[MBZ] Walmart 134

[RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes]

Folks

The $4.88 Walmart link seems to be old and no stock …. I saw another at 8.88

Xx rick

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Re: [MBZ] Walmart

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Had never seen the movie. We watched it today. Glossed over so many details in 
the book I sort of thought it was hard to follow. But I guess that’s usually 
the case when a movie is made from a book.

On Sat, Apr 1, 2023, at 19:23, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> There’s a movie, too. Unsettling.
>
> -D
>
>> On Apr 1, 2023, at 7:21 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Just read a book about Savannah. “Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil.” 
>> 
>> On Sat, Apr 1, 2023, at 16:23, RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Folks 
>>> 
>>> Savannah has several superstore Walmarts but our closest which is 
>>> between Savannah and Tybee on Whitmarsh island is a vintage small store 
>>> Walmart …. It sells beer and fry good groceries, but is not a 
>>> supermarket or super store …. It makes for a much easier in and out 
>>> experience. It has all the normal departments but no produce or 
>>> refrigerated food.
>>> 
>>> I’m surprised it still exists..
>>> 
>>> Xx rick
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I agree - it is a good read.

On Sat, Apr 1, 2023 at 6:22 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Just read a book about Savannah. “Midnight in the Garden of Good and
> Evil.”
>
> On Sat, Apr 1, 2023, at 16:23, RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes wrote:
> > Folks
> >
> > Savannah has several superstore Walmarts but our closest which is
> > between Savannah and Tybee on Whitmarsh island is a vintage small store
> > Walmart …. It sells beer and fry good groceries, but is not a
> > supermarket or super store …. It makes for a much easier in and out
> > experience. It has all the normal departments but no produce or
> > refrigerated food.
> >
> > I’m surprised it still exists..
> >
> > Xx rick
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

That’s an excellent book. There’s (is/was) a lot that goes on under the surface 
around here 

You need to go back and follow the Murdaugh business for some good Suthrun good 
ol boy corruption and crime. There’s a Netflix documentary about it that’s 
sorta OK but the Murdaugh Murders podcast is excellent — start at the beginning 
and listen to them all. They’ve got them on YouTube now too. They all lived 
down about halfway between Charleston and Beaufort SC which isn’t too far from 
Savannah. And there’s more coming on that whole story. 

--FT
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> On Apr 1, 2023, at 7:22 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Just read a book about Savannah. “Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil.” 
> 
>> On Sat, Apr 1, 2023, at 16:23, RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes wrote:
>> Folks 
>> 
>> Savannah has several superstore Walmarts but our closest which is 
>> between Savannah and Tybee on Whitmarsh island is a vintage small store 
>> Walmart …. It sells beer and fry good groceries, but is not a 
>> supermarket or super store …. It makes for a much easier in and out 
>> experience. It has all the normal departments but no produce or 
>> refrigerated food.
>> 
>> I’m surprised it still exists..
>> 
>> Xx rick
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

There’s a movie, too. Unsettling.

-D

> On Apr 1, 2023, at 7:21 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Just read a book about Savannah. “Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil.” 
> 
> On Sat, Apr 1, 2023, at 16:23, RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes wrote:
>> Folks 
>> 
>> Savannah has several superstore Walmarts but our closest which is 
>> between Savannah and Tybee on Whitmarsh island is a vintage small store 
>> Walmart …. It sells beer and fry good groceries, but is not a 
>> supermarket or super store …. It makes for a much easier in and out 
>> experience. It has all the normal departments but no produce or 
>> refrigerated food.
>> 
>> I’m surprised it still exists..
>> 
>> Xx rick
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Just read a book about Savannah. “Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil.” 

On Sat, Apr 1, 2023, at 16:23, RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes wrote:
> Folks 
>
> Savannah has several superstore Walmarts but our closest which is 
> between Savannah and Tybee on Whitmarsh island is a vintage small store 
> Walmart …. It sells beer and fry good groceries, but is not a 
> supermarket or super store …. It makes for a much easier in and out 
> experience. It has all the normal departments but no produce or 
> refrigerated food.
>
> I’m surprised it still exists..
>
> Xx rick
>
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[MBZ] Walmart

[RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes]

Folks 

Savannah has several superstore Walmarts but our closest which is between 
Savannah and Tybee on Whitmarsh island is a vintage small store Walmart …. It 
sells beer and fry good groceries, but is not a supermarket or super store …. 
It makes for a much easier in and out experience. It has all the normal 
departments but no produce or refrigerated food.

I’m surprised it still exists..

Xx rick


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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Perhaps more info than you want, but this is a decent write-up on lead/acid
batteries followed by another one a chargers:

A look at the differences between auto and aircraft batteries, plus some
tips on maintenance.
Bob Fritz - May 20, 2009

The engine wont start, or it turns slowly. But your battery is only two
years old, and it was expensive! Dang it…the thing should work, and you
should be flying right now.

You’ve been there, done that and cursed the battery. Sometime during the
process of pulling the old one out and installing a new one, you probably
toyed with the idea of going to an auto-supply store and buying a cheap
battery; its only used for starting and you could hand-prop the plane, so
why incur the expense? How different could they be?

With that as my premise, I went off to the battery manufacturers with a few
basic questions: Are airplane batteries different from automobile
batteries? If not, why the higher cost? If so, then how are they different,
and do they require different maintenance? The short answers: Yes, airplane
batteries are different; and, yes, they require different maintenance.
Into the Way-back Machine

First, let’s review the nature of the beast. Although Ben Franklin coined
the term, and the first battery was built before 250 BCE, in Baghdad, the
first practical battery was invented in 1859 by French physicist Gaston
Plant. Today there are several variations on it with techno-names such as
recombinant gas and absorbed glass mat, but at their heart, they’re still
based on Plants idea.

Our friend Plant was fiddling around in the lab with lead, which seemed to
be very resistant to the effects of acid. He discovered that, though the
lead wasn’t eaten away as were most other metals when dunked in acid, the
combination did generate a voltage. More significantly, he discovered that
this battery could be discharged and then re-charged. But he was stuck at
2.2 volts per circuit. It didn’t matter if the lead plate had more surface
area or a greater thickness; it was 2.2 volts per plate. We’re still there.

Raising the voltage was easily done; just add more plates and connect the
positive lead on plate #1 to the negative lead of plate #2. Connect the
voltmeter to the remaining poles, and you see 4.4 volts. Put six sets of
plates together in this fashion, and you get 13.2 volts.

My expert on the subject of batteries, Skip Koss, at Concorde, laughed when
I asked why its called a 12-volt battery if its really 13.2 volts. Ive no
idea, he said. Tradition! I got a call from a guy wanting to know what was
wrong with his battery; it was down to 11.5 volts and wouldn’t start the
airplane. I had to tell him it was a dead battery, but I couldn’t convince
him that the numbers don’t really tell the story.

Before going further, lets define a few terms and offer a couple of
analogies:

Voltage (V) is the potential to do work; think of it as water pressure,
measured in PSI.

Current (amps) indicates how many electrons are flowing through a
conductor, measured in Amp-hour (Ah). Multiply amps times hours and you get
amp-hour. Think of this as gallons per hour such as in a large river.

Power (watts) is amps multiplied by volts, measured in gallons per hour at
some psi. A large, fast-flowing pipe filled with water under pressure.

Watt-hours. All of the above multiplied give you the equivalent of gallons
per hour for a number of hours. Visualize a large fast-flowing river able
to flow for a lot of hours.

Its about as obvious as a thumb tack on a church pew that rating a battery
in amp-hours is not the best measure of the battery; watt-hours would be
ideal, but the industry is stuck with Ah. Maybe thats short for Ah, well.
Trade-offs and Compromises

Plant also discovered that with plates having a greater surface area, he
got more power (amperage) to turn heavy loads; with thicker plates, he got
a longer discharge time. Think of the plate as a sponge for electrons; with
a lot of surface area the electrons are on the surface; a thick sponge has
them deeper in.

The other trade-off is in the system voltage. If you have a 1200-watt
device, you need a combination of voltage multiplied by amperage: W = V x
A. But as amperage goes up, the wiring gets hot. 12 volts x 100 amps = 1200
watts, and that will definitely heat the wiring. Ever notice how hot jumper
cables get?

But if you raise the voltage, you can lower the amperage: 24 volts x 50
amps = 1200 watts. Now you can use smaller gauge wiring. The only problem
is that 24-volt devices are more expensive.

Think on that for a minute, and you’ll see that these factors can be traded
around according to the requirement. A large airplane needs to have a
deep-discharge capacity to run flaps, avionics and landing gear in case the
generating system quits. That means a 24-volt system (or more) and a
battery with thick plates for deep discharge. (Remember that how its wired
internally, not plate geometry, determines the voltage.) Every pound and
dollar counts for

Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

There's a lot of thermal mass in a battery.  Could still be warm from
the charging, plus slight heating from the draw-down.

What is 'tests good'?  That covers a lot of ground, all the way from
"has two terminals and isn't gushing through a hole in the side", to
brand new.

There are six cells, any one of which could be sub-optimal and thus
rendering the battery _not_ good.  Increased series resistance; reduced
plate capacity, due to erosion or a break in the plate structure; electrical 
leakage;
poisoned cell chemistry...

'Tests good'?  All of those, and more, times six...

