Re: [MBZ] Klebmobile Alert!!

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Yeah, whatever he’s describing there just doesn’t add up.

-D

> On Jul 25, 2024, at 6:32 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> It jumped time when I saw it, so the valves would have to be bent. He 
> probably put it back together then discovered it won’t run because of bent 
> valves. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 25, 2024, at 8:25 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
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>> What? Too expensive for your tastes or he wouldn’t deal? I’m not sure I 
>> understand the description - he’s done the cams but not set the timing? How 
>> does that work??
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2024, at 6:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
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>>> Yea I bought a parts car off this guy. I have seen this car and it’s a 
>>> $1200 car.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>> On Jul 25, 2024, at 8:10 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
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>>>> https://www.benzworld.org/posts/18793961/
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Re: [MBZ] Klebmobile Alert!!

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What? Too expensive for your tastes or he wouldn’t deal? I’m not sure I 
understand the description - he’s done the cams but not set the timing? How 
does that work??

-D

> On Jul 25, 2024, at 6:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Yea I bought a parts car off this guy. I have seen this car and it’s a $1200 
> car. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 25, 2024, at 8:10 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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>> https://www.benzworld.org/posts/18793961/
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[MBZ] Klebmobile Alert!!

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https://www.benzworld.org/posts/18793961/

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Re: [MBZ] Pretty 1989 Jaguar XJS on BAT

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This system came out while I was in trade school. Not much had trickled down to 
us about it, as it wa just ocming out in new cars, but we got some examples 
loaned to us from the GM regional office.

It was amazing for the time, but all we could think about when we saw it was to 
wonder how easily it could be adapted/retrofitted to a carbureted engine.

Kind of like HEI ignition systems, but those were a far better idea and better 
executed, too.

-D

> On Jul 25, 2024, at 5:21 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
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> https://youtu.be/5QbP5YwGsT4?si=atr_5ykLysWnaSAF
> In case it doesn't jump to the right place you want to be at 15:31 when he 
> removes the air cleaner.
> Curt
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> Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer 
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>  On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 5:26 PM, Craig wrote:   On 
> Thu, 25 Jul 2024 14:21:18 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> IIRC '89 would already have the Terminator broccoli injection system.
>> While not super efficient it was pretty reliable... Curt
> 
> "Terminator broccoli injection system"?!
> 
> What in the world is that?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Nicely sorted Heckflosse on BAT

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You know I did. All it needed was a Helicoil in one cylinder and it was a solid 
example. I think I’m more disappointed in what happened to it than not getting 
it.

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> On Jul 25, 2024, at 3:34 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Oh you wanted that Knutsack car?
> 
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>> On Jul 25, 2024, at 5:27 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
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>> Always wanted a 230, never could find a decent one. The one W110 I searched 
>> for years for and never found. Except for the one that OkieBoy stole out 
>> from under me from Knutsack.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
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>>> 14 minutes left…..at $7,100….
>>> 
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>>>>> On Jul 25, 2024, at 12:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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Re: [MBZ] Nicely sorted Heckflosse on BAT

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Always wanted a 230, never could find a decent one. The one W110 I searched for 
years for and never found. Except for the one that OkieBoy stole out from under 
me from Knutsack.

-D

> On Jul 25, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
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> 14 minutes left…..at $7,100….
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 25, 2024, at 12:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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Re: [MBZ] 1979 240E - 125k miles - $11,900

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Gray market car. Manual climate controls and dash vents are both Euro items. 
Never seen a clock in the center like that, however.

-D



> On Jul 25, 2024, at 11:28 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> Very rare with but does it have the Zundfolge engine?
> 
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 12:44 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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>> I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 240 gasser
>> 
>> --FT
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>>> On Jul 25, 2024, at 11:04 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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>>> AC does not work. Wrong steering wheel.
>>> 
>>> Crazy price.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Classic

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Is there a “Best of Facebook” like there is on Craigslist?

-D

> On Jul 24, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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Re: [MBZ] Pretty 1989 Jaguar XJS on BAT

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Good point, Mitch. It’s probably been that way for the last couple of decades, 
I’m thinking. I’ve heard the term “LS swap” a lot of times in the past, but 
since this is not something I would ever do, being a purist, I’ve never paid 
that much attention to it.

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> On Jul 24, 2024, at 2:52 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
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> 
> Holy cow, look at what a lowly Ace sells for.
> I'm thinking that if Carrol Shelby never stuck a Ford V8 in an Ace and called 
> it a Cobra, these things would not go for six digits.
> Same goes for Alpines. If not for the Tigers, Alpines would probably sell 
> like MGBs.
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1958-ac-ace-2/
> 
> And Craig, nobody puts a SBC in anything anymore.
> The phrase of the century is "LS Swap It"
> http://jaguarspecialties.com/XJ6C-P1.asp
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Re: [MBZ] SBCs

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I was thinking the same - there’s got to be hundreds of builders out there 
offering SBC 350 crate engines for all sorts of applications. Dropping a 350 
SBC in a Jag was a pretty common thing back in the day. I never did it, but I 
saw cars it had been done on to varying degrees of success. I even recall a 
machinist havig quite the sideline making bell housing adapter plates for them.

-D

> On Jul 24, 2024, at 2:06 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> 
> Well you could pull one in a junkyard for probably a coupla-few $100 and hope 
> it runs ok. Maybe build it up for more power. Or buy a crate engine for $ks 
> that is guaranteed to run and put out whatever power you want to pay for
> 
> --FT
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>> On Jul 24, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:24:35 -0400 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> What an anemic engine. No wonder SBC swaps are common in these cars.
>>> You could easily get twice the power and torque out of a SBC.
>> 
>> Where does one get a small block chevy engine?
>> 
>> How much should one expect to pay?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Pretty 1989 Jaguar XJS on BAT

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If it’s pre-Ford acquisition, and I think it is, run away.

-D

> On Jul 24, 2024, at 9:59 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> Had had thousands of $$ in repairs in recent years.  Presents well but the
> BAT crowd is anything but enthusiastic.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] A GL

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If it’s not something new/late model, you just have to do your due diligence 
(research, talk to others, look at ones for sale even if you’re not interested 
in that particular car) so you’re as well-informed as possible. Provenance 
plays big in the process, too, I believe.

It’s a used car. There will always be “clunkers” no matter how good a job you 
do with your part.

That said, by doing the work up front, you tip the scales in your favor. But 
that’s not absolute, either. Stuff happens, and when/if it does, you just have 
to assess the situation as best as possible and make hard decisions, if 
necessary.

-D

> On Jul 23, 2024, at 5:30 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
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> 
> There's nothing wrong with paying top dollar for something that proves
> out to be what you were hoping it to be.
> 
> Or you can pay plenty for something that is not, like our X5.  Worst.  Car.
> Value.  Ever.  But how do you know, going in?
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Re: [MBZ] A GL

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Too many issues for a later model car that you’ll have limited ability to 
resolve on your own. That is, I suspect there are things wrong with this that 
will require a competent indy or the stealer to sort out. I’m always leery of 
“mechanic’s specials” as they typically have things wrong with them that your 
average mechanic doesn’t want to touch or it would be too expensive to resolve. 
Electrical gremlins fall into this category, making any work often charged at 
time and materials - you can’t flat rate electrical troubleshooting.

I’m sure you’re feeling pressured to find something, but take your time, the 
right car will show up.

-D

> On Jul 23, 2024, at 12:58 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> That’s a $4k car max with whatever issues it has, esp if he doesn’t actually 
> know what they are. Will be interesting to see what codes it’s throwing as 
> things can add up real fast on those vehicles. Don’t even think about paying 
> someone else to work on it. 
> 
> As far as the airmatic goes it’s fairly simple. Air pump is no big deal, it’s 
> a bit of a pain to get at but not hard.
> 
> --FT
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>> On Jul 23, 2024, at 1:13 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1185911826054141/
>> 
>> Is this late enough to be rid of the timing chain issues Kaleb spoke of?
>> Seller told me it throws many codes, I can scan it when I look at it and 
>> that the “bags have been replaced but I think the compressor need to be 
>> looked at”.
>> But….it’s silver. Ugh.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Drunk posting -- 1958 Mercedes-Benz 300 se,$20,000

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Some serious substance abuse there, too, based on the ask.

-D

> On Jul 22, 2024, at 3:05 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> "Patinated" for sure
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1343625732975497
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Re: [MBZ] LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO TAKE OVER PAYMENTS 2014 Mercedes-Benz gl-class GL 350 BlueTEC 4MATIC Sport Utility 4D, $3, 000

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It must be someone in the depths of desperation to try and reassign a loan on a 
car like this.

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> On Jul 22, 2024, at 2:14 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> Unlike the seller
> 
> MUST PUT 3000 upfront 627 a month MUST BE RESPONSIBLE!
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3603918723158263
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Re: [MBZ] sitting in the barn for years has not been started in about 4 years 1971 Mercedes-Benz 280SE, $8, 875

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Show up with $5k of dead presidents in hand and I’ll bet they’ll talk.

Being a fuel injected model, you couldn’t ask for more. This is a pretty 
bulletproof setup once running, but if there are injection system issues it’s 
going to cost some $$ to get it running again.

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> On Jul 22, 2024, at 2:09 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> Crappy pics but looks decent as best can be seen. Price high for a non-runner
> 
> with very little effort can be show quality
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/986717083147059/
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Re: [MBZ] 2003 SL500 - 78k miles - $12,000

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Didn’t these have ABC also?

-D

> On Jul 21, 2024, at 7:54 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> Price seems very high
> 
> --FT
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>> On Jul 21, 2024, at 10:43 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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>> No details, no pics with the top down and really none of the interior.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT sitting for about 35 years found hidden in a garage 1959 Jaguar mark 9, $4, 500

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Actually, like older MBs, there are still a lot of parts being made, albeit 
reproductions.

I have always been an electrical guy, so the electrical systems weren’t that 
daunting to me, at least they never seemed to be. That, and when I went through 
a car all of the connections would get checked and cleaned/replaced whatever, 
to ensure their (future) integrity.

Yes, there were electrical connections and cables in places you would never 
think of putting them on a car, especially with engineers who lived in a 
climate like the British Isles. For those there was grease, lots of grease. 
Messy, for sure, but it could do a heck of a job keeping fasteners and 
terminals dry and corrosion-free for the most part.

That said, when I wrenched for a living, even in that short time, I fixed stuff 
as if I would be the next person to see it.

50s and 60s Jags were a hoot to drive when set up and running properly, and 
could easily blow a lot of Detroit muscle car iron off the road when the 
opportunity presented itself (complete hearsay, of course!)

My absolute favourite was the XJ140, a coupe that had the same 3.8l engine as I 
recall. That thing could outrun a well-equipped police car of the day easily. 
People would be next to you at a light in their Cutlass or big Detroit iron 
looking at the “cute little foreign car” and a few seconds later they would be 
in your dust.

Fun cars, but sometimes maddening. I think the one engineering thing I hated 
the most was a right angle cable drive that was used to run both the speedo and 
tach (they each had their own cable and both used the stupid 90 degree gear 
drive thingy.) I don’t think I ever drove a vintage Jag in which both the 
speedo and tach worked at the same time.

-D

> On Jul 21, 2024, at 3:42 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Given the interest in these things from collectors and restorers I would 
> think that the Brits might have modern repro parts and wiring harnesses and 
> such for them.  Might not be cheap, but if available...  You can basically 
> build a E-type from aftermarket parts so there is a whole industry out there 
> on that.
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 7/21/24 6:02 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>> Lucas "The Prince of Darkness" electrical system... The engines are stout..
>> the electrical systems will drive you to suicidal insanity.. in that era,
>> the wire harnass is almost all braided cotton wrapped wires with connectors
>> that don't connect, but corrode.
>> At this point, replacement parts are decades of "out of production" so
>> ownership is not recommended for the faint of spirit, or the faint of
>> wallet.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 2:21 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Looks complete and not too bad for the age and history.  Could be a
>>> rolling resto.  I think those engines were quite stout, I wonder if it
>>> could be brought back to life.  Cool car
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1540120049925888/
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT sitting for about 35 years found hidden in a garage 1959 Jaguar mark 9, $4, 500

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It’s got the 3.8l OHC inline six, which was actually a pretty robust engine. 
I’ve rebuilt several of these (engines) and if you take the supporting systems 
that go with them (especially electrical!) out of the equation they are good 
engines.

The Mark 9 was sort of a LWB version of smaller models as I recall. Never seen 
one in the flesh, but I’ve seen and worked on a lot of its smaller cousins.

-D

> On Jul 21, 2024, at 2:20 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> 
> Looks complete and not too bad for the age and history.  Could be a rolling 
> resto.  I think those engines were quite stout, I wonder if it could be 
> brought back to life.  Cool car
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1540120049925888/
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Re: [MBZ] Car does not go into gear, 2007 Mercedes-Benz gl-class GL 450 Sport Utility 4D, $1, 000

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Floyd knows better than I, but I believe it’s longer so it can offer third row 
seating. The ML (W164) never had it, but the earlier W163 did have an option 
for it. That said, like a lot of optional third row seating, it was pretty 
worthless unless you were using it for kids.

-D

> On Jul 21, 2024, at 11:48 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> Remind me what is the difference between GL and ml class?
> 
> On Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 1:12 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I need to get my shop built and start buying these things and fixing
>> conductor plates and flipping them. This one has highish miles at 215k
>> but looks pretty good.
>> 
>> Too many issues for us to keep getting fixed.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mexican Crack Hits Hard

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Maybe it’s pesos? Or Fentanyl? (sorry!)

-D

> On Jul 21, 2024, at 8:38 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
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> 
> That 0.5L engine sure looks bigger in the picture (that's what she said).
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Project car or crusher snack?

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Solid restoration candidate for someone with very deep pockets. The comment 
about $12k for rechroming is pretty much spot-on.

-D

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Re: [MBZ] Nice Heckflosse on BAT

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I love this and pretty much all the single-stage paints they used back in the 
day. This stuff can almost be down to the metal and you can still get a good 
shine out of it. Very thick, lots of pigment, very forgiving.

AC was a dealer add-on for most of the pre-W108/114 models as I recall. I’ve 
installed the aftermarket (Behr) AC on these and it’s actully pretty easy to 
do, moreso now with the ability to use more efficient compressors (Sanden) and 
better hose (barrier) material than was avaialble at the time. It does a pretty 
good job if it’s set up properly. I’ve had both W108s and W114s with factory 
(R12) AC, and neither was great. The W108 was pretty ineffective in the Florida 
climate, but the W114 was a coupe and a bit smaller in interior volume, so it 
had that going for it.

