Re: [MBZ] Our next vehicle (replacing the 2006 Dodge Ram Diesel

2007-07-10 Thread slozukimc
Might want to have them watch the DoveBid auctions and get a Frito Lay
vanWould work great for that and the Cummins powered ones get
close to 30MPG loaded.

Mike

 Luckily, nothing has happened while people's personal vehicles have been
 transporting gear and boats.  However, up until recently, there was no
 such
 insurance which infuriated me!  The question came up at a board meeting
 (how
 much insurance do we have, and does it cover personal vehicles even if our
 club doesn't own any?  It was rectified the next day.  It is better to
 have your ducks in a row now than pulling the gerbil out of the rear end
 later.  There is a plan in the works involving the purchase of a cube van
 to use as the gear/boat transporter.  It would be the race Transport
 Unit,
 basically everything needed to run a dragon boat race right there in the
 truck all inventoried and ready to go, no counting, loading and unloading
 before every race.  I hope it has enough steam to be approved.

 Kevin in Portland, OR
 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula


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Re: [MBZ] Our next vehicle (replacing the 2006 Dodge Ram Diesel

2007-07-10 Thread Kevin Kraly
Might want to have them watch the DoveBid auctions and get a Frito Lay
vanWould work great for that and the Cummins powered ones get
close to 30MPG loaded.

Do you think one of these Cummins 4BT or 4BTA equipped vans could be fully 
loaded and pull 6500# worth of boats behind it?

Kevin in Portland, OR
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Re: [MBZ] Our next vehicle (replacing the 2006 Dodge Ram Diesel

2007-07-10 Thread slozukimc
They are a Chevy one ton truck chassis underneath a big aluminum body and
a GVW of 14K.  Not as powerful as your 06 but no slouch either.

Mike

 Might want to have them watch the DoveBid auctions and get a Frito Lay
 vanWould work great for that and the Cummins powered ones get
 close to 30MPG loaded.

 Do you think one of these Cummins 4BT or 4BTA equipped vans could be fully
 loaded and pull 6500# worth of boats behind it?

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Re: [MBZ] Our next vehicle (replacing the 2006 Dodge Ram Diesel

2007-07-09 Thread Kevin Kraly
We've had 3 3.3L vans in the family, a 1990 Dodge Grand caravan, a 1991 
Plymouth Voyager and a '05 Chrysler TC.  We also had a '97 Grand Caravan 
with the 3.8L engine (don't know how similar this one is to the 3.3L).  I've 
heard of the valve geometry problem with the Mitsu's and have been steering 
clear of them.  I've heard so many horror stories about the electronically 
controlled automatics behind the 3.3's and 3.8's, but like Mike's friend, I 
was told that it's not usually the tranny components at fault, but rather 
the electronics.  They are great vans, and I'd buy another one in a 
heartbeat.

Kevin in Portland, OR
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Re: [MBZ] Our next vehicle (replacing the 2006 Dodge Ram Diesel

2007-07-09 Thread Tom Hargrave
The late 80's / early 90's minivans with V6 engines had serious transmission
problems  the issue was the electronic controllers. But any still on the
road today should be OK since they were replaced by Chrysler under warranty.
Unfortunately, some transmissions were replaced 3, 4  5 times before the
company figured out that the issue was software, not the transmission itself
 this really hurt the company's reputation.

This was Chrysler's first venture into computer controlled transmissions and
the mini-van was the first car that used the system. Chrysler eventually
converted the entire fleet over to the system with excellent results.

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We've had 3 3.3L vans in the family, a 1990 Dodge Grand caravan, a 1991 
Plymouth Voyager and a '05 Chrysler TC.  We also had a '97 Grand Caravan 
with the 3.8L engine (don't know how similar this one is to the 3.3L).  I've

heard of the valve geometry problem with the Mitsu's and have been steering 
clear of them.  I've heard so many horror stories about the electronically 
controlled automatics behind the 3.3's and 3.8's, but like Mike's friend, I 
was told that it's not usually the tranny components at fault, but rather 
the electronics.  They are great vans, and I'd buy another one in a 
heartbeat.

