Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Larry T]

When mine failed I had to get it back on the road and bought one from 
the local dealer - it was bad too!  They gave me another one but it was 
a PITA


Mine started going bad as I noticed the headlights would dim for 30 
seconds or so before they came back - I figured it was the glow plugs or 
the alternator and after testing the GPR I found which.


BTW, the GPR is infinitly easier to R&R than the W123 240D!!   But they 
are easy to test...


LarryT
78 240D
91 300D


On 9/12/2013 12:03 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
You gotta check to make sure the relay is unrelaying after the 
appointed operational time.  This is what happened on the SD a coupla 
weeks ago with a fairly new relay too.   A vexing problem, the shop 
replaced the alt pack but it still was killing the battery.  New relay 
no problemo now.


--R

On 9/11/13 11:06 PM, Larry T wrote:
Even if the Preglow light is off, the Preglow Relay can still be 
coming on and staying on or coming on intermittently.The Preglow 
light only come on during the initial  starting sequence...


LarryT
78 240D 



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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Peter Frederick]

that relay can also have a broken contact the keeps it on even when  
not energized or shorts between battery and the coil, turning it on  
when it is NOT activated by the key.


Happened in my Volvo, loose bit causing trouble.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Rich Thomas]

You gotta check to make sure the relay is unrelaying after the appointed 
operational time.  This is what happened on the SD a coupla weeks ago 
with a fairly new relay too.   A vexing problem, the shop replaced the 
alt pack but it still was killing the battery.  New relay no problemo now.


--R

On 9/11/13 11:06 PM, Larry T wrote:
Even if the Preglow light is off, the Preglow Relay can still be 
coming on and staying on or coming on intermittently.The Preglow 
light only come on during the initial  starting sequence...


LarryT
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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[MG]

You know I think I still have a can of that around somewhere from 
about 71 or 72.

Wonder if it goes bad over time?

Manfred

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 23:07:18 -0400
From: Larry T 

they used to sell Lucas Smoke at some creative LBC shops/stores

Larry

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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Larry T]

they used to sell Lucas Smoke at some creative LBC shops/stores

Larry

On 9/10/2013 12:40 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:

Maybe Robert has been into some of Georges' "magic smoke"?

That stuff has been such a challenge for Lucas to keep in the wires.

Mike
On Sep 10, 2013 12:34 PM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:


did you apologize to robert bosch yet for accusing him of being the new
george lucas?


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:


The light comes on (when starting) then goes out and does not come back

on.

Sounds like it's going to be the alternator.
And, Gary, the initial issue was the ground cable. I made a new one from

2

ought cable and ran it directly from the negative post to the starter

bolt.

This alternator issue is simply Karma kicking me in the bean sack for
whatever reason.

Bob R
On Sep 10, 2013 7:49 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:


Does the light turn on when you turn the key on? If that bulb is burned
out it will not charge.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 10, 2013, at 7:53 AM, Curt Raymond 

wrote:

I don't understand why MB didn't put volt meters in their cars...

I'll presume the light isn't on and say you need an alternator. If

the

light was on maybe a regulator would get it. I've NEVER gotten away

with

just a regulator (4 out of 5 of my MBs have needed alternators) and if

I

haven't replaced the battery I usually need multiple alternators until

I

get smart enough to replace the battery.

-Curt


Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 21:11:51 -0700
From: Bob Rentfro 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D
Message-ID:
 
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This thing wouldn't start today in the rain after I had been

in

the

dentist chair for 90 minutes. AAA jumped me, drove straight to

O'Reilly's

to get a quick and dirty alternator check. Voltage check with engine
running, 11.0 volts. Sowhich is more that likely the culprit...
alternator or voltage regulator (which I replaced 6 months ago)?.

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Larry T]

Even if the Preglow light is off, the Preglow Relay can still be coming 
on and staying on or coming on intermittently.The Preglow light only 
come on during the initial  starting sequence...


LarryT
78 240D

On 9/10/2013 12:20 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote:

The light comes on (when starting) then goes out and does not come back on.
Sounds like it's going to be the alternator.
And, Gary, the initial issue was the ground cable. I made a new one from 2
ought cable and ran it directly from the negative post to the starter bolt.
This alternator issue is simply Karma kicking me in the bean sack for
whatever reason.

Bob R
On Sep 10, 2013 7:49 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:


Does the light turn on when you turn the key on? If that bulb is burned
out it will not charge.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 10, 2013, at 7:53 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:


I don't understand why MB didn't put volt meters in their cars...

I'll presume the light isn't on and say you need an alternator. If the

light was on maybe a regulator would get it. I've NEVER gotten away with
just a regulator (4 out of 5 of my MBs have needed alternators) and if I
haven't replaced the battery I usually need multiple alternators until I
get smart enough to replace the battery.

-Curt


Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 21:11:51 -0700
From: Bob Rentfro 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D
Message-ID:
 
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This thing wouldn't start today in the rain after I had been in

the

dentist chair for 90 minutes. AAA jumped me, drove straight to O'Reilly's
to get a quick and dirty alternator check. Voltage check with engine
running, 11.0 volts. Sowhich is more that likely the culprit...
alternator or voltage regulator (which I replaced 6 months ago)?.

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Mitch Haley]

Gary Hurst wrote:

did you apologize to robert bosch yet for accusing him of being the new
george lucas?



Is that the cue for somebody to post a youtube of the Star Wars theme song?

Methinks you meant to say Joseph Lucas, Prince of Darkness.

Mitch.



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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Gerry Archer]

Thanks.  I'll look into those.
Gerry

From: "Dan Penoff" 

Buy a refractometer to check specific gravity.
Far more accurate and much less messy.
And you can use it to check coolant as well.
Dan

On Sep 10, 2013, at 5:55 PM, "Gerry Archer"  
wrote:

Sorry to hear you're having so much trouble, Bob.

I'm still playing with the alternator? regulator? battery? problem in my 
'83 300D because I want to figure out "why" I, and many other people, are 
having fairly frequent problems.


