Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>>Then Cuomo needs to be brought up on charges for seeding Covid into the 
>>nursing homes.

>I do not understand why he did that.

I already answered that.

There. Is. No. Rule. Of. Law.

Said another way, because he can.

Statistics is numbers. If you need statistics for a certain purpose, you do 
what you need to do to make the numbers.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Yes that is a better summary. Thanks.


Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:

> Not just 'what is required' which sounds like emergency management (which
> should carry a 30 day time limit IMO).
> He enacted criminal statute by way of executive fiat when he declared that
> failure to wear a mask in public was a more serious crime than DUI. You
> can't be convicted of a misdemeanor unless the legislature has made it a
> misdemeanor, at least not in a free country.
> Mitch.
>
> On Thu, July 23, 2020 10:37 pm, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> The Indiana Attorney General has objected to the Governor's recent
>> state-wide mask order, his argument is that that 4 months into the "crisis"
>> the legislature should be the governmental body that decides what is
>> required of its citizens.
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On Thu, July 23, 2020 9:23 pm, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> Not really, they only have 78,000 cases in a country of 10 million.

Michigan is a country of 10 million. 73,000 cases confirmed, plus about
8000 probables, highly concentrated in 3 counties surrounding Detroit.

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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Not just 'what is required' which sounds like emergency management (which
should carry a 30 day time limit IMO).
He enacted criminal statute by way of executive fiat when he declared that
failure to wear a mask in public was a more serious crime than DUI. You
can't be convicted of a misdemeanor unless the legislature has made it a
misdemeanor, at least not in a free country.
Mitch.

On Thu, July 23, 2020 10:37 pm, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> The Indiana Attorney General has objected to the Governor's recent
> state-wide mask order, his argument is that that 4 months into the "crisis"
> the legislature should be the governmental body that decides what is
> required of its citizens.


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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

The Indiana Attorney General has objected to the Governor's recent
state-wide mask order, his argument is that that 4 months into the
"crisis" the legislature should be the governmental body that decides
what is required of its citizens.

Allan


Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:

>  He's a Democrat though, they can, apparently anyway, do no wrong.
> My sister-in-law's friend recently got a $500+ ticket for trying to go to the 
> beach in Maine without quarantining for 14 days first. The quarantine is 
> under an executive order from the government. I've yet to find a place in the 
> Constitution that allows for that.
> -Curt
>
> On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 8:40:17 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
>  
>  >A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and >gets infected, then 
> they go home and unknowingly >infect their elderly parents who die, is that 
> murder? >Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?
>
>
> Then Cuomo needs to be brought up on charges for seeding Covid into the 
> nursing homes. The statistics were known at the time that the elderly and 
> those with comorbidities were at extreme risk. In a just society, that is 
> mass murder. There. Is. No. Rule. Of. Law.
>
> Rick
>

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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

This is a visual description of how electrostatic masks work.

https://blogs.cdc.gov/niosh-science-blog/2009/10/14/n95/


On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 18:40:23 -0700
Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes  wrote:

> Kaleb that is totally untrue. The masks work through electrostatic charges.
> They are not a sieve.
> 
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 6:37 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > It all comes down to this. What size is the virus? What micron rating is
> > the mast?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:35 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Even if airborn, you wearing a mask dramtically reduces my chances of
> > > getting it from you.
> > >
> > >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Perhaps. Seems logical a large group will spread things. Is the virus
> > >> airborne or not? We still don’t know. If it is, masks are a total and
> > >> complete waste of time. We would need to be wearing gas masks or
> > something.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> >  On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Curt Raymond 
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> 
> > >>> Incorrect, mask wearing can reduce transmission unless you're an idiot.
> > >> If you insist on going to bars and clubs you're almost certainly going
> > to
> > >> get infected.
> > >>>
> > >>> A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and gets infected,
> > then
> > >> they go home and unknowingly infect their elderly parents who die, is
> > that
> > >> murder? Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?
> > >>>
> > >>> -Curt
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 7:47:00 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via
> > Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> So long story short mask wearing is not going to solve anything and
> > >>> those at high risk should isolate at home.
> > >>>
> > >>> On 7/23/2020 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >  Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions and
> > >> will be seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several
> > reasons
> > >> why cases have increased, most related to behavior. My friends in LA
> > tell
> > >> me that almost nobody is wearing masks and bars have reopened with few
> > >> restrictions...
> >  Curt
> > 
> >  Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > 
> >    On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes<
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:  Or could it be the masks are actually
> > >> leading to increased cases? This could be due to the fact that masks are
> > >> trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or maybe the masks are
> > >> creating a false sense of security?
> > 
> >  Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > > On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask
> > >> wearing started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing
> > and
> > >> death rate too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
> > >
> > > Max Dillon
> > > Charleston SC
> > >
> > > Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> > >
> > >> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> > >> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since
> > >> social
> > >> distancing and masks.
> > >>
> > >>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas
> > >> where
> > >>> it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to
> > >> spread
> > >>> faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then
> > >> fiddle with
> > >>> and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the
> > >> mask
> > >>> then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might
> > >> not be
> > >>> spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of
> > >> other
> > >>> things that normally would it be spread like this.
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>
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> > >> OK Don
> > >>
> > >> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time
> > >> to
> > >> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> > >>
> > >> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am
> > >> doing.”  Wernher
> > >> Von Braun
> > >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > >> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> > 

Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I  have heard it said breathing thru your nose provides about as much 
natural filtration as most of these mask do.  Breathing thru your mouth 
sucks more of it in.


On 7/23/2020 9:29 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

I find that when I wear a mask I tend to breath through my mouth, which
is worse for filtering out contaminants.

I am a nose-breather otherwise, unless I'm doing something strenuous and
need to move larger volumes of air.

If I'm wearing a mask I have to contentrate on deliberately breathing
through my nose.

Allan

Meade Dillon via Mercedes  writes:


I watched about the first 20 minutes, the first speaker went full $5 word
mode, and it was getting pretty hard for me to follow.  It sounded like he
was saying that the virus can infect a person via mouth, nose, eyes, and
throat and lungs.  Wearing a mask that increases a person's tendency to
touch their face seems counterproductive to me.  There is also no standard
for the mask type, and no training and no enforcement.  I see lots of
people that wear the mask so it covers their mouth but not their nose.  And
then there are the people wearing balaclavas and bandannas like they are
playing cowboys and Indians.  Lady I met the other day was making her own
masks out of panty hose or something, so they had some color to them but
did not impede breathing and make her glasses fog up, basically just mesh.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 9:34 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Did anybody watch the video I sent a link to this AM? I get it if people
dont have time but it addresses many of these questions.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 1:29 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


The problem is we do not know if they help to contain the virus. They say
they think it might be spread by droplets from coughing etc. A report

then

came out that it might be airborne. First we need to figure that out.

Next,

what size is the virus? What micron rating are the masks?  So far these

are

things we have not been told, or are not known. If I missed it somebody
please post that study.


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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I find that when I wear a mask I tend to breath through my mouth, which
is worse for filtering out contaminants.

I am a nose-breather otherwise, unless I'm doing something strenuous and
need to move larger volumes of air.

If I'm wearing a mask I have to contentrate on deliberately breathing
through my nose.

Allan

Meade Dillon via Mercedes  writes:

> I watched about the first 20 minutes, the first speaker went full $5 word
> mode, and it was getting pretty hard for me to follow.  It sounded like he
> was saying that the virus can infect a person via mouth, nose, eyes, and
> throat and lungs.  Wearing a mask that increases a person's tendency to
> touch their face seems counterproductive to me.  There is also no standard
> for the mask type, and no training and no enforcement.  I see lots of
> people that wear the mask so it covers their mouth but not their nose.  And
> then there are the people wearing balaclavas and bandannas like they are
> playing cowboys and Indians.  Lady I met the other day was making her own
> masks out of panty hose or something, so they had some color to them but
> did not impede breathing and make her glasses fog up, basically just mesh.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 9:34 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Did anybody watch the video I sent a link to this AM? I get it if people
>> dont have time but it addresses many of these questions.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 1:29 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > The problem is we do not know if they help to contain the virus. They say
>> > they think it might be spread by droplets from coughing etc. A report
>> then
>> > came out that it might be airborne. First we need to figure that out.
>> Next,
>> > what size is the virus? What micron rating are the masks?  So far these
>> are
>> > things we have not been told, or are not known. If I missed it somebody
>> > please post that study.
>> >
>>

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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

If it is transmitted by droplets, they droplets hold the virus. If it is 
airborn, the virus does not require droplets to carry it, it is carried 
in the air.  Here are a couple of articles that explain the different 
and precautions needed for each.  Although the one article talks about 
it is known that Covid is carried in droplets, I do not believe that has 
been determined.


https://www.cdc.gov/infectioncontrol/basics/transmission-based-precautions.html

https://fprehab.com/2020/04/10/understanding-the-difference-between-airborne-and-droplet-precautions/

On 7/23/2020 8:19 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Its a respiratory illness, of course its airborne. Think about the 
word: air, meaning that stuff all around us, borne, meaning carried 
upon. The virus gets carried upon the air when people cough or sneeze. 
It also gets transmitted by being wiped on things. There might even be 
other ways we don't know about yet.