To test a battery thoroughly requires access to the individual cell terminals,
and the electrolyte, of each of the six cells.  And even that won't tell you 
much
about electrical leakage, though you can infer that from reduced voltage and
capacity when compared to other, known good, cells, starting from a known
state of charge.

In most cases, 'tests good' is about as reliable as "idiot light is not on."
My wife's SL's battery 'tested good', meaning started the car without problems,
until the time it exploded when she hit the key!

A _thorough_ test for most consumer goods probably costs more than just
purchasing a new whatsis.  Only done in laboratories, usually in-house at
the manufacturers'.  The rest of the time we just rely on quick/cheap litmus
tests.  If it 'tests' good, but is still acting up, we just replace it and move 
on.

Run your weak battery flat.  Maybe several times.  If there's a weak cell the
rest of the battery will attempt to reverse-charge it once the terminal voltage
goes below 10V.  That'll do it in in short order, car batteries don't have 
internal
BMS for self-protection like laptop batteries do.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

So had the battery on the charger all night and came out to the shop this 
morning and it’s only at 80% charged. Was warm to the touch, more so than 
normal with a battery on a charger I would think. Still tests good. Hooked it 
up to a car and left head lights on all afternoon. It’s down to 12.17 right now 
and with it just powering the lights battery is slightly warm. Should it be 
warm at all? Will leave lights on all night and see how it tests tomorrow. Will 
charge it up and repeat until I can get it to test bad, then will take it back 
to Walmart. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 30, 2022, at 4:08 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> What would cause a battery to discharge after a week or 2 of sitting on the 
>> shelf but tests good?
> 
> An internal current leak.  You can only prove those exist indirectly.
> 
> -- Jim
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I've not had a problem with NAPA batteries but I will say that in my experience 
they cannot be relied upon to test them.

I had a Volvo-branded battery in my XC90 that would seem to discharge rapidly, 
often overnight.

Drove it to NAPA, they tested it, and said it looked good. When I tried to 
start the car to leave, it would not start. They gave me a jump with a booster 
pack, and suggested I get it tested at a battery shop. I drove over to 
Interstate and they tested it, it was bad, and I bought a new battery there. No 
problems since.



On Sat, Apr 30, 2022, at 7:31 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:
> I had  a NAPA house brand and the damned thing would go dead overnight.  I
> would jump  it, take it to NAPA, they'd say it's fine.  The drive over was
> enough to charge it enough to make it look fine.  Finally had it die on the
> road.   AAA driver said it was NFG.  Went over to Walleyworld and got a new
> one.  No problems to date.
>
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 8:21 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> You get what you pay for.
>>
>> I used to buy Interstate and never had any problem getting the rated life
>> out of them.
>>
>> Lately I've been buying NAPA's house brand and had good luck with them so
>> far.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, at 9:06 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> > Walmart seems to be the cheapest place to get batteries these days.
>> >
>> > This battery was in a car I bought but went completely dead.  I am not
>> > sure if it went completely dead because it was discharging but most
>> > likely because it was sitting in the car too long not started after I
>> > bought it.  Its still under warranty so I am trying to get it replaced.
>> > I guess I am just going to have to kill it completely and try again in a
>> > month or so.
>> >
>> > On 4/29/2022 7:55 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:
>> >> I am talking in general. I have had good battery success with auto
>> >> parts stores like Advance or a local one.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 8:53 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I would agree however this battery came from there and want to get
>> >> it replaced.
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >> > On Apr 29, 2022, at 7:49 PM, Dwight Giles
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > 
>> >> > stay away from Walmart
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 7:05 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> >> So they put in on their charger and said it charged up, after
>> >> 30 minutes. Yet it discharged just sitting there. I will take it
>> >> back home and put it back on the charger but as soon as removed
>> >> I’m sure it will be discharged within a couple of week. What is
>> >> the quickest way I can ruin this battery so it tests bad and they
>> >> exchange it?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:28 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > So no charge?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > --FT
>> >> >> > Sent from iFōn
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> On Apr 29, 2022, at 6:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> It’s currently on their charger. Will come back in about an
>> >> hour
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>  On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Buggered Benzmail via
>> >> Mercedes  wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Will they charge you for it?
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> --FT
>> >> >> >>> Sent from iFōn
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> > On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>  You all might remember the battery I have that will never
>> >> reach full charge but tests good with the electronic tester. With
>> >> it removed from charger, after about 2 weeks volts drop to about
>> >> 12 volts or do. Right now it’s at 11.8, that’s sitting on shelf
>> >> after about 3-4 weeks. Took it to Walmart. Their machine tests it
>> >> good so they have it on charger now. I doubt it ever gets to
>> >> complete charge there either. Will go back up there in about an
>> hour.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>  Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> What would cause a battery to discharge after a week or 2 of sitting on the 
> shelf but tests good?

An internal current leak.  You can only prove those exist indirectly.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Todd from Project Farm did some battery testing a while back. 
https://youtu.be/h7rTcBanpMk


Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

BUT, how much time have you wasted on this battery? Your time is worth 
something.


Randy


On 29/04/2022 8:06 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Walmart seems to be the cheapest place to get batteries these days.

This battery was in a car I bought but went completely dead.  I am not 
sure if it went completely dead because it was discharging but most 
likely because it was sitting in the car too long not started after I 
bought it.  Its still under warranty so I am trying to get it 
replaced.  I guess I am just going to have to kill it completely and 
try again in a month or so.


On 4/29/2022 7:55 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:
I am talking in general. I have had good battery success with auto 
parts stores like Advance or a local one.


On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 8:53 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:


    I would agree however this battery came from there and want to get
    it replaced.

    Sent from my iPhone

    > On Apr 29, 2022, at 7:49 PM, Dwight Giles
     wrote:
    >
    > 
    > stay away from Walmart
    >
    >> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 7:05 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
     wrote:
    >> So they put in on their charger and said it charged up, after
    30 minutes. Yet it discharged just sitting there. I will take it
    back home and put it back on the charger but as soon as removed
    I’m sure it will be discharged within a couple of week. What is
    the quickest way I can ruin this battery so it tests bad and they
    exchange it?
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Sent from my iPhone
    >>
    >> > On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:28 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
     wrote:
    >> >
    >> > So no charge?
    >> >
    >> > --FT
    >> > Sent from iFōn
    >> >
    >> >> On Apr 29, 2022, at 6:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
     wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> It’s currently on their charger. Will come back in about an
    hour
    >> >>
    >> >> Sent from my iPhone
    >> >>
    >>  On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Buggered Benzmail via
    Mercedes  wrote:
    >> >>>
    >> >>> Will they charge you for it?
    >> >>>
    >> >>> --FT
    >> >>> Sent from iFōn
    >> >>>
    >> > On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
     wrote:
    >> 
    >>  You all might remember the battery I have that will never
    reach full charge but tests good with the electronic tester. With
    it removed from charger, after about 2 weeks volts drop to about
    12 volts or do. Right now it’s at 11.8, that’s sitting on shelf
    after about 3-4 weeks. Took it to Walmart. Their machine tests it
    good so they have it on charger now. I doubt it ever gets to
    complete charge there either. Will go back up there in about an 
hour.

    >> 
    >>  Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

I had  a NAPA house brand and the damned thing would go dead overnight.  I
would jump  it, take it to NAPA, they'd say it's fine.  The drive over was
enough to charge it enough to make it look fine.  Finally had it die on the
road.   AAA driver said it was NFG.  Went over to Walleyworld and got a new
one.  No problems to date.

On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 8:21 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You get what you pay for.
>
> I used to buy Interstate and never had any problem getting the rated life
> out of them.
>
> Lately I've been buying NAPA's house brand and had good luck with them so
> far.
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, at 9:06 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > Walmart seems to be the cheapest place to get batteries these days.
> >
> > This battery was in a car I bought but went completely dead.  I am not
> > sure if it went completely dead because it was discharging but most
> > likely because it was sitting in the car too long not started after I
> > bought it.  Its still under warranty so I am trying to get it replaced.
> > I guess I am just going to have to kill it completely and try again in a
> > month or so.
> >
> > On 4/29/2022 7:55 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:
> >> I am talking in general. I have had good battery success with auto
> >> parts stores like Advance or a local one.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 8:53 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> I would agree however this battery came from there and want to get
> >> it replaced.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On Apr 29, 2022, at 7:49 PM, Dwight Giles
> >>  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > 
> >> > stay away from Walmart
> >> >
> >> >> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 7:05 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >> >> So they put in on their charger and said it charged up, after
> >> 30 minutes. Yet it discharged just sitting there. I will take it
> >> back home and put it back on the charger but as soon as removed
> >> I’m sure it will be discharged within a couple of week. What is
> >> the quickest way I can ruin this battery so it tests bad and they
> >> exchange it?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:28 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So no charge?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --FT
> >> >> > Sent from iFōn
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Apr 29, 2022, at 6:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It’s currently on their charger. Will come back in about an
> >> hour
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> >> >>
> >> >>  On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Buggered Benzmail via
> >> Mercedes  wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Will they charge you for it?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> --FT
> >> >> >>> Sent from iFōn
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> > On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >>  You all might remember the battery I have that will never
> >> reach full charge but tests good with the electronic tester. With
> >> it removed from charger, after about 2 weeks volts drop to about
> >> 12 volts or do. Right now it’s at 11.8, that’s sitting on shelf
> >> after about 3-4 weeks. Took it to Walmart. Their machine tests it
> >> good so they have it on charger now. I doubt it ever gets to
> >> complete charge there either. Will go back up there in about an
> hour.
> >> >> 
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I agree, maybe the price was low but if it fails that's wasted money.
Curt