Love the beige. The light gray right after that, and both dark and China blue.

-D

> On Jul 20, 2024, at 11:54 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't know about automotive paint in the 1960s but maybe beige was one of 
> the colors that was good. Fade resistant (or at least you don't notice it as 
> much), easier or cheaper to make for some reason? Also most cars didn't have 
> AC so light colors were a bit cooler in the sun.
> 
> My Dad's 1966 Rambler was that same beige color.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024, at 11:00, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Why did everybody and their cousin own beige back then?  Three out of four
>> of my 60s benzes were beige, because that was what I could afford...
>> 
>> -MMM-
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 10:44 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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>> 
>>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-mercedes-benz-230s-sedan/
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Re: [MBZ] 335SD.......??

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East Bay mainiac.

-D

> On Jul 20, 2024, at 2:56 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
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> Not sure what to think
> 
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/d/vallejo-1971-mercedes-benz-280se-with/7764838892.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Nice Heckflosse on BAT

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Same reason our kitchens were equipped with coppertone, avacado or some other 
color of the time.

-D

> On Jul 20, 2024, at 8:00 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Why did everybody and their cousin own beige back then?  Three out of four
> of my 60s benzes were beige, because that was what I could afford...
> 
> -MMM-
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] CrowdStrike

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Be sure you get credited for the interest if they don’t post the deposit until 
Monday…

-D

> On Jul 19, 2024, at 4:27 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I just tried to long into my Merrill lynch app to check on my funds transfer 
> and it says everything is unavailable. Oops. I guess they got royally 
> buggered too. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 7:07 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> CrowdStrike’s client that resides on the endpoints is operating at the 
>> kernel level, meaning it’s got the “keys to the castle” so it can bork bad 
>> stuff however necessary when it shows up. That weakness is pretty clear when 
>> you have a situation like this. Methinks someone screwed up and released the 
>> wrong update. No way something like this could get through the vetting 
>> process otherwise.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 3:58 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I read the procedure this morning. Boot up windows in safe mode, find some 
>>> specific crowdstrike config file and delete it, then the machine should 
>>> boot up normally and something else magic happens with a new file to get it 
>>> all happy again.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iFōn
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 2:31 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> That’s why I’m almost positive it’s something configuration related, 
>>>> rather than something to do with signatures or Bad Actor stuff.
>>>> 
>>>> Once I know more I’ll report back.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 11:27 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Its also Windows only.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Curt
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Friday, July 19, 2024 at 02:15:10 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would add that because this appears to be linked to CrowdStrike and its 
>>>>> products, companies that don’t use it aren’t affected, which is why there 
>>>>> is a hodgepodge of companies that are and others that are not.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I definitely would not want to be one of CrowdStrike’s PR people right 
>>>>> now - or their CEO.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -D
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 10:43 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> All of our systems our dealers use have been done all day due to a 
>>>>>> CrowdStrike outage. The airlines were heavily affected. I’m flying as we 
>>>>>> speak just so far everything has been on time.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] CrowdStrike

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CrowdStrike’s client that resides on the endpoints is operating at the kernel 
level, meaning it’s got the “keys to the castle” so it can bork bad stuff 
however necessary when it shows up. That weakness is pretty clear when you have 
a situation like this. Methinks someone screwed up and released the wrong 
update. No way something like this could get through the vetting process 
otherwise.

-D

> On Jul 19, 2024, at 3:58 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I read the procedure this morning. Boot up windows in safe mode, find some 
> specific crowdstrike config file and delete it, then the machine should boot 
> up normally and something else magic happens with a new file to get it all 
> happy again. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 2:31 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> That’s why I’m almost positive it’s something configuration related, rather 
>> than something to do with signatures or Bad Actor stuff.
>> 
>> Once I know more I’ll report back.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 11:27 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Its also Windows only.
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Friday, July 19, 2024 at 02:15:10 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I would add that because this appears to be linked to CrowdStrike and its 
>>> products, companies that don’t use it aren’t affected, which is why there 
>>> is a hodgepodge of companies that are and others that are not.
>>> 
>>> I definitely would not want to be one of CrowdStrike’s PR people right now 
>>> - or their CEO.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 10:43 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> All of our systems our dealers use have been done all day due to a 
>>>> CrowdStrike outage. The airlines were heavily affected. I’m flying as we 
>>>> speak just so far everything has been on time.
>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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That’s probably more physiological than age-related.

I don’t have a problem with motivation, I can get sidetracked, and that causes 
more delays than anything else.

-D

> On Jul 19, 2024, at 2:32 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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> 
> On 19/07/2024 4:01 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> Just had a conversation last night over beers about the laziness and 
>> apparent lack of motivation in today's young generations. Definitely an old 
>> man topic. LOL.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
> I am more concerned about my own laziness and lack of motivation than I am in 
> that of the young folks. I find it difficult to motivate myself to do things 
> after our evening meal. I used to accomplish stuff after supper but not so 
> much any more.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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Send all the aging members out to the Back40?

Like the Inuit who put them on an ice floe and let them drift off?

-D

> On Jul 19, 2024, at 12:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Hahahaha. I think that should be my next business venture.
> 
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>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 2:32 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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>> I already have a  life.  It's called Okiebenz Senior Living.
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 3:22 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You need to get a life, buddy.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 12:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I will be up all night tossing and turning.
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 3:09 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I’ll know in the morning.
>>>>> 
>>>>> AZBob
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 11:27 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2024, at 13:32, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>>> Interesting color, not quite china blue.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Phoenix sun bleaching?
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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You need to get a life, buddy.



-D

> On Jul 19, 2024, at 12:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I will be up all night tossing and turning.
> 
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 3:09 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I’ll know in the morning.
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 11:27 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2024, at 13:32, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
 Interesting color, not quite china blue.
>>> 
>>> Phoenix sun bleaching?
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Re: [MBZ] CrowdStrike

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

That’s why I’m almost positive it’s something configuration related, rather 
than something to do with signatures or Bad Actor stuff.

Once I know more I’ll report back.

-D

> On Jul 19, 2024, at 11:27 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Its also Windows only.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Friday, July 19, 2024 at 02:15:10 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I would add that because this appears to be linked to CrowdStrike and its 
> products, companies that don’t use it aren’t affected, which is why there is 
> a hodgepodge of companies that are and others that are not.
> 
> I definitely would not want to be one of CrowdStrike’s PR people right now - 
> or their CEO.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 10:43 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> All of our systems our dealers use have been done all day due to a 
>> CrowdStrike outage. The airlines were heavily affected. I’m flying as we 
>> speak just so far everything has been on time. 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] CrowdStrike

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

That’s the beauty of running VMs for customer-facing applications like yours 
that’s used for training. Spin up new ones each time, tear them down when 
you’re done. Rinse, lather, repeat.

One bad thing for CrowdStrike out of this besides the obvious - now people know 
what these companies are using to secure their endpoints. This is not something 
most customers want to publicize, as it makes the Bad Guys’ job a little easier 
when they know what they’re up against.

-D

> On Jul 19, 2024, at 11:14 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> I run 3 VM machines for every student for every class. This week there are 5 
> students plus me, so 18 VMs. We're required to have Crowdstrike on everything 
> bt I built the template that these VMs copy from all the way back in 2021 
> using an old version of Crowdstrike which apparently can't update itself.
> 
> Guess whos VMs are up and working right now so students can take their exam? 
> Laziness (and failure to update) for the win...
> Yeah they're more likely to get compromised but they'll automatically be 
> deleted at the end of the day today anyway.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> On Friday, July 19, 2024 at 02:10:35 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> My former employer uses CrowdStrike. It’s a wonderful product and does a lot 
> of really geat things from a security standpoint. That said, it’s also 
> heavily embedded in the endpoints, so if something goes south, well, I guess 
> today is a good example.
> 
> As I understand it, there was an update or patch that borked everything. It’s 
> got to be fixed from the command line, meaning that you can't just push out a 
> fix and hope it works.
> 
> Back in the day when I did desktop support we referred to this process as 
> “sneakernet.” In otherwords, having to walk around and “touch” every last 
> machine.
> 
> I’ve had a few exchanges with the Crowdstrike admin at my former place, and 
> needless to say, he’s cancelled all of his weekend plans.
> 
> Wow, I do not miss this. At all.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 10:43 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> All of our systems our dealers use have been done all day due to a 
>> CrowdStrike outage. The airlines were heavily affected. I’m flying as we 
>> speak just so far everything has been on time. 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] CrowdStrike

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Correct. CrowdStrike updates continuously, that is, it constantly “watches” the 
environment, and when it sees a machine that isn’t up to date, it immediately 
pushes a patch/update. However, if the client that resides on the machine is 
borked, it’s got to be fixed manually, that is, by someone logging into the 
machine with admin rights and running commands directly from the C:\ prompt.

You can automate jobs like this, but it can be tricky in a large environment 
because of all the variables involved with different configurations.

Also understand that CrowdStrike isn’t just on endpoints/PCs, it’s also used on 
production servers. That is a whole ’nother bag of hurt to have to patch. Very 
difficult to do automagically, so I’m suspecting that those will all have to be 
done manually. In my former environment there were over 600 servers/virtual 
machines in production. Do the math.

Gonna be a long weekend for a lot of people.

-D

> On Jul 19, 2024, at 11:12 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> From our side supposedly there is some sort of manual fix that has to be 
> implemented. Not really sure but our stuff is starting to come back up now. 
> At least partially. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 1:10 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> My former employer uses CrowdStrike. It’s a wonderful product and does a 
>> lot of really geat things from a security standpoint. That said, it’s also 
>> heavily embedded in the endpoints, so if something goes south, well, I guess 
>> today is a good example.
>> 
>> As I understand it, there was an update or patch that borked everything. 
>> It’s got to be fixed from the command line, meaning that you can't just push 
>> out a fix and hope it works.
>> 
>> Back in the day when I did desktop support we referred to this process as 
>> “sneakernet.” In otherwords, having to walk around and “touch” every last 
>> machine.
>> 
>> I’ve had a few exchanges with the Crowdstrike admin at my former place, and 
>> needless to say, he’s cancelled all of his weekend plans.
>> 
>> Wow, I do not miss this. At all.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 10:43 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> All of our systems our dealers use have been done all day due to a 
>>> CrowdStrike outage. The airlines were heavily affected. I’m flying as we 
>>> speak just so far everything has been on time.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] CrowdStrike

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I would add that because this appears to be linked to CrowdStrike and its 
products, companies that don’t use it aren’t affected, which is why there is a 
hodgepodge of companies that are and others that are not.

I definitely would not want to be one of CrowdStrike’s PR people right now - or 
their CEO.

-D

> On Jul 19, 2024, at 10:43 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> All of our systems our dealers use have been done all day due to a 
> CrowdStrike outage. The airlines were heavily affected. I’m flying as we 
> speak just so far everything has been on time. 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] CrowdStrike

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My former employer uses CrowdStrike. It’s a wonderful product and does a lot of 
really geat things from a security standpoint. That said, it’s also heavily 
embedded in the endpoints, so if something goes south, well, I guess today is a 
good example.

As I understand it, there was an update or patch that borked everything. It’s 
got to be fixed from the command line, meaning that you can't just push out a 
fix and hope it works.

Back in the day when I did desktop support we referred to this process as 
“sneakernet.” In otherwords, having to walk around and “touch” every last 
machine.

I’ve had a few exchanges with the Crowdstrike admin at my former place, and 
needless to say, he’s cancelled all of his weekend plans.

Wow, I do not miss this. At all.

-D

> On Jul 19, 2024, at 10:43 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> All of our systems our dealers use have been done all day due to a 
> CrowdStrike outage. The airlines were heavily affected. I’m flying as we 
> speak just so far everything has been on time. 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

And it’s a late model, too! 1998!

-D

> On Jul 19, 2024, at 10:35 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It’s baby blue, not sure what the official color is called.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 12:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Interesting color, not quite china blue. Could be a respray or it could be 
>> just the camera...
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Friday, July 19, 2024 at 01:05:20 PM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I just randomly saw this:
>> 
>> https://offerup.co/ZmnJPlDBmLb
>> 
>> Have to go check that out I feel. Cannot believe the AC is cold.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] '08 ML550

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I wouldn't be too worried about it depending on where the CarFax reported the 
damage. If it was the rear hatch, it’s possible badging isn’t available 
anymore. Rear wiper can be bodged up by carwashes.

Don’t focus on the little stuff too much, look at it collectively as a part of 
the Big Picture. It’s a car that’s been on the road for 15-16 years. It’s not 
going to be perfect, no matter what. Your scan is probably the most important 
thing to consider initially if a good visual and road test don’t turn up 
anything concerning.

-D



On Jul 19, 2024, at 6:30 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
wrote:

<https://www.facebook.com/share/rSf3ZGikZ8uSNAv6/>
<451400091_494558106304634_3982411127182010827_n.jpg>
2008 Mercedes-Benz M-Class · ML 550 Sport Utility 
4D<https://www.facebook.com/share/rSf3ZGikZ8uSNAv6/>
facebook.com<https://www.facebook.com/share/rSf3ZGikZ8uSNAv6/>

Knowing that the Carfax reported minor damage, does anyone get nervous when 
they see a sagging rear wiper in a lack of badging? Or am I being a goofball?

I will probably go scan this today and look at the color in person.

AZBob
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On Jul 18, 2024, at 9:13 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Yes, your scanner will work just fine. Use the same procedure to fire it up as 
you did with your W163 and you’ll get the same results.

-D

On Jul 18, 2024, at 8:43 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
wrote:

Seller finally responded.
carfax reports minor damage in 2014 but it doesn’t show what area of the 
vehicle was effected. Otherwise it was purchased new in Beverly Hills and 
serviced there regularly until 2013, 55k miles, sold to someone in Bakersfield 
and was regularly serviced there until seller buying it in June (seller is a 
guy trying to be a small, independent dealer).
He said he’d bring it over to my side of town so I can see it. I just might 
take him up on it…unless the CarFax should make me nervous.

Also, could I scan it with this scanner I use on the W163?

AZBob

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On Jul 18, 2024, at 2:02 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote:

It’s a pump, a valve, a reservoir tank, and 2 struts in front and 2 bags in 
back. There’s a controller somewhere. The bags are relatively inexpensive, the 
struts more. The valve snd pump are cheap. Nothing particularly difficult to 
swap. I’m not sure why people get all bent about airmatic given the benefits 
esp in an SUV.  If you’re buying an expensive German vehicle thrr we n don’t be 
a cheapass about its primary features. Get a DAS system you can scan diagnose 
and test the system and you’re halfway there.