I've set up a bench test with a new shop battery (that's normally a 
backup for the burglar/fire alarm system) so I can test alternators and 
regulators. I still need to find out the size and type of charging light 
bulb, the 18 ohm resistor, and the diode in series with it; all of which 
are in the instrument cluster; in order to duplicate the charging system 
on the car. This part of the charging system is not intuitive, (See 
schematic from the shop manual sent separately), at least to me.


One test that seems to be missing from the current FLAPS DIY protocol is 
specific gravity, and hence the state of charge, of the battery.  It's 
messy and it's easy to get burned with battery acid, so FLAPS; Autozone 
and Advance at least; don't test specific gravity and will argue with you 
if you tell them the sp.gr. is off in one or more battery cells even 
though their handheld testers show that the battery is good.


Instructions that come with new Bosch alternators say that battery must 
be fully charged before installation or the diodes can be damaged.  Under 
the current methodology no one knows the state of their batteries charge 
because they don't test it's sp.gr.  Could this be the reason some on the 
list have frequent regulator and/or alternator failures; they are 
throwing a heavy charging load on the new parts as soon as they're 
installed?


Gary said that Bosch products are not what they used to be, so treating 
them gently may be especially necessary.


From now on my first test will be specific gravity done with a real glass 
hydrometer (not the cheap plastic kind).  If the readings in all the 
cells are close; no matter what the sp.gr./state of charge, the battery 
is probably okay.  That's the way we did it with the old type batteries.


The next step will be to charge the battery with my 10 amp. battery 
charger set on MANUAL; (automatic settings are useless on my charger); 
the cell covers off, and a disposable rag lying over the open cells in 
case the bubbling electrolyte splatters small amounts onto the top of the 
battery.


After charging for an hour, I'll let the battery cool down and then 
re-check the cells sp.gr.
in order to get an idea of how fast the battery is charging.  I don't 
want to overcharge and damage the battery.


If the sp.gr. reading are approximately the same in all cells after the 
battery is fully charged, I'll assume the battery is good and then 
install the new alternator and/or regulator; or test  the charging 
voltage on those that are already installed.


If a cell is down in the "red" range on the hydrometer and the other 
cells are in the green, I'll go back to the battery seller and demand a 
new battery after showing him/her the sp.gr. readings on the current 
battery.


If the battery is good and the charging voltage is low, I'll replace the 
regulator and check the charging voltage again.  If the charging voltage 
is still low, I'll replace the regulator.


Good luck with solving your problems, Bob.
Gerry
.

From: Bob Rentfro 
This thing wouldn't start today in the rain after I had been in 
the dentist chair for 90 minutes. AAA jumped me, drove straight to 
O'Reilly's to get a quick and dirty alternator check. Voltage check with 
engine running, 11.0 volts. Sowhich is more that likely the 
culprit... alternator or voltage regulator (which I replaced 6 months 
ago)?.

Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Dan Penoff]

Buy a refractometer to check specific gravity.

Far more accurate and much less messy.

And you can use it to check coolant as well.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 10, 2013, at 5:55 PM, "Gerry Archer"  wrote:

> Sorry to hear you're having so much trouble, Bob.
> 
> I'm still playing with the alternator? regulator? battery? problem in my '83 
> 300D because I want to figure out "why" I, and many other people, are having 
> fairly frequent problems.
> 
> I've set up a bench test with a new shop battery (that's normally a backup 
> for the burglar/fire alarm system) so I can test alternators and regulators. 
> I still need to find out the size and type of charging light bulb, the 18 ohm 
> resistor, and the diode in series with it; all of which are in the instrument 
> cluster; in order to duplicate the charging system on the car. This part of 
> the charging system is not intuitive, (See schematic from the shop manual 
> sent separately), at least to me.
> 
> One test that seems to be missing from the current FLAPS DIY protocol is 
> specific gravity, and hence the state of charge, of the battery.  It's messy 
> and it's easy to get burned with battery acid, so FLAPS; Autozone and Advance 
> at least; don't test specific gravity and will argue with you if you tell 
> them the sp.gr. is off in one or more battery cells even though their 
> handheld testers show that the battery is good.
> 
> Instructions that come with new Bosch alternators say that battery must be 
> fully charged before installation or the diodes can be damaged.  Under the 
> current methodology no one knows the state of their batteries charge because 
> they don't test it's sp.gr.  Could this be the reason some on the list have 
> frequent regulator and/or alternator failures; they are throwing a heavy 
> charging load on the new parts as soon as they're installed?
> 
> Gary said that Bosch products are not what they used to be, so treating them 
> gently may be especially necessary.
> 
> From now on my first test will be specific gravity done with a real glass 
> hydrometer (not the cheap plastic kind).  If the readings in all the cells 
> are close; no matter what the sp.gr./state of charge, the battery is probably 
> okay.  That's the way we did it with the old type batteries.
> 
> The next step will be to charge the battery with my 10 amp. battery charger 
> set on MANUAL; (automatic settings are useless on my charger); the cell 
> covers off, and a disposable rag lying over the open cells in case the 
> bubbling electrolyte splatters small amounts onto the top of the battery.
> 
> After charging for an hour, I'll let the battery cool down and then re-check 
> the cells sp.gr.
> in order to get an idea of how fast the battery is charging.  I don't want to 
> overcharge and damage the battery.
> 
> If the sp.gr. reading are approximately the same in all cells after the 
> battery is fully charged, I'll assume the battery is good and then install 
> the new alternator and/or regulator; or test  the charging voltage on those 
> that are already installed.
> 
> If a cell is down in the "red" range on the hydrometer and the other cells 
> are in the green, I'll go back to the battery seller and demand a new battery 
> after showing him/her the sp.gr. readings on the current battery.
> 
> If the battery is good and the charging voltage is low, I'll replace the 
> regulator and check the charging voltage again.  If the charging voltage is 
> still low, I'll replace the regulator.
> 
> Good luck with solving your problems, Bob.
> Gerry
> .
> 
> From: Bob Rentfro 
> This thing wouldn't start today in the rain after I had been in the 
> dentist chair for 90 minutes. AAA jumped me, drove straight to O'Reilly's to 
> get a quick and dirty alternator check. Voltage check with engine running, 
> 11.0 volts. Sowhich is more that likely the culprit... alternator or 
> voltage regulator (which I replaced 6 months ago)?.
> Bob R 
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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Does the light turn on when you turn the key on? If that bulb is burned out it 
will not charge.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 10, 2013, at 7:53 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> I don't understand why MB didn't put volt meters in their cars...
> 
> I'll presume the light isn't on and say you need an alternator. If the light 
> was on maybe a regulator would get it. I've NEVER gotten away with just a 
> regulator (4 out of 5 of my MBs have needed alternators) and if I haven't 
> replaced the battery I usually need multiple alternators until I get smart 
> enough to replace the battery.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 21:11:51 -0700
> From: Bob Rentfro 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> This thing wouldn't start today in the rain after I had been in the
> dentist chair for 90 minutes. AAA jumped me, drove straight to O'Reilly's
> to get a quick and dirty alternator check. Voltage check with engine
> running, 11.0 volts. Sowhich is more that likely the culprit...
> alternator or voltage regulator (which I replaced 6 months ago)?.
> 
> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Scott Ritchey]