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  On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 9:40 PM, Dwight Giles via 
Mercedes wrote:   well my view on Wal-Mart is not 
mainstream but from my grandmother- penny
wise & pound foolish..  I go to Wal-Mart once a year to buy my Mobil 1

On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 9:06 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Walmart seems to be the cheapest place to get batteries these days.
>
> This battery was in a car I bought but went completely dead.  I am not
> sure if it went completely dead because it was discharging but most
> likely because it was sitting in the car too long not started after I
> bought it.  Its still under warranty so I am trying to get it replaced.
> I guess I am just going to have to kill it completely and try again in a
> month or so.
>
> On 4/29/2022 7:55 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:
> > I am talking in general. I have had good battery success with auto
> > parts stores like Advance or a local one.
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 8:53 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >    I would agree however this battery came from there and want to get
> >    it replaced.
> >
> >    Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >    > On Apr 29, 2022, at 7:49 PM, Dwight Giles
> >     wrote:
> >    >
> >    > 
> >    > stay away from Walmart
> >    >
> >    >> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 7:05 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >     wrote:
> >    >> So they put in on their charger and said it charged up, after
> >    30 minutes. Yet it discharged just sitting there. I will take it
> >    back home and put it back on the charger but as soon as removed
> >    I’m sure it will be discharged within a couple of week. What is
> >    the quickest way I can ruin this battery so it tests bad and they
> >    exchange it?
> >    >>
> >    >>
> >    >>
> >    >>
> >    >> Sent from my iPhone
> >    >>
> >    >> > On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:28 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
> >     wrote:
> >    >> >
> >    >> > So no charge?
> >    >> >
> >    >> > --FT
> >    >> > Sent from iFōn
> >    >> >
> >    >> >> On Apr 29, 2022, at 6:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >     wrote:
> >    >> >>
> >    >> >> It’s currently on their charger. Will come back in about an
> >    hour
> >    >> >>
> >    >> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >    >> >>
> >    >>  On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Buggered Benzmail via
> >    Mercedes  wrote:
> >    >> >>>
> >    >> >>> Will they charge you for it?
> >    >> >>>
> >    >> >>> --FT
> >    >> >>> Sent from iFōn
> >    >> >>>
> >    >> > On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >     wrote:
> >    >> 
> >    >>  You all might remember the battery I have that will never
> >    reach full charge but tests good with the electronic tester. With
> >    it removed from charger, after about 2 weeks volts drop to about
> >    12 volts or do. Right now it’s at 11.8, that’s sitting on shelf
> >    after about 3-4 weeks. Took it to Walmart. Their machine tests it
> >    good so they have it on charger now. I doubt it ever gets to
> >    complete charge there either. Will go back up there in about an hour.
> >    >> 
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

yes I had Advance replace a battery for me no charge

On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 9:23 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I’ve used Advance Auto’s batteries for some years, and only had one
> instance when one failed prematurely. I would add that it was replaced
> outright at no cost, as I think it was within the first two years.
>
> -D
>
> > On Apr 29, 2022, at 9:19 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > You get what you pay for.
> >
> > I used to buy Interstate and never had any problem getting the rated
> life out of them.
> >
> > Lately I've been buying NAPA's house brand and had good luck with them
> so far.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, at 9:06 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Walmart seems to be the cheapest place to get batteries these days.
> >>
> >> This battery was in a car I bought but went completely dead.  I am not
> >> sure if it went completely dead because it was discharging but most
> >> likely because it was sitting in the car too long not started after I
> >> bought it.  Its still under warranty so I am trying to get it
> replaced.
> >> I guess I am just going to have to kill it completely and try again in
> a
> >> month or so.
> >>
> >> On 4/29/2022 7:55 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:
> >>> I am talking in general. I have had good battery success with auto
> >>> parts stores like Advance or a local one.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 8:53 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>I would agree however this battery came from there and want to get
> >>>it replaced.
> >>>
> >>>Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
>  On Apr 29, 2022, at 7:49 PM, Dwight Giles
> >>> wrote:
> 
>  
>  stay away from Walmart
> 
> > On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 7:05 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >>> wrote:
> > So they put in on their charger and said it charged up, after
> >>>30 minutes. Yet it discharged just sitting there. I will take it
> >>>back home and put it back on the charger but as soon as removed
> >>>I’m sure it will be discharged within a couple of week. What is
> >>>the quickest way I can ruin this battery so it tests bad and they
> >>>exchange it?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:28 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >> So no charge?
> >>
> >> --FT
> >> Sent from iFōn
> >>
> >>> On Apr 29, 2022, at 6:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It’s currently on their charger. Will come back in about an
> >>>hour
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> > On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Buggered Benzmail via
> >>>Mercedes  wrote:
> 
>  Will they charge you for it?
> 
>  --FT
>  Sent from iFōn
> 
> >> On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >>> wrote:
> >
> > You all might remember the battery I have that will never
> >>>reach full charge but tests good with the electronic tester. With
> >>>it removed from charger, after about 2 weeks volts drop to about
> >>>12 volts or do. Right now it’s at 11.8, that’s sitting on shelf
> >>>after about 3-4 weeks. Took it to Walmart. Their machine tests it
> >>>good so they have it on charger now. I doubt it ever gets to
> >>>complete charge there either. Will go back up there in about an
> hour.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

Went to do a periodic maintenance charge on my AA AGM battery one day 
last summer, and it was wet around the negative terminal.
Cleaned it up with a paper towel, charged it, and it corroded my 
negative battery clip on the charger.
Since then, it just keeps puking acid. A sealed battery that I paid 
extra so I could put it in a W140 or W210 without any acid fumes. Never 
been installed in a car. But the warranty expired before it started 
puking, so I paid something like $150 for a battery that will never see 
a car.


On 2022-04-29 21:22, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

I’ve used Advance Auto’s batteries for some years, and only had one
instance when one failed prematurely. I would add that it was replaced
outright at no cost, as I think it was within the first two years.




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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

well my view on Wal-Mart is not mainstream but from my grandmother- penny
wise & pound foolish..  I go to Wal-Mart once a year to buy my Mobil 1

On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 9:06 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Walmart seems to be the cheapest place to get batteries these days.
>
> This battery was in a car I bought but went completely dead.  I am not
> sure if it went completely dead because it was discharging but most
> likely because it was sitting in the car too long not started after I
> bought it.  Its still under warranty so I am trying to get it replaced.
> I guess I am just going to have to kill it completely and try again in a
> month or so.
>
> On 4/29/2022 7:55 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:
> > I am talking in general. I have had good battery success with auto
> > parts stores like Advance or a local one.
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 8:53 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> > I would agree however this battery came from there and want to get
> > it replaced.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Apr 29, 2022, at 7:49 PM, Dwight Giles
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > stay away from Walmart
> > >
> > >> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 7:05 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > >> So they put in on their charger and said it charged up, after
> > 30 minutes. Yet it discharged just sitting there. I will take it
> > back home and put it back on the charger but as soon as removed
> > I’m sure it will be discharged within a couple of week. What is
> > the quickest way I can ruin this battery so it tests bad and they
> > exchange it?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >> > On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:28 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > So no charge?
> > >> >
> > >> > --FT
> > >> > Sent from iFōn
> > >> >
> > >> >> On Apr 29, 2022, at 6:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> It’s currently on their charger. Will come back in about an
> > hour
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >> >>
> > >>  On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Buggered Benzmail via
> > Mercedes  wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Will they charge you for it?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> --FT
> > >> >>> Sent from iFōn
> > >> >>>
> > >> > On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > >> 
> > >>  You all might remember the battery I have that will never
> > reach full charge but tests good with the electronic tester. With
> > it removed from charger, after about 2 weeks volts drop to about
> > 12 volts or do. Right now it’s at 11.8, that’s sitting on shelf
> > after about 3-4 weeks. Took it to Walmart. Their machine tests it
> > good so they have it on charger now. I doubt it ever gets to
> > complete charge there either. Will go back up there in about an hour.
> > >> 
> > >>  Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I’ve used Advance Auto’s batteries for some years, and only had one instance 
when one failed prematurely. I would add that it was replaced outright at no 
cost, as I think it was within the first two years.

-D

> On Apr 29, 2022, at 9:19 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You get what you pay for.
> 
> I used to buy Interstate and never had any problem getting the rated life out 
> of them.
> 
> Lately I've been buying NAPA's house brand and had good luck with them so far.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, at 9:06 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Walmart seems to be the cheapest place to get batteries these days.
>> 
>> This battery was in a car I bought but went completely dead.  I am not 
>> sure if it went completely dead because it was discharging but most 
>> likely because it was sitting in the car too long not started after I 
>> bought it.  Its still under warranty so I am trying to get it replaced.  
>> I guess I am just going to have to kill it completely and try again in a 
>> month or so.
>> 
>> On 4/29/2022 7:55 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:
>>> I am talking in general. I have had good battery success with auto 
>>> parts stores like Advance or a local one.
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 8:53 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>I would agree however this battery came from there and want to get
>>>it replaced.
>>> 
>>>Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 29, 2022, at 7:49 PM, Dwight Giles
>>> wrote:
 
 
 stay away from Walmart
 
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 7:05 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>>> wrote:
> So they put in on their charger and said it charged up, after
>>>30 minutes. Yet it discharged just sitting there. I will take it
>>>back home and put it back on the charger but as soon as removed
>>>I’m sure it will be discharged within a couple of week. What is
>>>the quickest way I can ruin this battery so it tests bad and they
>>>exchange it?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:28 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
>>> wrote:
>> 
>> So no charge?
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2022, at 6:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It’s currently on their charger. Will come back in about an
>>>hour
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Buggered Benzmail via
>>>Mercedes  wrote:
 
 Will they charge you for it?
 
