[MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
It will use the MB 3 litre turbocharged CDI V6, an all aluminum engine, producing 367 ft-lbs of torque.? It was announced for delivery last Spring, but demand for the engine (ML,G-Wagon, etc) has delayed deliveries.? At the Phoenix new car show,I saw a sign on a post in the jeep area, but the salesman (?) did not offer to take my order.? He just said to go sit in that Grand Cherokee over there, there all the same! Has anyone seen? one in the flesh, or on the road?? The towing capacity was pretty good, 7800 pounds, or thereabouts.? MPG was 20 city, 25 highway.? A loaded diesel Grand Cherokee for about 34K would undercut the ML by plenty, and have a low range in the 4WD, too. NOTE: this is not the italian made diesel they were putting in some of the smaller jeeps! Jim in Phoenix More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp000503 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
On Dec 5, 2007 9:30 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It will use the MB 3 litre turbocharged CDI V6, an all aluminum engine, >producing 367 ft-lbs of torque.? Seems like the sale of Chrysler to Cerberus would have aborted this plan. Last I heard, Chrysler was planning to offer the Dakota, D150, and Durango with an all-new relatively small Cummins engine. I'd be surprised if they keep buying anything from Daimler--both new companies seem to be interested in severing their ties---for example, Chrysler plans to stop manufacturing of some or all of their models that used M-B componentry (the Magnum and Crossfire for sure, not sure about the 300 and Charger). Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Has anyone seen? one in the flesh, or on the road?? I saw one maybe a couple of months ago, so they do exist. Very discreet badging; most people would never see it. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
> > On Dec 5, 2007 9:30 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It will use the MB 3 litre turbocharged CDI V6, an all aluminum engine, > >producing 367 ft-lbs of torque.? > > Seems like the sale of Chrysler to Cerberus would have aborted this plan. > > Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo et al. Alex- the TD grand cherokees are out there, just not that many. In Chrysler's thinking b/c its a diesel it has to be marked up as a ~ 5k "option"; by the time you get to the bottom of the window sticker you have a price thats up with the gen-u-ine article MB's. Saw one at a local dealer here in the late Summer. And just think of how much fun it would be to get serviced. I've heard stories about Crossfire (rebodied, previous-generation SLK) customers- dealers who don't know a thing about them. Go to a MB dealer and there is a rumor that MB dealers aren't to touch them. Now, take the completely foreign diesel plopped into a Jeep and see what fun dealers will have with figuring those out. Tony Wirtel 92 300e, 91 300d, others ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
is the Jeep diesel available for sale in all 50 states? or are there 6-8 states that like to follow in Kalifornia's CARB footsteps and limit sales of diesels? Like the new MB Diesel is not sold in Kalif., etc. It's such a sad situation - diesels offer such a great solution to improving the environment yet the biggest car market in the US prevents their sale. Oh well - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Tony Wirtel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee > > >> On Dec 5, 2007 9:30 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > It will use the MB 3 litre turbocharged CDI V6, an all aluminum engine, >> >producing 367 ft-lbs of torque.? >> >> Seems like the sale of Chrysler to Cerberus would have aborted this plan. >> > >> Alex Chamberlain >> '87 300D Turbo et al. > > Alex- the TD grand cherokees are out there, just not that many. In > Chrysler's thinking b/c its a diesel it has to be marked up as a ~ 5k > "option"; by the time you get to the bottom of the window sticker you > have a price thats up with the gen-u-ine article MB's. Saw one at a > local dealer here in the late Summer. > > And just think of how much fun it would be to get serviced. I've > heard stories about Crossfire (rebodied, previous-generation SLK) > customers- dealers who don't know a thing about them. Go to a MB > dealer and there is a rumor that MB dealers aren't to touch them. > Now, take the completely foreign diesel plopped into a Jeep and see > what fun dealers will have with figuring those out. > > Tony Wirtel > 92 300e, 91 300d, others > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.15/1174 - Release Date: > 12/6/2007 10:11 AM > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
according the the very small very faint print at the bottom of this page, it's another 43-state motor. http://www.jeep.com/crd/index.html cheers! e LarryT wrote: > is the Jeep diesel available for sale in all 50 states? or are there 6-8 > states that like to follow in Kalifornia's CARB footsteps and limit sales of > diesels? > > Like the new MB Diesel is not sold in Kalif., etc. > > It's such a sad situation - diesels offer such a great solution to improving > the environment yet the biggest car market in the US prevents their sale. > > Oh well - > > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > . > > - Original Message - > From: "Tony Wirtel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:49 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee > > > >>> On Dec 5, 2007 9:30 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> It will use the MB 3 litre turbocharged CDI V6, an all aluminum engine, >>>> producing 367 ft-lbs of torque.? >>>> >>> Seems like the sale of Chrysler to Cerberus would have aborted this plan. >>> >>> >> >> >>> Alex Chamberlain >>> '87 300D Turbo et al. >>> >> Alex- the TD grand cherokees are out there, just not that many. In >> Chrysler's thinking b/c its a diesel it has to be marked up as a ~ 5k >> "option"; by the time you get to the bottom of the window sticker you >> have a price thats up with the gen-u-ine article MB's. Saw one at a >> local dealer here in the late Summer. >> >> And just think of how much fun it would be to get serviced. I've >> heard stories about Crossfire (rebodied, previous-generation SLK) >> customers- dealers who don't know a thing about them. Go to a MB >> dealer and there is a rumor that MB dealers aren't to touch them. >> Now, take the completely foreign diesel plopped into a Jeep and see >> what fun dealers will have with figuring those out. >> >> Tony Wirtel >> 92 300e, 91 300d, others >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.15/1174 - Release Date: >> 12/6/2007 10:11 AM >> >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