Kevin in Portland, OR
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Re: [MBZ] Our next vehicle (replacing the 2006 Dodge Ram Diesel

2007-07-09 Thread Redghost
Go with the commercial body Sprinter and get the open box rear for  
that classic VW pick up look.  I have seen a few around town.  The  
first one just blew me away.  They drop a box van back on them, so  
the truck should be able to haul what you need it too.

clay

On Jul 7, 2007, at 7:23 PM, Kevin Kraly wrote:

 Well, we've had a change of heart.  Wifey is  the Vice President of  
 the
 local dragon boat club, and also happens to be the only one or  
 who's spouse
 has a large enough and powerful enough truck to pull the trailerand  
 boats.
 The total weight is around 8000#.  The organization is too cheap to  
 get a
 box truck to haul boats and gear, so the duty falls upon those who  
 have
 vehicles to take up the slack and the wear and tear, not the path  
 that such
 an organization should take, IMO.  I've taken the advice of another  
 board
 member who said what happens if you're truck wasn't available or  
 if you
 suddenly didn't want it anymore?  He won't buy a larger travel  
 trailer since
 it will require a Diesel to pull it, and this would make him the  
 next one
 with the job to pull the boats which his V8 Dodge Dakota isn't  
 heavy nor
 powerful enough to safely perform.  Well, I've had enough, so the  
 truck is
 officially up for sale!!  The travel trailer sits most of the time,  
 so it's
 going too.  All we really need is a SUV/Van to pull OUR 21 foot  
 boat.  I
 want it to be something that gets good mileage,  is dependable, and  
 can tow
 at least 5000#.  Any suggestions?  What is the feeling on a  
 Sprinter van?  I
 don't think I want to go near $50g for the new ML320CDI, but what  
 about the
 Jeep Grand Cherokee  with the Diesel engine that's due to hit  
 showrooms
 soon?

 Kevin in Portland, OR
 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula


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Re: [MBZ] Our next vehicle (replacing the 2006 Dodge Ram Diesel

2007-07-09 Thread Redghost
I would be wondering what the board had in mind for insurance  
coverage should there be an unfortunate event in which truck was  
involved in fatal misfortune while boats were hauled.  Not the time  
to be figuring out who is getting screwed.  One non-profit I work  
with is finding out it is better to have ducks in a row than try to  
get the gerbil out of rear end later.


On Jul 8, 2007, at 6:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 .  I've taken the advice of another board
 member who said what happens if you're truck wasn't available or  
 if you
 suddenly didn't want it anymore?  He won't buy a larger travel  
 trailer since
 it will require a Diesel to pull it, and this would make him the  
 next one
 with the job to pull the boats which his V8 Dodge Dakota isn't  
 heavy nor
 powerful enough to safely perform.  

 I take it said board member doesn't have to sleep with Wifey and  
 doesn't
 give a crap about the grief the VP of said organization will endure  
 when
 Hubby sells off the truck and no one can haul said boats.

 Seems pretty childish overall to me...Can't anyone just speak  
 up and
 say NO anymore?

 Gee, I need a bigger truck but I don't want anyone else to benefit  
 from
 it, let alone an organization I am involved inSomeone has to
 drive there anyway..Why not be the one to pull the boats with  
 a nice
 new diesel? is what I would ask said member.  8000# on a trailer is
 nothing for a good 1 ton truck these days.  Just makes it ride nice.

 Sounds like the proverbial cutting off the nose to spite the  
 face...

 Mike








 Well, we've had a change of heart.  Wifey is  the Vice President  
 of the
 local dragon boat club, and also happens to be the only one or who's
 spouse
 has a large enough and powerful enough truck to pull the  
 trailerand boats.
 The total weight is around 8000#.  The organization is too cheap  
 to get a
 box truck to haul boats and gear, so the duty falls upon those who  
 have
 vehicles to take up the slack and the wear and tear, not the path  
 that
 such
 an organization should take, IMO.  I've taken the advice of  
 another board
 member who said what happens if you're truck wasn't available or  
 if you
 suddenly didn't want it anymore?  He won't buy a larger travel  
 trailer
 since
 it will require a Diesel to pull it, and this would make him the  
 next one
 with the job to pull the boats which his V8 Dodge Dakota isn't  
 heavy nor
 powerful enough to safely perform.  Well, I've had enough, so the  
 truck is
 officially up for sale!!  The travel trailer sits most of the  
 time, so
 it's
 going too.  All we really need is a SUV/Van to pull OUR 21 foot  
 boat.  I
 want it to be something that gets good mileage,  is dependable,  
 and can
 tow
 at least 5000#.  Any suggestions?  What is the feeling on a  
 Sprinter van?
 I
 don't think I want to go near $50g for the new ML320CDI, but what  
 about
 the
 Jeep Grand Cherokee  with the Diesel engine that's due to hit  
 showrooms
 soon?