 --FT
 Sent from iFōn
 
>> On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>>> wrote:
> 
> You all might remember the battery I have that will never
>>>reach full charge but tests good with the electronic tester. With
>>>it removed from charger, after about 2 weeks volts drop to about
>>>12 volts or do. Right now it’s at 11.8, that’s sitting on shelf
>>>after about 3-4 weeks. Took it to Walmart. Their machine tests it
>>>good so they have it on charger now. I doubt it ever gets to
>>>complete charge there either. Will go back up there in about an hour.
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

You get what you pay for.

I used to buy Interstate and never had any problem getting the rated life out 
of them.

Lately I've been buying NAPA's house brand and had good luck with them so far.


On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, at 9:06 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> Walmart seems to be the cheapest place to get batteries these days.
>
> This battery was in a car I bought but went completely dead.  I am not 
> sure if it went completely dead because it was discharging but most 
> likely because it was sitting in the car too long not started after I 
> bought it.  Its still under warranty so I am trying to get it replaced.  
> I guess I am just going to have to kill it completely and try again in a 
> month or so.
>
> On 4/29/2022 7:55 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:
>> I am talking in general. I have had good battery success with auto 
>> parts stores like Advance or a local one.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 8:53 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I would agree however this battery came from there and want to get
>> it replaced.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Apr 29, 2022, at 7:49 PM, Dwight Giles
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > 
>> > stay away from Walmart
>> >
>> >> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 7:05 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> >> So they put in on their charger and said it charged up, after
>> 30 minutes. Yet it discharged just sitting there. I will take it
>> back home and put it back on the charger but as soon as removed
>> I’m sure it will be discharged within a couple of week. What is
>> the quickest way I can ruin this battery so it tests bad and they
>> exchange it?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >> > On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:28 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > So no charge?
>> >> >
>> >> > --FT
>> >> > Sent from iFōn
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Apr 29, 2022, at 6:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It’s currently on their charger. Will come back in about an
>> hour
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >> >>
>> >>  On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Buggered Benzmail via
>> Mercedes  wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Will they charge you for it?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --FT
>> >> >>> Sent from iFōn
>> >> >>>
>> >> > On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> >> 
>> >>  You all might remember the battery I have that will never
>> reach full charge but tests good with the electronic tester. With
>> it removed from charger, after about 2 weeks volts drop to about
>> 12 volts or do. Right now it’s at 11.8, that’s sitting on shelf
>> after about 3-4 weeks. Took it to Walmart. Their machine tests it
>> good so they have it on charger now. I doubt it ever gets to
>> complete charge there either. Will go back up there in about an hour.
>> >> 
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yea, but it should not discharge to 12.1 or so volts after a couple of 
weeks, I would not think.


On 4/29/2022 8:12 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

A lot of variables there. I’m not sure I would agree. I expect it would 
discharge, the question would be how quickly?

-D


On Apr 29, 2022, at 9:07 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

This electronic tester shows the internal resistance and it shows to be fine.  
A fully charged battery should be able to sit on the shelf for quite a while 
without discharging I would think.

On 4/29/2022 7:56 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

High internal resistance?

On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 7:35 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


What would cause a battery to discharge after a week or 2 of sitting on
the shelf but tests good?

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 29, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

Run it flat, then hook up a dumb charger in reverse?

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

A lot of variables there. I’m not sure I would agree. I expect it would 
discharge, the question would be how quickly?

-D

> On Apr 29, 2022, at 9:07 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This electronic tester shows the internal resistance and it shows to be fine. 
>  A fully charged battery should be able to sit on the shelf for quite a while 
> without discharging I would think.
> 
> On 4/29/2022 7:56 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>> High internal resistance?
>> 
>> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 7:35 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> What would cause a battery to discharge after a week or 2 of sitting on
>>> the shelf but tests good?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 29, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
 
 Run it flat, then hook up a dumb charger in reverse?
 
 -- Jim
 
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

This electronic tester shows the internal resistance and it shows to be 
fine.  A fully charged battery should be able to sit on the shelf for 
quite a while without discharging I would think.


On 4/29/2022 7:56 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

High internal resistance?

On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 7:35 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


What would cause a battery to discharge after a week or 2 of sitting on
the shelf but tests good?

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 29, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

Run it flat, then hook up a dumb charger in reverse?

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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Walmart seems to be the cheapest place to get batteries these days.

This battery was in a car I bought but went completely dead.  I am not 
sure if it went completely dead because it was discharging but most 
likely because it was sitting in the car too long not started after I 
bought it.  Its still under warranty so I am trying to get it replaced.  
I guess I am just going to have to kill it completely and try again in a 
month or so.


On 4/29/2022 7:55 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:
I am talking in general. I have had good battery success with auto 
parts stores like Advance or a local one.


On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 8:53 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:


I would agree however this battery came from there and want to get
it replaced.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 29, 2022, at 7:49 PM, Dwight Giles
 wrote:
>
> 
> stay away from Walmart
>
>> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 7:05 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:
>> So they put in on their charger and said it charged up, after
30 minutes. Yet it discharged just sitting there. I will take it
back home and put it back on the charger but as soon as removed
I’m sure it will be discharged within a couple of week. What is
the quickest way I can ruin this battery so it tests bad and they
exchange it?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:28 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
 wrote:
>> >
>> > So no charge?
>> >
>> > --FT
>> > Sent from iFōn
>> >
>> >> On Apr 29, 2022, at 6:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:
>> >>
>> >> It’s currently on their charger. Will come back in about an
hour
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>>  On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Buggered Benzmail via
Mercedes  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Will they charge you for it?
>> >>>
>> >>> --FT
>> >>> Sent from iFōn
>> >>>
>> > On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:
>> 
>>  You all might remember the battery I have that will never
reach full charge but tests good with the electronic tester. With
it removed from charger, after about 2 weeks volts drop to about
12 volts or do. Right now it’s at 11.8, that’s sitting on shelf
after about 3-4 weeks. Took it to Walmart. Their machine tests it
good so they have it on charger now. I doubt it ever gets to
complete charge there either. Will go back up there in about an hour.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

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High internal resistance?

On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 7:35 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> What would cause a battery to discharge after a week or 2 of sitting on
> the shelf but tests good?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 29, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> >
> > Run it flat, then hook up a dumb charger in reverse?
> >
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I am talking in general. I have had good battery success with auto parts
stores like Advance or a local one.

On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 8:53 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I would agree however this battery came from there and want to get it
> replaced.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 29, 2022, at 7:49 PM, Dwight Giles 
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > stay away from Walmart
> >
> >> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 7:05 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> So they put in on their charger and said it charged up, after 30
> minutes. Yet it discharged just sitting there. I will take it back home and
> put it back on the charger but as soon as removed I’m sure it will be
> discharged within a couple of week. What is the quickest way I can ruin
> this battery so it tests bad and they exchange it?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:28 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > So no charge?
> >> >
> >> > --FT
> >> > Sent from iFōn
> >> >
> >> >> On Apr 29, 2022, at 6:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> It’s currently on their charger. Will come back in about an hour
> >> >>
> >> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> >>
> >>  On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Will they charge you for it?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --FT
> >> >>> Sent from iFōn
> >> >>>
> >> > On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >>  You all might remember the battery I have that will never reach
> full charge but tests good with the electronic tester. With it removed from
> charger, after about 2 weeks volts drop to about 12 volts or do. Right now
> it’s at 11.8, that’s sitting on shelf after about 3-4 weeks. Took it to
> Walmart. Their machine tests it good so they have it on charger now. I
> doubt it ever gets to complete charge there either. Will go back up there
> in about an hour.
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I would agree however this battery came from there and want to get it replaced. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 29, 2022, at 7:49 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> 
> stay away from Walmart 
> 
>> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 7:05 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> So they put in on their charger and said it charged up, after 30 minutes. 
>> Yet it discharged just sitting there. I will take it back home and put it 
>> back on the charger but as soon as removed I’m sure it will be discharged 
>> within a couple of week. What is the quickest way I can ruin this battery so 
>> it tests bad and they exchange it?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:28 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > So no charge?
>> > 
>> > --FT
>> > Sent from iFōn
>> > 
>> >> On Apr 29, 2022, at 6:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> It’s currently on their charger. Will come back in about an hour 
>> >> 
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >> 
>>  On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>   wrote:
>> >>> 
>> >>> Will they charge you for it?
>> >>> 
>> >>> --FT
>> >>> Sent from iFōn
>> >>> 
>> > On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>>  
>>  You all might remember the battery I have that will never reach full 
>>  charge but tests good with the electronic tester. With it removed from 
>>  charger, after about 2 weeks volts drop to about 12 volts or do. Right 
>>  now it’s at 11.8, that’s sitting on shelf after about 3-4 weeks. Took 
>>  it to Walmart. Their machine tests it good so they have it on charger 
>>  now. I doubt it ever gets to complete charge there either. Will go back 
>>  up there in about an hour. 
>>  
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

