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That’s actually a nice deal for the price based on the information in the ad. 
If the top works and doesn’t leak (hydraulic fluid) and the interior isn’t all 
aged out like they can get, it’s a good deal.

I researched and even looked at and drove a number of these thinking that it 
was the natural progression for Mrs. Dan from her SL500, but she decided not. 
They’re fun little cars, and with the M112 in them they’re pretty 
indestructible. Avoid the supercharged four cylinder versions (SLK230) as they 
can have issues with supercharger seals. I don’t believe it’s a big deal to 
work with, but I avoided them for that reason.

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> On Jul 15, 2024, at 7:08 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> Price is Firm
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Re: [MBZ] begje interior

Picked it up for (if I may use it as a data point for Jr.Italiano on the 
morrow)?

AZBob

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> On Jul 15, 2024, at 8:09 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ok I just picked up an 09 in “limp mode.”  Basically same vehicle I guess. 
> Starts right up and runs ok but won’t accelerate very well (which is not 
> really “runs ok” but you know what I mean). It will get up to speed but 
> slowly. A scan with DAS showed 3 or 4 sensors wonky. The Icarsoft wouldn’t 
> talk to the ECU but DAS did, unclear why. A cheap scanner might not pick 
> those up.  I didn’t spend any time messing with it, will get to that when I 
> bring it home
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2024, at 10:38 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 2008 ML320 CDI
>> Sent from my iPhone
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 On Jul 15, 2024, at 7:26 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Remind me again what car it is
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iFōn
>>> 
> On Jul 15, 2024, at 9:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 There is no telling what he means by limp mode. Will have to scan it
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Jul 15, 2024, at 8:21 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> Finally made arrangements to see this thing with the seller. And of 
> course, when I get there, he says that he doesn’t have the keys that his 
> brother took them accidentally so my first visit was simply looking it 
> over. He bought it at an auction for five grand. It looks, pretty darn 
> good. It’s in limp mode which he didn’t know what it was or how to 
> describe it very well. I’m going to try to meet with him tomorrow when he 
> has the key and put the scanner on it but he says he’s gonna sell it and 
> he’s gonna take a loss on it so I could really make that happen for him. 
> I think because all in all it looks like it’s in pretty darn good shape.  
> there’s no hanging out that would indicate that it has any issues with 
> the oil cooler seals.
> So…limp mode for this would be conductor plate as well, correct?
> I suppose scanning it will tell the tail.
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jul 11, 2024, at 9:16 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Realtor spec
>> 
>> --FT
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>>> For sure.  Nice color combo.
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Re: [MBZ] Suction Doors - 2006 S500 - 130k miles - $8,900

You can buy a newer S550 for that kind of money 
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> Looks nice.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] begje interior

Ok I just picked up an 09 in “limp mode.”  Basically same vehicle I guess. 
Starts right up and runs ok but won’t accelerate very well (which is not really 
“runs ok” but you know what I mean). It will get up to speed but slowly. A scan 
with DAS showed 3 or 4 sensors wonky. The Icarsoft wouldn’t talk to the ECU but 
DAS did, unclear why. A cheap scanner might not pick those up.  I didn’t spend 
any time messing with it, will get to that when I bring it home 

--FT
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> On Jul 15, 2024, at 10:38 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 2008 ML320 CDI
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2024, at 7:26 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Remind me again what car it is
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
 On Jul 15, 2024, at 9:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is no telling what he means by limp mode. Will have to scan it
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Jul 15, 2024, at 8:21 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:

 Finally made arrangements to see this thing with the seller. And of 
 course, when I get there, he says that he doesn’t have the keys that his 
 brother took them accidentally so my first visit was simply looking it 
 over. He bought it at an auction for five grand. It looks, pretty darn 
 good. It’s in limp mode which he didn’t know what it was or how to 
 describe it very well. I’m going to try to meet with him tomorrow when he 
 has the key and put the scanner on it but he says he’s gonna sell it and 
 he’s gonna take a loss on it so I could really make that happen for him. I 
 think because all in all it looks like it’s in pretty darn good shape.  
 there’s no hanging out that would indicate that it has any issues with the 
 oil cooler seals.
 So…limp mode for this would be conductor plate as well, correct?
 I suppose scanning it will tell the tail.

 AZBob

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>> On Jul 11, 2024, at 9:16 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> Realtor spec
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
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>>> On Jul 11, 2024, at 5:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>> For sure.  Nice color combo.
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Re: [MBZ] begje interior

2008 ML320 CDI
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> On Jul 15, 2024, at 7:26 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Remind me again what car it is
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2024, at 9:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> There is no telling what he means by limp mode. Will have to scan it
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 15, 2024, at 8:21 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Finally made arrangements to see this thing with the seller. And of 
>>> course, when I get there, he says that he doesn’t have the keys that his 
>>> brother took them accidentally so my first visit was simply looking it 
>>> over. He bought it at an auction for five grand. It looks, pretty darn 
>>> good. It’s in limp mode which he didn’t know what it was or how to describe 
>>> it very well. I’m going to try to meet with him tomorrow when he has the 
>>> key and put the scanner on it but he says he’s gonna sell it and he’s gonna 
>>> take a loss on it so I could really make that happen for him. I think 
>>> because all in all it looks like it’s in pretty darn good shape.  there’s 
>>> no hanging out that would indicate that it has any issues with the oil 
>>> cooler seals.
>>> So…limp mode for this would be conductor plate as well, correct?
>>> I suppose scanning it will tell the tail.
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Jul 11, 2024, at 9:16 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 Realtor spec
 
 --FT
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Re: [MBZ] begje interior

Price it on safelite.



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> On Jul 15, 2024, at 9:26 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Oh for sure.
> He couldn’t even describe it. I’m pretty sure that’s what he was describing 
> in his broken English. He’s a 22 year old kid fresh from Italy.
> 
> I guess I’ll take 20 pictures of Mr. Franklin and my scanner and start at 
> $1500 (depending on the codes of course) because he kept repeating how he 
> paid $5k for it at the auction and he’s gonna “loose hez shirt” on “dis 
> dizzle”
> I think it can be cleaned up and sorted and be a good driver. Oh, and it 
> needs a windshield. Would I get it insured, wait a couple days then call 
> insurance or just pay to get it replaced? I have no earthly idea how much a 
> proper windshield costs.
> 
> AZBob
> 
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> 
>> On Jul 15, 2024, at 6:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> There is no telling what he means by limp mode. Will have to scan it
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 15, 2024, at 8:21 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Finally made arrangements to see this thing with the seller. And of 
>>> course, when I get there, he says that he doesn’t have the keys that his 
>>> brother took them accidentally so my first visit was simply looking it 
>>> over. He bought it at an auction for five grand. It looks, pretty darn 
>>> good. It’s in limp mode which he didn’t know what it was or how to describe 
>>> it very well. I’m going to try to meet with him tomorrow when he has the 
>>> key and put the scanner on it but he says he’s gonna sell it and he’s gonna 
>>> take a loss on it so I could really make that happen for him. I think 
>>> because all in all it looks like it’s in pretty darn good shape.  there’s 
>>> no hanging out that would indicate that it has any issues with the oil 
>>> cooler seals.
>>> So…limp mode for this would be conductor plate as well, correct?
>>> I suppose scanning it will tell the tail.
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Jul 11, 2024, at 9:16 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 Realtor spec
 
 --FT
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Re: [MBZ] begje interior

Remind me again what car it is

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> On Jul 15, 2024, at 9:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There is no telling what he means by limp mode. Will have to scan it
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2024, at 8:21 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Finally made arrangements to see this thing with the seller. And of course, 
>> when I get there, he says that he doesn’t have the keys that his brother 
>> took them accidentally so my first visit was simply looking it over. He 
>> bought it at an auction for five grand. It looks, pretty darn good. It’s in 
>> limp mode which he didn’t know what it was or how to describe it very well. 
>> I’m going to try to meet with him tomorrow when he has the key and put the 
>> scanner on it but he says he’s gonna sell it and he’s gonna take a loss on 
>> it so I could really make that happen for him. I think because all in all it 
>> looks like it’s in pretty darn good shape.  there’s no hanging out that 
>> would indicate that it has any issues with the oil cooler seals.
>> So…limp mode for this would be conductor plate as well, correct?
>> I suppose scanning it will tell the tail.
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 11, 2024, at 9:16 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Realtor spec
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iFōn
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> On Jul 11, 2024, at 5:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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Re: [MBZ] begje interior

Oh for sure. 
He couldn’t even describe it. I’m pretty sure that’s what he was describing in 
his broken English. He’s a 22 year old kid fresh from Italy. 

I guess I’ll take 20 pictures of Mr. Franklin and my scanner and start at $1500 
(depending on the codes of course) because he kept repeating how he paid $5k 
for it at the auction and he’s gonna “loose hez shirt” on “dis dizzle” 
I think it can be cleaned up and sorted and be a good driver. Oh, and it needs 
a windshield. Would I get it insured, wait a couple days then call insurance or 
just pay to get it replaced? I have no earthly idea how much a proper 
windshield costs. 

AZBob

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> On Jul 15, 2024, at 6:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There is no telling what he means by limp mode. Will have to scan it
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 15, 2024, at 8:21 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Finally made arrangements to see this thing with the seller. And of course, 
>> when I get there, he says that he doesn’t have the keys that his brother 
>> took them accidentally so my first visit was simply looking it over. He 
>> bought it at an auction for five grand. It looks, pretty darn good. It’s in 
>> limp mode which he didn’t know what it was or how to describe it very well. 
>> I’m going to try to meet with him tomorrow when he has the key and put the 
>> scanner on it but he says he’s gonna sell it and he’s gonna take a loss on 
>> it so I could really make that happen for him. I think because all in all it 
>> looks like it’s in pretty darn good shape.  there’s no hanging out that 
>> would indicate that it has any issues with the oil cooler seals.
>> So…limp mode for this would be conductor plate as well, correct?
>> I suppose scanning it will tell the tail.
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 11, 2024, at 9:16 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Realtor spec
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iFōn
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> On Jul 11, 2024, at 5:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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 For sure.  Nice color combo.
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[MBZ] 2002 SLK320 - 83k miles - $7,500

Price is Firm

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[MBZ] Suction Doors - 2006 S500 - 130k miles - $8,900

Looks nice.

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Re: [MBZ] begje interior

There is no telling what he means by limp mode. Will have to scan it 
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> On Jul 15, 2024, at 8:21 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
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> 
> Finally made arrangements to see this thing with the seller. And of course, 
> when I get there, he says that he doesn’t have the keys that his brother took 
> them accidentally so my first visit was simply looking it over. He bought it 
> at an auction for five grand. It looks, pretty darn good. It’s in limp mode 
> which he didn’t know what it was or how to describe it very well. I’m going 
> to try to meet with him tomorrow when he has the key and put the scanner on 
> it but he says he’s gonna sell it and he’s gonna take a loss on it so I could 
> really make that happen for him. I think because all in all it looks like 
> it’s in pretty darn good shape.  there’s no hanging out that would indicate 
> that it has any issues with the oil cooler seals.
> So…limp mode for this would be conductor plate as well, correct?
> I suppose scanning it will tell the tail.
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2024, at 9:16 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Realtor spec
>> 
>> --FT
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>>> For sure.  Nice color combo.
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Finally made arrangements to see this thing with the seller. And of course, 
when I get there, he says that he doesn’t have the keys that his brother took 
them accidentally so my first visit was simply looking it over. He bought it at 
an auction for five grand. It looks, pretty darn good. It’s in limp mode which 
he didn’t know what it was or how to describe it very well. I’m going to try to 
meet with him tomorrow when he has the key and put the scanner on it but he 
says he’s gonna sell it and he’s gonna take a loss on it so I could really make 
that happen for him. I think because all in all it looks like it’s in pretty 
darn good shape.  there’s no hanging out that would indicate that it has any 
issues with the oil cooler seals. 
So…limp mode for this would be conductor plate as well, correct? 
I suppose scanning it will tell the tail.

AZBob

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> Realtor spec
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>> For sure.  Nice color combo.
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One can only imagine how the interior looks...

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> Extra 1 or 0 in price or both
>
> Ran and drove when parked about 5 years ago.
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Re: [MBZ] 2019 GLA250

I’m doing my best to convince her. 

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> I think I would go with toda too.
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>> On Jul 15, 2024, at 5:37 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Something that late model I would go with the Toyota. After researching it, 
>> of course.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 15, 2024, at 3:03 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Cheap entry level tinny.
>> 
>> Go with the yoda
>> 
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>> On Jul 15, 2024, at 6:00 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
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>> My Cali child’s partner is considering this:
>> 
>> 
>> [Cars-PD_OG-IMG.webp]
>> Used 2019 Mercedes-Benz GLA 250 Base For Sale 
>> $23,998
>> cars.com
>> 
>> She’s vacillating between this or 2021ish Toyota CHR Nightshade.
>> Who among us had the scoop on these GLAs? Would it be suitable for a girl 
>> who is reasonably vehicularly aware to drive this around SoCal?
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Re: [MBZ] 2019 GLA250

I would consider Toyota or Lexus. Avoid Honda/Acura. I don't really know much 
about anything that new, but my MIL has a Rav4 that has been pretty bulletproof.

I read a review of the GLA and it observed that "the interior vibe channels an 
Ibiza nightclub."


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> Something that late model I would go with the Toyota. After researching 
> it, of course.
>
> -D
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2024, at 3:03 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>
>
> Cheap entry level tinny.
>
> Go with the yoda
>
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> My Cali child’s partner is considering this:
>
> 
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> Used 2019 Mercedes-Benz GLA 250 Base For Sale 
> $23,998
> cars.com
>
> She’s vacillating between this or 2021ish Toyota CHR Nightshade.
> Who among us had the scoop on these GLAs? Would it be suitable for a 
> girl who is reasonably vehicularly aware to drive this around SoCal?
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Re: [MBZ] 2019 GLA250

I think I would go with toda too. 

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> On Jul 15, 2024, at 5:37 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Something that late model I would go with the Toyota. After researching it, 
> of course.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> On Jul 15, 2024, at 3:03 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Cheap entry level tinny.
> 
> Go with the yoda
> 
> --FT
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> 
> On Jul 15, 2024, at 6:00 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> My Cali child’s partner is considering this:
> 
> 
> [Cars-PD_OG-IMG.webp]
> Used 2019 Mercedes-Benz GLA 250 Base For Sale 
> $23,998
> cars.com
> 
> She’s vacillating between this or 2021ish Toyota CHR Nightshade.
> Who among us had the scoop on these GLAs? Would it be suitable for a girl who 
> is reasonably vehicularly aware to drive this around SoCal?
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Re: [MBZ] 2019 GLA250

Something that late model I would go with the Toyota. After researching it, of 
course.

-D


On Jul 15, 2024, at 3:03 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Cheap entry level tinny.

Go with the yoda

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wrote:

My Cali child’s partner is considering this:


[Cars-PD_OG-IMG.webp]
Used 2019 Mercedes-Benz GLA 250 Base For Sale 
$23,998
cars.com

She’s vacillating between this or 2021ish Toyota CHR Nightshade.
Who among us had the scoop on these GLAs? Would it be suitable for a girl who 
is reasonably vehicularly aware to drive this around SoCal?

