Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality)
I was even able to donate my old washer to a homeless shelter - good deal all around!. The new Maytag front loader is saving me lots of $$ due to lower water consumption and better extraction so the dryer works more efficiently as well. On 8/8/07, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can you tell I'm catching up on old posts? My comment is that new appliances tend to be much more efficient so, even though your old washer and dryer may never wear out, you may find it a good idea to replace them. Energy costs these days are such that efficiency is soon rewarded. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 10:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality) that one of my grandmothers has never had anything done to it. Hendrik wrote: Anything can fail but the question is can it be repaired economically. Strange how people put up with cars breaking down but if a washing machine decides to go down after 6 years people are in shock. Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: Your maytag failed after 6 years? My grandmother always had a maytag washer/drier. Must be front he 60's. It was still going strong when she died several years ago. My dad still uses it and its going strong. I have had my maytag top loaded for about 8 years. Its still going great although I wouldnt mind getting rid of it go get a front load washer/drier. --- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality)
How can you tell I'm catching up on old posts? My comment is that new appliances tend to be much more efficient so, even though your old washer and dryer may never wear out, you may find it a good idea to replace them. Energy costs these days are such that efficiency is soon rewarded. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 10:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality) that one of my grandmothers has never had anything done to it. Hendrik wrote: Anything can fail but the question is can it be repaired economically. Strange how people put up with cars breaking down but if a washing machine decides to go down after 6 years people are in shock. Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: Your maytag failed after 6 years? My grandmother always had a maytag washer/drier. Must be front he 60's. It was still going strong when she died several years ago. My dad still uses it and its going strong. I have had my maytag top loaded for about 8 years. Its still going great although I wouldnt mind getting rid of it go get a front load washer/drier. --- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Front Loading Washers
For what it's worth, I ust got the water bill for last month, and with the new washer only having been on line for about two weeks of the billing period, our water consumption dropped about 20%. Tossing a few percentage points in for variations, that's still a noticeable drop. I'll be watching to see what it drops to next month, as that will be a full month with it in service. Dan Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Timely subject for us as well. The Hotpoint appliances in our new (c. 15 yr. old) house are all pretty poor. The washer has this mildewy smell that I have not been able to irradicate despite thorough cleaning with straight bleach. We've been tempted by some craigslist stackable full-sized units, which would of course have a front-loading washer. I've been wondering how the thing can get the same amount of clothes clean with less water, and wondering if the door on these designs will eventually leak. Brian On 8/3/07, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just cut about 35% off my water bill by going to a front loading washing machine last month. What brand/model did you go with? I'll be in the market for one very soon since we're buying a house. My parents have a Maytag Neptune that seems to be working well for the past 5 years. The laundromat here at the apartment complex just installed new Maytag commercial HE front loaders that don't seem to be getting clothes too clean at all. I think that our cheap top loader did a better job. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality)
Buy LG from Home Depot (or buy.com believe it or not) We just bought a pair to replace a 10 year old top load/dryer, and my wife researched every make and model before she decided on the LG. They have the best customer satisfaction and I must say, we are very impressed with them. Not only do they save water, they save detergent, and do a better job. We paid about $50 a month for water, and the washer was probably half that. The front load uses 1/3 the water of top load, so 50/2 = $25, 25/3 = $8.33, or a savings of $16.67 each month. That over the next 10 years is over $2,000, and that is more then we paid for the washer and dryer. Our bills come every three months, so I will soon know if these numbers work out. Mercedes Content and added bonus - the washer and dryer cost more then at least 3 Mercedes I have bought, so I have leverage next time I see a deal. Dave W - Original Message - From: Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 11:54 PM Subject: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality) I just cut about 35% off my water bill by going to a front loading washing machine last month. What brand/model did you go with? I'll be in the market for one very soon since we're buying a house. My parents have a Maytag Neptune that seems to be working well for the past 5 years. The laundromat here at the apartment complex just installed new Maytag commercial HE front loaders that don't seem to be getting clothes too clean at all. I think that our cheap top loader did a better job. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I also did a bunch of research about three years ago and chose the top Kenmore front loader. To answer your question about getting clothes clean, it does so quite well. It tosses your clothes throught the soapy water, which is more like hand washing. Clothes get quite clean, they last longer (not as much wear and tear from the agitator), and as has already been noted, you use a LOT less detergent. You'll also save energy, since the clothes are drier coming out of the washer (the spin is FAR more efficient) so you don't need the dryer to run as long. We've had no problem with leaking except once when a visitor didn't believe me about the detergent and poured in more than she would've for a top loading machine! That WILL run a small amount of water out on the floor through an overflow, which is not actually a leak. It was amazing how much soap remained in our clothes from the top load we used to have -- and we weren't soap fiends by any means -- we found that the first few loads of clothes after we changed washers had enough soap in them to clean without adding more! The only down-side is that the cycle takes longer, but we've adjusted to that. On some washers, once you start the cycle, you can't open the door to add forgotten items, but look around for ones that don't limit you in that way -- they're out there. Time is at once the most valuable and the most perishable of all our possessions. John Randolph ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality)
I've been wondering how the thing can get the same amount of clothes clean with less water, and wondering if the door on these designs will eventually leak. That bothers me too. That and the fact that our water is effectively free means that there is not likely one in our immediate future. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The best long term one would be a Speed Queen (non-electronic), but they require attendance (they hop all over the place if the load doesn't balance on the spin cycle) and are expensive -- $1500 last time I looked a couple years ago. I ended up with a Bosch from Lowe's -- I believe they still carry the brand, but not at all stores. Again, large and expensive ($1300), but my oh my what a difference in clean! Neptunes are good IF you can keep them in a low humidity enviroment (the electronics are on the bottom, duh!) -- damp environment equals burned out boards, which can get expensive. I especially like the simplicity of the Bosch controls -- a dial for temp and agitation cycle, a couple of buttons for spin speed, and that's it. Far easier than teaching my 80 year old mother how to use one of the overly-complicated touch-screen types! I've been quite happy. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Door gaskets are a wear item. They will need to be replaced at some point, but then the pump on every top load washer I've ever used eventually leaked and had to be replaced, too. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Holy cow! How many people in your household? We paid $50 for water last QUARTER. Of course its only two of us... -Curt Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 07:31:53 -0400 From: The Wakin's [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality) To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Buy LG from Home Depot (or buy.com believe it or not) We just bought a pair to replace a 10 year old top load/dryer, and my wife researched every make and model before she decided on the LG. They have the best customer satisfaction and I must say, we are very impressed with them. Not only do they save water, they save detergent, and do a better job. We paid about $50 a month for water, and the washer was probably half that. The front load uses 1/3 the water of top load, so 50/2 = $25, 25/3 = $8.33, or a savings of $16.67 each month. That over the next 10 years is over $2,000, and that is more then we paid for the washer and dryer. Our bills come every three months, so I will soon know if these numbers work out. Mercedes Content and added bonus - the washer and dryer cost more then at least 3 Mercedes I have bought, so I have leverage next time I see a deal. Dave W - Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality)
On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 06:37:58 -0700 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been wondering how the thing can get the same amount of clothes clean with less water, and wondering if the door on these designs will eventually leak. That bothers me too. That and the fact that our water is effectively free means that there is not likely one in our immediate future. There is more than one point to their efficiency. One is use of less water. Another is spinning faster to extract the water more thoroughly, which means you run your dryer less to get the clothes dry. Unless you dry your clothes on a line (hard to do in the winter), you save that way, too. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality)