stay away from Walmart

On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 7:05 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So they put in on their charger and said it charged up, after 30 minutes.
> Yet it discharged just sitting there. I will take it back home and put it
> back on the charger but as soon as removed I’m sure it will be discharged
> within a couple of week. What is the quickest way I can ruin this battery
> so it tests bad and they exchange it?
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:28 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > So no charge?
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iFōn
> >
> >> On Apr 29, 2022, at 6:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> It’s currently on their charger. Will come back in about an hour
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
>  On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Will they charge you for it?
> >>>
> >>> --FT
> >>> Sent from iFōn
> >>>
> > On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  You all might remember the battery I have that will never reach full
> charge but tests good with the electronic tester. With it removed from
> charger, after about 2 weeks volts drop to about 12 volts or do. Right now
> it’s at 11.8, that’s sitting on shelf after about 3-4 weeks. Took it to
> Walmart. Their machine tests it good so they have it on charger now. I
> doubt it ever gets to complete charge there either. Will go back up there
> in about an hour.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

What would cause a battery to discharge after a week or 2 of sitting on the 
shelf but tests good?

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> On Apr 29, 2022, at 6:16 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> Run it flat, then hook up a dumb charger in reverse?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Run it flat, then hook up a dumb charger in reverse?

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

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That's my guess ---

On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 6:13 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So stick it in a car and leave the lights on for days, several times in a
> row?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 29, 2022, at 6:11 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > A couple of very deep discharges/charges?
> >
> >> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 6:06 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Baking soda in the cells?
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >> On Apr 29, 2022, at 7:04 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> So they put in on their charger and said it charged up, after 30
> minutes.
> >> Yet it discharged just sitting there. I will take it back home and put
> it
> >> back on the charger but as soon as removed I’m sure it will be
> discharged
> >> within a couple of week. What is the quickest way I can ruin this
> battery
> >> so it tests bad and they exchange it?
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:28 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> So no charge?
> >>>
> >>> --FT
> >>> Sent from iFōn
> >>>
>  On Apr 29, 2022, at 6:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  It’s currently on their charger. Will come back in about an hour
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
> >> On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Will they charge you for it?
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iFōn
> >
> >>> On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> You all might remember the battery I have that will never reach
> full
> >> charge but tests good with the electronic tester. With it removed from
> >> charger, after about 2 weeks volts drop to about 12 volts or do. Right
> now
> >> it’s at 11.8, that’s sitting on shelf after about 3-4 weeks. Took it to
> >> Walmart. Their machine tests it good so they have it on charger now. I
> >> doubt it ever gets to complete charge there either. Will go back up
> there
> >> in about an hour.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

So stick it in a car and leave the lights on for days, several times in a row?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 29, 2022, at 6:11 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> A couple of very deep discharges/charges?
> 
>> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 6:06 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Baking soda in the cells?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> On Apr 29, 2022, at 7:04 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> So they put in on their charger and said it charged up, after 30 minutes.
>> Yet it discharged just sitting there. I will take it back home and put it
>> back on the charger but as soon as removed I’m sure it will be discharged
>> within a couple of week. What is the quickest way I can ruin this battery
>> so it tests bad and they exchange it?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:28 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So no charge?
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iFōn
>>> 
 On Apr 29, 2022, at 6:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 It’s currently on their charger. Will come back in about an hour
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Will they charge you for it?
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> You all might remember the battery I have that will never reach full
>> charge but tests good with the electronic tester. With it removed from
>> charger, after about 2 weeks volts drop to about 12 volts or do. Right now
>> it’s at 11.8, that’s sitting on shelf after about 3-4 weeks. Took it to
>> Walmart. Their machine tests it good so they have it on charger now. I
>> doubt it ever gets to complete charge there either. Will go back up there
>> in about an hour.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[OK Don via Mercedes]

A couple of very deep discharges/charges?

On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 6:06 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Baking soda in the cells?
>
> -D
>
> On Apr 29, 2022, at 7:04 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> So they put in on their charger and said it charged up, after 30 minutes.
> Yet it discharged just sitting there. I will take it back home and put it
> back on the charger but as soon as removed I’m sure it will be discharged
> within a couple of week. What is the quickest way I can ruin this battery
> so it tests bad and they exchange it?
>
>
> 
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:28 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > So no charge?
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iFōn
> >
> >> On Apr 29, 2022, at 6:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> It’s currently on their charger. Will come back in about an hour
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
>  On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Will they charge you for it?
> >>>
> >>> --FT
> >>> Sent from iFōn
> >>>
> > On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  You all might remember the battery I have that will never reach full
> charge but tests good with the electronic tester. With it removed from
> charger, after about 2 weeks volts drop to about 12 volts or do. Right now
> it’s at 11.8, that’s sitting on shelf after about 3-4 weeks. Took it to
> Walmart. Their machine tests it good so they have it on charger now. I
> doubt it ever gets to complete charge there either. Will go back up there
> in about an hour.
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Baking soda in the cells?

-D

On Apr 29, 2022, at 7:04 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

So they put in on their charger and said it charged up, after 30 minutes. Yet 
it discharged just sitting there. I will take it back home and put it back on 
the charger but as soon as removed I’m sure it will be discharged within a 
couple of week. What is the quickest way I can ruin this battery so it tests 
bad and they exchange it?





Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:28 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> So no charge?
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
>> On Apr 29, 2022, at 6:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>
>> It’s currently on their charger. Will come back in about an hour
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
 On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Will they charge you for it?
>>>
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iFōn
>>>
> On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

 You all might remember the battery I have that will never reach full 
 charge but tests good with the electronic tester. With it removed from 
 charger, after about 2 weeks volts drop to about 12 volts or do. Right now 
 it’s at 11.8, that’s sitting on shelf after about 3-4 weeks. Took it to 
 Walmart. Their machine tests it good so they have it on charger now. I 
 doubt it ever gets to complete charge there either. Will go back up there 
 in about an hour.

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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

So they put in on their charger and said it charged up, after 30 minutes. Yet 
it discharged just sitting there. I will take it back home and put it back on 
the charger but as soon as removed I’m sure it will be discharged within a 
couple of week. What is the quickest way I can ruin this battery so it tests 
bad and they exchange it?




Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:28 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So no charge?
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2022, at 6:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It’s currently on their charger. Will come back in about an hour 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Will they charge you for it?
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iFōn
>>> 
> On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 You all might remember the battery I have that will never reach full 
 charge but tests good with the electronic tester. With it removed from 
 charger, after about 2 weeks volts drop to about 12 volts or do. Right now 
 it’s at 11.8, that’s sitting on shelf after about 3-4 weeks. Took it to 
 Walmart. Their machine tests it good so they have it on charger now. I 
 doubt it ever gets to complete charge there either. Will go back up there 
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

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So no charge?

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On Apr 29, 2022, at 6:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It’s currently on their charger. Will come back in about an hour 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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>> 
>> Will they charge you for it?
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
 On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You all might remember the battery I have that will never reach full 
>>> charge but tests good with the electronic tester. With it removed from 
>>> charger, after about 2 weeks volts drop to about 12 volts or do. Right now 
>>> it’s at 11.8, that’s sitting on shelf after about 3-4 weeks. Took it to 
>>> Walmart. Their machine tests it good so they have it on charger now. I 
>>> doubt it ever gets to complete charge there either. Will go back up there 
>>> in about an hour. 
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

It’s currently on their charger. Will come back in about an hour 

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> On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:22 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Will they charge you for it?
> 
> --FT
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>> On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> You all might remember the battery I have that will never reach full charge 
>> but tests good with the electronic tester. With it removed from charger, 
>> after about 2 weeks volts drop to about 12 volts or do. Right now it’s at 
>> 11.8, that’s sitting on shelf after about 3-4 weeks. Took it to Walmart. 
>> Their machine tests it good so they have it on charger now. I doubt it ever 
>> gets to complete charge there either. Will go back up there in about an 
>> hour. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Will they charge you for it?

--FT
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> On Apr 29, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You all might remember the battery I have that will never reach full charge 
> but tests good with the electronic tester. With it removed from charger, 
> after about 2 weeks volts drop to about 12 volts or do. Right now it’s at 
> 11.8, that’s sitting on shelf after about 3-4 weeks. Took it to Walmart. 
> Their machine tests it good so they have it on charger now. I doubt it ever 
> gets to complete charge there either. Will go back up there in about an hour. 
> 
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[MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

You all might remember the battery I have that will never reach full charge but 
tests good with the electronic tester. With it removed from charger, after 
about 2 weeks volts drop to about 12 volts or do. Right now it’s at 11.8, 
that’s sitting on shelf after about 3-4 weeks. Took it to Walmart. Their 
machine tests it good so they have it on charger now. I doubt it ever gets to 
complete charge there either. Will go back up there in about an hour. 

