subject:"\[MBZ\] Hotels"

Yeah, I couldn’t understand that with my youngest, because he had training as a 
kid but later was into paintball big time. He just said it was “different”.

I guess.

-D

> On May 7, 2020, at 9:58 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> My friends don't understand why I don't want to do paintball but its my 
> existing firearms training. I can't imagine shooting anything I didn't intend 
> to destroy...
> -Curt
> 
>On Thursday, May 7, 2020, 9:56:33 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Anyone who is properly trained on handling firearms would know to
>> check and empty the chamber even if the magazine was removed. This was
>> 100% preventable through education. You could argue the father was at
>> fault because he didn’t secure the pistol, but that argument didn’t
>> fly with the prosecutor because he had made a good faith effort to
>> secure the pistol by locking his bedroom.
> 
> Even at a higher level -- you always handle a firearm as if it is
> loaded. Even if you have unloaded it and cleared it, you would NEVER
> point it at someone, much less pull the trigger.
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Hotels


I agree with that.

On 5/7/2020 8:58 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

  My friends don't understand why I don't want to do paintball but its my 
existing firearms training. I can't imagine shooting anything I didn't intend 
to destroy...
-Curt

 On Thursday, May 7, 2020, 9:56:33 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:
  
  Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:



Anyone who is properly trained on handling firearms would know to
check and empty the chamber even if the magazine was removed. This was
100% preventable through education. You could argue the father was at
fault because he didn’t secure the pistol, but that argument didn’t
fly with the prosecutor because he had made a good faith effort to
secure the pistol by locking his bedroom.

Even at a higher level -- you always handle a firearm as if it is
loaded. Even if you have unloaded it and cleared it, you would NEVER
point it at someone, much less pull the trigger.

Allan


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Re: [MBZ] Hotels

One more thing to I just remembered.  When I was a kid I did not get 
this same sort of training/exposure to guns.  I recall one time I 
discovered a revolver in my mothers room when I was probably 10-12  
years old, somewhere in there.  Of course never having seen a gun except 
on TV at that point I picked it up and messed with it.  It is a wonder I 
didn't end up shooting myself. At some point around that same time frame 
I remember a kid from school was playing with a gun and ended up 
shooting himself.  I can't remember if he died or not (I don't think he 
did).



On 5/7/2020 8:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

This >


On May 7, 2020, at 6:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  
wrote:

That happens with people who do not train their children properly.

I can’t emphasize this enough. I had NRA handgun training when I was seven or 
eight years old. There was only an old revolver in the house at the time, but 
that didn’t matter. Every one of us, even my sister, had NRA training as a 
child. The safest child around guns is one who has been properly trained to 
handle them.

I’m not saying children should have guns or access to them without supervision. 
It’s the ones who are untrained that kill or injure people.

We recently had a police officer’s high school aged son put a .45 round through 
the back of his friend’s head while he was playing video games at the cop’s 
kid’s house. The boy wasn’t trained on how to handle or fire a pistol. He broke 
into his father’s bedroom where there was a pistol that was unsecured (his 
service pistol *was* secured in a gun safe) dropped the magazine thinking that 
unloaded the gun, walked up behind his friend, pointed it at the back of his 
head and pulled the trigger.

Yes, there was a round that was chambered.

Anyone who is properly trained on handling firearms would know to check and 
empty the chamber even if the magazine was removed. This was 100% preventable 
through education. You could argue the father was at fault because he didn’t 
secure the pistol, but that argument didn’t fly with the prosecutor because he 
had made a good faith effort to secure the pistol by locking his bedroom.

Tell that to the victim’s family.

The cop and his son refused to talk or cooperate. It took almost a month to get 
enough information out of the two witnesses to come up with evidence to charge 
the cop’s son. The prosecutor was not happy, but the cop lawyered up and shut 
up. Shoot, shovel, shut up.

In my opinion, the boy should be punished, no question, but so should the 
father. I can’t fathom having firearms in a house and not making every member 
of that household participate in training on how to properly handle a firearm. 
That is criminal in my opinion.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Hotels

Our youngest of 3 is now almost 12.  All have been trained/exposed to 
guns so they have no interest in even messing with them.  All 3 have 
been raised with loaded guns all over the house.  All 3 knew not to 
touch them but were not interested in touching them anyway because the 
mystic was removed.  If you try to shelter your kids from guns, kids 
will be kids and try to get into things they were told to stay away 
from.  Our kids were shown where the guns are and what to do with them 
in the unlikely even somebody decides to come in the house uninvited.  I 
say unlikely but when you live way out in the country you are way more 
likely to have a break in because cops are so far away and the city folk 
looking to rob come out to the country to do it.


On 5/7/2020 8:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

This >


On May 7, 2020, at 6:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  
wrote:

That happens with people who do not train their children properly.

I can’t emphasize this enough. I had NRA handgun training when I was seven or 
eight years old. There was only an old revolver in the house at the time, but 
that didn’t matter. Every one of us, even my sister, had NRA training as a 
child. The safest child around guns is one who has been properly trained to 
handle them.

I’m not saying children should have guns or access to them without supervision. 
It’s the ones who are untrained that kill or injure people.

We recently had a police officer’s high school aged son put a .45 round through 
the back of his friend’s head while he was playing video games at the cop’s 
kid’s house. The boy wasn’t trained on how to handle or fire a pistol. He broke 
into his father’s bedroom where there was a pistol that was unsecured (his 
service pistol *was* secured in a gun safe) dropped the magazine thinking that 
unloaded the gun, walked up behind his friend, pointed it at the back of his 
head and pulled the trigger.

Yes, there was a round that was chambered.

Anyone who is properly trained on handling firearms would know to check and 
empty the chamber even if the magazine was removed. This was 100% preventable 
through education. You could argue the father was at fault because he didn’t 
secure the pistol, but that argument didn’t fly with the prosecutor because he 
had made a good faith effort to secure the pistol by locking his bedroom.

Tell that to the victim’s family.