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] Selling due to transmission slipping but drives. 2004 Mercedes-Benz sl-class SL 600 Roadster 2D, $10, 500


This would work well plus could serve as a parts washing bin

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1890129511452305

Just prop one end up a bit to get some slope for drainage, run a bead of 
silicone to divert fluid into the sink and drain


--FT

On 7/15/24 4:56 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I have seen them pop up for sale from time to time but never snagged one. Last 
time I saw one it sold almost as soon as it was posted.

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On Jul 15, 2024, at 3:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:

What, you don’t have one?

And yes, you’re right - that thing they use to put the body’s head on would be 
perfect for the tailshaft housing to rest on.

-D


On Jul 15, 2024, at 1:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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An embalming table would be perfect for this.


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Re: [MBZ] Selling due to transmission slipping but drives. 2004 Mercedes-Benz sl-class SL 600 Roadster 2D, $10, 500

2024-07-15 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes



Does Harbor Freight have some sort of assembly table with drains?

Randy

On 15/07/2024 4:06 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Make a table out of plywood, cover it with sheet metal, put some rain gutters 
around the sides.

On Mon, Jul 15, 2024, at 16:56, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I have seen them pop up for sale from time to time but never snagged
one. Last time I saw one it sold almost as soon as it was posted.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 15, 2024, at 3:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:

What, you don’t have one?

And yes, you’re right - that thing they use to put the body’s head on would be 
perfect for the tailshaft housing to rest on.

-D


On Jul 15, 2024, at 1:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

An embalming table would be perfect for this.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 15, 2024, at 3:47 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Rebuilding automatic transmissions is far from rocket science. In fact, it's 
pretty simple for the most part. Make sure you have a place to work that’s 
clean, an area to disassemble that can get oily/dirty, and some high quality 
snap ring pliers and you should be good. I’m sure the more modern/electronic 
they get the more difficult it will be, but something like a 722.x can’t be 
that difficult.

-D


On Jul 15, 2024, at 1:42 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

I watched a couple of vids about rebuilding 722.6s and 722.9s.  They are 
actually quite easy to rebuild, you just have to keep track of the bits and 
keep everything really clean.  Stuff just comes apart like a 3D puzzle and the 
vids show it very clearly.  I think there are manuals for it too, I might have 
downloaded one.  The rebuild kits are like $300, just some clutches and such.  
On 722.9s the pump can go bad and you need a new front housing of the unit that 
the pump works in but a junkyard unit would probably be OK.

The hard part is getting it out of the car without pulling the engine, I don't 
know how hard that would be in a R230 but it is probably pretty tight to get at 
all the bolts.  A lift and trans jack would help a lot.

--FT


On 7/15/24 4:13 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
I would bet that a new/rebuilt transmission would cost a lot more than "2-3 
grand".


On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 3:13 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:

This tempts... I believe this is a 722.6 which should be pretty
stout so
not sure what the problem could be unless it was run low on fluid and
abused which is entirely possible. Rebuilds are not difficult once
it is
out of the car. Looks like a lot of work on it. This engine is
actually
pretty reliable too. My rational brain says RUN AWAY but my
passions
say... laws hep me!

Twin Turbo 12 cylinder. Renntech Modified, can be returned to
stock with
device. Absolute thrill of a car. Many services done including ABC
struts, motor mounts, convertible roof, etc. I purchased recently
from a
coworker and the transmission started slipping. Runs and drives
but most
likely will need replacement down the road unless it is a
transmission
solenoid/conductor plate or sensor issue. I have performed a fluid
change and filter replacement but did not help. I don’t have the
funds
at the minute to dish out a 2-3 thousand for a transmission
rebuild/replacement. May slightly negotiate in person. If you ask
me “is
it available” I will ignore you. If it’s up, it is available. No
trades.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/8164972506902741

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Re: [MBZ] Selling due to transmission slipping but drives. 2004 Mercedes-Benz sl-class SL 600 Roadster 2D, $10, 500

Make a table out of plywood, cover it with sheet metal, put some rain gutters 
around the sides.

On Mon, Jul 15, 2024, at 16:56, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> I have seen them pop up for sale from time to time but never snagged 
> one. Last time I saw one it sold almost as soon as it was posted. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 15, 2024, at 3:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> What, you don’t have one?
>> 
>> And yes, you’re right - that thing they use to put the body’s head on would 
>> be perfect for the tailshaft housing to rest on.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 15, 2024, at 1:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> An embalming table would be perfect for this.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Jul 15, 2024, at 3:47 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 Rebuilding automatic transmissions is far from rocket science. In fact, 
 it's pretty simple for the most part. Make sure you have a place to work 
 that’s clean, an area to disassemble that can get oily/dirty, and some 
 high quality snap ring pliers and you should be good. I’m sure the more 
 modern/electronic they get the more difficult it will be, but something 
 like a 722.x can’t be that difficult.
 
 -D
 
> On Jul 15, 2024, at 1:42 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I watched a couple of vids about rebuilding 722.6s and 722.9s.  They are 
> actually quite easy to rebuild, you just have to keep track of the bits 
> and keep everything really clean.  Stuff just comes apart like a 3D 
> puzzle and the vids show it very clearly.  I think there are manuals for 
> it too, I might have downloaded one.  The rebuild kits are like $300, 
> just some clutches and such.  On 722.9s the pump can go bad and you need 
> a new front housing of the unit that the pump works in but a junkyard 
> unit would probably be OK.
> 
> The hard part is getting it out of the car without pulling the engine, I 
> don't know how hard that would be in a R230 but it is probably pretty 
> tight to get at all the bolts.  A lift and trans jack would help a lot.
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 7/15/24 4:13 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>> I would bet that a new/rebuilt transmission would cost a lot more than 
>> "2-3 grand".
>> 
>>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 3:13 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This tempts... I believe this is a 722.6 which should be pretty
>> stout so
>> not sure what the problem could be unless it was run low on fluid and
>> abused which is entirely possible. Rebuilds are not difficult once
>> it is
>> out of the car. Looks like a lot of work on it. This engine is
>> actually
>> pretty reliable too. My rational brain says RUN AWAY but my
>> passions
>> say... laws hep me!
>> 
>> Twin Turbo 12 cylinder. Renntech Modified, can be returned to
>> stock with
>> device. Absolute thrill of a car. Many services done including ABC
>> struts, motor mounts, convertible roof, etc. I purchased recently
>> from a
>> coworker and the transmission started slipping. Runs and drives
>> but most
>> likely will need replacement down the road unless it is a
>> transmission
>> solenoid/conductor plate or sensor issue. I have performed a fluid
>> change and filter replacement but did not help. I don’t have the
>> funds
>> at the minute to dish out a 2-3 thousand for a transmission
>> rebuild/replacement. May slightly negotiate in person. If you ask
>> me “is
>> it available” I will ignore you. If it’s up, it is available. No
>> trades.
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/8164972506902741
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Selling due to transmission slipping but drives. 2004 Mercedes-Benz sl-class SL 600 Roadster 2D, $10, 500

I have seen them pop up for sale from time to time but never snagged one. Last 
time I saw one it sold almost as soon as it was posted. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 15, 2024, at 3:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What, you don’t have one?
> 
> And yes, you’re right - that thing they use to put the body’s head on would 
> be perfect for the tailshaft housing to rest on.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2024, at 1:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> An embalming table would be perfect for this.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 15, 2024, at 3:47 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Rebuilding automatic transmissions is far from rocket science. In fact, 
>>> it's pretty simple for the most part. Make sure you have a place to work 
>>> that’s clean, an area to disassemble that can get oily/dirty, and some high 
>>> quality snap ring pliers and you should be good. I’m sure the more 
>>> modern/electronic they get the more difficult it will be, but something 
>>> like a 722.x can’t be that difficult.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Jul 15, 2024, at 1:42 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I watched a couple of vids about rebuilding 722.6s and 722.9s.  They are 
 actually quite easy to rebuild, you just have to keep track of the bits 
 and keep everything really clean.  Stuff just comes apart like a 3D puzzle 
 and the vids show it very clearly.  I think there are manuals for it too, 
 I might have downloaded one.  The rebuild kits are like $300, just some 
 clutches and such.  On 722.9s the pump can go bad and you need a new front 
 housing of the unit that the pump works in but a junkyard unit would 
 probably be OK.
 
 The hard part is getting it out of the car without pulling the engine, I 
 don't know how hard that would be in a R230 but it is probably pretty 
 tight to get at all the bolts.  A lift and trans jack would help a lot.
 
 --FT
 
> On 7/15/24 4:13 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> I would bet that a new/rebuilt transmission would cost a lot more than 
> "2-3 grand".
> 
>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 3:13 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> This tempts... I believe this is a 722.6 which should be pretty
> stout so
> not sure what the problem could be unless it was run low on fluid and
> abused which is entirely possible. Rebuilds are not difficult once
> it is
> out of the car. Looks like a lot of work on it. This engine is
> actually
> pretty reliable too. My rational brain says RUN AWAY but my
> passions
> say... laws hep me!
> 
> Twin Turbo 12 cylinder. Renntech Modified, can be returned to
> stock with
> device. Absolute thrill of a car. Many services done including ABC
> struts, motor mounts, convertible roof, etc. I purchased recently
> from a
> coworker and the transmission started slipping. Runs and drives
> but most
> likely will need replacement down the road unless it is a
> transmission
> solenoid/conductor plate or sensor issue. I have performed a fluid
> change and filter replacement but did not help. I don’t have the
> funds
> at the minute to dish out a 2-3 thousand for a transmission
> rebuild/replacement. May slightly negotiate in person. If you ask
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> trades.
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[MBZ] can not be drove away 1987 Mercedes 300 td wagon Diesel, $1, 500


Extra 1 or 0 in price or both

Ran and drove when parked about 5 years ago.

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Re: [MBZ] oooooh the luscious factor is off the scale -- 1969 Mercedes-Benz 300sel 6.3L Right Hand Drive, $35, 000

2024-07-15 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes


Looks to be very close to the colour of my 1976 W115 300D.

Randy

On 15/07/2024 3:52 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Sure looks like it, with the requisite bubbling underneath at the base of the 
left “C” pillar, too. Beautiful color, not sure it’s factory, though.

-D


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wrote:

Vinyl roof?

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Re: [MBZ] Selling due to transmission slipping but drives. 2004 Mercedes-Benz sl-class SL 600 Roadster 2D, $10, 500

What, you don’t have one?

And yes, you’re right - that thing they use to put the body’s head on would be 
perfect for the tailshaft housing to rest on.

-D

> On Jul 15, 2024, at 1:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> An embalming table would be perfect for this.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2024, at 3:47 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Rebuilding automatic transmissions is far from rocket science. In fact, 
>> it's pretty simple for the most part. Make sure you have a place to work 
>> that’s clean, an area to disassemble that can get oily/dirty, and some high 
>> quality snap ring pliers and you should be good. I’m sure the more 
>> modern/electronic they get the more difficult it will be, but something like 
>> a 722.x can’t be that difficult.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 15, 2024, at 1:42 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I watched a couple of vids about rebuilding 722.6s and 722.9s.  They are 
>>> actually quite easy to rebuild, you just have to keep track of the bits and 
>>> keep everything really clean.  Stuff just comes apart like a 3D puzzle and 
>>> the vids show it very clearly.  I think there are manuals for it too, I 
>>> might have downloaded one.  The rebuild kits are like $300, just some 
>>> clutches and such.  On 722.9s the pump can go bad and you need a new front 
>>> housing of the unit that the pump works in but a junkyard unit would 
>>> probably be OK.
>>> 
>>> The hard part is getting it out of the car without pulling the engine, I 
>>> don't know how hard that would be in a R230 but it is probably pretty tight 
>>> to get at all the bolts.  A lift and trans jack would help a lot.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
 On 7/15/24 4:13 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
 I would bet that a new/rebuilt transmission would cost a lot more than 
 "2-3 grand".

> On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 3:13 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:

  This tempts... I believe this is a 722.6 which should be pretty
  stout so
  not sure what the problem could be unless it was run low on fluid and
  abused which is entirely possible. Rebuilds are not difficult once
  it is
  out of the car. Looks like a lot of work on it. This engine is
  actually
  pretty reliable too. My rational brain says RUN AWAY but my
  passions
  say... laws hep me!

  Twin Turbo 12 cylinder. Renntech Modified, can be returned to
  stock with
  device. Absolute thrill of a car. Many services done including ABC
  struts, motor mounts, convertible roof, etc. I purchased recently
  from a
  coworker and the transmission started slipping. Runs and drives
  but most
  likely will need replacement down the road unless it is a
  transmission
  solenoid/conductor plate or sensor issue. I have performed a fluid
  change and filter replacement but did not help. I don’t have the
  funds
  at the minute to dish out a 2-3 thousand for a transmission
  rebuild/replacement. May slightly negotiate in person. If you ask
  me “is
  it available” I will ignore you. If it’s up, it is available. No
  trades.

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[MBZ] mmmm tasty -- gray market car imported from Europe. 1983 Mercedes-Benz 280ce, $12, 000


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Re: [MBZ] oooooh the luscious factor is off the scale -- 1969 Mercedes-Benz 300sel 6.3L Right Hand Drive, $35, 000

Sure looks like it, with the requisite bubbling underneath at the base of the 
left “C” pillar, too. Beautiful color, not sure it’s factory, though.

-D

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Re: [MBZ] Selling due to transmission slipping but drives. 2004 Mercedes-Benz sl-class SL 600 Roadster 2D, $10, 500

An embalming table would be perfect for this.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 15, 2024, at 3:47 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Rebuilding automatic transmissions is far from rocket science. In fact, it's 
> pretty simple for the most part. Make sure you have a place to work that’s 
> clean, an area to disassemble that can get oily/dirty, and some high quality 
> snap ring pliers and you should be good. I’m sure the more modern/electronic 
> they get the more difficult it will be, but something like a 722.x can’t be 
> that difficult.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2024, at 1:42 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I watched a couple of vids about rebuilding 722.6s and 722.9s.  They are 
>> actually quite easy to rebuild, you just have to keep track of the bits and 
>> keep everything really clean.  Stuff just comes apart like a 3D puzzle and 
>> the vids show it very clearly.  I think there are manuals for it too, I 
>> might have downloaded one.  The rebuild kits are like $300, just some 
>> clutches and such.  On 722.9s the pump can go bad and you need a new front 
>> housing of the unit that the pump works in but a junkyard unit would 
>> probably be OK.
>> 
>> The hard part is getting it out of the car without pulling the engine, I 
>> don't know how hard that would be in a R230 but it is probably pretty tight 
>> to get at all the bolts.  A lift and trans jack would help a lot.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>>> On 7/15/24 4:13 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>> I would bet that a new/rebuilt transmission would cost a lot more than "2-3 
>>> grand".
>>> 
 On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 3:13 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   This tempts... I believe this is a 722.6 which should be pretty
>>>   stout so
>>>   not sure what the problem could be unless it was run low on fluid and
>>>   abused which is entirely possible. Rebuilds are not difficult once
>>>   it is
>>>   out of the car. Looks like a lot of work on it. This engine is
>>>   actually
>>>   pretty reliable too. My rational brain says RUN AWAY but my
>>>   passions
>>>   say... laws hep me!
>>> 
>>>   Twin Turbo 12 cylinder. Renntech Modified, can be returned to
>>>   stock with
>>>   device. Absolute thrill of a car. Many services done including ABC
>>>   struts, motor mounts, convertible roof, etc. I purchased recently
>>>   from a
>>>   coworker and the transmission started slipping. Runs and drives
>>>   but most
>>>   likely will need replacement down the road unless it is a
>>>   transmission
>>>   solenoid/conductor plate or sensor issue. I have performed a fluid
>>>   change and filter replacement but did not help. I don’t have the
>>>   funds
>>>   at the minute to dish out a 2-3 thousand for a transmission
>>>   rebuild/replacement. May slightly negotiate in person. If you ask
>>>   me “is
>>>   it available” I will ignore you. If it’s up, it is available. No
>>>   trades.
>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Selling due to transmission slipping but drives. 2004 Mercedes-Benz sl-class SL 600 Roadster 2D, $10, 500

Rebuilding automatic transmissions is far from rocket science. In fact, it's 
pretty simple for the most part. Make sure you have a place to work that’s 
clean, an area to disassemble that can get oily/dirty, and some high quality 
snap ring pliers and you should be good. I’m sure the more modern/electronic 
they get the more difficult it will be, but something like a 722.x can’t be 
that difficult.