 Kevin in Portland, OR
 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula


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Re: [MBZ] Our next vehicle (replacing the 2006 Dodge Ram Diesel

2007-07-09 Thread Kevin Kraly
Luckily, nothing has happened while people's personal vehicles have been 
transporting gear and boats.  However, up until recently, there was no such 
insurance which infuriated me!  The question came up at a board meeting (how 
much insurance do we have, and does it cover personal vehicles even if our 
club doesn't own any?  It was rectified the next day.  It is better to 
have your ducks in a row now than pulling the gerbil out of the rear end 
later.  There is a plan in the works involving the purchase of a cube van 
to use as the gear/boat transporter.  It would be the race Transport Unit, 
basically everything needed to run a dragon boat race right there in the 
truck all inventoried and ready to go, no counting, loading and unloading 
before every race.  I hope it has enough steam to be approved.

Kevin in Portland, OR
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Re: [MBZ] Our next vehicle (replacing the 2006 Dodge Ram Diesel

2007-07-08 Thread slozukimc

.  I've taken the advice of another board
member who said what happens if you're truck wasn't available or if you
suddenly didn't want it anymore?  He won't buy a larger travel trailer since
it will require a Diesel to pull it, and this would make him the next one
with the job to pull the boats which his V8 Dodge Dakota isn't heavy nor
powerful enough to safely perform.  

I take it said board member doesn't have to sleep with Wifey and doesn't
give a crap about the grief the VP of said organization will endure when
Hubby sells off the truck and no one can haul said boats.

Seems pretty childish overall to me...Can't anyone just speak up and
say NO anymore?

Gee, I need a bigger truck but I don't want anyone else to benefit from
it, let alone an organization I am involved inSomeone has to
drive there anyway..Why not be the one to pull the boats with a nice
new diesel? is what I would ask said member.  8000# on a trailer is
nothing for a good 1 ton truck these days.  Just makes it ride nice.

Sounds like the proverbial cutting off the nose to spite the face...

Mike








 Well, we've had a change of heart.  Wifey is  the Vice President of the
 local dragon boat club, and also happens to be the only one or who's
 spouse
 has a large enough and powerful enough truck to pull the trailerand boats.
 The total weight is around 8000#.  The organization is too cheap to get a
 box truck to haul boats and gear, so the duty falls upon those who have
 vehicles to take up the slack and the wear and tear, not the path that
 such
 an organization should take, IMO.  I've taken the advice of another board
 member who said what happens if you're truck wasn't available or if you
 suddenly didn't want it anymore?  He won't buy a larger travel trailer
 since
 it will require a Diesel to pull it, and this would make him the next one
 with the job to pull the boats which his V8 Dodge Dakota isn't heavy nor
 powerful enough to safely perform.  Well, I've had enough, so the truck is
 officially up for sale!!  The travel trailer sits most of the time, so
 it's
 going too.  All we really need is a SUV/Van to pull OUR 21 foot boat.  I
 want it to be something that gets good mileage,  is dependable, and can
 tow
 at least 5000#.  Any suggestions?  What is the feeling on a Sprinter van?
 I
 don't think I want to go near $50g for the new ML320CDI, but what about
 the
 Jeep Grand Cherokee  with the Diesel engine that's due to hit showrooms
 soon?