--FT
Sent from iFōn

On Jul 18, 2024, at 1:31 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Floyd has some insight into the pneumatic suspension, but I don’t think it’s 
problematic based on what I’ve heard/read. I believe it’s a system similar to 
what’s on the W220/211, but not sure as I’ve never owned a car with it. If so, 
these are pretty simple, the struts can be expensive to replace if they leak, 
which I don’t think is a common issue.

Good catch - I didn’t notice the debadging. You can buy the badging from MB all 
ready to stick on the car, if it’s still available.

-D

On Jul 18, 2024, at 10:21 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
wrote:

How problematic is the pneumatic suspension? Also, I wonder why the badging is 
removed? Do people think it makes it somehow look better?

AZBob

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On Jul 18, 2024, at 9:58 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Bob,

It’s not so much the ML550, but the W164. It’s a major improvement over the 
W163s, far more car-like while still retaining a lot of the truck qualities 
that made the W163 useful.

I’m not sure the smaller displacement W164s do much better economy-wise, so 
having the ML550 does provide some advantages when it comes to power and 
towing. Amazingly, my ML550 got better mileage while towing a UHaul car carrier 
with the CL600 on it than running empty. Go figure!

I love mine, despite the crappy mileage. If I’m just tooling around town I’ll 
be lucky to hit 16 mpg, but on the highway, depending on load, I’ll easily hit 
the mid and upper teens. I don’t drive that much anyway, so the difference 
doesn’t really matter a whole lot to me. It’s a far more comfortable ride, I 
think, far less truck-like than the W163, and has more creature comforts, too.

Mine is approaching 200k without any real issues to speak of. I bought it with 
175k on the clock two years ago for $6500, so the one you’ve posted isn’t far 
off based on price and mileage. Provenance is important on these, and while 
there’s no major issues with the W164s that I know of, good maintenance is 
always important. This one is really loaded up, with pneumatic suspension, 
Parktronic (which is pretty rare on these) as well as the rear seat 
entertainment system (DVD player.)

Nice example. I would definitely consider this one if I was looking for another 
W164.

-D

On Jul 18, 2024, at 9:28 AM, Bob

Re: [MBZ] '08 ML550

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Yes, your scanner will work just fine. Use the same procedure to fire it up as 
you did with your W163 and you’ll get the same results.

-D

> On Jul 18, 2024, at 8:43 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Seller finally responded.
> carfax reports minor damage in 2014 but it doesn’t show what area of the 
> vehicle was effected. Otherwise it was purchased new in Beverly Hills and 
> serviced there regularly until 2013, 55k miles, sold to someone in 
> Bakersfield and was regularly serviced there until seller buying it in June 
> (seller is a guy trying to be a small, independent dealer).
> He said he’d bring it over to my side of town so I can see it. I just might 
> take him up on it…unless the CarFax should make me nervous.
> 
> Also, could I scan it with this scanner I use on the W163?
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2024, at 2:02 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It’s a pump, a valve, a reservoir tank, and 2 struts in front and 2 bags in 
>> back. There’s a controller somewhere. The bags are relatively inexpensive, 
>> the struts more. The valve snd pump are cheap. Nothing particularly 
>> difficult to swap. I’m not sure why people get all bent about airmatic given 
>> the benefits esp in an SUV.  If you’re buying an expensive German vehicle 
>> thrr we n don’t be a cheapass about its primary features. Get a DAS system 
>> you can scan diagnose and test the system and you’re halfway there.
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
>>>> On Jul 18, 2024, at 1:31 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Floyd has some insight into the pneumatic suspension, but I don’t think 
>>> it’s problematic based on what I’ve heard/read. I believe it’s a system 
>>> similar to what’s on the W220/211, but not sure as I’ve never owned a car 
>>> with it. If so, these are pretty simple, the struts can be expensive to 
>>> replace if they leak, which I don’t think is a common issue.
>>> 
>>> Good catch - I didn’t notice the debadging. You can buy the badging from MB 
>>> all ready to stick on the car, if it’s still available.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 18, 2024, at 10:21 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> How problematic is the pneumatic suspension? Also, I wonder why the 
>>>> badging is removed? Do people think it makes it somehow look better?
>>>> 
>>>> AZBob
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 18, 2024, at 9:58 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bob,
>>>>> 
>>>>> It’s not so much the ML550, but the W164. It’s a major improvement over 
>>>>> the W163s, far more car-like while still retaining a lot of the truck 
>>>>> qualities that made the W163 useful.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’m not sure the smaller displacement W164s do much better economy-wise, 
>>>>> so having the ML550 does provide some advantages when it comes to power 
>>>>> and towing. Amazingly, my ML550 got better mileage while towing a UHaul 
>>>>> car carrier with the CL600 on it than running empty. Go figure!
>>>>> 
>>>>> I love mine, despite the crappy mileage. If I’m just tooling around town 
>>>>> I’ll be lucky to hit 16 mpg, but on the highway, depending on load, I’ll 
>>>>> easily hit the mid and upper teens. I don’t drive that much anyway, so 
>>>>> the difference doesn’t really matter a whole lot to me. It’s a far more 
>>>>> comfortable ride, I think, far less truck-like than the W163, and has 
>>>>> more creature comforts, too.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mine is approaching 200k without any real issues to speak of. I bought it 
>>>>> with 175k on the clock two years ago for $6500, so the one you’ve posted 
>>>>> isn’t far off based on price and mileage. Provenance is important on 
>>>>> these, and while there’s no major issues with the W164s that I know of, 
>>>>> good maintenance is always important. This one is really loaded up, with 
>>>>> pneumatic suspension, Parktronic (which is pretty rare on these) as well 
>>>>> as the rear seat entertainment system (DVD player.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nice example. I would definitely consider this one if I was looking for 
>>>>> another W164.
>>>>> 

Re: [MBZ] Git Ur Wallet Out, Boys

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I hadn’t gone through all of the pictures when I wrote this - even worse, with 
the dings on the trunk lid and my indicator for how well a car is cared for - 
the headlight wipers are wonky.

I’ve always felt that if someone took good care of a car like this, the 
headlight wipers would not be all out of whack. Whenever I see them like this, 
it tells me the owner isn’t that detail-oriented about maintaining the car.

-D

> On Jul 18, 2024, at 12:57 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> 
> Chrome fender arches, immediately takes it out of consideration. That and 
> it’s stupid overpriced. There’s a reason why it’s still available.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2024, at 12:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Not a very stimulating color combination.  My cabernet red W126 turbodiesel
>> gets my heart racing every time I go for a drive.
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 3:41 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Ooow that's a crap ton of shekels, but it's probably not out of line
>>> for the times in which we live.
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/share/Qr6c3LPR6QbZMfoP/
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Git Ur Wallet Out, Boys

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Chrome fender arches, immediately takes it out of consideration. That and it’s 
stupid overpriced. There’s a reason why it’s still available.

-D

> On Jul 18, 2024, at 12:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> Not a very stimulating color combination.  My cabernet red W126 turbodiesel
> gets my heart racing every time I go for a drive.
> 
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 3:41 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
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> 
>> Ooow that's a crap ton of shekels, but it's probably not out of line
>> for the times in which we live.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] '08 ML550

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Floyd has some insight into the pneumatic suspension, but I don’t think it’s 
problematic based on what I’ve heard/read. I believe it’s a system similar to 
what’s on the W220/211, but not sure as I’ve never owned a car with it. If so, 
these are pretty simple, the struts can be expensive to replace if they leak, 
which I don’t think is a common issue.

Good catch - I didn’t notice the debadging. You can buy the badging from MB all 
ready to stick on the car, if it’s still available.

-D

> On Jul 18, 2024, at 10:21 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> How problematic is the pneumatic suspension? Also, I wonder why the badging 
> is removed? Do people think it makes it somehow look better? 
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2024, at 9:58 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Bob,
>> 
>> It’s not so much the ML550, but the W164. It’s a major improvement over the 
>> W163s, far more car-like while still retaining a lot of the truck qualities 
>> that made the W163 useful.
>> 
>> I’m not sure the smaller displacement W164s do much better economy-wise, so 
>> having the ML550 does provide some advantages when it comes to power and 
>> towing. Amazingly, my ML550 got better mileage while towing a UHaul car 
>> carrier with the CL600 on it than running empty. Go figure!
>> 
>> I love mine, despite the crappy mileage. If I’m just tooling around town 
>> I’ll be lucky to hit 16 mpg, but on the highway, depending on load, I’ll 
>> easily hit the mid and upper teens. I don’t drive that much anyway, so the 
>> difference doesn’t really matter a whole lot to me. It’s a far more 
>> comfortable ride, I think, far less truck-like than the W163, and has more 
>> creature comforts, too.
>> 
>> Mine is approaching 200k without any real issues to speak of. I bought it 
>> with 175k on the clock two years ago for $6500, so the one you’ve posted 
>> isn’t far off based on price and mileage. Provenance is important on these, 
>> and while there’s no major issues with the W164s that I know of, good 
>> maintenance is always important. This one is really loaded up, with 
>> pneumatic suspension, Parktronic (which is pretty rare on these) as well as 
>> the rear seat entertainment system (DVD player.)
>> 
>> Nice example. I would definitely consider this one if I was looking for 
>> another W164.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 18, 2024, at 9:28 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Low miles. In spite of it being straight up realtor spec, I wonder what 
>>> comparable ones have been going for?
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/share/rSf3ZGikZ8uSNAv6/
>>> 
>>> Since it's still running just fine and my garage is 110 degress typically 
>>> during the day,  I am not enthused to do the CP on my ML. I did just 
>>> replace the driver's rear window regulator
>>> I think I want to move on from this W163 and maybe get something like this. 
>>> Many of you dig ML550s.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1957 180

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I always look for the heater boxes on either side of the engine compartment. 
They were made of heavy pressboard (cardboard) and by now have deteriorated to 
dust. one in this car that I can see, but the way in which they photographed 
the engine compartment makes me suspect.

As for “expertly restored,” I think not. Someone painted this their favorite 
color(s), none of which were standard MB colors available at the time. It’s a 
major bastardization in every way. I wonder what the undercarriage looks like.

This is one of those “restorations” that was done to suit the owner’s taste, 
not follow the original design. As a result, it’s a one-off car, making it near 
impossible to sell/market or recover costs.

Ouch.

-D

> On Jul 18, 2024, at 10:01 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Certainly not the steering wheel of an "Expertly restored" example...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, July 18, 2024 at 12:15:58 PM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I don't believe that is the interior of a $12K specimen.  Is that a legit 
> color combo?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1957 180

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Absolutely not. If someone could wake up Knutsack and have him look at it, I’m 
sure there would be a laundry list of things wrong about it.

-D

> On Jul 18, 2024, at 9:14 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I don't believe that is the interior of a $12K specimen.  Is that a legit 
> color combo?
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/share/RgtgyWFr32RZwbjP/
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Re: [MBZ] '08 ML550

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Bob,

It’s not so much the ML550, but the W164. It’s a major improvement over the 
W163s, far more car-like while still retaining a lot of the truck qualities 
that made the W163 useful.

I’m not sure the smaller displacement W164s do much better economy-wise, so 
having the ML550 does provide some advantages when it comes to power and 
towing. Amazingly, my ML550 got better mileage while towing a UHaul car carrier 
with the CL600 on it than running empty. Go figure!

I love mine, despite the crappy mileage. If I’m just tooling around town I’ll 
be lucky to hit 16 mpg, but on the highway, depending on load, I’ll easily hit 
the mid and upper teens. I don’t drive that much anyway, so the difference 
doesn’t really matter a whole lot to me. It’s a far more comfortable ride, I 
think, far less truck-like than the W163, and has more creature comforts, too.

Mine is approaching 200k without any real issues to speak of. I bought it with 
175k on the clock two years ago for $6500, so the one you’ve posted isn’t far 
off based on price and mileage. Provenance is important on these, and while 
there’s no major issues with the W164s that I know of, good maintenance is 
always important. This one is really loaded up, with pneumatic suspension, 
Parktronic (which is pretty rare on these) as well as the rear seat 
entertainment system (DVD player.)

Nice example. I would definitely consider this one if I was looking for another 
W164.

-D

> On Jul 18, 2024, at 9:28 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Low miles. In spite of it being straight up realtor spec, I wonder what 
> comparable ones have been going for?
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/share/rSf3ZGikZ8uSNAv6/
> 
> Since it's still running just fine and my garage is 110 degress typically 
> during the day,  I am not enthused to do the CP on my ML. I did just replace 
> the driver's rear window regulator
> I think I want to move on from this W163 and maybe get something like this. 
> Many of you dig ML550s.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 2022 Cadillac Escalade DIESEL

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I've purchased a number of new cars over the years, mainly for Mrs. Dan as 
that’s what she wanted, but I always paid cash for them. That ended when I got 
her out of a Mazda6 I bought new in 2006 that she drove into the ground, but we 
got pretty decent money for when she was done with it. After that she went into 
a Benz in the early 20-teens and has never looked back.

Can’t imagine driving a new nannymobile. Driving rental cars has become a 
challenge at times, with all the newfangled stuff. I don’t like most of it.

-D

> On Jul 17, 2024, at 12:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That whole concept is foreign to me.  The last new car I purchased was a
> 1976 Chevette ($3600).
> 
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 3:31 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Except the ones who are making monthly payments.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 17, 2024, at 12:26 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Chump change for most Escalade owners...
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 3:23 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> This is the 3.0 liter v6 diesel, not a v8.
>>>> 
>>>> I haven't heard anything about the Duramax v6 good, bad or indifferent.
>> I
>>>> have heard bad things about the RAM v6 diesels eating themselves. There
>> are
>>>> theories that the DPF regens too often and causes issues.
>>>> 
>>>> One thing I don't like is that the timing belt is on the back of the
>>>> engine under the bellhousing. So to replace the timing belt either the
>>>> engine or the transmission/transfer case has to come out. The Duramax
>>>> apologists tell you "Well, its only got to be done once every 120,000
>>>> miles" sure, great but its a major service for thousands of dollars
>>>> 
>>>> -Curt
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 11:15:15 AM EDT, Randy Bennell via
>> Mercedes
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 17/07/2024 9:48 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> wtf.
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2022-cadillac-escalade-5/
>>>>> ___
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>>>> Thinking about buying that, Andrew?
>>>> 
>>>> A friend has a Tahoe with the diesel. They have pulled a travel trailer
>>>> all over the USA with it in the past couple of years.
>>>> 
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>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 2022 Cadillac Escalade DIESEL

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Except the ones who are making monthly payments.