-D

> On Jul 15, 2024, at 1:42 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I watched a couple of vids about rebuilding 722.6s and 722.9s.  They are 
> actually quite easy to rebuild, you just have to keep track of the bits and 
> keep everything really clean.  Stuff just comes apart like a 3D puzzle and 
> the vids show it very clearly.  I think there are manuals for it too, I might 
> have downloaded one.  The rebuild kits are like $300, just some clutches and 
> such.  On 722.9s the pump can go bad and you need a new front housing of the 
> unit that the pump works in but a junkyard unit would probably be OK.
> 
> The hard part is getting it out of the car without pulling the engine, I 
> don't know how hard that would be in a R230 but it is probably pretty tight 
> to get at all the bolts.  A lift and trans jack would help a lot.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 7/15/24 4:13 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>> I would bet that a new/rebuilt transmission would cost a lot more than "2-3 
>> grand".
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 3:13 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>This tempts... I believe this is a 722.6 which should be pretty
>>stout so
>>not sure what the problem could be unless it was run low on fluid and
>>abused which is entirely possible. Rebuilds are not difficult once
>>it is
>>out of the car. Looks like a lot of work on it. This engine is
>>actually
>>pretty reliable too. My rational brain says RUN AWAY but my
>>passions
>>say... laws hep me!
>> 
>>Twin Turbo 12 cylinder. Renntech Modified, can be returned to
>>stock with
>>device. Absolute thrill of a car. Many services done including ABC
>>struts, motor mounts, convertible roof, etc. I purchased recently
>>from a
>>coworker and the transmission started slipping. Runs and drives
>>but most
>>likely will need replacement down the road unless it is a
>>transmission
>>solenoid/conductor plate or sensor issue. I have performed a fluid
>>change and filter replacement but did not help. I don’t have the
>>funds
>>at the minute to dish out a 2-3 thousand for a transmission
>>rebuild/replacement. May slightly negotiate in person. If you ask
>>me “is
>>it available” I will ignore you. If it’s up, it is available. No
>>trades.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Selling due to transmission slipping but drives. 2004 Mercedes-Benz sl-class SL 600 Roadster 2D, $10, 500

I watched a couple of vids about rebuilding 722.6s and 722.9s.  They are 
actually quite easy to rebuild, you just have to keep track of the bits 
and keep everything really clean.  Stuff just comes apart like a 3D 
puzzle and the vids show it very clearly.  I think there are manuals for 
it too, I might have downloaded one.  The rebuild kits are like $300, 
just some clutches and such.  On 722.9s the pump can go bad and you need 
a new front housing of the unit that the pump works in but a junkyard 
unit would probably be OK.


The hard part is getting it out of the car without pulling the engine, I 
don't know how hard that would be in a R230 but it is probably pretty 
tight to get at all the bolts.  A lift and trans jack would help a lot.


--FT

On 7/15/24 4:13 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
I would bet that a new/rebuilt transmission would cost a lot more than 
"2-3 grand".


On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 3:13 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:


This tempts... I believe this is a 722.6 which should be pretty
stout so
not sure what the problem could be unless it was run low on fluid and
abused which is entirely possible. Rebuilds are not difficult once
it is
out of the car. Looks like a lot of work on it. This engine is
actually
pretty reliable too. My rational brain says RUN AWAY but my
passions
say... laws hep me!

Twin Turbo 12 cylinder. Renntech Modified, can be returned to
stock with
device. Absolute thrill of a car. Many services done including ABC
struts, motor mounts, convertible roof, etc. I purchased recently
from a
coworker and the transmission started slipping. Runs and drives
but most
likely will need replacement down the road unless it is a
transmission
solenoid/conductor plate or sensor issue. I have performed a fluid
change and filter replacement but did not help. I don’t have the
funds
at the minute to dish out a 2-3 thousand for a transmission
rebuild/replacement. May slightly negotiate in person. If you ask
me “is
it available” I will ignore you. If it’s up, it is available. No
trades.

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Re: [MBZ] Selling due to transmission slipping but drives. 2004 Mercedes-Benz sl-class SL 600 Roadster 2D, $10, 500

I would bet that a new/rebuilt transmission would cost a lot more than "2-3
grand".

On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 3:13 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This tempts... I believe this is a 722.6 which should be pretty stout so
> not sure what the problem could be unless it was run low on fluid and
> abused which is entirely possible. Rebuilds are not difficult once it is
> out of the car. Looks like a lot of work on it. This engine is actually
> pretty reliable too. My rational brain says RUN AWAY but my passions
> say... laws hep me!
>
> Twin Turbo 12 cylinder. Renntech Modified, can be returned to stock with
> device. Absolute thrill of a car. Many services done including ABC
> struts, motor mounts, convertible roof, etc. I purchased recently from a
> coworker and the transmission started slipping. Runs and drives but most
> likely will need replacement down the road unless it is a transmission
> solenoid/conductor plate or sensor issue. I have performed a fluid
> change and filter replacement but did not help. I don’t have the funds
> at the minute to dish out a 2-3 thousand for a transmission
> rebuild/replacement. May slightly negotiate in person. If you ask me “is
> it available” I will ignore you. If it’s up, it is available. No trades.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Rough as a Cob but Cheap

Label it "a survivor" and find some paperwork linking prior ownership to
John Voight.

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> Yes. Typically it would not be worth the ask much less the time to put
> into it. The Fakebook idiot factor is the unknown here.
>
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> > On Jul 15, 2024, at 1:58 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> >
> > You could flip that in Hippie Havens for some good profit once cleaned
> up a bit and running, or sell it on the FB groups where idiots have the
> vapors over these things
> >
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> >
> >> On 7/15/24 2:44 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
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> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Rough as a Cob but Cheap

Yea, not JonSent from my iPhoneOn Jul 15, 2024, at 3:16 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:Label it "a survivor" and find some paperwork linking prior ownership to John Voight.On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 3:07 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  wrote:Yes. Typically it would not be worth the ask much less the time to put into it. The Fakebook idiot factor is the unknown here. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 15, 2024, at 1:58 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> You could flip that in Hippie Havens for some good profit once cleaned up a bit and running, or sell it on the FB groups where idiots have the vapors over these things
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 7/15/24 2:44 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] Have small issues but will start and run 2009 Mercedes-Benz gl-class GL 450 Sport Utility 4D, $4, 500

Three row seating makes this potentially a decent deal.

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> but you couldn't go anywhere because it is slammed (small issue), and
> why were you getting at the battery compartment (small issue)? And the
> airbag light...
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Re: [MBZ] Damn....I Just Sold My Land in Nicaragua.

Painful to see.

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> Onter only boll of sale...MB's are seating for three yearsso don
> askwad drivable.
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[MBZ] Have small issues but will start and run 2009 Mercedes-Benz gl-class GL 450 Sport Utility 4D, $4, 500

but you couldn't go anywhere because it is slammed (small issue), and 
why were you getting at the battery compartment (small issue)? And the 
airbag light...


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/504527885479500


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[MBZ] Car has been in storage for 5 years 2003 Mercedes-Benz clk-class CLK 55 AMG Coupe 2D, $4, 500

This would likely be great fun but after sitting might need a lot of 
going-through.  Price still not to bad for a 55 though NA.  Cash would 
probably talk strongly in negotiations.


Rare 2003 Mercedes clk55 AMG only 761 of these cars were built in 2003. 
5.4 l naturally aspirated. 5 speed automatic. Car has been in storage 
for 5 years after it developed a radiator leak. I have a brand new 
radiator just never put it in. I was hoping to keep the car but have 
developed health issues & decided to sell it.4,500 Firm


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1660655391433668

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[MBZ] 164 with hitch, looks decent, good price -- 2009 Mercedes-Benz m-class ML 550 Sport Utility 4D, $3, 500


Seats might be trashed, I have a good complete interior same color

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[MBZ] Will run and drive on jump start, battery low from sitting. 2006 Mercedes-Benz cls-class CLS 55 AMG Coupe 4D, $10, 000

Why is it sitting?  Why has it not been started/driven to charge up the 
battery?  For $10k why don't you get a new battery or a charger?  Are 
you a complete FBMP moron?


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1725130994889930/

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[MBZ] I think this was posted before but appears not to have sold -- 1988 Mercedes-Benz 300 ce Coupe 2D, $2, 500

Looks pretty nice and the price for a 124 coupé is quite good.  
White/gray kinda bland but looks to be in good condition.  The grill 
looks to be chinee ebay thing and is horrific but easily rectifiable.


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/7620781314710457

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[MBZ] Selling due to transmission slipping but drives. 2004 Mercedes-Benz sl-class SL 600 Roadster 2D, $10, 500

This tempts... I believe this is a 722.6 which should be pretty stout so 
not sure what the problem could be unless it was run low on fluid and 
abused which is entirely possible. Rebuilds are not difficult once it is 
out of the car. Looks like a lot of work on it. This engine is actually 
pretty reliable too. My rational brain says RUN AWAY but my passions 
say... laws hep me!


Twin Turbo 12 cylinder. Renntech Modified, can be returned to stock with 
device. Absolute thrill of a car. Many services done including ABC 
struts, motor mounts, convertible roof, etc. I purchased recently from a 
coworker and the transmission started slipping. Runs and drives but most 
likely will need replacement down the road unless it is a transmission 
solenoid/conductor plate or sensor issue. I have performed a fluid 
change and filter replacement but did not help. I don’t have the funds 
at the minute to dish out a 2-3 thousand for a transmission 
rebuild/replacement. May slightly negotiate in person. If you ask me “is 
it available” I will ignore you. If it’s up, it is available. No trades.


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Re: [MBZ] Rough as a Cob but Cheap

Yes. Typically it would not be worth the ask much less the time to put into it. 
The Fakebook idiot factor is the unknown here. 

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> You could flip that in Hippie Havens for some good profit once cleaned up a 
> bit and running, or sell it on the FB groups where idiots have the vapors 
> over these things
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[MBZ] My name is Briggs and I’m selling my sisters car for her. 2007 Mercedes-Benz m-class ML 350 Sport Utility 4D,$2,500

If the engine is not trashed at 186kmi it is probably OK.  Looks pretty 
decent and for the money might be worth it.  No hitch.  I have no idea 
what the software update thing is, maybe the navi system?


The only two things wrong are the AC doesn’t blow cold & radio needs 
software update. We live in a county that doesn’t require emissions, so 
we haven’t ever tried. Besides that, it runs perfectly fine and drives 
smooth.


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Re: [MBZ] Rough as a Cob but Cheap

You could flip that in Hippie Havens for some good profit once cleaned 
up a bit and running, or sell it on the FB groups where idiots have the 
vapors over these things


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On 7/15/24 2:44 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

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Re: [MBZ] Rough as a Cob but Cheap

Yea rough and cheap. 


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[MBZ] Rough as a Cob but Cheap

https://www.facebook.com/share/QtWNSG76dzZxkwwf/

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[MBZ] Damn....I Just Sold My Land in Nicaragua.

https://www.facebook.com/share/RGqUpHUW5f3Apxz9/

Onter only boll of sale...MB's are seating for three yearsso don askwad 
drivable.

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[MBZ] 5 Speed 300E on BAT

I test drove one of these back in the 90s but it was too boring for my
taste.  Now they may be a hot ticket.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1986-mercedes-benz-300e-34/
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Re: [MBZ] 2006 CLS55 AMG - 106k miles - $22,000

It is crazy by factor of 2. For that money you can find newer 63s that offer a 
lot more performance and amenities 

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> It's a nice looking car but am I wrong that the price seems crazy?
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> https://lexington.craigslist.org/cto/d/lexington-2006-mercedes-benz-cls55-amg/7766077466.html
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[MBZ] 2006 CLS55 AMG - 106k miles - $22,000

It's a nice looking car but am I wrong that the price seems crazy?

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Re: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair

I’ve done my own as well as paid for it to be done, and all I can say is it was 
far cheaper in so many ways to have it done I would never DIY it again, except 
maybe for an R129. They’re really simple since the top is removable. That said, 
it’s a mess and you’ll never, ever get all the old glue off the headliner 
board. You can save some money by R&R’ing it and taking it to your 
headliner/upholstery shop, but to be honest, they’re so good at it I found the 
difference in price to be marginal at best. 

-D

> On Jul 14, 2024, at 3:09 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What has happened is that the rubber foam under the fabric has fallen apart, 
> and glue won't do you much good, more dead foam will simply peel off.
> 
> The fix is to remove the headliner panel, scrape all the dead foam and old 
> glue off, and glue fresh material in it's place.  JoAnn used to have the 
> correct material, but you may have to source it somewhere else.
> 
> Someday I may do this in the Golf, this one is coming down (the older one was 
> still fine), but as long as it doesn't interfere with vision I'll leave it.  
> More serious things to worry about on that car.
> 
> Peter
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Sent: Jul 14, 2024 2:04 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Allan Streib 
> Subject: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair
> 
> I think the answer is "no" but is there an effective DIY approach to dealing 
> with a sagging headliner? In the past I've tried 3M sticky spray and it 
> initially works but not for long.
> 
> If not, what sort of shop do I look for? There's one shop locally that 
> advertises repairs that are typically in the $250-$500 range.
> 
> Car in question is my W211 E500. Headliner is not down but it's sagging over 
> the rear window shelf and seat back area, it flaps around in the breeze if I 
> have the rear windows open.
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Re: [MBZ] 2002 CL 500 - 128k miles -$4,500

2024-07-14 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes

Not unreasonable. The head unit kinda butchers up the wood panel though

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> Looks nice enough, black/black and miles are pretty low. Coupe. Looks like 
> it has an aftermarket audio head/screen unit.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair

2024-07-14 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes

What has happened is that the rubber foam under the fabric has fallen apart, 
and glue won't do you much good, more dead foam will simply peel off.

The fix is to remove the headliner panel, scrape all the dead foam and old glue 
off, and glue fresh material in it's place.  JoAnn used to have the correct 
material, but you may have to source it somewhere else.

Someday I may do this in the Golf, this one is coming down (the older one was 
still fine), but as long as it doesn't interfere with vision I'll leave it.  
More serious things to worry about on that car.

