Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The last Dakota was gly because of the big plastic fenders. I don't think 
it was much larger in any cargo carrying capacity but the outside dimensions 
were bigger. Chrysler was absolutely mystified that people didn't buy them 
which proves that auto executives are idiots.
-Curt

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> On September 15, 2016 at 12:21 PM Ed Booher via Mercedes
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Current revision is also *much* smaller than my wife's. Her Durango is
> massive. I'm still not sure why Chrysler calls it a "mid-size" SUV.

I'm pretty sure my Dad's 2002 mid-size Dakota is bigger in all three external
dimensions than his full size 1973 F100 was. And the next Dakota was bigger than
that IIRC. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Here in the people's republic of MA every motor vehicle operated on the public 
roads (including motorcycles) has to be inspected every year.
-Curt

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I believe that even things like F350's have to be inspected annually here.

RB

On 15/09/2016 11:22 AM, Ed Booher via Mercedes wrote:
> The only thing that requires inspection in Indiana are commercial vehicles
> over a certain tonnage, like 18 wheelers.
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> On 14/09/2016 2:51 PM, Ed Booher via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, the Excursion is built off the F-350 Super Duty chassis, and as such
>>> is a thoroughly ridiculous vehicle. However, the first two model years of
>>> Excursion *do* have the International Harvester Diesel available in them.
>>>
>>>
>> Do you folks have to get an annual safety done on 1 ton and up lie we do?
>> I would think that would be a bit of a pain.
>>
>> RB
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On September 15, 2016 at 12:21 PM Ed Booher via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Current revision is also *much* smaller than my wife's. Her Durango is
> massive. I'm still not sure why Chrysler calls it a "mid-size" SUV.

I'm pretty sure my Dad's 2002 mid-size Dakota is bigger in all three external
dimensions than his full size 1973 F100 was. And the next Dakota was bigger than
that IIRC. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I believe that even things like F350's have to be inspected annually here.

RB

On 15/09/2016 11:22 AM, Ed Booher via Mercedes wrote:

The only thing that requires inspection in Indiana are commercial vehicles
over a certain tonnage, like 18 wheelers.

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


On 14/09/2016 2:51 PM, Ed Booher via Mercedes wrote:


Yes, the Excursion is built off the F-350 Super Duty chassis, and as such
is a thoroughly ridiculous vehicle. However, the first two model years of
Excursion *do* have the International Harvester Diesel available in them.



Do you folks have to get an annual safety done on 1 ton and up lie we do?
I would think that would be a bit of a pain.

RB


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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Ed Booher via Mercedes]

The only thing that requires inspection in Indiana are commercial vehicles
over a certain tonnage, like 18 wheelers.

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 14/09/2016 2:51 PM, Ed Booher via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Yes, the Excursion is built off the F-350 Super Duty chassis, and as such
>> is a thoroughly ridiculous vehicle. However, the first two model years of
>> Excursion *do* have the International Harvester Diesel available in them.
>>
>>
> Do you folks have to get an annual safety done on 1 ton and up lie we do?
> I would think that would be a bit of a pain.
>
> RB
>
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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Ed Booher via Mercedes]

Current revision is also *much* smaller than my wife's. Her Durango is
massive. I'm still not sure why Chrysler calls it a "mid-size" SUV.

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Current revision of Durango is really just a car with tall seating. For a
> Chrysler that can go offroad you need a Jeep or a RAM.
> That said my parents have a Cherokee which is really a car but its
> surprisingly good offroad...
> -Curt
>
>   From: Ed Booher via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: Ed Booher <edboo...@gmail.com>
>  Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 3:54 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > I definitely don't think of an Expedition EL as a Mommy Wagon.  It's a
> > beast.  The Mommy wagons I see around here are the Toyota Sienna Minivan,
> > the Honda Odyssey Minivan and the Nissan Quest minivan.  Most of the time
> > when I see a Suburban or an Expedition, it has one person in it and no
> > kids.  One of the private schools (for the rich kids) is not too far from
> > my house and if I drive past it on the way to work, the line of vehicles
> > dropping little Jayden, Aiden, Cayden, and Jackson, Jaxson, and Jack are
> > all Honda Odysseys.  Now, if I drive by the Country Club where the
> parents
> > are even richer and the kids are older, there are lots of Escalades and
> > Lexus RX.
> >
>
> My wife's "mommy wagon" is an `06 Hemi Durango, so the Expedition would be
> a great fit for her. She isn't really a mini-van type of person.
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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

We have to for dual rear wheels but not for 1 ton specifically. Gotta have a 
DOT inspection and medical too...
-Curt

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On 14/09/2016 2:51 PM, Ed Booher via Mercedes wrote:
> Yes, the Excursion is built off the F-350 Super Duty chassis, and as such
> is a thoroughly ridiculous vehicle. However, the first two model years of
> Excursion *do* have the International Harvester Diesel available in them.
>

Do you folks have to get an annual safety done on 1 ton and up lie we do?
I would think that would be a bit of a pain.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Just about every Expedition, and some F-150s of a certain age have 
squeaking front suspensions, ball joints I am guessing.  Most noticeable 
when turning.


--R


On 9/14/16 3:49 PM, Ed Booher via Mercedes wrote:

The Expedition is a Ford F-150 Wagon, so all quirks and provisos that apply
to the F-150 of that year also apply to the Expedition. That being said,
there is a reason that the Ford F-150 has been the number one truck in
America for ... decades really. Regular maintenance to an F-150 /
Expedition means it runs a long time. They are strong, able, and versatile.

But, as Rick says, things like the Spark Plug removal is an issue. However,
my wife drives a Durango with a Hemi. 2 plugs per cylinder, so 16 plugs
overall, that things is ridiculous so it is a problem, but there are worse.
Just don't leave the plugs in for 100K miles, no matter what the plug
manufacturer or Ford might tell you.

