Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens
On Jan 28, 2014 11:03 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Last 10 elections I've voted in I wished most strongly for a choice at the ballot that said NONE OF THE ABOVE .. if none of the above got the most votes, they could never run for or hold public office again in their lifetimes.. In fairness, a negative vote for a particular candidate for a particular office at a particular time doesn't necessarily mean that candidate wouldn't be good for some other office, or at some other time, or with more life experience. I like the NOTA option but I don't think it's reasonable to permanently ban someone who might be a good DA just because no one believed they should be on the Soil and Water Conservation board. Many times I write in Daffy Duck or similar, who would be better candidates than what the democans and republicrats offer. Most of the I wonder how your votes counted in the last election? Too bad we'll never know: http://io9.com/5114481/a-vote-for-the-flying-spaghetti-monster-is-a-vote-for-al-franken-say-minnesota-authorities Personally I am partial to Redemopublicraticans. Best, Tim Drove to vote in the 300D... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens
With all respect for your opinion, I still believe we need to vote them off the island to take a reality show phrase. We have a potential candidate pool of some 312,000,000 citizens to choose from, why mess around. Part of the problem presently is that we the people have gone soft and allowed the people we voted in to represent our interest to operate without being held responsible. Being barred for life from public office sends a strong message to others who follow to act responsibly and take the oath of office to heart. Setting such a hard limit, I believe, would re-empower the voting citizen. I believe that is a necessary step in the non lethal route to government reform. Or.. we could just wait for the revolt that is likely coming and watch them be dragged into the streets by angry mobs.. History is full of that... what was the Italian guys name again that was hung, upside down, shot 7 times.. etc etc.. ummm Mussolini, was it? just to name one.. and how was it that Kadifi died? Once the tide of public anger rises to the break point,, history repeats it's self.. I'd rather vote and have it really mean something. Grant... [Basically peaceful, in a get off my lawn sorta way] On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 8:33 AM, Tim Crone bb...@crone.us wrote: On Jan 28, 2014 11:03 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Last 10 elections I've voted in I wished most strongly for a choice at the ballot that said NONE OF THE ABOVE .. if none of the above got the most votes, they could never run for or hold public office again in their lifetimes.. In fairness, a negative vote for a particular candidate for a particular office at a particular time doesn't necessarily mean that candidate wouldn't be good for some other office, or at some other time, or with more life experience. I like the NOTA option but I don't think it's reasonable to permanently ban someone who might be a good DA just because no one believed they should be on the Soil and Water Conservation board. Many times I write in Daffy Duck or similar, who would be better candidates than what the democans and republicrats offer. Most of the I wonder how your votes counted in the last election? Too bad we'll never know: http://io9.com/5114481/a-vote-for-the-flying-spaghetti-monster-is-a-vote-for-al-franken-say-minnesota-authorities Personally I am partial to Redemopublicraticans. Best, Tim Drove to vote in the 300D... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens
With all respect for your opinion, I still believe we need to vote them off the island to take a reality show phrase. We have a potential candidate pool of some 312,000,000 citizens to choose from, why mess around. Part of the problem presently is that we the people have gone soft and allowed the people we voted in to represent our interest to operate without being held responsible. Being barred for life from public office sends a strong message to others who follow to act responsibly and take the oath of office to heart. Setting such a hard limit, I believe, would re-empower the voting citizen. I believe that is a necessary step in the non lethal route to government reform. Or.. we could just wait for the revolt that is likely coming and watch them be dragged into the streets by angry mobs.. History is full of that... what was the Italian guys name again that was hung, upside down, shot 7 times.. etc etc.. ummm Mussolini, was it? just to name one.. and how was it that Kadifi died? Once the tide of public anger rises to the break point,, history repeats it's self.. I'd rather vote and have it really mean something. Grant... [Basically peaceful, in a get off my lawn sorta way] Then there was that womanwhassername? moochie antoinette? How did she fare? She had a similar disdain for the people as what moochel antoinette has. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens
Grant wrote: Part of the problem presently is that we the people have gone soft and allowed the people we voted in to represent our interest to operate without being held responsible. Partially true. Don't forget to factor in the realty of the dumbing down of 312M people, of which, probably 100M are able to be balloted, i.e. a realistic number of 312M should not ever be considered ballot-able, myself included... Add to your proposal that there is zero $$ allowed in the election processes (as long as we are dreaming). While I cannot entirely buy-in to the money is speech argument against recent SC decision, $$ really do buy influence and mind control. The process should be by the people for the people and based on man to man communication of ideas. Tough to do, but I it can be done. Other limits would be needed and proper self-initiated vetting needs to be taught, i.e. because I read the xerox flyer, because I read it on the interwebs, because I heard it on tv/radio - these don't count as vetting. Vetting by definition begins man to man locally. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens
There seems to be a population size at which the law of diminishing returns slowly reduces the efficiency and viability of a population as the population exceeds a certain size. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diminishing_returns Populations that exceed that size due to uncontrolled immigration and/or reproduction find themselves becoming less manageable, less productive, less competitive; and the qualilty of life for the population as a whole goes down. Gerry On 1/29/2014 11:03 AM, G Mann wrote: With all respect for your opinion, I still believe we need to vote them off the island to take a reality show phrase. We have a potential candidate pool of some 312,000,000 citizens to choose from, why mess around. Part of the problem presently is that we the people have gone soft and allowed the people we voted in to represent our interest to operate without being held responsible. Being barred for life from public office sends a strong message to others who follow to act responsibly and take the oath of office to heart. Setting such a hard limit, I believe, would re-empower the voting citizen. I believe that is a necessary step in the non lethal route to government reform. Or.. we could just wait for the revolt that is likely coming and watch them be dragged into the streets by angry mobs.. History is full of that... what was the Italian guys name again that was hung, upside down, shot 7 times.. etc etc.. ummm Mussolini, was it? just to name one.. and how was it that Kadifi died? Once the tide of public anger rises to the break point,, history repeats it's self.. I'd rather vote and have it really mean something. Grant... [Basically peaceful, in a get off my lawn sorta way] On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 8:33 AM, Tim Crone bb...@crone.us wrote: On Jan 28, 2014 11:03 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Last 10 elections I've voted in I wished most strongly for a choice at the ballot that said NONE OF THE ABOVE .. if none of the above got the most votes, they could never run for or hold public office again in their lifetimes.. In fairness, a negative vote for a particular candidate for a particular office at a particular time doesn't necessarily mean that candidate wouldn't be good for some other office, or at some other time, or with more life experience. I like the NOTA option but I don't think it's reasonable to permanently ban someone who might be a good DA just because no one believed they should be on the Soil and Water Conservation board. Many times I write in Daffy Duck or similar, who would be better candidates than what the democans and republicrats offer. Most of the I wonder how your votes counted in the last election? Too bad we'll never know: http://io9.com/5114481/a-vote-for-the-flying-spaghetti-monster-is-a-vote-for-al-franken-say-minnesota-authorities Personally I am partial to Redemopublicraticans. Best, Tim Drove to vote in the 300D... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens
I don't think Marie had distain for people, remember she didn't say let them eat cake she in fact said brioche which is a kind of sweet bread quite different than cake. She wasn't disdainful she was out of touch, she'd never been hungry and never had to work. She had no clue there were people who didn't have enough to eat. I'm not entirely sure it was her fault as much as the advisors that pretty much ran her world... -Curt Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:19:12 -0600 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens Message-ID: a0624080ccf0ed9ce48fa@[192.168.1.52] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Then there was that womanwhassername? moochie antoinette? How did she fare? She had a similar disdain for the people as what moochel antoinette has. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens
cake was the burnt crumbs that stick to the pan after baking bread, usually tossed out or to the pigs, or serfs or peasants or whatever the freenchies called them. --R On 1/29/14 6:24 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I don't think Marie had distain for people, remember she didn't say let them eat cake she in fact said brioche which is a kind of sweet bread quite different than cake. She wasn't disdainful she was out of touch, she'd never been hungry and never had to work. She had no clue there were people who didn't have enough to eat. I'm not entirely sure it was her fault as much as the advisors that pretty much ran her world... -Curt Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:19:12 -0600 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens Message-ID: a0624080ccf0ed9ce48fa@[192.168.1.52] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Then there was that womanwhassername? moochie antoinette? How did she fare? She had a similar disdain for the people as what moochel antoinette has. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens
I don't think Marie had distain for people, remember she didn't say let them eat cake she in fact said brioche which is a kind of sweet bread quite different than cake. She wasn't disdainful she was out of touch, she'd never been hungry and never had to work. She had no clue there were people who didn't have enough to eat. I'm not entirely sure it was her fault as much as the advisors that pretty much ran her world... -Curt Still pretty much fits the current situation. Change the She to HE, her to his, and it also fits mr. moochelle too. Except I'd argue that both are aware that there are people who don't know where the next meal will come from, but only want to use them for their own political advantage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens
Dieselhead wrote: Except I'd argue that both are aware that there are people who don't know where the next meal will come from, but only want to use them for their own political advantage. That seems to be the gig. Imagine you are there - you don't know where the next meal will come from. Are you gonna sign up for food stamps? Not me. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens
'll add another line in the suggested chapter since we don't like war and bloodshed. How about no health care for people older than 65. The challenge is to live to age 65 in such a way that you have no health issues. Lose the boomers, more jobs for the unemployed youth that have education debt, etc. Yeah, 65 is old enough, I'll be there in a few years. The time has been good and we eat well, no health issues. mao snip Why draw the line at 65? Why not 35? At age 35, women are into their waning years for reproduction, men and women both, will have had 10 yrs of peak production in industry.. keep fresh stock in the social mill. If you are going to have a total nanny state, what restrictions should lowly citizens have on government, after all.. since only government knows what is best for society.. right? Compulsory state service? Why stop at only 2 years. If it is good for society why not require lifetime service? Individual choice, or states choice, who owns the individual, that individuals life and work effort? It is a question debated in each generation, isn't it? Why? Grant... On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 9:52 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Latest polling suggests you are losing the grey vote Hendrik who still has a fair way to to until 65 On 28/01/14 13:26, Mountain Man wrote: HF wrote: Hmmnh, sounds familiar. Obviously you'll need wars for all these heroes to shed blood in, perhaps set them on the non citizens? Perhaps for now we'll just put this proposal in the maybe pile. That was what I was thinking also. More war? Where? Why? Do any of these blood shedding warriors return home or do they all die? - who wants some warrior-spirit guy in the office teaching kids? A good percentage are maimed for life from what I am hearing. I'll add another line in the suggested chapter since we don't like war and bloodshed. How about no health care for people older than 65. The challenge is to live to age 65 in such a way that you have no health issues. Lose the boomers, more jobs for the unemployed youth that have education debt, etc. Yeah, 65 is old enough, I'll be there in a few years. The time has been good and we eat well, no health issues. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens
Grant wrote: Individual choice, or states choice, who owns the individual, that individuals life and work effort? It is a question debated in each generation, isn't it? Why? Why? - because we all want more, not less. Shall we start the less-for-me political party? Does anyone want to join? Yeah, I didn't think so. That is why we have the dialog each generation. And then you get some wise-acre that says - ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. That disrupts the concepts of more that drives retail junque and then someone ended his life. The lessfor-me has nobody to tap for following. No money for advertising. All sounds good. Now we need to have write-in campaign established and every election can vote for the less-for-me local candidate. That might hurt every politico out there. mao - dreaming... of course... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens
Last 10 elections I've voted in I wished most strongly for a choice at the ballot that said NONE OF THE ABOVE .. if none of the above got the most votes, they could never run for or hold public office again in their lifetimes.. Wouldn't that be good? On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Grant wrote: Individual choice, or states choice, who owns the individual, that individuals life and work effort? It is a question debated in each generation, isn't it? Why? Why? - because we all want more, not less. Shall we start the less-for-me political party? Does anyone want to join? Yeah, I didn't think so. That is why we have the dialog each generation. And then you get some wise-acre that says - ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. That disrupts the concepts of more that drives retail junque and then someone ended his life. The lessfor-me has nobody to tap for following. No money for advertising. All sounds good. Now we need to have write-in campaign established and every election can vote for the less-for-me local candidate. That might hurt every politico out there. mao - dreaming... of course... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens
Grant wrote: Wouldn't that be good? That ballot initiative has my yes vote. But it ain't gonna happen. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens
I've been espousing the idea for awhile. I have 2 steps though. If a plurality of people vote for none of the above we just run the election again but none of the previous candidates can run again since they obviously were unwanted. If 3/4 of people vote none of the above we run the election again but none of the candidates can ever run for ANYTHING again, not even dog catcher. In this way you wouldn't have to choose between the lesser of two evils which is still choosing evil after all. -Curt Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 15:22:45 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens Message-ID: CANTuLYiE-0t51k2262D7rNpvwz=whxpn87q6z+xody2kiow...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Last 10 elections I've voted in I wished most strongly for a choice at the ballot that said NONE OF THE ABOVE .. if none of the above got the most votes, they could never run for or hold public office again in their lifetimes.. Wouldn't that be good? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens
Last 10 elections I've voted in I wished most strongly for a choice at the ballot that said NONE OF THE ABOVE .. if none of the above got the most votes, they could never run for or hold public office again in their lifetimes.. Wouldn't that be good? Hear HEAR! Sign me up! Many times I write in Daffy Duck or similar, who would be better candidates than what the democans and republicrats offer. Most of the time we get a choice between socialists or marxists, or socialist or socialist lite. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens
Latest polling suggests you are losing the grey vote Hendrik who still has a fair way to to until 65 On 28/01/14 13:26, Mountain Man wrote: HF wrote: Hmmnh, sounds familiar. Obviously you'll need wars for all these heroes to shed blood in, perhaps set them on the non citizens? Perhaps for now we'll just put this proposal in the maybe pile. That was what I was thinking also. More war? Where? Why? Do any of these blood shedding warriors return home or do they all die? - who wants some warrior-spirit guy in the office teaching kids? A good percentage are maimed for life from what I am hearing. I'll add another line in the suggested chapter since we don't like war and bloodshed. How about no health care for people older than 65. The challenge is to live to age 65 in such a way that you have no health issues. Lose the boomers, more jobs for the unemployed youth that have education debt, etc. Yeah, 65 is old enough, I'll be there in a few years. The time has been good and we eat well, no health issues. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