I stopped in a Dorge, Cheep, Chrypsler stealership last spring , before the messy stockholder riot, and subsequent divorce, to see what all the big talk had yielded. I was told they could get me a diesel Cheep Grand ripoff, I mean Cherokee for a mere $50k. They didn't know if it had a MB Diesel or what. I told them for $50k, I could buy a real Mercedes Benz, and left. At 02:09 PM 12/8/2007, you wrote: >is the Jeep diesel available for sale in all 50 states? or are there 6-8 >states that like to follow in Kalifornia's CARB footsteps and limit sales of >diesels? > >Like the new MB Diesel is not sold in Kalif., etc. > >It's such a sad situation - diesels offer such a great solution to improving >the environment yet the biggest car market in the US prevents their sale. > >Oh well - > >Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) >www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts >Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil >PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net >Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs >. > >- Original Message - >From: "Tony Wirtel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:49 PM >Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee > > > > > > >> On Dec 5, 2007 9:30 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > It will use the MB 3 litre turbocharged CDI V6, an all aluminum engine, > >> >producing 367 ft-lbs of torque.? > >> > >> Seems like the sale of Chrysler to Cerberus would have aborted this plan. > >> > > > >> Alex Chamberlain > >> '87 300D Turbo et al. > > > > Alex- the TD grand cherokees are out there, just not that many. In > > Chrysler's thinking b/c its a diesel it has to be marked up as a ~ 5k > > "option"; by the time you get to the bottom of the window sticker you > > have a price thats up with the gen-u-ine article MB's. Saw one at a > > local dealer here in the late Summer. > > > > And just think of how much fun it would be to get serviced. I've > > heard stories about Crossfire (rebodied, previous-generation SLK) > > customers- dealers who don't know a thing about them. Go to a MB > > dealer and there is a rumor that MB dealers aren't to touch them. > > Now, take the completely foreign diesel plopped into a Jeep and see > > what fun dealers will have with figuring those out. > > > > Tony Wirtel > > 92 300e, 91 300d, others > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.15/1174 - Release Date: > > 12/6/2007 10:11 AM > > > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
I drive a 01 Grand Cherokee with 170,000 miles on the clock & my Wife drives a 05 Grand Cherokee with 35,000 miles on the clock. Bash if you'd like but the Jeep Grand Cherokee is an excellent vehicle. I can't say the same for my oldest Son's M class, which had an engine rebuild at 85,000 miles And the diesel engine in the Grand Cherokee is the same one that's in the Mercedes. It's manufactured by a subsidiary in Italy. I don't drive a diesel Grand Cherokee because the cost per mile is less in my 01. I get 18 MPG in the city & 21 MPG on the highway with my in-line 6 cylinder engine. The diesel Grand Cherokee is rated at 21 / 25. Right now, Chrysler offering a lifetime warranty on all Jeep engines, except for the diesel. Why not the diesel? Because they don't expect the same reliability from the engine. Wife works for the company & I asked the right people. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 4:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee I stopped in a Dorge, Cheep, Chrypsler stealership last spring , before the messy stockholder riot, and subsequent divorce, to see what all the big talk had yielded. I was told they could get me a diesel Cheep Grand ripoff, I mean Cherokee for a mere $50k. They didn't know if it had a MB Diesel or what. I told them for $50k, I could buy a real Mercedes Benz, and left. At 02:09 PM 12/8/2007, you wrote: >is the Jeep diesel available for sale in all 50 states? or are there 6-8 >states that like to follow in Kalifornia's CARB footsteps and limit sales of >diesels? > >Like the new MB Diesel is not sold in Kalif., etc. > >It's such a sad situation - diesels offer such a great solution to improving >the environment yet the biggest car market in the US prevents their sale. > >Oh well - > >Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) >www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts >Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil >PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net >Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs >. > >- Original Message - >From: "Tony Wirtel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:49 PM >Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee > > > > > > >> On Dec 5, 2007 9:30 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > It will use the MB 3 litre turbocharged CDI V6, an all aluminum engine, > >> >producing 367 ft-lbs of torque.? > >> > >> Seems like the sale of Chrysler to Cerberus would have aborted this plan. > >> > > > >> Alex Chamberlain > >> '87 300D Turbo et al. > > > > Alex- the TD grand cherokees are out there, just not that many. In > > Chrysler's thinking b/c its a diesel it has to be marked up as a ~ 5k > > "option"; by the time you get to the bottom of the window sticker you > > have a price thats up with the gen-u-ine article MB's. Saw one at a > > local dealer here in the late Summer. > > > > And just think of how much fun it would be to get serviced. I've > > heard stories about Crossfire (rebodied, previous-generation SLK) > > customers- dealers who don't know a thing about them. Go to a MB > > dealer and there is a rumor that MB dealers aren't to touch them. > > Now, take the completely foreign diesel plopped into a Jeep and see > > what fun dealers will have with figuring those out. > > > > Tony Wirtel > > 92 300e, 91 300d, others > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.15/1174 - Release Date: > > 12/6/2007 10:11 AM > > > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
