Re: [MBZ] Tappet noise - and oil level compared to W123
Hi Mitch, You asked:< I bet she's looking for somebody to pin the blame on for the > rod jumping through the block. What's a four ball wear test cost? > $100? $200? Some oil mfgs have warranties against lube failure.>> Yep, all tests including viscosty tests - Have never been asked for a 4 ball wear test - will investigate. The things we normally test for are shown in the Test Results at http://members.rennlist.com/oil where you'll find links to the results as well as a table showing potential sources of contamiation. The cost of TBN has gone way up for some reason - my cost is $20 and I can't in good conscience mark that up for my customers so I won't suggest they get TBNs unless they really want it - then it'll be at my cost.. Anyway - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tappet noise - and oil level compared to W123 > > > LarryT wrote: >> >> Like you, she said the oil was like colored water when her mechanic >> drained it.Naturally, she wanted to have it analyzed to see what it >> would tell. > > I assume your kits test viscosity? > I bet she's looking for somebody to pin the blame on for the > rod jumping through the block. What's a four ball wear test cost? > $100? $200? Some oil mfgs have warranties against lube failure. > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.6/866 - Release Date: 6/25/2007 > 9:43 AM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tappet noise - and oil level compared to W123
LarryT wrote: > > Like you, she said the oil was like colored water when her mechanic > drained it.Naturally, she wanted to have it analyzed to see what it > would tell. I assume your kits test viscosity? I bet she's looking for somebody to pin the blame on for the rod jumping through the block. What's a four ball wear test cost? $100? $200? Some oil mfgs have warranties against lube failure. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tappet noise - and oil level compared to W123
I had a lady call me Saturday asking about an Oil Analysis kit - seems her 2000 Chrysler 300M's engine has a 1" dia hole in the block. She bought it 2 years ago from a Chrysler as a "Certified Pre-Owned Used Chrysler" which had th 120 point checklist and she bought the 2 year warranty which expired the 1st of April. Like you, she said the oil was like colored water when her mechanic drained it.Naturally, she wanted to have it analyzed to see what it would tell. I tried to explain that the hole in the block was more explanatory than a test - but the test might be helpful if she takes legal action. I agree with the comment about being cautious if you don't change the oil yourself. It's very hard to find people to trust your sometimes very expensive car. A friend took his almost new trunk back to the dealer for 12k service and put spots of White-Out on various drain plugs. When he picked the car up he checked the drain plugs and none were disturbed. Not the Rear Axle, transmission of sump. When confronted, they claimed ignorance, said it must have been a new guy and gave him a coupon for a free service. Awful big of them. I've never taken my cars anywhere for service and been as happy as I would have been had I done the work myself. That's the way things are now a days. - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tappet noise - and oil level compared to W123 > "Kevin Kraly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Have you changed the oil yet? If not, do you know what's in the >> crankcase? For all you know, it could be something slightly thicker >> than water which would explain the problem. There are MANY out >> there who don't use Diesel rated oils in their diesels. In other >> words, if you haven't already done it, change the oil and see what >> happens. > > I recently bought a Nissan truck (used) from a Nissan dealer. It was > a "certified" pre-owned yada yada and one of the things they claimed > they did was change the oil. You'd think it would have a OEM filter > and the proper oil right? > > No, evidently for their used car pre-sale service they send the car > across the street to K-Mart for the oil change. Had a generic filter > and what seemed to be 0W-20 in it (owners manual calls for 5W-30). > When I drained it it was like brown water running out. > > There was a lot of clatter on start up, a certain amount of which is > considered "normal" for this engine but after I installed the OEM > filter (with anti-drainback valve) and M1 5W-30, it was MUCH reduced. > > Bottom line is, unless YOU put it in, or you COMPLETELY trust your > shop, you don't know WHAT fluids are in the car. > > Allan > -- > 1983 300D > 1966 230 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.6/866 - Release Date: 6/25/2007 > 9:43 AM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tappet noise - and oil level compared to W123