 Kevin in Portland, OR
 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula


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Re: [MBZ] Our next vehicle (replacing the 2006 Dodge Ram Diesel

2007-07-08 Thread Kevin Kraly
Great points, Mike.  Wifey and I do feel the same way and don't want 
ourselves or our truck to be involved with EVERY transport just because it's 
big and powerful enough.  The board member previously discussed does help 
with his truck since the gear is more than even a long bed pickup can 
handle.  The club doesn't have all of the gear and boats in one place, so 
there's a lot of driving back and forth across town to get everything that's 
required to be transported for a race.  2 of the four necessary boats are in 
the river downtown, trailer 15 miles southwest, and the racing gear is in a 
storage unit somewhere in the middle.  Of course, if two of the four boats 
are 25 miles east of the river getting repaired, this adds 50 miles of 
driving, you get the picture.  They're working on having boat repairs done 
in house as soon as they obtain a larger facility, and gear will be stored 
there as well which will also cut down on the driving and fuel costs as well 
as wear and tear.  In nearly every instance, it's one truck (ours) that ends 
up running back and forth between the different places taking on gear and 
boats too, and then, it's not there if we need it for day-to-day activities. 
Gear must also be loaded and unloaded for every trip since it can't stay in 
everyone's trucks, and the boat transporter usually ends up doing this all 
by him/herself, not too fair since it's a team sport.  Well, enough rambling 
on and on about this.  The REAL issue here is since neither of us can drive 
this wonderful Dodge Ram 2500 Diesel, it gets driven by family members or by 
the two people within the club whenever a transport takes place.  A more 
manageable vehicle is needed for a daily driver since it's so long and hard 
to park in many of the places we go.  Rather than having both the truck and 
another vehicle, I want to sell the truck and purchase a vehicle that will 
better serve us every day but still pull the boat with plenty of power.  An 
SUV or  preferably a short van with a diesel engine would be ideal since it 
can haul people, gear and my guide dog.  The Sprinter would do pretty well.

Kevin in Portland, OR
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Re: [MBZ] Our next vehicle (replacing the 2006 Dodge Ram Diesel

2007-07-08 Thread Mitch Haley
What would it cost for the club to rent a tow vehicle on race weekend?
Surely less than the cost of somebody owning a late model large truck. 
Sprinters are nice, but I'm not sure if they are worth the money. 
Wasn't that long ago you could get a 2006 Caravan for about 13k new,
I wonder if they've got any left?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Our next vehicle (replacing the 2006 Dodge Ram Diesel

2007-07-08 Thread Kevin Kraly
What would it cost for the club to rent a tow vehicle on race weekend?
Surely less than the cost of somebody owning a late model large truck.

This is true, and exactly what happened this last time.  They rented a truck 
with a 16' box on it that also served as the boat transporter.  It did the 
job nicely while our 1 ton towed our boat.  We had fun on the boat before 
race day, and it also served as the start boat for the dragon boat race 
course.

Back to the vehicle situation, it would cost me at least the same amount to 
buy a Sprinter as it did for the truck.  A minivan with the towing capacity 
necessary for towing our boat would be the ideal setup, the only choice 
being the GM RWD minivan (safari/Astro) if they're still being made.  My 
parents'  '05 FWD Chrysler TC Stow'n Go would be fine in terms of hauling 
us around as well as cargo with the stowaway seats, but the towing capacity 
isn't enough.  Its mileage averages around 20mpg in mixed driving and has 
been as much as 26 on the highway.

Kevin in Portland, OR
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Re: [MBZ] Our next vehicle (replacing the 2006 Dodge Ram Diesel

2007-07-08 Thread slozukimc
I don't know what the rated towing capacity for a Grand Caravan is but I
know for a fact that my friend Rick put many miles on his 90 pulling a 17
foot utility/car trailer hauling his '25 Model T Delivery with no problem
at all.  He would just leave the OD off and take it easy.I can't
imagine your boat weighs that much...DOes it?

Mike

 What would it cost for the club to rent a tow vehicle on race weekend?
 Surely less than the cost of somebody owning a late model large truck.

 This is true, and exactly what happened this last time.  They rented a
 truck
 with a 16' box on it that also served as the boat transporter.  It did the
 job nicely while our 1 ton towed our boat.  We had fun on the boat before
 race day, and it also served as the start boat for the dragon boat race
 course.

 Back to the vehicle situation, it would cost me at least the same amount
 to
 buy a Sprinter as it did for the truck.  A minivan with the towing
 capacity
 necessary for towing our boat would be the ideal setup, the only choice
 being the GM RWD minivan (safari/Astro) if they're still being made.  My
 parents'  '05 FWD Chrysler TC Stow'n Go would be fine in terms of hauling
 us around as well as cargo with the stowaway seats, but the towing
 capacity
 isn't enough.  Its mileage averages around 20mpg in mixed driving and has
 been as much as 26 on the highway.