-D

> On Jul 17, 2024, at 12:26 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> Chump change for most Escalade owners...
> 
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 3:23 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> This is the 3.0 liter v6 diesel, not a v8.
>> 
>> I haven't heard anything about the Duramax v6 good, bad or indifferent. I
>> have heard bad things about the RAM v6 diesels eating themselves. There are
>> theories that the DPF regens too often and causes issues.
>> 
>> One thing I don't like is that the timing belt is on the back of the
>> engine under the bellhousing. So to replace the timing belt either the
>> engine or the transmission/transfer case has to come out. The Duramax
>> apologists tell you "Well, its only got to be done once every 120,000
>> miles" sure, great but its a major service for thousands of dollars
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 11:15:15 AM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 17/07/2024 9:48 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> wtf.
>>> 
>>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2022-cadillac-escalade-5/
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>> Thinking about buying that, Andrew?
>> 
>> A friend has a Tahoe with the diesel. They have pulled a travel trailer
>> all over the USA with it in the past couple of years.
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] It has midwest rust, but nothing significant - 2008 Thomas School Bus - $7, 500

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The giveaway here is the location - Ft. Wayne, IN. Major league rust belt 
location. Floyd can attest to this. There will be surface rust on everything, 
likely more/worse the deeper you go.

You can get good “skoolie” busses all over the place from government auctions.

-D

> On Jul 16, 2024, at 2:58 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> Your definition of "significant" may vary
> 
> https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/d/fort-wayne-2008-thomas-school-bus/7766763134.html
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Re: [MBZ] begje interior

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As maternal grandmother always said, “Everything always works out for the 
best.” Haven’t proven her wrong yet.

-D

> On Jul 16, 2024, at 12:51 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> And this is now officially off my radar. 
> Seller boy messaged again saying he can’t meet today after all so I told him 
> thanks but no thanks. 
> 
> Back to dealing with the W163 ML (rear window regulator, CP) in the 110 
> degree garage. 
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2024, at 11:13 AM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes. Exactly.
>> I just got a message from him saying I can come and scan it at 4pm. I 
>> suppose I will.
>> You both are right about me not having ample room to mess with it and not 
>> wanting a project.
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 16, 2024, at 10:53 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes scan it and see what’s up. Google what comes up and see what is 
>>> involved. If something complicated I would walk. You probably don’t want to 
>>> take on a complicated project.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 16, 2024, at 12:51 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve done it, but considering that this is nothing more than a flip for 
>>>> the guy and he has no interest in the vehicle itself, you’re essentially 
>>>> assuming the risk he took when he bought it at auction. If it was a 
>>>> private seller/owner I would have a different attitude as you could at 
>>>> least get some history out of them, but in this case that’s a big black 
>>>> hole and isn’t going to change unless you get a VMI.
>>>> 
>>>> If you were Floyd with a vast estate and cars to scavenge parts off of as 
>>>> well as resources for reprogramming ECUs, I could totally see it. But in 
>>>> your case I think it’s a bad idea. I would feel the same way if it were 
>>>> me, even knowing what we do about it at this point. Unless I was hell bent 
>>>> on having one of these, I would move on. There will always be more.
>>>> 
>>>> Worst case, check it out, scan it, (don’t share the results with the 
>>>> seller, he doesn’t deserve or need thte information) and report back to 
>>>> see if it’s repairable. Then you’ve got to make a quick decision as to 
>>>> whether or not you want to assume the risk.
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve walked away from plenty of deals like this and never felt bad about 
>>>> one yet.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2024, at 9:40 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> If and when I hear back from him, I will do a scan and see what it turns 
>>>>> up. My interest in it is waning I'm afraid.
>>>>> 
>>>>> AZBob
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Buggered 
>>>>> Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2024 10:11 PM
>>>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>>>> Cc: Buggered Benzmail 
>>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] begje interior
>>>>> 
>>>>> In perfect shape it might be a $5k vehicle but $4500 might be more 
>>>>> realistic. It’s 16yr old but maybe the diesel adds a bit of value.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Add up all what might be needed (CP swap figure $1k easy to get a “new” 
>>>>> one for $400, maybe $400 for programming, and $200 for fluid/filter, you 
>>>>> do the work not paying someone to do it) and back out from say $5k and 
>>>>> there’s your number. The CP might be ok though, you’ll have to see the 
>>>>> scan.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --FT
>>>>> Sent from iFōn
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2024, at 1:01 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Let’s see…..Johnny Italiano bought it for $5000 at the auction and when 
>>>>>> he went to drive it home he learned it was in limp mode. He has it 
>>>>>> priced at $4000, and told me that he’s prepared to lose his shirt. It 
>>>>>> for certain needs the conductor plate, a windshield, and tires soon.
>>>>>> I think $1500 might pis

Re: [MBZ] I will not respond to texts - 2005 Chrysler Crossfire - $9, 600

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They look like a modern Karmann Ghia. A stance like a bullfrog.

-D

> On Jul 16, 2024, at 12:04 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I agree especially with the top up it looks very strange. Not too bad with 
> the top down.
> 
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2024, at 13:40, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> The proportions are way off.
>> 
>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 12:33 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Those things are basically SLKs with cheaper components
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>> On 7/16/24 12:13 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
 I have never liked the look of the Crossfire. It might be the wheels.
 They look too big and I guess they are aluminum, but from a distance
 they look like they are white.
 A fellow who works in my building (I wish I owned the building, but
 alas, NO) has one and likes it. His car is black, and not the
 convertible.
 
 Randy
 
 On 16/07/2024 10:49 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> Might be in nice shape, but price seems beyond realistic. Very low
> miles if not a typo (probalby 89k is my guess).
> 
> 
>>> https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/louisville-2005-chrysler-crossfire/7766641731.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT speaking of trains Massive Vintage Lionel O Gauge Train Collection,$3,800 ·

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Don’t know about that.

The old couple down the street from me who have two whole rooms in their home 
literally full of Lionel stuff, most of is still boxed with with all the boxes 
and packing materials can’t give the stuff away. MMM says they’re asking train 
show prices, too, which also may contribute to to the problem.

Part of the problem is their unwillingness to ship anything, however, this is a 
perfect example of Baby Boomers and their interests and how not a whole lot of 
younger people care about this stuff.

-D

> On Jul 16, 2024, at 10:55 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> Whole lot of drooling going on across FB Marketplace land.
> 
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>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/428941516745494
>> 
>> --
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Re: [MBZ] Amazing Mercedes Wagon

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These are wonderful cars, and have the reliability of a Corolla. I wonder how 
many miles it has.

My former 1999 E320 wagon had almost 230k on the clock before it went to 
CoPart. It was perfectly drivable and would easily make 300k given the chance, 
I believe.

I paid $3300 for it in 2017 with 175k on the clock. One owner, dealer 
maintained. Insurance company totaled it out for $5300 in March. I think I may 
have made money on this deal.

-D

> On Jul 16, 2024, at 10:42 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Could be a good hauler and beater, the wagons are very useful.  Price is not 
> crazy if it all works
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 7/16/24 12:47 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>> This is in stock
>> Notoriously reliable drivetrain
>> Freezing AC
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/share/dqAGJ66PE6uVforE/
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Logo, Anyone?

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Looks like corporate signage. If it was, it’s supposed to be destroyed when 
taken out of service.

-D

> On Jul 16, 2024, at 9:44 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Interesting measurement for something circular:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/share/pUM3j7Jwk1GMSeyn/
> 
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Re: [MBZ] begje interior

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I’ve done it, but considering that this is nothing more than a flip for the guy 
and he has no interest in the vehicle itself, you’re essentially assuming the 
risk he took when he bought it at auction. If it was a private seller/owner I 
would have a different attitude as you could at least get some history out of 
them, but in this case that’s a big black hole and isn’t going to change unless 
you get a VMI.

If you were Floyd with a vast estate and cars to scavenge parts off of as well 
as resources for reprogramming ECUs, I could totally see it. But in your case I 
think it’s a bad idea. I would feel the same way if it were me, even knowing 
what we do about it at this point. Unless I was hell bent on having one of 
these, I would move on. There will always be more.

Worst case, check it out, scan it, (don’t share the results with the seller, he 
doesn’t deserve or need thte information) and report back to see if it’s 
repairable. Then you’ve got to make a quick decision as to whether or not you 
want to assume the risk.

I’ve walked away from plenty of deals like this and never felt bad about one 
yet.

-D


> On Jul 16, 2024, at 9:40 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> If and when I hear back from him, I will do a scan and see what it turns up. 
> My interest in it is waning I'm afraid.
> 
> AZBob
> 
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Buggered Benzmail 
> via Mercedes 
> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2024 10:11 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Buggered Benzmail 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] begje interior
> 
> In perfect shape it might be a $5k vehicle but $4500 might be more realistic. 
> It’s 16yr old but maybe the diesel adds a bit of value.
> 
> Add up all what might be needed (CP swap figure $1k easy to get a “new” one 
> for $400, maybe $400 for programming, and $200 for fluid/filter, you do the 
> work not paying someone to do it) and back out from say $5k and there’s your 
> number. The CP might be ok though, you’ll have to see the scan.
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2024, at 1:01 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Let’s see…..Johnny Italiano bought it for $5000 at the auction and when he 
>> went to drive it home he learned it was in limp mode. He has it priced at 
>> $4000, and told me that he’s prepared to lose his shirt. It for certain 
>> needs the conductor plate, a windshield, and tires soon.
>> I think $1500 might piss him off, but I don’t know his definition of “loose 
>> mya shirt” is.
>> 
>> $416 for a windshield from SafeLight btw.
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 15, 2024, at 9:50 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes 722.9. The CP in a 722.9 is coded to the car. You can get a good used 
>>> (or something) refurb for $400 or pull one at a junkyard (that might not be 
>>> good) for not much and then clone it from the old one. That will cost 
>>> something unless you “know a guy.”  A 722.6 CP is maybe $60 and not coded, 
>>> neither is the control module.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iFōn
>>> 
> On Jul 16, 2024, at 12:34 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 A 722.9 conductor plate job looks more involved and more costly than a 
 722.6 job.
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Jul 15, 2024, at 8:58 PM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:
> 
> A 2008 ML320 CDI 4Matic has a 722.9 transmission, yes?
> Those conductor plates seem to be considerably more expensive than a 
> 722.6.
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>>> On Jul 15, 2024, at 7:16 PM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh for sure.
>> He couldn’t even describe it. I’m pretty sure that’s what he was 
>> describing in his broken English. He’s a 22 year old kid fresh from 
>> Italy.
>> 
>> I guess I’ll take 20 pictures of Mr. Franklin and my scanner and start 
>> at $1500 (depending on the codes of course) because he kept repeating 
>> how he paid $5k for it at the auction and he’s gonna “loose hez shirt” 
>> on “dis dizzle”
>> I think it can be cleaned up and sorted and be a good driver. Oh, and it 
>> needs a windshield. Would I get it insured, wait a couple days then call 
>> insurance or just pay to get it replaced? I have no earthly idea how 
>> much a proper windshield costs.
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 15, 2024, at 6:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is no telling what he means by limp mode. Will have to scan it
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Jul 15, 2024, at 8:21 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 Finally made arrangements to see this thing with the seller. And of 
 course, when I get there, he says that he doesn’t have the keys that 
 his brother took them accidentally so my first visit was simply 
 looking it over. He bought it a

Re: [MBZ] Red Pig time! -- 1967 Mercedes-Benz s-class 200D,$2,000

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

That’s about as basic as you can get in a W110. Rockers look questionable - 
look at the bottom door edge of the driver’s door in the first picture.

-D

> On Jul 16, 2024, at 8:34 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Looks solid, could be a good transplant candidate
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1254692582575612/
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Re: [MBZ] 2002 SLK320 - 83k miles - $7,500

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That’s actually a nice deal for the price based on the information in the ad. 
If the top works and doesn’t leak (hydraulic fluid) and the interior isn’t all 
aged out like they can get, it’s a good deal.

I researched and even looked at and drove a number of these thinking that it 
was the natural progression for Mrs. Dan from her SL500, but she decided not. 
They’re fun little cars, and with the M112 in them they’re pretty 
indestructible. Avoid the supercharged four cylinder versions (SLK230) as they 
can have issues with supercharger seals. I don’t believe it’s a big deal to 
work with, but I avoided them for that reason.

-D

> On Jul 15, 2024, at 7:08 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> 
> Price is Firm
> 
> https://bn.craigslist.org/cto/d/mc-lean-2002-mercedes-benz-slk320/7766335390.html
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Re: [MBZ] 2019 GLA250

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Something that late model I would go with the Toyota. After researching it, of 
course.

-D


On Jul 15, 2024, at 3:03 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Cheap entry level tinny.

Go with the yoda

--FT
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On Jul 15, 2024, at 6:00 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
wrote:

My Cali child’s partner is considering this:


[Cars-PD_OG-IMG.webp]
Used 2019 Mercedes-Benz GLA 250 Base For Sale 
$23,998
cars.com

She’s vacillating between this or 2021ish Toyota CHR Nightshade.
Who among us had the scoop on these GLAs? Would it be suitable for a girl who 
is reasonably vehicularly aware to drive this around SoCal?

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] Selling due to transmission slipping but drives. 2004 Mercedes-Benz sl-class SL 600 Roadster 2D, $10, 500

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What, you don’t have one?

And yes, you’re right - that thing they use to put the body’s head on would be 
perfect for the tailshaft housing to rest on.