My experience:  

79 300TD - Bad diode.  Replaced rectifier assembly twice (local purchase)
and both failed in short order.  Replaced alternator with Bosch reman (Circa
2000) with no subsequent failures when sold in 2007.

82 300TD - Wouldn't start in 2005.  Replaced regulator (short brushes) and
no subsequent problem.

I never had a battery cause other problems but I check specific gravity and
voltage and will charge with external 3-phase charger as part of
troubleshooting.

Scott 

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I don't understand why MB didn't put volt meters in their cars...

I'll presume the light isn't on and say you need an alternator. If the light
was on maybe a regulator would get it. I've NEVER gotten away with just a
regulator (4 out of 5 of my MBs have needed alternators) and if I haven't
replaced the battery I usually need multiple alternators until I get smart
enough to replace the battery.

-Curt





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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Bob Rentfro]

Yes. I have asked for his forgiveness.

Bob R
On Sep 10, 2013 9:34 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:

> did you apologize to robert bosch yet for accusing him of being the new
> george lucas?
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:
>
> > The light comes on (when starting) then goes out and does not come back
> on.
> > Sounds like it's going to be the alternator.
> > And, Gary, the initial issue was the ground cable. I made a new one from
> 2
> > ought cable and ran it directly from the negative post to the starter
> bolt.
> > This alternator issue is simply Karma kicking me in the bean sack for
> > whatever reason.
> >
> > Bob R
> > On Sep 10, 2013 7:49 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:
> >
> > > Does the light turn on when you turn the key on? If that bulb is burned
> > > out it will not charge.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Sep 10, 2013, at 7:53 AM, Curt Raymond 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I don't understand why MB didn't put volt meters in their cars...
> > > >
> > > > I'll presume the light isn't on and say you need an alternator. If
> the
> > > light was on maybe a regulator would get it. I've NEVER gotten away
> with
> > > just a regulator (4 out of 5 of my MBs have needed alternators) and if
> I
> > > haven't replaced the battery I usually need multiple alternators until
> I
> > > get smart enough to replace the battery.
> > > >
> > > > -Curt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 21:11:51 -0700
> > > > From: Bob Rentfro 
> > > > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D
> > > > Message-ID:
> > > >  > fuho3qrqcdus8jkmlqfoghnwurjxwr1y9fyrka2in0...@mail.gmail.com>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > > >
> > > > This thing wouldn't start today in the rain after I had been
> in
> > > the
> > > > dentist chair for 90 minutes. AAA jumped me, drove straight to
> > O'Reilly's
> > > > to get a quick and dirty alternator check. Voltage check with engine
> > > > running, 11.0 volts. Sowhich is more that likely the culprit...
> > > > alternator or voltage regulator (which I replaced 6 months ago)?.
> > > >
> > > > Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Larry T]

Tim,
Cannot imagine how frustrated you must be!!

Did you test the Glow Plug Relay?  the test procedures are in the WSM -- 
I can look it up and send it to you if you'd like -- with all the 
electrical draw you have it sure sounds like the GPR.   I suggest you 
also use a analog Volt Meter to check for a short - disconnect the neg 
cable from battery - connect + of VM to the neg post and the - clip to 
the chassis so it gets a good ground -- if there's even a small short 
the needle will swing.  Don't know why a Analog VM was said to work and 
to not use a DMM - but I did as suggested and it worked.   You can 
disconnect things and watch the needle - when it drops to zero you have 
found the short.   I am sure there are other methods but this one was 
easy for me to do and worked s described. YMMV.


Let me know if you need the testing procedures for the GPR - it's pretty 
basic - I used a 12v test light.


Good Luck
LarryT
78 240D
91 300D

On 9/10/2013 10:26 AM, Tim Crone wrote:

This thing wouldn't start today in the rain after I had been in the
dentist chair for 90 minutes. AAA jumped me, drove straight to O'Reilly's
to get a quick and dirty alternator check. Voltage check with engine
running, 11.0 volts. Sowhich is more that likely the culprit...
alternator or voltage regulator (which I replaced 6 months ago)?.


When I bought my alternator, I needed it -that day-, so I went online,
found a cheapo at the local Advance, and used the (at the time) $40 coupon.
  It has lasted for a couple years, though I haven't really driven that car
much since July.

Best,
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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Gerry Archer]

Sorry to hear you're having so much trouble, Bob.

I'm still playing with the alternator? regulator? battery? problem in my '83 
300D because I want to figure out "why" I, and many other people, are having 
fairly frequent problems.


