Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

You know what I just remembered, I never did get around to putting in an auto 
antenna lock out. Back when I had a car with a working auto antenna I found 
that if it was very cold out or we'd had sleet or freezing rain the dang thing 
would get frozen down. No amount of siliconcarne spray would help it.
I figured the best solution would be to put a toggle switch at the antenna that 
would leave it up for the winter...

-Curt
 

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No ACC    That is a WAY POSITIVE

Crank Windows  That is a positive for many folks

Broken Auto antenna  So what?  Fix it or put on a $7 antenna.

But from an authorized stealer, i'd expect things to be fixed.



>No ACC
>Crank Windows
>Broken Auto antenna
>
>I'd pass.
>On Dec 18, 2015 12:52 PM, "WILTON via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>wrote:
>
>>  Yep, I noticed.
>>
>>  Wilton
>>
>>  - Original Message - From: "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <
>>  mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>  To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>  Cc: "Curt Raymond" <curtlud...@yahoo.com>
>>  Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 12:13 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh
>>
>>
>>  No underhood pics.
>>>  The detailer is no Mercedes Martha, didn't even pull the badges or bother
>>>  to clean around them...
>  >> -Curt
>  >>

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

You know what I just remembered, I never did get around to putting 
in an auto antenna lock out. Back when I had a car with a working 
auto antenna I found that if it was very cold out or we'd had sleet 
or freezing rain the dang thing would get frozen down. No amount of 
siliconcarne spray would help it.
I figured the best solution would be to put a toggle switch at the 
antenna that would leave it up for the winter...


-Curt



Easy.  Put it up and pull the plug in the trunk.  It stays up.  In 
the spring, IF you feel llke it, you can plug it in again...or not.


I just leave mine up now

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Its not hard to put pencil plugs in the older cars. My '79 240D had 'em.
-Curt
 

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>Cracked tires?  Wonder why they didn't straighten hood star? 
>Leaking sun roof?
>
>Wilton

Its not hard to force a stealer to put on new tars.  I did when I was 19.

No MB has has a real star since 1995 or so.  That is 20 years ago.  I 
doubt anyone in the stealership has been there 20 years.  They simply 
don't know how to straighten the star.  They have never done that.


The only things I don't like about the car are :
#1 price
#2 too old.  82 or 83 are more desirable, but they sold few cars in 
1982.  I want pencil GPs.




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Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Cracked tires?  Wonder why they didn't straighten hood star?  Leaking sun 
roof?


Wilton

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Subject: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh



Son says they're asking 5500.

http://www.cabrioletmotors.com/mobile/mImagesAll.aspx?cmb=0%7C257372218%7C250381

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

No underhood pics.
The detailer is no Mercedes Martha, didn't even pull the badges or bother to 
clean around them...
-Curt

 

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 Subject: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh
   
Son says they're asking 5500.

http://www.cabrioletmotors.com/mobile/mImagesAll.aspx?cmb=0%7C257372218%7C250381

Wilton


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[MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Son says they're asking 5500.

http://www.cabrioletmotors.com/mobile/mImagesAll.aspx?cmb=0%7C257372218%7C250381

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep, I noticed.

Wilton

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Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh



No underhood pics.
The detailer is no Mercedes Martha, didn't even pull the badges or bother 
to clean around them...

-Curt



 From: WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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Cc: WILTON <wilt...@nc.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 11:29 AM
Subject: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh

Son says they're asking 5500.

http://www.cabrioletmotors.com/mobile/mImagesAll.aspx?cmb=0%7C257372218%7C250381

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Cracked tires?  Wonder why they didn't straighten hood star? 
Leaking sun roof?


Wilton


Its not hard to force a stealer to put on new tars.  I did when I was 19.

No MB has has a real star since 1995 or so.  That is 20 years ago.  I 
doubt anyone in the stealership has been there 20 years.  They simply 
don't know how to straighten the star.  They have never done that.