Also, a respiratory illness will be transmitted through the mouth and 
nose, covering them up will slow (but Phillip is right it won't 
prevent or stop) transmission.


-Curt

On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 8:30:59 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via 
Mercedes  wrote:



Perhaps. Seems logical a large group will spread things. Is the virus 
airborne or not? We still don’t know. If it is, masks are a total and 
complete waste of time. We would need to be wearing gas masks or 
something.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Curt Raymond > wrote:

>
> 
> Incorrect, mask wearing can reduce transmission unless you're an 
idiot. If you insist on going to bars and clubs you're almost 
certainly going to get infected.

>
> A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and gets infected, 
then they go home and unknowingly infect their elderly parents who 
die, is that murder? Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?

>
> -Curt
>
> On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 7:47:00 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via 
Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

>
>
> So long story short mask wearing is not going to solve anything and
> those at high risk should isolate at home.
>
> On 7/23/2020 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions 
and will be seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several 
reasons why cases have increased, most related to behavior. My friends 
in LA tell me that almost nobody is wearing masks and bars have 
reopened with few restrictions...

> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> >    On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via 
Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:  
Or could it be the masks are actually leading to increased cases? This 
could be due to the fact that masks are trapping crap that you are 
then breathing in. Or maybe the masks are creating a false sense of 
security?

> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

> >>
> >> Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando 
Mask wearing started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still 
climbing and death rate too. Masks alone are not the answer.

> >>
> >> Max Dillon
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >> Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>:

> >>
> >>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> >>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down 
since social

> >>> distancing and masks.
> >>>
>  On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> 
>  After traveling by air last week and spending this week in 
Arkansas where
>  it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death 
to spread
>  faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then 
fiddle with
>  and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with 
the mask
>  then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this 
might not be
>  spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of 
other

>  things that normally would it be spread like this.
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
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> >>> --
> >>> OK Don
> >>>
> >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is 
time to

> >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >>>
> >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am 
doing.”  Wernher

> >>> Von Braun
> >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> >>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!

>
> >>> 

Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I mean, Belgium has the highest death rate period. I've wondered about that 
for a while now, it seems a curious number.
-Curt

On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 9:38:06 PM EDT, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Sweden's death rate has been in steady decline, now down to about 10 people
per day, from a high of 100 per day.  I'd say their approach is looking
like it worked out just fine.  Compare them to Belgium, which went the full
lock-down route, and it is clear that lock-down vs. no lock-down does not
seem to change how the Wuhan Red Death moves through the population, but
the economic impacts are sure different.  Belgium had a peak of 300 per
day, and is also now down to about 2 per day.  Note that Sweden and Belgium
have very similar size populations.  Rather than blindly accepting what
they put on the evening news, I like to check some facts for myself, there
are plenty of websites that have tracking numbers.  I like this one:
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/26/covid-19-tracker/

-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 8:34 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Sweden has shown that herd immunity is not working.
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:09 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Reaching herd immunity before the rest of us?
> > Mitch.
> >
>
> --
> OK Don
>
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
> Wernher
> Von Braun
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I watched about the first 20 minutes, the first speaker went full $5 word
mode, and it was getting pretty hard for me to follow.  It sounded like he
was saying that the virus can infect a person via mouth, nose, eyes, and
throat and lungs.  Wearing a mask that increases a person's tendency to
touch their face seems counterproductive to me.  There is also no standard
for the mask type, and no training and no enforcement.  I see lots of
people that wear the mask so it covers their mouth but not their nose.  And
then there are the people wearing balaclavas and bandannas like they are
playing cowboys and Indians.  Lady I met the other day was making her own
masks out of panty hose or something, so they had some color to them but
did not impede breathing and make her glasses fog up, basically just mesh.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 9:34 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Did anybody watch the video I sent a link to this AM? I get it if people
> dont have time but it addresses many of these questions.
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 1:29 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > The problem is we do not know if they help to contain the virus. They say
> > they think it might be spread by droplets from coughing etc. A report
> then
> > came out that it might be airborne. First we need to figure that out.
> Next,
> > what size is the virus? What micron rating are the masks?  So far these
> are
> > things we have not been told, or are not known. If I missed it somebody
> > please post that study.
> >
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 You're still missing the point, the mask isn't there to filter the virus out, 
we know thats too hard. Gads, if people complain about breathing through a 
simple cloth mask I can't imagine how they'd complain if it was actually 
filtering.
The mask slows down your breath, it keeps your spew circle smaller to protect 
others. Its not 100%, nobody with a brain is claiming its 100%. The point is to 
reduce transmission.
Your circular argument is aggravating. I'm pretty sure you've just made up your 
mind and lined up your talking points and don't read anything anybody else 
writes. You certainly don't respond with anything new. Its kind of like arguing 
with Andrew although you at least respond to the right message.

-Curt

On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 9:37:37 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 It all comes down to this. What size is the virus? What micron rating is the 
mast? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:35 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Even if airborn, you wearing a mask dramtically reduces my chances of
> getting it from you.
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Perhaps. Seems logical a large group will spread things. Is the virus
>> airborne or not? We still don’t know. If it is, masks are a total and
>> complete waste of time. We would need to be wearing gas masks or something.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Incorrect, mask wearing can reduce transmission unless you're an idiot.
>> If you insist on going to bars and clubs you're almost certainly going to
>> get infected.
>>> 
>>> A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and gets infected, then
>> they go home and unknowingly infect their elderly parents who die, is that
>> murder? Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 7:47:00 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So long story short mask wearing is not going to solve anything and
>>> those at high risk should isolate at home.
>>> 
>>> On 7/23/2020 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
 Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions and
>> will be seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several reasons
>> why cases have increased, most related to behavior. My friends in LA tell
>> me that almost nobody is wearing masks and bars have reopened with few
>> restrictions...
 Curt
 
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
 
  On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes<
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:  Or could it be the masks are actually
>> leading to increased cases? This could be due to the fact that masks are
>> trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or maybe the masks are
>> creating a false sense of security?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask
>> wearing started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and
>> death rate too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> 
>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since
>> social
>> distancing and masks.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas
>> where
>>> it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to
>> spread
>>> faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then
>> fiddle with
>>> and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the
>> mask
>>> then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might
>> not be
>>> spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of
>> other
>>> things that normally would it be spread like this.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> ___
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>>> 
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>>> 
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>> --
>> OK Don
>> 
>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time
>> to
>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> 
>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am
>> doing.”  Wernher
>> Von Braun
>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
>>> 
>> 

Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Kaleb that is totally untrue. The masks work through electrostatic charges.
They are not a sieve.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 6:37 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It all comes down to this. What size is the virus? What micron rating is
> the mast?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:35 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Even if airborn, you wearing a mask dramtically reduces my chances of
> > getting it from you.
> >
> >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Perhaps. Seems logical a large group will spread things. Is the virus
> >> airborne or not? We still don’t know. If it is, masks are a total and
> >> complete waste of time. We would need to be wearing gas masks or
> something.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
>  On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Curt Raymond 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>> Incorrect, mask wearing can reduce transmission unless you're an idiot.
> >> If you insist on going to bars and clubs you're almost certainly going
> to
> >> get infected.
> >>>
> >>> A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and gets infected,
> then
> >> they go home and unknowingly infect their elderly parents who die, is
> that
> >> murder? Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?
> >>>
> >>> -Curt
> >>>
> >>> On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 7:47:00 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via
> Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So long story short mask wearing is not going to solve anything and
> >>> those at high risk should isolate at home.
> >>>
> >>> On 7/23/2020 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>  Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions and
> >> will be seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several
> reasons
> >> why cases have increased, most related to behavior. My friends in LA
> tell
> >> me that almost nobody is wearing masks and bars have reopened with few
> >> restrictions...
>  Curt
> 
>  Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
>    On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes<
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:  Or could it be the masks are actually
> >> leading to increased cases? This could be due to the fact that masks are
> >> trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or maybe the masks are
> >> creating a false sense of security?
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask
> >> wearing started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing
> and
> >> death rate too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
> >
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> >
> >> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> >> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since
> >> social
> >> distancing and masks.
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas
> >> where
> >>> it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to
> >> spread
> >>> faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then
> >> fiddle with
> >>> and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the
> >> mask
> >>> then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might
> >> not be
> >>> spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of
> >> other
> >>> things that normally would it be spread like this.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> ___
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> >>>
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> >>>
> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
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> >>>
> >> --
> >> OK Don
> >>
> >> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time
> >> to
> >> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >>
> >> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am
> >> doing.”  Wernher
> >> Von Braun
> >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> >> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> >> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
> >>>
> >> ___
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> >>
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> >
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I do not understand why he did that. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:40 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and >gets infected, then 
>> they go home and unknowingly >infect their elderly parents who die, is that 
>> murder? >Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?
> 
> 
> Then Cuomo needs to be brought up on charges for seeding Covid into the 
> nursing homes. The statistics were known at the time that the elderly and 
> those with comorbidities were at extreme risk. In a just society, that is 
> mass murder. There. Is. No. Rule. Of. Law.
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of OK Don via 
> Mercedes 
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 7:34:23 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: OK Don 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing
> 
> Even if airborn, you wearing a mask dramtically reduces my chances of
> getting it from you.
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Perhaps. Seems logical a large group will spread things. Is the virus
>> airborne or not? We still don’t know. If it is, masks are a total and
>> complete waste of time. We would need to be wearing gas masks or something.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Incorrect, mask wearing can reduce transmission unless you're an idiot.
>> If you insist on going to bars and clubs you're almost certainly going to
>> get infected.
>>> 
>>> A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and gets infected, then
>> they go home and unknowingly infect their elderly parents who die, is that
>> murder? Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 7:47:00 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So long story short mask wearing is not going to solve anything and
>>> those at high risk should isolate at home.
>>> 
>>> On 7/23/2020 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions and
>> will be seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several reasons
>> why cases have increased, most related to behavior. My friends in LA tell
>> me that almost nobody is wearing masks and bars have reopened with few
>> restrictions...
>>>> Curt
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>> 
>>>>   On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes<
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:  Or could it be the masks are actually
>> leading to increased cases? This could be due to the fact that masks are
>> trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or maybe the masks are
>> creating a false sense of security?
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask
>> wearing started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and
>> death rate too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Max Dillon
>>>>> Charleston SC
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
>>>>>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since
>> social
>>>>>> distancing and masks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas
>> where
>>>>>>> it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to
>> spread
>>>>>>> faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then
>> fiddle with
>>>>>>> and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the
>> mask
>>>>>>> then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might
>> not be
>>>>>>> spreading red death but is a

Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I hate those kind of videos, if somebody can't be bothered to write it down I 
don't care.
-Curt

On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 9:34:41 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Did anybody watch the video I sent a link to this AM? I get it if people
dont have time but it addresses many of these questions.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 1:29 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The problem is we do not know if they help to contain the virus. They say
> they think it might be spread by droplets from coughing etc. A report then
> came out that it might be airborne. First we need to figure that out. Next,
> what size is the virus? What micron rating are the masks?  So far these are
> things we have not been told, or are not known. If I missed it somebody
> please post that study.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 23, 2020, at 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Sanitizing maybe, my pet theory is that the "otherwise healthy", young,
> strong people who are dying or really suffering with COVID are also the
> people who are excessively clean. I'm thinking that germophobes don't build
> as strong immune systems.
> >
> > If you're just staying away from other people you're still experiencing
> a whole world of germs.
> >
> > And for the last time THE MASK DOESN'T KEEP GERMS OUT. Wearing one won't
> compromise your immune system because it doesn't filter germs out, it keeps
> your germs on your face and away from me.
> >
> > The pee metaphor is apt, if some dude is peeing and neither of you is
> wearing pants you're at high risk of getting pee on you. If you're wearing
> pants you get a tiny amount of protection but you're probably still going
> to get pee on you. If he's wearing pants you get way more protection. The
> pants don't stop the pee completely but they seriously slow the stream.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 3:07:26 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Not days. Months or years of isolating, masking, and sanitizing might do
> it though.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:50 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >  Yeah, the idea that your body will lose its ability to fight off
> regular colds "within days" that some are saying is the pretty dumb. You're
> still experiencing other infectious agents, theres not really any practical
> way to not...
> > > -Curt
> > >
> > >    On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 1:47:42 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via
> Mercedes  wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry but that is total crapola. Wear the damn mask. Protect others,
> protect yourself. Contain this virus and let’s move on!
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> They your body loses the ability to fight common colds and flus then
> the deaths go up from that.
> > >>
> > >> All of these places are giving you new disposable cups for refill,
> everything in styrofoam to go boxes, disposable menus, utensils. I bet the
> amount of trash and pollution for all of this is unbelievable.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> >  On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> > >>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since
> social
> > >>> distancing and masks.
> > >>>
> >  On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> >  After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas
> where
> >  it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to
> spread
> >  faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then
> fiddle with
> >  and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the
> mask
> >  then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might
> not be
> >  spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of
> other
> >  things that normally would it be spread like this.
> > 
> >  Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >  ___
> >  http://www.okiebenz.com
> > 
> >  To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> > 
> >  To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> >  http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> > 
> > 
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> OK Don
> > >>>
> > >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time
> to
> > >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> > >>>
> > >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am
> doing.”  Wernher
> > >>> Von Braun
> > >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > >>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> > >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
> > >>> ___
> > >>> 

Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

It all comes down to this. What size is the virus? What micron rating is the 
mast? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:35 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Even if airborn, you wearing a mask dramtically reduces my chances of
> getting it from you.
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Perhaps. Seems logical a large group will spread things. Is the virus
>> airborne or not? We still don’t know. If it is, masks are a total and
>> complete waste of time. We would need to be wearing gas masks or something.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Incorrect, mask wearing can reduce transmission unless you're an idiot.
>> If you insist on going to bars and clubs you're almost certainly going to
>> get infected.
>>> 
>>> A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and gets infected, then
>> they go home and unknowingly infect their elderly parents who die, is that
>> murder? Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 7:47:00 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So long story short mask wearing is not going to solve anything and
>>> those at high risk should isolate at home.
>>> 
>>> On 7/23/2020 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
 Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions and
>> will be seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several reasons
>> why cases have increased, most related to behavior. My friends in LA tell
>> me that almost nobody is wearing masks and bars have reopened with few
>> restrictions...
 Curt
 
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
 
   On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes<
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:  Or could it be the masks are actually
>> leading to increased cases? This could be due to the fact that masks are
>> trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or maybe the masks are
>> creating a false sense of security?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask
>> wearing started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and
>> death rate too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> 
>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since
>> social
>> distancing and masks.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas
>> where
>>> it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to
>> spread
>>> faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then
>> fiddle with
>>> and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the
>> mask
>>> then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might
>> not be
>>> spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of
>> other
>>> things that normally would it be spread like this.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> ___
>>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>>> 
>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>>> 
>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>>> 
>> --
>> OK Don
>> 
>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time
>> to
>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> 
>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am
>> doing.”  Wernher
>> Von Braun
>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
>>> 
>> ___
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>> 
>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>> 
>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
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>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Sweden's death rate has been in steady decline, now down to about 10 people
per day, from a high of 100 per day.  I'd say their approach is looking
like it worked out just fine.  Compare them to Belgium, which went the full
lock-down route, and it is clear that lock-down vs. no lock-down does not
seem to change how the Wuhan Red Death moves through the population, but
the economic impacts are sure different.  Belgium had a peak of 300 per
day, and is also now down to about 2 per day.  Note that Sweden and Belgium
have very similar size populations.  Rather than blindly accepting what
they put on the evening news, I like to check some facts for myself, there
are plenty of websites that have tracking numbers.  I like this one:
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/26/covid-19-tracker/