I've set up a bench test with a new shop battery (that's normally a backup 
for the burglar/fire alarm system) so I can test alternators and regulators. 
I still need to find out the size and type of charging light bulb, the 18 
ohm resistor, and the diode in series with it; all of which are in the 
instrument cluster; in order to duplicate the charging system on the car. 
This part of the charging system is not intuitive, (See schematic from the 
shop manual sent separately), at least to me.


One test that seems to be missing from the current FLAPS DIY protocol is 
specific gravity, and hence the state of charge, of the battery.  It's messy 
and it's easy to get burned with battery acid, so FLAPS; Autozone and 
Advance at least; don't test specific gravity and will argue with you if you 
tell them the sp.gr. is off in one or more battery cells even though their 
handheld testers show that the battery is good.


Instructions that come with new Bosch alternators say that battery must be 
fully charged before installation or the diodes can be damaged.  Under the 
current methodology no one knows the state of their batteries charge because 
they don't test it's sp.gr.  Could this be the reason some on the list have 
frequent regulator and/or alternator failures; they are throwing a heavy 
charging load on the new parts as soon as they're installed?


Gary said that Bosch products are not what they used to be, so treating them 
gently may be especially necessary.


From now on my first test will be specific gravity done with a real glass 
hydrometer (not the cheap plastic kind).  If the readings in all the cells 
are close; no matter what the sp.gr./state of charge, the battery is 
probably okay.  That's the way we did it with the old type batteries.


The next step will be to charge the battery with my 10 amp. battery charger 
set on MANUAL; (automatic settings are useless on my charger); the cell 
covers off, and a disposable rag lying over the open cells in case the 
bubbling electrolyte splatters small amounts onto the top of the battery.


After charging for an hour, I'll let the battery cool down and then re-check 
the cells sp.gr.
in order to get an idea of how fast the battery is charging.  I don't want 
to overcharge and damage the battery.


If the sp.gr. reading are approximately the same in all cells after the 
battery is fully charged, I'll assume the battery is good and then install 
the new alternator and/or regulator; or test  the charging voltage on those 
that are already installed.


If a cell is down in the "red" range on the hydrometer and the other cells 
are in the green, I'll go back to the battery seller and demand a new 
battery after showing him/her the sp.gr. readings on the current battery.


If the battery is good and the charging voltage is low, I'll replace the 
regulator and check the charging voltage again.  If the charging voltage is 
still low, I'll replace the regulator.


Good luck with solving your problems, Bob.
Gerry
.

From: Bob Rentfro 
This thing wouldn't start today in the rain after I had been in the 
dentist chair for 90 minutes. AAA jumped me, drove straight to O'Reilly's to 
get a quick and dirty alternator check. Voltage check with engine running, 
11.0 volts. Sowhich is more that likely the culprit... alternator or 
voltage regulator (which I replaced 6 months ago)?.
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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Gary Hurst]

did you apologize to robert bosch yet for accusing him of being the new
george lucas?


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:

> The light comes on (when starting) then goes out and does not come back on.
> Sounds like it's going to be the alternator.
> And, Gary, the initial issue was the ground cable. I made a new one from 2
> ought cable and ran it directly from the negative post to the starter bolt.
> This alternator issue is simply Karma kicking me in the bean sack for
> whatever reason.
>
> Bob R
> On Sep 10, 2013 7:49 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:
>
> > Does the light turn on when you turn the key on? If that bulb is burned
> > out it will not charge.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Sep 10, 2013, at 7:53 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> >
> > > I don't understand why MB didn't put volt meters in their cars...
> > >
> > > I'll presume the light isn't on and say you need an alternator. If the
> > light was on maybe a regulator would get it. I've NEVER gotten away with
> > just a regulator (4 out of 5 of my MBs have needed alternators) and if I
> > haven't replaced the battery I usually need multiple alternators until I
> > get smart enough to replace the battery.
> > >
> > > -Curt
> > >
> > >
> > > Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 21:11:51 -0700
> > > From: Bob Rentfro 
> > > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D
> > > Message-ID:
> > >  fuho3qrqcdus8jkmlqfoghnwurjxwr1y9fyrka2in0...@mail.gmail.com>
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> > >
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> > the
> > > dentist chair for 90 minutes. AAA jumped me, drove straight to
> O'Reilly's
> > > to get a quick and dirty alternator check. Voltage check with engine
> > > running, 11.0 volts. Sowhich is more that likely the culprit...
> > > alternator or voltage regulator (which I replaced 6 months ago)?.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Michael Canfield]

Maybe Robert has been into some of Georges' "magic smoke"?

That stuff has been such a challenge for Lucas to keep in the wires.

Mike
On Sep 10, 2013 12:34 PM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:

> did you apologize to robert bosch yet for accusing him of being the new
> george lucas?
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:
>
> > The light comes on (when starting) then goes out and does not come back
> on.
> > Sounds like it's going to be the alternator.
> > And, Gary, the initial issue was the ground cable. I made a new one from
> 2
> > ought cable and ran it directly from the negative post to the starter
> bolt.
> > This alternator issue is simply Karma kicking me in the bean sack for
> > whatever reason.
> >
> > Bob R
> > On Sep 10, 2013 7:49 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:
> >
> > > Does the light turn on when you turn the key on? If that bulb is burned
> > > out it will not charge.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Sep 10, 2013, at 7:53 AM, Curt Raymond 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I don't understand why MB didn't put volt meters in their cars...
> > > >
> > > > I'll presume the light isn't on and say you need an alternator. If
> the
> > > light was on maybe a regulator would get it. I've NEVER gotten away
> with
> > > just a regulator (4 out of 5 of my MBs have needed alternators) and if
> I
> > > haven't replaced the battery I usually need multiple alternators until
> I
> > > get smart enough to replace the battery.
> > > >
> > > > -Curt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 21:11:51 -0700
> > > > From: Bob Rentfro 
> > > > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D
> > > > Message-ID:
> > > >  > fuho3qrqcdus8jkmlqfoghnwurjxwr1y9fyrka2in0...@mail.gmail.com>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > > >
> > > > This thing wouldn't start today in the rain after I had been
> in
> > > the
> > > > dentist chair for 90 minutes. AAA jumped me, drove straight to
> > O'Reilly's
> > > > to get a quick and dirty alternator check. Voltage check with engine
> > > > running, 11.0 volts. Sowhich is more that likely the culprit...
> > > > alternator or voltage regulator (which I replaced 6 months ago)?.
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Michael Canfield]

So is the Advance Auto alternator still under warranty?