The only things I don't like about the car are :
#1 price
#2 too old.  82 or 83 are more desirable, but they sold few cars in 
1982.   I want pencil GPs.





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Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

How often do you replace glow plugs? They aren't terribly expensive and they're 
WAY easier to do on the older cars.
I like the older car to work on, less hoses and such cluttering up the place. 
If you're cruising around town I really like the York AC compressor too, it'll 
freeze you right out. My '83 might have had just a hint more power but neither 
was a racehorse.
 
-Curt


  From: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 12:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh
   
I first did that 30 years ago.  They cost more than 0 250 201 039 
GPs, often by a factor of 2.  They don't last as long as the 0250 210 
039 GPs or equivalent Beru.

Dollars equal, I'll hold out for an 81, 82, 83  If you give me a 80 
or earlier, I'll take it.

>Its not hard to put pencil plugs in the older cars. My '79 240D had 'em.
>-Curt
>
>
>      From: Curly McLain via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>Cc: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>  Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 12:10 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh
>  
>>Cracked tires?  Wonder why they didn't straighten hood star?
>>Leaking sun roof?
>>
>>Wilton
>
>Its not hard to force a stealer to put on new tars.  I did when I was 19.
>
>No MB has has a real star since 1995 or so.  That is 20 years ago.  I
>doubt anyone in the stealership has been there 20 years.  They simply
>don't know how to straighten the star.  They have never done that.
>
>
>The only things I don't like about the car are :
>#1 price
>#2 too old.  82 or 83 are more desirable, but they sold few cars in
>1982.  I want pencil GPs.


  
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I first did that 30 years ago.  They cost more than 0 250 201 039 
GPs, often by a factor of 2.  They don't last as long as the 0250 210 
039 GPs or equivalent Beru.


Dollars equal, I'll hold out for an 81, 82, 83   If you give me a 80 
or earlier, I'll take it.



Its not hard to put pencil plugs in the older cars. My '79 240D had 'em.
-Curt


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 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 12:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh
  

Cracked tires?  Wonder why they didn't straighten hood star?
Leaking sun roof?

Wilton


Its not hard to force a stealer to put on new tars.  I did when I was 19.

No MB has has a real star since 1995 or so.  That is 20 years ago.  I
doubt anyone in the stealership has been there 20 years.  They simply
don't know how to straighten the star.  They have never done that.


The only things I don't like about the car are :
#1 price
#2 too old.  82 or 83 are more desirable, but they sold few cars in
1982.  I want pencil GPs.


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Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

No ACC
Crank Windows
Broken Auto antenna

I'd pass.
On Dec 18, 2015 12:52 PM, "WILTON via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> Yep, I noticed.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <
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> Cc: "Curt Raymond" <curtlud...@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 12:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh
>
>
> No underhood pics.
>> The detailer is no Mercedes Martha, didn't even pull the badges or bother
>> to clean around them...
>> -Curt
>>
>>
>>
>>  From: WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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>> Cc: WILTON <wilt...@nc.rr.com>
>> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 11:29 AM
>> Subject: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh
>>
>> Son says they're asking 5500.
>>
>>
>> http://www.cabrioletmotors.com/mobile/mImagesAll.aspx?cmb=0%7C257372218%7C250381
>>
>> Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

No ACC and crank windows are the two BEST things about the car, 2 fewer things 
to go wrong.
The broken auto antenna is simplicity itself to replace. For that price they 
should have already replaced it.
-Curt
 

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Cc: WILTON <wilt...@nc.rr.com>; Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>
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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh
   
No ACC
Crank Windows
Broken Auto antennaI'd pass.On Dec 18, 2015 12:52 PM, "WILTON via Mercedes" 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Yep, I noticed.

