Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer
Thank you Don!! I am installing XP on a virtual drive at this moment! It amazes me the so-called Help professionals have no idea about this solution! I was passed up 3 levels at Microsoft yet none suggested a virtual drive! Unbelievable. Not only were the MS Helpers clueless but the various forums I visited made no mention of this option! Virtual drives have been around fr a long time - I have software that installs them to make it un-necessary to have game CD in the drive to run. I will have Vista Ultimate and XP Home running on a SATA drive - since I like some of the Vista features and dislike many features, this is the ideal solution. Now, all I need do is understand how to use the virtual drive and see if there's a way to minimize the Vista and maximize XP. Right now, it looks like it treats the 2 OS's as totally seperate. I hope I can cross the borders between the 2 so I can move files around from one to the other. But I finally have my XP Disc with the SATA HD drivers embedded into the CD. It'd be nice to use my 500GB HD. We'll see - I have lots of instructions to read. I wish this stuff didn't put me to sleep ;-) Now I have 2 solutions! well, only the Virtual driven is a proven winner. We'll see if the other works. Thx agn - LarryT https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Free 1 year NRA membership to anyone interested! - Original Message - From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer Install a virtual machine system, run XP as a virtual machine -- drivers for XP become a non-issue. Vista is only used to host the Virtual Machine. http://www.vmware.com/products/ws/ $189 http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx Free On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 4:31 PM, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: I'll give that a try. It usually works better with desktop machines. All the integration that manufacturers do in laptops a lot of times makes it impossible for the drivers from the video or whatever chip manufacturers to work right. Still it's the only hope we have. Manfred -- The important thing in aeroplanes is that they shall be speedy Baron Manfred von Richthofen OK Don W124 Diesels KD5NRO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090412/1d9ef4c0/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer
You should try Virtual Box www.virtualbox.org It will allow you to control what resources the guest OS uses and will allow file sharing between the guest (more than one at once) and the host OS. Luther LarryT wrote: Thank you Don!! I am installing XP on a virtual drive at this moment! It amazes me the so-called Help professionals have no idea about this solution! I was passed up 3 levels at Microsoft yet none suggested a virtual drive! Unbelievable. Not only were the MS Helpers clueless but the various forums I visited made no mention of this option! Virtual drives have been around fr a long time - I have software that installs them to make it un-necessary to have game CD in the drive to run. I will have Vista Ultimate and XP Home running on a SATA drive - since I like some of the Vista features and dislike many features, this is the ideal solution. Now, all I need do is understand how to use the virtual drive and see if there's a way to minimize the Vista and maximize XP. Right now, it looks like it treats the 2 OS's as totally seperate. I hope I can cross the borders between the 2 so I can move files around from one to the other. But I finally have my XP Disc with the SATA HD drivers embedded into the CD. It'd be nice to use my 500GB HD. We'll see - I have lots of instructions to read. I wish this stuff didn't put me to sleep ;-) Now I have 2 solutions! well, only the Virtual driven is a proven winner. We'll see if the other works. Thx agn - LarryT -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The next version of virtual PC, that will come with (or shortly after) Windows 7 will allow applications running in a virtual machine to look like native apps on the host OS. Also known as Med-V in the MDOP set. FWIW, Windows 7 RC1 seems fast! Just installed it last night, no apps yet, so it's too early to be definative, but it does look promising. On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 10:42 AM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Thank you Don!! I am installing XP on a virtual drive at this moment! It amazes me the so-called Help professionals have no idea about this solution! I was passed up 3 levels at Microsoft yet none suggested a virtual drive! Unbelievable. Not only were the MS Helpers clueless but the various forums I visited made no mention of this option! Virtual drives have been around fr a long time - I have software that installs them to make it un-necessary to have game CD in the drive to run. I will have Vista Ultimate and XP Home running on a SATA drive - since I like some of the Vista features and dislike many features, this is the ideal solution. Now, all I need do is understand how to use the virtual drive and see if there's a way to minimize the Vista and maximize XP. Right now, it looks like it treats the 2 OS's as totally seperate. I hope I can cross the borders between the 2 so I can move files around from one to the other. But I finally have my XP Disc with the SATA HD drivers embedded into the CD. It'd be nice to use my 500GB HD. We'll see - I have lots of instructions to read. I wish this stuff didn't put me to sleep ;-) Now I have 2 solutions! well, only the Virtual driven is a proven winner. We'll see if the other works. Thx agn - LarryT https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Free 1 year NRA membership to anyone interested! -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos KD5NRO The important thing in aeroplanes is that they shall be speedy Baron Manfred von Richthofen -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090502/58ee63f4/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You wrote have a XP install disk but not Vista, only system restore disks for Vista. We're in the same boat here - I've been considering Ubuntu - a opensource OS which is reportedly very good and getting better. It's always an option but I suspect there are some unintended consequences waiting for a gotcha. Using the OpenSource Office Suite would remove some of the gotcha's I bet. It's an option to keep in your back pocket. Ubuntu released Vers. 9.04 (http://content.zdnet.com/2346-9595_22-290035-29.html) I'm getting ready to try the nLite option where the XP driver is folded into a XP install disc. Basically, nLite copies the files from your XP install disc onto your hard drive. Nlite then copies the HD driver/s into the folder containng the XP install files. Then a ISO file of the XP files is created so a new CD can be burned. The new CD is then used to install XP directly to the Hard Drive. At least that's how it;s supposed to work. I may try it today. Good luck. Remember - things can always get worse... LarryT Porsche Posters!! And Oil Analysis at youroil.net. - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer LarryT wrote: Doing the reverse will not work either - installing Vista 1st will work but then XP cannot be installed because the OS will say the OS installed is newer than the OS being attempted to install! Well, damn! I'm running dual boot on dual hard drives. About one hour ago, I ordered a 1TB drive, intending to transfer my Vista drive to it, then to install XP Pro as a 2nd OS on the drive. I'm not happy to learn that MSFT has prohibited me from doing that, for no good reason I can discern. I have a XP install disk but not Vista, only system restore disks for Vista. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer
I am finally getting close (I think) to being able to install XP in my new laptop which came with Vista Ultimate. After writing 6 or 7 emails and kept getting different solutions and suggestions. Toward the end of the email discussions I was told I should try a dual boot system. I am very willing to use a dual boot system but it's a catch 22 affair - supposed to install the older vers software (XP) 1st. Unfortunately cannot do this because the drivers are not installed on the XP CDs. Doing the reverse will not work either - installing Vista 1st will work but then XP cannot be installed because the OS will say the OS installed is newer than the OS being attempted to install! Well, damn! Anyway - got a supervisor guy involved and it appears he's going to locate the needed driver for me. That's where I am at the moment - but he sounds like he knows how to get a XP driver loaded. (fingers crossed) Will let ya'll know if it works -- Be persistant in complaining to Microsoft! LarryT - Original Message - From: MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 11:13 AM Subject: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer If you do figure out how to get back to XP let me know. My daughter has a new HP laptop that she wants to go back to XP on. Problem is HP he doesn't provide any drivers for the computer that will work with XP. Since she uses the computer for relaxation (games). Linux won't work because the games she wants to run won't run on Linux. or is there some way to install XP in Linux and have the Linux drivers run the computer? How much would that slow things down because she has the games turned down to medium to low detail just to run them now. Any slow down and you might as well forget about playing. Manfred Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:47:36 -0400 From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net Subject: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer Hi Tim - Thx but no thx - it sounds too complicated for no improvement in performance. You didn't mention if it would improve security but I doubt it,. You're right about the configuration - presently the Ext HD is shown as a drive in the desktop. And when on the desktop I see it like that - it shows the 2 HDs in the puter and the 3rd as C, D, E F and H as the ext. I use software called Network Magic which makes things nuch easier to set up. I had tried unsuccessfuly to set up the LAN so I could print (printer hooked to desktop) with the laptop - followed the instructions but still it said No! But NM configured it perfectly. Until my new laptop added Vista to the mess. But that too can be fixed. once I get rid of Vista and install XP again. Thx agn Take care -- LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com LarryT Porsche Posters!! And Oil Analysis at youroil.net. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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LarryT wrote: Doing the reverse will not work either - installing Vista 1st will work but then XP cannot be installed because the OS will say the OS installed is newer than the OS being attempted to install! Well, damn! I'm running dual boot on dual hard drives. About one hour ago, I ordered a 1TB drive, intending to transfer my Vista drive to it, then to install XP Pro as a 2nd OS on the drive. I'm not happy to learn that MSFT has prohibited me from doing that, for no good reason I can discern. I have a XP install disk but not Vista, only system restore disks for Vista. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: LarryT wrote: Doing the reverse will not work either - installing Vista 1st will work but then XP cannot be installed because the OS will say the OS installed is newer than the OS being attempted to install! Well, damn! I'm running dual boot on dual hard drives. About one hour ago, I ordered a 1TB drive, intending to transfer my Vista drive to it, then to install XP Pro as a 2nd OS on the drive. I'm not happy to learn that MSFT has prohibited me from doing that, for no good reason I can discern. I have a XP install disk but not Vista, only system restore disks for Vista. Mitch. The problem lies in the way the NT kernel boots from disk. The NT Boot Loader lives in the Master Boot Record (MBR) and searches the C:\ drive for it's master configuration file BOOT.INI. This file tells the NT Boot Loader where it can find the version of NT you want to boot. Ergo, if you install Vista to drive R:\ you *can* boot Vista from this drive but have to tell the Loader where to find it. If you install Vista first, then XP it overwrites the BOOT.INI as well as the NT Boot Loader. So even if you add Vista back to the BOOT.INI it's the wrong version of the Loader to Bootstrap the Vista version of the NT Kernel. Also in the way many areas of the systems are shared. Ergo, when you install XP you get a Program Files folder that receives several sets of shared libraries and files for all programs that XP will use. When you install Vista you get a Program Files folder that receives several sets of shared . err wait. So when you install Vista first and XP second, the XP libraries are the ones most current, and as such Vista could potentially have a problem with those that aren't stored in the System32 directories from the OS main directory. The correct answer is that you *can* install Vista *first* and then install XP and get it to work properly if you are extremely meticulous and either RO the files that Vista needs that XP will overwrite, or move these files to move them back later. Also, you can slipstream a copy of XP in such a manner that none of the default install locations are chosen and force it to put XP in totally different locations. However, though Microsoft knows all of this and *could* help walk you through the process, it's several hours worth of work and as such it's far easier to simply say: You must install XP first, then Vista to perform an NT dual boot The easiest way, in my opinion, to dual boot Microsoft OS's is to have multiple hard drives. Either physical or logical. Physical is far easier, but there is a way to build logical drives on a single disk using a Linux fdisk (because the Microsoft fdisk won't let you do this) to set each logical drive as the bootable partition in turn. Install the OS, to the partition that the OS *thinks* is C:\, then switch the bootable partition for the next one, then set the BOOT.INI on the final install to look at the rest of the logicals. Rather convoluted, but doable. The better way is physical drives where you temporarily unplug the drive for one to install on the other then have a large final drive to store shared applications like Firefox or Photoshop or whatever will be running in both OS's. You do *not* have to leave either drive unplugged after install, just during. After install you would set the Vista drive as Master and point it's BOOT.INI to boot XP from the second drive. Regards, EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090422/0abb9332/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: I'm running dual boot on dual hard drives. About one hour ago, I ordered a 1TB drive, intending to transfer my Vista drive to it, then to install XP Pro as a 2nd OS on the drive. I'm not happy to learn that MSFT has prohibited me from doing that, for no good reason I can discern. I have a XP install disk but not Vista, only system restore disks for Vista. Mitch. Also as you have a valid Vista license key, you can use *any* Vista install media to install a full version of Vista. Find a friend and ask him to provide you with an off-site archival copy of his install media that you will protect for him. Then you can borrow his archival copy to reinstall your version of Vista. This is because *all* Vista DVD's are the *exact* same. They all include all versions. The difference is in the literal key that you hold that unlocks portions of the Vista install, but not others. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090422/1f3e3607/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer
Hi Ed - I think I'd definately go the route of 2 physical hard drives if these weren't a laptop. I already have several hard drives for laptops so if I could do it this way using USB ext encl or HD docking station I would. Also - I saw some connectors o convert from ATA to SATA but assumed that wouldn't help - probably isn't room in he laptop anyway. Would that work in a desktop? I have a SATA HD I could put in my desktop if it would. Actually I attempted to install XP via a ext encl but the install program didn't pick up that drive. I assumed it will not install thru a ext location? The logical drive strategy certainly seem complex! BTW - I have software that sets up logical drives which are used for games that req the disc to be in the machine to run the program. But didn't consider it for this application. Would that work? Thx - LarryT - Original Message - From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: LarryT wrote: Doing the reverse will not work either - installing Vista 1st will work but then XP cannot be installed because the OS will say the OS installed is newer than the OS being attempted to install! Well, damn! I'm running dual boot on dual hard drives. About one hour ago, I ordered a 1TB drive, intending to transfer my Vista drive to it, then to install XP Pro as a 2nd OS on the drive. I'm not happy to learn that MSFT has prohibited me from doing that, for no good reason I can discern. I have a XP install disk but not Vista, only system restore disks for Vista. Mitch. The problem lies in the way the NT kernel boots from disk. The NT Boot Loader lives in the Master Boot Record (MBR) and searches the C:\ drive for it's master configuration file BOOT.INI. This file tells the NT Boot Loader where it can find the version of NT you want to boot. Ergo, if you install Vista to drive R:\ you *can* boot Vista from this drive but have to tell the Loader where to find it. If you install Vista first, then XP it overwrites the BOOT.INI as well as the NT Boot Loader. So even if you add Vista back to the BOOT.INI it's the wrong version of the Loader to Bootstrap the Vista version of the NT Kernel. Also in the way many areas of the systems are shared. Ergo, when you install XP you get a Program Files folder that receives several sets of shared libraries and files for all programs that XP will use. When you install Vista you get a Program Files folder that receives several sets of shared . err wait. So when you install Vista first and XP second, the XP libraries are the ones most current, and as such Vista could potentially have a problem with those that aren't stored in the System32 directories from the OS main directory. The correct answer is that you *can* install Vista *first* and then install XP and get it to work properly if you are extremely meticulous and either RO the files that Vista needs that XP will overwrite, or move these files to move them back later. Also, you can slipstream a copy of XP in such a manner that none of the default install locations are chosen and force it to put XP in totally different locations. However, though Microsoft knows all of this and *could* help walk you through the process, it's several hours worth of work and as such it's far easier to simply say: You must install XP first, then Vista to perform an NT dual boot The easiest way, in my opinion, to dual boot Microsoft OS's is to have multiple hard drives. Either physical or logical. Physical is far easier, but there is a way to build logical drives on a single disk using a Linux fdisk (because the Microsoft fdisk won't let you do this) to set each logical drive as the bootable partition in turn. Install the OS, to the partition that the OS *thinks* is C:\, then switch the bootable partition for the next one, then set the BOOT.INI on the final install to look at the rest of the logicals. Rather convoluted, but doable. The better way is physical drives where you temporarily unplug the drive for one to install on the other then have a large final drive to store shared applications like Firefox or Photoshop or whatever will be running in both OS's. You do *not* have to leave either drive unplugged after install, just during. After install you would set the Vista drive as Master and point it's BOOT.INI to boot XP from the second drive. Regards, EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090422/0abb9332/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http
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Good luck beating up Microsoft but in this case it doesn't sound like its their fault. Sounds like the hardware manufacturers haven't provided drivers that are compatible with XP since they figured you'd stick with whatever POS operating system they give you. This is unfortunately very common with *ahem* more budget conscious hardware... -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:27:46 -0400 From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 933ffa014ddf47db8651382db6cc8...@larrypc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response I am finally getting close (I think) to being able to install XP in my new laptop which came with Vista Ultimate. After writing 6 or 7 emails and kept getting different solutions and suggestions. Toward the end of the email discussions I was told I should try a dual boot system. I am very willing to use a dual boot system but it's a catch 22 affair - supposed to install the older vers software (XP) 1st. Unfortunately cannot do this because the drivers are not installed on the XP CDs. Doing the reverse will not work either - installing Vista 1st will work but then XP cannot be installed because the OS will say the OS installed is newer than the OS being attempted to install! Well, damn! Anyway - got a supervisor guy involved and it appears he's going to locate the needed driver for me. That's where I am at the moment - but he sounds like he knows how to get a XP driver loaded. (fingers crossed) Will let ya'll know if it works -- Be persistant in complaining to Microsoft! LarryT -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090422/20e01af4/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Another one that isn't Microsoft's fault. The manufacturer is too cheap to develop a guided install or thinks you're too dumb to know how to work it. This Dell laptop I've inherited at work didn't have install disks as delivered but they were easily available from Dell's website for free no less. This is a very high end laptop though... It seems strange to me that I'm defending Microsoft but when you work for a manufacturer I guess you develop a level of empathy... -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:37:52 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 49ef47e0.8020...