Peter
-Original Message-
From: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Jul 14, 2024 2:04 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Allan Streib 
Subject: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair

I think the answer is "no" but is there an effective DIY approach to dealing 
with a sagging headliner? In the past I've tried 3M sticky spray and it 
initially works but not for long.

If not, what sort of shop do I look for? There's one shop locally that 
advertises repairs that are typically in the $250-$500 range.

Car in question is my W211 E500. Headliner is not down but it's sagging over 
the rear window shelf and seat back area, it flaps around in the breeze if I 
have the rear windows open.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair

The seller is firm at $4k, b/c it's "all original".  But he's unwilling to
get it started/moving.

On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at 5:27 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I would add that while implied, I didn’t point out that the headliner is
> glued down to the roof at the top of the windshield and rear window. The
> dark brown stuff you see is old glue, probably hide glue (as in made out of
> rendered animals.) You can’t really do a proper headliner install on these
> cars without removing the windshield and rear window seals. The fabric
> actually wraps around the weldment of the window opening in some places, so
> trhying to “cheat” and jus ttuck it under means having to try and jam a
> bunch of fabric where it doesn’t belong, or trimming it during installation
> (very risky!)
>
> And again, it’s the perfect opportunity to replace the windshield and rear
> window seals, too. With OE rubber, of course!
>
> -D
>
> On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:17 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Common, mainly because the back corners are anchored to the rear (C)
> pillar under the paneling that covers the pillar, and as the material ages
> it shrinks and pulls out. It’s probably got some of the brown discoloration
> on it as well.
>
> I can’t speak to the W108s, but four years ago or thereabouts when I was
> doing the W111 220SEb a new headliner, complete from Mercedes, was under
> $200 and on the shelf in Germany.
>
> But - it cost quite a bit to have it replaced. That’s mainly because I had
> both from and rear glass removed so new seals could be installed. Money
> well spent and the ideal time to do it all.
>
> -D
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  > wrote:
>
> 
> The headliner in the local W108 4.5 is sagging in the rear.  Otherwise, is
> taut.
>
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at 3:34 PM dan penoff.com<
> http://penoff.com> via Mercedes  > wrote:
> Older cars with headliners that were installed with bows.
>
> -D
>
> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> These are problems older cars never had.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:18 PM, dan penoff.com<
> http://penoff.com> via Mercedes  > wrote:
>
> These:
>
>
> <
> https://www.amazon.com/Attmu-Upholstery-Slipcovers-Bedskirts-Inches/dp/B00Q87O00U/?th=1
> >
>
> [41aGnOJcKrL._SR600,315_PIWhiteStrip,BottomLeft,0,35_PIStarRatingFOURANDHALF,BottomLeft,360,-6_SR600,315_ZA9%2C272,445,290,400,400,AmazonEmberBold,12,4,0,0,5_SCLZZZ_FMpng_BG255,255,255.jpg]
> Attmu 50 Pcs Upholstery Tacks Headliner Pins Clear Heads Twist Pins for
> Slipcovers and Bedskirts, 0.5 Inches Bed Skirt Pins<
> https://www.amazon.com/Attmu-Upholstery-Slipcovers-Bedskirts-Inches/dp/B00Q87O00U/?th=1
> >
> amazon.com><
> https://www.amazon.com/Attmu-Upholstery-Slipcovers-Bedskirts-Inches/dp/B00Q87O00U/?th=1
> >
>
> -D
>
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:07 PM, dan penoff.com<
> http://penoff.com> via Mercedes  > wrote:
>
> Very common in W210 and W211s, especially if they’ve lived in a hot
> climate.
>
> I’ve seen people use the little “corkscrew” pins to hold it up, but
> remember, you’re poking into a fiberglass panel in most cases, and it’s not
> going to like it.
>
> -D
>
> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:02 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> I think the answer is "no" but is there an effective DIY approach to
> dealing with a sagging headliner? In the past I've tried 3M sticky spray
> and it initially works but not for long.
>
> If not, what sort of shop do I look for? There's one shop locally that
> advertises repairs that are typically in the $250-$500 range.
>
> Car in question is my W211 E500. Headliner is not down but it's sagging
> over the rear window shelf and seat back area, it flaps around in the
> breeze if I have the rear windows open.
>
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Re: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair

I would add that while implied, I didn’t point out that the headliner is glued 
down to the roof at the top of the windshield and rear window. The dark brown 
stuff you see is old glue, probably hide glue (as in made out of rendered 
animals.) You can’t really do a proper headliner install on these cars without 
removing the windshield and rear window seals. The fabric actually wraps around 
the weldment of the window opening in some places, so trhying to “cheat” and 
jus ttuck it under means having to try and jam a bunch of fabric where it 
doesn’t belong, or trimming it during installation (very risky!)

And again, it’s the perfect opportunity to replace the windshield and rear 
window seals, too. With OE rubber, of course!

-D

On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:17 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Common, mainly because the back corners are anchored to the rear (C) pillar 
under the paneling that covers the pillar, and as the material ages it shrinks 
and pulls out. It’s probably got some of the brown discoloration on it as well.

I can’t speak to the W108s, but four years ago or thereabouts when I was doing 
the W111 220SEb a new headliner, complete from Mercedes, was under $200 and on 
the shelf in Germany.

But - it cost quite a bit to have it replaced. That’s mainly because I had both 
from and rear glass removed so new seals could be installed. Money well spent 
and the ideal time to do it all.

-D


On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>> wrote:


The headliner in the local W108 4.5 is sagging in the rear.  Otherwise, is taut.

On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at 3:34 PM dan 
penoff.com> via 
Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
 wrote:
Older cars with headliners that were installed with bows.

-D

On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
 wrote:

These are problems older cars never had.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:18 PM, dan 
penoff.com> via 
Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
 wrote:

These:



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Attmu 50 Pcs Upholstery Tacks Headliner Pins Clear Heads Twist Pins for 
Slipcovers and Bedskirts, 0.5 Inches Bed Skirt 
Pins
amazon.com>

-D



On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:07 PM, dan 
penoff.com> via 
Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
 wrote:

Very common in W210 and W211s, especially if they’ve lived in a hot climate.

I’ve seen people use the little “corkscrew” pins to hold it up, but remember, 
you’re poking into a fiberglass panel in most cases, and it’s not going to like 
it.

-D

On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:02 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
 wrote:

I think the answer is "no" but is there an effective DIY approach to dealing 
with a sagging headliner? In the past I've tried 3M sticky spray and it 
initially works but not for long.

If not, what sort of shop do I look for? There's one shop locally that 
advertises repairs that are typically in the $250-$500 range.

Car in question is my W211 E500. Headliner is not down but it's sagging over 
the rear window shelf and seat back area, it flaps around in the breeze if I 
have the rear windows open.

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Re: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair

Common, mainly because the back corners are anchored to the rear (C) pillar 
under the paneling that covers the pillar, and as the material ages it shrinks 
and pulls out. It’s probably got some of the brown discoloration on it as well.

I can’t speak to the W108s, but four years ago or thereabouts when I was doing 
the W111 220SEb a new headliner, complete from Mercedes, was under $200 and on 
the shelf in Germany.

But - it cost quite a bit to have it replaced. That’s mainly because I had both 
from and rear glass removed so new seals could be installed. Money well spent 
and the ideal time to do it all.

-D


On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:


The headliner in the local W108 4.5 is sagging in the rear.  Otherwise, is taut.

On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at 3:34 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
Older cars with headliners that were installed with bows.

-D

> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> These are problems older cars never had.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:18 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>
>> These:
>>
>>
>> 
>> [41aGnOJcKrL._SR600,315_PIWhiteStrip,BottomLeft,0,35_PIStarRatingFOURANDHALF,BottomLeft,360,-6_SR600,315_ZA9%2C272,445,290,400,400,AmazonEmberBold,12,4,0,0,5_SCLZZZ_FMpng_BG255,255,255.jpg]
>> Attmu 50 Pcs Upholstery Tacks Headliner Pins Clear Heads Twist Pins for 
>> Slipcovers and Bedskirts, 0.5 Inches Bed Skirt 
>> Pins
>> amazon.com
>>
>> -D
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:07 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Very common in W210 and W211s, especially if they’ve lived in a hot climate.
>>
>> I’ve seen people use the little “corkscrew” pins to hold it up, but 
>> remember, you’re poking into a fiberglass panel in most cases, and it’s not 
>> going to like it.
>>
>> -D
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:02 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I think the answer is "no" but is there an effective DIY approach to dealing 
>> with a sagging headliner? In the past I've tried 3M sticky spray and it 
>> initially works but not for long.
>>
>> If not, what sort of shop do I look for? There's one shop locally that 
>> advertises repairs that are typically in the $250-$500 range.
>>
>> Car in question is my W211 E500. Headliner is not down but it's sagging over 
>> the rear window shelf and seat back area, it flaps around in the breeze if I 
>> have the rear windows open.
>>
>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] FBMPClown

Either not serious or this is a catfish-mobile.

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> At some point you have to realize he's not serious about selling the car.
>
> Let it go, there are others out there.
>
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2024, at 16:20, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> > I’m still attempting to get this clown to engage:
> >
> > 442492614_122100670544337180_968688003151781952_n.jpg
> > 2008 Mercedes-Benz M-Class · ML 320 CDI Sport Utility 4D <
> https://www.facebook.com/share/8UcZVkSuxFMhrFpw/?mibextid=79PoIi>
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> >
> > He doesn’t answer question on condition. His only replies to me have
> been “tomorrow” when I asked yesterday morning if I could see the car
> yesterday, and then when I asked him what time he answered 9 hours later,
> “12pm”.  So I instantly asked for a meeting place…..crickets. I asked three
> more times last night and six times before 1100 today and no response.
> > This is the first 100% FBMP idiot I’ve dealt with. Guess I’ve been lucky.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair

The headliner in the local W108 4.5 is sagging in the rear.  Otherwise, is
taut.

On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at 3:34 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Older cars with headliners that were installed with bows.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > These are problems older cars never had.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:18 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> These:
> >>
> >>
> >> <
> https://www.amazon.com/Attmu-Upholstery-Slipcovers-Bedskirts-Inches/dp/B00Q87O00U/?th=1
> >
> >>
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> >> Attmu 50 Pcs Upholstery Tacks Headliner Pins Clear Heads Twist Pins for
> Slipcovers and Bedskirts, 0.5 Inches Bed Skirt Pins<
> https://www.amazon.com/Attmu-Upholstery-Slipcovers-Bedskirts-Inches/dp/B00Q87O00U/?th=1
> >
> >> amazon.com<
> https://www.amazon.com/Attmu-Upholstery-Slipcovers-Bedskirts-Inches/dp/B00Q87O00U/?th=1
> >
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:07 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Very common in W210 and W211s, especially if they’ve lived in a hot
> climate.
> >>
> >> I’ve seen people use the little “corkscrew” pins to hold it up, but
> remember, you’re poking into a fiberglass panel in most cases, and it’s not
> going to like it.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:02 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I think the answer is "no" but is there an effective DIY approach to
> dealing with a sagging headliner? In the past I've tried 3M sticky spray
> and it initially works but not for long.
> >>
> >> If not, what sort of shop do I look for? There's one shop locally that
> advertises repairs that are typically in the $250-$500 range.
> >>
> >> Car in question is my W211 E500. Headliner is not down but it's sagging
> over the rear window shelf and seat back area, it flaps around in the
> breeze if I have the rear windows open.
> >>
> >> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] This could be a good deal

DG = DQ?

On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at 1:16 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Actually I got here (actually to a DG about 1/4mi from where the car is)
> about an hour ago then the guy tells me he is on his way from Charlotte and
> had to feed a turtle or something. (YCMTSU) Apparently his son was handling
> the messages. so anyway I talked to him and I’m waiting for him, the car is
> at this property in the country he bought just down the road but there’s a
> locked gate. He should be here in 20min or so. Apparently the thing drives
> as he said he would drive it to the DG and meet me but I said I could go
> back to wherever it is. I’m in the GL so offroad time!
>
> He said a guy offered $3k sight unseen last night so I guess that’s my
> number. That’s what I was thinking anyway if it checks out.  I’ll have to
> figure out logistics of getting it from here to wherever, I don’t have the
> trailer with me.
>
> Turns out I’m only about 40mi from where my daughter lives, a drive
> through the country. There’s not a lot around here. The nearest little town
> is basically a shithole. I stopped at a ratty gas station convenience store
> to pee and get a drank, gave the woman a fidolla bill, she gave that back
> and dollar 36 change. Sigh. It took awhile to get her to understand why I
> was giving her the fiver and asking for a one. Sigh. The crackhead in there
> was all chatty though so there’s that. Friendly place!
>
> Adventures!
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
> > On Jul 14, 2024, at 11:50 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I believe he is enroute as we converse.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Jul 14, 2024, at 8:06 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Good luck on your trip today…or how did it turn out?
> >>
> >> AZBob
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
>  On Jul 13, 2024, at 10:29 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Brilliant.
> >>>
>  On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 1:23 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Thanks.
> 
>  I got the VIN from the guy and ran it on the MBUSA site.  Looks like
> all
>  these repairs were done last year 2/7/23 but he's saying DPF needs to
> be
>  cleaned.  The report says there is a warranty of 4yr 48kmi on the
>  repair, he says the car has 165,000 miles so that would still be
> covered
>  since the repairs were only 9kmi ago.  Weird, maybe he bought it after
>  the repairs were done and he is unaware or there is something else
> wrong
>  with it.  I'll take the computer and scan it and see what else pops up
>  for faults, but I would think with all this work the thing should be
> in
>  good shape.  From the pics it looks pretty nice.
> 
>  I'm going to drive up there and look at it tomorrow and see if I can
>  make a deal, maybe offer $3k, it was listed a week ago and I think he
>  dropped the price already.  It's not too far from Columbia, I'll check
>  with MBUSA on Monday and see if there is still coverage on it and if I
>  buy it get it to the stealer in Columbia which isn't too far and let
>  them deal with it under the warranty. Maybe they'll even send a
> flatbed
>  to pick it up!
> 
>  Hopes not too high but worth a little road trip, could turn out to be
> an
>  excellent deal.
> 
>  Has it here for $3500
>  https://offerup.com/item/detail/cb6d81b0-fb96-3061-99d2-2e562d0d6995
> 
>  hahaha I wonder if this is the same guy
> 
> 
> https://cabarrusnc.mugshots.zone/quartrone-gabriel-angelo-mugshot-04-30-2021/
> 
>  --FT
> 
> 
>  4JGBB25E19A522481 2009 Mercedes-Benz ML320
>  Status
>  Vehicle (VIN) Eligible for Emissions Modification?
>  Yes
>  Emissions Modification Approved by EPA and CARB?
>  Yes
> 
>  Emissions Modification Completed?
> 
>  Parts
>  Replaced
>  Software Update
>  NOx Sensor
>  DPF + DOC
>  SCR-Catalyst
>  Lambda Sensor
>  ECU
>  Crankcase Ventilation Valve
>  Charge Air Distribution Lines with Transverse Tubes
>  Intake Port Shutoff Actuator
>  Clean Air Duct with Mass Air Flow Sensors
>  EGR Valve with Cooler and Line
>  Yes
> 
>  Vehicle has Extended Emissions Warranty?
> 
>  This vehicle had an emission modification performed on 2023-02-07 and
>  mileage at 156515 miles. This vehicle has an extended warranty of 10
>  years/120,000 miles from the initial sale date or 4 years/48,000 miles
>  from the date of installation of the Emission Modification. Please
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Re: [MBZ] FBMPClown

At some point you have to realize he's not serious about selling the car.