Wilton

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Cc: "Curt Raymond" <curtlud...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh



No underhood pics.
The detailer is no Mercedes Martha, didn't even pull the badges or bother to 
clean around them...
-Curt



     From: WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
To: mercedes list <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: WILTON <wilt...@nc.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 11:29 AM
Subject: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh

Son says they're asking 5500.

http://www.cabrioletmotors.com/mobile/mImagesAll.aspx?cmb=0%7C257372218%7C250381

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I love pw. Cranks are a PIA. ACC exemplifies superior engineering and is
relatively easy to maintain, even for me.
On Dec 18, 2015 1:36 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> No ACC and crank windows are the two BEST things about the car, 2 fewer
> things to go wrong.
> The broken auto antenna is simplicity itself to replace. For that price
> they should have already replaced it.
> -Curt
>
>
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: WILTON <wilt...@nc.rr.com>; Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>
>  Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 1:33 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh
>
> No ACC
> Crank Windows
> Broken Auto antennaI'd pass.On Dec 18, 2015 12:52 PM, "WILTON via
> Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Yep, I noticed.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: "Curt Raymond" <curtlud...@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 12:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh
>
>
>
> No underhood pics.
> The detailer is no Mercedes Martha, didn't even pull the badges or bother
> to clean around them...
> -Curt
>
>
>
>  From: WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: mercedes list <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: WILTON <wilt...@nc.rr.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 11:29 AM
> Subject: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh
>
> Son says they're asking 5500.
>
>
> http://www.cabrioletmotors.com/mobile/mImagesAll.aspx?cmb=0%7C257372218%7C250381
>
> Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Yes, I have had monovalve problems like everyone else.  Once they were
fixed, however, they didn't break again, like most Mercedes repairs.

I am not a big fan of the manual s/r in my  two 123 wagons because I have
two surgically repaired shoulders (one of each), but at least I don't have
to stop the car and get out of the driver's seat to adjust them, as would
be the case if the cars had crank windows.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Darren Marshall via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> If anyone wants mine for less, holler :)
>
> Darren Marshall
> Co-Founder
>
> http://doejo.com
> http://bowtruss.com
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>
> > On Dec 18, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Haven't you had repeated monovalve failures leaving you cold? The only
> time either of my 240Ds left me cold it was a dead fan, I kicked it a
> couple times and it came back to life...
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> >
> >  From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>; Curt Raymond <
> curtlud...@yahoo.com>
> > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 1:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh
> >
> > I love pw. Cranks are a PIA. ACC exemplifies superior engineering and is
> relatively easy to maintain, even for me.On Dec 18, 2015 1:36 PM, "Curt
> Raymond via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > No ACC and crank windows are the two BEST things about the car, 2 fewer
> things to go wrong.
> > The broken auto antenna is simplicity itself to replace. For that price
> they should have already replaced it.
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> >   From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
> >  To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > Cc: WILTON <wilt...@nc.rr.com>; Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>
> >  Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 1:33 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh
> >
> > No ACC
> > Crank Windows
> > Broken Auto antennaI'd pass.On Dec 18, 2015 12:52 PM, "WILTON via
> Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yep, I noticed.
> >
> > Wilton
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <
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> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > Cc: "Curt Raymond" <curtlud...@yahoo.com>
> > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 12:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh
> >
> >
> >
> > No underhood pics.
> > The detailer is no Mercedes Martha, didn't even pull the badges or
> bother to clean around them...
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> >
> >  From: WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > To: mercedes list <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > Cc: WILTON <wilt...@nc.rr.com>
> > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 11:29 AM
> > Subject: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh
> >
> > Son says they're asking 5500.
> >
> >
> http://www.cabrioletmotors.com/mobile/mImagesAll.aspx?cmb=0%7C257372218%7C250381
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh

[OK Don via Mercedes]

The sunroof is manual - those a re far superior to the electric ones in my
experience (if you HAVE to have a hole in the roof). I wonder if the
staining around the sunroof and headliner is from using contact cement to
re-attach the headliner?