Zoltan Finks wrote: > I guess the question that remains is: those of you who have 190Ds, how > long does it take for your oil gauge to respond, and how long to reach > the 3 bar mark? Not a crucial question, maybe, but I would like to > know. With Mobil 1 in the engine it seldom takes more than a few seconds for the oil pressure to peg the needle. With conventional oil and with bad "O" rings on the oil filter cap stem, it could take 5+ seconds. You can't use conventional oil on an OM60x engine after 100-150kmi and NOT have a lot of lifter clatter. Mobil 1 is FAR superior to group III oils like Rotella and Castrol synthetics to quiet lifer clatter. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tappet noise - and oil level compared to W123
Takes a few seconds for the gauge to come up on all my cars with gauges. Replace the o-rings, they are very likely rock hard. I've done mine twice now in 100,000 miles. You can check the tappets next time you have the valve cover off -- if you can collapse them by hand with a screwdriver (pushing straight down beside the cam loe) they are shot. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tappet noise - and oil level compared to W123
Okay, appreciate the answers. After driving around for a couple hours and pulling back into my driveway, there is a lot less tapping. I agree - I should change out the oil. The seller says he had it changed with Castrol 15W 50. There is a Master Lube sticker in the windshield the corroborates his claim of having it changed, and a receipt that says "customer oil discount". Despite the cheapskate in me, yes, I should change the oil soon. I guess the question that remains is: those of you who have 190Ds, how long does it take for your oil gauge to respond, and how long to reach the 3 bar mark? Not a crucial question, maybe, but I would like to know. Brian 87 190D On 6/25/07, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Kevin Kraly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Have you changed the oil yet? If not, do you know what's in the > > crankcase? For all you know, it could be something slightly thicker > > than water which would explain the problem. There are MANY out > > there who don't use Diesel rated oils in their diesels. In other > > words, if you haven't already done it, change the oil and see what > > happens. > > I recently bought a Nissan truck (used) from a Nissan dealer. It was > a "certified" pre-owned yada yada and one of the things they claimed > they did was change the oil. You'd think it would have a OEM filter > and the proper oil right? > > No, evidently for their used car pre-sale service they send the car > across the street to K-Mart for the oil change. Had a generic filter > and what seemed to be 0W-20 in it (owners manual calls for 5W-30). > When I drained it it was like brown water running out. > > There was a lot of clatter on start up, a certain amount of which is > considered "normal" for this engine but after I installed the OEM > filter (with anti-drainback valve) and M1 5W-30, it was MUCH reduced. > > Bottom line is, unless YOU put it in, or you COMPLETELY trust your > shop, you don't know WHAT fluids are in the car. > > Allan > -- > 1983 300D > 1966 230 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tappet noise - and oil level compared to W123
"Kevin Kraly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Have you changed the oil yet? If not, do you know what's in the > crankcase? For all you know, it could be something slightly thicker > than water which would explain the problem. There are MANY out > there who don't use Diesel rated oils in their diesels. In other > words, if you haven't already done it, change the oil and see what > happens. I recently bought a Nissan truck (used) from a Nissan dealer. It was a "certified" pre-owned yada yada and one of the things they claimed they did was change the oil. You'd think it would have a OEM filter and the proper oil right? No, evidently for their used car pre-sale service they send the car across the street to K-Mart for the oil change. Had a generic filter and what seemed to be 0W-20 in it (owners manual calls for 5W-30). When I drained it it was like brown water running out. There was a lot of clatter on start up, a certain amount of which is considered "normal" for this engine but after I installed the OEM filter (with anti-drainback valve) and M1 5W-30, it was MUCH reduced. Bottom line is, unless YOU put it in, or you COMPLETELY trust your shop, you don't know WHAT fluids are in the car. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tappet noise - and oil level compared to W123
Have you changed the oil yet? If not, do you know what's in the crankcase? For all you know, it could be something slightly thicker than water which would explain the problem. There are MANY out there who don't use Diesel rated oils in their diesels. In other words, if you haven't already done it, change the oil and see what happens. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tappet noise - and oil level compared to W123
