Re: [MBZ] OT but important
I have the butt doctors calling me up cold. I should put the notes on the wall and toss a dart at it to see who I go with. clay On Nov 2, 2013, at 10:46 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Well for some reason my dr sent me to get scoped about 5 years ago. That was fun I tell you. I got a letter in the mail saying it was about time to get another scope. I have not had that done. As I am a long way away from 50 I figure they are just trying to rack up a bill or something. On Nov 2, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I think the recommended thing is to get scoped around 50, then future scopings are based on how things look the first time out. From there I believe they say every 10 years if things look good. My GP has been bugging me about it for 2-3 years. I finally gave in when the wife hassled me about it and I used it to push her into getting her hip replaced, as in I'll get a colonoscopy after you get your hip replaced. I lost that bet, but it was for a good cause. Now it's time for the payoff. Dan On Nov 2, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: For whatever it is worth my resident expert suggests those of a certain age should get scoped every so many years (and I can't remember how many but it is probably such that I need to get scoped again soon myself). --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3615/6806 - Release Date: 11/03/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT but important
Obamacare is just relabled Romneycare. Would he have repealed it? On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 8:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: If Romney had won the election and repealed Obamacare, whom would you have blamed? -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT but important
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:51 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Obamacare is just relabled Romneycare. Would he have repealed it? That's what he ran on... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=PFctVoEHM1o *Former Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney charged on Sunday that President Obama’s signature law, the Affordable Care Act, is now threatening to undermine his second term. Despite the president’s repeated claims that “if you like your health-care plan, you can keep your health-care plan,” hundreds of thousands of Americans are now receiving cancellation notices from their insurance companies.”I think that fundamental dishonesty has really put in peril the whole foundation of his second term,” Romney said.* *Though the former Massachusetts governor predicted that rising premiums and a sclerotic bureaucracy will plague the law as implementation continues, he insisted that the president’s empty promise will ultimately do the most damage. “I think the key thing that the president is trying to get away from, and that is that he told people they could keep their insurance and that was not the truth, and whether you like the model of Obamacare or not, the fact that the president sold it on a basis that was not true has undermined the foundation of his second term. I think it’s rotting it away.”* *The president, according to Romney, could not afford to tell the American people the truth when he campaigned for the bill because “there would have been such a huge cry against it, it would not have passed.”* *Romney rejected the comparisons drawn by the president in a speech last week between the Affordable Care Act and the health-insurance reform he signed into law as governor of Massachusetts, arguing that the Massachusetts plan was state-run rather than a “one size fits all” approach crafted by the federal government. “States should be able to craft their own plans to get all of their citizens insured and to make sure that preexisting conditions are covered,” Romney told NBC’s David Gregory.* *In remarks at Boston’s Faneuil Hall to mark the seventh anniversary of the passage of Massachusetts’s health-care legislation, President Obama praised Romney for doing “the right thing on health care” and told a crowd that his legislation was built on the Massachusetts model.* * “Massachusetts teaches some important lessons some states are not going to want to follow,” Romney said. “One lesson is health insurance is more expensive in Massachusetts than anywhere else in the country. That is something that Texas and Minnesota and Montana are not necessarily going to want to adopt.” * ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mittens has said that what works for a state will not work for the whole country, for whatever that is worth. Mass is a hugely blue Dem state that for some reason elects Republican gubnas now and then. Most of what goes on is controlled by the Legislature, in particular a very small handful of individuals therein. It is pretty much run as a fiefdom, and most of them are corrupt (and there are lots of indictments, jail time, etc. to go along with that). The one that was in power when I was there, Billy Bulger, was the brother of Whitey who ran the Winter Hill Gang, the local Irish mafia. After Billy retired he got appointed as president of UMass, making $300ksome a year in addition to the dip for the retirement from the legislature. Mittens got him to step down by threatening to put a Boston Herald columnist on the UMass board, Howie Carr, who was on Billy for years and called him The Corrupt Midget. Too funny. So Mittens kinda went along and got the best deal he could out of a generally bad deal. From what I read the Mass medical care insurance thing is a disaster costwise, but not having lived there for 14 years I no longer have much interest in it all so don't follow it that closely. YMMV. Whatever... get tested for hepatitis and get the endscoped. --R On 11/4/13 12:00 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel wrote: On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:51 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Obamacare is just relabled Romneycare. Would he have repealed it? That's what he ran on... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=PFctVoEHM1o *Former Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney charged on Sunday that President Obama’s signature law, the Affordable Care Act, is now threatening to undermine his second term. Despite the president’s repeated claims that “if you like your health-care plan, you can keep your health-care plan,” hundreds of thousands of Americans are now receiving cancellation notices from their insurance companies.”I think that fundamental dishonesty has really put in peril the whole foundation of his second term,” Romney said.* *Though the former Massachusetts governor predicted that rising premiums and a sclerotic bureaucracy will plague the law as implementation continues, he insisted that the president’s empty promise will ultimately do the most damage. “I think the key thing that the president is trying to get away from, and that is that he told people they could keep their insurance and that was not the truth, and whether you like the model of Obamacare or not, the fact that the president sold it on a basis that was not true has undermined the foundation of his second term. I think it’s rotting it away.”* *The president, according to Romney, could not afford to tell the American people the truth when he campaigned for the bill because “there would have been such a huge cry against it, it would not have passed.”* *Romney rejected the comparisons drawn by the president in a speech last week between the Affordable Care Act and the health-insurance reform he signed into law as governor of Massachusetts, arguing that the Massachusetts plan was state-run rather than a “one size fits all” approach crafted by the federal government. “States should be able to craft their own plans to get all of their citizens insured and to make sure that preexisting conditions are covered,” Romney told NBC’s David Gregory.* *In remarks at Boston’s Faneuil Hall to mark the seventh anniversary of the passage of Massachusetts’s health-care legislation, President Obama praised Romney for doing “the right thing on health care” and told a crowd that his legislation was built on the Massachusetts model.* * “Massachusetts teaches some important lessons some states are not going to want to follow,” Romney said. “One lesson is health insurance is more expensive in Massachusetts than anywhere else in the country. That is something that Texas and Minnesota and Montana are not necessarily going to want to adopt.” * ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT but important