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed LarryT wrote: Doing the reverse will not work either - installing Vista 1st will work but then XP cannot be installed because the OS will say the OS installed is newer than the OS being attempted to install! Well, damn! I'm running dual boot on dual hard drives. About one hour ago, I ordered a 1TB drive, intending to transfer my Vista drive to it, then to install XP Pro as a 2nd OS on the drive. I'm not happy to learn that MSFT has prohibited me from doing that, for no good reason I can discern. I have a XP install disk but not Vista, only system restore disks for Vista. Mitch. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090422/64811e6d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think you may have pointed out a place in which Vista is actually superior to XP. XP has 2 kinds of disk, OEM and purchaseable. They each have their own installation media and serial number and never the twain shall meet. Many people have been screwed because they only have a purchaseable XP disk but their computer is tagged with an OEM serial... We have a site license (which is a purchaseable type serial) for XP and I've gotten caught a couple times with only OEM disks... -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:40:39 -0400 From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 446c86e30904221040h6e334405x1cb8d0251be0...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: I'm running dual boot on dual hard drives. About one hour ago, I ordered a 1TB drive, intending to transfer my Vista drive to it, then to install XP Pro as a 2nd OS on the drive. I'm not happy to learn that MSFT has prohibited me from doing that, for no good reason I can discern. I have a XP install disk but not Vista, only system restore disks for Vista. Mitch. Also as you have a valid Vista license key, you can use *any* Vista install media to install a full version of Vista. Find a friend and ask him to provide you with an off-site archival copy of his install media that you will protect for him. Then you can borrow his archival copy to reinstall your version of Vista. This is because *all* Vista DVD's are the *exact* same. They all include all versions. The difference is in the literal key that you hold that unlocks portions of the Vista install, but not others. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090422/3e85edd1/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:15 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Ed - I think I'd definately go the route of 2 physical hard drives if these weren't a laptop. I already have several hard drives for laptops so if I could do it this way using USB ext encl or HD docking station I would. Also - I saw some connectors o convert from ATA to SATA but assumed that wouldn't help - probably isn't room in he laptop anyway. Would that work in a desktop? I have a SATA HD I could put in my desktop if it would. Sure, they have SATA to PATA (Serial to Parallel) adapters so you can use a SATA HD in a PATA system. (PATA is IDE ATA) However you lose the speed advantages of SATA. The better solution is to pick up a cheap SATA controller and add that to the system instead of the converter. (The SATA adapter is basically a SATA controller that interfaces with PATA instead of PCI) Actually I attempted to install XP via a ext encl but the install program didn't pick up that drive. I assumed it will not install thru a ext location? The XP install you were using may not have included the latest USB drivers. This is the problem with XP, it's getting long in the tooth. The original XP did not have drivers for things that are common now, like SATA drives, or USB 2.0 Hard Drives. Though I've never tried to boot XP from USB, so it might simply be unable to do it. The logical drive strategy certainly seem complex! It can be, especially if you ever get to a point that you have to reinstall the OS on one of the logical partitions, because it's going to overwrite the MBR and then you'll have to use another piece of software to restore it. Linux is far more capable at dual booting in this regards. The Linux Boot Loader, GRUB or LILO is easily able to load any kernel you point it at and doesn't care about what's behind it because once the kernel bootstraps, the kernel takes over system start. BTW - I have software that sets up logical drives which are used for games that req the disc to be in the machine to run the program. But didn't consider it for this application. Would that work? No, because that is creating logical drives in image files. Good for virtualization like VirtualPC or VMWare, but not for direct boot from a cold system. Thx - LarryT EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090422/1944cd58/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have a dual boot system that I first installed XP then Vista, followed with Windows 7. yes its easy with multiple hard drives though you should be able to create a partition with a program EaseUS partition manager its free for home use.. then install on the new partition. Then use the vista disk to get the Vista boot loader to install. I use a program called EasyBCD to manage the Vista Boot loader. All works well.. Douglas LarryT wrote: Doing the reverse will not work either - installing Vista 1st will work but then XP cannot be installed because the OS will say the OS installed is newer than the OS being attempted to install! Well, damn! I'm running dual boot on dual hard drives. About one hour ago, I ordered a 1TB drive, intending to transfer my Vista drive to it, then to install XP Pro as a 2nd OS on the drive. I'm not happy to learn that MSFT has prohibited me from doing that, for no good reason I can discern. I have a XP install disk but not Vista, only system restore disks for Vista. Mitch. The problem lies in the way the NT kernel boots from disk. The NT Boot Loader lives in the Master Boot Record (MBR) and searches the C:\ drive for it's master configuration file BOOT.INI. This file tells the NT Boot Loader where it can find the version of NT you want to boot. Ergo, if you install Vista to drive R:\ you *can* boot Vista from this drive but have to tell the Loader where to find it. If you install Vista first, then XP it overwrites the BOOT.INI as well as the NT Boot Loader. So even if you add Vista back to the BOOT.INI it's the wrong version of the Loader to Bootstrap the Vista version of the NT Kernel. Also in the way many areas of the systems are shared. Ergo, when you install XP you get a Program Files folder that receives several sets of shared libraries and files for all programs that XP will use. When you install Vista you get a Program