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I love pw. Cranks are a PIA. ACC exemplifies superior engineering and is
> relatively easy to maintain, even for me.
> On Dec 18, 2015 1:36 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > No ACC and crank windows are the two BEST things about the car, 2 fewer
> > things to go wrong.
> > The broken auto antenna is simplicity itself to replace. For that price
> > they should have already replaced it.
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> >   From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
> >  To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > Cc: WILTON <wilt...@nc.rr.com>; Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>
> >  Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 1:33 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh
> >
> > No ACC
> > Crank Windows
> > Broken Auto antennaI'd pass.On Dec 18, 2015 12:52 PM, "WILTON via
> > Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yep, I noticed.
> >
> > Wilton
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <
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> > Cc: "Curt Raymond" <curtlud...@yahoo.com>
> > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 12:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh
> >
> >
> >
> > No underhood pics.
> > The detailer is no Mercedes Martha, didn't even pull the badges or bother
> > to clean around them...
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> >
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> > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 11:29 AM
> > Subject: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh
> >
> > Son says they're asking 5500.
> >
> >
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> http://www.cabrioletmotors.com/mobile/mImagesAll.aspx?cmb=0%7C257372218%7C250381
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh

[OK Don via Mercedes]

ACC is WONDERFUL when it works - but is a real pain in the ass when it
doesn't.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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> Haven't you had repeated monovalve failures leaving you cold? The only
> time either of my 240Ds left me cold it was a dead fan, I kicked it a
> couple times and it came back to life...
> -Curt
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh

[Darren Marshall via Mercedes]

If anyone wants mine for less, holler :)

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> On Dec 18, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Haven't you had repeated monovalve failures leaving you cold? The only time 
> either of my 240Ds left me cold it was a dead fan, I kicked it a couple times 
> and it came back to life...
> -Curt
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>; Curt Raymond 
> <curtlud...@yahoo.com> 
> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 1:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh
> 
> I love pw. Cranks are a PIA. ACC exemplifies superior engineering and is 
> relatively easy to maintain, even for me.On Dec 18, 2015 1:36 PM, "Curt 
> Raymond via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> No ACC and crank windows are the two BEST things about the car, 2 fewer 
> things to go wrong.
> The broken auto antenna is simplicity itself to replace. For that price they 
> should have already replaced it.
> -Curt
> 
> 
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: WILTON <wilt...@nc.rr.com>; Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>
>  Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 1:33 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh
> 
> No ACC
> Crank Windows
> Broken Auto antennaI'd pass.On Dec 18, 2015 12:52 PM, "WILTON via Mercedes" 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Yep, I noticed.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
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> Cc: "Curt Raymond" <curtlud...@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 12:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh
> 
> 
> 
> No underhood pics.
> The detailer is no Mercedes Martha, didn't even pull the badges or bother to 
> clean around them...
> -Curt
> 
> 
> 
>  From: WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: mercedes list <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: WILTON <wilt...@nc.rr.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 11:29 AM
> Subject: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh
> 
> Son says they're asking 5500.
> 
> http://www.cabrioletmotors.com/mobile/mImagesAll.aspx?cmb=0%7C257372218%7C250381
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Haven't you had repeated monovalve failures leaving you cold? The only time 
either of my 240Ds left me cold it was a dead fan, I kicked it a couple times 
and it came back to life...
-Curt

 

  From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>; Curt Raymond 
<curtlud...@yahoo.com> 
 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 1:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh
   
I love pw. Cranks are a PIA. ACC exemplifies superior engineering and is 
relatively easy to maintain, even for me.On Dec 18, 2015 1:36 PM, "Curt Raymond 
via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

No ACC and crank windows are the two BEST things about the car, 2 fewer things 
to go wrong.
The broken auto antenna is simplicity itself to replace. For that price they 
should have already replaced it.
-Curt


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 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: WILTON <wilt...@nc.rr.com>; Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>
 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 1:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh

No ACC
Crank Windows
Broken Auto antennaI'd pass.On Dec 18, 2015 12:52 PM, "WILTON via Mercedes" 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Yep, I noticed.