Romney says osamacare is a farce and nothing like his taxechoozits plan. Lots of rending of garments by the press to say all will be resolved and is only the youths would sign up, the plan will work. The youths are offended they will pay so much and the computers being non functional discourage their actions. clay On Nov 4, 2013, at 8:51 AM, OK Don wrote: Obamacare is just relabled Romneycare. Would he have repealed it? On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 8:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: If Romney had won the election and repealed Obamacare, whom would you have blamed? -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT but important
They were for it when they thought it would be free --R On 11/4/13 5:02 PM, clay wrote: Romney says osamacare is a farce and nothing like his taxechoozits plan. Lots of rending of garments by the press to say all will be resolved and is only the youths would sign up, the plan will work. The youths are offended they will pay so much and the computers being non functional discourage their actions. clay On Nov 4, 2013, at 8:51 AM, OK Don wrote: Obamacare is just relabled Romneycare. Would he have repealed it? On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 8:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: If Romney had won the election and repealed Obamacare, whom would you have blamed? -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT but important
--R wrote: ... get tested for hepatitis and get the endscoped. No thanks. Whatever comes out will be part of a record I don't want anyone to see or use. Without insco or income or resources, $$ spent for that type of ignorant information is spent on food that cures these things. That sounds like a better plausible plan. Eat right, move around. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hard to say. The medical idiots identified an adenoma in my dads gut, but doctors ignored it for four years. Then they were all surprised that the mass was cancerous and stage four. This is ObamaCare en-utero folks. Lose your plan, get the new expensive one, and the bone saws will still pay no attention and you end up dead. clay On Nov 1, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Craig wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 17:11:45 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Adenoma Detection Rate. Adenoma is a benign tumor of glandular tissue, such as the mucosa of stomach, small intestine, and colon, in which tumor cells form glands or glandlike structures. In hollow organs (digestive tract), the adenoma grows into the lumen - adenomatous polyp or polypoid adenoma. Depending on the type of the insertion base, adenoma may be pedunculated (lobular head with a long slender stalk) or sessile (broad base). So the fellow's rate of detecting suspicious tissue in your intestine is 13 - 19%. Is that a function of the fellow and his technology, or of the presenting population? I would presume the latter. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT but important
If Romney had won the election and repealed Obamacare, whom would you have blamed? On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 7:47 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Hard to say. The medical idiots identified an adenoma in my dads gut, but doctors ignored it for four years. Then they were all surprised that the mass was cancerous and stage four. This is ObamaCare en-utero folks. Lose your plan, get the new expensive one, and the bone saws will still pay no attention and you end up dead. clay On Nov 1, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Craig wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 17:11:45 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Adenoma Detection Rate. Adenoma is a benign tumor of glandular tissue, such as the mucosa of stomach, small intestine, and colon, in which tumor cells form glands or glandlike structures. In hollow organs (digestive tract), the adenoma grows into the lumen - adenomatous polyp or polypoid adenoma. Depending on the type of the insertion base, adenoma may be pedunculated (lobular head with a long slender stalk) or sessile (broad base). So the fellow's rate of detecting suspicious tissue in your intestine is 13 - 19%. Is that a function of the fellow and his technology, or of the presenting population? I would presume the latter. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT but important
I have the butt doctors calling me up cold. I should put the notes on the wall and toss a dart at it to see who I go with. clay On Nov 2, 2013, at 10:46 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Well for some reason my dr sent me to get scoped about 5 years ago. That was fun I tell you. I got a letter in the mail saying it was about time to get another scope. I have not had that done. As I am a long way away from 50 I figure they are just trying to rack up a bill or something. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I think the recommended thing is to get scoped around 50, then future scopings are based on how things look the first time out. From there I believe they say every 10 years if things look good. My GP has been bugging me about it for 2-3 years. I finally gave in when the wife hassled me about it and I used it to push her into getting her hip replaced, as in I'll get a colonoscopy after you get your hip replaced. I lost that bet, but it was for a good cause. Now it's time for the payoff. Dan On Nov 2, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: For whatever it is worth my resident expert suggests those of a certain age should get scoped every so many years (and I can't remember how many but it is probably such that I need to get scoped again soon myself). --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OsamaCare. It happened during the anointed ones guard, and the people in my neck of the woods were ardent bho adorationist. Now there is an up-swelling of angered liberals claiming to no longer support Osama due to the fiasco that ACA has been on their insurance budgets. Lost plans, massive hikes in rates, with no decrease in out of pocket fees. clay On Nov 3, 2013, at 6:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: If Romney had won the election and repealed Obamacare, whom would you have blamed? On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 7:47 