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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Interesting stuff.

https://youtu.be/TAHY2maRvUc

https://www.knowyourparts.com/technical-resources/blog/three-misconceptions-agm-batteries/


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: March 27, 2022 9:10 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: ka...@striplin.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

Yes.  The Pulse tech does not have a AGM mode though.

On 3/27/2022 9:08 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> Are the chargers set to AGM mode?
>
>
> Rick
>
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Sent: March 27, 2022 8:41 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>; 
> davesl...@okiebenz.com<mailto:davesl...@okiebenz.com>
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: ka...@striplin.net<mailto:ka...@striplin.net>
> Subject: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery
>
> I have a battery out of a car that is a Walmart AGM battery dated
> 12/20.  This was the 140 that I could not get into the trunk and the
> cables were not tight.  Car sat for many months and drained it dead.
> Used a pair of jumper cables connected to a good battery (battery out of
> the car at this point as I was able to get into the trunk), and hooked
> charger up to it.  This got it charged up and unhooked 2nd battery.
> Since then, both my pulse tech and various harbor freight smart charger
> will never bring it to a full charger per the chargers.  I hook up my
> electronic battery tester and it tests good.  Tried my old fashioned
> carbon tester and it also showed good.  Hook back up to charger and
> leave it overnight and it always errors out saying overtime charge.  On
> the pulse tech, after being on it a certain amount of time I have
> noticed it gets to the 75% light but eventually just shows bad battery.
> I have not stuck it in a car to see if it will start one but I assume it
> will.  Why would the chargers never show it fully charged, but the volts
> show 12.8-13 volts right after removing from charger, and it tests
> good.  Should I return it to Walmart and see if I can get it exchanged?
> I am assuming they will but a tester on it and it will test good so they
> wont warranty it despite it supposedly never reaching full charge.
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes.  The Pulse tech does not have a AGM mode though.

On 3/27/2022 9:08 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Are the chargers set to AGM mode?


Rick

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To: mercedes@okiebenz.com; davesl...@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: ka...@striplin.net
Subject: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

I have a battery out of a car that is a Walmart AGM battery dated
12/20.  This was the 140 that I could not get into the trunk and the
cables were not tight.  Car sat for many months and drained it dead.
Used a pair of jumper cables connected to a good battery (battery out of
the car at this point as I was able to get into the trunk), and hooked
charger up to it.  This got it charged up and unhooked 2nd battery.
Since then, both my pulse tech and various harbor freight smart charger
will never bring it to a full charger per the chargers.  I hook up my
electronic battery tester and it tests good.  Tried my old fashioned
carbon tester and it also showed good.  Hook back up to charger and
leave it overnight and it always errors out saying overtime charge.  On
the pulse tech, after being on it a certain amount of time I have
noticed it gets to the 75% light but eventually just shows bad battery.
I have not stuck it in a car to see if it will start one but I assume it
will.  Why would the chargers never show it fully charged, but the volts
show 12.8-13 volts right after removing from charger, and it tests
good.  Should I return it to Walmart and see if I can get it exchanged?
I am assuming they will but a tester on it and it will test good so they
wont warranty it despite it supposedly never reaching full charge.

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Re: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Are the chargers set to AGM mode?


Rick

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To: mercedes@okiebenz.com; davesl...@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: ka...@striplin.net
Subject: [MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

I have a battery out of a car that is a Walmart AGM battery dated
12/20.  This was the 140 that I could not get into the trunk and the
cables were not tight.  Car sat for many months and drained it dead.
Used a pair of jumper cables connected to a good battery (battery out of
the car at this point as I was able to get into the trunk), and hooked
charger up to it.  This got it charged up and unhooked 2nd battery.
Since then, both my pulse tech and various harbor freight smart charger
will never bring it to a full charger per the chargers.  I hook up my
electronic battery tester and it tests good.  Tried my old fashioned
carbon tester and it also showed good.  Hook back up to charger and
leave it overnight and it always errors out saying overtime charge.  On
the pulse tech, after being on it a certain amount of time I have
noticed it gets to the 75% light but eventually just shows bad battery.
I have not stuck it in a car to see if it will start one but I assume it
will.  Why would the chargers never show it fully charged, but the volts
show 12.8-13 volts right after removing from charger, and it tests
good.  Should I return it to Walmart and see if I can get it exchanged?
I am assuming they will but a tester on it and it will test good so they
wont warranty it despite it supposedly never reaching full charge.

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[MBZ] Walmart AGM battery

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I have a battery out of a car that is a Walmart AGM battery dated 
12/20.  This was the 140 that I could not get into the trunk and the 
cables were not tight.  Car sat for many months and drained it dead.  
Used a pair of jumper cables connected to a good battery (battery out of 
the car at this point as I was able to get into the trunk), and hooked 
charger up to it.  This got it charged up and unhooked 2nd battery.  
Since then, both my pulse tech and various harbor freight smart charger 
will never bring it to a full charger per the chargers.  I hook up my 
electronic battery tester and it tests good.  Tried my old fashioned 
carbon tester and it also showed good.  Hook back up to charger and 
leave it overnight and it always errors out saying overtime charge.  On 
the pulse tech, after being on it a certain amount of time I have 
noticed it gets to the 75% light but eventually just shows bad battery.  
I have not stuck it in a car to see if it will start one but I assume it 
will.  Why would the chargers never show it fully charged, but the volts 
show 12.8-13 volts right after removing from charger, and it tests 
good.  Should I return it to Walmart and see if I can get it exchanged?  
I am assuming they will but a tester on it and it will test good so they 
wont warranty it despite it supposedly never reaching full charge.


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Re: [MBZ] Walmart kills AdvAuto on ML tranny fluid

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Dead Sam has always been cheaper on that stuff.

-D

> On Jun 27, 2019, at 11:09 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> AA was $28.99/gal and the 20% discount code didn't apply when I tried to 
> order it.  Do the googs and El Mercado de Wal has it for $17.97 with free 
> shipping to arrive Saturday.  I don't even have to go to the store to get it. 
> What a world we live in.
> 
> 
>   Valvoline MaxLife Multi-Vehicle Automatic Transmission Fluid - 1
>   Gallon
> 
> Qty 2
> 
> quantity 2
> 
> $35.94
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[MBZ] Walmart kills AdvAuto on ML tranny fluid

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

AA was $28.99/gal and the 20% discount code didn't apply when I tried to 
order it.  Do the googs and El Mercado de Wal has it for $17.97 with 
free shipping to arrive Saturday.  I don't even have to go to the store 
to get it. What a world we live in.



   Valvoline MaxLife Multi-Vehicle Automatic Transmission Fluid - 1
   Gallon

Qty 2

quantity 2

$35.94

--
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart Lesson - Plan Ahead

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Thank you for this evidence Dan. I have seen references to lots of cases
like this.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sep 5, 2018 10:17 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Speaking from direct experience:
>
> In 1994, WalMart purchased property between the small (pop. 9,000) town I
> lived in in Wisconsin, Port Washington, and Saukville, an even smaller town
> of about 4,000.
>
> Before they had even broken ground, WalMart corporate representatives were
> canvassing locally owned businesses.  They came in, checked out the
> business and it’s inventory either surreptitiously or blatantly, and then
> came back within a few weeks, warning them that they were probably going to
> be out of business soon.  For some this accomplished nothing other than to
> terrorize the owners.  To this day I still wonder what their motivation
> was.  For others, like some good friends and neighbors of ours who owned
> one of the two pharmacies in town, it was worse.
>
> Two WalMart employees walked into their pharmacy one morning at the
> opening of business and asked to see the owner.  They then told him, point
> blank and without any warm up or warning, that he had two choices:  He
> could sell his customer list to them for a stated price, or he could go up
> against them and they would run him out of business.
>
> This was a couple who had their lives invested in the pharmacy and were
> probably within about five years of selling out and retiring.  This is what
> they had done for over 40 years in our town.  They did a wonderful job,
> were competitive, and as a local business kept our money at home and
> invested in our community.  They were active in the community in a lot of
> ways, too.  And they were like family.  If you forgot your checkbook when
> you were picking something up, they just stuck a receipt on the wall next
> to the register so you could pay it the next time you were in.  We had a
> neighbor who was a  pediatrician - she had a patient that needed a
> prescription late on a Sunday night, and the closest 24 hour pharmacy was
> 15 miles away in Mequon.  These folks went in that night and got her the
> prescription with nothing more than a phone call.
>
> I realize there’s a lot of emotion here, but if you look beyond that,
> there are things that WalMart can never, or will ever, be.  These people
> dedicated their lives to our community to make it what it was.  That has
> value far beyond what any corporate retailer can bring to the table.
>
> They shuttered the pharmacy two months later and took a major financial
> loss that affected them for the rest of their lives in the process.
> WalMart got their customer list as part of the deal.
>
> The owner went to work at a KMart pharmacy in Milwaukee, 25 miles away, so
> he could bring in some income until he reached retirement age a few years
> later.
>
> The other pharmacy, which had locations in other towns around the area,
> closed up this location.  Marty, the pharmacist there, told me on the QT
> one day when I saw him around town that when the WalMart people came into
> their pharmacy he kicked them out and told them to go F themselves.
>
> We had a busy little downtown area, with a shoe store, men’s store, two
> jewelers, dry cleaners, butcher shop and other small businesses, all of
> which were quite successful.  WalMart pretty much killed all of them except
> for the butcher and dry cleaners, as WalMart had nothing to compete with
> them on.
>
> And yes, I’m still bitter about it more than 20 years later.  I patronized
> every one of those businesses until they closed up.  I still do to this day
> by buying meat from the butcher shop and shipping it to Florida.
>
> Sadly, it’s like URO brand parts.  People will gladly pass by service and
> quality to save a nickel.
>
> -D
>
> > On Sep 5, 2018, at 9:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not sure I believe they really kill small businesses. If you said
> "They kill small businesses that provide crappy service" then I'd agree.
> Low prices and poor customer service will win over higher prices and poor
> customer service but many people, myself included will pay a higher price
> for better service.
> > We've seen this pretty dramatically at camp. They built a Lowes in
> Presque Isle which put the crappy lumber yard in Caribou out of business
> pretty quick. We went to Lowes a couple times but their service stinks and
> fortunately the better lumber yard in Caribou (Collins, same as the
> Senator) stepped up their game. Rather than going to Lowes and getting a
> free pint of water in every 2x4 I'll pay a little extra to get dry lumber
> from Collins'. Actually once you spend $100 they usually adjust the price
> to be the same or a little cheaper than Lowes...
> > -Curt
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart Lesson - Plan Ahead

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On September 5, 2018 at 9:12 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I only go  to the evil W once a year for M1. Not only do they screw
> customers but they destroy local community small businesses.