The cop and his son refused to talk or cooperate. It took almost a month to get 
enough information out of the two witnesses to come up with evidence to charge 
the cop’s son. The prosecutor was not happy, but the cop lawyered up and shut 
up. Shoot, shovel, shut up.

In my opinion, the boy should be punished, no question, but so should the 
father. I can’t fathom having firearms in a house and not making every member 
of that household participate in training on how to properly handle a firearm. 
That is criminal in my opinion.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Hotels

 My friends don't understand why I don't want to do paintball but its my 
existing firearms training. I can't imagine shooting anything I didn't intend 
to destroy...
-Curt

On Thursday, May 7, 2020, 9:56:33 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> Anyone who is properly trained on handling firearms would know to
> check and empty the chamber even if the magazine was removed. This was
> 100% preventable through education. You could argue the father was at
> fault because he didn’t secure the pistol, but that argument didn’t
> fly with the prosecutor because he had made a good faith effort to
> secure the pistol by locking his bedroom.

Even at a higher level -- you always handle a firearm as if it is
loaded. Even if you have unloaded it and cleared it, you would NEVER
point it at someone, much less pull the trigger.

Allan


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2020-05-07 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes

Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> Anyone who is properly trained on handling firearms would know to
> check and empty the chamber even if the magazine was removed. This was
> 100% preventable through education. You could argue the father was at
> fault because he didn’t secure the pistol, but that argument didn’t
> fly with the prosecutor because he had made a good faith effort to
> secure the pistol by locking his bedroom.

Even at a higher level -- you always handle a firearm as if it is
loaded. Even if you have unloaded it and cleared it, you would NEVER
point it at someone, much less pull the trigger.

Allan


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This >

> On May 7, 2020, at 6:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That happens with people who do not train their children properly. 

I can’t emphasize this enough. I had NRA handgun training when I was seven or 
eight years old. There was only an old revolver in the house at the time, but 
that didn’t matter. Every one of us, even my sister, had NRA training as a 
child. The safest child around guns is one who has been properly trained to 
handle them.

I’m not saying children should have guns or access to them without supervision. 
It’s the ones who are untrained that kill or injure people.

We recently had a police officer’s high school aged son put a .45 round through 
the back of his friend’s head while he was playing video games at the cop’s 
kid’s house. The boy wasn’t trained on how to handle or fire a pistol. He broke 
into his father’s bedroom where there was a pistol that was unsecured (his 
service pistol *was* secured in a gun safe) dropped the magazine thinking that 
unloaded the gun, walked up behind his friend, pointed it at the back of his 
head and pulled the trigger.

Yes, there was a round that was chambered.

Anyone who is properly trained on handling firearms would know to check and 
empty the chamber even if the magazine was removed. This was 100% preventable 
through education. You could argue the father was at fault because he didn’t 
secure the pistol, but that argument didn’t fly with the prosecutor because he 
had made a good faith effort to secure the pistol by locking his bedroom.

Tell that to the victim’s family.

The cop and his son refused to talk or cooperate. It took almost a month to get 
enough information out of the two witnesses to come up with evidence to charge 
the cop’s son. The prosecutor was not happy, but the cop lawyered up and shut 
up. Shoot, shovel, shut up.

In my opinion, the boy should be punished, no question, but so should the 
father. I can’t fathom having firearms in a house and not making every member 
of that household participate in training on how to properly handle a firearm. 
That is criminal in my opinion.

-D
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Atrocious as in police are more often than not the most damage people with a 
gun due to their inept firearm use?

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> On May 7, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>  You city people forget that in small towns you know people. My dad was the 
> president of the rod and gun club for almost 10 years. The PDs from all the 
> towns around used that range because it was one of the smallest and easiest 
> to get exclusive use of. The police don't want anybody watching them shoot 
> and mocking their accuracy. The one time I watched it was truly atrocious.
> Anyhow the police know my father by name so I doubt the response would be 
> different. The police knew the kid was being held at gunpoint anyway, my 
> mother was on the phone with them.
> Oh, and the officer's response when he saw the offender was "You again?" He 
> was already driving on a suspended license for DWI. He started high school 
> the year after I graduated, his mother was the theater director at my 
> school...
> 
> -Curt
> 
>On Thursday, May 7, 2020, 5:41:26 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> On May 7, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>>>  Back in 2003 a drunk kid crashed into my parent's driveway demolishing 
>>> both of their cars. He got out of the car and dad said "You stay right 
>>> there." When he started to run dad racked the slide on the old Mossberg 
>>> 500. Kid fell right on the ground and whizzed himself.
>>> When the cops arrived they asked my dad to unload the gun. He laughed and 
>>> opened the slide showing that it had never been loaded in the first place. 
>>> When he saw the situation he grabbed the gun, there was no time to hunt 
>>> around for shells.
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 2003 is 17 years ago. I wonder what the police reaction would be today 
> if they came and your father was holding the shotgun. I doubt it would 
> be, " could you unload that gun sir?". Times have changed and he would 
> be lucky if they did not shoot him. I think these days one might want to 
> drop the gun and step back when the police arrived. In a sense, you 
> cannot blame the police. They don't want to get shot and it is becoming 
> harder to trust anyone.
> 
> RB
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That happens with people who do not train their children properly. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 7, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Or, one of your children shoots you or another of your children . . .
> Seems to happen often
> 
> 
>> On 07/05/2020 12:48 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Until that one time when you do need a loaded gun immediately and can’t find 
>> the bullets.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On May 7, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> My parent's house is FULL of guns. The last I knew there were over 400. 
>>> None are loaded and you'd be hard pressed to find the correct ammunition 
>>> for given gun when needed...
>>> 
>>> No one has ever invaded any house I've ever lived in or near. I see no need 
>>> for a loaded gun in my house. Furthermore I've never been in a situation 
>>> where a loaded gun would have helped me.
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
 On Thursday, May 7, 2020, 10:53:12 AM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Uhhh why was the gun not sitting there loaded in the first place? Had 
>>> somebody been trying to harm him and he grabbed it and didn’t have time to 
>>> load it, he would have been screwed.
>>> 
> 
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 You city people forget that in small towns you know people. My dad was the 
president of the rod and gun club for almost 10 years. The PDs from all the 
towns around used that range because it was one of the smallest and easiest to 
get exclusive use of. The police don't want anybody watching them shoot and 
mocking their accuracy. The one time I watched it was truly atrocious.
Anyhow the police know my father by name so I doubt the response would be 
different. The police knew the kid was being held at gunpoint anyway, my mother 
was on the phone with them.
Oh, and the officer's response when he saw the offender was "You again?" He was 
already driving on a suspended license for DWI. He started high school the year 
after I graduated, his mother was the theater director at my school...

