Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters

2012-01-27 Thread E M
Thanks for the link, I'll be sure to check it out!

Ed
300E

On 27 January 2012 21:45, Fmiser  wrote:

> > Captain Ed wrote:
> >
> > Any thoughts on what flight simulators offer the best
> > Concorde, and 747 ? I've watched numerous videos of the flight
> > deck of Concorde, on YouTube. It would be fun to play around
> > with a flight simulator on the PC.  :-)
>
> Don't know about "best" - but I like Flightgear
> http://www.flightgear.org/
>
> It is open source and no cost.  And it is available for Mac,
> Linux, and MS Win.  And there are _lots_ of 'planes to choose
> choose from.
>
> But based on our local B-52 expert, the simulator is not
> necessarily totally accurate.  Either that or I'm a _lousy_
> pilot...
>
> -- Philip
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Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters

2012-01-27 Thread Fmiser
> Captain Ed wrote:
>
> Any thoughts on what flight simulators offer the best
> Concorde, and 747 ? I've watched numerous videos of the flight
> deck of Concorde, on YouTube. It would be fun to play around
> with a flight simulator on the PC.  :-)

Don't know about "best" - but I like Flightgear
http://www.flightgear.org/

It is open source and no cost.  And it is available for Mac,
Linux, and MS Win.  And there are _lots_ of 'planes to choose
choose from.

But based on our local B-52 expert, the simulator is not
necessarily totally accurate.  Either that or I'm a _lousy_
pilot...

-- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters

2012-01-27 Thread WILTON
BTW, several years ago, at a local air show, I was kneeling down at the 
forward end of the open bomb bay doors of a B-17 and peering up into the bay 
when one of the crewmen walked up and asked, "What do you think?"  I 
immediately said, "Small, very small."  I immediately realized that I'd 
better be careful not to insult somebody else's air plane, and quickly went 
on to say, "I'm a B-52 guy, and comparatively, the bay is shockingly small, 
but they certainly did a fantastic job for us over Europe and wherever they 
were in service, and I thank God for them and the tough, brave souls who 
flew them."


Wilton

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Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters



Try dumping some of that cargo in the bays, see if it doesn't help
performance somewhat.  ;-)  Just don't do it over my backyard please.  Hee
hee

I used to help out at a local aviation museum here.  We were restoring an
old Lanc.  I remember reading the performance figures at the time back
then, but can't remember them now.  I do remember there was quite a
difference in performance with a full load, and empty.  Deliver the cargo,
and then hightail it home.  Pretty slow target on the way to work though,
as I remember.  Must have taken some guts to strap in to one of those old
birds!!

Ed
300E

On 27 January 2012 12:01, WILTON  wrote:


Cruising at 25,000ft, temp ~ -50C; 305kts IAS/CAS, MACH .77; 444 kts TAS

Wilton

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Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters


 WILTON wrote:




 Stirred up?  Who, me?!  Maybe y'oughta consider "mega" as in

"tons" while I'm calling in a B-52 strike.   ;<)))



Speaking of.

I was "flying" a B-52 on the computer simulator the other day.
And I'm curious - what is the cruising speed?  With 100%
"throttle" I never seemed to be able to get above about 300
knots at 25,000 ft flying level.  Does that seem about right?
Or is FlighGear clueless. :)

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Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters

2012-01-27 Thread E M
Any thoughts on what flight simulators offer the best Concorde, and 747 ?
I've watched numerous videos of the flight deck of Concorde, on YouTube.
It would be fun to play around with a flight simulator on the PC.  :-)

Captain Ed.
300E

On 27 January 2012 15:23, Fmiser  wrote:

> > WILTON wrote:
>
> > Much more typical, en route cruise for a B-52 is at 35 or 37
> > kft (easily go much higher); IAS 238 kts, MACH .77, 444 kts
> > TAS; combat cruise at 250 kts IAS, mach .82, 470 kts TAS.
> > Easily go significant faster.  I've seldom known a B-52 to
> > stay at 25 kft long.
>
> > Cruising at 25,000ft, temp ~ -50C; 305kts IAS/CAS,
> > MACH .77; 444 kts TAS
>
> Thanks Wilton!  As I suspected, FlightGear isn't totally
> accurate.  Oh well. It's kinda fun anyway.  I have loaded
> numerous planes - from F14, to B-52, to Sopwith Camel - even a
> paper airplane!
>
> --Philip
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Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters

2012-01-27 Thread Fmiser
> WILTON wrote:

> Much more typical, en route cruise for a B-52 is at 35 or 37
> kft (easily go much higher); IAS 238 kts, MACH .77, 444 kts
> TAS; combat cruise at 250 kts IAS, mach .82, 470 kts TAS.
> Easily go significant faster.  I've seldom known a B-52 to
> stay at 25 kft long.

> Cruising at 25,000ft, temp ~ -50C; 305kts IAS/CAS,
> MACH .77; 444 kts TAS

Thanks Wilton!  As I suspected, FlightGear isn't totally
accurate.  Oh well. It's kinda fun anyway.  I have loaded
numerous planes - from F14, to B-52, to Sopwith Camel - even a
paper airplane!

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters

2012-01-27 Thread Dan Penoff
My Dad was a flight engineer in a B-29 based on Guam and later Tinian. It was 
outfitted as a photo reconnaissance plane, with a tail gunner and possibly no 
automated turrets (not sure about that.)

They flew daytime sorties over Japan and the islands to gather intelligence and 
document the results of the previous night's bombing raids.

He said it was noisy and frighteningly cold, and since they normally flew 
without escorts, the Japanese left them alone.

This meant that the tail gunner, Gene Nelson, would be all the way in the tail 
of the plane, bored out of his mind. To combat the boredom, they played chess 
over the intercom

No ordinance on these birds, just a huge pallet in the bomb bay with very, very 
large cameras.

Dan

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On Jan 27, 2012, at 1:44 PM, E M  wrote:

> Try dumping some of that cargo in the bays, see if it doesn't help
> performance somewhat.  ;-)  Just don't do it over my backyard please.  Hee
> hee
> 
> I used to help out at a local aviation museum here.  We were restoring an
> old Lanc.  I remember reading the performance figures at the time back
> then, but can't remember them now.  I do remember there was quite a
> difference in performance with a full load, and empty.  Deliver the cargo,
> and then hightail it home.  Pretty slow target on the way to work though,
> as I remember.  Must have taken some guts to strap in to one of those old
> birds!!
> 
> Ed
> 300E
> 
> On 27 January 2012 12:01, WILTON  wrote:
> 
>> Cruising at 25,000ft, temp ~ -50C; 305kts IAS/CAS, MACH .77; 444 kts TAS
>> 
>> Wilton
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Fmiser" 
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters
>> 
>> 
>> WILTON wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Stirred up?  Who, me?!  Maybe y'oughta consider "mega" as in
>>>> "tons" while I'm calling in a B-52 strike.   ;<)))
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Speaking of.
>>> 
>>> I was "flying" a B-52 on the computer simulator the other day.
>>> And I'm curious - what is the cruising speed?  With 100%
>>> "throttle" I never seemed to be able to get above about 300
>>> knots at 25,000 ft flying level.  Does that seem about right?
>>> Or is FlighGear clueless. :)
>>> 
>>> --   Philip
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Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters

2012-01-27 Thread E M
I had an uncle who flew in a Lanc during the war...rear gunner.  The guy
had lots of stories, some great, some not so great.  One mission, the plane
was pretty shot up, and the floor of the rear turret was shot out.  As he
tells it, he had his legs dangling out during the flight home.  Flying over
the water and looking down, he told me he kept thinking, "higher, higher!"

I also have a friend who flies.  He too can't get on a chair to change a
light bulb, but no problems flying.  Doesn't seem to be that uncommon
amongst pilots.

