subject:"\[MBZ\] OT fedora server"

Re: [MBZ] OT fedora server

2012-05-11 Thread Benz Hogs

It's rather easy to blank a Windoze password.  I have a bootable USB 
thumb drive that I use for that


Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
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On 4/23/2012 9:45 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

Thanks Ed, and all.

The consensus is to install the winders server or install it as a VM on
a lightweight host. Now all I need is time to git'er done.

The company closed, building was sold. New owner will be making similar
product so some info on the existing computers might be useful, so it is
good to keep that info available. Plan is to use Acronis product to make
an image of each existing desktop, Save to dvd and server. Wipe drives,
and do clean installs of XP and software. On hearty enough machines,
install VM with the old machine restored with its image.

So far all I have managed to do is crack passwords and look at what is
there. Today I did the accounting machine. Being a manufacturing
business, this one computer was basically
the heat of the companies info. I found the administrator was ___
Yep, blank password. Wow! I am guessing someone else already broke it.

I have seen lots of things that make it little wonder the business went
under.






Plenty of people have pointed out SAMBA, and SAMBA makes a great drop in
replacement for a Windows SMB file server environment. However, I think
everyone has conveniently glossed over what you are actually asking for,
group policies.

I work for a medium business with multiple locations with an eclectic mix
of operating systems. I'm here to tell you that our Windows desktops talk
to a Windows server specifically for group policy reasons. Our *NIX
servers, regardless of what flavor, don't talk to the desktops directly.

GPO works via an implicit trust relationship between server and
workstation. *NIX has a lot of Windows networking replacement parts, but
there is no way to implement the implicit trust relationship that is
required to perform Active Directory group policy decisions. There *are*
ways to force them from *NIX, but they are all very cludgy.

To sum up, if you are installing this for a client that wants and Active
Directory trusted domain, install Windows Server and save yourself the
headache.

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Re: [MBZ] OT fedora server

2012-05-11 Thread Walt Zarnoch

If it can wait a day, I just use one of the many rainbow table services
(loginrecovery free edition, etc) and get the original pass.

Or I boot the NTHack floppy/cd and do some registry manipulation! :D

Walt
On May 11, 2012 9:31 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:

It's rather easy to blank a Windoze password. I have a bootable USB thumb
drive that I use for that

Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'87 300SDL (325,xxx mi)

On 4/23/2012 9:45 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

Thanks Ed, and all.

The consensus is to install the winders server or install it as a VM on
a lightweight host. Now all I need is time to git'er done.

The company closed, building was sold. New owner will be making similar
product so some info on the existing computers might be useful, so it is
good to keep that info available. Plan is to use Acronis product to make
an image of each existing desktop, Save to dvd and server. Wipe drives,
and do clean installs of XP and software. On hearty enough machines,
install VM with the old machine restored with its image.

So far all I have managed to do is crack passwords and look at what is
there. Today I did the accounting machine. Being a manufacturing
business, this one computer was basically
the heat of the companies info. I found the administrator was ___
Yep, blank password. Wow! I am guessing someone else already broke it.

I have seen lots of things that make it little wonder the business went
under.

Plenty of people have pointed out SAMBA, and SAMBA makes a great drop in
replacement for a Windows SMB file server environment. However, I think
everyone has conveniently glossed over what you are actually asking for,
group policies.

I work for a medium business with multiple locations with an eclectic mix
of operating systems. I'm here to tell you that our Windows desktops talk
to a Windows server specifically for group policy reasons. Our *NIX
servers, regardless of what flavor, don't talk to the desktops directly.

GPO works via an implicit trust relationship between server and
workstation. *NIX has a lot of Windows networking replacement parts, but
there is no way to implement the implicit trust relationship that is
required to perform Active Directory group policy decisions. There *are*
ways to force them from *NIX, but they are all very cludgy.

To sum up, if you are installing this for a client that wants and Active
Directory trusted domain, install Windows Server and save yourself the
headache.

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Re: [MBZ] OT fedora server

2012-04-24 Thread Dieselhead


Thanks Ed, and all.