Mike
On Sep 10, 2013 10:27 AM, "Tim Crone"  wrote:

> >
> > This thing wouldn't start today in the rain after I had been in
> the
> > dentist chair for 90 minutes. AAA jumped me, drove straight to O'Reilly's
> > to get a quick and dirty alternator check. Voltage check with engine
> > running, 11.0 volts. Sowhich is more that likely the culprit...
> > alternator or voltage regulator (which I replaced 6 months ago)?.
> >
>
> When I bought my alternator, I needed it -that day-, so I went online,
> found a cheapo at the local Advance, and used the (at the time) $40 coupon.
>  It has lasted for a couple years, though I haven't really driven that car
> much since July.
>
> Best,
> Tim
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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Bob Rentfro]

The light comes on (when starting) then goes out and does not come back on.
Sounds like it's going to be the alternator.
And, Gary, the initial issue was the ground cable. I made a new one from 2
ought cable and ran it directly from the negative post to the starter bolt.
This alternator issue is simply Karma kicking me in the bean sack for
whatever reason.

Bob R
On Sep 10, 2013 7:49 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:

> Does the light turn on when you turn the key on? If that bulb is burned
> out it will not charge.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 10, 2013, at 7:53 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>
> > I don't understand why MB didn't put volt meters in their cars...
> >
> > I'll presume the light isn't on and say you need an alternator. If the
> light was on maybe a regulator would get it. I've NEVER gotten away with
> just a regulator (4 out of 5 of my MBs have needed alternators) and if I
> haven't replaced the battery I usually need multiple alternators until I
> get smart enough to replace the battery.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> > Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 21:11:51 -0700
> > From: Bob Rentfro 
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D
> > Message-ID:
> > 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > This thing wouldn't start today in the rain after I had been in
> the
> > dentist chair for 90 minutes. AAA jumped me, drove straight to O'Reilly's
> > to get a quick and dirty alternator check. Voltage check with engine
> > running, 11.0 volts. Sowhich is more that likely the culprit...
> > alternator or voltage regulator (which I replaced 6 months ago)?.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Gary Hurst]

did he figure out his general electrical problems yet?


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> You probably just need to replace the alternator at this point
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 9, 2013, at 11:11 PM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:
>
> > This thing wouldn't start today in the rain after I had been in
> the
> > dentist chair for 90 minutes. AAA jumped me, drove straight to O'Reilly's
> > to get a quick and dirty alternator check. Voltage check with engine
> > running, 11.0 volts. Sowhich is more that likely the culprit...
> > alternator or voltage regulator (which I replaced 6 months ago)?.
> >
> > Bob R
> > On Sep 9, 2013 4:40 PM, "Larry T"  wrote:
> >
> >> If nothing else works, a short battery cable in black or red are
> available
> >> cheap from FLAPS
> >>
> >> Good luck -
> >> LarryT
> >>
> >> On 9/6/2013 11:10 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote:
> >>
> >>> So I go out to my car at the end of my 12 hour day and pop the hood.
> All
> >>> looks fine. I touch the negative cable I made and installed a week ago
> and
> >>> it comes apart at the terminal connection. That explains everything. I
> >>> guess my  2 ought crimping  skills are lacking. Should have soldered
> it as
> >>> well.
> >>> As luck would have it, I had a clamp on terminal connection I put on in
> >>> it's place, hooked up jumper cables to a work associate's Altima and 10
> >>> minutes later, it started. Tonight I will recrimp and solder the
> >>> connection.
> >>>
> >>> Bob R
> >>> On Sep 5, 2013 8:25 PM, "Peter Frederick" 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> A stuck (or in my case, broken and shorted) glow plug relay will indeed
>  run the battery flat with a good alternator, especially at night when
> you
>  have the headlights on.  Less power produced by the alternator than is
>  getting used, so the battery goes flat.
> 
>  Happened to me on a trip, and unlike the Benz the Volvo has an
> electric
>  shut off, so when the voltage goes too low the engine stops.  I was
>  looking
>  for a place to pull over where I wouldn't get hit when I ran over a
> hole
>  in
>  the pavement and dislodged the broken contact in the relay, instantly
>  restoring my headlights, radio, windows, and AC.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

You probably just need to replace the alternator at this point 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 9, 2013, at 11:11 PM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:

> This thing wouldn't start today in the rain after I had been in the
> dentist chair for 90 minutes. AAA jumped me, drove straight to O'Reilly's
> to get a quick and dirty alternator check. Voltage check with engine
> running, 11.0 volts. Sowhich is more that likely the culprit...
> alternator or voltage regulator (which I replaced 6 months ago)?.
> 
> Bob R
> On Sep 9, 2013 4:40 PM, "Larry T"  wrote:
> 
>> If nothing else works, a short battery cable in black or red are available
>> cheap from FLAPS
>> 
>> Good luck -
>> LarryT
>> 
>> On 9/6/2013 11:10 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote:
>> 
>>> So I go out to my car at the end of my 12 hour day and pop the hood. All
>>> looks fine. I touch the negative cable I made and installed a week ago and
>>> it comes apart at the terminal connection. That explains everything. I
>>> guess my  2 ought crimping  skills are lacking. Should have soldered it as
>>> well.
>>> As luck would have it, I had a clamp on terminal connection I put on in
>>> it's place, hooked up jumper cables to a work associate's Altima and 10
>>> minutes later, it started. Tonight I will recrimp and solder the
>>> connection.
>>> 
>>> Bob R
>>> On Sep 5, 2013 8:25 PM, "Peter Frederick"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A stuck (or in my case, broken and shorted) glow plug relay will indeed
 run the battery flat with a good alternator, especially at night when you
 have the headlights on.  Less power produced by the alternator than is
 getting used, so the battery goes flat.
 