-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 8:34 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Sweden has shown that herd immunity is not working.
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:09 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Reaching herd immunity before the rest of us?
> > Mitch.
> >
>
> --
> OK Don
>
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
> Wernher
> Von Braun
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
>
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>
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

How long does it take to reach here immunity?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:34 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Sweden has shown that herd immunity is not working.
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:09 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Reaching herd immunity before the rest of us?
>> Mitch.
>> 
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Wernher
> Von Braun
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
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> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Did anybody watch the video I sent a link to this AM? I get it if people
dont have time but it addresses many of these questions.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 1:29 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The problem is we do not know if they help to contain the virus. They say
> they think it might be spread by droplets from coughing etc. A report then
> came out that it might be airborne. First we need to figure that out. Next,
> what size is the virus? What micron rating are the masks?  So far these are
> things we have not been told, or are not known. If I missed it somebody
> please post that study.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 23, 2020, at 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Sanitizing maybe, my pet theory is that the "otherwise healthy", young,
> strong people who are dying or really suffering with COVID are also the
> people who are excessively clean. I'm thinking that germophobes don't build
> as strong immune systems.
> >
> > If you're just staying away from other people you're still experiencing
> a whole world of germs.
> >
> > And for the last time THE MASK DOESN'T KEEP GERMS OUT. Wearing one won't
> compromise your immune system because it doesn't filter germs out, it keeps
> your germs on your face and away from me.
> >
> > The pee metaphor is apt, if some dude is peeing and neither of you is
> wearing pants you're at high risk of getting pee on you. If you're wearing
> pants you get a tiny amount of protection but you're probably still going
> to get pee on you. If he's wearing pants you get way more protection. The
> pants don't stop the pee completely but they seriously slow the stream.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 3:07:26 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Not days. Months or years of isolating, masking, and sanitizing might do
> it though.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:50 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >  Yeah, the idea that your body will lose its ability to fight off
> regular colds "within days" that some are saying is the pretty dumb. You're
> still experiencing other infectious agents, theres not really any practical
> way to not...
> > > -Curt
> > >
> > >On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 1:47:42 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via
> Mercedes  wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry but that is total crapola. Wear the damn mask. Protect others,
> protect yourself. Contain this virus and let’s move on!
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> They your body loses the ability to fight common colds and flus then
> the deaths go up from that.
> > >>
> > >> All of these places are giving you new disposable cups for refill,
> everything in styrofoam to go boxes, disposable menus, utensils. I bet the
> amount of trash and pollution for all of this is unbelievable.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> >  On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> > >>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since
> social
> > >>> distancing and masks.
> > >>>
> >  On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> >  After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas
> where
> >  it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to
> spread
> >  faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then
> fiddle with
> >  and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the
> mask
> >  then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might
> not be
> >  spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of
> other
> >  things that normally would it be spread like this.
> > 
> >  Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >  ___
> >  http://www.okiebenz.com
> > 
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> > 
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> > 
> > 
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> OK Don
> > >>>
> > >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time
> to
> > >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> > >>>
> > >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am
> doing.”  Wernher
> > >>> Von Braun
> > >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > >>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> > >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
> > >>> ___
> > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com
> > >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 He's a Democrat though, they can, apparently anyway, do no wrong.
My sister-in-law's friend recently got a $500+ ticket for trying to go to the 
beach in Maine without quarantining for 14 days first. The quarantine is under 
an executive order from the government. I've yet to find a place in the 
Constitution that allows for that.
-Curt

On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 8:40:17 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 >A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and >gets infected, then 
 >they go home and unknowingly >infect their elderly parents who die, is that 
 >murder? >Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?


Then Cuomo needs to be brought up on charges for seeding Covid into the nursing 
homes. The statistics were known at the time that the elderly and those with 
comorbidities were at extreme risk. In a just society, that is mass murder. 
There. Is. No. Rule. Of. Law.

Rick


From: Mercedes  on behalf of OK Don via Mercedes 

Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 7:34:23 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: OK Don 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

Even if airborn, you wearing a mask dramtically reduces my chances of
getting it from you.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Perhaps. Seems logical a large group will spread things. Is the virus
> airborne or not? We still don’t know. If it is, masks are a total and
> complete waste of time. We would need to be wearing gas masks or something.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Incorrect, mask wearing can reduce transmission unless you're an idiot.
> If you insist on going to bars and clubs you're almost certainly going to
> get infected.
> >
> > A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and gets infected, then
> they go home and unknowingly infect their elderly parents who die, is that
> murder? Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 7:47:00 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > So long story short mask wearing is not going to solve anything and
> > those at high risk should isolate at home.
> >
> > On 7/23/2020 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > > Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions and
> will be seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several reasons
> why cases have increased, most related to behavior. My friends in LA tell
> me that almost nobody is wearing masks and bars have reopened with few
> restrictions...
> > > Curt
> > >
> > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > >
> > >    On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:  Or could it be the masks are actually
> leading to increased cases? This could be due to the fact that masks are
> trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or maybe the masks are
> creating a false sense of security?
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask
> wearing started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and
> death rate too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
> > >>
> > >> Max Dillon
> > >> Charleston SC
> > >>
> > >> Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> > >>
> > >>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> > >>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since
> social
> > >>> distancing and masks.
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas
> where
> > >>>> it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to
> spread
> > >>>> faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then
> fiddle with
> > >>>> and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the
> mask
> > >>>> then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might
> not be
> > >>>> spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of
> other
> > >>>> things that normally would it be spread like this.

Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Not really, they only have 78,000 cases in a country of 10 million. The number 
of new infections per day in Sweden right now is only a bit higher than here in 
MA yet they have almost 5 times as many people. So their rate of transmission 
is actually lower.
Sweden has been kind of a whipping boy for not having many restrictions but the 
number of infected is fairly low and at their worst they were only getting 
around 1800 infections (well, reported infections) a day.
Their death rate is among the highest but is still lower than the UK or Italy. 
Its worth noting that Swedes aren't big huggers. ;)

-Curt

On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 8:34:30 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Sweden has shown that herd immunity is not working.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:09 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Reaching herd immunity before the rest of us?
> Mitch.
>

-- 
OK Don

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

“Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Wernher
Von Braun
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Its a respiratory illness, of course its airborne. Think about the word: air, 
meaning that stuff all around us, borne, meaning carried upon. The virus gets 
carried upon the air when people cough or sneeze. It also gets transmitted by 
being wiped on things. There might even be other ways we don't know about yet.
Also, a respiratory illness will be transmitted through the mouth and nose, 
covering them up will slow (but Phillip is right it won't prevent or stop) 
transmission.

-Curt

On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 8:30:59 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Perhaps. Seems logical a large group will spread things. Is the virus airborne 
or not? We still don’t know. If it is, masks are a total and complete waste of 
time. We would need to be wearing gas masks or something. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> 
> Incorrect, mask wearing can reduce transmission unless you're an idiot. If 
> you insist on going to bars and clubs you're almost certainly going to get 
> infected.
> 
> A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and gets infected, then they 
> go home and unknowingly infect their elderly parents who die, is that murder? 
> Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 7:47:00 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> So long story short mask wearing is not going to solve anything and 
> those at high risk should isolate at home.
> 
> On 7/23/2020 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions and will 
> > be seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several reasons why 
> > cases have increased, most related to behavior. My friends in LA tell me 
> > that almost nobody is wearing masks and bars have reopened with few 
> > restrictions...
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >  
> >    On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via 
> >Mercedes wrote:  Or could it be the masks are 
> >actually leading to increased cases? This could be due to the fact that 
> >masks are trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or maybe the masks 
> >are creating a false sense of security?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask wearing 
> >> started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and death 
> >> rate too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
> >>
> >> Max Dillon
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >> Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> >>
> >>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> >>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
> >>> distancing and masks.
> >>>
>  On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
>  it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
>  faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle 
>  with
>  and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
>  then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
>  spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
>  things that normally would it be spread like this.
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
>  ___
>  http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
>  To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
>  To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
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> 
> >>> -- 
> >>> OK Don
> >>>
> >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >>>
> >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  
> >>> Wernher
> >>> Von Braun
> >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> >>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
> 
> >>> ___
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> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and >gets infected, then they 
>go home and unknowingly >infect their elderly parents who die, is that murder? 
>>Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?