On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 5:30 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Barrister Snook inquires:


Anybody have experience with one of these or something like it. It has

the 5.4L that Ford used in TONS of vehicles.

Google Ford 5.4 Spark Plug removal.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 14/09/2016 2:51 PM, Ed Booher via Mercedes wrote:

Yes, the Excursion is built off the F-350 Super Duty chassis, and as such
is a thoroughly ridiculous vehicle. However, the first two model years of
Excursion *do* have the International Harvester Diesel available in them.



Do you folks have to get an annual safety done on 1 ton and up lie we do?
I would think that would be a bit of a pain.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Current revision of Durango is really just a car with tall seating. For a 
Chrysler that can go offroad you need a Jeep or a RAM.
That said my parents have a Cherokee which is really a car but its surprisingly 
good offroad...
-Curt

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On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> I definitely don't think of an Expedition EL as a Mommy Wagon.  It's a
> beast.  The Mommy wagons I see around here are the Toyota Sienna Minivan,
> the Honda Odyssey Minivan and the Nissan Quest minivan.  Most of the time
> when I see a Suburban or an Expedition, it has one person in it and no
> kids.  One of the private schools (for the rich kids) is not too far from
> my house and if I drive past it on the way to work, the line of vehicles
> dropping little Jayden, Aiden, Cayden, and Jackson, Jaxson, and Jack are
> all Honda Odysseys.  Now, if I drive by the Country Club where the parents
> are even richer and the kids are older, there are lots of Escalades and
> Lexus RX.
>

My wife's "mommy wagon" is an `06 Hemi Durango, so the Expedition would be
a great fit for her. She isn't really a mini-van type of person.
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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Ed Booher via Mercedes]

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> I definitely don't think of an Expedition EL as a Mommy Wagon.  It's a
> beast.  The Mommy wagons I see around here are the Toyota Sienna Minivan,
> the Honda Odyssey Minivan and the Nissan Quest minivan.  Most of the time
> when I see a Suburban or an Expedition, it has one person in it and no
> kids.  One of the private schools (for the rich kids) is not too far from
> my house and if I drive past it on the way to work, the line of vehicles
> dropping little Jayden, Aiden, Cayden, and Jackson, Jaxson, and Jack are
> all Honda Odysseys.   Now, if I drive by the Country Club where the parents
> are even richer and the kids are older, there are lots of Escalades and
> Lexus RX.
>

My wife's "mommy wagon" is an `06 Hemi Durango, so the Expedition would be
a great fit for her. She isn't really a mini-van type of person.
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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Ed Booher via Mercedes]

Yes, the Excursion is built off the F-350 Super Duty chassis, and as such
is a thoroughly ridiculous vehicle. However, the first two model years of
Excursion *do* have the International Harvester Diesel available in them.

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:03 AM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

> > Donald wrote:
>
> > I definitely don't think of an Expedition EL as a Mommy Wagon.
>
> Me either.
>
> > It's a beast.
>
> I beg to differ.  The _Excursion_ is a beast.  The Expedition is just
> big.
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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Ed Booher via Mercedes]

The Expedition is a Ford F-150 Wagon, so all quirks and provisos that apply
to the F-150 of that year also apply to the Expedition. That being said,
there is a reason that the Ford F-150 has been the number one truck in
America for ... decades really. Regular maintenance to an F-150 /
Expedition means it runs a long time. They are strong, able, and versatile.

But, as Rick says, things like the Spark Plug removal is an issue. However,
my wife drives a Durango with a Hemi. 2 plugs per cylinder, so 16 plugs
overall, that things is ridiculous so it is a problem, but there are worse.
Just don't leave the plugs in for 100K miles, no matter what the plug
manufacturer or Ford might tell you.

On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 5:30 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Barrister Snook inquires:
>
> >Anybody have experience with one of these or something like it. It has
> the 5.4L that Ford used in TONS of vehicles.
>
> Google Ford 5.4 Spark Plug removal.
>
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I think Harvard is her second choice.  She is looking at Baylor if she goes 
medicine route and Texas (UT) if she decides on law.  She's 16, so things 
change. :) 


Donald H. Snook 



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From: Floyd Thursby [mailto:buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 9:49 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Don I see an intervention coming here.  NOT Hahvahd

--FT


On 9/13/16 4:01 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
> She is more interested in debate and getting college credit in her classes 
> and going to Harvard.

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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Don I see an intervention coming here.  NOT Hahvahd

--FT


On 9/13/16 4:01 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:

She is more interested in debate and getting college credit in her classes and 
going to Harvard.


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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

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You are right.  By comparison to the Excursion, the Expedition and even the 
Suburban are practically reasonable.  

I think there is a business opportunity for someone with the money and time to 
dedicate to it.  There is a huge market for the Excursion.  There is a serious 
loyal fanbase. The folks who want them pay a premium price because they are so 
heavy duty.  When my stepdaughter was into horses and competed at events, the 
parking lots were full of Excursions towing HUGE horse trailers.  I talked to a 
few folks about them.  They liked the V10 for towing the room and the 
sturdiness of the frame.  The V10s with low miles sell well.  But, the big 
money was for the diesels.  I wonder if there is an opportunity for buying up 
used Excursions and fixing them and reselling them for premium prices. It would 
be similar to the guy who does the same thing with the Jeep Grand Wagoneers.   
If I had the time, money and mechanical expertise, I would really consider it.  

A friend of mine drives an Excursion.  It is his daily driver.  I still don't 
understand that.  He doesn't even tow anything.   