-D

> On Jul 15, 2024, at 1:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> An embalming table would be perfect for this.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2024, at 3:47 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Rebuilding automatic transmissions is far from rocket science. In fact, 
>> it's pretty simple for the most part. Make sure you have a place to work 
>> that’s clean, an area to disassemble that can get oily/dirty, and some high 
>> quality snap ring pliers and you should be good. I’m sure the more 
>> modern/electronic they get the more difficult it will be, but something like 
>> a 722.x can’t be that difficult.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 15, 2024, at 1:42 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I watched a couple of vids about rebuilding 722.6s and 722.9s.  They are 
>>> actually quite easy to rebuild, you just have to keep track of the bits and 
>>> keep everything really clean.  Stuff just comes apart like a 3D puzzle and 
>>> the vids show it very clearly.  I think there are manuals for it too, I 
>>> might have downloaded one.  The rebuild kits are like $300, just some 
>>> clutches and such.  On 722.9s the pump can go bad and you need a new front 
>>> housing of the unit that the pump works in but a junkyard unit would 
>>> probably be OK.
>>> 
>>> The hard part is getting it out of the car without pulling the engine, I 
>>> don't know how hard that would be in a R230 but it is probably pretty tight 
>>> to get at all the bolts.  A lift and trans jack would help a lot.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>>> On 7/15/24 4:13 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>>> I would bet that a new/rebuilt transmission would cost a lot more than 
>>>> "2-3 grand".
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 3:13 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>  This tempts... I believe this is a 722.6 which should be pretty
>>>>  stout so
>>>>  not sure what the problem could be unless it was run low on fluid and
>>>>  abused which is entirely possible. Rebuilds are not difficult once
>>>>  it is
>>>>  out of the car. Looks like a lot of work on it. This engine is
>>>>  actually
>>>>  pretty reliable too. My rational brain says RUN AWAY but my
>>>>  passions
>>>>  say... laws hep me!
>>>> 
>>>>  Twin Turbo 12 cylinder. Renntech Modified, can be returned to
>>>>  stock with
>>>>  device. Absolute thrill of a car. Many services done including ABC
>>>>  struts, motor mounts, convertible roof, etc. I purchased recently
>>>>  from a
>>>>  coworker and the transmission started slipping. Runs and drives
>>>>  but most
>>>>  likely will need replacement down the road unless it is a
>>>>  transmission
>>>>  solenoid/conductor plate or sensor issue. I have performed a fluid
>>>>  change and filter replacement but did not help. I don’t have the
>>>>  funds
>>>>  at the minute to dish out a 2-3 thousand for a transmission
>>>>  rebuild/replacement. May slightly negotiate in person. If you ask
>>>>  me “is
>>>>  it available” I will ignore you. If it’s up, it is available. No
>>>>  trades.
>>>> 
>>>>  https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/8164972506902741
>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] oooooh the luscious factor is off the scale -- 1969 Mercedes-Benz 300sel 6.3L Right Hand Drive, $35, 000

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Sure looks like it, with the requisite bubbling underneath at the base of the 
left “C” pillar, too. Beautiful color, not sure it’s factory, though.

-D

> On Jul 15, 2024, at 1:45 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> 
> Vinyl roof?
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/452732741078715/
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Re: [MBZ] Selling due to transmission slipping but drives. 2004 Mercedes-Benz sl-class SL 600 Roadster 2D, $10, 500

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Rebuilding automatic transmissions is far from rocket science. In fact, it's 
pretty simple for the most part. Make sure you have a place to work that’s 
clean, an area to disassemble that can get oily/dirty, and some high quality 
snap ring pliers and you should be good. I’m sure the more modern/electronic 
they get the more difficult it will be, but something like a 722.x can’t be 
that difficult.

-D

> On Jul 15, 2024, at 1:42 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I watched a couple of vids about rebuilding 722.6s and 722.9s.  They are 
> actually quite easy to rebuild, you just have to keep track of the bits and 
> keep everything really clean.  Stuff just comes apart like a 3D puzzle and 
> the vids show it very clearly.  I think there are manuals for it too, I might 
> have downloaded one.  The rebuild kits are like $300, just some clutches and 
> such.  On 722.9s the pump can go bad and you need a new front housing of the 
> unit that the pump works in but a junkyard unit would probably be OK.
> 
> The hard part is getting it out of the car without pulling the engine, I 
> don't know how hard that would be in a R230 but it is probably pretty tight 
> to get at all the bolts.  A lift and trans jack would help a lot.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 7/15/24 4:13 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>> I would bet that a new/rebuilt transmission would cost a lot more than "2-3 
>> grand".
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 3:13 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>This tempts... I believe this is a 722.6 which should be pretty
>>stout so
>>not sure what the problem could be unless it was run low on fluid and
>>abused which is entirely possible. Rebuilds are not difficult once
>>it is
>>out of the car. Looks like a lot of work on it. This engine is
>>actually
>>pretty reliable too. My rational brain says RUN AWAY but my
>>passions
>>say... laws hep me!
>> 
>>Twin Turbo 12 cylinder. Renntech Modified, can be returned to
>>stock with
>>device. Absolute thrill of a car. Many services done including ABC
>>struts, motor mounts, convertible roof, etc. I purchased recently
>>from a
>>coworker and the transmission started slipping. Runs and drives
>>but most
>>likely will need replacement down the road unless it is a
>>transmission
>>solenoid/conductor plate or sensor issue. I have performed a fluid
>>change and filter replacement but did not help. I don’t have the
>>funds
>>at the minute to dish out a 2-3 thousand for a transmission
>>rebuild/replacement. May slightly negotiate in person. If you ask
>>me “is
>>it available” I will ignore you. If it’s up, it is available. No
>>trades.
>> 
>>https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/8164972506902741
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair

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I’ve done my own as well as paid for it to be done, and all I can say is it was 
far cheaper in so many ways to have it done I would never DIY it again, except 
maybe for an R129. They’re really simple since the top is removable. That said, 
it’s a mess and you’ll never, ever get all the old glue off the headliner 
board. You can save some money by R&R’ing it and taking it to your 
headliner/upholstery shop, but to be honest, they’re so good at it I found the 
difference in price to be marginal at best. 

-D

> On Jul 14, 2024, at 3:09 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What has happened is that the rubber foam under the fabric has fallen apart, 
> and glue won't do you much good, more dead foam will simply peel off.
> 
> The fix is to remove the headliner panel, scrape all the dead foam and old 
> glue off, and glue fresh material in it's place.  JoAnn used to have the 
> correct material, but you may have to source it somewhere else.
> 
> Someday I may do this in the Golf, this one is coming down (the older one was 
> still fine), but as long as it doesn't interfere with vision I'll leave it.  
> More serious things to worry about on that car.
> 
> Peter
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Sent: Jul 14, 2024 2:04 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Allan Streib 
> Subject: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair
> 
> I think the answer is "no" but is there an effective DIY approach to dealing 
> with a sagging headliner? In the past I've tried 3M sticky spray and it 
> initially works but not for long.
> 
> If not, what sort of shop do I look for? There's one shop locally that 
> advertises repairs that are typically in the $250-$500 range.
> 
> Car in question is my W211 E500. Headliner is not down but it's sagging over 
> the rear window shelf and seat back area, it flaps around in the breeze if I 
> have the rear windows open.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair

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I would add that while implied, I didn’t point out that the headliner is glued 
down to the roof at the top of the windshield and rear window. The dark brown 
stuff you see is old glue, probably hide glue (as in made out of rendered 
animals.) You can’t really do a proper headliner install on these cars without 
removing the windshield and rear window seals. The fabric actually wraps around 
the weldment of the window opening in some places, so trhying to “cheat” and 
jus ttuck it under means having to try and jam a bunch of fabric where it 
doesn’t belong, or trimming it during installation (very risky!)

And again, it’s the perfect opportunity to replace the windshield and rear 
window seals, too. With OE rubber, of course!

-D

On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:17 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Common, mainly because the back corners are anchored to the rear (C) pillar 
under the paneling that covers the pillar, and as the material ages it shrinks 
and pulls out. It’s probably got some of the brown discoloration on it as well.

I can’t speak to the W108s, but four years ago or thereabouts when I was doing 
the W111 220SEb a new headliner, complete from Mercedes, was under $200 and on 
the shelf in Germany.

But - it cost quite a bit to have it replaced. That’s mainly because I had both 
from and rear glass removed so new seals could be installed. Money well spent 
and the ideal time to do it all.

-D


On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>> wrote:


The headliner in the local W108 4.5 is sagging in the rear.  Otherwise, is taut.

On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at 3:34 PM dan 
penoff.com<http://penoff.com/><http://penoff.com<http://penoff.com/>> via 
Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com><mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
 wrote:
Older cars with headliners that were installed with bows.

-D

On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com><mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
 wrote:

These are problems older cars never had.

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penoff.com<http://penoff.com/><http://penoff.com<http://penoff.com/>> via 
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These:


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-D



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 wrote:

Very common in W210 and W211s, especially if they’ve lived in a hot climate.

I’ve seen people use the little “corkscrew” pins to hold it up, but remember, 
you’re poking into a fiberglass panel in most cases, and it’s not going to like 
it.

-D

On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:02 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com><mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
 wrote:

I think the answer is "no" but is there an effective DIY approach to dealing 
with a sagging headliner? In the past I've tried 3M sticky spray and it 
initially works but not for long.

If not, what sort of shop do I look for? There's one shop locally that 
advertises repairs that are typically in the $250-$500 range.

Car in question is my W211 E500. Headliner is not down but it's sagging over 
the rear window shelf and seat back area, it flaps around in the breeze if I 
have the rear windows open.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Common, mainly because the back corners are anchored to the rear (C) pillar 
under the paneling that covers the pillar, and as the material ages it shrinks 
and pulls out. It’s probably got some of the brown discoloration on it as well.

I can’t speak to the W108s, but four years ago or thereabouts when I was doing 
the W111 220SEb a new headliner, complete from Mercedes, was under $200 and on 
the shelf in Germany.

But - it cost quite a bit to have it replaced. That’s mainly because I had both 
from and rear glass removed so new seals could be installed. Money well spent 
and the ideal time to do it all.

-D


On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:


The headliner in the local W108 4.5 is sagging in the rear.  Otherwise, is taut.

On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at 3:34 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
Older cars with headliners that were installed with bows.

-D

> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> These are problems older cars never had.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:18 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>
>> These:
>>
>>
>> 
>> [41aGnOJcKrL._SR600,315_PIWhiteStrip,BottomLeft,0,35_PIStarRatingFOURANDHALF,BottomLeft,360,-6_SR600,315_ZA9%2C272,445,290,400,400,AmazonEmberBold,12,4,0,0,5_SCLZZZ_FMpng_BG255,255,255.jpg]
>> Attmu 50 Pcs Upholstery Tacks Headliner Pins Clear Heads Twist Pins for 
>> Slipcovers and Bedskirts, 0.5 Inches Bed Skirt 
>> Pins
>> amazon.com
>>
>> -D
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:07 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Very common in W210 and W211s, especially if they’ve lived in a hot climate.
>>
>> I’ve seen people use the little “corkscrew” pins to hold it up, but 
>> remember, you’re poking into a fiberglass panel in most cases, and it’s not 
>> going to like it.
>>
>> -D
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:02 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I think the answer is "no" but is there an effective DIY approach to dealing 
>> with a sagging headliner? In the past I've tried 3M sticky spray and it 
>> initially works but not for long.
>>
>> If not, what sort of shop do I look for? There's one shop locally that 
>> advertises repairs that are typically in the $250-$500 range.
>>
>> Car in question is my W211 E500. Headliner is not down but it's sagging over 
>> the rear window shelf and seat back area, it flaps around in the breeze if I 
>> have the rear windows open.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair

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Older cars with headliners that were installed with bows.

-D

> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> These are problems older cars never had.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:18 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> These:
>> 
>> 
>> <https://www.amazon.com/Attmu-Upholstery-Slipcovers-Bedskirts-Inches/dp/B00Q87O00U/?th=1>
>> [41aGnOJcKrL._SR600,315_PIWhiteStrip,BottomLeft,0,35_PIStarRatingFOURANDHALF,BottomLeft,360,-6_SR600,315_ZA9%2C272,445,290,400,400,AmazonEmberBold,12,4,0,0,5_SCLZZZ_FMpng_BG255,255,255.jpg]
>> Attmu 50 Pcs Upholstery Tacks Headliner Pins Clear Heads Twist Pins for 
>> Slipcovers and Bedskirts, 0.5 Inches Bed Skirt 
>> Pins<https://www.amazon.com/Attmu-Upholstery-Slipcovers-Bedskirts-Inches/dp/B00Q87O00U/?th=1>
>> amazon.com<https://www.amazon.com/Attmu-Upholstery-Slipcovers-Bedskirts-Inches/dp/B00Q87O00U/?th=1>
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:07 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Very common in W210 and W211s, especially if they’ve lived in a hot climate.
>> 
>> I’ve seen people use the little “corkscrew” pins to hold it up, but 
>> remember, you’re poking into a fiberglass panel in most cases, and it’s not 
>> going to like it.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:02 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think the answer is "no" but is there an effective DIY approach to dealing 
>> with a sagging headliner? In the past I've tried 3M sticky spray and it 
>> initially works but not for long.
>> 
>> If not, what sort of shop do I look for? There's one shop locally that 
>> advertises repairs that are typically in the $250-$500 range.
>> 
>> Car in question is my W211 E500. Headliner is not down but it's sagging over 
>> the rear window shelf and seat back area, it flaps around in the breeze if I 
>> have the rear windows open.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair

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These:


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Attmu 50 Pcs Upholstery Tacks Headliner Pins Clear Heads Twist Pins for 
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-D



On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:07 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Very common in W210 and W211s, especially if they’ve lived in a hot climate.

I’ve seen people use the little “corkscrew” pins to hold it up, but remember, 
you’re poking into a fiberglass panel in most cases, and it’s not going to like 
it.

-D

On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:02 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
wrote:

I think the answer is "no" but is there an effective DIY approach to dealing 
with a sagging headliner? In the past I've tried 3M sticky spray and it 
initially works but not for long.

If not, what sort of shop do I look for? There's one shop locally that 
advertises repairs that are typically in the $250-$500 range.

Car in question is my W211 E500. Headliner is not down but it's sagging over 
the rear window shelf and seat back area, it flaps around in the breeze if I 
have the rear windows open.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair

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Very common in W210 and W211s, especially if they’ve lived in a hot climate.

I’ve seen people use the little “corkscrew” pins to hold it up, but remember, 
you’re poking into a fiberglass panel in most cases, and it’s not going to like 
it.

-D

> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:02 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think the answer is "no" but is there an effective DIY approach to dealing 
> with a sagging headliner? In the past I've tried 3M sticky spray and it 
> initially works but not for long.
> 
> If not, what sort of shop do I look for? There's one shop locally that 
> advertises repairs that are typically in the $250-$500 range.
> 
> Car in question is my W211 E500. Headliner is not down but it's sagging over 
> the rear window shelf and seat back area, it flaps around in the breeze if I 
> have the rear windows open.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Undrcover

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The Noahs are nice, but very pricey compared to everyone else, or so it seemed 
when I was shopping. I went with the SealSkin as I didn’t expect to have to use 
mine for more than a year.

Thanks for sharing!