Then Cuomo needs to be brought up on charges for seeding Covid into the nursing 
homes. The statistics were known at the time that the elderly and those with 
comorbidities were at extreme risk. In a just society, that is mass murder. 
There. Is. No. Rule. Of. Law.

Rick


From: Mercedes  on behalf of OK Don via Mercedes 

Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 7:34:23 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: OK Don 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

Even if airborn, you wearing a mask dramtically reduces my chances of
getting it from you.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Perhaps. Seems logical a large group will spread things. Is the virus
> airborne or not? We still don’t know. If it is, masks are a total and
> complete waste of time. We would need to be wearing gas masks or something.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Incorrect, mask wearing can reduce transmission unless you're an idiot.
> If you insist on going to bars and clubs you're almost certainly going to
> get infected.
> >
> > A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and gets infected, then
> they go home and unknowingly infect their elderly parents who die, is that
> murder? Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 7:47:00 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > So long story short mask wearing is not going to solve anything and
> > those at high risk should isolate at home.
> >
> > On 7/23/2020 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > > Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions and
> will be seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several reasons
> why cases have increased, most related to behavior. My friends in LA tell
> me that almost nobody is wearing masks and bars have reopened with few
> restrictions...
> > > Curt
> > >
> > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > >
> > >On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:  Or could it be the masks are actually
> leading to increased cases? This could be due to the fact that masks are
> trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or maybe the masks are
> creating a false sense of security?
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask
> wearing started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and
> death rate too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
> > >>
> > >> Max Dillon
> > >> Charleston SC
> > >>
> > >> Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> > >>
> > >>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> > >>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since
> social
> > >>> distancing and masks.
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas
> where
> > >>>> it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to
> spread
> > >>>> faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then
> fiddle with
> > >>>> and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the
> mask
> > >>>> then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might
> not be
> > >>>> spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of
> other
> > >>>> things that normally would it be spread like this.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ___
> > >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com
> > >>>>
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> > >>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Even if airborn, you wearing a mask dramtically reduces my chances of
getting it from you.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Perhaps. Seems logical a large group will spread things. Is the virus
> airborne or not? We still don’t know. If it is, masks are a total and
> complete waste of time. We would need to be wearing gas masks or something.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Incorrect, mask wearing can reduce transmission unless you're an idiot.
> If you insist on going to bars and clubs you're almost certainly going to
> get infected.
> >
> > A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and gets infected, then
> they go home and unknowingly infect their elderly parents who die, is that
> murder? Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 7:47:00 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > So long story short mask wearing is not going to solve anything and
> > those at high risk should isolate at home.
> >
> > On 7/23/2020 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > > Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions and
> will be seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several reasons
> why cases have increased, most related to behavior. My friends in LA tell
> me that almost nobody is wearing masks and bars have reopened with few
> restrictions...
> > > Curt
> > >
> > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > >
> > >On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:  Or could it be the masks are actually
> leading to increased cases? This could be due to the fact that masks are
> trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or maybe the masks are
> creating a false sense of security?
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask
> wearing started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and
> death rate too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
> > >>
> > >> Max Dillon
> > >> Charleston SC
> > >>
> > >> Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> > >>
> > >>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> > >>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since
> social
> > >>> distancing and masks.
> > >>>
> >  On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> >  After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas
> where
> >  it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to
> spread
> >  faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then
> fiddle with
> >  and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the
> mask
> >  then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might
> not be
> >  spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of
> other
> >  things that normally would it be spread like this.
> > 
> >  Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >  ___
> >  http://www.okiebenz.com
> > 
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> > 
> >  To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
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> > 
> > >>> --
> > >>> OK Don
> > >>>
> > >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time
> to
> > >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> > >>>
> > >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am
> doing.”  Wernher
> > >>> Von Braun
> > >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > >>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> > >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
> >
> > >>> ___
> > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com
> > >>>
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> > >>>
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> > >
> > > To 

Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Sweden has shown that herd immunity is not working.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:09 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Reaching herd immunity before the rest of us?
> Mitch.
>

-- 
OK Don

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

“Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Wernher
Von Braun
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Perhaps. Seems logical a large group will spread things. Is the virus airborne 
or not? We still don’t know. If it is, masks are a total and complete waste of 
time. We would need to be wearing gas masks or something. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> 
> Incorrect, mask wearing can reduce transmission unless you're an idiot. If 
> you insist on going to bars and clubs you're almost certainly going to get 
> infected.
> 
> A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and gets infected, then they 
> go home and unknowingly infect their elderly parents who die, is that murder? 
> Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 7:47:00 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> So long story short mask wearing is not going to solve anything and 
> those at high risk should isolate at home.
> 
> On 7/23/2020 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions and will 
> > be seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several reasons why 
> > cases have increased, most related to behavior. My friends in LA tell me 
> > that almost nobody is wearing masks and bars have reopened with few 
> > restrictions...
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >  
> >On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via 
> > Mercedes wrote:  Or could it be the masks are 
> > actually leading to increased cases? This could be due to the fact that 
> > masks are trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or maybe the masks 
> > are creating a false sense of security?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask wearing 
> >> started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and death 
> >> rate too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
> >>
> >> Max Dillon
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >> Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> >>
> >>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> >>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
> >>> distancing and masks.
> >>>
>  On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
>  it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
>  faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle 
>  with
>  and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
>  then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
>  spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
>  things that normally would it be spread like this.
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Incorrect, mask wearing can reduce transmission unless you're an idiot. If you 
insist on going to bars and clubs you're almost certainly going to get infected.
A thought I had, if some idiot goes out to a bar and gets infected, then they 
go home and unknowingly infect their elderly parents who die, is that murder? 
Probably not but maybe unintentional manslaughter?
-Curt

On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 7:47:00 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 So long story short mask wearing is not going to solve anything and 
those at high risk should isolate at home.

On 7/23/2020 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions and will 
> be seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several reasons why 
> cases have increased, most related to behavior. My friends in LA tell me that 
> almost nobody is wearing masks and bars have reopened with few restrictions...
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>  
>    On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via 
>Mercedes wrote:  Or could it be the masks are actually 
>leading to increased cases? This could be due to the fact that masks are 
>trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or maybe the masks are creating 
>a false sense of security?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask wearing 
>> started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and death 
>> rate too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
>>
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>>
>> Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
>>
>>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
>>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
>>> distancing and masks.
>>>
 On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

 After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
 it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
 faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle with
 and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
 then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
 spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
 things that normally would it be spread like this.

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>>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Wrong. I have to wear a mask because you won't.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 6:47 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So long story short mask wearing is not going to solve anything and
> those at high risk should isolate at home.
>
> On 7/23/2020 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions and
> will be seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several reasons
> why cases have increased, most related to behavior. My friends in LA tell
> me that almost nobody is wearing masks and bars have reopened with few
> restrictions...
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> >On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Or could it be the masks are actually
> leading to increased cases? This could be due to the fact that masks are
> trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or maybe the masks are
> creating a false sense of security?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask
> wearing started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and
> death rate too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
> >>
> >> Max Dillon
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >> Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> >>
> >>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> >>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since
> social
> >>> distancing and masks.
> >>>
>  On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas
> where
>  it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to
> spread
>  faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then
> fiddle with
>  and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the
> mask
>  then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might
> not be
>  spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
>  things that normally would it be spread like this.
> 
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> >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Reaching herd immunity before the rest of us?
Mitch.

On Thu, July 23, 2020 8:04 pm, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> My son lives in LA.  He says the 30-somethings over crowded the bars and
> avoided the social distance protocols.  Masks were also a little used
> option.  NOW THEY MUST DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES.


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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

My son lives in LA.  He says the 30-somethings over crowded the bars and
avoided the social distance protocols.  Masks were also a little used
option.  Now they must deal with the consequences.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:47 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So long story short mask wearing is not going to solve anything and
> those at high risk should isolate at home.
>
> On 7/23/2020 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions and
> will be seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several reasons
> why cases have increased, most related to behavior. My friends in LA tell
> me that almost nobody is wearing masks and bars have reopened with few
> restrictions...
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> >On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Or could it be the masks are actually
> leading to increased cases? This could be due to the fact that masks are
> trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or maybe the masks are
> creating a false sense of security?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask
> wearing started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and
> death rate too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
> >>
> >> Max Dillon
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >> Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> >>
> >>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> >>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since
> social
> >>> distancing and masks.
> >>>
>  On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas
> where
>  it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to
> spread
>  faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then
> fiddle with
>  and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the
> mask
>  then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might
> not be
>  spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
>  things that normally would it be spread like this.
> 
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> >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

So long story short mask wearing is not going to solve anything and 
those at high risk should isolate at home.