Don Snook 

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Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 11:04 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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> Donald wrote:

> I definitely don't think of an Expedition EL as a Mommy Wagon.

Me either.

> It's a beast.

I beg to differ.  The _Excursion_ is a beast.  The Expedition is just big.



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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I remember years ago, the conventional wisdom was if the vehicle has a lot of 
miles and the transmission has never been serviced, then its best to leave it 
alone.  Is that still true with much more modern transmissions?  The only 
transmission issue I have ever had was with my 1981 Oldsmobile 98.  But, it had 
the 2004r transmission which was notorious for failure at 100,000 miles.  It 
had 135,000 when it failed.  Of all the other cars I have had, I have never had 
a transmission problem (knocking on wood!).  But, I have done transmission 
services on many on many of them to try to be pro-active about it.  Except of 
course, the BMW's I have had because apparently it is a sealed transmission and 
to service it requires a big ordeal. 

Don Snook 

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

Not necessarily issues...  But at near 200k in any full size truck your looking 
at tranny replacement unless someone has been fastidious with fluid changes.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Mitch wrote:  "100,000 mile spark plugs that want to take the threads with 
> them when you finally remove them?
> Or was that a different engine?"
> 
> Rick wrote:
> 
> "Google Ford 5.4 Spark Plug removal."
> 
> Peter wrote:
> 
> "Check the tranny.  If it hasn't been rebuilt it's due."
> 
> 
> Thanks for the info.  I knew about the ignition coil issues on the 5.4L.  
> But, I didn't know about seized plugs.  It seems like just about all vehicles 
> with ignition coils will need them replaced at some point at least once they 
> get enough miles on them.  My thinking on it is it is a trade off compared 
> with replacing plugs, wires, distributor caps, etc. like we all used to have 
> to do every 15-30,000 miles on older cars.   I am wondering how to check 
> this.  I guess I could bring some tools and try to try to remove one of the 
> plugs.  And/or see if the seller has service records showing the plugs were 
> replaced already.  Hopefully with 180K they are not original.  Even if they 
> were changed at 100,000 miles, they would need to be done soon.  But, that's 
> not a huge issue.Now, Peter's warning about the transmission has me 
> concerned.  I didn't know these had transmission issues.
> 
> I had a 2001 Expedition previously and it was a great vehicle.  In fact, my 
> wife pretty much claimed it when I brought it home.  It had almost 180,000 
> miles on it when I sold it.  I never had any problems with it, except I had 
> to replace the fuel pump.   I learned later the fuel pump was a weakness on 
> these vehicles and my wife was bad about running it pretty low.
> 
> Don Snook
> 2001 BMW 740iL M Sport 131K miles (for sale soon)
> 2000 BMW 740iL 227K
> 1992 Ford F-150 148K (possibly for sale soon)
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

My boy had the Benz dizzel wagon, then the girl child drove it! I don't 
think either one of them did THAT sort of thing in it, but I don't want 
to know either.


--R


On 9/13/16 12:44 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Did you ride around in your girlfriend's wagon?
Don't give a son a wagon, its not so bad for a daughter to have...
-Curt

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You do realize that back seat shenanigans are easier in a wagon?


RB


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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Donald wrote:

> I definitely don't think of an Expedition EL as a Mommy Wagon.

Me either.

> It's a beast.

I beg to differ.  The _Excursion_ is a beast.  The Expedition is just
big.

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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL auiFTAykn4

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

My first van was a 66 frod (falcon) econoline.  I put air shocks on the 
rear and would regularly go into the the bad parts of shi town with it.  
One time I had 2000 lb of chocolate plus a ton of other stuff.  It made 
the trip fine.  Imagine putting 2 tons in a frod falcon car.  Same 
thing  most loads were around one ton.  Hauls lots of full sheets of 
plywood too, and the 24' extension ladder fit inside.



OK Don via Mercedes 
September 13, 2016 at 6:54 PM
We had a 1997 Plymouth version that we finally traded in when we 
bought the

F150 in 2013. It was a very good vehicle for hauling lots of people or
stuff. With the seats out you could carry several 4X8 ft. sheets of
plywood.

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <


Donald Snook via Mercedes 
September 13, 2016 at 3:08 PM
Randy wrote:

"Mini-vans may not be cool (or at least the original ones were not - 
the new Honda and Toyota vans have some style that the early Chrysler vans
lacked) but they are very utilitarian. Lots of room to haul people and 
stuff.
My neighbor hauled home tons of stone with his old beat up Chrysler 
mini-box and hauled away tons of junk to the dump as well. Removable 
seats made that possible. Put them back in and take the family 
shopping etc.

Cheaper and more versatile than the SUV."


Many of the early models were crap. But, they were a brilliant idea. 
Later they were much improved. My mother had a Chrysler Town and 
Country with all the bells and whistles and a 3.8 V6. She loved it. 
She and my step-father towed a pop up camper with it on a 3 month trip 
out west through the rockies and all over the Dakotas, Wyoming, etc. 
It ran perfectly. After they sold the pop-up, she continued to drive 
it until she traded it off for a Volvo Wagon.


Don Snook





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Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
September 13, 2016 at 11:15 AM

Mini-vans may not be cool (or at least the original ones were not - 
the new Honda and Toyota vans have some style that the early Chrysler 
vans lacked) but they are very utilitarian. Lots of room to haul 
people and stuff.
My neighbor hauled home tons of stone with his old beat up Chrysler 
mini-box and hauled away tons of junk to the dump as well. Removable 
seats made that possible. Put them back in and take the family 
shopping etc.

Cheaper and more versatile than the SUV.