-D

> On Jul 14, 2024, at 9:08 AM, ned kleinhenz via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have an old Bimmer Z3 Roadster that I have been covering outdoors for
> most of each year for about 18 years now.  My family gave me a Noah (I
> think I got that name correct) cover that lasted about 10 years before it
> started to decay.  I replaced it with an identical one.  The newer one now
> failed mostly because squirrels and other critters chewed and scratched big
> holes in it.   This cover was a thick, moisture resistant fabric with a
> very soft car-side surface.  All things considered it did an amazingly good
> job of protecting the paint.  It breathed well enough that nothing rusted,
> corroded or showed any type of water damage.  This car still has its
> original 24 year old rag top.  Bird dropping seemed to be the most
> detrimental element to the cover itself.  They stained and rotted it.  A
> few times I laundered the covers in a large horizontal machine at a
> laundromat, then air dried it.  It cleaned up nicely.  The Noah’s were
> expensive, like $300 if I recall correctly.  I recently ordered a SealSkin
> to replace it for about half that Noah price.  To be fair, I didn’t even
> look up how much Noah’s now cost.  I just got an offer for a SealSkin and
> ordered it.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] This could be a good deal

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gt; 
>>>    and Crankcase ventilation valve (including line and heating element)
>>> 
>>>   *The Extended Modification Warranty will cover the cost of any OBD
>>>   Diagnostic Scan for malfunctions that trigger the MIL, regardless of
>>>   whether the malfunction is attributable to a part that is covered
>>>   under the Extended Modification Warranty, as well as the cost of
>>>   troubleshooting to determine the reason for the malfunction, but
>>>   only if the malfunction is determined to be attributable to a part
>>>   that is covered under the Extended Modification Warranty.
>>> 
>>> Additional Extended Warranty Periods for Certain Emission-Related
>>> Components
>>> 
>>> As indicated in the table below, some emission-related components have
>>> an additional extended warranty period. The additional extended warranty
>>> is added to the applicable Extended Modification Warranty period above.
>>> 
>>> EMC 10, & EMC 11
>>> 
>>> 6 months and 6,000 miles
>>> 6 months and 6,000 miles
>>> 
>>> 6 months and 6,000 miles
>>> 
>>> -
>>> 
>>> -
>>> 
>>> -
>>> 
>>> 6 months and 6,000 miles
>>> 
>>> -
>>> 
>>> 6 months and 6,000 miles
>>> 6 months and 6,000 miles
>>> 
>>> (Part not applicable) 12 months and 12,000 miles
>>> 
>>> - - - -
>>> 
>>> -
>>> 
>>> - - - - -
>>> 
>>> - - - -
>>> 
>>> - -
>>> 
>>> -
>>> 
>>> #
>>> 
>>> Part EMC 1 & EMC 2 EMC 9
>>> 
>>> 1
>>> 
>>> DOC 6 months and 6,000 miles 6 months and 6,000 miles
>>> 
>>> 2
>>> 
>>> DPF 6 months and 6,000 miles 6 months and 6,000 miles
>>> 
>>> 3
>>> 
>>> SCR catalyst 12 months and 12,000 miles 6 months and 6,000 miles
>>> 
>>> 4
>>> 
>>> DEF injector - -
>>> 
>>> 5
>>> 
>>> DEF injector controller - -
>>> 
>>> 6
>>> 
>>> DEF supply module - -
>>> 
>>> 7
>>> 
>>> DEF pump 6 months and 6,000 miles 6 months and 6,000 miles
>>> 
>>> 8
>>> 
>>> DEF temperature sensor - -
>>> 
>>> 9
>>> 
>>> Exhaust temperature
>>> sensor 12 months and 12,000 miles 6 months and 6,000 miles
>>> 
>>> 10
>>> 
>>> PM sensor (Part not applicable) 6 months and 6,000 miles
>>> 
>>> 11
>>> 
>>> Lambda sensor 12 months and 12,000 miles (Part not applicable)
>>> 
>>> 12
>>> 
>>> 12 months and 12,000 NOx Sensors 24 months and 24,000 miles miles
>>> 
>>> 13
>>> 
>>> Fuel injectors 6 months and 6,000 miles -
>>> 
>>> 14
>>> 
>>> Air intake throttle - 6 months and 6,000 miles
>>> 
>>> 15
>>> 
>>> EGR valve 6 months and 6,000 miles -
>>> 
>>> 16
>>> 
>>> EGR duct 6 months and 6,000 miles -
>>> 
>>> 17
>>> 
>>> EGR cooler (incl. bypass
>>> control) 6 months and 6,000 miles -
>>> 
>>> 18
>>> 
>>> Intake manifold/charge air
>>> distributor 6 months and 6,000 miles -
>>> 
>>> 19
>>> 
>>> EGR temperature sensor 6 months and 6,000 miles -
>>> 
>>> 20
>>> 
>>> Turbocharger - -
>>> 
>>> 21
>>> 
>>> Engine control unit - -
>>> 
>>> 22
>>> 
>>> Transmission control unit - -
>>> 
>>> 23
>>> 
>>> Hydraulic control unit
>>> (EHS) - -
>>> 
>>> 24
>>> 
>>> OBD system - -
>>> 
>>> 25
>>> 
>>> Cylinder Head assembly - -
>>> 
>>> 26
>>> 
>>> Timing chain - -
>>> 
>>> 27
>>> 
>>> Intake manifold pressure
>>> sensor - -
>>> 
>>> 28
>>> 
>>> Instrument cluster - -
>>> 
>>> 29
>>> 
>>> Coolant thermostat, where
>>> replaced as part of AEM - -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 7/13/24 11:58 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> Even if it’s not covered under warranty it’s easy to clean out. Re

Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I’ve owned several of the 6 cylinder W108s, and they were great cars. Never had 
a V8 version, never wanted one for just the reasons Jaime stated. That, and I 
suspect they’re tough to work on with the limited space in the engine 
compartment.

-D

> On Jul 14, 2024, at 5:11 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 108s are expensive to sort out, especially 4.5s.  They all need all the
> fuel hoses, timing chain, wiring harness repairs - none of these things
> impact the 6 cylinder cars.  Running 4.5s in nice cosmetic condition are
> worth mid to high teens, but often sell for more at auction.
> 
> I often recommend 6 cylinder cars over 4.5s, unless someone really wants
> the extra power and has the means to spend an extra $10-20k to sort out the
> car.
> 
> I have two 4.5s right now... gotta sell one at least
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 4:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> What would a reasonable amount to pay for one in decent cosmetic shape
>> that might need some reasonable mechanical work? I would prefer a 4.5, I
>> think. I have never had a 108 aside from a few parts cars.  I know there is
>> some sort of issue with hydraulic suspension compensator something or other.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2024, at 2:41 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It’s likely more dependent on condition than anything else. Nice ones
>> are going to command big bucks, but maybe buyers are starting to realize
>> what a nightmare they can be to restore?
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 13, 2024, at 9:25 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I wish I would have bought one years ago when they were much cheaper.
>> According to some people, they say the demand and prices for them are
>> dropping like a rock. Anyone seeing that?
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 13, 2024, at 11:15 AM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> For perspective: my less-than-100k-original-miles California 1972 W108
>>>>> 280SEL 4.5 with original paint and no accidents, full leather interior,
>>>>> cost $3800 when I bought it in 2007.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I wouldn't drive it ONE FOOT before replacing all the rubber underhood
>> fuel
>>>>> injection hoses. Any D-Jetronic-equipped engine is a flamethrower
>> waiting
>>>>> to happen unless those hoses are serviceable.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2024, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If it were running and moving I might be tempted...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 8:45?PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That doesn?t seem like a $4900 car even though it looks pretty nice.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --FT
>>>>>>> Sent from iF?n
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jul 12, 2024, at 8:15?PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ?The seller writes:  "I don't have any time [to put the car in
>> running
>>>>>>>> condition].  The car runs. Selling as is.  The engine turns.  Needs
>> new
>>>>>>>> gas."
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 8:31?AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
>>>>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> All 108s, including 4.5s, could be had with leather and MB Tex.  I
>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>>> own one of each with a 4.5, both short wheelbase.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Even a 250S could have leather.  Only exception might be the odd
>> ball
>>>>>>>>> 108.015 300SE? the steel sprung M189 powered car?. They might all
>> have
>>>>>>>>> leather.  I have one in the shop now, it?s quite a machine!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>&g

Re: [MBZ] Undercover - A car cover

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I’ve used “Seal Skin” covers for several cars, one of which was stored for the 
winter under one outdoors. It worked just fine, no problems to report. Between 
the temperatures, snow and sun exposure, it held up quite well, I thought. No 
complaints about it and nothing to indicate any damage or things like scratches 
on the finish from it. These are “breathable” covers, which if you’re storing 
outdoors you want - that prevents moisture buildup under the cover. I don’t 
think it matters, but I also had a battery tender on the car during this time 
as well.


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I’ve tinkered with so-called “ceramic coatings” and haven’t been terribly 
impressed. That is, they appear to work, but so does a well-applied coat of 
wax, too. If you wax a car and then store it, the wax isn’t going to degrade, 
so it really doesn't make a lot of difference when it comes to waxing and 
storage. If the car is going to sit out in the elements, and this is wholly 
dependent on the climate where you live, that might matter.

I did this on exposed ground, so before I parked the car (ML350) I put down a 
cheap HF tarp that was larger than the area the car covered. That way I didn't 
have to worry about moisture from the ground affecting the undercarriage of the 
car. Parking a car on grass or dirt is a bad idea if it’s going to be there for 
a while.

-D

On Jul 13, 2024, at 10:38 AM, r rhonald.me via Mercedes  
wrote:

All, I have had some conversations with a few people locally and I am doing 
some online research.  My current Estate Wagon is going to get replaced.  I 
didn't address the rust in time (lesson painfully learned), but I got 12 good 
years of use out of it and it never let me down at the time I needed it most.  
I love my 123.

That being said, I am on the hunt for another vehicle.  This time, I am looking 
at convertibles and a 2nd "runaround" vehicle for daily use.  This new one will 
only get driven occasionally.  And certainly not in the snow, and it a week of 
rain is predicted, not then either.

My property doesn't have a garage but it does have a good-sized driveway.

The questions:


 1.  Who uses a car cover, what brand, and how has it worked out for you?  I 
have heard moisture can build up under some of them during long-term storage


 1.  What defines "long-term?"  Winter? December - March?  I would think 
anything over 6 months would be long-term.  And winter I would think would be 
better than summer long-term.



 1.
Has anyone had experience with portable garages?  Carports only offer direct 
overhead protection, not blowing rain and snow so someone suggested a portable 
garage (not connected to the house)

 2.
What type/brand of wax or ceramic coatings are best to use?  Some have said 
that the seams on the underside have left fine scratches on the car body.

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Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

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David,

Just to clarify, there are steel springs in the (rear) suspension. The 
hydropneumatic compensator does just that, it compensates for load on the rear 
suspension and is intended to maintain a specific ride height. Often mistakenly 
considered nothing more than a big shock absorber, it’s actually a fairly 
complex device with internal valving to control its operation.



[genuine-mercedes-benz-hydropneumatic-compensator-shock-w108-w110-w111__20719.1625604934.386.513.jpg]

ZF made these, and I found a link I had to their former web page with a 
description of the “Nivomat” as it was branded by them:


Cars | Nivomat® - ZF Friedrichshafen 
AG
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[X]

Due to the cost of the device, when they failed a lot of owners opted to go 
with a fixed steel spring instead of the compensator, as it was easy to 
retrofit. Also, not all of the models with swing axles had a compensator, some 
came from the factory with the spring setup, as in a lot if not all of the W110 
and W111 models that used the same rear axle setup. Jamie is probably far 
better versed on these than me, so I’ll certainly defer to him or anyone else 
that is more knowledgable.

Enjoy!

-D








On Jul 13, 2024, at 1:33 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I can't speak to values, other than to echo Dan that generally the crappy
ones aren't worth the effort. And sedans anyway are not worth as much as a
coupé or convertible.

As to the hydropneumatic compensator: a clever but poorly understood
contraption mounted in place of the transverse steel spring on the rear
differential. The idea is that, with some movement over uneven pavement,
the compensator would pump itself up against a nitrogen cushion to provide
height control. Same principle as the hydropneumatic system on the station
wagons: the system only provided a "levelling" function. The clever part
being that the hydropneumatic compensator did not require a pump because it
did that part itself!

They were made by Boge and are available rebuilt provided you have a core
to supply. Last time I checked it was ~$1,500 for a rebuild. I'm sure they
replace a bunch of seals and stuff, but most probably all that fails is
they lose the nitrogen gas charge. Same thing happens on the station wagons
and for that matter the 6.9 system. Different again (essentially a copy of
Citroën's system in the DS from 1955) because there are literally NO steel
springs. The car is totally dependent on the hydraulic system to stay "up",
hence the way the 6.9s sink to the ground if not used. NOT like the W100
and W109 systems, which use air, not hydraulic pressure.

I swapped in the (easily available from Mercedes) spring on my W108 in
place of the compensator. Took about 15 minutes. I have kept it just in
case...

D.



On Sat, 13 Jul 2024, Kaleb Striplin wrote:

What would a reasonable amount to pay
for one in decent cosmetic shape that
might need some reasonable mechanical
work? I would prefer a 4.5, I think. I have
never had a 108 aside from a few parts
cars.  I know there is some sort of issue
with hydraulic suspension compensator
something or other.
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Re: [MBZ] looks complete and decent -- 1963 Mercedes-Benz 220s, $3, 000

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That’s pretty nice for the price.

-D

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> 
> Steering wheel intact, red upholstery is cool
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3668210170060319
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Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

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It’s likely more dependent on condition than anything else. Nice ones are going 
to command big bucks, but maybe buyers are starting to realize what a nightmare 
they can be to restore?

-D

> On Jul 13, 2024, at 9:25 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I wish I would have bought one years ago when they were much cheaper. 
> According to some people, they say the demand and prices for them are 
> dropping like a rock. Anyone seeing that?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 13, 2024, at 11:15 AM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> For perspective: my less-than-100k-original-miles California 1972 W108
>> 280SEL 4.5 with original paint and no accidents, full leather interior,
>> cost $3800 when I bought it in 2007.
>> 
>> I wouldn't drive it ONE FOOT before replacing all the rubber underhood fuel
>> injection hoses. Any D-Jetronic-equipped engine is a flamethrower waiting
>> to happen unless those hoses are serviceable.
>> 
>> 
 On Sat, Jul 13, 2024, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If it were running and moving I might be tempted...
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 8:45?PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 That doesn?t seem like a $4900 car even though it looks pretty nice.
 