Ed
300E

On 27 January 2012 14:29, Rich Thomas
wrote:

> I had a neighbor when I lived near Boston who flew B-17s to deliver the
> goods in Europe.  He did a year at GA Tech then joined up, they sent him to
> flight school then stuck him in the left seat in England and off he went.
>  He flew toward the end, but it was hairy enough according to some of his
> stories.  He did have some good experiences when the end of the war was
> announced, seemed many young ladies had considerable gratitude for what the
> Yank flyboys had done for Old Blighty  The guy was afraid to get on a 2
> step ladder but never had a problem in the plane.
>
> --R
>
>
> On 1/27/12 1:44 PM, E M wrote:
>
>> Try dumping some of that cargo in the bays, see if it doesn't help
>> performance somewhat.  ;-)  Just don't do it over my backyard please.  Hee
>> hee
>>
>> I used to help out at a local aviation museum here.  We were restoring an
>> old Lanc.  I remember reading the performance figures at the time back
>> then, but can't remember them now.  I do remember there was quite a
>> difference in performance with a full load, and empty.  Deliver the cargo,
>> and then hightail it home.  Pretty slow target on the way to work though,
>> as I remember.  Must have taken some guts to strap in to one of those old
>> birds!!
>>
>> Ed
>> 300E
>>
>> On 27 January 2012 12:01, WILTON  wrote:
>>
>>  Cruising at 25,000ft, temp ~ -50C; 305kts IAS/CAS, MACH .77; 444 kts TAS
>>>
>>> Wilton
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Fmiser"
>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
>>> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:40 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters
>>>
>>>
>>>  WILTON wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Stirred up?  Who, me?!  Maybe y'oughta consider "mega" as in
>>>>
>>>>> "tons" while I'm calling in a B-52 strike.   ;<)))
>>>>>
>>>>>  Speaking of.
>>>>
>>>> I was "flying" a B-52 on the computer simulator the other day.
>>>> And I'm curious - what is the cruising speed?  With 100%
>>>> "throttle" I never seemed to be able to get above about 300
>>>> knots at 25,000 ft flying level.  Does that seem about right?
>>>> Or is FlighGear clueless. :)
>>>>
>>>> --   Philip
>>>>
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Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters

2012-01-27 Thread Rich Thomas
I had a neighbor when I lived near Boston who flew B-17s to deliver the 
goods in Europe.  He did a year at GA Tech then joined up, they sent him 
to flight school then stuck him in the left seat in England and off he 
went.  He flew toward the end, but it was hairy enough according to some 
of his stories.  He did have some good experiences when the end of the 
war was announced, seemed many young ladies had considerable gratitude 
for what the Yank flyboys had done for Old Blighty  The guy was 
afraid to get on a 2 step ladder but never had a problem in the plane.


--R

On 1/27/12 1:44 PM, E M wrote:

Try dumping some of that cargo in the bays, see if it doesn't help
performance somewhat.  ;-)  Just don't do it over my backyard please.  Hee
hee

I used to help out at a local aviation museum here.  We were restoring an
old Lanc.  I remember reading the performance figures at the time back
then, but can't remember them now.  I do remember there was quite a
difference in performance with a full load, and empty.  Deliver the cargo,
and then hightail it home.  Pretty slow target on the way to work though,
as I remember.  Must have taken some guts to strap in to one of those old
birds!!

Ed
300E

On 27 January 2012 12:01, WILTON  wrote:


Cruising at 25,000ft, temp ~ -50C; 305kts IAS/CAS, MACH .77; 444 kts TAS

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Fmiser"
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters


  WILTON wrote:

  Stirred up?  Who, me?!  Maybe y'oughta consider "mega" as in

"tons" while I'm calling in a B-52 strike.   ;<)))


Speaking of.

I was "flying" a B-52 on the computer simulator the other day.
And I'm curious - what is the cruising speed?  With 100%
"throttle" I never seemed to be able to get above about 300
knots at 25,000 ft flying level.  Does that seem about right?
Or is FlighGear clueless. :)

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters

2012-01-27 Thread WILTON
Much more typical, en route cruise for a B-52 is at 35 or 37 kft (easily go 
much higher); IAS 238 kts, MACH .77, 444 kts TAS; combat cruise at 250 kts 
IAS, mach .82, 470 kts TAS.  Easily go significant faster.  I've seldom 
known a B-52 to stay at 25 kft long.