-Curt

On Thursday, May 7, 2020, 5:41:26 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  

 On May 7, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>>  Back in 2003 a drunk kid crashed into my parent's driveway demolishing 
>> both of their cars. He got out of the car and dad said "You stay right 
>> there." When he started to run dad racked the slide on the old Mossberg 500. 
>> Kid fell right on the ground and whizzed himself.
>> When the cops arrived they asked my dad to unload the gun. He laughed and 
>> opened the slide showing that it had never been loaded in the first place. 
>> When he saw the situation he grabbed the gun, there was no time to hunt 
>> around for shells.
>> -Curt
>>
>>    

2003 is 17 years ago. I wonder what the police reaction would be today 
if they came and your father was holding the shotgun. I doubt it would 
be, " could you unload that gun sir?". Times have changed and he would 
be lucky if they did not shoot him. I think these days one might want to 
drop the gun and step back when the police arrived. In a sense, you 
cannot blame the police. They don't want to get shot and it is becoming 
harder to trust anyone.

RB

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 No gun safe, it'd make more sense to have a gun room that had a strong door 
which is, I suppose, just a big safe.
Not required in the state of Maine anyway.
Here in MA some kind of lock is. I used to have mine individually locked but it 
was too much of a PITA. Especially as some of the guns are difficult to lock. I 
finally got a gun cabinet earlier this year, super handy.
-Curt

On Thursday, May 7, 2020, 5:32:19 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On 07/05/2020 12:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>  My parent's house is FULL of guns. The last I knew there were over 400. None 
>are loaded and you'd be hard pressed to find the correct ammunition for given 
>gun when needed...
> No one has ever invaded any house I've ever lived in or near. I see no need 
> for a loaded gun in my house. Furthermore I've never been in a situation 
> where a loaded gun would have helped me.
> -Curt
>
Does your father have the largest gun safe ever or are these just in a 
pile behind the couch? Are you required to secure them in some manner?

RB


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On May 7, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

 Back in 2003 a drunk kid crashed into my parent's driveway demolishing both of their 
cars. He got out of the car and dad said "You stay right there." When he 
started to run dad racked the slide on the old Mossberg 500. Kid fell right on the ground 
and whizzed himself.
When the cops arrived they asked my dad to unload the gun. He laughed and 
opened the slide showing that it had never been loaded in the first place. When 
he saw the situation he grabbed the gun, there was no time to hunt around for 
shells.
-Curt




2003 is 17 years ago. I wonder what the police reaction would be today 
if they came and your father was holding the shotgun. I doubt it would 
be, " could you unload that gun sir?". Times have changed and he would 
be lucky if they did not shoot him. I think these days one might want to 
drop the gun and step back when the police arrived. In a sense, you 
cannot blame the police. They don't want to get shot and it is becoming 
harder to trust anyone.


RB


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On 07/05/2020 12:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

  My parent's house is FULL of guns. The last I knew there were over 400. None 
are loaded and you'd be hard pressed to find the correct ammunition for given 
gun when needed...
No one has ever invaded any house I've ever lived in or near. I see no need for 
a loaded gun in my house. Furthermore I've never been in a situation where a 
loaded gun would have helped me.
-Curt

Does your father have the largest gun safe ever or are these just in a 
pile behind the couch? Are you required to secure them in some manner?


RB


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Or, one of your children shoots you or another of your children . . .
Seems to happen often


On 07/05/2020 12:48 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Until that one time when you do need a loaded gun immediately and can’t find 
the bullets.

Sent from my iPhone


On May 7, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:


My parent's house is FULL of guns. The last I knew there were over 400. None 
are loaded and you'd be hard pressed to find the correct ammunition for given 
gun when needed...

No one has ever invaded any house I've ever lived in or near. I see no need for 
a loaded gun in my house. Furthermore I've never been in a situation where a 
loaded gun would have helped me.

-Curt

On Thursday, May 7, 2020, 10:53:12 AM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Uhhh why was the gun not sitting there loaded in the first place? Had somebody 
been trying to harm him and he grabbed it and didn’t have time to load it, he 
would have been screwed.




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On Thu, May 7, 2020 1:53 pm, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> However, the odds of you hurting yourself or someone else in the house
> with a loaded gun are far greater than you being attacked in your house.

Sarcasm?

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 Good locks are a good basic protection, ours are double deadbolt, which means 
you need a key on both sides. This prevents somebody from simply smashing the 
window and reaching in to unlock.Landscaping so that there aren't any big 
bushes or plants an invader can hide in. Lighting is a big one too, invaders 
don't want to go around a lighted house where they might be spotted. A fence is 
only good until somebody gets through (under, over, around) at which point its 
protection.
"Prod-noses and curtain twitchers" is a Terry Pratchet phrase. Specific to your 
question they "prod their noses into everything".
-Curt

On Thursday, May 7, 2020, 2:29:30 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On Thu, 7 May 2020 18:00:09 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Home invasions are exceedingly rare, especially if you live in the
> country and take basic precautions.

To what kind of precautions do you refer, Curt?

We have a chain link fence around the property we now rent and I keep the
gate chained closed most of the time (virtually all recently).


> Its also helpful to have a neighborhood full of prod-noses and curtain
> twitchers keeping an eye on things. Those people are annoying but do
> have a use...

"prod-noses"?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Hotels

2020-05-07 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Thu, 7 May 2020 18:00:09 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Home invasions are exceedingly rare, especially if you live in the
> country and take basic precautions.