The consensus is to install the winders server or install it as a VM 
on a lightweight host.Now all I need is time to git'er done.


The company closed, building was sold.  New owner will be making 
similar product so some info on the existing computers might be 
useful, so it is good to keep that info available.   Plan is to use 
Acronis product to make an image of each existing desktop, Save to 
dvd and server.  Wipe drives, and do clean installs of XP and 
software.  On hearty enough machines, install VM with the old machine 
restored with its image.


So far all I have managed to do is crack passwords and look at what 
is there.  Today I did the accounting machine.  Being a manufacturing 
business, this one computer was basically
 the heat of the companies info.  I found the administrator was 
___  Yep, blank password.  Wow!  I am guessing someone else 
already broke it.


I have seen lots of things that make it little wonder the business went under.






Plenty of people have pointed out SAMBA, and SAMBA makes a great drop in
replacement for a Windows SMB file server environment. However, I think
everyone has conveniently glossed over what you are actually asking for,
group policies.

I work for a medium business with multiple locations with an eclectic mix
of operating systems. I'm here to tell you that our Windows desktops talk
to a Windows server specifically for group policy reasons. Our *NIX
servers, regardless of what flavor, don't talk to the desktops directly.

GPO works via an implicit trust relationship between server and
workstation. *NIX has a lot of Windows networking replacement parts, but
there is no way to implement the implicit trust relationship that is
required to perform Active Directory group policy decisions. There *are*
ways to force them from *NIX, but they are all very cludgy.

To sum up, if you are installing this for a client that wants and Active
Directory trusted domain, install Windows Server and save yourself the
headache.

--
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Re: [MBZ] OT fedora server

2012-04-24 Thread Dave Walton

Also consider using the free VMware Converter to create virtual machines for 
each of the running servers and workstations. You can run the free VMware 
player to boot them up to make sure they are working. 

I have had issues in the past converting domain controllers. They stop working 
after the built in certificates expire. Not sure if that's still an issue. If 
so install from scratch then promote to a DC and move all the roles over 
manually.

Dave Walton


On Apr 23, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks Ed, and all.
 
 The consensus is to install the winders server or install it as a VM on a 
 lightweight host.Now all I need is time to git'er done.
 
 The company closed, building was sold.  New owner will be making similar 
 product so some info on the existing computers might be useful, so it is good 
 to keep that info available.   Plan is to use Acronis product to make an 
 image of each existing desktop, Save to dvd and server.  Wipe drives, and do 
 clean installs of XP and software.  On hearty enough machines, install VM 
 with the old machine restored with its image.
 
 So far all I have managed to do is crack passwords and look at what is there. 
  Today I did the accounting machine.  Being a manufacturing business, this 
 one computer was basically
 the heat of the companies info.  I found the administrator was ___  Yep, 
 blank password.  Wow!  I am guessing someone else already broke it.
 
 I have seen lots of things that make it little wonder the business went under.
 
 
 
 
 
 Plenty of people have pointed out SAMBA, and SAMBA makes a great drop in
 replacement for a Windows SMB file server environment. However, I think
 everyone has conveniently glossed over what you are actually asking for,
 group policies.
 
 I work for a medium business with multiple locations with an eclectic mix
 of operating systems. I'm here to tell you that our Windows desktops talk
 to a Windows server specifically for group policy reasons. Our *NIX
 servers, regardless of what flavor, don't talk to the desktops directly.
 
 GPO works via an implicit trust relationship between server and
 workstation. *NIX has a lot of Windows networking replacement parts, but
 there is no way to implement the implicit trust relationship that is
 required to perform Active Directory group policy decisions. There *are*
 ways to force them from *NIX, but they are all very cludgy.
 
 To sum up, if you are installing this for a client that wants and Active
 Directory trusted domain, install Windows Server and save yourself the
 headache.
 
 --
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Re: [MBZ] OT fedora server

2012-04-24 Thread Dieselhead


No DCs in the existing setup.  Just peer to peer   Good info to know.  Thanks


Also consider using the free VMware Converter to create virtual 
machines for each of the running servers and workstations. You can 
run the free VMware player to boot them up to make sure they are 
working.