Let it go, there are others out there.

On Sun, Jul 14, 2024, at 16:20, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> I’m still attempting to get this clown to engage:
> 
> 442492614_122100670544337180_968688003151781952_n.jpg
> 2008 Mercedes-Benz M-Class · ML 320 CDI Sport Utility 4D 
> 
> facebook.com 
> 
> 
> He doesn’t answer question on condition. His only replies to me have been 
> “tomorrow” when I asked yesterday morning if I could see the car yesterday, 
> and then when I asked him what time he answered 9 hours later, “12pm”.  So I 
> instantly asked for a meeting place…..crickets. I asked three more times last 
> night and six times before 1100 today and no response. 
> This is the first 100% FBMP idiot I’ve dealt with. Guess I’ve been lucky.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair

Older cars with headliners that were installed with bows.

-D

> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> These are problems older cars never had.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:18 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> These:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [41aGnOJcKrL._SR600,315_PIWhiteStrip,BottomLeft,0,35_PIStarRatingFOURANDHALF,BottomLeft,360,-6_SR600,315_ZA9%2C272,445,290,400,400,AmazonEmberBold,12,4,0,0,5_SCLZZZ_FMpng_BG255,255,255.jpg]
>> Attmu 50 Pcs Upholstery Tacks Headliner Pins Clear Heads Twist Pins for 
>> Slipcovers and Bedskirts, 0.5 Inches Bed Skirt 
>> Pins
>> amazon.com
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:07 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Very common in W210 and W211s, especially if they’ve lived in a hot climate.
>> 
>> I’ve seen people use the little “corkscrew” pins to hold it up, but 
>> remember, you’re poking into a fiberglass panel in most cases, and it’s not 
>> going to like it.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:02 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think the answer is "no" but is there an effective DIY approach to dealing 
>> with a sagging headliner? In the past I've tried 3M sticky spray and it 
>> initially works but not for long.
>> 
>> If not, what sort of shop do I look for? There's one shop locally that 
>> advertises repairs that are typically in the $250-$500 range.
>> 
>> Car in question is my W211 E500. Headliner is not down but it's sagging over 
>> the rear window shelf and seat back area, it flaps around in the breeze if I 
>> have the rear windows open.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair

2024-07-14 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes

These are problems older cars never had.

Sent from my iPhone

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> These:
> 
> 
> 
> [41aGnOJcKrL._SR600,315_PIWhiteStrip,BottomLeft,0,35_PIStarRatingFOURANDHALF,BottomLeft,360,-6_SR600,315_ZA9%2C272,445,290,400,400,AmazonEmberBold,12,4,0,0,5_SCLZZZ_FMpng_BG255,255,255.jpg]
> Attmu 50 Pcs Upholstery Tacks Headliner Pins Clear Heads Twist Pins for 
> Slipcovers and Bedskirts, 0.5 Inches Bed Skirt 
> Pins
> amazon.com
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:07 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Very common in W210 and W211s, especially if they’ve lived in a hot climate.
> 
> I’ve seen people use the little “corkscrew” pins to hold it up, but remember, 
> you’re poking into a fiberglass panel in most cases, and it’s not going to 
> like it.
> 
> -D
> 
> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:02 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think the answer is "no" but is there an effective DIY approach to dealing 
> with a sagging headliner? In the past I've tried 3M sticky spray and it 
> initially works but not for long.
> 
> If not, what sort of shop do I look for? There's one shop locally that 
> advertises repairs that are typically in the $250-$500 range.
> 
> Car in question is my W211 E500. Headliner is not down but it's sagging over 
> the rear window shelf and seat back area, it flaps around in the breeze if I 
> have the rear windows open.
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair

These:



[41aGnOJcKrL._SR600,315_PIWhiteStrip,BottomLeft,0,35_PIStarRatingFOURANDHALF,BottomLeft,360,-6_SR600,315_ZA9%2C272,445,290,400,400,AmazonEmberBold,12,4,0,0,5_SCLZZZ_FMpng_BG255,255,255.jpg]
Attmu 50 Pcs Upholstery Tacks Headliner Pins Clear Heads Twist Pins for 
Slipcovers and Bedskirts, 0.5 Inches Bed Skirt 
Pins
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On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:07 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Very common in W210 and W211s, especially if they’ve lived in a hot climate.

I’ve seen people use the little “corkscrew” pins to hold it up, but remember, 
you’re poking into a fiberglass panel in most cases, and it’s not going to like 
it.

-D

On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:02 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
wrote:

I think the answer is "no" but is there an effective DIY approach to dealing 
with a sagging headliner? In the past I've tried 3M sticky spray and it 
initially works but not for long.

If not, what sort of shop do I look for? There's one shop locally that 
advertises repairs that are typically in the $250-$500 range.

Car in question is my W211 E500. Headliner is not down but it's sagging over 
the rear window shelf and seat back area, it flaps around in the breeze if I 
have the rear windows open.

Allan
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[MBZ] 2002 CL 500 - 128k miles -$4,500

Looks nice enough, black/black and miles are pretty low. Coupe. Looks like it 
has an aftermarket audio head/screen unit.

https://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/d/saint-charles-2002-mercedes-cl-500/7765946662.html

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Re: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair

Very common in W210 and W211s, especially if they’ve lived in a hot climate.

I’ve seen people use the little “corkscrew” pins to hold it up, but remember, 
you’re poking into a fiberglass panel in most cases, and it’s not going to like 
it.

-D

> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:02 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think the answer is "no" but is there an effective DIY approach to dealing 
> with a sagging headliner? In the past I've tried 3M sticky spray and it 
> initially works but not for long.
> 
> If not, what sort of shop do I look for? There's one shop locally that 
> advertises repairs that are typically in the $250-$500 range.
> 
> Car in question is my W211 E500. Headliner is not down but it's sagging over 
> the rear window shelf and seat back area, it flaps around in the breeze if I 
> have the rear windows open.
> 
> Allan
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[MBZ] 1998 E430 - 229k miles -$4,500

Looks pretty clean. Sunroof doesn't work, but as long as it doesn't leak that's 
not an issue in my book -- I never use them.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/d/darien-mercedes-benz-e430-sport/7765976088.html
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[MBZ] sagging headliner repair

I think the answer is "no" but is there an effective DIY approach to dealing 
with a sagging headliner? In the past I've tried 3M sticky spray and it 
initially works but not for long.

If not, what sort of shop do I look for? There's one shop locally that 
advertises repairs that are typically in the $250-$500 range.

Car in question is my W211 E500. Headliner is not down but it's sagging over 
the rear window shelf and seat back area, it flaps around in the breeze if I 
have the rear windows open.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Undrcover

2024-07-14 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes

I use a Coverking on my 300CD for Winter in driveway. don't drive it during
winter.

On Sun, Jul 14, 2024, 12:21 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The Noahs are nice, but very pricey compared to everyone else, or so it
> seemed when I was shopping. I went with the SealSkin as I didn’t expect to
> have to use mine for more than a year.
>
> Thanks for sharing!
>
> -D
>
> > On Jul 14, 2024, at 9:08 AM, ned kleinhenz via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have an old Bimmer Z3 Roadster that I have been covering outdoors for
> > most of each year for about 18 years now.  My family gave me a Noah (I
> > think I got that name correct) cover that lasted about 10 years before it
> > started to decay.  I replaced it with an identical one.  The newer one
> now
> > failed mostly because squirrels and other critters chewed and scratched
> big
> > holes in it.   This cover was a thick, moisture resistant fabric with a
> > very soft car-side surface.  All things considered it did an amazingly
> good
> > job of protecting the paint.  It breathed well enough that nothing
> rusted,
> > corroded or showed any type of water damage.  This car still has its
> > original 24 year old rag top.  Bird dropping seemed to be the most
> > detrimental element to the cover itself.  They stained and rotted it.  A
> > few times I laundered the covers in a large horizontal machine at a
> > laundromat, then air dried it.  It cleaned up nicely.  The Noah’s were
> > expensive, like $300 if I recall correctly.  I recently ordered a
> SealSkin
> > to replace it for about half that Noah price.  To be fair, I didn’t even
> > look up how much Noah’s now cost.  I just got an offer for a SealSkin and
> > ordered it.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] This could be a good deal

2024-07-14 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes

Actually I got here (actually to a DG about 1/4mi from where the car is) about 
an hour ago then the guy tells me he is on his way from Charlotte and had to 
feed a turtle or something. (YCMTSU) Apparently his son was handling the 
messages. so anyway I talked to him and I’m waiting for him, the car is at this 
property in the country he bought just down the road but there’s a locked gate. 
He should be here in 20min or so. Apparently the thing drives as he said he 
would drive it to the DG and meet me but I said I could go back to wherever it 
is. I’m in the GL so offroad time!

He said a guy offered $3k sight unseen last night so I guess that’s my number. 
That’s what I was thinking anyway if it checks out.  I’ll have to figure out 
logistics of getting it from here to wherever, I don’t have the trailer with 
me. 

Turns out I’m only about 40mi from where my daughter lives, a drive through the 
country. There’s not a lot around here. The nearest little town is basically a 
shithole. I stopped at a ratty gas station convenience store to pee and get a 
drank, gave the woman a fidolla bill, she gave that back and dollar 36 change. 
Sigh. It took awhile to get her to understand why I was giving her the fiver 
and asking for a one. Sigh. The crackhead in there was all chatty though so 
there’s that. Friendly place!

Adventures!

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On Jul 14, 2024, at 11:50 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I believe he is enroute as we converse.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 14, 2024, at 8:06 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Good luck on your trip today…or how did it turn out?
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 13, 2024, at 10:29 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Brilliant.
>>> 
 On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 1:23 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

 Thanks.

 I got the VIN from the guy and ran it on the MBUSA site.  Looks like all
 these repairs were done last year 2/7/23 but he's saying DPF needs to be
 cleaned.  The report says there is a warranty of 4yr 48kmi on the
 repair, he says the car has 165,000 miles so that would still be covered
 since the repairs were only 9kmi ago.  Weird, maybe he bought it after
 the repairs were done and he is unaware or there is something else wrong
 with it.  I'll take the computer and scan it and see what else pops up
 for faults, but I would think with all this work the thing should be in
 good shape.  From the pics it looks pretty nice.

 I'm going to drive up there and look at it tomorrow and see if I can
 make a deal, maybe offer $3k, it was listed a week ago and I think he
 dropped the price already.  It's not too far from Columbia, I'll check
 with MBUSA on Monday and see if there is still coverage on it and if I
 buy it get it to the stealer in Columbia which isn't too far and let
 them deal with it under the warranty. Maybe they'll even send a flatbed
 to pick it up!

 Hopes not too high but worth a little road trip, could turn out to be an
 excellent deal.

 Has it here for $3500
 https://offerup.com/item/detail/cb6d81b0-fb96-3061-99d2-2e562d0d6995

 hahaha I wonder if this is the same guy

 https://cabarrusnc.mugshots.zone/quartrone-gabriel-angelo-mugshot-04-30-2021/

 --FT

 4JGBB25E19A522481 2009 Mercedes-Benz ML320
 Status
 Vehicle (VIN) Eligible for Emissions Modification?
 Yes
 Emissions Modification Approved by EPA and CARB?
 Yes

 Emissions Modification Completed?

 Parts
 Replaced
 Software Update
 NOx Sensor
 DPF + DOC
 SCR-Catalyst
 Lambda Sensor
 ECU
 Crankcase Ventilation Valve
 Charge Air Distribution Lines with Transverse Tubes
 Intake Port Shutoff Actuator
 Clean Air Duct with Mass Air Flow Sensors
 EGR Valve with Cooler and Line
 Yes

 Vehicle has Extended Emissions Warranty?

 This vehicle had an emission modification performed on 2023-02-07 and
 mileage at 156515 miles. This vehicle has an extended warranty of 10
 years/120,000 miles from the initial sale date or 4 years/48,000 miles
 from the date of installation of the Emission Modification. Please call
 the Customer Assistance center at 833-841-9362 or your local Authorized
 Mercedes-Benz Dealer for information on your coverage. You can find
 additional information on the terms and covered components by clicking
 on the link below.

 EXTENDED MODIFICATION WARRANTY
 <
 https://bluetecupdate.mbusa.com/content/dam/bluetec-emp/documents/warranty/warranty-extension-covered-components.pdf
> 

 Yes

 This is the whole warranty statement:

 Extended Modification Warranty MY 2009-2016 OM642 and OM651 BlueTEC II
 Diesel Vehicles

 Mercedes-Benz U

Re: [MBZ] Undrcover

The Noahs are nice, but very pricey compared to everyone else, or so it seemed 
when I was shopping. I went with the SealSkin as I didn’t expect to have to use 
mine for more than a year.

Thanks for sharing!

-D

> On Jul 14, 2024, at 9:08 AM, ned kleinhenz via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have an old Bimmer Z3 Roadster that I have been covering outdoors for
> most of each year for about 18 years now.  My family gave me a Noah (I
> think I got that name correct) cover that lasted about 10 years before it
> started to decay.  I replaced it with an identical one.  The newer one now
> failed mostly because squirrels and other critters chewed and scratched big
> holes in it.   This cover was a thick, moisture resistant fabric with a
> very soft car-side surface.  All things considered it did an amazingly good
> job of protecting the paint.  It breathed well enough that nothing rusted,
> corroded or showed any type of water damage.  This car still has its
> original 24 year old rag top.  Bird dropping seemed to be the most
> detrimental element to the cover itself.  They stained and rotted it.  A
> few times I laundered the covers in a large horizontal machine at a
> laundromat, then air dried it.  It cleaned up nicely.  The Noah’s were
> expensive, like $300 if I recall correctly.  I recently ordered a SealSkin
> to replace it for about half that Noah price.  To be fair, I didn’t even
> look up how much Noah’s now cost.  I just got an offer for a SealSkin and
> ordered it.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Undrcover

2024-07-14 Thread ned kleinhenz via Mercedes

I have an old Bimmer Z3 Roadster that I have been covering outdoors for
most of each year for about 18 years now.  My family gave me a Noah (I
think I got that name correct) cover that lasted about 10 years before it
started to decay.  I replaced it with an identical one.  The newer one now
failed mostly because squirrels and other critters chewed and scratched big
holes in it.   This cover was a thick, moisture resistant fabric with a
very soft car-side surface.  All things considered it did an amazingly good
job of protecting the paint.  It breathed well enough that nothing rusted,
corroded or showed any type of water damage.  This car still has its
original 24 year old rag top.  Bird dropping seemed to be the most
detrimental element to the cover itself.  They stained and rotted it.  A
few times I laundered the covers in a large horizontal machine at a
laundromat, then air dried it.  It cleaned up nicely.  The Noah’s were
expensive, like $300 if I recall correctly.  I recently ordered a SealSkin
to replace it for about half that Noah price.  To be fair, I didn’t even
look up how much Noah’s now cost.  I just got an offer for a SealSkin and
ordered it.



Ned Kleinhenz
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Re: [MBZ] This could be a good deal

I believe he is enroute as we converse.