 Kevin in Portland, OR
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Re: [MBZ] Our next vehicle (replacing the 2006 Dodge Ram Diesel

2007-07-08 Thread Kevin Kraly
Once again, great points!  I can't imagine the boat weighing more than that 
Model T.  Do you know which engine he had in it?  Oh, I just remembered that 
the caravans equipped with the 3.0 Mitsu engine came with a 3 speed auto W/O 
OD behind it, and you mentioned that his van had OD indicating that it must 
have had the 3.3L.  I'm going to check the towing capacity on the newer 
Caravans and similar to see if they would meet the need.  Of course, the 
boat only gets towed a few months out of the year, so something smaller than 
the truck to drive around during the rest of the year would be wonderful.

Kevin in Portland, OR
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Re: [MBZ] Our next vehicle (replacing the 2006 Dodge Ram Diesel

2007-07-08 Thread slozukimc
Yes it was the 3.3 with OD.  He figured out that when the tranny get's a
little wierd shifting to go to the PnP and get a new electric shift box
for it and away you go without a typically not needed tranny
rebuild

Mike

 Once again, great points!  I can't imagine the boat weighing more than
 that
 Model T.  Do you know which engine he had in it?  Oh, I just remembered
 that
 the caravans equipped with the 3.0 Mitsu engine came with a 3 speed auto
 W/O
 OD behind it, and you mentioned that his van had OD indicating that it
 must
 have had the 3.3L.  I'm going to check the towing capacity on the newer
 Caravans and similar to see if they would meet the need.  Of course, the
 boat only gets towed a few months out of the year, so something smaller
 than
 the truck to drive around during the rest of the year would be wonderful.

 Kevin in Portland, OR
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Re: [MBZ] Our next vehicle (replacing the 2006 Dodge Ram Diesel

2007-07-08 Thread Tom Hargrave
The 3.0 liter Mitsu engines suffered from premature valve guide wear due to
improper valve train geometry and many were repaired under a quit recall.
Back then if you brought in a smoking minivan with less than 90,000 miles
and you were the original owner, Chrysler fixed the issue - no questions
asked.

The improper geometry wore the guides egg shaped because there was some
sideways pressure placed on the valves stems. The Chrysler 3.3 liter engines
did not suffer from this problem.

Thanks,
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Once again, great points!  I can't imagine the boat weighing more than that 
Model T.  Do you know which engine he had in it?  Oh, I just remembered that

the caravans equipped with the 3.0 Mitsu engine came with a 3 speed auto W/O

OD behind it, and you mentioned that his van had OD indicating that it must 
have had the 3.3L.  I'm going to check the towing capacity on the newer 
Caravans and similar to see if they would meet the need.  Of course, the 
boat only gets towed a few months out of the year, so something smaller than

the truck to drive around during the rest of the year would be wonderful.

Kevin in Portland, OR
1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula 


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[MBZ] Our next vehicle (replacing the 2006 Dodge Ram Diesel

2007-07-07 Thread Kevin Kraly
Well, we've had a change of heart.  Wifey is  the Vice President of the 
local dragon boat club, and also happens to be the only one or who's spouse 
has a large enough and powerful enough truck to pull the trailerand boats. 
The total weight is around 8000#.  The organization is too cheap to get a 
box truck to haul boats and gear, so the duty falls upon those who have 
vehicles to take up the slack and the wear and tear, not the path that such 
an organization should take, IMO.  I've taken the advice of another board 
member who said what happens if you're truck wasn't available or if you 
suddenly didn't want it anymore?  He won't buy a larger travel trailer since 
it will require a Diesel to pull it, and this would make him the next one 
with the job to pull the boats which his V8 Dodge Dakota isn't heavy nor 
powerful enough to safely perform.  Well, I've had enough, so the truck is 
officially up for sale!!  The travel trailer sits most of the time, so it's 
going too.  All we really need is a SUV/Van to pull OUR 21 foot boat.  I 
want it to be something that gets good mileage,  is dependable, and can tow 
at least 5000#.  Any suggestions?  What is the feeling on a Sprinter van?  I 
don't think I want to go near $50g for the new ML320CDI, but what about the 
Jeep Grand Cherokee  with the Diesel engine that's due to hit showrooms 
soon?

Kevin in Portland, OR
1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula 


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