RB who has never owned one



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Mountain Man via Mercedes 
September 13, 2016 at 11:07 AM
Craig wrote:

KALEB: PLEASE FIX THE "CODE" PROBLEM!!! THERE IS NO REASON WHY I, AS A
MEMBER OF THE LIST FOR MANY YEARS, SHOULD BE IMPACTED BY OTHER
USERS OF MY ISP'S EMAIL SERVER!!!

...

Mini-van

...
YES... Kaleb OkieBenz server, and yes mini-van.
When was the initial mini-van?  No, not VW-Kombi Type 2.  But, real
crapster, chubby, frod 'merkun vehicle?  Never in my life have I ever
appreciated mini-van.
mao

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On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 23:22:21 -0400 archer75--- via Mercedes

Mini-van



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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL aOAFSQrnoe

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

+3 points for Mitch!  Good one!


Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
September 13, 2016 at 6:35 PM

High mile trucks usually spend time on freeways, which put no wear on 
synchros.


Oh, you mean automatics. I try hard (real hard with diesel pickups) to 
avoid

buying used automatics.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL auiFTAykn4

[OK Don via Mercedes]

We had a 1997 Plymouth version that we finally traded in when we bought the
F150 in 2013. It was a very good vehicle for hauling lots of people or
stuff. With the seats out you could carry several 4X8 ft. sheets of
plywood.

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Randy wrote:
>
> "Mini-vans may not be cool (or at least the original ones were not - the
> new Honda and Toyota vans have some style that the early Chrysler vans
> lacked) but they are very utilitarian. Lots of room to haul people and
> stuff.
> My neighbor hauled home tons of stone with his old beat up Chrysler
> mini-box and hauled away tons of junk to the dump as well. Removable seats
> made that possible. Put them back in and take the family shopping etc.
> Cheaper and more versatile than the SUV."
>
>
> Many of the early models were crap. But, they were a brilliant idea.
> Later they were much improved.  My mother had a Chrysler Town and Country
> with all the bells and whistles and a 3.8 V6.  She loved it.  She and my
> step-father towed a pop up camper with it on a 3 month trip out west
> through the rockies and all over the Dakotas, Wyoming, etc.   It ran
> perfectly.  After they sold the pop-up, she continued to drive it until she
> traded it off for a Volvo Wagon.
>
> Don Snook
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL aOAFSQrnoe

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On September 13, 2016 at 7:20 PM Peter Hertzing via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Not necessarily issues...  But at near 200k in any full size truck your
> looking at tranny replacement unless someone has been fastidious with fluid
> changes.

High mile trucks usually spend time on freeways, which put no wear on synchros. 

Oh, you mean automatics. I try hard (real hard with diesel pickups) to avoid
buying used automatics. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Peter Hertzing via Mercedes]

Not necessarily issues...  But at near 200k in any full size truck your looking 
at tranny replacement unless someone has been fastidious with fluid changes.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mitch wrote:  "100,000 mile spark plugs that want to take the threads with 
> them when you finally remove them?
> Or was that a different engine?"
> 
> Rick wrote:
> 
> "Google Ford 5.4 Spark Plug removal."
> 
> Peter wrote:
> 
> "Check the tranny.  If it hasn't been rebuilt it's due."
> 
> 
> Thanks for the info.  I knew about the ignition coil issues on the 5.4L.  
> But, I didn't know about seized plugs.  It seems like just about all vehicles 
> with ignition coils will need them replaced at some point at least once they 
> get enough miles on them.  My thinking on it is it is a trade off compared 
> with replacing plugs, wires, distributor caps, etc. like we all used to have 
> to do every 15-30,000 miles on older cars.   I am wondering how to check 
> this.  I guess I could bring some tools and try to try to remove one of the 
> plugs.  And/or see if the seller has service records showing the plugs were 
> replaced already.  Hopefully with 180K they are not original.  Even if they 
> were changed at 100,000 miles, they would need to be done soon.  But, that's 
> not a huge issue.Now, Peter's warning about the transmission has me 
> concerned.  I didn't know these had transmission issues.
> 
> I had a 2001 Expedition previously and it was a great vehicle.  In fact, my 
> wife pretty much claimed it when I brought it home.  It had almost 180,000 
> miles on it when I sold it.  I never had any problems with it, except I had 
> to replace the fuel pump.   I learned later the fuel pump was a weakness on 
> these vehicles and my wife was bad about running it pretty low.
> 
> Don Snook
> 2001 BMW 740iL M Sport 131K miles (for sale soon)
> 2000 BMW 740iL 227K
> 1992 Ford F-150 148K (possibly for sale soon)
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Don, I've seen a Cadillac tall wagon around town here, don't know if they still 
make them but it looked to be current.  Had that angular look, like the car was 
based on an origami model, that Cadillac started a few years ago and now 
corvette is imitating.
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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL auiFTAykn4

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Randy wrote: 

"Mini-vans may not be cool (or at least the original ones were not - the new 
Honda and Toyota vans have some style that the early Chrysler vans
lacked) but they are very utilitarian. Lots of room to haul people and stuff.
My neighbor hauled home tons of stone with his old beat up Chrysler mini-box 
and hauled away tons of junk to the dump as well. Removable seats made that 
possible. Put them back in and take the family shopping etc.
Cheaper and more versatile than the SUV." 


Many of the early models were crap. But, they were a brilliant idea.  Later 
they were much improved.  My mother had a Chrysler Town and Country with all 
the bells and whistles and a 3.8 V6.  She loved it.  She and my step-father 
towed a pop up camper with it on a 3 month trip out west through the rockies 
and all over the Dakotas, Wyoming, etc.   It ran perfectly.  After they sold 
the pop-up, she continued to drive it until she traded it off for a Volvo 
Wagon.  