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Hard to say. The medical idiots identified an adenoma in my dads gut, but doctors ignored it for four years. Then they were all surprised that the mass was cancerous and stage four. This is ObamaCare en-utero folks. Lose your plan, get the new expensive one, and the bone saws will still pay no attention and you end up dead. clay On Nov 1, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Craig wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 17:11:45 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Adenoma Detection Rate. Adenoma is a benign tumor of glandular tissue, such as the mucosa of stomach, small intestine, and colon, in which tumor cells form glands or glandlike structures. In hollow organs (digestive tract), the adenoma grows into the lumen - adenomatous polyp or polypoid adenoma. Depending on the type of the insertion base, adenoma may be pedunculated (lobular head with a long slender stalk) or sessile (broad base). So the fellow's rate of detecting suspicious tissue in your intestine is 13 - 19%. Is that a function of the fellow and his technology, or of the presenting population? I would presume the latter. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT but important
My experience is to get tested. I had a history of intestinal issues since my appendectomy in 1995. Not sure if there is any connection, however the problems started soon after. At 40 I started colonoscopies anally, I mean annually. :-) Pre-cancerous signs showed up around 2008 and after several recommendations to remove my colon, I went ahead with a total colectomy. In my case it probably saved my life. But who knows? You try to make the best decisions to stay alive a little longer Michael E. Esh 231-286-2344 On Nov 1, 2013, at 9:05 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I would agree that the measure is most likely a reflection of the presenting population. I asked my Doc about the results of the procedure when he was pushing it, and was told something to the effect that this procedure results in a 5-10 % change in the mortality rate due to colon cancer. I said that that doesn't sound like a significant change. He said that in the field of medicine, that is a huge success. I've been even more skeptical of modern medicine since. I've declined the procedure, sounds like scare tactics to generate revenue more than saving my life. Now, if they do find a bad polyp and save your life, I guess it's worth it, but the odds don't seem to be in your favor. On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: So the fellow's rate of detecting suspicious tissue in your intestine is 13 - 19%. Is that a function of the fellow and his technology, or of the presenting population? I would presume the latter. -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT but important
Here is the guy who is doing most of the clinical studies regarding ADR percentages at IU. Eddie said he is the rear admiral in the Navy of gastroenterologists. http://iuhealth.org/knowledge/detail/colorectal-cancer-screening/ On Nov 1, 2013, at 8:31 PM, Craig wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 17:11:45 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Adenoma Detection Rate. Adenoma is a benign tumor of glandular tissue, such as the mucosa of stomach, small intestine, and colon, in which tumor cells form glands or glandlike structures. In hollow organs (digestive tract), the adenoma grows into the lumen - adenomatous polyp or polypoid adenoma. Depending on the type of the insertion base, adenoma may be pedunculated (lobular head with a long slender stalk) or sessile (broad base). So the fellow's rate of detecting suspicious tissue in your intestine is 13 - 19%. Is that a function of the fellow and his technology, or of the presenting population? I would presume the latter. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT but important
For whatever it is worth my resident expert suggests those of a certain age should get scoped every so many years (and I can't remember how many but it is probably such that I need to get scoped again soon myself). --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think the recommended thing is to get scoped around 50, then future scopings are based on how things look the first time out. From there I believe they say every 10 years if things look good. My GP has been bugging me about it for 2-3 years. I finally gave in when the wife hassled me about it and I used it to push her into getting her hip replaced, as in I'll get a colonoscopy after you get your hip replaced. I lost that bet, but it was for a good cause. Now it's time for the payoff. Dan On Nov 2, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: For whatever it is worth my resident expert suggests those of a certain age should get scoped every so many years (and I can't remember how many but it is probably such that I need to get scoped again soon myself). --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT but important
Well for some reason my dr sent me to get scoped about 5 years ago. That was fun I tell you. I got a letter in the mail saying it was about time to get another scope. I have not had that done. As I am a long way away from 50 I figure they are just trying to rack up a bill or something. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I think the recommended thing is to get scoped around 50, then future scopings are based on how things look the first time out. From there I believe they say every 10 years if things look good. My GP has been bugging me about it for 2-3 years. I finally gave in when the wife hassled me about it and I used it to push her into getting her hip replaced, as in I'll get a colonoscopy after you get your hip replaced. I lost that bet, but it was for a good cause. Now it's time for the payoff. Dan On Nov 2, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: For whatever it is worth my resident expert suggests those of a certain age should get scoped every so many years (and I can't remember how many but it is probably such that I need to get scoped again soon myself). --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not necessarily. If you have certain indicators, especially if you have a direct blood relative that had/has colon cancer, your predispostion for it is higher. Considering that it's a leading form of cancer and a killer if left undiagnosed, I would do it. A lot like prostate cancer, which Roger died of. Fairly easy to treat in the early stages, but will definitely kill you if left undetected. Dan On Nov 2, 2013, at 1:46 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Well for some reason my dr sent me to get scoped about 5 years ago. That was fun I tell you. I got a letter in the mail saying it was about time to get another scope. I have not had that done. As I am a long way away from 50 I figure they are just trying to rack up a bill or something. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I think the recommended thing is to get scoped around 50, then future scopings are based on how things look the first time out. From there I believe they say every 10 years if things look good. My GP has been bugging me about it for 2-3 years. I finally gave in when the wife hassled me about it and I used it to push her into getting her hip replaced, as in I'll get a colonoscopy after you get your hip replaced. I lost that bet, but it was for a good cause. Now it's time for the payoff. Dan On Nov 2, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: For whatever it is worth my resident expert suggests those of a certain age should get scoped every so many years (and I can't remember how many but it is probably such that I need to get scoped again soon myself). --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I think the recommended thing is to get scoped around 50, then future scopings are based on how things look the first time out. From there I believe they say every 10 years if things look good. My GP has been bugging me about it for 2-3 years. I finally gave in when the wife hassled me about it and I used it to push her into getting her hip replaced, as in I'll get a colonoscopy after you get your hip replaced. I lost that bet, but it was for a good cause. Now it's time for the payoff. I got scoped from both ends on the day of the Royal Wedding, 2011. Nothing much to report, but they drove the Golden Spike somewhere around my duodenum. The difference between an endoscope and a colonoscope? The flavor. -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well it is actually not a big deal other than the refrain from drinking the morning of, and the roto-rooting, which is probably not a bad thing to do anyway now and again (minus the flu or travel complaint causing it). Get the flush, go in the next morning, get some happy juice, wake up, go home and sleep, then get up and eat a huge meal. It is one of those things that is more preventative than anything, and if it catches something early then you won't die a miserable death from colon cancer or something related. You can save yourself to die more pleasantly from something else. On another note, which sorta started all this, is that everyone should get a hepatitis screening, which is some minor blood-letting. Hepatitis is now the leading cause of liver cancer, and chances of having it is pretty high no matter what your risk factors. Many people have it and have no idea as they are asymptomatic, but it is still in there creating problems. --R On 11/2/13 1:46 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Well for some reason my dr sent me to get scoped about 5 years ago. That was fun I tell you. I got a letter in the mail saying it was about time to get another scope. I have not had that done. As I am a long way away from 50 I figure they are just trying to rack up a bill or something. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I think the recommended thing is to get scoped around 50, then future scopings are based on how things look the first time out. From there I believe they say every 10 years if things look good. My GP has been bugging me about it for 2-3 years. I finally gave in when the wife hassled me about it and I used it to push her into getting her hip replaced, as in I'll get a colonoscopy after you get your hip replaced. I lost that bet, but it was for a good cause. Now it's time for the payoff. Dan On Nov 2, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: For whatever it is worth my resident expert suggests those of a certain age should get scoped every so many years (and I can't remember how many but it is probably such that I need to get scoped again soon myself). --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I had a cousin on my dads side who died of colon cancer at a young age Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2013, at 1:02 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Not necessarily. If you have certain indicators, especially if you have a direct blood relative that had/has colon cancer, your predispostion for it is higher. Considering that it's a leading form of cancer and a killer if left undiagnosed, I would do it. A lot like prostate cancer, which Roger died of. Fairly easy to treat in the early stages, but will definitely kill you if left undetected. Dan On Nov 2, 2013, at 1:46 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Well for some reason my dr sent me to get scoped about 5 years ago. That was fun I tell you. I got a letter in the mail saying it was about time to get another scope. I have not had that done. As I am a long way away from 50 I figure they are just trying to rack up a bill or something. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I think the recommended thing is to get scoped around 50, then future scopings are based on how things look the first time out. From there I believe they say every 10 years if things look good. My GP has been bugging me about it for 2-3 years. I finally gave in when the wife hassled me about it and I used it to push her into getting her hip replaced, as in I'll get a colonoscopy after you get your hip replaced. I lost that bet, but it was for a good cause. Now it's time for the payoff. Dan On Nov 2, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: For whatever it is worth my resident expert suggests those of a certain age should get scoped every so many years (and I can't remember how many but it is probably such that I need to get scoped again soon myself). --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes they did me both ends also. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2013, at 1:07 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel marme...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I think the recommended thing is to get scoped around 50, then future scopings are based on how things look the first time out. From there I believe they say every 10 years if things look good. My GP has been bugging me about it for 2-3 years. I finally gave in when the wife hassled me about it and I used it to push her into getting her hip replaced, as in I'll get a colonoscopy after you get your hip replaced. I lost that bet, but it was for a good cause. Now it's time for the payoff. I got scoped from both ends on the day of the Royal Wedding, 2011. Nothing much to report, but they drove the Golden Spike somewhere around my duodenum. The difference between an endoscope and a colonoscope? The flavor. -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rich, on the hepatitis thing, I'm a regular blood donor. Do you know if Red Cross routinely tests for this or do I need to ask my PCP to do the test. I have no reason to believe I'm at risk, but it's like you said. Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 2:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but important ... On another note, which sorta started all this, is that everyone should get a hepatitis screening, which is some minor blood-letting. Hepatitis is now the leading cause of liver cancer, and chances of having it is pretty high no matter what your risk factors. Many people have it and have no idea as they are asymptomatic, but it is still in there creating problems. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Is it a test for a specific strain of hepatitis, or just Hep B? I think I got tested in 2005 when I started at USF - they require immunizations for all incoming students. Dan On Nov 2, 2013, at 2:31 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: Rich, on the hepatitis thing, I'm a regular blood donor. Do you know if Red Cross routinely tests for this or do I need to ask my PCP to do the test. I have no reason to believe I'm at risk, but it's like you said. Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 2:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but important ... On another note, which sorta started all this, is that everyone should get a hepatitis screening, which is some minor blood-letting. Hepatitis is now the leading cause of liver cancer, and chances of having it is pretty high no matter what your risk factors. Many people have it and have no idea as they are asymptomatic, but it is still in there creating problems. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Checklist for a successful colonoscopy: 1. Temporary tattoo on the butt cheeks that says EXIT ONLY. 2. Sedative for twilight sleep during proceedure. [your doctor should be selected on this feature for the proceedure]. 3. Physical verification just before going under the staff is fully equipped with at least a gallon of lubricant and a commitment from them they will apply lubricant liberally . The worst part of the procedure is the prep which evacuates the colon for inspection. There is no way around that one. As distasteful as it is.. do it on schedule... it beats dying of colon cancer. On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I think the recommended thing is to get scoped around 50, then future scopings are based on how things look the first time out. From there I believe they say every 10 years if things look good. My GP has been bugging me about it for 2-3 years. I finally gave in when the wife hassled me about it and I used it to push her into getting her hip replaced, as in I'll get a colonoscopy after you get your hip replaced. I lost that bet, but it was for a good cause. Now it's time for the payoff. Dan On Nov 2, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: For whatever it is worth my resident expert suggests those of a certain age should get scoped every so many years (and I can't remember how many but it is probably such that I need to get scoped again soon myself). --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not sure, easy enough to get the test. Many people contract Hep C (and B apparently) without knowing it -- could be from food or something, not the usual behavioral stuff (IV drugs, that kind of sexual activity). My wife gives me a hard time on oysters and sushi so I seldom eat raw seafood any more though fresh (or roasted) orsters are a treat. --R On 11/2/13 2:31 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: Rich, on the hepatitis thing, I'm a regular blood donor. Do you know if Red Cross routinely tests for this or do I need to ask my PCP to do the test. I have no reason to believe I'm at risk, but it's like you said. Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 2:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but important ... On another note, which sorta started all this, is that everyone should get a hepatitis screening, which is some minor blood-letting. Hepatitis is now the leading cause of liver cancer, and chances of having it is pretty high no matter what your risk factors. Many people have it and have no idea as they are asymptomatic, but it is still in there creating problems. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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At 12:05 PM -0700 11/2/13, G Mann wrote: As distasteful as it is.. do it on schedule... it beats dying of colon cancer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N0w2rORwSc -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Fred beat you to this one. He posted it earlier. Dan On Nov 2, 2013, at 3:15 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel wrote: At 12:05 PM -0700 11/2/13, G Mann wrote: As distasteful as it is.. do it on schedule... it beats dying of colon cancer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N0w2rORwSc -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My wife has organized this event, and a stream of the main presentations will be starting soon. For anyone who has dealt with liver disease (and this is or will be almost all of us) this could be useful and important. Shameless plug! The CanLiv 1st International Rally for Liver Disease Awareness will be available via live streaming starting at 11:55 today! The venue is awesome. Go http://new.livestream.com/CanLiv/liverrally http://liverdiseaserally.org/about.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Is she doing something for digestive health? I just scheduled my colonoscopy. Not looking forward to it, butt you gotta do whatcha gotta do, if you know what I mean Dan Sent from my iPad On Nov 1, 2013, at 11:44 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: My wife has organized this event, and a stream of the main presentations will be starting soon. For anyone who has dealt with liver disease (and this is or will be almost all of us) this could be useful and important. Shameless plug! The CanLiv 1st International Rally for Liver Disease Awareness will be available via live streaming starting at 11:55 today! The venue is awesome. Go http://new.livestream.com/CanLiv/liverrally http://liverdiseaserally.org/about.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yeah, I fix a good dinner every night. Hope everything comes out OK! --R On 11/1/13 12:28 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Is she doing something for digestive health? I just scheduled my colonoscopy. Not looking forward to it, butt you gotta do whatcha gotta do, if you know what I mean Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That works. I set it up for the Tuesday before Thanksgiving. I figure that will give me lots of room for Thanksgiving gluttony. Dan Sent from my iPad On Nov 1, 2013, at 12:51 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Yeah, I fix a good dinner every night. Hope everything comes out OK! --R On 11/1/13 12:28 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Is she doing something for digestive health? I just scheduled my colonoscopy. Not looking forward to it, butt you gotta do whatcha gotta do, if you know what I mean Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 13:00:25 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: That works. I set it up for the Tuesday before Thanksgiving. I figure that will give me lots of room for Thanksgiving gluttony. I've been through it and found it not too bad. Some people have problems with the prep. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have to prep starting on Sunday. He said I could wait until Monday morning, but I am off all that week so I figure I'll start a little bit ahead so I'm nice and clean inside. I was asking about his ADR percentage, which he said was in the high teens. He prefaced it by stating that this measurement can be skewed by patients who don't prep properly or with enough time, so it's not an absolute when you come to comparing doctors. In fact, he said that it's not beyond him to start and see that someone hasn't prepped well and stop the procedure, something he said that other doctors might not do. He said that he's had more than one patient who he has told to reschedule the procedure if they're not clean because they cheated when it came to the prep. I picked this guy carefully. I wanted someone who had privileges at Tampa General, the leading teaching hospital in the area. In the part of town I live in, all the local practitioners go to a smaller suburban hospital that has a less than stellar reputation. He only schedules two patients an hour, so I had a good 20 minutes (or more if I wanted it) to speak with him. Dan On Nov 1, 2013, at 3:44 PM, Craig wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 13:00:25 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: That works. I set it up for the Tuesday before Thanksgiving. I figure that will give me lots of room for Thanksgiving gluttony. I've been through it and found it not too bad. Some people have problems with the prep. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I had one some years ago. Woke up in the middle of the procedure, saw the monitor and my innards, thought it was pretty cool, mildly felt something squirming around inside. Kinda grunted a bit, the doc said. I think he woke up, better give him a bit more to the nurse. I actually was kinda excited to see what was going on but it only lasted about 3 seconds. It's funny, I can remember that very clearly but can't remember anything for hour or two after, my wife was driving me home and at one point told me I had asked her the same question 3 times already. I do remember her saying that but not what the question was. I do remember the doc coming after and explaining the whole thing, but couldn't remember a word of what he told me. Later on I asked wifey what he had said, she asked if I couldn't remember, and try as I might I could not remember anything about what he said other than he said something. HAPPYHAPPYHAPPY!!! --R On 11/1/13 4:03 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: I have to prep starting on Sunday. He said I could wait until Monday morning, but I am off all that week so I figure I'll start a little bit ahead so I'm nice and clean inside. I was asking about his ADR percentage, which he said was in the high teens. He prefaced it by stating that this measurement can be skewed by patients who don't prep properly or with enough time, so it's not an absolute when you come to comparing doctors. In fact, he said that it's not beyond him to start and see that someone hasn't prepped well and stop the procedure, something he said that other doctors might not do. He said that he's had more than one patient who he has told to reschedule the procedure if they're not clean because they cheated when it came to the prep. I picked this guy carefully. I wanted someone who had privileges at Tampa General, the leading teaching hospital in the area. In the part of town I live in, all the local practitioners go to a smaller suburban hospital that has a less than stellar reputation. He only schedules two patients an hour, so I had a good 20 minutes (or more if I wanted it) to speak with him. Dan On Nov 1, 2013, at 3:44 PM, Craig wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 13:00:25 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: That works. I set it up for the Tuesday before Thanksgiving. I figure that will give me lots of room for Thanksgiving gluttony. I've been through it and found it not too bad. Some people have problems with the prep. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 01/11/2013 3:03 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: I have to prep starting on Sunday. He said I could wait until Monday morning, but I am off all that week so I figure I'll start a little bit ahead so I'm nice and clean inside. I was asking about his ADR percentage, which he said was in the high teens. He prefaced it by stating that this measurement can be skewed by patients who don't prep properly or with enough time, so it's not an absolute when you come to comparing doctors. In fact, he said that it's not beyond him to start and see that someone hasn't prepped well and stop the procedure, something he said that other doctors might not do. He said that he's had more than one patient who he has told to reschedule the procedure if they're not clean because they cheated when it came to the prep. I picked this guy carefully. I wanted someone who had privileges at Tampa General, the leading teaching hospital in the area. In the part of town I live in, all the local practitioners go to a smaller suburban hospital that has a less than stellar reputation. He only schedules two patients an hour, so I had a good 20 minutes (or more if I wanted it) to speak with him. Dan Have you had one of these procedures before? I have been there twice as my poor father had bowel cancer. The first time was not much of an issue. The prep is not a lot of fun but the procedure was not too bad. I declined the sedative and watched the monitor throughout. Very interesting. The second time was not as good. Same doctor and procedure and again, I declined and watched and again very interesting, but he seemd to fill me with more gas that time and it was thus unpleasant afterwards for about half a day. Deep belly pains until I was able to rid myself of the gas. They use the gas to inflate the bowel to help turn corners if I understand correctly. The good news is that he did not see any problems on either occasion and did not punch any holes in me either. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 01/11/2013 3:13 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: I had one some years ago. Woke up in the middle of the procedure, saw the monitor and my innards, thought it was pretty cool, mildly felt something squirming around inside. Kinda grunted a bit, the doc said. I think he woke up, better give him a bit more to the nurse. I actually was kinda excited to see what was going on but it only lasted about 3 seconds. It's funny, I can remember that very clearly but can't remember anything for hour or two after, my wife was driving me home and at one point told me I had asked her the same question 3 times already. I do remember her saying that but not what the question was. I do remember the doc coming after and explaining the whole thing, but couldn't remember a word of what he told me. Later on I asked wifey what he had said, she asked if I couldn't remember, and try as I might I could not remember anything about what he said other than he said something. HAPPYHAPPYHAPPY!!! --R That was why I declined the sedative. The first time, the assistant asked me if I wanted something to relax me. My response was, essentially, you tell me. I have not done this before. She said, if I was really nervous about it, then it was probably a good idea, but that I should not feel any real discomfort if I did not have the sedative. She also told me I would likely be pretty much useless for the rest of the day if I did have it. That was what caused me to decline as this was early morning and I had things to do later. I had a procedure years back that I always have trouble remembering the name of. Angio something? They put a probe in through an artery in the groin area and have a look at your heart. I was sedated for that and remember them telling me I could watch it on the monitor but really don't recall anything until it was over and the doctor was leaning over me and telling me it was good news and all was well. I was disappointed that I did not get to watch. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 16:03:13 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I was asking about his ADR percentage, which he said was in the high teens. ADR? Adverse Drug Reaction? Ain't Doing Right? Abstract Data Repository? Aircraft Direction Room? Alcohol and Drug Recovery? Automated Dynamic Reconfiguration? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT but important
On 01/11/2013 3:26 PM, Craig wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 16:03:13 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I was asking about his ADR percentage, which he said was in the high teens. ADR? Adverse Drug Reaction? Ain't Doing Right? Abstract Data Repository? Aircraft Direction Room? Alcohol and Drug Recovery? Automated Dynamic Reconfiguration? Craig A**h*le Deep Reconaisance? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT but important