There are ways around that. 
https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/o/oil-change-specials
And, BTW, it's fall rebate time. 
If you have a use for a M1 oil filter and the extended performance oil, $36-17 
rebate is a good deal. I have a M1 (Chinese) filter that I'm going to put in 
the ML, I have no hope of hitting the full 10,000 miles before the calendar 
life is up on the oil, so I don't think Mann Fleece is absolutely necessary. 
The only M1 MBZ filter that I can use and Advance sells is the M1C-253, 
replaces HU 718/5X for my V6s.

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Re: [MBZ] Walmart Lesson - Plan Ahead

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

when a wallyland goes in a small town the main st. businesses fold.  
Call it what you want.  It happens.   When sam came into our town, he 
could not figger out what to  make of our store, and would not speak to 
us.   He talked a long time to Buzz at the hardware store, and told him 
exactly how to survive.  Now, 30+ year later, the hardware store (and 
Buzz) is still there, but many other stores are gone.  Buzz did exactly 
what live sam told him to do.   Most businesses are not that lucky.


But the brainwashing was true.  One lady who worked for Buzz drove to 
wallyland to buy chewing gum  (one pack) rather than walk to the 
drugstore that was closer than the car.   Simply because she was 
brainwashed.


Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I'm not sure I believe they really kill small businesses. If you said "They kill 
small businesses that provide crappy service" then I'd agree. Low prices and poor 
customer service will win over higher prices and poor customer service but many people, 
myself included will pay a higher price for better service.
We've seen this pretty dramatically at camp. They built a Lowes in Presque Isle 
which put the crappy lumber yard in Caribou out of business pretty quick. We 
went to Lowes a couple times but their service stinks and fortunately the 
better lumber yard in Caribou (Collins, same as the Senator) stepped up their 
game. Rather than going to Lowes and getting a free pint of water in every 2x4 
I'll pay a little extra to get dry lumber from Collins'. Actually once you 
spend $100 they usually adjust the price to be the same or a little cheaper 
than Lowes...
-Curt





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Re: [MBZ] Walmart Lesson - Plan Ahead

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I totally understand your lumberyard situation.  Where I grew up in Indiana we 
had an 84 Lumber that is still open, within sight of a Lowe’s.  The 84 does a 
booming business to this day.  If I wanted a 2x4 or a sheet of plywood, I 
would’t give Lowe’s a second thought.

-D


> On Sep 5, 2018, at 10:22 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> I forget that New England is in many ways very different from the rest of the 
> world...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Walmart Lesson - Plan Ahead

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I forget that New England is in many ways very different from the rest of the 
world...
-Curt


   On Wednesday, September 5, 2018, 10:17:06 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Speaking from direct experience:

In 1994, WalMart purchased property between the small (pop. 9,000) town I lived 
in in Wisconsin, Port Washington, and Saukville, an even smaller town of about 
4,000.

Before they had even broken ground, WalMart corporate representatives were 
canvassing locally owned businesses.  They came in, checked out the business 
and it’s inventory either surreptitiously or blatantly, and then came back 
within a few weeks, warning them that they were probably going to be out of 
business soon.  For some this accomplished nothing other than to terrorize the 
owners.  To this day I still wonder what their motivation was.  For others, 
like some good friends and neighbors of ours who owned one of the two 
pharmacies in town, it was worse.

Two WalMart employees walked into their pharmacy one morning at the opening of 
business and asked to see the owner.  They then told him, point blank and 
without any warm up or warning, that he had two choices:  He could sell his 
customer list to them for a stated price, or he could go up against them and 
they would run him out of business.

This was a couple who had their lives invested in the pharmacy and were 
probably within about five years of selling out and retiring.  This is what 
they had done for over 40 years in our town.  They did a wonderful job, were 
competitive, and as a local business kept our money at home and invested in our 
community.  They were active in the community in a lot of ways, too.  And they 
were like family.  If you forgot your checkbook when you were picking something 
up, they just stuck a receipt on the wall next to the register so you could pay 
it the next time you were in.  We had a neighbor who was a  pediatrician - she 
had a patient that needed a prescription late on a Sunday night, and the 
closest 24 hour pharmacy was 15 miles away in Mequon.  These folks went in that 
night and got her the prescription with nothing more than a phone call.

I realize there’s a lot of emotion here, but if you look beyond that, there are 
things that WalMart can never, or will ever, be.  These people dedicated their 
lives to our community to make it what it was.  That has value far beyond what 
any corporate retailer can bring to the table.

They shuttered the pharmacy two months later and took a major financial loss 
that affected them for the rest of their lives in the process.  WalMart got 
their customer list as part of the deal.

The owner went to work at a KMart pharmacy in Milwaukee, 25 miles away, so he 
could bring in some income until he reached retirement age a few years later.

The other pharmacy, which had locations in other towns around the area, closed 
up this location.  Marty, the pharmacist there, told me on the QT one day when 
I saw him around town that when the WalMart people came into their pharmacy he 
kicked them out and told them to go F themselves.

We had a busy little downtown area, with a shoe store, men’s store, two 
jewelers, dry cleaners, butcher shop and other small businesses, all of which 
were quite successful.  WalMart pretty much killed all of them except for the 
butcher and dry cleaners, as WalMart had nothing to compete with them on.

And yes, I’m still bitter about it more than 20 years later.  I patronized 
every one of those businesses until they closed up.  I still do to this day by 
buying meat from the butcher shop and shipping it to Florida.

Sadly, it’s like URO brand parts.  People will gladly pass by service and 
quality to save a nickel.

-D

> On Sep 5, 2018, at 9:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure I believe they really kill small businesses. If you said "They 
> kill small businesses that provide crappy service" then I'd agree. Low prices 
> and poor customer service will win over higher prices and poor customer 
> service but many people, myself included will pay a higher price for better 
> service.
> We've seen this pretty dramatically at camp. They built a Lowes in Presque 
> Isle which put the crappy lumber yard in Caribou out of business pretty 
> quick. We went to Lowes a couple times but their service stinks and 
> fortunately the better lumber yard in Caribou (Collins, same as the Senator) 
> stepped up their game. Rather than going to Lowes and getting a free pint of 
> water in every 2x4 I'll pay a little extra to get dry lumber from Collins'. 
> Actually once you spend $100 they usually adjust the price to be the same or 
> a little cheaper than Lowes...
> -Curt
> 
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Walmart Lesson - Plan Ahead

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Speaking from direct experience:

In 1994, WalMart purchased property between the small (pop. 9,000) town I lived 
in in Wisconsin, Port Washington, and Saukville, an even smaller town of about 
4,000.

Before they had even broken ground, WalMart corporate representatives were 
canvassing locally owned businesses.  They came in, checked out the business 
and it’s inventory either surreptitiously or blatantly, and then came back 
within a few weeks, warning them that they were probably going to be out of 
business soon.  For some this accomplished nothing other than to terrorize the 
owners.  To this day I still wonder what their motivation was.  For others, 
like some good friends and neighbors of ours who owned one of the two 
pharmacies in town, it was worse.

Two WalMart employees walked into their pharmacy one morning at the opening of 
business and asked to see the owner.  They then told him, point blank and 
without any warm up or warning, that he had two choices:  He could sell his 
customer list to them for a stated price, or he could go up against them and 
they would run him out of business.

This was a couple who had their lives invested in the pharmacy and were 
probably within about five years of selling out and retiring.  This is what 
they had done for over 40 years in our town.  They did a wonderful job, were 
competitive, and as a local business kept our money at home and invested in our 
community.  They were active in the community in a lot of ways, too.  And they 
were like family.  If you forgot your checkbook when you were picking something 
up, they just stuck a receipt on the wall next to the register so you could pay 
it the next time you were in.  We had a neighbor who was a  pediatrician - she 
had a patient that needed a prescription late on a Sunday night, and the 
closest 24 hour pharmacy was 15 miles away in Mequon.  These folks went in that 
night and got her the prescription with nothing more than a phone call.