Other than the reliablity issue which is clearly a disaster you're already getting higher than the rated mileage on your Jeep and so should get higher with the diesel I'd think. I also regularly get higher than the rated both on my 190D and Dakota. In fact I did on my '88 GMC too. I've never driven a Grand Cherokee but my parents had a Cherokee and I hated it, worst 4x4 I've ever driven, my '88 GMC S15 ate it alive in the woods and for mileage and for comfort, and for handling. The 4.0 i6 was a powerful engine though. The folks have a pair of Liberties now and they sure don't impress me. Its not like I don't have anything to compare them to... -Curt Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:01:24 -0600 From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I drive a 01 Grand Cherokee with 170,000 miles on the clock & my Wife drives a 05 Grand Cherokee with 35,000 miles on the clock. Bash if you'd like but the Jeep Grand Cherokee is an excellent vehicle. I can't say the same for my oldest Son's M class, which had an engine rebuild at 85,000 miles And the diesel engine in the Grand Cherokee is the same one that's in the Mercedes. It's manufactured by a subsidiary in Italy. I don't drive a diesel Grand Cherokee because the cost per mile is less in my 01. I get 18 MPG in the city & 21 MPG on the highway with my in-line 6 cylinder engine. The diesel Grand Cherokee is rated at 21 / 25. Right now, Chrysler offering a lifetime warranty on all Jeep engines, except for the diesel. Why not the diesel? Because they don't expect the same reliability from the engine. Wife works for the company & I asked the right people. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
The Cherokee and Grand Cherokee are 2 vehicles built on 2 platforms. I would not own a Cherokee. The 6 cylinder engine in my Grand Cherokee is one of the best engines Chrysler built. They have records of thousands with over 300,000 miles in the clock. The transmission was Chrysler's weak point in the early 90s, but has not been an issue for years. I lost the transmission in my Grand Cherokee at 155,000 miles and I'm not complaining. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Diesel List" Sent: 12/10/07 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee Other than the reliablity issue which is clearly a disaster you're already getting higher than the rated mileage on your Jeep and so should get higher with the diesel I'd think. I also regularly get higher than the rated both on my 190D and Dakota. In fact I did on my '88 GMC too. I've never driven a Grand Cherokee but my parents had a Cherokee and I hated it, worst 4x4 I've ever driven, my '88 GMC S15 ate it alive in the woods and for mileage and for comfort, and for handling. The 4.0 i6 was a powerful engine though. The folks have a pair of Liberties now and they sure don't impress me. Its not like I don't have anything to compare them to... -Curt Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:01:24 -0600 From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I drive a 01 Grand Cherokee with 170,000 miles on the clock & my Wife drives a 05 Grand Cherokee with 35,000 miles on the clock. Bash if you'd like but the Jeep Grand Cherokee is an excellent vehicle. I can't say the same for my oldest Son's M class, which had an engine rebuild at 85,000 miles And the diesel engine in the Grand Cherokee is the same one that's in the Mercedes. It's manufactured by a subsidiary in Italy. I don't drive a diesel Grand Cherokee because the cost per mile is less in my 01. I get 18 MPG in the city & 21 MPG on the highway with my in-line 6 cylinder engine. The diesel Grand Cherokee is rated at 21 / 25. Right now, Chrysler offering a lifetime warranty on all Jeep engines, except for the diesel. Why not the diesel? Because they don't expect the same reliability from the engine. Wife works for the company & I asked the right people. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
Tom Hargrave wrote: > Right now, Chrysler offering a lifetime warranty on all Jeep engines, except > for the diesel. Why not the diesel? Because they don't expect the same > reliability from the engine. Wife works for the company & I asked the right > people. I can't help but wonder if the biggest problems these engines will have when installed in a Jeep is Chrysler/Jeep techs trying to fix Mercedes engines. Or worse, the Jiffy Lube maintenance regimen to which I suspect most Jeep owners subject their vehicles. It will be interesting to see how they hold up vs those installed in MB vehicles. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
Its the same maintanence schedule and the same service parts. Are you saying that Mercedes techs are better trained? If so then I can share at least one Mercedes horror story. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: "tom savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: 12/10/07 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee Tom Hargrave wrote: > Right now, Chrysler offering a lifetime warranty on all Jeep engines, except > for the diesel. Why not the diesel? Because they don't expect the same > reliability from the engine. Wife works for the company & I asked the right > people. I can't help but wonder if the biggest problems these engines will have when installed in a Jeep is Chrysler/Jeep techs trying to fix Mercedes engines. Or worse, the Jiffy Lube maintenance regimen to which I suspect most Jeep owners subject their vehicles. It will be interesting to see how they hold up vs those installed in MB vehicles. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:51:19 -0600, you wrote: >The Cherokee and Grand Cherokee are 2 vehicles built on 2 platforms. I >would not own a Cherokee. > >The 6 cylinder engine in my Grand Cherokee is one of the best engines >Chrysler built. They have records of thousands with over 300,000 miles >in the clock. > Designed by AMC about 1963, 7 main bearings if my memory serves. Vewry stout. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 19Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 286 KMI Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 87 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
On the way home it occured to me I have driven a Grand Cherokee and as I remember it was much more like my Dakota than the Cherokee. In actual fact I probably remember better the vehicles I disliked rather than the ones I did like. -Curt Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The Cherokee and Grand Cherokee are 2 vehicles built on 2 platforms. I would not own a Cherokee. The 6 cylinder engine in my Grand Cherokee is one of the best engines Chrysler built. They have records of thousands with over 300,000 miles in the clock. The transmission was Chrysler's weak point in the early 90s, but has not been an issue for years. I lost the transmission in my Grand Cherokee at 155,000 miles and I'm not complaining. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: "Curt Raymond" To: "Diesel List" Sent: 12/10/07 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee Other than the reliablity issue which is clearly a disaster you're already getting higher than the rated mileage on your Jeep and so should get higher with the diesel I'd think. I also regularly get higher than the rated both on my 190D and Dakota. In fact I did on my '88 GMC too. I've never driven a Grand Cherokee but my parents had a Cherokee and I hated it, worst 4x4 I've ever driven, my '88 GMC S15 ate it alive in the woods and for mileage and for comfort, and for handling. The 4.0 i6 was a powerful engine though. The folks have a pair of Liberties now and they sure don't impress me. Its not like I don't have anything to compare them to... -Curt Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:01:24 -0600 From: "Tom Hargrave" Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I drive a 01 Grand Cherokee with 170,000 miles on the clock & my Wife drives a 05 Grand Cherokee with 35,000 miles on the clock. Bash if you'd like but the Jeep Grand Cherokee is an excellent vehicle. I can't say the same for my oldest Son's M class, which had an engine rebuild at 85,000 miles And the diesel engine in the Grand Cherokee is the same one that's in the Mercedes. It's manufactured by a subsidiary in Italy. I don't drive a diesel Grand Cherokee because the cost per mile is less in my 01. I get 18 MPG in the city & 21 MPG on the highway with my in-line 6 cylinder engine. The diesel Grand Cherokee is rated at 21 / 25. Right now, Chrysler offering a lifetime warranty on all Jeep engines, except for the diesel. Why not the diesel? Because they don't expect the same reliability from the engine. Wife works for the company & I asked the right people. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
You are 100 percent correct about the engine. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: "Peter T. Arnold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: 12/10/07 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:51:19 -0600, you wrote: >The Cherokee and Grand Cherokee are 2 vehicles built on 2 platforms. I >would not own a Cherokee. > >The 6 cylinder engine in my Grand Cherokee is one of the best engines >Chrysler built. They have records of thousands with over 300,000 miles >in the clock. > Designed by AMC about 1963, 7 main bearings if my memory serves. Vewry stout. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 19Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 286 KMI Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 87 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
actually, if you want to be technical about it, there's at least 3 different versions of Grand Cherokees; the original ZJs, WJs, and the (IIRC) WKs. all of them except for the first half of the first year of the ZJs got the ChryCo trannys, and those early '93 ZJs with the 4.0L straight-6 and AW4 tranny are highly coveted by people in the know. as they progressed, they followed the same path most humans seem to; they became heavier and less capable with an increasing biased taste towards comfort and luxury vs. performance. ;-) frankly, i prefer my XJ Cherokee to any and all of the Grands, but i bought it knowing that it was only a platform on which to build a tool to do what i really wanted to do on roads that may or may not be paved and/or snow covered. it's been very acceptably cost-effective for that and worked amazingly well at it, but hey, i've only put about 220K miles on mine so far,... ;-) cheers! e Tom Hargrave wrote: > The Cherokee and Grand Cherokee are 2 vehicles built on 2 platforms. I > would not own a Cherokee. > > The 6 cylinder engine in my Grand Cherokee is one of the best engines > Chrysler built. They have records of thousands with over 300,000 miles > in the clock. > > The transmission was Chrysler's weak point in the early 90s, but has not > been an issue for years. I lost the transmission in my Grand Cherokee at > 155,000 miles and I'm not complaining. > > Thanks, Tom > 256-656-1924 > > -Original Message- > From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Diesel List" > Sent: 12/10/07 5:30 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee > > > Other than the reliablity issue which is clearly a disaster you're > already getting higher than the rated mileage on your Jeep and so should > get higher with the diesel I'd think. > I also regularly get higher than the rated both on my 190D and Dakota. > In fact I did on my '88 GMC too. > > I've never driven a Grand Cherokee but my parents had a Cherokee and I > hated it, worst 4x4 I've ever driven, my '88 GMC S15 ate it alive in the > woods and for mileage and for comfort, and for handling. The 4.0 i6 was > a powerful engine though. > The folks have a pair of Liberties now and they sure don't impress me. > Its not like I don't have anything to compare them to... > > -Curt > > Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:01:24 -0600 > From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee > To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I drive a 01 Grand Cherokee with 170,000 miles on the clock & my Wife > drives > a 05 Grand Cherokee with 35,000 miles on the clock. Bash if you'd like > but > the Jeep Grand Cherokee is an excellent vehicle. > > I can't say the same for my oldest Son's M class, which had an engine > rebuild at 85,000 miles > > And the diesel engine in the Grand Cherokee is the same one that's in > the > Mercedes. It's manufactured by a subsidiary in Italy. I don't drive a > diesel > Grand Cherokee because the cost per mile is less in my 01. I get 18 MPG > in > the city & 21 MPG on the highway with my in-line 6 cylinder engine. The > diesel Grand Cherokee is rated at 21 / 25. > > Right now, Chrysler offering a lifetime warranty on all Jeep engines, > except > for the diesel. Why not the diesel? Because they don't expect the same > reliability from the engine. Wife works for the company & I asked the > right > people. > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 > > > - > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > Search. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
Each platform has its advantages and I agree that the Cherokee is a superior off road vehicle. But the Grand Cherokee with the inline 6 is a superior highway vehicle. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: "ernest breakfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: 12/10/07 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee actually, if you want to be technical about it, there's at least 3 different versions of Grand Cherokees; the original ZJs, WJs, and the (IIRC) WKs. all of them except for the first half of the first year of the ZJs got the ChryCo trannys, and those early '93 ZJs with the 4.0L straight-6 and AW4 tranny are highly coveted by people in the know. as they progressed, they followed the same path most humans seem to; they became heavier and less capable with an increasing biased taste towards comfort and luxury vs. performance. ;-) frankly, i prefer my XJ Cherokee to any and all of the Grands, but i bought it knowing that it was only a platform on which to build a tool to do what i really wanted to do on roads that may or may not be paved and/or snow covered. it's been very acceptably cost-effective for that and worked amazingly well at it, but hey, i've only put about 220K miles on mine so far,... ;-) cheers! e Tom Hargrave wrote: > The Cherokee and Grand Cherokee are 2 vehicles built on 2 platforms. I > would not own a Cherokee. > > The 6 cylinder engine in my Grand Cherokee is one of the best engines > Chrysler built. They have records of thousands with over 300,000 miles > in the clock. > > The transmission was Chrysler's weak point in the early 90s, but has not > been an issue for years. I lost the transmission in my Grand Cherokee at > 155,000 miles and I'm not complaining. > > Thanks, Tom > 256-656-1924 > > -Original Message- > From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Diesel List" > Sent: 12/10/07 5:30 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee > > > Other than the reliablity issue which is clearly a disaster you're > already getting higher than the rated mileage on your Jeep and so should > get higher with the diesel I'd think. > I also regularly get higher than the rated both on my 190D and Dakota. > In fact I did on my '88 GMC too. > > I've never driven a Grand Cherokee but my parents had a Cherokee and I > hated it, worst 4x4 I've ever driven, my '88 GMC S15 ate it alive in the > woods and for mileage and for comfort, and for handling. The 4.0 i6 was > a powerful engine though. > The folks have a pair of Liberties now and they sure don't impress me. > Its not like I don't have anything to compare them to... > > -Curt > > Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:01:24 -0600 > From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee > To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I drive a 01 Grand Cherokee with 170,000 miles on the clock & my Wife > drives > a 05 Grand Cherokee with 35,000 miles on the clock. Bash if you'd like > but > the Jeep Grand Cherokee is an excellent vehicle. > > I can't say the same for my oldest Son's M class, which had an engine > rebuild at 85,000 miles > > And the diesel engine in the Grand Cherokee is the same one that's in > the > Mercedes. It's manufactured by a subsidiary in Italy. I don't drive a > diesel > Grand Cherokee because the cost per mile is less in my 01. I get 18 MPG > in > the city & 21 MPG on the highway with my in-line 6 cylinder engine. The > diesel Grand Cherokee is rated at 21 / 25. > > Right now, Chrysler offering a lifetime warranty on all Jeep engines, > except > for the diesel. Why not the diesel? Because they don't expect the same > reliability from the engine. Wife works for the company & I asked the > right > people. > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 > > > - > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > Search. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ &g
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
Tom Hargrave wrote: > I drive a 01 Grand Cherokee with 170,000 miles on the clock & my Wife drives > a 05 Grand Cherokee with 35,000 miles on the clock. Bash if you'd like but > the Jeep Grand Cherokee is an excellent vehicle. I don't imagine you payed $50k for yours though... FYI, you can get an '05 E320 CDI in the low 40's upper 30's now. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
i've got the same 4.0 engine in my XJ and the industry-favorite AW-4 trans (as most XJs seem to). i agree that the various Grands are probably a 'nicer' ride on paved highways than the XJs when both are in stock trim. most of the best places our XJ has taken us are not paved, though some of them are still called highways... and i paid $10K less for the XJ when new than what an approximately comparably equipped Grand would have cost at the time. i still don't think there's any good justification for the costs of the Grands, especially for what i wanted one to do; and they've gone quite a long way downhill in usability from what they started out as. while the earlier model Grands had better suspension with 4-corner coils instead of leafs in the rear like the XJ, the latest ones don't even have a pair of solid axles! if i didn't intend to use it in the Great Unpaved, i wouldn't have bought a J**p of any type, as i think there's still other vehicles out there that do a better job of what most people actually need. ;-) oMBZc: were i able to find an early LWB diesel 460 series G-Waggie in proper condition, i wouldn't hesitate a heartbeat to use it to replace both my XJ and my 300D. ;-) cheers! e Tom Hargrave wrote: > Each platform has its advantages and I agree that the Cherokee is a > superior off road vehicle. But the Grand Cherokee with the inline 6 is a > superior highway vehicle. > > Thanks, Tom > 256-656-1924 > > -Original Message- > From: "ernest breakfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: 12/10/07 7:44 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee > > actually, if you want to be technical about it, there's at least 3 > different versions of Grand Cherokees; the original ZJs, WJs, and the > (IIRC) WKs. all of them except for the first half of the first year of > the ZJs got the ChryCo trannys, and those early '93 ZJs with the 4.0L > straight-6 and AW4 tranny are highly coveted by people in the know. as > they progressed, they followed the same path most humans seem to; they > became heavier and less capable with an increasing biased taste towards > comfort and luxury vs. performance. ;-) > > frankly, i prefer my XJ Cherokee to any and all of the Grands, but i > > bought it knowing that it was only a platform on which to build a tool > to do what i really wanted to do on roads that may or may not be paved > and/or snow covered. it's been very acceptably cost-effective for that > and worked amazingly well at it, but hey, i've only put about 220K miles > > on mine so far,... ;-) > > > cheers! > e > > > Tom Hargrave wrote: > >> The Cherokee and Grand Cherokee are 2 vehicles built on 2 platforms. I >> would not own a Cherokee. >> >> The 6 cylinder engine in my Grand Cherokee is one of the best engines >> Chrysler built. They have records of thousands with over 300,000 miles >> in the clock. >> >> The transmission was Chrysler's weak point in the early 90s, but has >> > not > >> been an issue for years. I lost the transmission in my Grand Cherokee >> > at > >> 155,000 miles and I'm not complaining. >> >> Thanks, Tom >> 256-656-1924 >> >> -Original Message- >> From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Diesel List" >> Sent: 12/10/07 5:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee >> >> >> Other than the reliablity issue which is clearly a disaster you're >> already getting higher than the rated mileage on your Jeep and so >> > should > >> get higher with the diesel I'd think. >> I also regularly get higher than the rated both on my 190D and Dakota. >> In fact I did on my '88 GMC too. >> >> I've never driven a Grand Cherokee but my parents had a Cherokee and I >> hated it, worst 4x4 I've ever driven, my '88 GMC S15 ate it alive in >> > the > >> woods and for mileage and for comfort, and for handling. The 4.0 i6 >> > was > >> a powerful engine though. >> The folks have a pair of Liberties now and they sure don't impress me. >> Its not like I don't have anything to compare them to... >> >> -Curt >> >> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:01:24 -0600 >> From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee >> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTE
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
> oMBZc: were i able to find an early LWB diesel 460 series G-Waggie > in proper condition, i wouldn't hesitate a heartbeat to use it to > replace both my XJ and my 300D. ;-) I have lust in my heart for a 463 G300D. A _real_ SUV, but it might actually be halfway economical to feed, and is cushy. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
On Dec 10, 2007, at 6:01 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote: > Right now, Chrysler offering a lifetime warranty on all Jeep > engines, except > for the diesel. Why not the diesel? Because they don't expect the same > reliability from the engine. Wife works for the company & I asked > the right > people. Lifetime warranties are more a marketing ploy than an endorsement of quality. Just like rebates "employee pricing" etc. They probably don't offer it on the diesel because they think they can sell all their stock without it. Hyundai or Kia or one of them offers a 10 year warranty, I think, and it's not because their cars are so good, it's because it's the only way they can get people to buy them. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
A fellow I work with has a '96 or so Cherokee with the 6 cylinder and he loves it. He says he's had the dealer begging him to trade it when he brings it in for service, because they are so desireable. Allan On Dec 10, 2007, at 6:51 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote: > The Cherokee and Grand Cherokee are 2 vehicles built on 2 platforms. I > would not own a Cherokee. > > The 6 cylinder engine in my Grand Cherokee is one of the best engines > Chrysler built. They have records of thousands with over 300,000 miles > in the clock. > > The transmission was Chrysler's weak point in the early 90s, but > has not > been an issue for years. I lost the transmission in my Grand > Cherokee at > 155,000 miles and I'm not complaining. > > Thanks, Tom > 256-656-1924 > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
Wife has one of the later ones with independent 4 wheel suspension, V6 and 4WD. It's great in the snow & ice. I can't even make a wheel spin - I tried! As soon as a wheel breaks loose, the ABS kicks in on that wheel only, transferring the torque to the other three. As you can probably tell, we are "on road" Jeep people, which is why we prefer the Grand Cherokee. When I want to play off road, I borrow a friend's V8 powered XJ5. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ernest breakfield Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:30 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee i've got the same 4.0 engine in my XJ and the industry-favorite AW-4 trans (as most XJs seem to). i agree that the various Grands are probably a 'nicer' ride on paved highways than the XJs when both are in stock trim. most of the best places our XJ has taken us are not paved, though some of them are still called highways... and i paid $10K less for the XJ when new than what an approximately comparably equipped Grand would have cost at the time. i still don't think there's any good justification for the costs of the Grands, especially for what i wanted one to do; and they've gone quite a long way downhill in usability from what they started out as. while the earlier model Grands had better suspension with 4-corner coils instead of leafs in the rear like the XJ, the latest ones don't even have a pair of solid axles! if i didn't intend to use it in the Great Unpaved, i wouldn't have bought a J**p of any type, as i think there's still other vehicles out there that do a better job of what most people actually need. ;-) oMBZc: were i able to find an early LWB diesel 460 series G-Waggie in proper condition, i wouldn't hesitate a heartbeat to use it to replace both my XJ and my 300D. ;-) cheers! e Tom Hargrave wrote: > Each platform has its advantages and I agree that the Cherokee is a > superior off road vehicle. But the Grand Cherokee with the inline 6 is a > superior highway vehicle. > > Thanks, Tom > 256-656-1924 > > -Original Message- > From: "ernest breakfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: 12/10/07 7:44 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee > > actually, if you want to be technical about it, there's at least 3 > different versions of Grand Cherokees; the original ZJs, WJs, and the > (IIRC) WKs. all of them except for the first half of the first year of > the ZJs got the ChryCo trannys, and those early '93 ZJs with the 4.0L > straight-6 and AW4 tranny are highly coveted by people in the know. as > they progressed, they followed the same path most humans seem to; they > became heavier and less capable with an increasing biased taste towards > comfort and luxury vs. performance. ;-) > > frankly, i prefer my XJ Cherokee to any and all of the Grands, but i > > bought it knowing that it was only a platform on which to build a tool > to do what i really wanted to do on roads that may or may not be paved > and/or snow covered. it's been very acceptably cost-effective for that > and worked amazingly well at it, but hey, i've only put about 220K miles > > on mine so far,... ;-) > > > cheers! > e > > > Tom Hargrave wrote: > >> The Cherokee and Grand Cherokee are 2 vehicles built on 2 platforms. I >> would not own a Cherokee. >> >> The 6 cylinder engine in my Grand Cherokee is one of the best engines >> Chrysler built. They have records of thousands with over 300,000 miles >> in the clock. >> >> The transmission was Chrysler's weak point in the early 90s, but has >> > not > >> been an issue for years. I lost the transmission in my Grand Cherokee >> > at > >> 155,000 miles and I'm not complaining. >> >> Thanks, Tom >> 256-656-1924 >> >> -Original Message- >> From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Diesel List" >> Sent: 12/10/07 5:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee >> >> >> Other than the reliablity issue which is clearly a disaster you're >> already getting higher than the rated mileage on your Jeep and so >> > should > >> get higher with the diesel I'd think. >> I also regularly get higher than the rated both on my 190D and Dakota. >> In fact I did on my '88 GMC too. >> >> I've never driven a Grand Cherokee but my pare