On 7/23/2020 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions and will be 
seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several reasons why cases 
have increased, most related to behavior. My friends in LA tell me that almost 
nobody is wearing masks and bars have reopened with few restrictions...
Curt

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   On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:   Or could it be the masks are actually leading to increased cases? This could be due to the fact that masks are trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or maybe the masks are creating a false sense of security?


Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
wrote:

Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask wearing 
started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and death rate 
too.  Masks alone are not the answer.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :


Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
distancing and masks.


On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle with
and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
things that normally would it be spread like this.

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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Correlation is not causality. California reduced many restrictions and will be 
seeing tourist trade increase. There are probably several reasons why cases 
have increased, most related to behavior. My friends in LA tell me that almost 
nobody is wearing masks and bars have reopened with few restrictions...
Curt

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Mercedes wrote:   Or could it be the masks are actually 
leading to increased cases? This could be due to the fact that masks are 
trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or maybe the masks are creating a 
false sense of security?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask wearing 
> started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and death rate 
> too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> 
>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
>> distancing and masks.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
>>> it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
>>> faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle with
>>> and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
>>> then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
>>> spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
>>> things that normally would it be spread like this.
>>> 
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>> 
>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> 
>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

IMO they should be telling vulnerable people to wear N95 masks to protect
themselves. Nobody cares more about one's own health than oneself. They
will be motivated.

Telling young people who don't really have much to worry about to wear
masks that won't stop them getting the virus --- you can see why that's
a tough sell.

Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:

>  They don't contain completely that much is pretty obvious but, since people 
> complain about masks restricting airflow its pretty clear that the mask 
> reduces the velocity of the air coming out of you which means the virus is 
> more likely to stick with you than to float around free.
> Nobody with any brains is saying "masks prevent transmission 100%". The idea 
> is to reduce the speed of transmission to keep hospitals from being 
> overloaded. I'm pretty much in the camp that believes that we're all going to 
> get it, its just a matter of time. The thing is I want there to be some 
> hospital capacity available so that if I'm one of the people that needs 
> hospitalization I can get in. For that to be true we need to not do what 
> Florida is doing...
> Actually we kind of need to not do what New England is doing. MA for instance 
> has been seeing under 300 new cases per day for more than a month. Our 
> hospitals have loads of free capacity. At this rate it'll be a decade before 
> we get everybody infected and can get on with life.
> -Curt
>
> On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 4:29:22 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
>  
>  The problem is we do not know if they help to contain the virus. They say 
> they think it might be spread by droplets from coughing etc. A report then 
> came out that it might be airborne. First we need to figure that out. Next, 
> what size is the virus? What micron rating are the masks?  So far these are 
> things we have not been told, or are not known. If I missed it somebody 
> please post that study. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 23, 2020, at 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Sanitizing maybe, my pet theory is that the "otherwise healthy", young, 
>> strong people who are dying or really suffering with COVID are also the 
>> people who are excessively clean. I'm thinking that germophobes don't build 
>> as strong immune systems.
>> 
>> If you're just staying away from other people you're still experiencing a 
>> whole world of germs.
>> 
>> And for the last time THE MASK DOESN'T KEEP GERMS OUT. Wearing one won't 
>> compromise your immune system because it doesn't filter germs out, it keeps 
>> your germs on your face and away from me.
>> 
>> The pee metaphor is apt, if some dude is peeing and neither of you is 
>> wearing pants you're at high risk of getting pee on you. If you're wearing 
>> pants you get a tiny amount of protection but you're probably still going to 
>> get pee on you. If he's wearing pants you get way more protection. The pants 
>> don't stop the pee completely but they seriously slow the stream.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 3:07:26 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Not days. Months or years of isolating, masking, and sanitizing might do it 
>> though. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:50 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> >  Yeah, the idea that your body will lose its ability to fight off regular 
>> > colds "within days" that some are saying is the pretty dumb. You're still 
>> > experiencing other infectious agents, theres not really any practical way 
>> > to not...
>> > -Curt
>> > 
>> >    On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 1:47:42 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via 
>> >Mercedes  wrote:  
>> > 
>> > Sorry but that is total crapola. Wear the damn mask. Protect others, 
>> > protect yourself. Contain this virus and let’s move on!
>> > 
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> > 
>> >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> They your body loses the ability to fight common colds and flus then the 
>> >> deaths go up from that. 
>> >> 
>> >> All of these places are giving you new disposable cups for refill, 
>> >> everything in styrofoam to go boxes, disposable menus, utensils. I bet 
>> >> the amount of trash and pollution for all of this is unbelievable.  
>> >> 
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >> 
>>  On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
>>   wrote:
>> >>> 
>> >>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
>> >>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
>> >>> distancing and masks.
>> >>> 
>>  On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>  
>>  After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas 
>>  where
>>  it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
>>  faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle 
>>  with
>>  and touch the mask. They might 

Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Dimitri wrote:

> Sorry but that is total crapola. Wear the damn mask. Protect
> others, protect yourself. Contain this virus and let’s move on!

It CANNOT be contained.  Slowed - maybe. Contained - no.  Protect
those who are have a high risk, and the rest of us should move
on.  If you feel you are at risk by all means isolate!!

Most of us will catch it.  Most of us won't notice we had it.
Those that do have symptoms can partake of the documented
treatments to help.  Once most of us have had it, the protected,
high risk folks can emerge.

Or not, because there will be another seasonal flu.  And corona
virus colds.  And all manner of things for our immune system to
fight.  Those who have a high risk will be at a high risk from all
that stuff!

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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Another thing that I've heard is going on, the rich get the instant test,
and only go into treatment if needed.  The poor get the slow test, and
while waiting for the results they get hospitalized in a room full of other
poor people also waiting for test results, so if they didn't have it when
they arrived, they surely end up with the Wuhan Red Death by the time they
leave.  "Here's your mask, wait over there, we'll tell you when you're
sick!"  Personally I'm going to do everything I can to stay away from
Hospitals, too many people die there.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:04 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The cases I think are in areas with certain demographics.  My boy is
> doing ICU duty in San Jose now, where the cases were a lot higher than
> in towns with higher socioeconomic numbers.
>
> --FT
>
> On 7/23/20 4:50 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> > Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask
> wearing started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and
> death rate too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
> >
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> >
> >> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> >> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
> >> distancing and masks.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas
> where
> >>> it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to
> spread
> >>> faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle
> with
> >>> and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
> >>> then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not
> be
> >>> spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
> >>> things that normally would it be spread like this.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
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> >>
> >> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> >> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >>
> >> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
> Wernher
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

The cases I think are in areas with certain demographics.  My boy is 
doing ICU duty in San Jose now, where the cases were a lot higher than 
in towns with higher socioeconomic numbers.


--FT

On 7/23/20 4:50 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask wearing 
started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and death rate 
too.  Masks alone are not the answer.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :


Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
distancing and masks.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle with
and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
things that normally would it be spread like this.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Or could it be the masks are actually leading to increased cases? This could be 
due to the fact that masks are trapping crap that you are then breathing in. Or 
maybe the masks are creating a false sense of security?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask wearing 
> started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and death rate 
> too.  Masks alone are not the answer.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> 
>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
>> distancing and masks.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
>>> it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
>>> faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle with
>>> and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
>>> then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
>>> spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
>>> things that normally would it be spread like this.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> OK Don
>> 
>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> 
>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  
>> Wernher
>> Von Braun
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>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Then there is the increase in cases in CA where masks were mandated a month 
ago. 

https://www.libertybell.com/one-month-after-their-mask-mandate-guess-what-californias-daily-covid-case-average-is/