Adenoma Detection Rate. Brother of a former girlfriend is a pathologist at IU Med Center. I consult him whenever someone in the family is having any sort of procedure. He got me connected with some information from a study an IU gastroenterologist he knows did on devising a way to rate the effectiveness of a practitioner when it came to colonoscopies and how effective they were. Dan On Nov 1, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 01/11/2013 3:26 PM, Craig wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 16:03:13 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I was asking about his ADR percentage, which he said was in the high teens. ADR? Adverse Drug Reaction? Ain't Doing Right? Abstract Data Repository? Aircraft Direction Room? Alcohol and Drug Recovery? Automated Dynamic Reconfiguration? Craig A**h*le Deep Reconaisance? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT but important
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 17:11:45 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Adenoma Detection Rate. Adenoma is a benign tumor of glandular tissue, such as the mucosa of stomach, small intestine, and colon, in which tumor cells form glands or glandlike structures. In hollow organs (digestive tract), the adenoma grows into the lumen - adenomatous polyp or polypoid adenoma. Depending on the type of the insertion base, adenoma may be pedunculated (lobular head with a long slender stalk) or sessile (broad base). So the fellow's rate of detecting suspicious tissue in your intestine is 13 - 19%. Is that a function of the fellow and his technology, or of the presenting population? I would presume the latter. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Have you had one of these procedures before? I was on the eyepiece end of one of those back in HS. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I would agree that the measure is most likely a reflection of the presenting population. I asked my Doc about the results of the procedure when he was pushing it, and was told something to the effect that this procedure results in a 5-10 % change in the mortality rate due to colon cancer. I said that that doesn't sound like a significant change. He said that in the field of medicine, that is a huge success. I've been even more skeptical of modern medicine since. I've declined the procedure, sounds like scare tactics to generate revenue more than saving my life. Now, if they do find a bad polyp and save your life, I guess it's worth it, but the odds don't seem to be in your favor. On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: So the fellow's rate of detecting suspicious tissue in your intestine is 13 - 19%. Is that a function of the fellow and his technology, or of the presenting population? I would presume the latter. -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT but important
Even with those odds you can only benefit, unless the procedure is botched. On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 9:05 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I would agree that the measure is most likely a reflection of the presenting population. I asked my Doc about the results of the procedure when he was pushing it, and was told something to the effect that this procedure results in a 5-10 % change in the mortality rate due to colon cancer. I said that that doesn't sound like a significant change. He said that in the field of medicine, that is a huge success. I've been even more skeptical of modern medicine since. I've declined the procedure, sounds like scare tactics to generate revenue more than saving my life. Now, if they do find a bad polyp and save your life, I guess it's worth it, but the odds don't seem to be in your favor. On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: So the fellow's rate of detecting suspicious tissue in your intestine is 13 - 19%. Is that a function of the fellow and his technology, or of the presenting population? I would presume the latter. -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT but important
There is risk in both the procedure and the cleaning operation, though I don't have those numbers. You also increase your risk every time you set foot in a doctor's office. On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 8:26 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: Even with those odds you can only benefit, unless the procedure is botched. -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT but important
Dan wrote: I just scheduled my colonoscopy. Not looking forward to it, butt you gotta do whatcha gotta do, if you know what I mean Really? Using SnapOn or Hazet devices - all in the DIY spirit... I have years on you, but have never been interested in knowing about what is inside. As all good americans have done in previous generations... die already! With the Stealers gaining influence and writing law and regulations, insco reigns and places fear in all of us regarding what is real, all too real, r.i.p. Woger. Without insco or obama - I don't know and will DIY whatever I can to live... without this gig... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OK Don wrote: You also increase your risk every time you set foot in a doctor's office. Seriously. DIY is the way most people on the planet do these things. They follow the well honed family ways of people around them - it works. Our tech and snooping eye may not do the best for us, in the end... if you know what I'm sayin' Eat well, move much, don't eat bad, live, then die - seems to be the way most people make it, r.i.p. Woger. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT but important
This must be the season for colonoscopies. I'll be seeing a gastro on Tuesday and will probably be scheduled then. About ten years ago he found a polyp and removed it. Had I not had the colonoscopy then, I most likely wouldn't be here today; having died a protracted and painful death. I'm overdue for this one due to having had kidney surgery, but since I haven't had anymore polyps since the first one was removed, there is reason to be optimistic. Gerry From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com I have to prep starting on Sunday. He said I could wait until Monday morning, but I am off all that week so I figure I'll start a little bit ahead so I'm nice and clean inside. I was asking about his ADR percentage, which he said was in the high teens. He prefaced it by stating that this measurement can be skewed by patients who don't prep properly or with enough time, so it's not an absolute when you come to comparing doctors. In fact, he said that it's not beyond him to start and see that someone hasn't prepped well and stop the procedure, something he said that other doctors might not do. He said that he's had more than one patient who he has told to reschedule the procedure if they're not clean because they cheated when it came to the prep. I picked this guy carefully. I wanted someone who had privileges at Tampa General, the leading teaching hospital in the area. In the part of town I live in, all the local practitioners go to a smaller suburban hospital that has a less than stellar reputation. He only schedules two patients an hour, so I had a good 20 minutes (or more if I wanted it) to speak with him. Dan On Nov 1, 2013, at 3:44 PM, Craig wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 13:00:25 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: That works. I set it up for the Tuesday before Thanksgiving. I figure that will give me lots of room for Thanksgiving gluttony. I've been through it and found it not too bad. Some people have problems with the prep. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3615/6799 - Release Date: 11/01/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: another important lesson