-D

> On Jul 14, 2024, at 8:06 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Good luck on your trip today…or how did it turn out?
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2024, at 10:29 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Brilliant.
>> 
>>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 1:23 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> I got the VIN from the guy and ran it on the MBUSA site.  Looks like all
>>> these repairs were done last year 2/7/23 but he's saying DPF needs to be
>>> cleaned.  The report says there is a warranty of 4yr 48kmi on the
>>> repair, he says the car has 165,000 miles so that would still be covered
>>> since the repairs were only 9kmi ago.  Weird, maybe he bought it after
>>> the repairs were done and he is unaware or there is something else wrong
>>> with it.  I'll take the computer and scan it and see what else pops up
>>> for faults, but I would think with all this work the thing should be in
>>> good shape.  From the pics it looks pretty nice.
>>> 
>>> I'm going to drive up there and look at it tomorrow and see if I can
>>> make a deal, maybe offer $3k, it was listed a week ago and I think he
>>> dropped the price already.  It's not too far from Columbia, I'll check
>>> with MBUSA on Monday and see if there is still coverage on it and if I
>>> buy it get it to the stealer in Columbia which isn't too far and let
>>> them deal with it under the warranty. Maybe they'll even send a flatbed
>>> to pick it up!
>>> 
>>> Hopes not too high but worth a little road trip, could turn out to be an
>>> excellent deal.
>>> 
>>> Has it here for $3500
>>> https://offerup.com/item/detail/cb6d81b0-fb96-3061-99d2-2e562d0d6995
>>> 
>>> hahaha I wonder if this is the same guy
>>> 
>>> https://cabarrusnc.mugshots.zone/quartrone-gabriel-angelo-mugshot-04-30-2021/
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 4JGBB25E19A522481 2009 Mercedes-Benz ML320
>>> Status
>>> Vehicle (VIN) Eligible for Emissions Modification?
>>> Yes
>>> Emissions Modification Approved by EPA and CARB?
>>> Yes
>>> 
>>> Emissions Modification Completed?
>>> 
>>> Parts
>>> Replaced
>>> Software Update
>>> NOx Sensor
>>> DPF + DOC
>>> SCR-Catalyst
>>> Lambda Sensor
>>> ECU
>>> Crankcase Ventilation Valve
>>> Charge Air Distribution Lines with Transverse Tubes
>>> Intake Port Shutoff Actuator
>>> Clean Air Duct with Mass Air Flow Sensors
>>> EGR Valve with Cooler and Line
>>> Yes
>>> 
>>> Vehicle has Extended Emissions Warranty?
>>> 
>>> This vehicle had an emission modification performed on 2023-02-07 and
>>> mileage at 156515 miles. This vehicle has an extended warranty of 10
>>> years/120,000 miles from the initial sale date or 4 years/48,000 miles
>>> from the date of installation of the Emission Modification. Please call
>>> the Customer Assistance center at 833-841-9362 or your local Authorized
>>> Mercedes-Benz Dealer for information on your coverage. You can find
>>> additional information on the terms and covered components by clicking
>>> on the link below.
>>> 
>>> EXTENDED MODIFICATION WARRANTY
>>> <
>>> https://bluetecupdate.mbusa.com/content/dam/bluetec-emp/documents/warranty/warranty-extension-covered-components.pdf
 
>>> 
>>> Yes
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This is the whole warranty statement:
>>> 
>>> Extended Modification Warranty MY 2009-2016 OM642 and OM651 BlueTEC II
>>> Diesel Vehicles
>>> 
>>> Mercedes-Benz USA, LLC will provide an Extended Modification Warranty
>>> for each vehicle that has received the Approved Emission Modification.
>>> The Extended Modification Warranty period shall be the greater of: (i)
>>> 10 years from the date of initial sale or 120,000 miles on the odometer,
>>> whichever occurs first; or (ii) 4 years or 48,000 miles from the date of
>>> installation of the Approved Emission Modification, whichever occurs
>>> first. If an owner or lessee has already paid to a have a repair
>>> performed related to any of the components listed below prior to the
>>> effective date of this Extended Modification Warranty, those repairs are
>>> not eligible for reimbursement.
>>> 
>>> The Extended Modification Warranty coverage may be denied if an Eligible
>>> Vehicle has been altered with the use of any after-market emission
>>> related components, parts, and/or software, or with the removal of any
>>> original emission related components, parts, and/or software, and such
>>> alteration(s) are likely to substantially affect the operation of the
>>> vehicle with the Approved Emission Modification, until the owner of such
>>> vehicle, at his or her expense, has reversed the alteration(s) such that
>>> the Approved Emission Modification will not be substantially affected.
>>> 
>>> The Extended Modification Warranty will not cover:
>>> 
>>> *
>>> 
>>>    Any damage or malfunctions caused by the installation of non-EPA
>>>   or non-CARB certified emission related parts, including damage or
>>>   malfunction to parts needed for p

Re: [MBZ] This could be a good deal

2024-07-14 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes

Good luck on your trip today…or how did it turn out?

AZBob

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 13, 2024, at 10:29 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Brilliant.
> 
>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 1:23 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> I got the VIN from the guy and ran it on the MBUSA site.  Looks like all
>> these repairs were done last year 2/7/23 but he's saying DPF needs to be
>> cleaned.  The report says there is a warranty of 4yr 48kmi on the
>> repair, he says the car has 165,000 miles so that would still be covered
>> since the repairs were only 9kmi ago.  Weird, maybe he bought it after
>> the repairs were done and he is unaware or there is something else wrong
>> with it.  I'll take the computer and scan it and see what else pops up
>> for faults, but I would think with all this work the thing should be in
>> good shape.  From the pics it looks pretty nice.
>> 
>> I'm going to drive up there and look at it tomorrow and see if I can
>> make a deal, maybe offer $3k, it was listed a week ago and I think he
>> dropped the price already.  It's not too far from Columbia, I'll check
>> with MBUSA on Monday and see if there is still coverage on it and if I
>> buy it get it to the stealer in Columbia which isn't too far and let
>> them deal with it under the warranty. Maybe they'll even send a flatbed
>> to pick it up!
>> 
>> Hopes not too high but worth a little road trip, could turn out to be an
>> excellent deal.
>> 
>> Has it here for $3500
>> https://offerup.com/item/detail/cb6d81b0-fb96-3061-99d2-2e562d0d6995
>> 
>> hahaha I wonder if this is the same guy
>> 
>> https://cabarrusnc.mugshots.zone/quartrone-gabriel-angelo-mugshot-04-30-2021/
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> 
>> 4JGBB25E19A522481 2009 Mercedes-Benz ML320
>> Status
>> Vehicle (VIN) Eligible for Emissions Modification?
>> Yes
>> Emissions Modification Approved by EPA and CARB?
>> Yes
>> 
>> Emissions Modification Completed?
>> 
>> Parts
>> Replaced
>> Software Update
>> NOx Sensor
>> DPF + DOC
>> SCR-Catalyst
>> Lambda Sensor
>> ECU
>> Crankcase Ventilation Valve
>> Charge Air Distribution Lines with Transverse Tubes
>> Intake Port Shutoff Actuator
>> Clean Air Duct with Mass Air Flow Sensors
>> EGR Valve with Cooler and Line
>> Yes
>> 
>> Vehicle has Extended Emissions Warranty?
>> 
>> This vehicle had an emission modification performed on 2023-02-07 and
>> mileage at 156515 miles. This vehicle has an extended warranty of 10
>> years/120,000 miles from the initial sale date or 4 years/48,000 miles
>> from the date of installation of the Emission Modification. Please call
>> the Customer Assistance center at 833-841-9362 or your local Authorized
>> Mercedes-Benz Dealer for information on your coverage. You can find
>> additional information on the terms and covered components by clicking
>> on the link below.
>> 
>> EXTENDED MODIFICATION WARRANTY
>> <
>> https://bluetecupdate.mbusa.com/content/dam/bluetec-emp/documents/warranty/warranty-extension-covered-components.pdf
>>> 
>> 
>> Yes
>> 
>> 
>> This is the whole warranty statement:
>> 
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>> Diesel Vehicles
>> 
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>> for each vehicle that has received the Approved Emission Modification.
>> The Extended Modification Warranty period shall be the greater of: (i)
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>> whichever occurs first; or (ii) 4 years or 48,000 miles from the date of
>> installation of the Approved Emission Modification, whichever occurs
>> first. If an owner or lessee has already paid to a have a repair
>> performed related to any of the components listed below prior to the
>> effective date of this Extended Modification Warranty, those repairs are
>> not eligible for reimbursement.
>> 
>> The Extended Modification Warranty coverage may be denied if an Eligible
>> Vehicle has been altered with the use of any after-market emission
>> related components, parts, and/or software, or with the removal of any
>> original emission related components, parts, and/or software, and such
>> alteration(s) are likely to substantially affect the operation of the
>> vehicle with the Approved Emission Modification, until the owner of such
>> vehicle, at his or her expense, has reversed the alteration(s) such that
>> the Approved Emission Modification will not be substantially affected.
>> 
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>> 
>>  *
>> 
>> Any damage or malfunctions caused by the installation of non-EPA
>>or non-CARB certified emission related parts, including damage or
>>malfunction to parts needed for proper diagnosis of a covered part.
>> 
>>  *
>> 
>> Damage or malfunctions caused by or related to outside influence,
>>such as damage due to an accident, or vehicle misuse or neglect.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

I’ve owned several of the 6 cylinder W108s, and they were great cars. Never had 
a V8 version, never wanted one for just the reasons Jaime stated. That, and I 
suspect they’re tough to work on with the limited space in the engine 
compartment.

-D

> On Jul 14, 2024, at 5:11 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 108s are expensive to sort out, especially 4.5s.  They all need all the
> fuel hoses, timing chain, wiring harness repairs - none of these things
> impact the 6 cylinder cars.  Running 4.5s in nice cosmetic condition are
> worth mid to high teens, but often sell for more at auction.
> 
> I often recommend 6 cylinder cars over 4.5s, unless someone really wants
> the extra power and has the means to spend an extra $10-20k to sort out the
> car.
> 
> I have two 4.5s right now... gotta sell one at least
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 4:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> What would a reasonable amount to pay for one in decent cosmetic shape
>> that might need some reasonable mechanical work? I would prefer a 4.5, I
>> think. I have never had a 108 aside from a few parts cars.  I know there is
>> some sort of issue with hydraulic suspension compensator something or other.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2024, at 2:41 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It’s likely more dependent on condition than anything else. Nice ones
>> are going to command big bucks, but maybe buyers are starting to realize
>> what a nightmare they can be to restore?
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Jul 13, 2024, at 9:25 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 I wish I would have bought one years ago when they were much cheaper.
>> According to some people, they say the demand and prices for them are
>> dropping like a rock. Anyone seeing that?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Jul 13, 2024, at 11:15 AM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> For perspective: my less-than-100k-original-miles California 1972 W108
> 280SEL 4.5 with original paint and no accidents, full leather interior,
> cost $3800 when I bought it in 2007.
> 
> I wouldn't drive it ONE FOOT before replacing all the rubber underhood
>> fuel
> injection hoses. Any D-Jetronic-equipped engine is a flamethrower
>> waiting
> to happen unless those hoses are serviceable.
> 
> 
>>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2024, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> If it were running and moving I might be tempted...
>> 
>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 8:45?PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> That doesn?t seem like a $4900 car even though it looks pretty nice.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iF?n
>>> 
 On Jul 12, 2024, at 8:15?PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 ?The seller writes:  "I don't have any time [to put the car in
>> running
 condition].  The car runs. Selling as is.  The engine turns.  Needs
>> new
 gas."
 
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 8:31?AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> All 108s, including 4.5s, could be had with leather and MB Tex.  I
>>> current
> own one of each with a 4.5, both short wheelbase.
> 
> Even a 250S could have leather.  Only exception might be the odd
>> ball
> 108.015 300SE? the steel sprung M189 powered car?. They might all
>> have
> leather.  I have one in the shop now, it?s quite a machine!
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> Jaime Kopchinski
> https://classicworkshop.com/
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 4:45?PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I drove over to have a look. Rust issues  include gaping hole in
>> trunk
>> spare tire well, corroded battery tray, holes in rear of both
>> front
>> fenders.  Has been sitting in the sun so all door seals are
>> rotted.
> Still,
>> the interior is surprisingly fresh and there is no bad smell.
>> Owner
>> is
>> going to get it running but front right brake caliper is seized
>> so it
> must
>> be towed away.  Has been in same family for 30+ years and there
>> is a
> paper
>> trail + documents.  Biggest issue would probably be the rust,
>> assuming
> the
>> drive train checks out.
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 10:07?AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I like that. Could be a nice rolling resto.
>>> 
>>> ?FT
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Jul 10, 2024,

Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

2024-07-14 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes

108s are expensive to sort out, especially 4.5s.  They all need all the
fuel hoses, timing chain, wiring harness repairs - none of these things
impact the 6 cylinder cars.  Running 4.5s in nice cosmetic condition are
worth mid to high teens, but often sell for more at auction.

I often recommend 6 cylinder cars over 4.5s, unless someone really wants
the extra power and has the means to spend an extra $10-20k to sort out the
car.

I have two 4.5s right now... gotta sell one at least

Jaime


On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 4:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> What would a reasonable amount to pay for one in decent cosmetic shape
> that might need some reasonable mechanical work? I would prefer a 4.5, I
> think. I have never had a 108 aside from a few parts cars.  I know there is
> some sort of issue with hydraulic suspension compensator something or other.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 13, 2024, at 2:41 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > It’s likely more dependent on condition than anything else. Nice ones
> are going to command big bucks, but maybe buyers are starting to realize
> what a nightmare they can be to restore?
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Jul 13, 2024, at 9:25 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I wish I would have bought one years ago when they were much cheaper.
> According to some people, they say the demand and prices for them are
> dropping like a rock. Anyone seeing that?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
>  On Jul 13, 2024, at 11:15 AM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> For perspective: my less-than-100k-original-miles California 1972 W108
> >>> 280SEL 4.5 with original paint and no accidents, full leather interior,
> >>> cost $3800 when I bought it in 2007.
> >>>
> >>> I wouldn't drive it ONE FOOT before replacing all the rubber underhood
> fuel
> >>> injection hoses. Any D-Jetronic-equipped engine is a flamethrower
> waiting
> >>> to happen unless those hoses are serviceable.
> >>>
> >>>
> > On Sat, Jul 13, 2024, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> 
> 
>  If it were running and moving I might be tempted...
> 
>  On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 8:45?PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > That doesn?t seem like a $4900 car even though it looks pretty nice.
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iF?n
> >
> >> On Jul 12, 2024, at 8:15?PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?The seller writes:  "I don't have any time [to put the car in
> running
> >> condition].  The car runs. Selling as is.  The engine turns.  Needs
> new
> >> gas."
> >>
> >>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 8:31?AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> All 108s, including 4.5s, could be had with leather and MB Tex.  I
> > current
> >>> own one of each with a 4.5, both short wheelbase.
> >>>
> >>> Even a 250S could have leather.  Only exception might be the odd
> ball
> >>> 108.015 300SE? the steel sprung M189 powered car?. They might all
> have
> >>> leather.  I have one in the shop now, it?s quite a machine!
> >>>
> >>> Jaime
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jaime Kopchinski
> >>> https://classicworkshop.com/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 4:45?PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  I drove over to have a look. Rust issues  include gaping hole in
>  trunk
>  spare tire well, corroded battery tray, holes in rear of both
> front
>  fenders.  Has been sitting in the sun so all door seals are
> rotted.
> >>> Still,
>  the interior is surprisingly fresh and there is no bad smell.
> Owner
>  is
>  going to get it running but front right brake caliper is seized
> so it
> >>> must
>  be towed away.  Has been in same family for 30+ years and there
> is a
> >>> paper
>  trail + documents.  Biggest issue would probably be the rust,
>  assuming
> >>> the
>  drive train checks out.
> 
> 
>  On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 10:07?AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > I like that. Could be a nice rolling resto.
> >
> > ?FT
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Jul 10, 2024, at 4:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Might be worth a look.  Red interior is special, although the
>  engine
>  bay
> >> seems quite corroded.  Thoughts?
> >>
> >
> 
> >>>
> >
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1185043686174057/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type

Re: [MBZ] Undercover - A car cover

I’ve used “Seal Skin” covers for several cars, one of which was stored for the 
winter under one outdoors. It worked just fine, no problems to report. Between 
the temperatures, snow and sun exposure, it held up quite well, I thought. No 
complaints about it and nothing to indicate any damage or things like scratches 
on the finish from it. These are “breathable” covers, which if you’re storing 
outdoors you want - that prevents moisture buildup under the cover. I don’t 
think it matters, but I also had a battery tender on the car during this time 
as well.