Don Snook  





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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL auiFTAykn4

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

The first minivan used in its typical modern sense were the Chrysler Minivans 
in 1984.   No matter what you think of them, they were a spectacular success 
and a huge automotive milestone.  Lee Iaccoca took a K Car and turned it into a 
minivan and sold MILLIONS of them. It was brilliant. 

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
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Craig wrote:
> KALEB: PLEASE FIX THE "CODE" PROBLEM!!! THERE IS NO REASON WHY I, AS A
>MEMBER OF THE LIST FOR MANY YEARS, SHOULD BE IMPACTED BY OTHER
>USERS OF MY ISP'S EMAIL SERVER!!!
...
> Mini-van
...
YES... Kaleb OkieBenz server, and yes mini-van.
When was the initial mini-van?  No, not VW-Kombi Type 2.  But, real crapster, 
chubby, frod 'merkun vehicle?  Never in my life have I ever appreciated 
mini-van.
mao


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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Randy wrote:


"You do realize that back seat shenanigans are easier in a wagon?"

She is dumps any boyfriend that gets too clingy.  She is a real hard ass -- all 
4'10" of her.  She is more interested in debate and getting college credit in 
her classes and going to Harvard.   She just turned 16 and if we can't slow her 
down, she will be able to graduate early.  I'm not worried about her engaging 
in any shenanigans.  She is too focused and ambitious.   Her biggest concerns 
right now seem to be whether she should be a pediatric neurosurgeon (I think 
she got the idea from Gray's Anatomy) or whether she should be a lawyer.   I 
told her to forget them both and be a dentist!  Actually, I'm almost certain 
she will be a lawyer.  But, as long as she is happy, I don't care (within 
reason, of course).  When she was 12 she wanted to go to clown college.  So, 
things have improved a lot.

Don Snook




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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL a5QFSuTU6E

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I had a Chrysler minivan and a Ford Aerostar. With kids these things are a 
blessing, especially if you do any traveling at all. Not to mention they're 
great for hauling stuff. I don't recall which one it was, but one of them I 
could get a full sheet of plywood in the back.

I am not the least embarrassed to claim ownership. At the time they met the 
needs we had, but as soon as they didn't, I ditched them.

Dan

>> On Sep 13, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 13/09/2016 11:07 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Craig wrote:
>>> KALEB: PLEASE FIX THE "CODE" PROBLEM!!! THERE IS NO REASON WHY I, AS A
>>>   MEMBER OF THE LIST FOR MANY YEARS, SHOULD BE IMPACTED BY OTHER
>>>   USERS OF MY ISP'S EMAIL SERVER!!!
>> ...
>>> Mini-van
>> ...
>> YES... Kaleb OkieBenz server, and yes mini-van.
>> When was the initial mini-van?  No, not VW-Kombi Type 2.  But, real
>> crapster, chubby, frod 'merkun vehicle?  Never in my life have I ever
>> appreciated mini-van.
>> mao
>> 
>> ___
> Mini-vans may not be cool (or at least the original ones were not - the new 
> Honda and Toyota vans have some style that the early Chrysler vans lacked) 
> but they are very utilitarian. Lots of room to haul people and stuff.
> My neighbor hauled home tons of stone with his old beat up Chrysler mini-box 
> and hauled away tons of junk to the dump as well. Removable seats made that 
> possible. Put them back in and take the family shopping etc.
> Cheaper and more versatile than the SUV.
> 
> RB who has never owned one
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

No, unfortunately, I am old enough that the girls did not have cars of 
their own back then.


RB

On 13/09/2016 11:44 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Did you ride around in your girlfriend's wagon?
Don't give a son a wagon, its not so bad for a daughter to have...
-Curt

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You do realize that back seat shenanigans are easier in a wagon?


RB


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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL auiFTAykn4

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Lately I've found myself considering the purchase of a Chevy Astro...
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On September 13, 2016 12:23:12 PM EDT, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>RB wrote:
>> ... they are very utilitarian.
>
>Yes, utilitarian, but no thanks.
>mao who has never owned one
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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Did you ride around in your girlfriend's wagon?
Don't give a son a wagon, its not so bad for a daughter to have...
-Curt

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 Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 11:20 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL
   
You do realize that back seat shenanigans are easier in a wagon?

RB


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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL auiFTAykn4

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

RB wrote:
> ... they are very utilitarian.

Yes, utilitarian, but no thanks.
mao who has never owned one

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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL auiFTAykn4

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 13/09/2016 11:07 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:

Craig wrote:

KALEB: PLEASE FIX THE "CODE" PROBLEM!!! THERE IS NO REASON WHY I, AS A
MEMBER OF THE LIST FOR MANY YEARS, SHOULD BE IMPACTED BY OTHER
USERS OF MY ISP'S EMAIL SERVER!!!

...

Mini-van

...
YES... Kaleb OkieBenz server, and yes mini-van.
When was the initial mini-van?  No, not VW-Kombi Type 2.  But, real
crapster, chubby, frod 'merkun vehicle?  Never in my life have I ever
appreciated mini-van.
mao

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Mini-vans may not be cool (or at least the original ones were not - the 
new Honda and Toyota vans have some style that the early Chrysler vans 
lacked) but they are very utilitarian. Lots of room to haul people and 
stuff.
My neighbor hauled home tons of stone with his old beat up Chrysler 
mini-box and hauled away tons of junk to the dump as well. Removable 
seats made that possible. Put them back in and take the family shopping etc.

Cheaper and more versatile than the SUV.