 Happened to me on a trip, and unlike the Benz the Volvo has an electric
 shut off, so when the voltage goes too low the engine stops.  I was
 looking
 for a place to pull over where I wouldn't get hit when I ran over a hole
 in
 the pavement and dislodged the broken contact in the relay, instantly
 restoring my headlights, radio, windows, and AC.
 
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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Tim Crone]

>
> This thing wouldn't start today in the rain after I had been in the
> dentist chair for 90 minutes. AAA jumped me, drove straight to O'Reilly's
> to get a quick and dirty alternator check. Voltage check with engine
> running, 11.0 volts. Sowhich is more that likely the culprit...
> alternator or voltage regulator (which I replaced 6 months ago)?.
>

When I bought my alternator, I needed it -that day-, so I went online,
found a cheapo at the local Advance, and used the (at the time) $40 coupon.
 It has lasted for a couple years, though I haven't really driven that car
much since July.

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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Curt Raymond]

I don't understand why MB didn't put volt meters in their cars...

I'll presume the light isn't on and say you need an alternator. If the light 
was on maybe a regulator would get it. I've NEVER gotten away with just a 
regulator (4 out of 5 of my MBs have needed alternators) and if I haven't 
replaced the battery I usually need multiple alternators until I get smart 
enough to replace the battery.

-Curt


Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 21:11:51 -0700
From: Bob Rentfro 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D
Message-ID:
    
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

This thing wouldn't start today in the rain after I had been in the
dentist chair for 90 minutes. AAA jumped me, drove straight to O'Reilly's
to get a quick and dirty alternator check. Voltage check with engine
running, 11.0 volts. Sowhich is more that likely the culprit...
alternator or voltage regulator (which I replaced 6 months ago)?.

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Bob Rentfro]

This thing wouldn't start today in the rain after I had been in the
dentist chair for 90 minutes. AAA jumped me, drove straight to O'Reilly's
to get a quick and dirty alternator check. Voltage check with engine
running, 11.0 volts. Sowhich is more that likely the culprit...
alternator or voltage regulator (which I replaced 6 months ago)?.

Bob R
On Sep 9, 2013 4:40 PM, "Larry T"  wrote:

> If nothing else works, a short battery cable in black or red are available
> cheap from FLAPS
>
> Good luck -
> LarryT
>
> On 9/6/2013 11:10 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote:
>
>> So I go out to my car at the end of my 12 hour day and pop the hood. All
>> looks fine. I touch the negative cable I made and installed a week ago and
>> it comes apart at the terminal connection. That explains everything. I
>> guess my  2 ought crimping  skills are lacking. Should have soldered it as
>> well.
>> As luck would have it, I had a clamp on terminal connection I put on in
>> it's place, hooked up jumper cables to a work associate's Altima and 10
>> minutes later, it started. Tonight I will recrimp and solder the
>> connection.
>>
>> Bob R
>> On Sep 5, 2013 8:25 PM, "Peter Frederick"  wrote:
>>
>>  A stuck (or in my case, broken and shorted) glow plug relay will indeed
>>> run the battery flat with a good alternator, especially at night when you
>>> have the headlights on.  Less power produced by the alternator than is
>>> getting used, so the battery goes flat.
>>>
>>> Happened to me on a trip, and unlike the Benz the Volvo has an electric
>>> shut off, so when the voltage goes too low the engine stops.  I was
>>> looking
>>> for a place to pull over where I wouldn't get hit when I ran over a hole
>>> in
>>> the pavement and dislodged the broken contact in the relay, instantly
>>> restoring my headlights, radio, windows, and AC.
>>>
>>> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Larry T]

If nothing else works, a short battery cable in black or red are 
available cheap from FLAPS


Good luck -
LarryT

On 9/6/2013 11:10 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote:

So I go out to my car at the end of my 12 hour day and pop the hood. All
looks fine. I touch the negative cable I made and installed a week ago and
it comes apart at the terminal connection. That explains everything. I
guess my  2 ought crimping  skills are lacking. Should have soldered it as
well.
As luck would have it, I had a clamp on terminal connection I put on in
it's place, hooked up jumper cables to a work associate's Altima and 10
minutes later, it started. Tonight I will recrimp and solder the
connection.

Bob R
On Sep 5, 2013 8:25 PM, "Peter Frederick"  wrote:


A stuck (or in my case, broken and shorted) glow plug relay will indeed
run the battery flat with a good alternator, especially at night when you
have the headlights on.  Less power produced by the alternator than is
getting used, so the battery goes flat.

Happened to me on a trip, and unlike the Benz the Volvo has an electric
shut off, so when the voltage goes too low the engine stops.  I was looking
for a place to pull over where I wouldn't get hit when I ran over a hole in
the pavement and dislodged the broken contact in the relay, instantly
restoring my headlights, radio, windows, and AC.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Mitch Haley]

Bob Rentfro wrote:

So I go out to my car at the end of my 12 hour day and pop the hood. All
looks fine. I touch the negative cable I made and installed a week ago and
it comes apart at the terminal connection. That explains everything. I
guess my  2 ought crimping  skills are lacking. Should have soldered it as
well.


The local starter & alternator shop has a serious crimper for those copper and 
brass cable ends. I wonder when they will go out of business?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Bob Rentfro]

So I go out to my car at the end of my 12 hour day and pop the hood. All
looks fine. I touch the negative cable I made and installed a week ago and
it comes apart at the terminal connection. That explains everything. I
guess my  2 ought crimping  skills are lacking. Should have soldered it as
well.
As luck would have it, I had a clamp on terminal connection I put on in
it's place, hooked up jumper cables to a work associate's Altima and 10
minutes later, it started. Tonight I will recrimp and solder the
connection.