There is more than one point to their efficiency. One is use of less water. Another is spinning faster to extract the water more thoroughly, which means you run your dryer less to get the clothes dry. Unless you Definitely a factor. dry your clothes on a line (hard to do in the winter), you save that way, too. We do this often. In winter we have a clothes rack that sits near the wood stove. An added bonus there is humidification of the house. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality)
This was something I didn't realize, either. In fact, my drying times are lower because the clothing comes out of the washer much dryer that with a top-loader. I will say that my purchase was precipitated by the failure of my 6 year old Maytag, which blew the transmission. There was no reason for attempting a repair, as the parts cost alone made it prohibitive. That being said, I did not have a $1000 budget for a washing machine, either. I did what research I could in the limited time I had, and found that there are a number of sub-$1000 machines that are as good as the more expensive ones. The main differences were a lower capacity (but only in tenths of a cubic foot) and fewer cycles. I ended up buying a GE front loader at Lowe's for slightly less than $700 along with rebated delivery and a $50 gift card. I just got my first water bill with the washer in use for a whole month, and it went down over 30%. In Florida that's a pretty substantial savings, as we get gouged on water in this part of the stae due to restrictions. I just changed over from a gas water heater (propane here, we don't have natural gas) so I should be seeing a BIG drop in my gas bill. In fact, it should drop to zero, since this was the last gas appliance outside of the fireplace and spa heater that we have. Dan (reducing my carbon footprint on a daily basis) --- Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is more than one point to their efficiency. One is use of less water. Another is spinning faster to extract the water more thoroughly, which means you run your dryer less to get the clothes dry. Unless you dry your clothes on a line (hard to do in the winter), you save that way, too. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers
This was something I didn't realize, either. In fact, my drying times are lower because the clothing comes out of the washer much dryer that with a top-loader. Than with _your_ top loader. I looked into buying a Fisher Paykel when it looked like I was going to have to replace our washer. It's a top loader, yet at the time got clothes the driest of anything. Didn't have to do it then, I've been able to keep our 1974 Kenmore running. I doubt that _any_ front loader could be kept running this long. Lack of availability of the custom door gaskets alone would probably guarantee this. I just changed over from a gas water heater (propane here, we don't have natural gas) so I should be seeing a BIG drop in my gas bill. In fact, it should drop to zero, since this was the last gas appliance outside of the fireplace and spa heater that we have. Dan (reducing my carbon footprint on a daily basis) I haven't seen those new nuclear-powered driers yet. Or are you merely exporting your carbon footprint to a different neighborhood? Unless you've switched to the clothesline. :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers
Our water bill is about $25 or so per month. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers Holy cow! How many people in your household? We paid $50 for water last QUARTER. Of course its only two of us... -Curt Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 07:31:53 -0400 From: The Wakin's [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality) To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Buy LG from Home Depot (or buy.com believe it or not) We just bought a pair to replace a 10 year old top load/dryer, and my wife researched every make and model before she decided on the LG. They have the best customer satisfaction and I must say, we are very impressed with them. Not only do they save water, they save detergent, and do a better job. We paid about $50 a month for water, and the washer was probably half that. The front load uses 1/3 the water of top load, so 50/2 = $25, 25/3 = $8.33, or a savings of $16.67 each month. That over the next 10 years is over $2,000, and that is more then we paid for the washer and dryer. Our bills come every three months, so I will soon know if these numbers work out. Mercedes Content and added bonus - the washer and dryer cost more then at least 3 Mercedes I have bought, so I have leverage next time I see a deal. Dave W - Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers
oh yea, also those front loaders get more water out on the final spin so you do not have to run the drier as long, saves electricity/gas there. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers Holy cow! How many people in your household? We paid $50 for water last QUARTER. Of course its only two of us... -Curt Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 07:31:53 -0400 From: The Wakin's [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality) To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Buy LG from Home Depot (or buy.com believe it or not) We just bought a pair to replace a 10 year old top load/dryer, and my wife researched every make and model before she decided on the LG. They have the best customer satisfaction and I must say, we are very impressed with them. Not only do they save water, they save detergent, and do a better job. We paid about $50 a month for water, and the washer was probably half that. The front load uses 1/3 the water of top load, so 50/2 = $25, 25/3 = $8.33, or a savings of $16.67 each month. That over the next 10 years is over $2,000, and that is more then we paid for the washer and dryer. Our bills come every three months, so I will soon know if these numbers work out. Mercedes Content and added bonus - the washer and dryer cost more then at least 3 Mercedes I have bought, so I have leverage next time I see a deal. Dave W - Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers
Jim Cathey wrote: I doubt that _any_ front loader could be kept running this long. Lack of availability of the custom door gaskets alone would probably guarantee this. The commercial ones probably run for an equivalent amount of time! Just find a laundry mat thats going out of business ;) I think the Kenmore/Frigidaire washers are based on a commercial design (or they really look like it anyway) so it might be easier to find a gasket for them. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Your maytag failed after 6 years? My grandmother always had a maytag washer/drier. Must be front he 60's. It was still going strong when she died several years ago. My dad still uses it and its going strong. I have had my maytag top loaded for about 8 years. Its still going great although I wouldnt mind getting rid of it go get a front load washer/drier. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality) This was something I didn't realize, either. In fact, my drying times are lower because the clothing comes out of the washer much dryer that with a top-loader. I will say that my purchase was precipitated by the failure of my 6 year old Maytag, which blew the transmission. There was no reason for attempting a repair, as the parts cost alone made it prohibitive. That being said, I did not have a $1000 budget for a washing machine, either. I did what research I could in the limited time I had, and found that there are a number of sub-$1000 machines that are as good as the more expensive ones. The main differences were a lower capacity (but only in tenths of a cubic foot) and fewer cycles. I ended up buying a GE front loader at Lowe's for slightly less than $700 along with rebated delivery and a $50 gift card. I just got my first water bill with the washer in use for a whole month, and it went down over 30%. In Florida that's a pretty substantial savings, as we get gouged on water in this part of the stae due to restrictions. I just changed over from a gas water heater (propane here, we don't have natural gas) so I should be seeing a BIG drop in my gas bill. In fact, it should drop to zero, since this was the last gas appliance outside of the fireplace and spa heater that we have. Dan (reducing my carbon footprint on a daily basis) --- Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is more than one point to their efficiency. One is use of less water. Another is spinning faster to extract the water more thoroughly, which means you run your dryer less to get the clothes dry. Unless you dry your clothes on a line (hard to do in the winter), you save that way, too. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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We're still running a 13 year old Maytag top loader here. With 4 kids, it gets used a LOT. 6-7 loads a week, at least. I've had to replace a timer and a tub seal, but that's it. Gary Thompson 1995 E320 (just turned over 140K miles!) On 8/4/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your maytag failed after 6 years? My grandmother always had a maytag washer/drier. Must be front he 60's. It was still going strong when she died several years ago. My dad still uses it and its going strong. I have had my maytag top loaded for about 8 years. Its still going great although I wouldnt mind getting rid of it go get a front load washer/drier. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality)
The Wakin's wrote: Buy LG from Home Depot (or buy.com believe it or not) Five years ago my mom was looking for a new washer. I wanted to get her a front loader for a gift, good thing I asked her some questions, turned out that women old enough to collect Social Security don't always like to bend over. She wanted a top loader. Eventually I found the Fisher-Paykel GWL10, which was only $699 list, had to pay about $650 for it. Kind of like a Whirlpool Calypso with an agitator. Does a waterfall cycle in the beginning with very little water, and ends with a 1000rpm spin cycle. I visited the dealer recently, he had an old GWL10 that needed a new computer board. He told me I could have it for $150 after he fixes it. I'm happy. Now all I have to do is find a decent $100 dryer. When the washer spins like an extractor, the dryer isn't as important. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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John Robbins wrote: I think the Kenmore/Frigidaire washers are based on a commercial design (or they really look like it anyway) so it might be easier to find a gasket for them. I had a salesman tell me that once. I later learned that while they look like a Speed Queen, they aren't the same. Last I knew (5-6 years ago) a Speed Queen front loader without the coin box was about $1500, or three Frigidaires. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality)