To what kind of precautions do you refer, Curt?

We have a chain link fence around the property we now rent and I keep the
gate chained closed most of the time (virtually all recently).


> Its also helpful to have a neighborhood full of prod-noses and curtain
> twitchers keeping an eye on things. Those people are annoying but do
> have a use...

"prod-noses"?


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My cul de sac doesn’t have any busybodies, but between the various families, 
kids, comings and goings I wouldn’t have the slightest concern about a home 
invasion. In fact, a couple of my neighbors seem to rarely ever close their 
garage doors unless it’s at night. One fo them even leaved the interior door 
open so their kitty can go in and out via the garage.

-D

> On May 7, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Home invasions are exceedingly rare, especially if you live in the country 
> and take basic precautions. Its also helpful to have a neighborhood full of 
> prod-noses and curtain twitchers keeping an eye on things. Those people are 
> annoying but do have a use...
> 
> -Curt
> 
>On Thursday, May 7, 2020, 1:54:25 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> However, the odds of you hurting yourself or someone else in the house with
> a loaded gun are far greater than you being attacked in your house.
> You do need to know where the ammo for a self defense firearm is located,
> without having to search, or even think about it.
> 
> On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 12:48 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Until that one time when you do need a loaded gun immediately and can’t
>> find the bullets.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 7, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> My parent's house is FULL of guns. The last I knew there were over 400.
>> None are loaded and you'd be hard pressed to find the correct ammunition
>> for given gun when needed...
>>> 
>>> No one has ever invaded any house I've ever lived in or near. I see no
>> need for a loaded gun in my house. Furthermore I've never been in a
>> situation where a loaded gun would have helped me.
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, May 7, 2020, 10:53:12 AM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Uhhh why was the gun not sitting there loaded in the first place? Had
>> somebody been trying to harm him and he grabbed it and didn’t have time to
>> load it, he would have been screwed.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On May 7, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
  Back in 2003 a drunk kid crashed into my parent's driveway
>> demolishing both of their cars. He got out of the car and dad said "You
>> stay right there." When he started to run dad racked the slide on the old
>> Mossberg 500. Kid fell right on the ground and whizzed himself.
 When the cops arrived they asked my dad to unload the gun. He laughed
>> and opened the slide showing that it had never been loaded in the first
>> place. When he saw the situation he grabbed the gun, there was no time to
>> hunt around for shells.
 -Curt
 
 On Thursday, May 7, 2020, 8:51:07 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Absolutely.
 
 -D
 
> On May 7, 2020, at 8:44 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> IMHO, _the_ most important factor in a home-defense shotgun is the
>> 'CLACK-CLACK'
> sound it makes.  Time to go!
> 
> -- Jim
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 Home invasions are exceedingly rare, especially if you live in the country and 
take basic precautions. Its also helpful to have a neighborhood full of 
prod-noses and curtain twitchers keeping an eye on things. Those people are 
annoying but do have a use...

-Curt

On Thursday, May 7, 2020, 1:54:25 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 However, the odds of you hurting yourself or someone else in the house with
a loaded gun are far greater than you being attacked in your house.
You do need to know where the ammo for a self defense firearm is located,
without having to search, or even think about it.

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 12:48 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Until that one time when you do need a loaded gun immediately and can’t
> find the bullets.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 7, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > My parent's house is FULL of guns. The last I knew there were over 400.
> None are loaded and you'd be hard pressed to find the correct ammunition
> for given gun when needed...
> >
> > No one has ever invaded any house I've ever lived in or near. I see no
> need for a loaded gun in my house. Furthermore I've never been in a
> situation where a loaded gun would have helped me.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Thursday, May 7, 2020, 10:53:12 AM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Uhhh why was the gun not sitting there loaded in the first place? Had
> somebody been trying to harm him and he grabbed it and didn’t have time to
> load it, he would have been screwed.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On May 7, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >  Back in 2003 a drunk kid crashed into my parent's driveway
> demolishing both of their cars. He got out of the car and dad said "You
> stay right there." When he started to run dad racked the slide on the old
> Mossberg 500. Kid fell right on the ground and whizzed himself.
> > > When the cops arrived they asked my dad to unload the gun. He laughed
> and opened the slide showing that it had never been loaded in the first
> place. When he saw the situation he grabbed the gun, there was no time to
> hunt around for shells.
> > > -Curt
> > >
> > >    On Thursday, May 7, 2020, 8:51:07 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Absolutely.
> > >
> > > -D
> > >
> > >> On May 7, 2020, at 8:44 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> IMHO, _the_ most important factor in a home-defense shotgun is the
> 'CLACK-CLACK'
> > >> sound it makes.  Time to go!
> > >>
> > >> -- Jim
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2020-05-07 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

However, the odds of you hurting yourself or someone else in the house with
a loaded gun are far greater than you being attacked in your house.
You do need to know where the ammo for a self defense firearm is located,
without having to search, or even think about it.