I have had issues in the past converting domain controllers. They 
stop working after the built in certificates expire. Not sure if 
that's still an issue. If so install from scratch then promote to a 
DC and move all the roles over manually.


Dave Walton


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Re: [MBZ] OT fedora server

2012-04-23 Thread Ed Booher

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

  picked up a dell 2650 with a fresh install of fedora.  Anybody familiar
 with this OS for a server?

 I am wondering if it has something like AD group policies similar to M$
 Server 2000/2003/2008.  If so, I can learn to use it.  Otherwise I can put
 2003R2 on it.

 Its intended use will be data storage for a small business with 4 or 5
 computers (XP) and same number of users.  Fortunately none of the computers
 I have looked at so far are Wissta.

 I would like to use the GPOs to redirect the users' My Documents to the
 server, among other things.  (such as severely restricting what users can
 do.)


Plenty of people have pointed out SAMBA, and SAMBA makes a great drop in
replacement for a Windows SMB file server environment. However, I think
everyone has conveniently glossed over what you are actually asking for,
group policies.

I work for a medium business with multiple locations with an eclectic mix
of operating systems. I'm here to tell you that our Windows desktops talk
to a Windows server specifically for group policy reasons. Our *NIX
servers, regardless of what flavor, don't talk to the desktops directly.

GPO works via an implicit trust relationship between server and
workstation. *NIX has a lot of Windows networking replacement parts, but
there is no way to implement the implicit trust relationship that is
required to perform Active Directory group policy decisions. There *are*
ways to force them from *NIX, but they are all very cludgy.

To sum up, if you are installing this for a client that wants and Active
Directory trusted domain, install Windows Server and save yourself the
headache.

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Re: [MBZ] OT fedora server

2012-04-23 Thread Walt Zarnoch

http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Samba4/HOWTO#Implementing_Group_Policies_.28GPO.29_in_a_Samba4_domain

Hope that helps!

Walt

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

picked up a dell 2650 with a fresh install of fedora. Anybody familiar
with this OS for a server?

I am wondering if it has something like AD group policies similar to M$
Server 2000/2003/2008. If so, I can learn to use it. Otherwise I can put
2003R2 on it.

Its intended use will be data storage for a small business with 4 or 5
computers (XP) and same number of users. Fortunately none of the computers
I have looked at so far are Wissta.

I would like to use the GPOs to redirect the users' My Documents to the
server, among other things. (such as severely restricting what users can
do.)

To sum up, if you are installing this for a client that wants and Active
Directory trusted domain, install Windows Server and save yourself the
headache.

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Re: [MBZ] OT fedora server

2012-04-23 Thread David Bruckmann

There are a few GPO options for *nix, some better than others:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/24/group_policy_implementation/


On Apr 16, 2012 11:32 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

  picked up a dell 2650 with a fresh install of fedora.  Anybody familiar
 with this OS for a server?

 I am wondering if it has something like AD group policies similar to M$
 Server 2000/2003/2008.  If so, I can learn to use it.  Otherwise I can put
 2003R2 on it.

 Its intended use will be data storage for a small business with 4 or 5
 computers (XP) and same number of users.  Fortunately none of the computers
 I have looked at so far are Wissta.

 I would like to use the GPOs to redirect the users' My Documents to the
 server, among other things.  (such as severely restricting what users can
 do.)

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Re: [MBZ] OT fedora server

2012-04-19 Thread Dieselhead


Seems like the consensus is wipe and install 2003R2.

Two more questions:
1.  would it be worth considering an install of linux and then run 
server 2003R2 as a VM?  Or is that just wasting resources?  Dell 2650 
xeon 2.8 4 gig memory.
2.  Has anyone heard of insurance costing more if the business is 
running open source software?




Not to be a snob, but I wouldn't use Fedora; use CentOS or Debian for a
production server.  Fedora is a test distribution, so while it's as stable
as, say, VistaSP1, it's not quite a real server IMO.