Wilton

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Cc: "Curt Raymond" <curtlud...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh



No underhood pics.
The detailer is no Mercedes Martha, didn't even pull the badges or bother to 
clean around them...
-Curt



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Cc: WILTON <wilt...@nc.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 11:29 AM
Subject: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh

Son says they're asking 5500.

http://www.cabrioletmotors.com/mobile/mImagesAll.aspx?cmb=0%7C257372218%7C250381

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh ACC

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

ACC is of NO value over manual controls, IF it runs.  It is actually 
of LESS value, because your options are very limited.


ACC is disastrously expensive to repair and a total PITA to try to 
diagnose.  BY FAR the most money I have spent to keep MBs on the road 
is for the fracking ACCMore than I spent for most cars i've ever 
owned.   Costs more than a 603 head.


ACC allows NO differentiation of left side/right side.

ACC does not allow you have the defrost on without the blower going 
FULL BLAST!  It is very annoying.   This is by far my greatest 
annoyance.  countless nights, and some days, I've had to drive with 
one hand while switching the DEF on, then the EC, back and forth for 
6 or 8 hours.   Manual controls let you run def with no blower (air 
circ from car moving) or blower at any speed.


My total cost for maintaining manual heating/defrost over 40 years is 
a dollar two for some o-rings and a little waterpump grease.


IMHO, the absolute  epitome of heater/Defrost is the 110/111/112/113 
series, and carried over into 114/115, but not the 116.


My ideal new MB if money was no object:  OM603 engine (yeah, the car 
would have to be shipped to lower slobovia) 5 speed trans with diff 
gearing near 3.0, manual driver's window and LR window.  Electric RF 
and RR windows, Rear window Def, Vacuum locks, ala 123,  A key switch 
and key lock doors, ala 123, tars on no less than 65 profile, manual 
sunroof,  DIN1 hole for a radio, manual seats, outside mirrors, both 
sides, 2 wipers.


Actually, except for ACC and a few electric things I don't want, an 
SDL  is pretty close.  123.123.10 is pretty close also.


I'd love to walk into the MB stealership and tell em I want a car 
built to my spec, then give em these specs, and show em the cash. 
They'd fall all over themselves until the factory tells em "no way." 
Then they'd throw me out.






ACC is WONDERFUL when it works - but is a real pain in the ass when it
doesn't.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


 Haven't you had repeated monovalve failures leaving you cold? The only
 time either of my 240Ds left me cold it was a dead fan, I kicked it a
 couple times and it came back to life...
 -Curt





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Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

In my 110 200D, I could reach across and roll the RR window down or 
up.  That and the driver's window were all I ever needed to stay 
comfortable with no a/C.



Yes, I have had monovalve problems like everyone else.  Once they were
fixed, however, they didn't break again, like most Mercedes repairs.

I am not a big fan of the manual s/r in my  two 123 wagons because I have
two surgically repaired shoulders (one of each), but at least I don't have
to stop the car and get out of the driver's seat to adjust them, as would
be the case if the cars had crank windows.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

No ACCThat is a WAY POSITIVE

Crank Windows   That is a positive for many folks

Broken Auto antenna   So what?  Fix it or put on a $7 antenna.

But from an authorized stealer, i'd expect things to be fixed.




No ACC
Crank Windows
Broken Auto antenna

I'd pass.
On Dec 18, 2015 12:52 PM, "WILTON via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:


 Yep, I noticed.

 Wilton

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 Cc: "Curt Raymond" <curtlud...@yahoo.com>
 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 12:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh


 No underhood pics.

 The detailer is no Mercedes Martha, didn't even pull the badges or bother
 to clean around them...