 --FT
 Sent from iF?n
 
> On Jul 12, 2024, at 8:15?PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> ?The seller writes:  "I don't have any time [to put the car in running
> condition].  The car runs. Selling as is.  The engine turns.  Needs new
> gas."
> 
>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 8:31?AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> All 108s, including 4.5s, could be had with leather and MB Tex.  I
 current
>> own one of each with a 4.5, both short wheelbase.
>> 
>> Even a 250S could have leather.  Only exception might be the odd ball
>> 108.015 300SE? the steel sprung M189 powered car?. They might all have
>> leather.  I have one in the shop now, it?s quite a machine!
>> 
>> Jaime
>> 
>> 
>> Jaime Kopchinski
>> https://classicworkshop.com/
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 4:45?PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I drove over to have a look. Rust issues  include gaping hole in
>>> trunk
>>> spare tire well, corroded battery tray, holes in rear of both front
>>> fenders.  Has been sitting in the sun so all door seals are rotted.
>> Still,
>>> the interior is surprisingly fresh and there is no bad smell.  Owner
>>> is
>>> going to get it running but front right brake caliper is seized so it
>> must
>>> be towed away.  Has been in same family for 30+ years and there is a
>> paper
>>> trail + documents.  Biggest issue would probably be the rust,
>>> assuming
>> the
>>> drive train checks out.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 10:07?AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 I like that. Could be a nice rolling resto.
 
 ?FT
 
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 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Might be worth a look.  Red interior is special, although the
>>> engine
>>> bay
> seems quite corroded.  Thoughts?
> 
 
>>> 
>> 
 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1185043686174057/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3Ae231aff8-c301-4ab7-be76-7f36fe58d69f
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Re: [MBZ] This could be a good deal

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Looks nice for the miles and money if you’re looking for a diesel.

-D

> On Jul 13, 2024, at 7:03 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Interesting. I should definitely go look at it. Could be a decent ride for 
> pretty cheap. Has a hitch too.
> 
> —FT
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>> On Jul 13, 2024, at 9:52 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes a good deal. If I’m not mistaken the DPF should be under warranty from 
>> the recall.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>  wrote:
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>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/829177899173539/
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Re: [MBZ] uhoh -- 2001 Mercedes-Benz s-class S 600 Sedan 4D,$3,000

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Yeah, I can see a “drive and dump” on this for the money of it’s relatively 
solid and functional.

Believe me, I checked when I saw what it would entail to replace one of the 
rear ABC hoses on the former CL600. You would have to drop a boatload of stuff 
to get the hose out/in, like rear axle, driveshaft, suspension, etc., etc. 
Nope! I talked to the industrial hose guys I’ve used for years in Tampa and 
they said no problem, they also recommended going to a higher pressure rated 
hose to cut down on any flexing.

-D

> On Jul 12, 2024, at 3:49 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah just getting a high pressure hose made would be the best way to deal 
> with it, get the fittings on each end and have at it.  I presume they could 
> do a 3000psi line easy enough.  I'm thinking $2200 would be a reasonable deal 
> on that car, the guy is probably done with it... he looks like a young guy, 
> probably picked the thing up to look cool in, now it's got problems and he 
> doesn't want to deal with them. Cut his losses...
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 7/12/24 6:40 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Those rear lines are really cheap - around $100 or so, but the labor to 
>> replace them will cost you several thousand due to the need to drop almost 
>> everything under the back of the car.
>> 
>> But you know that - and also to just measure the distance with a piece of 
>> scrap tubing and have one made up at your local industrial hose place, and 
>> run it directly, tied down with tiewraps.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 12, 2024, at 2:45 PM, Floyd Thursby via 
>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can blow more of my retirement money!!!
>>> 
>>> currently has a small leak at the fuel pump, as well as one of the rear 
>>> driver side ABC fluid lines
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1016588959879538
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Re: [MBZ] uhoh -- 2001 Mercedes-Benz s-class S 600 Sedan 4D,$3,000

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Those rear lines are really cheap - around $100 or so, but the labor to replace 
them will cost you several thousand due to the need to drop almost everything 
under the back of the car.

But you know that - and also to just measure the distance with a piece of scrap 
tubing and have one made up at your local industrial hose place, and run it 
directly, tied down with tiewraps.

-D

> On Jul 12, 2024, at 2:45 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I can blow more of my retirement money!!!
> 
> currently has a small leak at the fuel pump, as well as one of the rear 
> driver side ABC fluid lines
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1016588959879538
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Re: [MBZ] Bid only $2250 -- 2007 Mercedes-Benz S600

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A couple of warnings from someone who has stayed there and played in the casino:

1.) Take a lot of nickels. They clearly cater to the slot machine crowd, as 
does every casino in AC from the looks of things. Very little in the way of 
table games. Look at the bus parking area in the middle of the NJ Turnpike 5-10 
miles outside of Atlantic City. All day-trippers.

2.) They don’t comp drinks, even soft drinks. At least they didn’t when I was 
there. I was playing a fairly high-stakes craps game, and had been for about an 
hour, when a waitress tried charging me a buck for a Diet Coke. I was stunned. 
I asked her when they stopped comping players for drinks, and she said they 
never had. Maybe that’s changed, I don’t know, but I immediately cashed out and 
never spent another dime in the place.

This is dated, as it was in the 1990s, but I’m sure the demographics haven't 
changed for the majority of the customers. Atlantic City is not where the 
whales and high-rollers go anyway.

-D

> On Jul 12, 2024, at 12:42 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nah man, Atlantic City to the trump casino 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Jul 12, 2024, at 3:40 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, at least you could do it in style…on your drive to Vegas?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 12, 2024, at 12:29 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> H sounds like a plan!
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iFōn
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 12, 2024, at 1:35 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Only if you’re looking to squander your retirement savings in this case.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 12, 2024, at 10:10 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cmon man life is an adventure!
>>>>> 
>>>>> --FT
>>>>> Sent from iFōn
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 12, 2024, at 11:26 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ABC! Run, run, run for your lives!!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I read the list of options and just see a bunch of stuff that’s going to 
>>>>>> cost a fortune to maintain/repair.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It’s cars like this that make a well-maintained W126 or W124 look really 
>>>>>> attractive at times.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -D
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jul 12, 2024, at 7:28 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Surely this will be bid up more over the next 6 days
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://carsandbids.com/auctions/K1AV4Aad/2007-mercedes-benz-s600?utm_source=pd&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=n
>>>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Bid only $2250 -- 2007 Mercedes-Benz S600

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Well, at least you could do it in style…on your drive to Vegas?

-D

> On Jul 12, 2024, at 12:29 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> H sounds like a plan!
> 
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>> On Jul 12, 2024, at 1:35 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Only if you’re looking to squander your retirement savings in this case.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 12, 2024, at 10:10 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Cmon man life is an adventure!
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iFōn
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 12, 2024, at 11:26 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ABC! Run, run, run for your lives!!
>>>> 
>>>> I read the list of options and just see a bunch of stuff that’s going to 
>>>> cost a fortune to maintain/repair.
>>>> 
>>>> It’s cars like this that make a well-maintained W126 or W124 look really 
>>>> attractive at times.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 12, 2024, at 7:28 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Surely this will be bid up more over the next 6 days
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://carsandbids.com/auctions/K1AV4Aad/2007-mercedes-benz-s600?utm_source=pd&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=n
>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Bid only $2250 -- 2007 Mercedes-Benz S600

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Only if you’re looking to squander your retirement savings in this case.

-D

> On Jul 12, 2024, at 10:10 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> 
> Cmon man life is an adventure!
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
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>> On Jul 12, 2024, at 11:26 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> ABC! Run, run, run for your lives!!
>> 
>> I read the list of options and just see a bunch of stuff that’s going to 
>> cost a fortune to maintain/repair.
>> 
>> It’s cars like this that make a well-maintained W126 or W124 look really 
>> attractive at times.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>>> On Jul 12, 2024, at 7:28 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Surely this will be bid up more over the next 6 days
>>> 
>>> https://carsandbids.com/auctions/K1AV4Aad/2007-mercedes-benz-s600?utm_source=pd&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=n
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Overpriced diesel gas

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I was wondering that myself. Kleb would know.

-D

On Jul 12, 2024, at 8:35 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
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Are these OM642?

AZBob

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Didn’t notice it’s got a trailer hitch. Another plus!

-D

On Jul 12, 2024, at 6:09 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
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This one out here is similar:


<442492614_122100670544337180_968688003151781952_n.jpg>
2008 Mercedes-Benz M-Class · ML 320 CDI Sport Utility 
4D
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If I could just get the seller to do more than give me the VIN. I feel that 
he’s one of those guys that will not engage or answer any questions unless the 
question is where can I come look at it.

AZBob

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On Jul 12, 2024, at 5:35 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

Looks fairly nice, not too crazy

—FT

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Re: [MBZ] Overpriced diesel gas

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Didn’t notice it’s got a trailer hitch. Another plus!

-D

On Jul 12, 2024, at 6:09 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
wrote:

This one out here is similar:


<442492614_122100670544337180_968688003151781952_n.jpg>
2008 Mercedes-Benz M-Class · ML 320 CDI Sport Utility 
4D
facebook.com

If I could just get the seller to do more than give me the VIN. I feel that 
he’s one of those guys that will not engage or answer any questions unless the 
question is where can I come look at it.

AZBob

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 wrote:

Looks fairly nice, not too crazy

—FT

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Re: [MBZ] Somebody like poos needs to save this

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Save it for what? Propagating rust? Making more soda cans?

-D

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Re: [MBZ] Bid only $2250 -- 2007 Mercedes-Benz S600

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ABC! Run, run, run for your lives!!

I read the list of options and just see a bunch of stuff that’s going to cost a 
fortune to maintain/repair.

It’s cars like this that make a well-maintained W126 or W124 look really 
attractive at times.

-D

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> Surely this will be bid up more over the next 6 days
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Luscious colors, fender dents -- 1995 Mercedes-Benz s 500 coupe, $6, 000

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Again, given the choice, it’s best to stick with facelift (1996-on) W140s and 
R129s for a lot of reasons.

I have to believe that unless a W140 was a garage queen or stored away that 
wiring harness issues, at least for the main engine harness, have probably been 
addressed.

That said, lower engine harnesses as well as throttle body harnesses are always 
suspect as they’re rarely changed.

-D

> On Jul 11, 2024, at 9:21 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> I like this but I wonder if the wiring harness is degraded.  The recent wash 
> might be hiding bad paint. Might be a $4k car
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

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I had them in a number of cars over the years, and even installed a set in my 
1962 300SE as it didn’t come with any. The weldnuts were in the pan but had 
covers or plugs. I bought a complete set of belts and I think it took about 30 
minutes to install them.

A good part of the motivation was due to my youngest son, who, after being 
given his first ride in the car, runs inside to tell his Mom, “Mom, Dad’s new 
car is so old it doesn’t have seat belts!!”

Oops.

-D

> On Jul 10, 2024, at 3:55 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 22:14:04 +0000 "dan penoff.com via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
>> Looks like it’s got the old “Kangol” seat belts.
> 
> I liked the way the Kangol seat belts in my '72 220D/8 worked.
> 
> I suppose it was some safety-related thing which made them quit,
> but I would argue, though, the Kangol belts were much easier and
> quicker to buckle and unbuckle.
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Re: [MBZ] we are negotiable - 1984 300TD - 196k miles - $21,900

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Yeah, all those Microsoft people aren’t being so free with their money anymore…

-D

> On Jul 10, 2024, at 3:35 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> They are out of their mind on that price. 
> 
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>> On Jul 10, 2024, at 5:22 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The chrome wheel arches are an abomination on any car and also hasten 
>> infection with the tinworm. I can’t count the number of W126s I’ve seen over 
>> the years where all it took to start rust occurring with these things on the 
>> car was the little screws they used to self-drill into the fender lip.
>> 
>> I’m not a fan of the 8-hole wheels on W123s, but with the limited choices of 
>> wheel sizes for these cars, especially 15” versions, I would consider it for 
>> just that reason. I’ve owned a W123 with stock 15” steel wheels, and it was 
>> a totally different car to drive compared to the 14” stock wheels. I 
>> completely agree that they should be bundts (yuck!) or steelies with 
>> color-keyed wheel covers, the classiest looking setup I've ever seen on any 
>> car trying to coordinate wheel colors with the body color scheme.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2024, at 10:41 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think the chrome wheels and arches are are ugly and wrong, the W123 needs 
>>> to have Bundts or hubcaps. But I guess not many of these left. Aftermarket 
>>> radio.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

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I know the inline 6 280s could be ordered with either, but the ones I’ve owned 
were MBTex as I recall. Never had a V8 W108. That would be scary.

-D

> On Jul 10, 2024, at 3:32 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Did the 4.5 come with MB Tex or did they all have leather from the factory?
> 
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>> On Jul 10, 2024, at 5:14 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Parts are probably worth the ask. Getting that engine sorted, especially 
>> the fuel system, could be problematic based on the photos and condition. 
>> Interior sure looks nice, and the body/paint issues don’t look bad at all. 
>> Looks like it’s got the old “Kangol” seat belts.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2024, at 1:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Might be worth a look.  Red interior is special, although the engine bay
>>> seems quite corroded.  Thoughts?
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1185043686174057/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3Ae231aff8-c301-4ab7-be76-7f36fe58d69f
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Re: [MBZ] we are negotiable - 1984 300TD - 196k miles - $21,900

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The chrome wheel arches are an abomination on any car and also hasten infection 
with the tinworm. I can’t count the number of W126s I’ve seen over the years 
where all it took to start rust occurring with these things on the car was the 
little screws they used to self-drill into the fender lip.

I’m not a fan of the 8-hole wheels on W123s, but with the limited choices of 
wheel sizes for these cars, especially 15” versions, I would consider it for 
just that reason. I’ve owned a W123 with stock 15” steel wheels, and it was a 
totally different car to drive compared to the 14” stock wheels. I completely 
agree that they should be bundts (yuck!) or steelies with color-keyed wheel 
covers, the classiest looking setup I've ever seen on any car trying to 
coordinate wheel colors with the body color scheme.

-D

> On Jul 10, 2024, at 10:41 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think the chrome wheels and arches are are ugly and wrong, the W123 needs 
> to have Bundts or hubcaps. But I guess not many of these left. Aftermarket 
> radio.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

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Parts are probably worth the ask. Getting that engine sorted, especially the 
fuel system, could be problematic based on the photos and condition. Interior 
sure looks nice, and the body/paint issues don’t look bad at all. Looks like 
it’s got the old “Kangol” seat belts.

-D

> On Jul 10, 2024, at 1:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> Might be worth a look.  Red interior is special, although the engine bay
> seems quite corroded.  Thoughts?
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Re: [MBZ] Want to Tackle a Fuel Delivery Issue?

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That vented front fender is probably worth half the car’s value.

-D

> On Jul 10, 2024, at 9:35 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
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Re: [MBZ] Tidy ML

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Plain Jane version, but appears to be in good shape. And low range wasn’t an 
option - standard on all W163s.