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
I believe my Wife paid 32K for the 05 Grand Cherokee after her Chrysler discount. List price was over 39K. It's not a diesel but it does have full time 4WD. She needs 4WD for the Wisconsin winters. I believe She paid about $24,000 for the 01 with her Chrysler discount & it listed somewhere between $28K & $29K. An 05 CDI is still out of my price range, plus I load the 01 Grand Cherokee with 1200 - 1400 of stuff from one of my suppliers every time I visit the "Great White North". The weight drops the height about 6" but the ride is exactly the same. I keep most of the weight in the center, right behind the front seats. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:22 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee Tom Hargrave wrote: > I drive a 01 Grand Cherokee with 170,000 miles on the clock & my Wife drives > a 05 Grand Cherokee with 35,000 miles on the clock. Bash if you'd like but > the Jeep Grand Cherokee is an excellent vehicle. I don't imagine you payed $50k for yours though... FYI, you can get an '05 E320 CDI in the low 40's upper 30's now. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
Not true, the diesels are sitting on the lots because of price. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 9:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee On Dec 10, 2007, at 6:01 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote: > Right now, Chrysler offering a lifetime warranty on all Jeep > engines, except > for the diesel. Why not the diesel? Because they don't expect the same > reliability from the engine. Wife works for the company & I asked > the right > people. Lifetime warranties are more a marketing ploy than an endorsement of quality. Just like rebates "employee pricing" etc. They probably don't offer it on the diesel because they think they can sell all their stock without it. Hyundai or Kia or one of them offers a 10 year warranty, I think, and it's not because their cars are so good, it's because it's the only way they can get people to buy them. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
Really? That surprises me, I know last time I asked at the VW dealer about a TDI the salesman just started laughing and said yeah, I could get one if I wanted to wait six months. I just assumed that the number of diesel cherokees at any given dealer would be far below the demand for them. Allan On Dec 10, 2007, at 10:15 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote: > Not true, the diesels are sitting on the lots because of price. > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mercedes- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Allan Streib > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 9:00 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee > > On Dec 10, 2007, at 6:01 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote: > >> Right now, Chrysler offering a lifetime warranty on all Jeep >> engines, except >> for the diesel. Why not the diesel? Because they don't expect the >> same >> reliability from the engine. Wife works for the company & I asked >> the right >> people. > > Lifetime warranties are more a marketing ploy than an endorsement of > quality. Just like rebates "employee pricing" etc. They probably > don't offer it on the diesel because they think they can sell all > their stock without it. > > Hyundai or Kia or one of them offers a 10 year warranty, I think, and > it's not because their cars are so good, it's because it's the only > way they can get people to buy them. > > Allan > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
There have been 2 sitting in the local lot for months. The issue is that the V6 costs about the same per mile to drive because of the difference in cost between 87 octane gas and diesel. The TDI is a totally different situation. It's mileage is high enough to justify the cost. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 9:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee Really? That surprises me, I know last time I asked at the VW dealer about a TDI the salesman just started laughing and said yeah, I could get one if I wanted to wait six months. I just assumed that the number of diesel cherokees at any given dealer would be far below the demand for them. Allan On Dec 10, 2007, at 10:15 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote: > Not true, the diesels are sitting on the lots because of price. > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mercedes- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Allan Streib > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 9:00 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee > > On Dec 10, 2007, at 6:01 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote: > >> Right now, Chrysler offering a lifetime warranty on all Jeep >> engines, except >> for the diesel. Why not the diesel? Because they don't expect the >> same >> reliability from the engine. Wife works for the company & I asked >> the right >> people. > > Lifetime warranties are more a marketing ploy than an endorsement of > quality. Just like rebates "employee pricing" etc. They probably > don't offer it on the diesel because they think they can sell all > their stock without it. > > Hyundai or Kia or one of them offers a 10 year warranty, I think, and > it's not because their cars are so good, it's because it's the only > way they can get people to buy them. > > Allan > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
They probably don't offer it on the diesel because they think they can sell all their stock without it. That's 100% true. When I bought the '07 Dodge Diesel pickup, the salesman basically told me that they were selling well enough on their own without the lifetime warranty gimic. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300Sd 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
Kevin Kraly wrote: > > When I bought the '07 Dodge Diesel pickup, the salesman > basically told me that they were selling well enough on their own without > the lifetime warranty gimic. I never consult salesmen for expert opinions on vehicles, or even corporate marketing strategy. I suspect the real reason is that they don't expect people to keep the gassers long enough to wear out the engines, and the ones who do they intend to ignore until they give up and sell the car. I have experience with the "ignore the customer and hope he goes away" strategy with a lifetime rustproofing warranty claim from Chrysler. Does anybody have a workable strategy for getting Chrysler to honor a lifetime warranty without suing them? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