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:41 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> 
> They don't contain completely that much is pretty obvious but, since people 
> complain about masks restricting airflow its pretty clear that the mask 
> reduces the velocity of the air coming out of you which means the virus is 
> more likely to stick with you than to float around free.
> 
> Nobody with any brains is saying "masks prevent transmission 100%". The idea 
> is to reduce the speed of transmission to keep hospitals from being 
> overloaded. I'm pretty much in the camp that believes that we're all going to 
> get it, its just a matter of time. The thing is I want there to be some 
> hospital capacity available so that if I'm one of the people that needs 
> hospitalization I can get in. For that to be true we need to not do what 
> Florida is doing...
> 
> Actually we kind of need to not do what New England is doing. MA for instance 
> has been seeing under 300 new cases per day for more than a month. Our 
> hospitals have loads of free capacity. At this rate it'll be a decade before 
> we get everybody infected and can get on with life.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 4:29:22 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> The problem is we do not know if they help to contain the virus. They say 
> they think it might be spread by droplets from coughing etc. A report then 
> came out that it might be airborne. First we need to figure that out. Next, 
> what size is the virus? What micron rating are the masks?  So far these are 
> things we have not been told, or are not known. If I missed it somebody 
> please post that study. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jul 23, 2020, at 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Sanitizing maybe, my pet theory is that the "otherwise healthy", young, 
> > strong people who are dying or really suffering with COVID are also the 
> > people who are excessively clean. I'm thinking that germophobes don't build 
> > as strong immune systems.
> > 
> > If you're just staying away from other people you're still experiencing a 
> > whole world of germs.
> > 
> > And for the last time THE MASK DOESN'T KEEP GERMS OUT. Wearing one won't 
> > compromise your immune system because it doesn't filter germs out, it keeps 
> > your germs on your face and away from me.
> > 
> > The pee metaphor is apt, if some dude is peeing and neither of you is 
> > wearing pants you're at high risk of getting pee on you. If you're wearing 
> > pants you get a tiny amount of protection but you're probably still going 
> > to get pee on you. If he's wearing pants you get way more protection. The 
> > pants don't stop the pee completely but they seriously slow the stream.
> > 
> > -Curt
> > 
> > On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 3:07:26 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Not days. Months or years of isolating, masking, and sanitizing might do it 
> > though. 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > > On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:50 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> > >  wrote:
> > > 
> > >  Yeah, the idea that your body will lose its ability to fight off 
> > > regular colds "within days" that some are saying is the pretty dumb. 
> > > You're still experiencing other infectious agents, theres not really any 
> > > practical way to not...
> > > -Curt
> > > 
> > >On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 1:47:42 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via 
> > > Mercedes  wrote:  
> > > 
> > > Sorry but that is total crapola. Wear the damn mask. Protect others, 
> > > protect yourself. Contain this virus and let’s move on!
> > > 
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > 
> > >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> > >>  wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> They your body loses the ability to fight common colds and flus then 
> > >> the deaths go up from that. 
> > >> 
> > >> All of these places are giving you new disposable cups for refill, 
> > >> everything in styrofoam to go boxes, disposable menus, utensils. I bet 
> > >> the amount of trash and pollution for all of this is unbelievable.  
> > >> 
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >> 
> >  On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> >   wrote:
> > >>> 
> > >>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> > >>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
> > >>> distancing and masks.
> > >>> 
> >  On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >  
> >  After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas 
> >  where
> >  it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to 
> >  spread
> >  faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle 
> >  with
> >  and touch the 

Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Right. They still don’t know how it is transmitted. Figure that out, then there 
might be an argument for masks. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:39 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, July 23, 2020 4:29 pm, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> The problem is we do not know if they help to contain the virus. They say
>> they think it might be spread by droplets from coughing etc. A report
>> then came out that it might be airborne. First we need to figure that
>> out. Next, what size is the virus? What micron rating are the masks?
> 
> 1. Social distancing effect. Your exhalations have less range when you
> cover your face, so 4' away from a mask wearer should be better than 4'
> away unmasked, especially if he's talking.
> 
> 2. Cyclone fence vs mosquito effect. If it's just the virus, any mask that
> lets you smell your farts lets the virus through. OTOH, if it's water
> droplets, if your mask gets wet, it's catching something.
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Have you seen the news from California?  I think their Mando Mask wearing 
started over 30 days ago, but infection rate is still climbing and death rate 
too.  Masks alone are not the answer.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 23, 2020 1:25:22 PM OK Don via Mercedes :

> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
> distancing and masks.
> 
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
>> it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
>> faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle with
>> and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
>> then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
>> spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
>> things that normally would it be spread like this.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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> OK Don
> 
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> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Wernher
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 They don't contain completely that much is pretty obvious but, since people 
complain about masks restricting airflow its pretty clear that the mask reduces 
the velocity of the air coming out of you which means the virus is more likely 
to stick with you than to float around free.
Nobody with any brains is saying "masks prevent transmission 100%". The idea is 
to reduce the speed of transmission to keep hospitals from being overloaded. 
I'm pretty much in the camp that believes that we're all going to get it, its 
just a matter of time. The thing is I want there to be some hospital capacity 
available so that if I'm one of the people that needs hospitalization I can get 
in. For that to be true we need to not do what Florida is doing...
Actually we kind of need to not do what New England is doing. MA for instance 
has been seeing under 300 new cases per day for more than a month. Our 
hospitals have loads of free capacity. At this rate it'll be a decade before we 
get everybody infected and can get on with life.
-Curt

On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 4:29:22 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 The problem is we do not know if they help to contain the virus. They say they 
think it might be spread by droplets from coughing etc. A report then came out 
that it might be airborne. First we need to figure that out. Next, what size is 
the virus? What micron rating are the masks?  So far these are things we have 
not been told, or are not known. If I missed it somebody please post that 
study. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> 
> Sanitizing maybe, my pet theory is that the "otherwise healthy", young, 
> strong people who are dying or really suffering with COVID are also the 
> people who are excessively clean. I'm thinking that germophobes don't build 
> as strong immune systems.
> 
> If you're just staying away from other people you're still experiencing a 
> whole world of germs.
> 
> And for the last time THE MASK DOESN'T KEEP GERMS OUT. Wearing one won't 
> compromise your immune system because it doesn't filter germs out, it keeps 
> your germs on your face and away from me.
> 
> The pee metaphor is apt, if some dude is peeing and neither of you is wearing 
> pants you're at high risk of getting pee on you. If you're wearing pants you 
> get a tiny amount of protection but you're probably still going to get pee on 
> you. If he's wearing pants you get way more protection. The pants don't stop 
> the pee completely but they seriously slow the stream.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 3:07:26 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Not days. Months or years of isolating, masking, and sanitizing might do it 
> though. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:50 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >  Yeah, the idea that your body will lose its ability to fight off regular 
> > colds "within days" that some are saying is the pretty dumb. You're still 
> > experiencing other infectious agents, theres not really any practical way 
> > to not...
> > -Curt
> > 
> >    On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 1:47:42 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via 
> >Mercedes  wrote:  
> > 
> > Sorry but that is total crapola. Wear the damn mask. Protect others, 
> > protect yourself. Contain this virus and let’s move on!
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> They your body loses the ability to fight common colds and flus then the 
> >> deaths go up from that. 
> >> 
> >> All of these places are giving you new disposable cups for refill, 
> >> everything in styrofoam to go boxes, disposable menus, utensils. I bet the 
> >> amount of trash and pollution for all of this is unbelievable.  
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
>  On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
>   wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> >>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
> >>> distancing and masks.
> >>> 
>  On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>  
>  After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
>  it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
>  faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle 
>  with
>  and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
>  then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
>  spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
>  things that normally would it be spread like this.
>  
>  Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

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On Thu, July 23, 2020 4:29 pm, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> The problem is we do not know if they help to contain the virus. They say
> they think it might be spread by droplets from coughing etc. A report
> then came out that it might be airborne. First we need to figure that
> out. Next, what size is the virus? What micron rating are the masks?

1. Social distancing effect. Your exhalations have less range when you
cover your face, so 4' away from a mask wearer should be better than 4'
away unmasked, especially if he's talking.

2. Cyclone fence vs mosquito effect. If it's just the virus, any mask that
lets you smell your farts lets the virus through. OTOH, if it's water
droplets, if your mask gets wet, it's catching something.

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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

The problem is we do not know if they help to contain the virus. They say they 
think it might be spread by droplets from coughing etc. A report then came out 
that it might be airborne. First we need to figure that out. Next, what size is 
the virus? What micron rating are the masks?  So far these are things we have 
not been told, or are not known. If I missed it somebody please post that 
study. 