RB who has never owned one



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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL auiFTAykn4

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Craig wrote:
> KALEB: PLEASE FIX THE "CODE" PROBLEM!!! THERE IS NO REASON WHY I, AS A
>MEMBER OF THE LIST FOR MANY YEARS, SHOULD BE IMPACTED BY OTHER
>USERS OF MY ISP'S EMAIL SERVER!!!
...
> Mini-van
...
YES... Kaleb OkieBenz server, and yes mini-van.
When was the initial mini-van?  No, not VW-Kombi Type 2.  But, real
crapster, chubby, frod 'merkun vehicle?  Never in my life have I ever
appreciated mini-van.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 13/09/2016 10:14 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:

Archer wrote:

"Daughter had a Ford mommy wagon about that time and that many miles which blew a 
transmission, and I read something about those transmissions being a problem, so it might 
be good to consider a replacement as Mitch suggests."

Max wrote:

"Is that what I'm driving?  A mommy (station) wagon?"

Archer wrote:

"Mommy wagons have the sliding side doors; station wagons are extended sedans like 
they have always been. They're called mommy wagons because you most frequently see a 
mommy driving with kids in the back except in places like Geritol Acres where I live. 
Their names probably vary with regions. I've forgotten what the official name is."


I definitely don't think of an Expedition EL as a Mommy Wagon.  It's a beast.  
The Mommy wagons I see around here are the Toyota Sienna Minivan, the Honda 
Odyssey Minivan and the Nissan Quest minivan.  Most of the time when I see a 
Suburban or an Expedition, it has one person in it and no kids.  One of the 
private schools (for the rich kids) is not too far from my house and if I drive 
past it on the way to work, the line of vehicles dropping little Jayden, Aiden, 
Cayden, and Jackson, Jaxson, and Jack are all Honda Odysseys.   Now, if I drive 
by the Country Club where the parents are even richer and the kids are older, 
there are lots of Escalades and Lexus RX.

The reality is all the SUVs and Minivans look like they descend from a common 
ancestor - the station wagon.   I actually wish someone would still make a full 
size wagon that looks like a station wagon instead of Suburban.  But, there 
isn't much of a market for them.

My wife has been giving me a hard time for "corrupting" her 16 year old 
daughter.  She recently announced she wants a wagon - an Audi Wagon specifically.  I'll 
have to keep working on her to get her to shift her focus to a MB wagon instead!

Don Snook




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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Archer wrote:

"Daughter had a Ford mommy wagon about that time and that many miles which blew 
a transmission, and I read something about those transmissions being a problem, 
so it might be good to consider a replacement as Mitch suggests."

Max wrote:

"Is that what I'm driving?  A mommy (station) wagon?"

Archer wrote:

"Mommy wagons have the sliding side doors; station wagons are extended sedans 
like they have always been. They're called mommy wagons because you most 
frequently see a mommy driving with kids in the back except in places like 
Geritol Acres where I live. Their names probably vary with regions. I've 
forgotten what the official name is."


I definitely don't think of an Expedition EL as a Mommy Wagon.  It's a beast.  
The Mommy wagons I see around here are the Toyota Sienna Minivan, the Honda 
Odyssey Minivan and the Nissan Quest minivan.  Most of the time when I see a 
Suburban or an Expedition, it has one person in it and no kids.  One of the 
private schools (for the rich kids) is not too far from my house and if I drive 
past it on the way to work, the line of vehicles dropping little Jayden, Aiden, 
Cayden, and Jackson, Jaxson, and Jack are all Honda Odysseys.   Now, if I drive 
by the Country Club where the parents are even richer and the kids are older, 
there are lots of Escalades and Lexus RX.

The reality is all the SUVs and Minivans look like they descend from a common 
ancestor - the station wagon.   I actually wish someone would still make a full 
size wagon that looks like a station wagon instead of Suburban.  But, there 
isn't much of a market for them.

My wife has been giving me a hard time for "corrupting" her 16 year old 
daughter.  She recently announced she wants a wagon - an Audi Wagon 
specifically.  I'll have to keep working on her to get her to shift her focus 
to a MB wagon instead!

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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

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I've always referred to them as mommyvans.

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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL auiFTAykn4

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Meenie-Vayan

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On 9/13/16 12:01 AM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 23:22:21 -0400 archer75--- via Mercedes
 wrote:


Mommy wagons have the sliding side doors; station wagons are extended
sedans like they have always been. They're called mommy wagons because
you most frequently see a mommy driving with kids in the back except in
places like Geritol Acres where I live. Their names probably vary with
regions. I've forgotten what the official name is.

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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL auiFTAykn4

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On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 23:22:21 -0400 archer75--- via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Mommy wagons have the sliding side doors; station wagons are extended
> sedans like they have always been. They're called mommy wagons because
> you most frequently see a mommy driving with kids in the back except in
> places like Geritol Acres where I live. Their names probably vary with
> regions. I've forgotten what the official name is.

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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

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Mommy wagons have the sliding side doors; station wagons are extended sedans 
like they have always been. They're called mommy wagons because you most 
frequently see a mommy driving with kids in the back except in places like 
Geritol Acres where I live. Their names probably vary with regions. I've 
forgotten what the official name is. 

Max Dillon wrote:
> Is that what I'm driving?  A mommy (station) wagon? ;)
> -- 
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> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
> On September 12, 2016 7:29:43 PM EDT, archer75--- via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> >Daughter had a Ford mommy wagon about that time and that many miles
> >which blew a transmission, and

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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

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Is that what I'm driving?  A mommy (station) wagon?

;)
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On September 12, 2016 7:29:43 PM EDT, archer75--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Daughter had a Ford mommy wagon about that time and that many miles
>which blew a transmission, and

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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

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Daughter had a Ford mommy wagon about that time and that many miles which blew 
a transmission, and I read something about those transmissions being a problem, 
so it might be good to consider a replacement as Mitch suggests.