That said, since the user is used to Windows and is otherwise going to be
running Windows, I'd use the 2003 license and never look back.  It is hard
to get an IT guy who knows both Windows and Linux well, and even if you get
it set up at first they will hate you forever - plus they will have to call
you for every little thing, and resent every billable minute.

Now, you could set up 2003 in a VM as the DC (or use an existing external
server if there is one?), and then share the file systems from Linux using
Samba.  From Windows' perspective the Linux box is just another machine in
the domain so you could certainly do redirects.  That setup would be easy
enough to maintain with good performance, but honestly it strikes me as
over-complicated for such a small user base.

You can set up permissions on Linux shares, but once you start into DC/BDC
the Windows servers are really the way to go.

Best,
Tim
On Apr 16, 2012 11:32 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:


  picked up a dell 2650 with a fresh install of fedora.  Anybody familiar
 with this OS for a server?

 I am wondering if it has something like AD group policies similar to M$
 Server 2000/2003/2008.  If so, I can learn to use it.  Otherwise I can put
 2003R2 on it.

 Its intended use will be data storage for a small business with 4 or 5
 computers (XP) and same number of users.  Fortunately none of the computers
 I have looked at so far are Wissta.

 I would like to use the GPOs to redirect the users' My Documents to the
 server, among other things.  (such as severely restricting what users can

  do.)
 


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Re: [MBZ] OT fedora server

2012-04-19 Thread Dave Walton

You are absolutely further ahead if you start with a virtualized platform. Use 
ESXi (free) as the operating system and load 2003 on it in a VM. It's much more 
stable than running windows or Linux as the host. The overhead is minimal. In 
fact it de-duplucates memory blocks so if you have 2 VMs running the same OS, 
it will use less memory than the sum of it's parts. 

You will need to use a different workstation to log in to the virtualized 
machine. Under ESXi the console is a stripped down custom Linux kernel used for 
maintenance and loading drivers. You need to run their custom interface to get 
to the console of the VM for BIOS level access. Once you get things running you 
can use remote desktop or LogMeIn, or whatever. 

-Dave Walton

On Apr 19, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 Seems like the consensus is wipe and install 2003R2.
 
 Two more questions:
 1.  would it be worth considering an install of linux and then run server 
 2003R2 as a VM?  Or is that just wasting resources?  Dell 2650 xeon 2.8 4 gig 
 memory.
 2.  Has anyone heard of insurance costing more if the business is running 
 open source software?
 
 
 Not to be a snob, but I wouldn't use Fedora; use CentOS or Debian for a
 production server.  Fedora is a test distribution, so while it's as stable
 as, say, VistaSP1, it's not quite a real server IMO.
 
 That said, since the user is used to Windows and is otherwise going to be
 running Windows, I'd use the 2003 license and never look back.  It is hard
 to get an IT guy who knows both Windows and Linux well, and even if you get
 it set up at first they will hate you forever - plus they will have to call
 you for every little thing, and resent every billable minute.
 
 Now, you could set up 2003 in a VM as the DC (or use an existing external
 server if there is one?), and then share the file systems from Linux using
 Samba.  From Windows' perspective the Linux box is just another machine in
 the domain so you could certainly do redirects.  That setup would be easy
 enough to maintain with good performance, but honestly it strikes me as
 over-complicated for such a small user base.
 
 You can set up permissions on Linux shares, but once you start into DC/BDC
 the Windows servers are really the way to go.
 
 Best,
 Tim
 On Apr 16, 2012 11:32 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  picked up a dell 2650 with a fresh install of fedora.  Anybody familiar
 with this OS for a server?
 
 I am wondering if it has something like AD group policies similar to M$
 Server 2000/2003/2008.  If so, I can learn to use it.  Otherwise I can put
 2003R2 on it.
 
 Its intended use will be data storage for a small business with 4 or 5
 computers (XP) and same number of users.  Fortunately none of the computers
 I have looked at so far are Wissta.
 
 I would like to use the GPOs to redirect the users' My Documents to the
 server, among other things.  (such as severely restricting what users can
  do.)
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT fedora server

2012-04-19 Thread Craig

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:47:10 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 2.  Has anyone heard of insurance costing more if the business is 
 running open source software?