Bob R
On Sep 5, 2013 8:25 PM, "Peter Frederick"  wrote:

> A stuck (or in my case, broken and shorted) glow plug relay will indeed
> run the battery flat with a good alternator, especially at night when you
> have the headlights on.  Less power produced by the alternator than is
> getting used, so the battery goes flat.
>
> Happened to me on a trip, and unlike the Benz the Volvo has an electric
> shut off, so when the voltage goes too low the engine stops.  I was looking
> for a place to pull over where I wouldn't get hit when I ran over a hole in
> the pavement and dislodged the broken contact in the relay, instantly
> restoring my headlights, radio, windows, and AC.
>
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Peter Frederick]

A stuck (or in my case, broken and shorted) glow plug relay will  
indeed run the battery flat with a good alternator, especially at  
night when you have the headlights on.  Less power produced by the  
alternator than is getting used, so the battery goes flat.


Happened to me on a trip, and unlike the Benz the Volvo has an  
electric shut off, so when the voltage goes too low the engine stops.   
I was looking for a place to pull over where I wouldn't get hit when I  
ran over a hole in the pavement and dislodged the broken contact in  
the relay, instantly restoring my headlights, radio, windows, and AC.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Jaime Kopchinski]

Maybe this was already mentioned... but...  my random guess as to why
you're having so many problems with an otherwise simple car:  The glow plug
relay is stuck on when driving.

Jaime



On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:

> Pulling into the parking lot this morning I realized I could not see
> because my headlights were almost out. Dash lights were out too. I'm not
> even going to look at it until later This may be the last straw for this
> car. I have battled this pig electrically from the day I bought it. New
> cabling, new voltage regulator, several new starters. I am so over this.
> Any suggestions? I may have to 86 this thing. This is the first one I have
> ever had that has not been dependable in 35 years of driving MBs.
>
> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Curt Raymond]

My grandfather always said that if the starter, alternator or battery failed it 
was best to just replace all three as the other two were ready to die. For me 
on MBs that seems to be good advice. Every time I've replaced an alternator 
without replacing the battery the car has eaten alternators until I did.

Bob, you've gotten that which for me is the common failure mode on alternators 
which is to say total and utter failure. My 190D did it immediately upon 
leaving work, at night, in a snow storm. I just barely made it home...
Replacing the alternator is the only answer. Sorry to say on a 240D its a pain 
in the ass lying on your back fighting bolts that are awkward. They definitely 
learned a lesson which they applied on the 190D. As Fred can attest I can do an 
alternator replacement on a 190D in about 10 minutes on the side of the road...

-Curt

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 13:27:51 -0400
From: "Scott Ritchey" 
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D
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Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"


I had a 79 TD with electrical problems until I fixed them.  I initially (it
turned out) the alternator had a bad diode in the rectifier assembly that
was sucking about 2 amps from the batt.  After two tries replacing just the
rectifier assembly with one bought locally (supposed to be the right one but
both failed in short order) I got a Bosch reman from Rusty and it was 100%
until the day I sold the car.  Things may have changed so I'd discuss brands
with Hursty if you need to order one.  The second problem is that I nicked
the pulley moving it from the old alternator to the new one. That little
nick ate the belt in short order to the point it slipped to the point the
alternator wasn't charging.  So check your belt.  Also at one point, the
voltage regulator failed in a way that overcharged the battery.  The symptom
was the charge idiot light got brighter when I revved the engine.  The
replacement regulator was not expensive and I can install one without even
jacking the car (without removing the alternator).  

In your case it's pretty obvious that the battery died so either it's not
charging (alternator) or you have a huge load (like glow plugs) draining the
battery.  In either case it should be simple to diagnose with a meter, even
a real cheapie meter will suffice.



-Original Message-

On 9/5/13 9:35 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote:
> Pulling into the parking lot this morning I realized I could not see
> because my headlights were almost out. Dash lights were out too. I'm not
> even going to look at it until later This may be the last straw for this
> car. I have battled this pig electrically from the day I bought it. New
> cabling, new voltage regulator, several new starters. I am so over this.
> Any suggestions? I may have to 86 this thing. This is the first one I have
> ever had that has not been dependable in 35 years of driving MBs.
>
> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[WILTON]

About 1970, I determined that the alternator on my '64 Dodge van had a bad 
diode; new/rebuilt alternator was maybe $50-$75; "experts" said I could not 
R & R the diode; I replaced the diode - cost 17 cents.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Ritchey" 

To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D




I had a 79 TD with electrical problems until I fixed them.  I initially 
(it

turned out) the alternator had a bad diode in the rectifier assembly that
was sucking about 2 amps from the batt.  After two tries replacing just 
the
rectifier assembly with one bought locally (supposed to be the right one 
but

both failed in short order) I got a Bosch reman from Rusty and it was 100%
until the day I sold the car.  Things may have changed so I'd discuss 
brands

with Hursty if you need to order one.  The second problem is that I nicked
the pulley moving it from the old alternator to the new one. That little
nick ate the belt in short order to the point it slipped to the point the
alternator wasn't charging.  So check your belt.  Also at one point, the
voltage regulator failed in a way that overcharged the battery.  The 
symptom

was the charge idiot light got brighter when I revved the engine.  The
replacement regulator was not expensive and I can install one without even
jacking the car (without removing the alternator).

In your case it's pretty obvious that the battery died so either it's not
charging (alternator) or you have a huge load (like glow plugs) draining 
the
battery.  In either case it should be simple to diagnose with a meter, 
even

a real cheapie meter will suffice.



-Original Message-

On 9/5/13 9:35 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote:

Pulling into the parking lot this morning I realized I could not see
because my headlights were almost out. Dash lights were out too. I'm not
even going to look at it until later This may be the last straw for this
car. I have battled this pig electrically from the day I bought it. New
cabling, new voltage regulator, several new starters. I am so over this.
Any suggestions? I may have to 86 this thing. This is the first one I 
have

ever had that has not been dependable in 35 years of driving MBs.