Depends what you are after, if you just want a machine then anything will do but if you are interested in the long term then you have to look at machines that are servicable. We have had Miele machines in our family for decades and while they are more expensive than Asian brands, they are build to be repairable. Sort of like a Hyundai vs Merc Sunny Letot wrote: I also did a bunch of research about three years ago and chose the top Kenmore front loader. To answer your question about getting clothes clean, it does so quite well. It tosses your clothes throught the soapy water, which is more like hand washing. Clothes get quite clean, they last longer (not as much wear and tear from the agitator), and as has already been noted, you use a LOT less detergent. You'll also save energy, since the clothes are drier coming out of the washer (the spin is FAR more efficient) so you don't need the dryer to run as long. We've had no problem with leaking except once when a visitor didn't believe me about the detergent and poured in more than she would've for a top loading machine! That WILL run a small amount of water out on the floor through an overflow, which is not actually a leak. It was amazing how much soap remained in our clothes from the top load we used to have -- and we weren't soap fiends by any means -- we found that the first few loads of clothes after we changed washers had enough soap in them to clean without adding more! The only down-side is that the cycle takes longer, but we've adjusted to that. On some washers, once you start the cycle, you can't open the door to add forgotten items, but look around for ones that don't limit you in that way -- they're out there. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Front Loading Washers
Our Miele spins at 1100 rpm, can be set to 600 but don't know why. Has water saving cycles and all the other stuff, which is not bad considering it was the base model. Anyway we just bought a new fridge and I have to modify the kitchen to fit the blasted thing in, that's what happens when you take the missus along. You end up with a big fridge and an empty wallet. Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: oh yea, also those front loaders get more water out on the final spin so you do not have to run the drier as long, saves electricity/gas there. --- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Anything can fail but the question is can it be repaired economically. Strange how people put up with cars breaking down but if a washing machine decides to go down after 6 years people are in shock. Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: Your maytag failed after 6 years? My grandmother always had a maytag washer/drier. Must be front he 60's. It was still going strong when she died several years ago. My dad still uses it and its going strong. I have had my maytag top loaded for about 8 years. Its still going great although I wouldnt mind getting rid of it go get a front load washer/drier. --- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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that one of my grandmothers has never had anything done to it. Hendrik wrote: Anything can fail but the question is can it be repaired economically. Strange how people put up with cars breaking down but if a washing machine decides to go down after 6 years people are in shock. Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: Your maytag failed after 6 years? My grandmother always had a maytag washer/drier. Must be front he 60's. It was still going strong when she died several years ago. My dad still uses it and its going strong. I have had my maytag top loaded for about 8 years. Its still going great although I wouldnt mind getting rid of it go get a front load washer/drier. --- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The amount of use makes a difference - just like miles on a car. We're on our second Maytag - and I've had to repair both of them. With four kids, we've washed a LOT of clothes. Both washers had seals damaged by stuff from kids pockets that got into them, then the water either corrodes what's left of the sealing rings - letting grease into the washer, or the water mixes with the grease in the tranny and kills it. Maytag was purchased by one of the Chevy's of appliances, so we won't be buying another one. Our Maytag drier is 29 years old, and sounds like it's on it's last legs. I'll be buying both soon - this OT discussion is timely - probably an expensive front loader after reading all the comments. On 8/4/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that one of my grandmothers has never had anything done to it. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Front Loading Washers (was Re: Tools and Quality)
I just cut about 35% off my water bill by going to a front loading washing machine last month. What brand/model did you go with? I'll be in the market for one very soon since we're buying a house. My parents have a Maytag Neptune that seems to be working well for the past 5 years. The laundromat here at the apartment complex just installed new Maytag commercial HE front loaders that don't seem to be getting clothes too clean at all. I think that our cheap top loader did a better job. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