Files folder that receives several sets of shared . err wait. So when you install Vista first and XP second, the XP libraries are the ones most current, and as such Vista could potentially have a problem with those that aren't stored in the System32 directories from the OS main directory. The correct answer is that you *can* install Vista *first* and then install XP and get it to work properly if you are extremely meticulous and either RO the files that Vista needs that XP will overwrite, or move these files to move them back later. Also, you can slipstream a copy of XP in such a manner that none of the default install locations are chosen and force it to put XP in totally different locations. However, though Microsoft knows all of this and *could* help walk you through the process, it's several hours worth of work and as such it's far easier to simply say: You must install XP first, then Vista to perform an NT dual boot The easiest way, in my opinion, to dual boot Microsoft OS's is to have multiple hard drives. Either physical or logical. Physical is far easier, but there is a way to build logical drives on a single disk using a Linux fdisk (because the Microsoft fdisk won't let you do this) to set each logical drive as the bootable partition in turn. Install the OS, to the partition that the OS *thinks* is C:\, then switch the bootable partition for the next one, then set the BOOT.INI on the final install to look at the rest of the logicals. Rather convoluted, but doable. The better way is physical drives where you temporarily unplug the drive for one to install on the other then have a large final drive to store shared applications like Firefox or Photoshop or whatever will be running in both OS's. You do *not* have to leave either drive unplugged after install, just during. After install you would set the Vista drive as Master and point it's BOOT.INI to boot XP from the second drive. Regards, EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090422/0abb9332/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There are a couple of ways. I've been fighting this for a while and think I have found the best solution for me - which may not be *your* best solution. Here's your best options (IMO): 1. (What I am doing) - Using a new 500GB Hard drive (~$100) for my laptop (I could use the 250GB HD that came with the laptop but this gives me more room I can use the smaller HD as a ext HD) , I will install Vista with the Recovery Discs, then install XP on a seperate partition. I will use a 3rd partition for my data files. This is the best solution because I don't have to find the HD Driver (and others) for my new Toshiba laptop. Problem is, a XP driver for my Toshiba components may not even exist! You'll need 3GB for XP and 20GB for Vista. Since I have data on my 250GB Hard Drive I'll use a HD Docking station I have ($30) to copy/share files between the 250 500 HDs. 2. Here's another less desirable (IMHO) option. On a seperate PC, download nLite (free) software. Locate the HD driver (and drivers for all other components in your new computer) and place them in a temp folder on your borrowed PC. Run nLite which will use your XP install discs to place a copy of XP Installation on your borrrowed PC. nLite will then integrate the drivers into the files of the XP installation folder. Now you can copy the new XP files containing the drivers onto a CD. Use that CD/s to install XP on your computer and hope you have the correct drivers. It's more complex to describe than to do but the problem is still finding the proper drivers. I started to try this but feel the 1st option will be more likely to work. Using option 1 you can start up on Vista then switch to XP once the computer is running. This is called a Dual Boot System and is very common. \ HTHs LarryT 91 300D - Original Message - From: MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 11:13 AM Subject: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer If you do figure out how to get back to XP let me know. My daughter has a new HP laptop that she wants to go back to XP on. Problem is HP doesn't provide any drivers for the computer that will work with XP. Since she uses the computer for relaxation (games). Linux won't work because the games she wants to run won't run on Linux. or is there some way to install XP in Linux and have the Linux drivers run the computer? How much would that slow things down because she has the games turned down to medium to low detail just to run them now. Any slow down and you might as well forget about playing. Manfred Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:47:36 -0400 From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net Subject: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer Hi Tim - Thx but no thx - it sounds too complicated for no improvement in performance. You didn't mention if it would improve security but I doubt it,. You're right about the configuration - presently the Ext HD is shown as a drive in the desktop. And when on the desktop I see it like that - it shows the 2 HDs in the puter and the 3rd as C, D, E F and H as the ext. I use software called Network Magic which makes things nuch easier to set up. I had tried unsuccessfuly to set up the LAN so I could print (printer hooked to desktop) with the laptop - followed the instructions but still it said No! But NM configured it perfectly. Until my new laptop added Vista to the mess. But that too can be fixed. once I get rid of Vista and install XP again. Thx agn Take care -- LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com LarryT Porsche Posters!! And Oil Analysis at youroil.net. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A fully patched and updated xp copy takes something like 7.5.to 8 gb, so IMHO, it takes at least 10 GB for XP without a lot of software. In practical use, i consider 20gb to be the practical min drive size whether you are using 2000 Pro, xp Pro, or Wissta. When Wissta was released, Fully updated and patched 2000 Pro, XP Pro and Wissta all took about 7.5 to 8 Gb of storage. I found that to be quite interesting. considering they are all built on the 2000 code base, i didn't find it surprising. I just retired a workstation that originally had 2000Pro installed og a 4 gb partition, which was plenty of space. Then i had to replace the drive with a 10 gb partition for the OS, then I had to replace the OS partition with 20GB to handle SP2 and the software I had installed.I don't believe it is wise to run unpatched MS software. HTH At 09:18 AM 4/17/2009, you wrote: There are a couple of ways. I've been fighting this for a while and think I have found the best solution for me - which may not be *your* best solution. Here's your best options (IMO): 1. (What I am doing) - Using a new 500GB Hard drive (~$100) for my laptop (I could use the 250GB HD that came with the laptop but this gives me more room I can use the smaller HD as a ext HD) , I will install Vista with the Recovery Discs, then install XP on a seperate partition. I will use a 3rd partition for my data files. This is the best solution because I don't have to find the HD Driver (and others) for my new Toshiba laptop. Problem is, a XP driver for my Toshiba components may not even exist! You'll need 3GB for XP and 20GB for Vista. Since I have data on my 