Then my daughter bought a Toyota mommy wagon and finally sold it because the 
dealer could never get the sliding door fixed.
She's had a GL320cdi for the last 8-10 years and loves it in spite of numerous 
repairs; part or most of which was probably due to a dishonest dealer. (She 
sued the dealer for the last attempted dishonesty of $15,000 and got full 
restitution. Lawyer cost her $1500.)

Donald Snook wrote:
> Mitch wrote:  "100,000 mile spark plugs that want to take the threads with 
> them when you finally remove them?
> Or was that a different engine?"
> 
> Rick wrote:
> 
> "Google Ford 5.4 Spark Plug removal."
> 
> Peter wrote:
> 
> "Check the tranny.  If it hasn't been rebuilt it's due."
> 
> 
> Thanks for the info.  I knew about the ignition coil issues on the 5.4L.  
> But, I didn't know about seized plugs.  It seems like just about all vehicles 
> with ignition coils will need them replaced at some point at least once they 
> get enough miles on them.  My thinking on it is it is a trade off compared 
> with replacing plugs, wires, distributor caps, etc. like we all used to have 
> to do every 15-30,000 miles on older cars.   I am wondering how to check 
> this.  I guess I could bring some tools and try to try to remove one of the 
> plugs.  And/or see if the seller has service records showing the plugs were 
> replaced already.  Hopefully with 180K they are not original.  Even if they 
> were changed at 100,000 miles, they would need to be done soon.  But, that's 
> not a huge issue.Now, Peter's warning about the transmission has me 
> concerned.  I didn't know these had transmission issues.
> 
> I had a 2001 Expedition previously and it was a great vehicle.  In fact, my 
> wife pretty much claimed it when I brought it home.  It had almost 180,000 
> miles on it when I sold it.  I never had any problems with it, except I had 
> to replace the fuel pump.   I learned later the fuel pump was a weakness on 
> these vehicles and my wife was bad about running it pretty low.
> 
> Don Snook
> 2001 BMW 740iL M Sport 131K miles (for sale soon)
> 2000 BMW 740iL 227K
> 1992 Ford F-150 148K (possibly for sale soon)
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 12/09/2016 10:11 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:

Mitch wrote:  "100,000 mile spark plugs that want to take the threads with them 
when you finally remove them?
Or was that a different engine?"

Rick wrote:

"Google Ford 5.4 Spark Plug removal."

Peter wrote:

"Check the tranny.  If it hasn't been rebuilt it's due."


Thanks for the info.  I knew about the ignition coil issues on the 5.4L.  But, 
I didn't know about seized plugs.  It seems like just about all vehicles with 
ignition coils will need them replaced at some point at least once they get 
enough miles on them.  My thinking on it is it is a trade off compared with 
replacing plugs, wires, distributor caps, etc. like we all used to have to do 
every 15-30,000 miles on older cars.   I am wondering how to check this.  I 
guess I could bring some tools and try to try to remove one of the plugs.  
And/or see if the seller has service records showing the plugs were replaced 
already.  Hopefully with 180K they are not original.  Even if they were changed 
at 100,000 miles, they would need to be done soon.  But, that's not a huge 
issue.Now, Peter's warning about the transmission has me concerned.  I 
didn't know these had transmission issues.

I had a 2001 Expedition previously and it was a great vehicle.  In fact, my 
wife pretty much claimed it when I brought it home.  It had almost 180,000 
miles on it when I sold it.  I never had any problems with it, except I had to 
replace the fuel pump.   I learned later the fuel pump was a weakness on these 
vehicles and my wife was bad about running it pretty low.

Don Snook
2001 BMW 740iL M Sport 131K miles (for sale soon)
2000 BMW 740iL 227K
1992 Ford F-150 148K (possibly for sale soon)




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A bit of a different beast, but I had an 02 F150 Supercrew with the 
earlier 5.4 motor that was prone to spitting out spark plugs. My son has 
it now with about 211K miles on it and the motor and transmission are 
fine so far. We have not had failure of the spark plug threads to date. 
I did go through a time when I replaced several COP's but I don't 
believe Tom has replaced any more during the last  couple of years. I 
suppose heat down south might be an issue for the transmission but we 
have not had issues to date. I bought the truck with about 90K miles on 
it so no idea of its early history really. I changed the trans oil and 
filter once and Tom has done it once since he got it 3 years ago. Should 
do it again.
The newer versions of the 5.4 had the issues with the long reach spark 
plugs coming apart when trying to remove them but there are specialty 
tools for removing the piece if that happens. I am not sure I know 
enough about the later 5.4 engines to go much further but if I recall 
correctly, they have the variable valve timing and if the oil has not 
been changed regularely and  that mechanism wears out, it is expensive 
to fix.

However, the later 5.4 makes more power than the earlier ones.
I have the 5.0 coyote engine in the replacement SC and I like it. More 
power etc. I got it with about 7K miles on it and I have been running 
Mobil1 so hopefully, it will endure as it looks to be a complex engine too.


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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Mitch wrote:  "100,000 mile spark plugs that want to take the threads with them 
when you finally remove them?
Or was that a different engine?"

Rick wrote:

"Google Ford 5.4 Spark Plug removal."

Peter wrote:

"Check the tranny.  If it hasn't been rebuilt it's due."


Thanks for the info.  I knew about the ignition coil issues on the 5.4L.  But, 
I didn't know about seized plugs.  It seems like just about all vehicles with 
ignition coils will need them replaced at some point at least once they get 
enough miles on them.  My thinking on it is it is a trade off compared with 
replacing plugs, wires, distributor caps, etc. like we all used to have to do 
every 15-30,000 miles on older cars.   I am wondering how to check this.  I 
guess I could bring some tools and try to try to remove one of the plugs.  
And/or see if the seller has service records showing the plugs were replaced 
already.  Hopefully with 180K they are not original.  Even if they were changed 
at 100,000 miles, they would need to be done soon.  But, that's not a huge 
issue.Now, Peter's warning about the transmission has me concerned.  I 
didn't know these had transmission issues.