Say what?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT fedora server

2012-04-19 Thread Tim C

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
 Seems like the consensus is wipe and install 2003R2.

 Two more questions:
 1.  would it be worth considering an install of linux and then run server
 2003R2 as a VM?  Or is that just wasting resources?  Dell 2650 xeon 2.8 4
 gig memory.

On that machine I would either:
 - run ESXi with 2003 as a guest with the appropriate roles, and then
a CentOS server as another guest for file serving, or
 - run 2003 bare metal and use it as a file server directly.

As Dave says I wouldn't run VMWare server inside another OS.  I don't
know if your 2650 is 64-bit, and if it is if it supports 64-bit
virtualization; if you want to break 4GB or install a 64b Windows
version (like 2008R2) you might have to run on bare metal, I know
there were at least a couple generations of HPs from this era that
were this way.  You will need to check your server against the ESXi
4.0+ HCL, unfortunately I'm coming up empty - I'm sure someone will
know if you google the Xeon revision.

At home I used to have a setup like the first, but recently switched
over to the second (well, 2008 but the same idea).  For security and
reliability the first is better, but for me it's harder to maintain
two servers well. [That said I do miss being able to roll back OS
changes and creating duplicate servers before deployment.]

And despite what I said above, I will probably install VMWare server
on Windows and move my remaining Linux VM; it seems silly to keep
powering my ESXi machine with one VM on it. :) Still that's a
management VM, not production; I wouldn't want to have a production
file server under an OS-based virtualization technology.  Windows is
serving my file shares at this point, and doing an okay job, though of
course there are only five of us in the house and son2 can't use a
computer reliably. :)

Best,
-Tim

 2.  Has anyone heard of insurance costing more if the business is running
 open source software?

Honestly never thought about it.  Seems like it would be the reverse,
since Windows is (or at least used to be) more likely to be subject to
virus/exploit attacks.

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Re: [MBZ] OT fedora server

2012-04-19 Thread Dieselhead

Is the setup of ESXi strictly command line?  if so, is there a sample 
somewhere of the commands to set it up and install a vm, then start 
that vm?


There is only one *nix command I remember because it is so unlike the 
commands of other os's for the same thing: delete a file is rm 
(filename).   It took me so long to find out what the rm command was 
that I still remember it.


There is no way I will get  along with a command line thing unless 
there example cheatsheets that I can copy and change the variables 
like the machine names, IP number, subnet mask, etc.



You are absolutely further ahead if you start with a virtualized 
platform. Use ESXi (free) as the operating system and load 2003 on 
it in a VM. It's much more stable than running windows or Linux as 
the host. The overhead is minimal. In fact it de-duplucates memory 
blocks so if you have 2 VMs running the same OS, it will use less 
memory than the sum of it's parts.


You will need to use a different workstation to log in to the 
virtualized machine. Under ESXi the console is a stripped down 
custom Linux kernel used for maintenance and loading drivers. You 
need to run their custom interface to get to the console of the VM 
for BIOS level access. Once you get things running you can use 
remote desktop or LogMeIn, or whatever.


-Dave Walton

On Apr 19, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:


 Seems like the consensus is wipe and install 2003R2.

 Two more questions:
 1.  would it be worth considering an install of linux and then run 
server 2003R2 as a VM?  Or is that just wasting resources?  Dell 
2650 xeon 2.8 4 gig memory.
  2.  Has anyone heard of insurance costing more if the business is 
running open source software?

 


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Re: [MBZ] OT fedora server

2012-04-19 Thread Dieselhead

A friend of mine said he has seen instances of insurance companies 
charging more if the business uses linux, open office/libre office 
and so forth.  I am wondering if anyone who uses open source in 
business has heard of any of this.  It could be localized, or it 
could be regional or national.