I sued in small claim's court. Paint (silver) was flaking off my '92 Dakota, judgement was $1200 for me. Pete -- Original message -- From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Kevin Kraly wrote: > > > > When I bought the '07 Dodge Diesel pickup, the salesman > > basically told me that they were selling well enough on their own without > > the lifetime warranty gimic. > > I never consult salesmen for expert opinions on vehicles, or even > corporate marketing strategy. I suspect the real reason is that > they don't expect people to keep the gassers long enough to wear > out the engines, and the ones who do they intend to ignore until > they give up and sell the car. I have experience with the "ignore > the customer and hope he goes away" strategy with a lifetime > rustproofing warranty claim from Chrysler. > > Does anybody have a workable strategy for getting Chrysler to > honor a lifetime warranty without suing them? > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
I got the same reaction when asking about a diesel Liberty. The difference was Jeep made like 4,000 of them a year. The VWs appeal to a very different set of people. I still wish Jeep would make the Gladiator conecpt they rolled out a few years ago. -Curt Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:26:29 -0500 From: Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Really? That surprises me, I know last time I asked at the VW dealer about a TDI the salesman just started laughing and said yeah, I could get one if I wanted to wait six months. I just assumed that the number of diesel cherokees at any given dealer would be far below the demand for them. Allan - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
Wait, that got my attention. My '96 Dakota has a largeish area where the paint is flaking off... Whats the scoop? -Curt Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:32:52 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain I sued in small claim's court. Paint (silver) was flaking off my '92 Dakota, judgement was $1200 for me. Pete -- Original message -- From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Kevin Kraly wrote: > > > > When I bought the '07 Dodge Diesel pickup, the salesman > > basically told me that they were selling well enough on their own without > > the lifetime warranty gimic. > > I never consult salesmen for expert opinions on vehicles, or even > corporate marketing strategy. I suspect the real reason is that > they don't expect people to keep the gassers long enough to wear > out the engines, and the ones who do they intend to ignore until > they give up and sell the car. I have experience with the "ignore > the customer and hope he goes away" strategy with a lifetime > rustproofing warranty claim from Chrysler. > > Does anybody have a workable strategy for getting Chrysler to > honor a lifetime warranty without suing them? > > Mitch. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
I have not read all of the posts in regard to this subject so forgive me if I'm way off the topic here. Don't know what is available in the US but I note that there are ads in the paper here this morning for new Grand Cherokees with an MB diesel engine. About $45K if my memory is correct. Randy in Winnipeg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
If you find a pair, I would really like one too. SWMBA is pushing for oldest boy to take drivers ed this summer, which means Gump is going to be his to drive and I will need a ride. clay On 10 Dec 2007, at 18:37, Jim Cathey wrote: >> oMBZc: were i able to find an early LWB diesel 460 series G- >> Waggie >> in proper condition, i wouldn't hesitate a heartbeat to use it to >> replace both my XJ and my 300D. ;-) > > I have lust in my heart for a 463 G300D. A _real_ SUV, but it > might actually be halfway economical to feed, and is cushy. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee/Autoweek comments
In a message dated 12/10/2007 8:13:03 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: An 05 CDI is still out of my price range, plus I load the 01 Grand Cherokee with 1200 - 1400 of stuff from one of my suppliers every time I visit the "Great White North". The weight drops the height about 6" but the ride is exactly the same. I keep most of the weight in the center, right behind the front seats. The BELOW info was taken from an Autoweek report and blog 2007 JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE OVERLAND CRD AS-TESTED PRICE: $45,910 DRIVETRAIN: 3.0-liter turbodiesel V6; 4wd, five-speed automatic OUTPUT: 215 hp @ 3800 rpm, 376 lb-ft @ 1600-2800 rpm CURB WEIGHT: 4804 lb FUEL ECONOMY (EPA/AW): 22/19.8 mpg OPTIONS: Customer-preferred package, including 3.0-liter turbodiesel V6 engine, 22-gallon fuel tank, engine-block heater ($2,010); P245/65R-17 OWL all-terrain tires ($190) OUR TAKE: We freaked out when we saw the sticker on this vehicle. Mercedes-Benz’s ML320 CDI starts at $44,500, which begs the question: Why on earth would anyone pay more for a Jeep than a Benz? The diesel-powered Jeep can be had in a lesser, Limited trim, but that’s still a $38,000 vehicle with no options. We think the Grand Cherokee should top-out at that price, fully loaded. The good news is this _diesel engine_ (http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200770705001#) is identical to the one found under the hood of any Benz with a 320 CDI. The only real difference between the powertrains is the transmission found in the Benz has two extra gears. It’s a torquey thing, too, this engine. There’s good pulling power at any rev, and once under way, the clackety-clack fades away. The rest is typical Grand Cherokee: A tough-feeling truck with a sub-par—at least materials-wise— interior. But most on staff wished for the ML instead of this Grand Cherokee. Sure, the $6,000 price differential is a lot to consumers, but nearly everything in the Benz is near ideal, and the only ideal thing in this Jeep is the engine. We also wished for a bit better _fuel economy_ (http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200770705001#) ; we expected real-world figures closer to 23-24 mpg instead of the 19.8 we found. This article was last updated on: 07/05/07, 09:46 et I have a 2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited 3.0 liter CRD Turbo-Diesel and I am extremely pleasedwith its performance. It is my first diesel-powered vehicle. It has excellent acceleration, great torque (376 foot-pounds) and highway fuel economy, on a 3,000 mile trip, @ 24.4 mpg (at 70-80 mph). I only paid $37K fully equipped or $8K less than the Benz ML-320. So, the interior is $8K less fancy than the Benz. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 152 K miles **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