-D

> On Jul 10, 2024, at 9:33 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
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Re: [MBZ] begje interior

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Pretty nice, and the price is pretty good, too. I wonder what the catch is? 
This one’s been up for 6 weeks.

-D

> On Jul 10, 2024, at 9:08 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
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> Very nice conditions. Everything else feels good
> 
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Re: [MBZ] An Odd Duck

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Interesting retrofits. Not bad, really, if it’s mechanically solid.

-D

> On Jul 10, 2024, at 9:24 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Thans FBMP for making these old things randomly pop up on my feed.
> 
> This is interesting.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] One of a Kind

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That certainly adds to the value and uniqueness. Another aging ad - 7 weeks old.

-D

> On Jul 10, 2024, at 8:56 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
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> 
> ...unique vehicle with NO GLOVE compartment!
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Yes $3,500

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And there’s a reason why it’s been listed for four weeks with no takers, but 
some people just can’t read the room…

-D

> On Jul 10, 2024, at 8:34 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> Some people should not be allowed to reproduce for the overall good of 
> humanity 
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Re: [MBZ] Limp Mode

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Only 5 liters of ATF? Can that be correct, or are they assuming you’re not 
draining the torque converter? Has to be…

-D

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Yes that’s a different one. Here’s the correct one:

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On Jul 9, 2024, at 6:57 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
wrote:

$200 dealer part?

FCP Euro wants $950. Or is this something different?

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-transmission-conductor-plate-genuine-mercedes-0002702600


On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, at 18:35, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
I’m the meantime I have replaced many of them, 2 just in the last
month.  Once little secret I will give. Don’t buy the $200 dealer part,
as far as I can tell and have researched the $60 kit all over eBay is
the exact same part. I have used many of these and never had a problem.
I don’t use the filter, connector plug etc that comes in the kit though.


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On Jul 9, 2024, at 5:26 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes  
wrote:

I’ve been corresponding with AZBob on this, although I have little to no 
experience with swapping out conductor plates, I gave him the lowdown on what 
to expect when he scans the car for the first time. A lot of cruft, most 
likely, which after running a report to capture everything he should clear all 
codes, then drive the car for a few days at least if it doesn’t goof up. At 
that point call it an anomaly, hitting the shifter to the “manual” side, or 
heat, who knows? Or, if things really are going south or potentially borked, 
the scan he’ll do in a few days after clearing out the cruft will reveal what’s 
going on in the present.

I’m no proponent of cheap Chinesium scanners, but for the $150 or so that one 
costs, the amount of information you can get from it even if you’re not 
planning on doing the work yourself, is invaluable. I especially like the one I 
recommended to AZBob, as it has a built-in feature that allows you to email a 
copy of the scan results with codes and links to OBDII resources if it’s an 
OBDII code. I know Floyd had one that borked, but mine has held up just fine 
with limited use.

-D

On Jul 9, 2024, at 2:23 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote:

This suggests a failing CP given it might be temperature related. But check the 
cable and connectors first before doing anything else.


--FT
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On Jul 9, 2024, at 1:42 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
wrote:

I'm waiting on the scanner to arrive so I can validate the diagnosis before I 
order parts.

Or, order parts now and just do it because it will likely kack in the future?

AZBob

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Limp Mode

Scan it and see if you have solenoid codes.  Any codes would suggest inability 
for TCM to talk to the conductor plate (I’m assuming 163?). The TCM is under 
the steering wheel a bit to the left, you can pop off the connector and see if 
there is any fluid that has wicked up. If not check the connector at the 
transmission for fluid inside it. If those are dry it’s likely CP time which on 
a 722.6 is not expensive but a bit of a bother to swap (not as much as 722.9). 
Figure $200-250 for new CP and fluid and filter (which you should do anyway if 
it’s been awhile).  Plenty of utubers on how to do the job. Valvoline Maxlife 
is a fluid you can use.

—FT

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On Jul 9, 2024, at 1:43 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
wrote:

After going to the Diamondbacks game to watch another crushing defeat, I got 
in the ML and started driving home and it wouldn’t shift out of what felt like 
second gear. I initially noticed it was very sluggish taking off (like it was 
taking off in second). I’m guessing that’s limp mode. No nasty lights on the 
dash.
Drove home taking surface streets.  Ugh.

Now what?

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] Again, With the Torbo

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Are they getting that pricey these days, Dwight? Considering all of the 
questions/unknowns about this one, I would expect it to be worth below the 
average.

-D

> On Jul 9, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> as someone who watches CD market I think that is a good buy.
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 7:41 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Stop the presses!!
>> He just dropped it to $9,500!
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 8, 2024, at 6:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> These coupes seem to be big money these days.  With the lowish miles
>> and if it is in good condition, $10k might not be too crazy of a price
>> especially since it is a 85. I would prefer $8k, but in reality my goal
>> would be $4k.
>>> 
 On 7/8/2024 4:10 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
 Here is what the seller replied when I asked all the requisite
>> questions:
 
 “I have no information other than this. John, who died, bought the car
>> for $17,000 just before he died. It was delivered to the house parked for
>> at least 2 1/2 years but was started on occasion.  As far as I know, John
>> never got to drive it.
 I have driven the car from the back yard to the front yard. “
 
 Interesting….
 
 AZBob
 
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>> On Jul 8, 2024, at 1:44 PM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:
> 
> 
> I can't shake this one from my brain. I  might go give it a look with
>> money in my pocket but it's so hard to get motivated to do anything
>> outdoors (114 at this present moment, on its way to 118).
> 
> Someone said $5K would be reasonable? I'm not sure how quickly a
>> vehicle unloads in an estate sale. What are coupe red flags?
> 
> I also noticed, this second time looking at it, that there seems to be
>> grease oozing from the driver's front hub. Big deal? Can't say I've ever
>> seen that before.
> 
> Never had a coupe. But I certainly don't want to latch on to something
>> that is going to be more of a headache than having a 45 year old car
>> already is.
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/share/1u8XbVsif3SpK8sR/
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Re: [MBZ] Limp Mode

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If necessary. Don’t get ahead of yourself. Pan plug seals often come with the 
filter. You can use Hengst/Mann/Mahle filters, as long as they’re the actual 
name-brand and not a knockoff. I prefer Mann, but any of these I believe are 
OEM. I get them on Amazon. I’ll also replace the plug and sealing ring no 
matter what. They’re cheap and you’re there.

As someone else mentioned, the Valvoline MaxLife for foreign cars is acceptable 
an dreadily available at FLAPS as well as WallyWhirled, too, I believe.

But wait until you can get a scan. Unless it does it again, which I’m betting 
it won’t.

-D

> On Jul 9, 2024, at 4:24 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> So what I’m reading is:
> 
> ebay CP
> OE connector
> OE filter 
> and then…
> pan gasket 
> plug gasket
> fluid
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2024, at 3:46 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Gotcha. I wondered, since the connector is the first line of defense when 
>> it comes to ATF wicking up the harness. They used to be pretty cheap atthe 
>> stealership, like $10-$12. I’m sure they’re more now, but still cheap 
>> insurance. I like the idea of doing it during a filter change.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2024, at 3:42 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I usually do it anytime I do a CP. might be overkill but usually do it when 
>>> doing a filter change also.  OE yes. The cheap ones never seem to work 
>>> right.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 9, 2024, at 5:39 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve heard similar stories, good to know. Do you still replace the 
>>>> connector anyway using an OE part? I would if they’re still cheap. Or only 
>>>> if it’s been soaked in ATF?
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve done the connector, which isn’t hard, but you really have to be 
>>>> careful not to overtighten it.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 9, 2024, at 3:35 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’m the meantime I have replaced many of them, 2 just in the last month.  
>>>>> Once little secret I will give. Don’t buy the $200 dealer part, as far as 
>>>>> I can tell and have researched the $60 kit all over eBay is the exact 
>>>>> same part. I have used many of these and never had a problem. I don’t use 
>>>>> the filter, connector plug etc that comes in the kit though.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2024, at 5:26 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’ve been corresponding with AZBob on this, although I have little to 
>>>>>> no experience with swapping out conductor plates, I gave him the lowdown 
>>>>>> on what to expect when he scans the car for the first time. A lot of 
>>>>>> cruft, most likely, which after running a report to capture everything 
>>>>>> he should clear all codes, then drive the car for a few days at least if 
>>>>>> it doesn’t goof up. At that point call it an anomaly, hitting the 
>>>>>> shifter to the “manual” side, or heat, who knows? Or, if things really 
>>>>>> are going south or potentially borked, the scan he’ll do in a few days 
>>>>>> after clearing out the cruft will reveal what’s going on in the present.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’m no proponent of cheap Chinesium scanners, but for the $150 or so 
>>>>>> that one costs, the amount of information you can get from it even if 
>>>>>> you’re not planning on doing the work yourself, is invaluable. I 
>>>>>> especially like the one I recommended to AZBob, as it has a built-in 
>>>>>> feature that allows you to email a copy of the scan results with codes 
>>>>>> and links to OBDII resources if it’s an OBDII code. I know Floyd had one 
>>>>>> that borked, but mine has held up just fine with limited use.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -D
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2024, at 2:23 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This suggests a failing CP given it might be temperature related. But 
>>>&

Re: [MBZ] Again, With the Torbo

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

This is like the million dollar house that has been on the market for a long 
time, and they come out with a “price cut” of $5k. Why bother?

-D

> On Jul 9, 2024, at 4:34 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Stop the presses!!
> He just dropped it to $9,500! 
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2024, at 6:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> These coupes seem to be big money these days.  With the lowish miles and if 
>> it is in good condition, $10k might not be too crazy of a price especially 
>> since it is a 85. I would prefer $8k, but in reality my goal would be $4k.
>> 
>>> On 7/8/2024 4:10 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Here is what the seller replied when I asked all the requisite questions:
>>> 
>>> “I have no information other than this. John, who died, bought the car for 
>>> $17,000 just before he died. It was delivered to the house parked for at 
>>> least 2 1/2 years but was started on occasion.  As far as I know, John 
>>> never got to drive it.
>>> I have driven the car from the back yard to the front yard. “
>>> 
>>> Interesting….
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Jul 8, 2024, at 1:44 PM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:
 
 
 I can't shake this one from my brain. I  might go give it a look with 
 money in my pocket but it's so hard to get motivated to do anything 
 outdoors (114 at this present moment, on its way to 118).
 
 Someone said $5K would be reasonable? I'm not sure how quickly a vehicle 
 unloads in an estate sale. What are coupe red flags?
 
 I also noticed, this second time looking at it, that there seems to be 
 grease oozing from the driver's front hub. Big deal? Can't say I've ever 
 seen that before.
 
 Never had a coupe. But I certainly don't want to latch on to something 
 that is going to be more of a headache than having a 45 year old car 
 already is.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Limp Mode

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Did you check to be sure the harness wasn’t full of ATF?

-D

> On Jul 9, 2024, at 4:00 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Interesting, I wonder if a cheap connector is the problem with this 99ML320 I 
> have had sitting around forever, I put a new CP in it along with connector 
> and a newer TCM and it was still in limp mode even after clearing codes (I 
> used my iCarsoft, which has worked on the $600 99E320 when I did the same job 
> on it, the fancy computer wanted to jump into HHTWIN and there was no 163 
> option on the list which was very weird).  I didn't think the connector might 
> be the issue.  I should try a "good" one and see if that cures it.  It's an 
> easy swap once you get it lined up right. And yeah that little bolt is like 
> finger tight.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 7/9/24 6:45 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Gotcha. I wondered, since the connector is the first line of defense when it 
>> comes to ATF wicking up the harness. They used to be pretty cheap atthe 
>> stealership, like $10-$12. I’m sure they’re more now, but still cheap 
>> insurance. I like the idea of doing it during a filter change.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2024, at 3:42 PM, Kaleb Striplin via 
>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I usually do it anytime I do a CP. might be overkill but usually do it when 
>>> doing a filter change also.  OE yes. The cheap ones never seem to work 
>>> right.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 9, 2024, at 5:39 PM, dan penoff.com via 
>>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve heard similar stories, good to know. Do you still replace the 
>>>> connector anyway using an OE part? I would if they’re still cheap. Or only 
>>>> if it’s been soaked in ATF?
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve done the connector, which isn’t hard, but you really have to be 
>>>> careful not to overtighten it.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 9, 2024, at 3:35 PM, Kaleb Striplin via 
>>>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’m the meantime I have replaced many of them, 2 just in the last month.  
>>>>> Once little secret I will give. Don’t buy the $200 dealer part, as far as 
>>>>> I can tell and have researched the $60 kit all over eBay is the exact 
>>>>> same part. I have used many of these and never had a problem. I don’t use 
>>>>> the filter, connector plug etc that comes in the kit though.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2024, at 5:26 PM, dan penoff.com via 
>>>>>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>>>>> I’ve been corresponding with AZBob on this, although I have little to 
>>>>>> no experience with swapping out conductor plates, I gave him the lowdown 
>>>>>> on what to expect when he scans the car for the first time. A lot of 
>>>>>> cruft, most likely, which after running a report to capture everything 
>>>>>> he should clear all codes, then drive the car for a few days at least if 
>>>>>> it doesn’t goof up. At that point call it an anomaly, hitting the 
>>>>>> shifter to the “manual” side, or heat, who knows? Or, if things really 
>>>>>> are going south or potentially borked, the scan he’ll do in a few days 
>>>>>> after clearing out the cruft will reveal what’s going on in the present.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’m no proponent of cheap Chinesium scanners, but for the $150 or so 
>>>>>> that one costs, the amount of information you can get from it even if 
>>>>>> you’re not planning on doing the work yourself, is invaluable. I 
>>>>>> especially like the one I recommended to AZBob, as it has a built-in 
>>>>>> feature that allows you to email a copy of the scan results with codes 
>>>>>> and links to OBDII resources if it’s an OBDII code. I know Floyd had one 
>>>>>> that borked, but mine has held up just fine with limited use.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -D
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2024, at 2:23 PM, Buggered Benzmail via 
>>>>>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This suggests a failing CP given it might be temperature related. But 
>>>>>>> check the cable and connectors first before doing anything else.
>&

Re: [MBZ] Everything was fine until I drove it like an idiot . -- 1997 Mercedes-Benz s-class S 320 SWB Sedan 4D, $1, 500

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

This begs the question, “What ever happened to all of the W140s, especially 
S500s?” I never see any come up for sale it seems like.

-D

> On Jul 9, 2024, at 3:55 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is begging for bigger engine swap, car looks pretty nice
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/994651545782165
> 
> -- 
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