On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:47:10 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:


 2.  Has anyone heard of insurance costing more if the business is
 running open source software?


Say what?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT fedora server

2012-04-19 Thread Dave Walton

Should cost less. Years ago I worked for a CAD company in Boston. When 
customers came to us saying their computers were stolen or burned or whatever 
we had to remind them to include the software cost as part of their insurance 
claim. The program was licensed to a particular processor and they cut no one 
any slack. Sun had processors with serial numbers readable by the software at 
the time. Same thing today if someone steals your laptop - Windows goes with it 
and is part of the replacement cost. 

-Dave Walton

On Apr 19, 2012, at 1:09 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:47:10 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 2.  Has anyone heard of insurance costing more if the business is 
 running open source software?
 
 Say what?
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT fedora server

2012-04-19 Thread Tim C

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
 Is the setup of ESXi strictly command line?  if so, is there a sample
 somewhere of the commands to set it up and install a vm, then start that vm?

No, there is a remote GUI front end.  ESXi is interesting because
there's not really an interface on the machine itself, you have to
remote manage everything.  That's great for companies with lots of
computers, maybe not so much if you have to do work on the machine
itself.

 There is only one *nix command I remember because it is so unlike the
 commands of other os's for the same thing: delete a file is rm (filename).
 It took me so long to find out what the rm command was that I still remember
 it.

They all kind of make sense, just like DOS kind of made sense:
 cd = cd (you know that one :)
 echo = echo (that one too)
 ifconfig = ipconfig
 mkdir = make directory
 ls = list
 mount = mount a drive
 umount = unmount a drive
 chmod = change modes (attrib)
 cat = equivalent of type, give or take.

 There is no way I will get  along with a command line thing unless there
 example cheatsheets that I can copy and change the variables like the
 machine names, IP number, subnet mask, etc.

Really easy to do all of these - IMO easier than on Windows - but in
reality that's stuff you'd do on the guest, not the ESXi server.
Still I think that's a high bar, I'd be more inclined to set it up
that way at home and get used to it before I inflicted it on someone
else, and even then I'd be concerned about long term maintenance after
I was NLA.

Best,
-Tim

 You are absolutely further ahead if you start with a virtualized platform.
 Use ESXi (free) as the operating system and load 2003 on it in a VM. It's
 much more stable than running windows or Linux as the host. The overhead is
 minimal. In fact it de-duplucates memory blocks so if you have 2 VMs running
 the same OS, it will use less memory than the sum of it's parts.

 You will need to use a different workstation to log in to the virtualized
 machine. Under ESXi the console is a stripped down custom Linux kernel used
 for maintenance and loading drivers. You need to run their custom interface
 to get to the console of the VM for BIOS level access. Once you get things
 running you can use remote desktop or LogMeIn, or whatever.

 -Dave Walton

 On Apr 19, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

  Seems like the consensus is wipe and install 2003R2.

  Two more questions:
  1.  would it be worth considering an install of linux and then run
 server 2003R2 as a VM?  Or is that just wasting resources?  Dell 2650 xeon
 2.8 4 gig memory.

   2.  Has anyone heard of insurance costing more if the business is
 running open source software?
  


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Re: [MBZ] OT fedora server

2012-04-19 Thread Dan Penoff

My question would be, How do they know?

Not to mention that it might be a business process that requires a Linux OS, so 
what bearing would that have as far as exposure is concerned?

Hmm. I would certainly challenge an insurance agent who was questioning my use 
of software platforms.

Dan 

On Apr 19, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 A friend of mine said he has seen instances of insurance companies charging 
 more if the business uses linux, open office/libre office and so forth.  I am 
 wondering if anyone who uses open source in business has heard of any of 
 this.  It could be localized, or it could be regional or national.
 
 
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 2.  Has anyone heard of insurance costing more if the business is
 running open source software?
 
 Say what?
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT fedora server

2012-04-19 Thread Fmiser

 Dieselhead wrote:

 Seems like the consensus is wipe and install 2003R2.
 
 Two more questions:
 1.  would it be worth considering an install of linux and then
 run server 2003R2 as a VM?

Fedora _is_ linux!

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Re: [MBZ] OT fedora server

2012-04-19 Thread Dieselhead

I don't know why open source would be more expensive.  Makes no sense 
to me.  Open source is more stable, more secure, the last I checked, 
and much cheaper, therefore not potentially as big of a claim on ins. 
It is some potential liability they are afraid of.