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 12:48 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Until that one time when you do need a loaded gun immediately and can’t
> find the bullets.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 7, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > My parent's house is FULL of guns. The last I knew there were over 400.
> None are loaded and you'd be hard pressed to find the correct ammunition
> for given gun when needed...
> >
> > No one has ever invaded any house I've ever lived in or near. I see no
> need for a loaded gun in my house. Furthermore I've never been in a
> situation where a loaded gun would have helped me.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Thursday, May 7, 2020, 10:53:12 AM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Uhhh why was the gun not sitting there loaded in the first place? Had
> somebody been trying to harm him and he grabbed it and didn’t have time to
> load it, he would have been screwed.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On May 7, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >  Back in 2003 a drunk kid crashed into my parent's driveway
> demolishing both of their cars. He got out of the car and dad said "You
> stay right there." When he started to run dad racked the slide on the old
> Mossberg 500. Kid fell right on the ground and whizzed himself.
> > > When the cops arrived they asked my dad to unload the gun. He laughed
> and opened the slide showing that it had never been loaded in the first
> place. When he saw the situation he grabbed the gun, there was no time to
> hunt around for shells.
> > > -Curt
> > >
> > >On Thursday, May 7, 2020, 8:51:07 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Absolutely.
> > >
> > > -D
> > >
> > >> On May 7, 2020, at 8:44 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> IMHO, _the_ most important factor in a home-defense shotgun is the
> 'CLACK-CLACK'
> > >> sound it makes.  Time to go!
> > >>
> > >> -- Jim
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Until that one time when you do need a loaded gun immediately and can’t find 
the bullets. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 7, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> 
> My parent's house is FULL of guns. The last I knew there were over 400. None 
> are loaded and you'd be hard pressed to find the correct ammunition for given 
> gun when needed...
> 
> No one has ever invaded any house I've ever lived in or near. I see no need 
> for a loaded gun in my house. Furthermore I've never been in a situation 
> where a loaded gun would have helped me.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Thursday, May 7, 2020, 10:53:12 AM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Uhhh why was the gun not sitting there loaded in the first place? Had 
> somebody been trying to harm him and he grabbed it and didn’t have time to 
> load it, he would have been screwed. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On May 7, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >  Back in 2003 a drunk kid crashed into my parent's driveway demolishing 
> > both of their cars. He got out of the car and dad said "You stay right 
> > there." When he started to run dad racked the slide on the old Mossberg 
> > 500. Kid fell right on the ground and whizzed himself.
> > When the cops arrived they asked my dad to unload the gun. He laughed and 
> > opened the slide showing that it had never been loaded in the first place. 
> > When he saw the situation he grabbed the gun, there was no time to hunt 
> > around for shells.
> > -Curt
> > 
> >On Thursday, May 7, 2020, 8:51:07 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:  
> > 
> > Absolutely.
> > 
> > -D
> > 
> >> On May 7, 2020, at 8:44 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> IMHO, _the_ most important factor in a home-defense shotgun is the 
> >> 'CLACK-CLACK'
> >> sound it makes.  Time to go!
> >> 
> >> -- Jim
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 My parent's house is FULL of guns. The last I knew there were over 400. None 
are loaded and you'd be hard pressed to find the correct ammunition for given 
gun when needed...
No one has ever invaded any house I've ever lived in or near. I see no need for 
a loaded gun in my house. Furthermore I've never been in a situation where a 
loaded gun would have helped me.
-Curt

On Thursday, May 7, 2020, 10:53:12 AM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Uhhh why was the gun not sitting there loaded in the first place? Had somebody 
been trying to harm him and he grabbed it and didn’t have time to load it, he 
would have been screwed. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 7, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>  Back in 2003 a drunk kid crashed into my parent's driveway demolishing both 
> of their cars. He got out of the car and dad said "You stay right there." 
> When he started to run dad racked the slide on the old Mossberg 500. Kid fell 
> right on the ground and whizzed himself.
> When the cops arrived they asked my dad to unload the gun. He laughed and 
> opened the slide showing that it had never been loaded in the first place. 
> When he saw the situation he grabbed the gun, there was no time to hunt 
> around for shells.
> -Curt
> 
>    On Thursday, May 7, 2020, 8:51:07 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> wrote:  
> 
> Absolutely.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 7, 2020, at 8:44 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> IMHO, _the_ most important factor in a home-defense shotgun is the 
>> 'CLACK-CLACK'
>> sound it makes.  Time to go!
>> 
>> -- Jim
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And it is BIG and can readily be seen.

RB

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IMHO, _the_ most important factor in a home-defense shotgun is the 'CLACK-CLACK'
sound it makes.  Time to go!

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Uhhh why was the gun not sitting there loaded in the first place? Had somebody 
been trying to harm him and he grabbed it and didn’t have time to load it, he 
would have been screwed. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 7, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>  Back in 2003 a drunk kid crashed into my parent's driveway demolishing both 
> of their cars. He got out of the car and dad said "You stay right there." 
> When he started to run dad racked the slide on the old Mossberg 500. Kid fell 
> right on the ground and whizzed himself.
> When the cops arrived they asked my dad to unload the gun. He laughed and 
> opened the slide showing that it had never been loaded in the first place. 
> When he saw the situation he grabbed the gun, there was no time to hunt 
> around for shells.
> -Curt
> 
>On Thursday, May 7, 2020, 8:51:07 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Absolutely.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 7, 2020, at 8:44 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> IMHO, _the_ most important factor in a home-defense shotgun is the 
>> 'CLACK-CLACK'
>> sound it makes.  Time to go!
>> 
>> -- Jim
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 Back in 2003 a drunk kid crashed into my parent's driveway demolishing both of 
their cars. He got out of the car and dad said "You stay right there." When he 
started to run dad racked the slide on the old Mossberg 500. Kid fell right on 
the ground and whizzed himself.
When the cops arrived they asked my dad to unload the gun. He laughed and 
opened the slide showing that it had never been loaded in the first place. When 
he saw the situation he grabbed the gun, there was no time to hunt around for 
shells.
-Curt

On Thursday, May 7, 2020, 8:51:07 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Absolutely.

-D

> On May 7, 2020, at 8:44 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> IMHO, _the_ most important factor in a home-defense shotgun is the 
> 'CLACK-CLACK'
> sound it makes.  Time to go!
> 
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Absolutely.

-D

> On May 7, 2020, at 8:44 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
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> IMHO, _the_ most important factor in a home-defense shotgun is the 
> 'CLACK-CLACK'
> sound it makes.  Time to go!
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2020-05-07 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

> Lots of Karens out to ensure compliance.

I'd rather work with the Davises.

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2020-05-07 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

IMHO, _the_ most important factor in a home-defense shotgun is the 'CLACK-CLACK'
sound it makes.  Time to go!

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2020-05-07 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes

This is a misperception.  At self-defense distances the shot pattern is only a 
few inches in diameter.  So you need to aim nearly as accurately as a rifle or 
pistol.
Also, referring to Curt's 20 ga/.410 comment, there are good reasons to go with 
12 ga., like availability of parts and accessories and ammo availability, 
including low recoil loads.  
My 20 ga Remington 870 still kicks like a mule with magnum loads.