Car Covers for Sale – 50% Off, Lifetime 
Warranty
sealskincovers.com
[favicon_32x32.png]

I’ve tinkered with so-called “ceramic coatings” and haven’t been terribly 
impressed. That is, they appear to work, but so does a well-applied coat of 
wax, too. If you wax a car and then store it, the wax isn’t going to degrade, 
so it really doesn't make a lot of difference when it comes to waxing and 
storage. If the car is going to sit out in the elements, and this is wholly 
dependent on the climate where you live, that might matter.

I did this on exposed ground, so before I parked the car (ML350) I put down a 
cheap HF tarp that was larger than the area the car covered. That way I didn't 
have to worry about moisture from the ground affecting the undercarriage of the 
car. Parking a car on grass or dirt is a bad idea if it’s going to be there for 
a while.

-D

On Jul 13, 2024, at 10:38 AM, r rhonald.me via Mercedes  
wrote:

All, I have had some conversations with a few people locally and I am doing 
some online research.  My current Estate Wagon is going to get replaced.  I 
didn't address the rust in time (lesson painfully learned), but I got 12 good 
years of use out of it and it never let me down at the time I needed it most.  
I love my 123.

That being said, I am on the hunt for another vehicle.  This time, I am looking 
at convertibles and a 2nd "runaround" vehicle for daily use.  This new one will 
only get driven occasionally.  And certainly not in the snow, and it a week of 
rain is predicted, not then either.

My property doesn't have a garage but it does have a good-sized driveway.

The questions:


 1.  Who uses a car cover, what brand, and how has it worked out for you?  I 
have heard moisture can build up under some of them during long-term storage


 1.  What defines "long-term?"  Winter? December - March?  I would think 
anything over 6 months would be long-term.  And winter I would think would be 
better than summer long-term.



 1.
Has anyone had experience with portable garages?  Carports only offer direct 
overhead protection, not blowing rain and snow so someone suggested a portable 
garage (not connected to the house)

 2.
What type/brand of wax or ceramic coatings are best to use?  Some have said 
that the seams on the underside have left fine scratches on the car body.

Thanks!







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Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

On Sat, Jul 13, 2024, at 17:54, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

> Due to the cost of the device, when they failed a lot of owners opted 
> to go with a fixed steel spring instead of the compensator, as it was 
> easy to retrofit. Also, not all of the models with swing axles had a 
> compensator, some came from the factory with the spring setup, as in a 
> lot if not all of the W110 and W111 models that used the same rear axle 
> setup. Jamie is probably far better versed on these than me, so I’ll 
> certainly defer to him or anyone else that is more knowledgable.
>
> Enjoy!

My W110 just had the spring.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Undercover - A car cover

2024-07-13 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 15:14:31 -0400 Allan Streib via Mercedes
 wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 13, 2024, at 15:07, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> 
> > Coastal areas are also problematic.
> 
> Yes, when we vacation near the beach I always find a layer of salt on
> the cars in the morning, or maybe it's salt and sand but it tastes
> salty.

After spending a year in Panama City, Florida (at Tyndall AFB), I noticed
my '72 220D/8 had rust around the mounting holes for the trim and other
areas -- not due to driving on salted roads in winter.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

David,

Just to clarify, there are steel springs in the (rear) suspension. The
hydropneumatic compensator does just that, it compensates for load on the rear
suspension and is intended to maintain a specific ride height. Often mistakenly
considered nothing more than a big shock absorber, it’s actually a fairly
complex device with internal valving to control its operation.

[genuine-mercedes-benz-hydropneumatic-compensator-shock-w108-w110-w111__20719.1625604934.386.513.jpg]

ZF made these, and I found a link I had to their former web page with a
description of the “Nivomat” as it was branded by them:

Cars | Nivomat® - ZF Friedrichshafen
AG
web.archive.org
[X]

Due to the cost of the device, when they failed a lot of owners opted to go
with a fixed steel spring instead of the compensator, as it was easy to
retrofit. Also, not all of the models with swing axles had a compensator, some
came from the factory with the spring setup, as in a lot if not all of the W110
and W111 models that used the same rear axle setup. Jamie is probably far
better versed on these than me, so I’ll certainly defer to him or anyone else
that is more knowledgable.

Enjoy!

-D

On Jul 13, 2024, at 1:33 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes
wrote:

I can't speak to values, other than to echo Dan that generally the crappy
ones aren't worth the effort. And sedans anyway are not worth as much as a
coupé or convertible.

As to the hydropneumatic compensator: a clever but poorly understood
contraption mounted in place of the transverse steel spring on the rear
differential. The idea is that, with some movement over uneven pavement,
the compensator would pump itself up against a nitrogen cushion to provide
height control. Same principle as the hydropneumatic system on the station
wagons: the system only provided a "levelling" function. The clever part
being that the hydropneumatic compensator did not require a pump because it
did that part itself!

They were made by Boge and are available rebuilt provided you have a core
to supply. Last time I checked it was ~$1,500 for a rebuild. I'm sure they
replace a bunch of seals and stuff, but most probably all that fails is
they lose the nitrogen gas charge. Same thing happens on the station wagons
and for that matter the 6.9 system. Different again (essentially a copy of
Citroën's system in the DS from 1955) because there are literally NO steel
springs. The car is totally dependent on the hydraulic system to stay "up",
hence the way the 6.9s sink to the ground if not used. NOT like the W100
and W109 systems, which use air, not hydraulic pressure.

I swapped in the (easily available from Mercedes) spring on my W108 in
place of the compensator. Took about 15 minutes. I have kept it just in
case...

On Sat, 13 Jul 2024, Kaleb Striplin wrote:

What would a reasonable amount to pay
for one in decent cosmetic shape that
might need some reasonable mechanical
work? I would prefer a 4.5, I think. I have
never had a 108 aside from a few parts
cars. I know there is some sort of issue
with hydraulic suspension compensator
something or other.
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Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

2024-07-13 Thread David Bruckmann via Mercedes

I can't speak to values, other than to echo Dan that generally the crappy
ones aren't worth the effort. And sedans anyway are not worth as much as a
coupé or convertible.

As to the hydropneumatic compensator: a clever but poorly understood
contraption mounted in place of the transverse steel spring on the rear
differential. The idea is that, with some movement over uneven pavement,
the compensator would pump itself up against a nitrogen cushion to provide
height control. Same principle as the hydropneumatic system on the station
wagons: the system only provided a "levelling" function. The clever part
being that the hydropneumatic compensator did not require a pump because it
did that part itself!

They were made by Boge and are available rebuilt provided you have a core
to supply. Last time I checked it was ~$1,500 for a rebuild. I'm sure they
replace a bunch of seals and stuff, but most probably all that fails is
they lose the nitrogen gas charge. Same thing happens on the station wagons
and for that matter the 6.9 system. Different again (essentially a copy of
Citroën's system in the DS from 1955) because there are literally NO steel
springs. The car is totally dependent on the hydraulic system to stay "up",
hence the way the 6.9s sink to the ground if not used. NOT like the W100
and W109 systems, which use air, not hydraulic pressure.

I swapped in the (easily available from Mercedes) spring on my W108 in
place of the compensator. Took about 15 minutes. I have kept it just in
case...

D.

On Sat, 13 Jul 2024, Kaleb Striplin wrote:
>
>What would a reasonable amount to pay
>for one in decent cosmetic shape that
>might need some reasonable mechanical
>work? I would prefer a 4.5, I think. I have
>never had a 108 aside from a few parts
>cars.  I know there is some sort of issue
>with hydraulic suspension compensator
>something or other.
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Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

On Sat, Jul 13, 2024, at 15:40, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> It’s likely more dependent on condition than anything else. Nice ones 
> are going to command big bucks, but maybe buyers are starting to 
> realize what a nightmare they can be to restore?

Probably would not stop a genuine enthusiast with the requisite financial 
resources, but they are not a "flippers" car.

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Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

2024-07-13 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes

What would a reasonable amount to pay for one in decent cosmetic shape that 
might need some reasonable mechanical work? I would prefer a 4.5, I think. I 
have never had a 108 aside from a few parts cars.  I know there is some sort of 
issue with hydraulic suspension compensator something or other.

 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 13, 2024, at 2:41 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It’s likely more dependent on condition than anything else. Nice ones are 
> going to command big bucks, but maybe buyers are starting to realize what a 
> nightmare they can be to restore?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2024, at 9:25 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I wish I would have bought one years ago when they were much cheaper. 
>> According to some people, they say the demand and prices for them are 
>> dropping like a rock. Anyone seeing that?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 13, 2024, at 11:15 AM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> For perspective: my less-than-100k-original-miles California 1972 W108
>>> 280SEL 4.5 with original paint and no accidents, full leather interior,
>>> cost $3800 when I bought it in 2007.
>>> 
>>> I wouldn't drive it ONE FOOT before replacing all the rubber underhood fuel
>>> injection hoses. Any D-Jetronic-equipped engine is a flamethrower waiting
>>> to happen unless those hoses are serviceable.
>>> 
>>> 
> On Sat, Jul 13, 2024, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
 
 
 If it were running and moving I might be tempted...
 
 On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 8:45?PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> That doesn?t seem like a $4900 car even though it looks pretty nice.
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iF?n
> 
>> On Jul 12, 2024, at 8:15?PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?The seller writes:  "I don't have any time [to put the car in running
>> condition].  The car runs. Selling as is.  The engine turns.  Needs new
>> gas."
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 8:31?AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> All 108s, including 4.5s, could be had with leather and MB Tex.  I
> current
>>> own one of each with a 4.5, both short wheelbase.
>>> 
>>> Even a 250S could have leather.  Only exception might be the odd ball
>>> 108.015 300SE? the steel sprung M189 powered car?. They might all have
>>> leather.  I have one in the shop now, it?s quite a machine!
>>> 
>>> Jaime
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jaime Kopchinski
>>> https://classicworkshop.com/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 4:45?PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 I drove over to have a look. Rust issues  include gaping hole in
 trunk
 spare tire well, corroded battery tray, holes in rear of both front
 fenders.  Has been sitting in the sun so all door seals are rotted.
>>> Still,
 the interior is surprisingly fresh and there is no bad smell.  Owner
 is
 going to get it running but front right brake caliper is seized so it
>>> must
 be towed away.  Has been in same family for 30+ years and there is a
>>> paper
 trail + documents.  Biggest issue would probably be the rust,
 assuming
>>> the
 drive train checks out.
 
 
 On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 10:07?AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> I like that. Could be a nice rolling resto.
> 
> ?FT
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2024, at 4:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Might be worth a look.  Red interior is special, although the
 engine
 bay
>> seems quite corroded.  Thoughts?
>> 
> 
 
>>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] looks complete and decent -- 1963 Mercedes-Benz 220s, $3, 000

That’s pretty nice for the price.

-D

> On Jul 13, 2024, at 12:50 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Steering wheel intact, red upholstery is cool
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3668210170060319
> 
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[MBZ] looks complete and decent -- 1963 Mercedes-Benz 220s,$3,000


Steering wheel intact, red upholstery is cool

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3668210170060319

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Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

It’s likely more dependent on condition than anything else. Nice ones are going 
to command big bucks, but maybe buyers are starting to realize what a nightmare 
they can be to restore?

-D

> On Jul 13, 2024, at 9:25 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I wish I would have bought one years ago when they were much cheaper. 
> According to some people, they say the demand and prices for them are 
> dropping like a rock. Anyone seeing that?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2024, at 11:15 AM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> For perspective: my less-than-100k-original-miles California 1972 W108
>> 280SEL 4.5 with original paint and no accidents, full leather interior,
>> cost $3800 when I bought it in 2007.
>> 
>> I wouldn't drive it ONE FOOT before replacing all the rubber underhood fuel
>> injection hoses. Any D-Jetronic-equipped engine is a flamethrower waiting
>> to happen unless those hoses are serviceable.
>> 
>> 
 On Sat, Jul 13, 2024, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If it were running and moving I might be tempted...
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 8:45?PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 That doesn?t seem like a $4900 car even though it looks pretty nice.
 
 --FT
 Sent from iF?n
 
> On Jul 12, 2024, at 8:15?PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> ?The seller writes:  "I don't have any time [to put the car in running
> condition].  The car runs. Selling as is.  The engine turns.  Needs new
> gas."
> 
>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 8:31?AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> All 108s, including 4.5s, could be had with leather and MB Tex.  I
 current
>> own one of each with a 4.5, both short wheelbase.
>> 
>> Even a 250S could have leather.  Only exception might be the odd ball
>> 108.015 300SE? the steel sprung M189 powered car?. They might all have
>> leather.  I have one in the shop now, it?s quite a machine!
>> 
>> Jaime
>> 
>> 
>> Jaime Kopchinski
>> https://classicworkshop.com/
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 4:45?PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I drove over to have a look. Rust issues  include gaping hole in
>>> trunk
>>> spare tire well, corroded battery tray, holes in rear of both front
>>> fenders.  Has been sitting in the sun so all door seals are rotted.
>> Still,
>>> the interior is surprisingly fresh and there is no bad smell.  Owner
>>> is
>>> going to get it running but front right brake caliper is seized so it
>> must
>>> be towed away.  Has been in same family for 30+ years and there is a
>> paper
>>> trail + documents.  Biggest issue would probably be the rust,
>>> assuming
>> the
>>> drive train checks out.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 10:07?AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 I like that. Could be a nice rolling resto.
 
 ?FT
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
> On Jul 10, 2024, at 4:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Might be worth a look.  Red interior is special, although the
>>> engine
>>> bay
> seems quite corroded.  Thoughts?
> 
 
>>> 
>> 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Undercover - A car cover

On Sat, Jul 13, 2024, at 15:07, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

> Coastal areas are also problematic.

Yes, when we vacation near the beach I always find a layer of salt on the cars 
in the morning, or maybe it's salt and sand but it tastes salty.