Somehow, some genius in some insco cubicle came up with the notion 
that open source is a greater liability, or makes the company more 
vulnerable to lawsuits than Winblows.


The caveat is that what I heard is heresay, so I am looking for verification.



My question would be, How do they know?

Not to mention that it might be a business process that requires a 
Linux OS, so what bearing would that have as far as exposure is 
concerned?


Hmm. I would certainly challenge an insurance agent who was 
questioning my use of software platforms.


Dan

On Apr 19, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 A friend of mine said he has seen instances of insurance companies 
charging more if the business uses linux, open office/libre office 
and so forth.  I am wondering if anyone who uses open source in 
business has heard of any of this.  It could be localized, or it 
could be regional or national.




 On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:47:10 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:


 2.  Has anyone heard of insurance costing more if the business is
 running open source software?


 Say what?


 Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT fedora server

2012-04-19 Thread Dieselhead


Yabbut others suggested debian or centos  I was just trying to make it generic.



  Dieselhead wrote:


 Seems like the consensus is wipe and install 2003R2.

 Two more questions:
 1.  would it be worth considering an install of linux and then
 run server 2003R2 as a VM?


Fedora _is_ linux!

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Re: [MBZ] OT fedora server

2012-04-19 Thread OK Don

I'd think it would be in the IT press, Gartner reports, etc. if there was
an insurance issue with open source, and I've never seen, read, nor heard
about any such thing. Sounds like hogwash to me . . .

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't know why open source would be more expensive.  Makes no sense to
 me.  Open source is more stable, more secure, the last I checked, and much
 cheaper, therefore not potentially as big of a claim on ins. It is some
 potential liability they are afraid of.

 Somehow, some genius in some insco cubicle came up with the notion that
 open source is a greater liability, or makes the company more vulnerable to
 lawsuits than Winblows.

 The caveat is that what I heard is heresay, so I am looking for
 verification.



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Re: [MBZ] OT fedora server

2012-04-17 Thread Fmiser

 Dieselhead wrote:

   picked up a dell 2650 with a fresh install of fedora.
 Anybody familiar with this OS for a server?

Fedora is a distribution of Linux.  Formerly RedHat.

 I am wondering if it has something like AD group policies
 similar to M$ Server 2000/2003/2008.  If so, I can learn to
 use it.  Otherwise I can put 2003R2 on it.

Can't comment on the comparison to MSWin - I'm pretty clueless
there.  But by default it will at least have the EXT
user/group/other with read/write/execute.

 Its intended use will be data storage for a small business
 with 4 or 5 computers (XP) and same number of users.
 Fortunately none of the computers I have looked at so far are
 Wissta.

It should be a fine Samba server...

 I would like to use the GPOs to redirect the users' My
 Documents to the server, among other things.  (such as
 severely restricting what users can do.)

Whew!  To much MSWin-speak for me to follow.  Sorry I can't
guide you further.  But I have heard Linux with Samba is better
a serving MS shares than a MSWin server.

-- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT fedora server

2012-04-17 Thread Tim C

Not to be a snob, but I wouldn't use Fedora; use CentOS or Debian for a
production server. Fedora is a test distribution, so while it's as stable
as, say, VistaSP1, it's not quite a real server IMO.

That said, since the user is used to Windows and is otherwise going to be
running Windows, I'd use the 2003 license and never look back. It is hard
to get an IT guy who knows both Windows and Linux well, and even if you get
it set up at first they will hate you forever - plus they will have to call
you for every little thing, and resent every billable minute.

Now, you could set up 2003 in a VM as the DC (or use an existing external
server if there is one?), and then share the file systems from Linux using
Samba. From Windows' perspective the Linux box is just another machine in
the domain so you could certainly do redirects. That setup would be easy
enough to maintain with good performance, but honestly it strikes me as
over-complicated for such a small user base.

You can set up permissions on Linux shares, but once you start into DC/BDC
the Windows servers are really the way to go.

Best,
Tim
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