> -Original Message-
> From:  Randy Bennell via Mercedes
> 
> Short 12 ga pump. Won't matter how nervous you are, you should hit
> something.
> 


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Really great slum housing prospects.  Seattle will tow an RV.  Takes a few 
months, but it does happen.  Then the owner will buy it back at auction for 
$50, drag it back downtown, install tenant, homeless pays him rent of a few 
hundred to stay out of the weather.  Wash, rinse, repeat ad nauseum.



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> On May 6, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
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> I read somewhere that people leaving old RVs behind is a real problem. 
> Apparently paying a fine is cheaper than paying somebody to take an old 
> trailer...
> -Curt
> 
>On Wednesday, May 6, 2020, 1:23:08 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
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>> Is it based on some snob factor "we only want new RVs in our park"
> 
> Yes, that.  We don't want THOSE people around us...
> 
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Alaska snow birds will be allowed home.  As long as the plague ridden RVers 
remain ensconced in their homes on wheels and do not interact with the locals, 
Canadians are giving the green light on their moving along the AlCan.

They will be expected to remain locked down in their rigs for a further 14 days 
after testing safe from contagion once they return to US Soil.  Lots of Karens 
out to ensure compliance.  There will be no NEW rental RV coming in this year.  
 

I will be very surprised if there are not incredible deals on 2019 rigs by the 
end of the year.

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> On May 6, 2020, at 8:06 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Many RV parks will refuse entry to any RV that is more than 10 years old...
> Two years ago, had a friend come to visit for the winter, owns an 12 yr old
> RV and we had a very hard time finding a place that would let them park..
> Might want to consider that while shopping for one...
> 
> On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 8:48 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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>> Here in New England an RV more than about 15 years old probably has a
>> leaking roof and is therefore worth less than zero. People pay to have them
>> taken away...
>> I suspect where you are a leaking roof is less of a liability.
>> Where are you planning to park it? I remember you saying that a Sprinter
>> was too small. Its hard to stealth camp in a trailer.
>> -Curt
>> 
>>   On Wednesday, May 6, 2020, 10:58:52 AM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Been looking at 15 to 25 year old documented correctly maintained
>> Newmars, Beavers, or Foretravels.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Time to invest!

#1 boy learned Whiting Petroleum was going into chapter 11.  Tossed a $50 bill 
at their stock and ended up with a few hundred shares a few weeks ago.  
Yesterday his investment had almost quadrupled in value.  

An uneducated guess at which air carriers will still be in the air in two years 
might be worth wasting a couple hundred bux en toto gathering up their stocks 
at penny prices.  One of them is bound to survive and more than pay back any 
losses on the others.


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> On May 5, 2020, at 8:53 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
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> I don't think AA will be around much longer.
> 
> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-01/american-air-stock-price-target-falls-to-just-a-buck-at-evercore
> 
> 
> Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Yeah, my BIL, who works for AA, told us last week it was going to be a 
>> think. AA had only 12 flights scheduled to leave Phoenix yesterday. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 5, 2020, at 6:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Also, the latest I heard for AA is they will be requiring all passengers 
>>> wear a mask.  That is going to suck.
>>> 
 On 5/5/2020 8:46 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
 Yup. It’s going to be weird.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 5:18 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> When I do return to travel staying at hotels is bound to be a big 
> difference.  Previous to the beer virus many hotels I stay at would have 
> an evening reception with food, then of course the breakfast buffet.  I 
> bet all of this disappears now.
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The old ones are seen as homeless dojos that may not leave. Ever.  

I do not see the magic of living in a small mobile space.  Not a pleasure boat, 
RV, trailer, tent, or other residential option without a foundation

> On May 6, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Wow that’s crazy. I guess that keeps the RV dealers in business if you have 
> to buy a new one every 10 years. If I had one it would be a well maintained 
> one that is over 10 years old. Last and only one I had was a 94 5th wheel in 
> good shape. Never did use it though. 

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This is much worse than 9/11.  The rest of the world went about its business, 
we cowered in fear for a few weeks, then got back on planes, with reduced civil 
liberties.  No business suffered interference to the point of force closures 
and fines.  I expect very few people actually lost their homes except those 
right close to the towers that fell down.

ANC has closed the public side of the terminal, but get past TSA and the 
business is pretty brisk, with food, drinks, retail.  Have to keep the animals 
calm

> On May 6, 2020, at 5:34 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> This is almost like another 911. I’m afraid it will never be the same again. 
> I think this whole deal has been made to appear worse than it is. There 
> appears to have been many (millions?) that had it and never knew it and 
> recovered. It just does not seem like it was worth destroying the economy 
> over. 

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2020-05-06 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes

Toronado had a transverse engine, chain coupled transmission if I remember 
correctly (torque converter on the bell housing, chain drive to the front of 
the tranny which pointed the other way).



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2020-05-06 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes

Jim Cathey  writes:

>> 1970s era GMC motorhome -- front wheel drive,
>
> Based on a Toronado drivetrain?  Sounds like it.

>From what I've read, yes. Oldsmobile 455 V8. Many Toronado parts
supposedly work on these. Engine is mounted conventionally with
transmission is alongside, driven by a chain. I don't know if that's
what they did in the Toronado.

Allan

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 20ga or .410 is much more accessible for smaller folks, nearly as good odds.At 
one point one of the shotgun manufacturers sold a .410 for home defense, it had 
a rectangular box on the muzzle which was supposed to hold the pellets in a 
vertical, person box like choke. Maybe do less damage to walls? I dunno if it 
worked or was just marketing.
The nice thing about a shotgun with something like #2 shot is it probably won't 
penetrate walls, or if it does it won't have much power left. #2 probably won't 
kill an intruder but will seriously impact their day...
-Curt

On Wednesday, May 6, 2020, 3:40:37 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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Short 12 ga pump. Won't matter how nervous you are, you should hit 
something.