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> On Jul 23, 2020, at 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> 
> Sanitizing maybe, my pet theory is that the "otherwise healthy", young, 
> strong people who are dying or really suffering with COVID are also the 
> people who are excessively clean. I'm thinking that germophobes don't build 
> as strong immune systems.
> 
> If you're just staying away from other people you're still experiencing a 
> whole world of germs.
> 
> And for the last time THE MASK DOESN'T KEEP GERMS OUT. Wearing one won't 
> compromise your immune system because it doesn't filter germs out, it keeps 
> your germs on your face and away from me.
> 
> The pee metaphor is apt, if some dude is peeing and neither of you is wearing 
> pants you're at high risk of getting pee on you. If you're wearing pants you 
> get a tiny amount of protection but you're probably still going to get pee on 
> you. If he's wearing pants you get way more protection. The pants don't stop 
> the pee completely but they seriously slow the stream.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 3:07:26 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Not days. Months or years of isolating, masking, and sanitizing might do it 
> though. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:50 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >  Yeah, the idea that your body will lose its ability to fight off regular 
> > colds "within days" that some are saying is the pretty dumb. You're still 
> > experiencing other infectious agents, theres not really any practical way 
> > to not...
> > -Curt
> > 
> >On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 1:47:42 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via 
> > Mercedes  wrote:  
> > 
> > Sorry but that is total crapola. Wear the damn mask. Protect others, 
> > protect yourself. Contain this virus and let’s move on!
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> They your body loses the ability to fight common colds and flus then the 
> >> deaths go up from that. 
> >> 
> >> All of these places are giving you new disposable cups for refill, 
> >> everything in styrofoam to go boxes, disposable menus, utensils. I bet the 
> >> amount of trash and pollution for all of this is unbelievable.  
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
>  On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
>   wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> >>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
> >>> distancing and masks.
> >>> 
>  On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>  
>  After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
>  it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
>  faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle 
>  with
>  and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
>  then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
>  spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
>  things that normally would it be spread like this.
>  
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> >>> 
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> >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >>> 
> >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  
> >>> Wernher
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Sanitizing maybe, my pet theory is that the "otherwise healthy", young, strong 
people who are dying or really suffering with COVID are also the people who are 
excessively clean. I'm thinking that germophobes don't build as strong immune 
systems.

If you're just staying away from other people you're still experiencing a whole 
world of germs.
And for the last time THE MASK DOESN'T KEEP GERMS OUT. Wearing one won't 
compromise your immune system because it doesn't filter germs out, it keeps 
your germs on your face and away from me.
The pee metaphor is apt, if some dude is peeing and neither of you is wearing 
pants you're at high risk of getting pee on you. If you're wearing pants you 
get a tiny amount of protection but you're probably still going to get pee on 
you. If he's wearing pants you get way more protection. The pants don't stop 
the pee completely but they seriously slow the stream.

-Curt

   On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 3:07:26 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Not days. Months or years of isolating, masking, and sanitizing might do it 
though. 

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> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:50 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>  Yeah, the idea that your body will lose its ability to fight off regular 
> colds "within days" that some are saying is the pretty dumb. You're still 
> experiencing other infectious agents, theres not really any practical way to 
> not...
> -Curt
> 
>    On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 1:47:42 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
> wrote:  
> 
> Sorry but that is total crapola. Wear the damn mask. Protect others, protect 
> yourself. Contain this virus and let’s move on!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> They your body loses the ability to fight common colds and flus then the 
>> deaths go up from that. 
>> 
>> All of these places are giving you new disposable cups for refill, 
>> everything in styrofoam to go boxes, disposable menus, utensils. I bet the 
>> amount of trash and pollution for all of this is unbelievable.  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
>>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
>>> distancing and masks.
>>> 
 On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
 it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
 faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle with
 and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
 then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
 spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
 things that normally would it be spread like this.
 
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>>> -- 
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>>> 
>>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
>>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>>> 
>>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  
>>> Wernher
>>> Von Braun
>>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
>>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Not days. Months or years of isolating, masking, and sanitizing might do it 
though. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:50 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>  Yeah, the idea that your body will lose its ability to fight off regular 
> colds "within days" that some are saying is the pretty dumb. You're still 
> experiencing other infectious agents, theres not really any practical way to 
> not...
> -Curt
> 
>On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 1:47:42 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Sorry but that is total crapola. Wear the damn mask. Protect others, protect 
> yourself. Contain this virus and let’s move on!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> They your body loses the ability to fight common colds and flus then the 
>> deaths go up from that. 
>> 
>> All of these places are giving you new disposable cups for refill, 
>> everything in styrofoam to go boxes, disposable menus, utensils. I bet the 
>> amount of trash and pollution for all of this is unbelievable.  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
>>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
>>> distancing and masks.
>>> 
 On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
 it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
 faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle with
 and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
 then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
 spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
 things that normally would it be spread like this.
 
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>>> -- 
>>> OK Don
>>> 
>>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
>>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>>> 
>>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  
>>> Wernher
>>> Von Braun
>>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Yeah, the idea that your body will lose its ability to fight off regular colds 
"within days" that some are saying is the pretty dumb. You're still 
experiencing other infectious agents, theres not really any practical way to 
not...
-Curt

On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 1:47:42 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Sorry but that is total crapola. Wear the damn mask. Protect others, protect 
yourself. Contain this virus and let’s move on!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> They your body loses the ability to fight common colds and flus then the 
> deaths go up from that. 
> 
> All of these places are giving you new disposable cups for refill, everything 
> in styrofoam to go boxes, disposable menus, utensils. I bet the amount of 
> trash and pollution for all of this is unbelievable.  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
>> distancing and masks.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
>>> it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
>>> faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle with
>>> and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
>>> then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
>>> spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
>>> things that normally would it be spread like this.
>>> 
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>> OK Don
>> 
>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> 
>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  
>> Wernher
>> Von Braun
>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Huh?

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> On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
> 
> Sorry but that is total crapola. Wear the damn mask. Protect others, protect 
> yourself. Contain this virus and let’s move on!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> They your body loses the ability to fight common colds and flus then the 
>> deaths go up from that. 
>> 
>> All of these places are giving you new disposable cups for refill, 
>> everything in styrofoam to go boxes, disposable menus, utensils. I bet the 
>> amount of trash and pollution for all of this is unbelievable.   
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
>>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
>>> distancing and masks.
>>> 
 On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
 it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
 faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle with
 and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
 then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
 spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
 things that normally would it be spread like this.
 
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>>> -- 
>>> OK Don
>>> 
>>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
>>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>>> 
>>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  
>>> Wernher
>>> Von Braun
>>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Sorry but that is total crapola. Wear the damn mask. Protect others, protect 
yourself. Contain this virus and let’s move on!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> They your body loses the ability to fight common colds and flus then the 
> deaths go up from that. 
> 
> All of these places are giving you new disposable cups for refill, everything 
> in styrofoam to go boxes, disposable menus, utensils. I bet the amount of 
> trash and pollution for all of this is unbelievable.   
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
>> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
>> distancing and masks.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
>>> it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
>>> faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle with
>>> and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
>>> then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
>>> spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
>>> things that normally would it be spread like this.
>>> 
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>> 
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>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> 
>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  
>> Wernher
>> Von Braun
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>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Mask wearing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

They your body loses the ability to fight common colds and flus then the deaths 
go up from that. 

All of these places are giving you new disposable cups for refill, everything 
in styrofoam to go boxes, disposable menus, utensils. I bet the amount of trash 
and pollution for all of this is unbelievable.   

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
> IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
> distancing and masks.
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
>> it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
>> faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle with
>> and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
>> then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
>> spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
>> things that normally would it be spread like this.
>> 
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> 
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Wernher
> Von Braun
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[OK Don via Mercedes]

Well, that was Arkansas, after all ...
IIRC, the incidence of colds and old style flu are way down since social
distancing and masks.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where
> it is mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread
> faster. People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle with
> and touch the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask
> then put it on their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be
> spreading red death but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other
> things that normally would it be spread like this.
>
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[MBZ] Mask wearing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

After traveling by air last week and spending this week in Arkansas where it is 
mandatory masks, I’m convinced this is causing red death to spread faster. 
People fiddle with them, remove them, touch things then fiddle with and touch 
the mask. They might as well wipe down surfaces with the mask then put it on 
their face and breath it in. I misspoke, this might not be spreading red death 
but is almost certainly spreading plenty of other things that normally would it 
be spread like this.  

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