Wilton

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Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters



Try dumping some of that cargo in the bays, see if it doesn't help
performance somewhat.  ;-)  Just don't do it over my backyard please.  Hee
hee

I used to help out at a local aviation museum here.  We were restoring an
old Lanc.  I remember reading the performance figures at the time back
then, but can't remember them now.  I do remember there was quite a
difference in performance with a full load, and empty.  Deliver the cargo,
and then hightail it home.  Pretty slow target on the way to work though,
as I remember.  Must have taken some guts to strap in to one of those old
birds!!

Ed
300E

On 27 January 2012 12:01, WILTON  wrote:


Cruising at 25,000ft, temp ~ -50C; 305kts IAS/CAS, MACH .77; 444 kts TAS

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Fmiser" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters


 WILTON wrote:




 Stirred up?  Who, me?!  Maybe y'oughta consider "mega" as in

"tons" while I'm calling in a B-52 strike.   ;<)))



Speaking of.

I was "flying" a B-52 on the computer simulator the other day.
And I'm curious - what is the cruising speed?  With 100%
"throttle" I never seemed to be able to get above about 300
knots at 25,000 ft flying level.  Does that seem about right?
Or is FlighGear clueless. :)

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters

2012-01-27 Thread E M
Try dumping some of that cargo in the bays, see if it doesn't help
performance somewhat.  ;-)  Just don't do it over my backyard please.  Hee
hee

I used to help out at a local aviation museum here.  We were restoring an
old Lanc.  I remember reading the performance figures at the time back
then, but can't remember them now.  I do remember there was quite a
difference in performance with a full load, and empty.  Deliver the cargo,
and then hightail it home.  Pretty slow target on the way to work though,
as I remember.  Must have taken some guts to strap in to one of those old
birds!!

Ed
300E

On 27 January 2012 12:01, WILTON  wrote:

> Cruising at 25,000ft, temp ~ -50C; 305kts IAS/CAS, MACH .77; 444 kts TAS
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Fmiser" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters
>
>
>  WILTON wrote:
>>>
>>
>>  Stirred up?  Who, me?!  Maybe y'oughta consider "mega" as in
>>> "tons" while I'm calling in a B-52 strike.   ;<)))
>>>
>>
>> Speaking of.
>>
>> I was "flying" a B-52 on the computer simulator the other day.
>> And I'm curious - what is the cruising speed?  With 100%
>> "throttle" I never seemed to be able to get above about 300
>> knots at 25,000 ft flying level.  Does that seem about right?
>> Or is FlighGear clueless. :)
>>
>> --   Philip
>>
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Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters

2012-01-27 Thread WILTON

Cruising at 25,000ft, temp ~ -50C; 305kts IAS/CAS, MACH .77; 444 kts TAS

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters



WILTON wrote:



Stirred up?  Who, me?!  Maybe y'oughta consider "mega" as in
"tons" while I'm calling in a B-52 strike.   ;<)))


Speaking of.

I was "flying" a B-52 on the computer simulator the other day.
And I'm curious - what is the cruising speed?  With 100%
"throttle" I never seemed to be able to get above about 300
knots at 25,000 ft flying level.  Does that seem about right?
Or is FlighGear clueless. :)

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters

2012-01-26 Thread Fmiser
> WILTON wrote:

> Stirred up?  Who, me?!  Maybe y'oughta consider "mega" as in
> "tons" while I'm calling in a B-52 strike.   ;<)))

Speaking of.

I was "flying" a B-52 on the computer simulator the other day.
And I'm curious - what is the cruising speed?  With 100%
"throttle" I never seemed to be able to get above about 300
knots at 25,000 ft flying level.  Does that seem about right?
Or is FlighGear clueless. :)

--   Philip

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