On 06/05/2020 2:36 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
> Some large hospitals have arrangements with RV lots to accept their patients. 
> It might pay for him to check with the hospital he's going to on RV parking, 
> and then check with the park on restrictions. Mitch's Glock suggestion is a 
> good idea wherever he parks his RV IMO.
> Gerry
>
> Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, May 6, 2020 9:18 am, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>>> This is why Iâ€™m considering getting an RV of some sort so I can be,
>>> basically, self sufficient when I have to make my doctor trips to
>>> Houston.
>> R320CDI + air bed (if you're sleeping in a Houston parking lot + Glock
>> +33rd magazine)
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> 1970s era GMC motorhome -- front wheel drive,

Based on a Toronado drivetrain?  Sounds like it.

DBAG did something similar with the Unimog for those 'squatting' car carriers.

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2020-05-06 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes



Short 12 ga pump. Won't matter how nervous you are, you should hit 
something.




On 06/05/2020 2:36 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

Some large hospitals have arrangements with RV lots to accept their patients. 
It might pay for him to check with the hospital he's going to on RV parking, 
and then check with the park on restrictions. Mitch's Glock suggestion is a 
good idea wherever he parks his RV IMO.
Gerry

Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes  wrote:


On Wed, May 6, 2020 9:18 am, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

This is why Iâ€™m considering getting an RV of some sort so I can be,
basically, self sufficient when I have to make my doctor trips to
Houston.

R320CDI + air bed (if you're sleeping in a Houston parking lot + Glock
+33rd magazine)

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2020-05-06 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes


On 06/05/2020 12:53 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrot

I've occasionally toyed with the idea of finding a 1970s era GMC
motorhome in good shape. These were sort of intersting -- front wheel
drive, so the floor of the "living" area can be lower. No rear axle
either, the tandem rear wheels are on bogies with an automatically
leveling air bag suspension on the outside of the frame, again allowing
for a flat low floor. This could also be used to level the camper when
parked.

I don't know how many of these are still around and what sort of prices
they demand.

Allan


They were nice and have a bit of a cult following BUT they were all 
fiberglass. Have you ever seen one burn?


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2020-05-06 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

Some large hospitals have arrangements with RV lots to accept their patients. 
It might pay for him to check with the hospital he's going to on RV parking, 
and then check with the park on restrictions. Mitch's Glock suggestion is a 
good idea wherever he parks his RV IMO.
Gerry

Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes  wrote:

> On Wed, May 6, 2020 9:18 am, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> > This is why Iâm considering getting an RV of some sort so I can be,
> > basically, self sufficient when I have to make my doctor trips to
> > Houston.
> 
> R320CDI + air bed (if you're sleeping in a Houston parking lot + Glock
> +33rd magazine)

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2020-05-06 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Those old GMCs have a cult following.

http://www.gmcers.org/

https://www.hagerty.com/media/car-profiles/gmc-motorhome-is-fwd-wonder/


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 I got one turkey on video 2 weeks ago. My camera doesn't like to trigger for 
them I guess. The video is kind of funny, nothing is happening and then the 
turkey's head pops into view right at the bottom of the screen.
I saw a hen yesterday. Today I listened to the tom gobble for probably an hour 
but I couldn't get him to cross the river. He's in a little spit of land 
between two rivers where its really hard to get at him. Depending on the 
weather I may take the kayak out tomorrow otherwise its like a 3 mile hike, 
part of it across a sketchy railroad bridge, to get over there.

I flushed the hen today but didn't see her. I could hear something moving near 
me, I thought it was a deer so I started to get up to get a look and heard her 
fly. She hadn't made any chirps or anything which is maybe why the tom doesn't 
respond to me much when I call.

-Curt

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 I went to the Rockabillaque thing last fall and there were a lot of 50s 
and 60s cars there, one guy had some huge old station wagon, green, and 
a little Shasta trailer he had totally redone, car and trailer matching 
colors.  The lady partner said they went all over with it and had a lot 
of fun

I have not seen many turkeys around this year but earlier there was a 
racoon fight out in the woods, and I saw a black racoon (I guess that's 
what it was) climbing down a tree outside my bedroom window early.

--FT

On 5/6/20 12:12 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>  I wonder if that would apply to an Airstream? They're one of the few modern 
>campers that have any kind of following and/or resale value.
> Further I wonder if it would apply to a really vintage trailer that had been 
> restored. There are a bunch of people restoring the old "canned ham" 
> trailers. They go "glamping" or "glamour camping" setting everything in a 
> '50s motif. I guess some people even get a matching vehicle and dress the 
> part. I find that a lot more interesting than dragging a trailer to some 
> crappy campground full of other people's snotty brats.
>
> -CurtI laid in the woods this morning listening to the turkeys and thinking 
> that if it doesn't rain next week I might sneak out and camp in the state 
> park. Its against the rules but the park is large and enforcement is small...

-- 
--FT

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2020-05-06 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

I went to the Rockabillaque thing last fall and there were a lot of 50s
and 60s cars there, one guy had some huge old station wagon, green, and
a little Shasta trailer he had totally redone, car and trailer matching
colors. The lady partner said they went all over with it and had a lot
of fun

I have not seen many turkeys around this year but earlier there was a
racoon fight out in the woods, and I saw a black racoon (I guess that's
what it was) climbing down a tree outside my bedroom window early.

--FT

On 5/6/20 12:12 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I wonder if that would apply to an Airstream? They're one of the few modern
campers that have any kind of following and/or resale value.
Further I wonder if it would apply to a really vintage trailer that had been restored. There are a bunch of
people restoring the old "canned ham" trailers. They go "glamping" or "glamour
camping" setting everything in a '50s motif. I guess some people even get a matching vehicle and dress
the part. I find that a lot more interesting than dragging a trailer to some crappy campground full of other
people's snotty brats.

-CurtI laid in the woods this morning listening to the turkeys and thinking
that if it doesn't rain next week I might sneak out and camp in the state park.
Its against the rules but the park is large and enforcement is small...

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2020-05-06 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes



> Yes, that.  We don't want THOSE people around us...