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Re: [MBZ] Undercover - A car cover

2024-07-13 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

> But by far the main thing with an older car is avoiding salt. Just don't 
> drive them in the winter if you live where salt is used.

Coastal areas are also problematic.  Our beach cabin is a poorly-insulated but 
otherwise sealed house, and not all that close
to the water. maybe half a mile away.  It has a shed, which has open rafters 
for ventilation.  Everything metal in the shed gets
rusty, rusty, rusty.  In the cabin, not.  The humidity will be the same, but 
salt spray in the air can migrate in past the rafter ends
and settle out on things, provoking truly cancerous surface rust.

The ventilation that is good for shingle life is bad for everything else, 
because there is no ceiling in the shed.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Undercover - A car cover

I don't think anything will beat a real garage/pole barn with a roof, solid 
floor, walls, and a door. Assuming you have the space, funds, and zoning allows 
it.

I've never used a portable/tent garage. Parking over dirt/gravel is not ideal 
as moisture evaporates and will condense on the metal of the car.

But by far the main thing with an older car is avoiding salt. Just don't drive 
them in the winter if you live where salt is used. Note that most southern cars 
are much less rusty even if they are parked outdoors, for this reason.


On Sat, Jul 13, 2024, at 13:38, r rhonald.me via Mercedes wrote:
> All, I have had some conversations with a few people locally and I am 
> doing some online research.  My current Estate Wagon is going to get 
> replaced.  I didn't address the rust in time (lesson painfully 
> learned), but I got 12 good years of use out of it and it never let me 
> down at the time I needed it most.  I love my 123.
>
> That being said, I am on the hunt for another vehicle.  This time, I am 
> looking at convertibles and a 2nd "runaround" vehicle for daily use.  
> This new one will only get driven occasionally.  And certainly not in 
> the snow, and it a week of rain is predicted, not then either.
>
> My property doesn't have a garage but it does have a good-sized driveway.
>
> The questions:
>
>
>   1.  Who uses a car cover, what brand, and how has it worked out for 
> you?  I have heard moisture can build up under some of them during 
> long-term storage
>
>
>   1.  What defines "long-term?"  Winter? December - March?  I would 
> think anything over 6 months would be long-term.  And winter I would 
> think would be better than summer long-term.
>
>
>
>   1.
> Has anyone had experience with portable garages?  Carports only offer 
> direct overhead protection, not blowing rain and snow so someone 
> suggested a portable garage (not connected to the house)
>
>   2.
> What type/brand of wax or ceramic coatings are best to use?  Some have 
> said that the seams on the underside have left fine scratches on the 
> car body.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Undercover - A car cover

2024-07-13 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

I am totally pleased with a couple Budge car covers purchased from Autozone
for around $100 each, one for my ML 250 and the other for the 1985 300SD.
They have a soft flannel-like lining and water-resistant/breathable
material to repel rain.

On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 1:39 PM r rhonald.me via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> All, I have had some conversations with a few people locally and I am
> doing some online research.  My current Estate Wagon is going to get
> replaced.  I didn't address the rust in time (lesson painfully learned),
> but I got 12 good years of use out of it and it never let me down at the
> time I needed it most.  I love my 123.
>
> That being said, I am on the hunt for another vehicle.  This time, I am
> looking at convertibles and a 2nd "runaround" vehicle for daily use.  This
> new one will only get driven occasionally.  And certainly not in the snow,
> and it a week of rain is predicted, not then either.
>
> My property doesn't have a garage but it does have a good-sized driveway.
>
> The questions:
>
>
>   1.  Who uses a car cover, what brand, and how has it worked out for
> you?  I have heard moisture can build up under some of them during
> long-term storage
>
>
>   1.  What defines "long-term?"  Winter? December - March?  I would think
> anything over 6 months would be long-term.  And winter I would think would
> be better than summer long-term.
>
>
>
>   1.
> Has anyone had experience with portable garages?  Carports only offer
> direct overhead protection, not blowing rain and snow so someone suggested
> a portable garage (not connected to the house)
>
>   2.
> What type/brand of wax or ceramic coatings are best to use?  Some have
> said that the seams on the underside have left fine scratches on the car
> body.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[MBZ] Undercover - A car cover

2024-07-13 Thread r rhonald.me via Mercedes

All, I have had some conversations with a few people locally and I am doing 
some online research.  My current Estate Wagon is going to get replaced.  I 
didn't address the rust in time (lesson painfully learned), but I got 12 good 
years of use out of it and it never let me down at the time I needed it most.  
I love my 123.

That being said, I am on the hunt for another vehicle.  This time, I am looking 
at convertibles and a 2nd "runaround" vehicle for daily use.  This new one will 
only get driven occasionally.  And certainly not in the snow, and it a week of 
rain is predicted, not then either.

My property doesn't have a garage but it does have a good-sized driveway.

The questions:


  1.  Who uses a car cover, what brand, and how has it worked out for you?  I 
have heard moisture can build up under some of them during long-term storage


  1.  What defines "long-term?"  Winter? December - March?  I would think 
anything over 6 months would be long-term.  And winter I would think would be 
better than summer long-term.



  1.
Has anyone had experience with portable garages?  Carports only offer direct 
overhead protection, not blowing rain and snow so someone suggested a portable 
garage (not connected to the house)

  2.
What type/brand of wax or ceramic coatings are best to use?  Some have said 
that the seams on the underside have left fine scratches on the car body.

Thanks!







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Re: [MBZ] This could be a good deal

2024-07-13 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Brilliant.

On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 1:23 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Thanks.
>
> I got the VIN from the guy and ran it on the MBUSA site.  Looks like all
> these repairs were done last year 2/7/23 but he's saying DPF needs to be
> cleaned.  The report says there is a warranty of 4yr 48kmi on the
> repair, he says the car has 165,000 miles so that would still be covered
> since the repairs were only 9kmi ago.  Weird, maybe he bought it after
> the repairs were done and he is unaware or there is something else wrong
> with it.  I'll take the computer and scan it and see what else pops up
> for faults, but I would think with all this work the thing should be in
> good shape.  From the pics it looks pretty nice.
>
> I'm going to drive up there and look at it tomorrow and see if I can
> make a deal, maybe offer $3k, it was listed a week ago and I think he
> dropped the price already.  It's not too far from Columbia, I'll check
> with MBUSA on Monday and see if there is still coverage on it and if I
> buy it get it to the stealer in Columbia which isn't too far and let
> them deal with it under the warranty. Maybe they'll even send a flatbed
> to pick it up!
>
> Hopes not too high but worth a little road trip, could turn out to be an
> excellent deal.
>
> Has it here for $3500
> https://offerup.com/item/detail/cb6d81b0-fb96-3061-99d2-2e562d0d6995
>
> hahaha I wonder if this is the same guy
>
> https://cabarrusnc.mugshots.zone/quartrone-gabriel-angelo-mugshot-04-30-2021/
>
> --FT
>
>
> 4JGBB25E19A522481 2009 Mercedes-Benz ML320
> Status
> Vehicle (VIN) Eligible for Emissions Modification?
> Yes
> Emissions Modification Approved by EPA and CARB?
> Yes
>
> Emissions Modification Completed?
>
> Parts
> Replaced
> Software Update
> NOx Sensor
> DPF + DOC
> SCR-Catalyst
> Lambda Sensor
> ECU
> Crankcase Ventilation Valve
> Charge Air Distribution Lines with Transverse Tubes
> Intake Port Shutoff Actuator
> Clean Air Duct with Mass Air Flow Sensors
> EGR Valve with Cooler and Line
> Yes
>
> Vehicle has Extended Emissions Warranty?
>
> This vehicle had an emission modification performed on 2023-02-07 and
> mileage at 156515 miles. This vehicle has an extended warranty of 10
> years/120,000 miles from the initial sale date or 4 years/48,000 miles
> from the date of installation of the Emission Modification. Please call
> the Customer Assistance center at 833-841-9362 or your local Authorized
> Mercedes-Benz Dealer for information on your coverage. You can find
> additional information on the terms and covered components by clicking
> on the link below.
>
> EXTENDED MODIFICATION WARRANTY
> <
> https://bluetecupdate.mbusa.com/content/dam/bluetec-emp/documents/warranty/warranty-extension-covered-components.pdf
> >
>
> Yes
> 
>
> This is the whole warranty statement:
>
> Extended Modification Warranty MY 2009-2016 OM642 and OM651 BlueTEC II
> Diesel Vehicles
>
> Mercedes-Benz USA, LLC will provide an Extended Modification Warranty
> for each vehicle that has received the Approved Emission Modification.
> The Extended Modification Warranty period shall be the greater of: (i)
> 10 years from the date of initial sale or 120,000 miles on the odometer,
> whichever occurs first; or (ii) 4 years or 48,000 miles from the date of
> installation of the Approved Emission Modification, whichever occurs
> first. If an owner or lessee has already paid to a have a repair
> performed related to any of the components listed below prior to the
> effective date of this Extended Modification Warranty, those repairs are
> not eligible for reimbursement.
>
> The Extended Modification Warranty coverage may be denied if an Eligible
> Vehicle has been altered with the use of any after-market emission
> related components, parts, and/or software, or with the removal of any
> original emission related components, parts, and/or software, and such
> alteration(s) are likely to substantially affect the operation of the
> vehicle with the Approved Emission Modification, until the owner of such
> vehicle, at his or her expense, has reversed the alteration(s) such that
> the Approved Emission Modification will not be substantially affected.
>
> The Extended Modification Warranty will not cover:
>
>   *
>
>  Any damage or malfunctions caused by the installation of non-EPA
> or non-CARB certified emission related parts, including damage or
> malfunction to parts needed for proper diagnosis of a covered part.
>
>   *
>
>  Damage or malfunctions caused by or related to outside influence,
> such as damage due to an accident, or vehicle misuse or neglect.
>
> The Extended Modification Warranty includes parts and labor, and
> shall not void or supersede any existing warranty.
>
> The Extended Modification Warranty shall cover the following parts:
>
>   *
>
>  Diesel Oxidation Catalyst (DOC)
>
>   *
>
>  Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF)
>
>   *
>
>  Selective Catalytic Redu

Re: [MBZ] This could be a good deal


Thanks.

I got the VIN from the guy and ran it on the MBUSA site.  Looks like all 
these repairs were done last year 2/7/23 but he's saying DPF needs to be 
cleaned.  The report says there is a warranty of 4yr 48kmi on the 
repair, he says the car has 165,000 miles so that would still be covered 
since the repairs were only 9kmi ago.  Weird, maybe he bought it after 
the repairs were done and he is unaware or there is something else wrong 
with it.  I'll take the computer and scan it and see what else pops up 
for faults, but I would think with all this work the thing should be in 
good shape.  From the pics it looks pretty nice.


I'm going to drive up there and look at it tomorrow and see if I can 
make a deal, maybe offer $3k, it was listed a week ago and I think he 
dropped the price already.  It's not too far from Columbia, I'll check 
with MBUSA on Monday and see if there is still coverage on it and if I 
buy it get it to the stealer in Columbia which isn't too far and let 
them deal with it under the warranty. Maybe they'll even send a flatbed 
to pick it up!


Hopes not too high but worth a little road trip, could turn out to be an 
excellent deal.


Has it here for $3500 
https://offerup.com/item/detail/cb6d81b0-fb96-3061-99d2-2e562d0d6995


hahaha I wonder if this is the same guy 
https://cabarrusnc.mugshots.zone/quartrone-gabriel-angelo-mugshot-04-30-2021/


--FT


4JGBB25E19A522481 2009 Mercedes-Benz ML320
Status
Vehicle (VIN) Eligible for Emissions Modification?
Yes
Emissions Modification Approved by EPA and CARB?
Yes

Emissions Modification Completed?

Parts
Replaced
Software Update
NOx Sensor
DPF + DOC
SCR-Catalyst
Lambda Sensor
ECU
Crankcase Ventilation Valve
Charge Air Distribution Lines with Transverse Tubes
Intake Port Shutoff Actuator
Clean Air Duct with Mass Air Flow Sensors
EGR Valve with Cooler and Line
Yes

Vehicle has Extended Emissions Warranty?

This vehicle had an emission modification performed on 2023-02-07 and 
mileage at 156515 miles. This vehicle has an extended warranty of 10 
years/120,000 miles from the initial sale date or 4 years/48,000 miles 
from the date of installation of the Emission Modification. Please call 
the Customer Assistance center at 833-841-9362 or your local Authorized 
Mercedes-Benz Dealer for information on your coverage. You can find 
additional information on the terms and covered components by clicking 
on the link below.


EXTENDED MODIFICATION WARRANTY 



Yes


This is the whole warranty statement:

Extended Modification Warranty MY 2009-2016 OM642 and OM651 BlueTEC II 
Diesel Vehicles


Mercedes-Benz USA, LLC will provide an Extended Modification Warranty 
for each vehicle that has received the Approved Emission Modification. 
The Extended Modification Warranty period shall be the greater of: (i) 
10 years from the date of initial sale or 120,000 miles on the odometer, 
whichever occurs first; or (ii) 4 years or 48,000 miles from the date of 
installation of the Approved Emission Modification, whichever occurs 
first. If an owner or lessee has already paid to a have a repair 
performed related to any of the components listed below prior to the 
effective date of this Extended Modification Warranty, those repairs are 
not eligible for reimbursement.


The Extended Modification Warranty coverage may be denied if an Eligible 
Vehicle has been altered with the use of any after-market emission 
related components, parts, and/or software, or with the removal of any 
original emission related components, parts, and/or software, and such 
alteration(s) are likely to substantially affect the operation of the 
vehicle with the Approved Emission Modification, until the owner of such 
vehicle, at his or her expense, has reversed the alteration(s) such that 
the Approved Emission Modification will not be substantially affected.


The Extended Modification Warranty will not cover:

 *

    Any damage or malfunctions caused by the installation of non-EPA
   or non-CARB certified emission related parts, including damage or
   malfunction to parts needed for proper diagnosis of a covered part.

 *

    Damage or malfunctions caused by or related to outside influence,
   such as damage due to an accident, or vehicle misuse or neglect.

   The Extended Modification Warranty includes parts and labor, and
   shall not void or supersede any existing warranty.

   The Extended Modification Warranty shall cover the following parts:

 *

    Diesel Oxidation Catalyst (DOC)

 *

    Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF)

 *

    Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) Catalyst

 *

    Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) Injector

 *

    Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) Injector Controller

 *

    Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) Supply Module

 *

    Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) Pump

 *

    Temperature Sensor Unit (DEF Temperature Sensor)

 *

    Exhaust Temp

Re: [MBZ] lust in my heart -- 2015 Mercedes-Benz S550 4Matic Coupe


Yep.  Still reasonable

-_FT

On 7/12/24 10:21 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:

15K now

On Fri, Jul 12, 2024, 10:23 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Bid right now is fairly low, I wonder what this will go for


https://carsandbids.com/auctions/rxPL6gmj/2015-mercedes-benz-s550-4matic-coupe?utm_source=pd&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=n



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Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

Younger generations have much less interest in cars. It's us old farts that are 
keeping up the demand for classics.

On Sat, Jul 13, 2024, at 12:27, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> Demand is dropping??  I hadn't noticed...
>
> On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 12:25 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> I wish I would have bought one years ago when they were much cheaper.
>> According to some people, they say the demand and prices for them are
>> dropping like a rock. Anyone seeing that?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>

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