 >> -Curt
 >>


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Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep, preferably, permanently sealed and welded.   Best, though, is to NEVER 
cut the hole.  ;<)


Wilton

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Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh



IMHO, the ONLY way to use a sunroof is to leave it closed.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:



I am not a big fan of the manual s/r in my  two 123 wagons because I have
two surgically repaired shoulders (one of each), but at least I don't 
have

to stop the car and get out of the driver's seat to adjust them, as would
be the case if the cars had crank windows.






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who

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh

[OK Don via Mercedes]

IMHO, the ONLY way to use a sunroof is to leave it closed.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> I am not a big fan of the manual s/r in my  two 123 wagons because I have
> two surgically repaired shoulders (one of each), but at least I don't have
> to stop the car and get out of the driver's seat to adjust them, as would
> be the case if the cars had crank windows.
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh

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Amen, brother!

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 4:37 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Yep, preferably, permanently sealed and welded.   Best, though, is to
> NEVER cut the hole.  ;<)
>
> Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh ACC

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

ACC looks way cooler and has zebrano wood for US models.  End of story.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> ACC is of NO value over manual controls, IF it runs.  It is actually of
> LESS value, because your options are very limited.
>
> ACC is disastrously expensive to repair and a total PITA to try to
> diagnose.  BY FAR the most money I have spent to keep MBs on the road is
> for the fracking ACCMore than I spent for most cars i've ever owned.
>  Costs more than a 603 head.
>
> ACC allows NO differentiation of left side/right side.
>
> ACC does not allow you have the defrost on without the blower going FULL
> BLAST!  It is very annoying.   This is by far my greatest annoyance.
> countless nights, and some days, I've had to drive with one hand while
> switching the DEF on, then the EC, back and forth for 6 or 8 hours.
>  Manual controls let you run def with no blower (air circ from car moving)
> or blower at any speed.
>
> My total cost for maintaining manual heating/defrost over 40 years is a
> dollar two for some o-rings and a little waterpump grease.
>
> IMHO, the absolute  epitome of heater/Defrost is the 110/111/112/113
> series, and carried over into 114/115, but not the 116.
>
> My ideal new MB if money was no object:  OM603 engine (yeah, the car would
> have to be shipped to lower slobovia) 5 speed trans with diff gearing near
> 3.0, manual driver's window and LR window.  Electric RF and RR windows,
> Rear window Def, Vacuum locks, ala 123,  A key switch and key lock doors,
> ala 123, tars on no less than 65 profile, manual sunroof,  DIN1 hole for a
> radio, manual seats, outside mirrors, both sides, 2 wipers.
>
> Actually, except for ACC and a few electric things I don't want, an SDL
> is pretty close.  123.123.10 is pretty close also.
>
> I'd love to walk into the MB stealership and tell em I want a car built to
> my spec, then give em these specs, and show em the cash. They'd fall all
> over themselves until the factory tells em "no way." Then they'd throw me
> out.
>
>
>
>
> ACC is WONDERFUL when it works - but is a real pain in the ass when it
>> doesn't.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Haven't you had repeated monovalve failures leaving you cold? The only
>>>  time either of my 240Ds left me cold it was a dead fan, I kicked it a
>>>  couple times and it came back to life...
>>>  -Curt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> OK Don
>>
>> *"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
>> our people need it sorely on these accounts."* - Mark Twain
>>
>> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
>> who
>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
>> for themselves."
>>
>> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Cabriolet Motors, Raleigh

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > Curly wrote:
> >
> > The only things I don't like about the car are :
> > #1 price
> > #2 too old.  82 or 83 are more desirable, but they sold
> > few cars in 1982.  I want pencil GPs.

> Curt wrote:
> 
> Its not hard to put pencil plugs in the older cars. My '79
> 240D had 'em.

Yup.  

But the engine with the parallel (pencil) glow plugs also has
higher output due to camshaft and injection pump changes.  So
converted series plug engine is not the same as a factory
parallel plug engine.

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