250GB Hard Drive I'll use a HD Docking station I have ($30) to copy/share files between the 250 500 HDs. 2. Here's another less desirable (IMHO) option. On a seperate PC, download nLite (free) software. Locate the HD driver (and drivers for all other components in your new computer) and place them in a temp folder on your borrowed PC. Run nLite which will use your XP install discs to place a copy of XP Installation on your borrrowed PC. nLite will then integrate the drivers into the files of the XP installation folder. Now you can copy the new XP files containing the drivers onto a CD. Use that CD/s to install XP on your computer and hope you have the correct drivers. It's more complex to describe than to do but the problem is still finding the proper drivers. I started to try this but feel the 1st option will be more likely to work. Using option 1 you can start up on Vista then switch to XP once the computer is running. This is called a Dual Boot System and is very common. \ HTHs LarryT 91 300D - Original Message - From: MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 11:13 AM Subject: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer If you do figure out how to get back to XP let me know. My daughter has a new HP laptop that she wants to go back to XP on. Problem is HP doesn't provide any drivers for the computer that will work with XP. Since she uses the computer for relaxation (games). Linux won't work because the games she wants to run won't run on Linux. or is there some way to install XP in Linux and have the Linux drivers run the computer? How much would that slow things down because she has the games turned down to medium to low detail just to run them now. Any slow down and you might as well forget about playing. Manfred Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:47:36 -0400 From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net Subject: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer Hi Tim - Thx but no thx - it sounds too complicated for no improvement in performance. You didn't mention if it would improve security but I doubt it,. You're right about the configuration - presently the Ext HD is shown as a drive in the desktop. And when on the desktop I see it like that - it shows the 2 HDs in the puter and the 3rd as C, D, E F and H as the ext. I use software called Network Magic which makes things nuch easier to set up. I had tried unsuccessfuly to set up the LAN so I could print (printer hooked to desktop) with the laptop - followed the instructions but still it said No! But NM configured it perfectly. Until my new laptop added Vista to the mess. But that too can be fixed. once I get rid of Vista and install XP again. Thx agn Take care -- LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com LarryT Porsche Posters!! And Oil Analysis at youroil.net. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe
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Thx Loren for the info about req'd disc space needed to install XP and Vista - - I was using info provided by a Microsoft Help technician - naturally she was wrong. ;-\ Thx agn - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer A fully patched and updated xp copy takes something like 7.5.to 8 gb, so IMHO, it takes at least 10 GB for XP without a lot of software. In practical use, i consider 20gb to be the practical min drive size whether you are using 2000 Pro, xp Pro, or Wissta. When Wissta was released, Fully updated and patched 2000 Pro, XP Pro and Wissta all took about 7.5 to 8 Gb of storage. I found that to be quite interesting. considering they are all built on the 2000 code base, i didn't find it surprising. I just retired a workstation that originally had 2000Pro installed og a 4 gb partition, which was plenty of space. Then i had to replace the drive with a 10 gb partition for the OS, then I had to replace the OS partition with 20GB to handle SP2 and the software I had installed.I don't believe it is wise to run unpatched MS software. HTH At 09:18 AM 4/17/2009, you wrote: There are a couple of ways. I've been fighting this for a while and think I have found the best solution for me - which may not be *your* best solution. Here's your best options (IMO): 1. (What I am doing) - Using a new 500GB Hard drive (~$100) for my laptop (I could use the 250GB HD that came with the laptop but this gives me more room I can use the smaller HD as a ext HD) , I will install Vista with the Recovery Discs, then install XP on a seperate partition. I will use a 3rd partition for my data files. This is the best solution because I don't have to find the HD Driver (and others) for my new Toshiba laptop. Problem is, a XP driver for my Toshiba components may not even exist! You'll need 3GB for XP and 20GB for Vista. Since I have data on my 250GB Hard Drive I'll use a HD Docking station I have ($30) to copy/share files between the 250 500 HDs. 2. Here's another less desirable (IMHO) option. On a seperate PC, download nLite (free) software. Locate the HD driver (and drivers for all other components in your new computer) and place them in a temp folder on your borrowed PC. Run nLite which will use your XP install discs to place a copy of XP Installation on your borrrowed PC. nLite will then integrate the drivers into the files of the XP installation folder. Now you can copy the new XP files containing the drivers onto a CD. Use that CD/s to install XP on your computer and hope you have the correct drivers. It's more complex to describe than to do but the problem is still finding the proper drivers. I started to try this but feel the 1st option will be more likely to work. Using option 1 you can start up on Vista then switch to XP once the computer is running. This is called a Dual Boot System and is very common. \ HTHs LarryT 91 300D - Original Message - From: MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 11:13 AM Subject: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer If you do figure out how to get back to XP let me know. My daughter has a new HP laptop that she wants to go back to XP on. Problem is HP doesn't provide any drivers for the computer that will work with XP. Since she uses the computer for relaxation (games). Linux won't work because the games she wants to run won't run on Linux. or is there some way to install XP in Linux and have the Linux drivers run the computer? How much would that slow things down because she has the games turned down to medium to low detail just to run them now. Any slow down and you might as well forget about playing. Manfred Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:47:36 -0400 From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net Subject: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer Hi Tim - Thx but no thx - it sounds too complicated for no improvement in performance. You didn't mention if it would improve security but I doubt it,. You're right about the configuration - presently the Ext HD is shown as a drive in the desktop. And when on the desktop I see it like that - it shows the 2 HDs in the puter and the 3rd as C, D, E F and H as the ext. I use software called Network Magic which makes things nuch easier to set up. I had tried unsuccessfuly to set up the LAN so I could print (printer hooked to desktop) with the laptop - followed the instructions but still it said No! But NM configured it perfectly. Until my new laptop added Vista to the mess. But that too can be fixed. once I get rid of Vista and install XP again. Thx agn Take care -- LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com