I had a 2001 Expedition previously and it was a great vehicle.  In fact, my 
wife pretty much claimed it when I brought it home.  It had almost 180,000 
miles on it when I sold it.  I never had any problems with it, except I had to 
replace the fuel pump.   I learned later the fuel pump was a weakness on these 
vehicles and my wife was bad about running it pretty low.

Don Snook
2001 BMW 740iL M Sport 131K miles (for sale soon)
2000 BMW 740iL 227K
1992 Ford F-150 148K (possibly for sale soon)




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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Amen!  Pass the ammunition!

Make the seller E spark plugs or OM606 or later glow plugs before 
purchase.  Then take the purchase home and remove the plugs and put on 
the NeverSeeze.  It is available at Motion Industries and others.



G Mann via Mercedes 
September 11, 2016 at 12:23 PM
It's been my practice for the past 30+ years to ALWAYS coat the threads of
spark plugs with "Never Seize". There are many versions made by the Never
Seize company, my preferred version is a nickle based product.. I'm sure
the more common copper based version works well, since I have also used
that.

Never had a plug fail to come out since I've started using it.. Started
using it because I did a lot of work on Aluminum head "furren" cars and
motorcycles... it works equally well with cast iron heads/ plugs.

Use it... you'll be glad you did at next tune up.



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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I used some on the subbornly noisy door check in our 2010 Dodge RAM 1500, its 
cured the issue. I had been using just regular grease which would quiet the 
thing for a couple days but pretty quick we'd be back to "sqk" every time 
you opened the door.
I seem to have lost that tube which is too bad I need to try it on the Golf 
which doesn't make noise but has very stiff doors that grease has helped but 
not as much as I'd like.
-Curt

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It's been my practice for the past 30+ years to ALWAYS coat the threads of
spark plugs with "Never Seize".  There are many versions made by the Never
Seize company, my preferred version is a nickle based product.. I'm sure
the more common copper based version works well, since I have also used
that.

Never had a plug fail to come out since I've started using it.. Started
using it because I did a lot of work on Aluminum head "furren" cars and
motorcycles... it works equally well with cast iron heads/ plugs.

Use it... you'll be glad you did at next tune up.

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Peter Hertzing via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yep..  Impact gets it done each time...  Never had one break doing it
> that way..  Check the tranny.  If it hasn't been rebuilt it's due.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 10, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Rick Sez:
> >
> >> Google Ford 5.4 Spark Plug removal.
> >
> > Seafoam in the intake. Hot engine. Use an impact.
> >
> > https://youtu.be/XOVhhkC3A2c
> >
> > The approved Ford method
> >
> > https://youtu.be/PHQxnG6Bd3o
> >
> > https://youtu.be/_NNLWwA8FtE
> >
> > Or break them and use this...
> >
> > https://youtu.be/lkantvvD0K8
> >
> > SImilar, I think, to an OM606 glow plug change.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[G Mann via Mercedes]

It's been my practice for the past 30+ years to ALWAYS coat the threads of
spark plugs with "Never Seize".  There are many versions made by the Never
Seize company, my preferred version is a nickle based product.. I'm sure
the more common copper based version works well, since I have also used
that.

Never had a plug fail to come out since I've started using it.. Started
using it because I did a lot of work on Aluminum head "furren" cars and
motorcycles... it works equally well with cast iron heads/ plugs.

Use it... you'll be glad you did at next tune up.

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Peter Hertzing via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yep..  Impact gets it done each time...   Never had one break doing it
> that way..  Check the tranny.  If it hasn't been rebuilt it's due.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 10, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Rick Sez:
> >
> >> Google Ford 5.4 Spark Plug removal.
> >
> > Seafoam in the intake. Hot engine. Use an impact.
> >
> > https://youtu.be/XOVhhkC3A2c
> >
> > The approved Ford method
> >
> > https://youtu.be/PHQxnG6Bd3o
> >
> > https://youtu.be/_NNLWwA8FtE
> >
> > Or break them and use this...
> >
> > https://youtu.be/lkantvvD0K8
> >
> > SImilar, I think, to an OM606 glow plug change.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Peter Hertzing via Mercedes]

Yep..  Impact gets it done each time...   Never had one break doing it that 
way..  Check the tranny.  If it hasn't been rebuilt it's due.   

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 10, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Rick Sez:
> 
>> Google Ford 5.4 Spark Plug removal.
> 
> Seafoam in the intake. Hot engine. Use an impact.
> 
> https://youtu.be/XOVhhkC3A2c
> 
> The approved Ford method
> 
> https://youtu.be/PHQxnG6Bd3o
> 
> https://youtu.be/_NNLWwA8FtE
> 
> Or break them and use this...
> 
> https://youtu.be/lkantvvD0K8
> 
> SImilar, I think, to an OM606 glow plug change.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Rick Sez:

>Google Ford 5.4 Spark Plug removal.

Seafoam in the intake. Hot engine. Use an impact.

https://youtu.be/XOVhhkC3A2c

The approved Ford method

https://youtu.be/PHQxnG6Bd3o

https://youtu.be/_NNLWwA8FtE

Or break them and use this...

https://youtu.be/lkantvvD0K8

SImilar, I think, to an OM606 glow plug change.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Barrister Snook inquires:

>Anybody have experience with one of these or something like it. It has the 
>5.4L that Ford used in TONS of vehicles.

Google Ford 5.4 Spark Plug removal.

Rick
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