It seems than at Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:09:00 -0700 (PDT), Curt wrote: A couple weeks ago my wife and I shot a wedding video. Sucker! I have shot _many_ weddings - both still and motion. 'Tis a tough market that I try hard to avoid. The bride is in view but only barely, theres a mountain in the background which seems to be the focal point of the shot. ...and fortunately I can use her audio. Nope. I dunno why but she stops the camera every time the minister pauses... So the second camera footage is about useless. Which is bad because I was counting on it, my camera doesn't barely pick up the minister's audio at all... Well, crap. This is the problem with weddings of course, I can't very well reshoot... Change the subject to a theater play production, and the second camera operator from wife to friend of the piano player, and your story sound a _lot_ like my experience! The theater is even an old church building! Unless someone has edited, the phrase Don't _ever_ push pause. doesn't seem to sink in... Lately I have taken to using my laptop to record audio. arecord piped to flac (from a console prompt, without X even running) - the whole think on one big audio file to use as the foundation for the video editing. It's worked well. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: another important lesson
So do you ever get to do the honeymoon shoot as well? Hendrik who should get his mind out of the gutter Fmiser wrote: It seems than at Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:09:00 -0700 (PDT), Curt wrote: A couple weeks ago my wife and I shot a wedding video. Sucker! I have shot _many_ weddings - both still and motion. 'Tis a tough market that I try hard to avoid. The bride is in view but only barely, theres a mountain in the background which seems to be the focal point of the shot. ...and fortunately I can use her audio. Nope. I dunno why but she stops the camera every time the minister pauses... So the second camera footage is about useless. Which is bad because I was counting on it, my camera doesn't barely pick up the minister's audio at all... Well, crap. This is the problem with weddings of course, I can't very well reshoot... Change the subject to a theater play production, and the second camera operator from wife to friend of the piano player, and your story sound a _lot_ like my experience! The theater is even an old church building! Unless someone has edited, the phrase Don't _ever_ push pause. doesn't seem to sink in... Lately I have taken to using my laptop to record audio. arecord piped to flac (from a console prompt, without X even running) - the whole think on one big audio file to use as the foundation for the video editing. It's worked well. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: another important lesson
A couple weeks ago my wife and I shot a wedding video. The guy cheaped out a little and wouldn't pay for a second camera operator so I had my wife do it. I said if nothing else keep the camera running and keep the bride in view, don't zoom around alot. Big mistake on my part... The bride is in view but only barely, theres a mountain in the background which seems to be the focal point of the shot. Well okay, we've got my camera, I can use her's occasionally for quick cut aways and fortunately I can use her audio. Nope. I dunno why but she stops the camera every time the minister pauses but can't get it going fast enough when he picks up again so she misses the first couple words every time. So the second camera footage is about useless. Which is bad because I was counting on it, my camera doesn't barely pick up the minister's audio at all... Well, crap. This is the problem with weddings of course, I can't very well reshoot... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: another important lesson
Use Photoshop and online audio for dubbing-or get copy of prayer book and read a laydown audio track to minister's lip synching. No one was paying close attention anyway. FWIW. Star Motors and Shellfish Co. Shucking but no Jiving Dwight Giles, Jr Bissell Cove Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 12:09 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] OT: another important lesson A couple weeks ago my wife and I shot a wedding video. The guy cheaped out a little and wouldn't pay for a second camera operator so I had my wife do it. I said if nothing else keep the camera running and keep the bride in view, don't zoom around alot. Big mistake on my part... The bride is in view but only barely, theres a mountain in the background which seems to be the focal point of the shot. Well okay, we've got my camera, I can use her's occasionally for quick cut aways and fortunately I can use her audio. Nope. I dunno why but she stops the camera every time the minister pauses but can't get it going fast enough when he picks up again so she misses the first couple words every time. So the second camera footage is about useless. Which is bad because I was counting on it, my camera doesn't barely pick up the minister's audio at all... Well, crap. This is the problem with weddings of course, I can't very well reshoot... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: another important lesson
That's a case where you look it on a tripod, and just let it run. I've rarely been happy with on-camera mikes for audio - that's what wireless mikes are for. Too late now though - yeah, I hated shooting weddings. Don't do it anymore. A couple weeks ago my wife and I shot a wedding video. The guy cheaped out a little and wouldn't pay for a second camera operator so I had my wife do it. I said if nothing else keep the camera running and keep the bride in view, don't zoom around alot. Big mistake on my part... The bride is in view but only barely, theres a mountain in the background which seems to be the focal point of the shot. Well okay, we've got my camera, I can use her's occasionally for quick cut aways and fortunately I can use her audio. Nope. I dunno why but she stops the camera every time the minister pauses but can't get it going fast enough when he picks up again so she misses the first couple words every time. So the second camera footage is about useless. Which is bad because I was counting on it, my camera doesn't barely pick up the minister's audio at all... Well, crap. This is the problem with weddings of course, I can't very well reshoot... -Curt -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: another important lesson
That was supposed to be how it would work but we kept having to run inside from rain so when she setup the last time I didn't have time to reset the shot. The sound from the camera mic was surprisingly good when my wife could keep her hands off the camera -Curt Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:13:42 -0500 From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: another important lesson To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 That's a case where you look it on a tripod, and just let it run. I've rarely been happy with on-camera mikes for audio - that's what wireless mikes are for. Too late now though - yeah, I hated shooting weddings. Don't do it anymore. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