I've occasionally toyed with the idea of finding a 1970s era GMC
motorhome in good shape. These were sort of intersting -- front wheel
drive, so the floor of the "living" area can be lower. No rear axle
either, the tandem rear wheels are on bogies with an automatically
leveling air bag suspension on the outside of the frame, again allowing
for a flat low floor. This could also be used to level the camper when
parked.

I don't know how many of these are still around and what sort of prices
they demand.

Allan


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 I read somewhere that people leaving old RVs behind is a real problem. 
Apparently paying a fine is cheaper than paying somebody to take an old 
trailer...
-Curt

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 wrote:  
 
 > Is it based on some snob factor "we only want new RVs in our park"

Yes, that.  We don't want THOSE people around us...

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> Is it based on some snob factor "we only want new RVs in our park"

Yes, that.  We don't want THOSE people around us...

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Re: [MBZ] Hotels

2020-05-06 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes

G Mann via Mercedes  writes:

> Many RV parks will refuse entry to any RV that is more than 10 years old...
> Two years ago, had a friend come to visit for the winter, owns an 12 yr old
> RV and we had a very hard time finding a place that would let them park..
> Might want to consider that while shopping for one...

Wow, never heard of that. Is it based on some snob factor "we only want
new RVs in our park" or a safety concern of some sort (e.g. more likely
to leak grey/black water or have an LP leak). I don't camp a lot but
around the midwest I've seen some truly clapped-out RVs that look like
Cousin Eddy's "tenement on wheels" from Christmas Vacation, if not
worse. I mostly camp in state parks though, not private.

Allan

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2020-05-06 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes

Wow that’s crazy. I guess that keeps the RV dealers in business if you have to 
buy a new one every 10 years. If I had one it would be a well maintained one 
that is over 10 years old. Last and only one I had was a 94 5th wheel in good 
shape. Never did use it though. 

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> On May 6, 2020, at 11:07 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Many RV parks will refuse entry to any RV that is more than 10 years old...
> Two years ago, had a friend come to visit for the winter, owns an 12 yr old
> RV and we had a very hard time finding a place that would let them park..
> Might want to consider that while shopping for one...
> 
>> On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 8:48 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Here in New England an RV more than about 15 years old probably has a
>> leaking roof and is therefore worth less than zero. People pay to have them
>> taken away...
>> I suspect where you are a leaking roof is less of a liability.
>> Where are you planning to park it? I remember you saying that a Sprinter
>> was too small. Its hard to stealth camp in a trailer.
>> -Curt
>> 
>>On Wednesday, May 6, 2020, 10:58:52 AM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Been looking at 15 to 25 year old documented correctly maintained
>> Newmars, Beavers, or Foretravels.
>> 
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>>> On May 6, 2020, at 6:35 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> Many RV parks will refuse entry to any RV that is more than 10 years old...

And you thought the typical HOA was restrictive!  I find this whole thing quite
distasteful.  They're basically discriminating against the less affluent.  I 
smell
a nice class-action lawsuit!

Yes, I believe Airstreams do get a bit of a pass on this one.  In part because 
it's
pretty hard to tell just how old they are.

-- Jim


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 I wonder if that would apply to an Airstream? They're one of the few modern 
campers that have any kind of following and/or resale value.
Further I wonder if it would apply to a really vintage trailer that had been 
restored. There are a bunch of people restoring the old "canned ham" trailers. 
They go "glamping" or "glamour camping" setting everything in a '50s motif. I 
guess some people even get a matching vehicle and dress the part. I find that a 
lot more interesting than dragging a trailer to some crappy campground full of 
other people's snotty brats.

-CurtI laid in the woods this morning listening to the turkeys and thinking 
that if it doesn't rain next week I might sneak out and camp in the state park. 
Its against the rules but the park is large and enforcement is small...

On Wednesday, May 6, 2020, 12:07:26 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes 
 wrote:  

 Many RV parks will refuse entry to any RV that is more than 10 years old...
Two years ago, had a friend come to visit for the winter, owns an 12 yr old
RV and we had a very hard time finding a place that would let them park..
Might want to consider that while shopping for one...

On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 8:48 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  Here in New England an RV more than about 15 years old probably has a
> leaking roof and is therefore worth less than zero. People pay to have them
> taken away...
> I suspect where you are a leaking roof is less of a liability.
> Where are you planning to park it? I remember you saying that a Sprinter
> was too small. Its hard to stealth camp in a trailer.
> -Curt
>
>    On Wednesday, May 6, 2020, 10:58:52 AM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  Been looking at 15 to 25 year old documented correctly maintained
> Newmars, Beavers, or Foretravels.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On May 6, 2020, at 6:35 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Hotels

2020-05-06 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

Many RV parks will refuse entry to any RV that is more than 10 years old...
Two years ago, had a friend come to visit for the winter, owns an 12 yr old
RV and we had a very hard time finding a place that would let them park..
Might want to consider that while shopping for one...

On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 8:48 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  Here in New England an RV more than about 15 years old probably has a
> leaking roof and is therefore worth less than zero. People pay to have them
> taken away...
> I suspect where you are a leaking roof is less of a liability.
> Where are you planning to park it? I remember you saying that a Sprinter
> was too small. Its hard to stealth camp in a trailer.
> -Curt
>
> On Wednesday, May 6, 2020, 10:58:52 AM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  Been looking at 15 to 25 year old documented correctly maintained
> Newmars, Beavers, or Foretravels.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 6, 2020, at 6:35 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Hotels

 Here in New England an RV more than about 15 years old probably has a leaking 
roof and is therefore worth less than zero. People pay to have them taken 
away...
I suspect where you are a leaking roof is less of a liability.
Where are you planning to park it? I remember you saying that a Sprinter was 
too small. Its hard to stealth camp in a trailer.
-Curt

On Wednesday, May 6, 2020, 10:58:52 AM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Been looking at 15 to 25 year old documented correctly maintained Newmars, 
Beavers, or Foretravels. 

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> On May 6, 2020, at 6:35 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Hotels

2020-05-06 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes

Been looking at 15 to 25 year old documented correctly maintained Newmars, 
Beavers, or Foretravels. 

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> On May 6, 2020, at 6:35 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
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