Brian, Your 190D should have a sensor to tell you when the oil is low. On mine its still above the add line when the light comes on. Since its a new to you car you probably don't know if the light works or not so keep an eye on it at first. But yeah, don't add until it NEEDS it. My 190D made hellacious tappet noise when I first got it, noisier than my 240D. Now after 30,000 miles of Mobil 1 15w50 its really very quiet. Change the oil ASAP and get some sample kits from Larry. Sampling will tell you whats going on in the engine. Mine 190D was way badly sludged up when I first got it. Early samples had way high iron levels. Samples now are normal. -Curt Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:40:26 -0700 From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [MBZ] Tappet noise - and oil level compared to W123 To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Question: Does the rule apply here as it does with my 240D - the one that says do not add engine oil until the level gets down to the add mark (in other words, don't add when it's half way between the full and add marks?) Now I have another thing to turn more hair grey. When I start the engine, I hear the tappets knock (hope that's good terminology for a diesel). And the oil gauge takes a lot longer than I want to respond - maybe some five seconds. When the gauge does respond, the engine idle slows a bit maybe, and the tappet noise lessens. Now, I notice that there seems to be a tappet noise constantly as it idles in my driveway. Unless it's an exhaust leak, but I doubt it. I'll drive it and see how long it persists - maybe is lessening as the engine warms up? I appreciate all advice here - these are big questions in my mind as I hope this is not a lemon. Brian 87 190D - Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tappet noise - and oil level compared to W123
Zoltan Finks wrote: > Now, I notice that there seems to be a tappet noise constantly as it > idles in my driveway. Unless it's an exhaust leak, but I doubt it. > I'll drive it and see how long it persists - maybe is lessening as the > engine warms up? Synthetic Mobil1 is supposed to fix that. May take a few oil changes to fix it though. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tappet noise - and oil level compared to W123
Zoltan Finks wrote: > Question: Does the rule apply here as it does with my 240D - the one > that says do not add engine oil until the level gets down to the add > mark (in other words, don't add when it's half way between the full > and add marks?) > > Now I have another thing to turn more hair grey. When I start the > engine, I hear the tappets knock (hope that's good terminology for a > diesel). And the oil gauge takes a lot longer than I want to respond - > maybe some five seconds. When the gauge does respond, the engine idle > slows a bit maybe, and the tappet noise lessens. > > Now, I notice that there seems to be a tappet noise constantly as it > idles in my driveway. Unless it's an exhaust leak, but I doubt it. > I'll drive it and see how long it persists - maybe is lessening as the > engine warms up? > > I appreciate all advice here - these are big questions in my mind as I > hope this is not a lemon. Are you using Mobil 1 oil (at least 5W40 or 15W-50 - NOT 0W40)? Have you replaced the two "O" rings on the oil filter cap stem recently (they last about 20-30 kmi)? If the answer to both of the above is yes, then your engine is worn and you MIGHT want to consider lifter replacement of any that are TESTED and shown to be bad. If the car isn't driven or run for a long lime, lifter noise will usually be louder until the engine is run at 2000+ rpm for 5 minutes or so. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Tappet noise - and oil level compared to W123
Question: Does the rule apply here as it does with my 240D - the one that says do not add engine oil until the level gets down to the add mark (in other words, don't add when it's half way between the full and add marks?) Now I have another thing to turn more hair grey. When I start the engine, I hear the tappets knock (hope that's good terminology for a diesel). And the oil gauge takes a lot longer than I want to respond - maybe some five seconds. When the gauge does respond, the engine idle slows a bit maybe, and the tappet noise lessens. Now, I notice that there seems to be a tappet noise constantly as it idles in my driveway. Unless it's an exhaust leak, but I doubt it. I'll drive it and see how long it persists - maybe is lessening as the engine warms up? I appreciate all advice here - these are big questions in my mind as I hope this is not a lemon. Brian 87 190D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