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On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:22:10 -0500 Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com wrote: A fully patched and updated xp copy takes something like 7.5.to 8 gb, so IMHO, it takes at least 10 GB for XP without a lot of software I don't believe it is wise to run unpatched MS software. In setting up recent XP systems at work, I have given the OS a 20 GB partition. I have a 10 GB partition on my work laptop and have to juggle stuff around to keep it empty enough to defragment easily. About the running of unpatched MS software, I'll be much stronger: It is absolutely stupid and foolhardy to run unpatched MS software. If there weren't jillions of people doing that, we wouldn't have all the spam, denial of service, zombie robot network, and other problems we have now. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I agree that 20 Gb is a practical Min size for Windows OS. 7.6 GB for the install leaves less than 25% free space on a 10 gb partition, and is a ticking time bomb. There are clever ways to do minimalist installs, but that is another matter and not for the faint of heart. IN my experience, Chinese grad students are experts ant minimal installs. I fully agree with your statement about running unpatched MS products, not just windows. I just was not as forthright At 02:07 PM 4/17/2009, you wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:22:10 -0500 Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com wrote: A fully patched and updated xp copy takes something like 7.5.to 8 gb, so IMHO, it takes at least 10 GB for XP without a lot of software I don't believe it is wise to run unpatched MS software. In setting up recent XP systems at work, I have given the OS a 20 GB partition. I have a 10 GB partition on my work laptop and have to juggle stuff around to keep it empty enough to defragment easily. About the running of unpatched MS software, I'll be much stronger: It is absolutely stupid and foolhardy to run unpatched MS software. If there weren't jillions of people doing that, we wouldn't have all the spam, denial of service, zombie robot network, and other problems we have now. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thanks Larry, I'll forward this to my daughter as more options. Manfred Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:18:20 -0400 From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer There are a couple of ways. I've been fighting this for a while and think I have found the best solution for me - which may not be *your* best solution. Here's your best options (IMO): 1. (What I am doing) - Using a new 500GB Hard drive (~$100) for my laptop (I could use the 250GB HD that came with the laptop but this gives me more room I can use the smaller HD as a ext HD) , I will install Vista with the Recovery Discs, then install XP on a seperate partition. I will use a 3rd partition for my data files. This is the best solution because I don't have to find the HD Driver (and others) for my new Toshiba laptop. Problem is, a XP driver for my Toshiba components may not even exist! You'll need 3GB for XP and 20GB for Vista. Since I have data on my 250GB Hard Drive I'll use a HD Docking station I have ($30) to copy/share files between the 250 500 HDs. 2. Here's another less desirable (IMHO) option. On a seperate PC, download nLite (free) software. Locate the HD driver (and drivers for all other components in your new computer) and place them in a temp folder on your borrowed PC. Run nLite which will use your XP install discs to place a copy of XP Installation on your borrrowed PC. nLite will then integrate the drivers into the files of the XP installation folder. Now you can copy the new XP files containing the drivers onto a CD. Use that CD/s to install XP on your computer and hope you have the correct drivers. It's more complex to describe than to do but the problem is still finding the proper drivers. I started to try this but feel the 1st option will be more likely to work. Using option 1 you can start up on Vista then switch to XP once the computer is running. This is called a Dual Boot System and is very common. \ HTHs LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I don't believe it is wise to run unpatched MS software. I don't believe it is wise to run their _patched_ software, either. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:49:44 -0700 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I don't believe it is wise to run unpatched MS software. I don't believe it is wise to run their _patched_ software, either. Which I why I run Linux. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Which I wouldn't (and don't) run unpatched either. Patch everything! I don't believe it is wise to run unpatched MS software. I don't believe it is wise to run their _patched_ software, either. Which I why I run Linux. -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos KD5NRO The important thing in aeroplanes is that they shall be speedy Baron Manfred von Richthofen -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090417/6d6c4fb5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thanks Kaleb, My daughter will be working on it as soon as she gets the computer back. I put it into the mail to her last Sat. so she should be getting it very soon. Manfred Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:00:16 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer On my desktop all the stuff was built onto the MB, but I was able to just download the drivers separate for the onboard video and audio stuff. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer
If you do figure out how to get back to XP let me know. My daughter has a new HP laptop that she wants to go back to XP on. Problem is HP doesn't provide any drivers for the computer that will work with XP. Since she uses the computer for relaxation (games). Linux won't work because the games she wants to run won't run on Linux. or is there some way to install XP in Linux and have the Linux drivers run the computer? How much would that slow things down because she has the games turned down to medium to low detail just to run them now. Any slow down and you might as well forget about playing. Manfred Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:47:36 -0400 From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net Subject: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer Hi Tim - Thx but no thx - it sounds too complicated for no improvement in performance. You didn't mention if it would improve security but I doubt it,. You're right about the configuration - presently the Ext HD is shown as a drive in the desktop. And when on the desktop I see it like that - it shows the 2 HDs in the puter and the 3rd as C, D, E F and H as the ext. I use software called Network Magic which makes things nuch easier to set up. I had tried unsuccessfuly to set up the LAN so I could print (printer hooked to desktop) with the laptop - followed the instructions but still it said No! But NM configured it perfectly. Until my new laptop added Vista to the mess. But that too can be fixed. once I get rid of Vista and install XP again. Thx agn Take care -- LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer
I went back to XP on my new computer that came with Vista. AFter I got it installed there were a couple of things that did not work correctly. I simply noted what they were and went to the manufacturer or whatever hardware it was (sound, video etc) and downloaded the xp drivers there. Works great. MG wrote: If you do figure out how to get back to XP let me know. My daughter has a new HP laptop that she wants to go back to XP on. Problem is HP doesn't provide any drivers for the computer that will work with XP. Since she uses the computer for relaxation (games). Linux won't work because the games she wants to run won't run on Linux. or is there some way to install XP in Linux and have the Linux drivers run the computer? How much would that slow things down because she has the games turned down to medium to low detail just to run them now. Any slow down and you might as well forget about playing. Manfred -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer
I'll give that a try. It usually works better with desktop machines. All the integration that manufacturers do in laptops a lot of times makes it impossible for the drivers from the video or whatever chip manufacturers to work right. Still it's the only hope we have. Manfred Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 10:18:31 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer I went back to XP on my new computer that came with Vista. AFter I got it installed there were a couple of things that did not work correctly. I simply noted what they were and went to the manufacturer or whatever hardware it was (sound, video etc) and downloaded the xp drivers there. Works great. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer
Install a virtual machine system, run XP as a virtual machine -- drivers for XP become a non-issue. Vista is only used to host the Virtual Machine. http://www.vmware.com/products/ws/ $189 http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx Free On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 4:31 PM, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: I'll give that a try. It usually works better with desktop machines. All the integration that manufacturers do in laptops a lot of times makes it impossible for the drivers from the video or whatever chip manufacturers to work right. Still it's the only hope we have. Manfred -- The important thing in aeroplanes is that they shall be speedy Baron Manfred von Richthofen OK Don W124 Diesels KD5NRO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090412/1d9ef4c0/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer
On my desktop all the stuff was built onto the MB, but I was able to just download the drivers separate for the onboard video and audio stuff. MG wrote: I'll give that a try. It usually works better with desktop machines. All the integration that manufacturers do in laptops a lot of times makes it impossible for the drivers from the video or whatever chip manufacturers to work right. Still it's the only hope we have. Manfred Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 10:18:31 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer I went back to XP on my new computer that came with Vista. AFter I got it installed there were a couple of things that did not work correctly. I simply noted what they were and went to the manufacturer or whatever hardware it was (sound, video etc) and downloaded the xp drivers there. Works great. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] QRe: Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer
Hi Tim - Thx but no thx - it sounds too complicated for no improvement in performance. You didn't mention if it would improve security but I doubt it,. You're right about the configuration - presently the Ext HD is shown as a drive in the desktop. And when on the desktop I see it like that - it shows the 2 HDs in the puter and the 3rd as C, D, E F and H as the ext. I use software called Network Magic which makes things nuch easier to set up. I had tried unsuccessfuly to set up the LAN so I could print (printer hooked to desktop) with the laptop - followed the instructions but still it said No! But NM configured it perfectly. Until my new laptop added Vista to the mess. But that too can be fixed. once I get rid of Vista and install XP again. Thx agn Take care -- LarryT 91 300D - Original message -- From: Tim C bb...@crone.us To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:11 PM Subject: [MBZ] Ext HDD, was RE: OT -new computer The networked storage will seem faster than USB on the laptop but probably not the desktop, if I'm reading your setup correctly. (USB always on desktop, laptop uses networked file sharing from desktop?) You're talking about something more complicated than USB to ethernet, you need a USB host (like a computer) for that to work. There are widgets that allow you to put a SATA or IDE drive on an ethernet network - sometimes they double as routers - but they aren't particularly cheap, at least compared to USB versions. Consumer models typically run small Linux distros and appear to attached machines as Windows file shares, at least. I can dig up a couple of product links if you still want to go this route. Best, -Tim -Original Message- From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 2:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT -new computer While we're talking about computers I thought I'd ask about this - I have a 500gb Ext Hard Drive and presently it's attached to my desktop with a USB cable. I have a LAN with the Desktop, a Laptop in an adjoining room and a printer attached to the desktop. The cable modem is attached to the router the to the desktop and laptop - I was thinking the Ext HD might perform better if attached to router - - is that correct? I'll need a cable converter to switch from USB to Ethernet but those are easy to get. Would it run faster? Be more secure? Make no difference? I'd better not start talking about the things I dislike about Vista - and how difficult they make it to go back to XP = Thx - LarryT - Original Message - From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT -new computer WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com writes: Well, I HAVE been wrestling with the problem of transfering info from the old Win 98 computer to the new Win Vista computer. All of the instructions with the new one say, Use Windows Easy Transfer (WET), and for Win 98, Install WET on the '98 computer by installing program with disc or download from microsoft. com. Maybe you can just move the hard drive from the Win98 machine and install it on the Vista machine as a 2nd hard drive? Then you can just copy what you need from the old drive to the new. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com LarryT Porsche Posters!! And Oil Analysis at youroil.net. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To sea ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com LarryT Porsche Posters!! And Oil Analysis at youroil.net. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