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Dan Penoff]

Almost sounds like you were running strictly on battery with no charging from 
the alternator.

Were you able to start it?

Dan

On Sep 5, 2013, at 9:36 AM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:

> Pulling into the parking lot this morning I realized I could not see
> because my headlights were almost out. Dash lights were out too. I'm not
> even going to look at it until later This may be the last straw for this
> car. I have battled this pig electrically from the day I bought it. New
> cabling, new voltage regulator, several new starters. I am so over this.
> Any suggestions? I may have to 86 this thing. This is the first one I have
> ever had that has not been dependable in 35 years of driving MBs.
> 
> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Dan Penoff]

When I was in tech school in the early 80s we rebuilt alternators in our 
electrical class. Part of that work was pressing diodes out of the heat sinks 
and replacing them with new.

Simple and cheap to do.

Dan

On Sep 5, 2013, at 1:37 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> About 1970, I determined that the alternator on my '64 Dodge van had a bad 
> diode; new/rebuilt alternator was maybe $50-$75; "experts" said I could not R 
> & R the diode; I replaced the diode - cost 17 cents.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Ritchey" 
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 1:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D
> 
> 
>> 
>> I had a 79 TD with electrical problems until I fixed them.  I initially (it
>> turned out) the alternator had a bad diode in the rectifier assembly that
>> was sucking about 2 amps from the batt.  After two tries replacing just the
>> rectifier assembly with one bought locally (supposed to be the right one but
>> both failed in short order) I got a Bosch reman from Rusty and it was 100%
>> until the day I sold the car.  Things may have changed so I'd discuss brands
>> with Hursty if you need to order one.  The second problem is that I nicked
>> the pulley moving it from the old alternator to the new one. That little
>> nick ate the belt in short order to the point it slipped to the point the
>> alternator wasn't charging.  So check your belt.  Also at one point, the
>> voltage regulator failed in a way that overcharged the battery.  The symptom
>> was the charge idiot light got brighter when I revved the engine.  The
>> replacement regulator was not expensive and I can install one without even
>> jacking the car (without removing the alternator).
>> 
>> In your case it's pretty obvious that the battery died so either it's not
>> charging (alternator) or you have a huge load (like glow plugs) draining the
>> battery.  In either case it should be simple to diagnose with a meter, even
>> a real cheapie meter will suffice.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> 
>> On 9/5/13 9:35 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote:
>>> Pulling into the parking lot this morning I realized I could not see
>>> because my headlights were almost out. Dash lights were out too. I'm not
>>> even going to look at it until later This may be the last straw for this
>>> car. I have battled this pig electrically from the day I bought it. New
>>> cabling, new voltage regulator, several new starters. I am so over this.
>>> Any suggestions? I may have to 86 this thing. This is the first one I have
>>> ever had that has not been dependable in 35 years of driving MBs.
>>> 
>>> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Scott Ritchey]

I had a 79 TD with electrical problems until I fixed them.  I initially (it
turned out) the alternator had a bad diode in the rectifier assembly that
was sucking about 2 amps from the batt.  After two tries replacing just the
rectifier assembly with one bought locally (supposed to be the right one but
both failed in short order) I got a Bosch reman from Rusty and it was 100%
until the day I sold the car.  Things may have changed so I'd discuss brands
with Hursty if you need to order one.  The second problem is that I nicked
the pulley moving it from the old alternator to the new one. That little
nick ate the belt in short order to the point it slipped to the point the
alternator wasn't charging.  So check your belt.  Also at one point, the
voltage regulator failed in a way that overcharged the battery.  The symptom
was the charge idiot light got brighter when I revved the engine.  The
replacement regulator was not expensive and I can install one without even
jacking the car (without removing the alternator).  

In your case it's pretty obvious that the battery died so either it's not
charging (alternator) or you have a huge load (like glow plugs) draining the
battery.  In either case it should be simple to diagnose with a meter, even
a real cheapie meter will suffice.



-Original Message-

On 9/5/13 9:35 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote:
> Pulling into the parking lot this morning I realized I could not see
> because my headlights were almost out. Dash lights were out too. I'm not
> even going to look at it until later This may be the last straw for this
> car. I have battled this pig electrically from the day I bought it. New
> cabling, new voltage regulator, several new starters. I am so over this.
> Any suggestions? I may have to 86 this thing. This is the first one I have
> ever had that has not been dependable in 35 years of driving MBs.
>
> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Jim Cathey]

I have battled this pig electrically from the day I bought it.


That car doesn't even need electricity to run.  You could be
having this problem with _any_ car, from any maker, and most
of them would strand you as an extra bonus round.  A lot to
be said for finding/fixing this problem.

I think you just haven't found the real problem yet.  Might be
more than one, conspiring.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[WILTON]

I sense a welling of disappointment; I know the feeling.
I wish you well.

Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Rentfro" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 9:35 AM
Subject: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D



Pulling into the parking lot this morning I realized I could not see
because my headlights were almost out. Dash lights were out too. I'm not
even going to look at it until later This may be the last straw for this
car. I have battled this pig electrically from the day I bought it. New
cabling, new voltage regulator, several new starters. I am so over this.
Any suggestions? I may have to 86 this thing. This is the first one I have
ever had that has not been dependable in 35 years of driving MBs.

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Jim Cathey]

I have battled this pig electrically from the day I bought it. New
cabling, new voltage regulator, several new starters.


VR/brush pack is not the only thing that can be wrong with
an alternator.  Have you tried a different one?

-- Jim



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[MBZ] My Wretched 240D

[Bob Rentfro]

Pulling into the parking lot this morning I realized I could not see
because my headlights were almost out. Dash lights were out too. I'm not
even going to look at it until later This may be the last straw for this
car. I have battled this pig electrically from the day I bought it. New
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Any suggestions? I may have to 86 this thing. This is the first one I have
ever had that has not been dependable in 35 years of driving MBs.

Bob R
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