I realize there’s a lot of emotion here, but if you look beyond that, there are 
things that WalMart can never, or will ever, be.  These people dedicated their 
lives to our community to make it what it was.  That has value far beyond what 
any corporate retailer can bring to the table.

They shuttered the pharmacy two months later and took a major financial loss 
that affected them for the rest of their lives in the process.  WalMart got 
their customer list as part of the deal.

The owner went to work at a KMart pharmacy in Milwaukee, 25 miles away, so he 
could bring in some income until he reached retirement age a few years later.

The other pharmacy, which had locations in other towns around the area, closed 
up this location.  Marty, the pharmacist there, told me on the QT one day when 
I saw him around town that when the WalMart people came into their pharmacy he 
kicked them out and told them to go F themselves.

We had a busy little downtown area, with a shoe store, men’s store, two 
jewelers, dry cleaners, butcher shop and other small businesses, all of which 
were quite successful.  WalMart pretty much killed all of them except for the 
butcher and dry cleaners, as WalMart had nothing to compete with them on.

And yes, I’m still bitter about it more than 20 years later.  I patronized 
every one of those businesses until they closed up.  I still do to this day by 
buying meat from the butcher shop and shipping it to Florida.

Sadly, it’s like URO brand parts.  People will gladly pass by service and 
quality to save a nickel.

-D

> On Sep 5, 2018, at 9:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure I believe they really kill small businesses. If you said "They 
> kill small businesses that provide crappy service" then I'd agree. Low prices 
> and poor customer service will win over higher prices and poor customer 
> service but many people, myself included will pay a higher price for better 
> service.
> We've seen this pretty dramatically at camp. They built a Lowes in Presque 
> Isle which put the crappy lumber yard in Caribou out of business pretty 
> quick. We went to Lowes a couple times but their service stinks and 
> fortunately the better lumber yard in Caribou (Collins, same as the Senator) 
> stepped up their game. Rather than going to Lowes and getting a free pint of 
> water in every 2x4 I'll pay a little extra to get dry lumber from Collins'. 
> Actually once you spend $100 they usually adjust the price to be the same or 
> a little cheaper than Lowes...
> -Curt
> 
> 


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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Furthermore Wal-Mart is one of the few places I've been able to buy Made in USA 
gun cases for the same price the river of big women charges for a made in China 
case...
I still hate the Wal-martians. The few times I go I try to get there within an 
hour of closing, the people there at that time are extra weird but theres many 
fewer of them.
-Curt


   On Wednesday, September 5, 2018, 9:45:19 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 And to make matters worse and F you up. They are also a leader in
installing solar energy on the roofs of their stores. That really pisses me
off. I do so wish they were a hundred percent evil in every way.

On Sep 5, 2018 9:13 PM, "Dwight Giles via Mercedes" 
wrote:

Thank you Curley,
I only go  to the evil W once a year for M1. Not only do they screw
customers but they destroy local community small businesses.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


On Sep 5, 2018 9:04 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

Uh, that IS the method dead Sam used.  Brainwashing, low prices to lure you
in, bait and switch when they can get by with it, and screw you on
everything else.


Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

> Ran out of blank DVDs last year.
> Walmart had some Memorex for $14.88
> So I went to Walmart, where they were $21.88.
> Huh? Take a spindle to the price checker, $21.88.
> Excuse me, can you price match this? It's $14.88 at Walmart.com
> Kid whips out his phone, sees it for $14.88, and gives me the price match.
>
> They're trying to use monopoly pricing models with customer
discrimination.
> People who compare online get competitive prices, people who just buy crap
> get screwed. Sam Walton is long dead, and so are the principles that built
> Walmart.
>
> Mitch.
>
>

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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

And to make matters worse and F you up. They are also a leader in
installing solar energy on the roofs of their stores. That really pisses me
off. I do so wish they were a hundred percent evil in every way.

On Sep 5, 2018 9:13 PM, "Dwight Giles via Mercedes" 
wrote:

Thank you Curley,
I only go  to the evil W once a year for M1. Not only do they screw
customers but they destroy local community small businesses.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


On Sep 5, 2018 9:04 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

Uh, that IS the method dead Sam used.  Brainwashing, low prices to lure you
in, bait and switch when they can get by with it, and screw you on
everything else.


Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

> Ran out of blank DVDs last year.
> Walmart had some Memorex for $14.88
> So I went to Walmart, where they were $21.88.
> Huh? Take a spindle to the price checker, $21.88.
> Excuse me, can you price match this? It's $14.88 at Walmart.com
> Kid whips out his phone, sees it for $14.88, and gives me the price match.
>
> They're trying to use monopoly pricing models with customer
discrimination.
> People who compare online get competitive prices, people who just buy crap
> get screwed. Sam Walton is long dead, and so are the principles that built
> Walmart.
>
> Mitch.
>
>

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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I'm not sure I believe they really kill small businesses. If you said "They 
kill small businesses that provide crappy service" then I'd agree. Low prices 
and poor customer service will win over higher prices and poor customer service 
but many people, myself included will pay a higher price for better service.
We've seen this pretty dramatically at camp. They built a Lowes in Presque Isle 
which put the crappy lumber yard in Caribou out of business pretty quick. We 
went to Lowes a couple times but their service stinks and fortunately the 
better lumber yard in Caribou (Collins, same as the Senator) stepped up their 
game. Rather than going to Lowes and getting a free pint of water in every 2x4 
I'll pay a little extra to get dry lumber from Collins'. Actually once you 
spend $100 they usually adjust the price to be the same or a little cheaper 
than Lowes...
-Curt


   On Wednesday, September 5, 2018, 9:13:45 PM EDT, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Thank you Curley,
I only go  to the evil W once a year for M1. Not only do they screw
customers but they destroy local community small businesses.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


On Sep 5, 2018 9:04 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

Uh, that IS the method dead Sam used.  Brainwashing, low prices to lure you
in, bait and switch when they can get by with it, and screw you on
everything else.


Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

> Ran out of blank DVDs last year.
> Walmart had some Memorex for $14.88
> So I went to Walmart, where they were $21.88.
> Huh? Take a spindle to the price checker, $21.88.
> Excuse me, can you price match this? It's $14.88 at Walmart.com
> Kid whips out his phone, sees it for $14.88, and gives me the price match.
>
> They're trying to use monopoly pricing models with customer discrimination.
> People who compare online get competitive prices, people who just buy crap
> get screwed. Sam Walton is long dead, and so are the principles that built
> Walmart.
>
> Mitch.
>
>

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[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Thank you Curley,
I only go  to the evil W once a year for M1. Not only do they screw
customers but they destroy local community small businesses.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


On Sep 5, 2018 9:04 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

Uh, that IS the method dead Sam used.  Brainwashing, low prices to lure you
in, bait and switch when they can get by with it, and screw you on
everything else.


Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

> Ran out of blank DVDs last year.
> Walmart had some Memorex for $14.88
> So I went to Walmart, where they were $21.88.
> Huh? Take a spindle to the price checker, $21.88.
> Excuse me, can you price match this? It's $14.88 at Walmart.com
> Kid whips out his phone, sees it for $14.88, and gives me the price match.
>
> They're trying to use monopoly pricing models with customer discrimination.
> People who compare online get competitive prices, people who just buy crap
> get screwed. Sam Walton is long dead, and so are the principles that built
> Walmart.
>
> Mitch.
>
>

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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Uh, that IS the method dead Sam used.  Brainwashing, low prices to lure 
you in, bait and switch when they can get by with it, and screw you on 
everything else.


Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Ran out of blank DVDs last year.
Walmart had some Memorex for $14.88
So I went to Walmart, where they were $21.88.
Huh? Take a spindle to the price checker, $21.88.
Excuse me, can you price match this? It's $14.88 at Walmart.com
Kid whips out his phone, sees it for $14.88, and gives me the price match.

They're trying to use monopoly pricing models with customer discrimination.
People who compare online get competitive prices, people who just buy crap get 
screwed. Sam Walton is long dead, and so are the principles that built Walmart.

Mitch.




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Re: [MBZ] Walmart Lesson - Plan Ahead

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I ordered online at Chewy.com and the wet cat food was delivered for free
the next afternoon.  I don't know how they do it.

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 12:57 AM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I used to get canned cat food from Amazon (Prime) but I averaged one
> ruptured can per case (UPS).  Price was OK but the mess wasn't worth any
> savings.  I'll take another look at Chewy.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 5:08 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: Mitch Haley 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart Lesson - Plan Ahead
> >
> >
> > > On August 29, 2018 at 4:27 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > > On related note, I buy a lot of cat food for the abandoned cats we
> feed.
> >
> > Seen any $15 off on a $50 purchase coupons from in the mail lately?
> > They're having 'half off your first case' on a lot of the store brand
> stuff again
> > this week.
> >
> > https://www.chewy.com/s?rh=brand_facet%3AAmerican+Journey%2Cc%3A3
> > 25
> >
> > I don't buy cans from Chewy, but with the dry dog food, that 50% off
> > promotion got me half off on a bag of grain free food, a bag of limited
> > ingredient grain free, and a bag of rice and meat food. Ended up paying
> $30-35
> > for three bags (76lb) of high quality food with "50% off your first bag"
> "10% off
> > for autoship" and "$15 off on $50" when I bought my first 3 bags.
> >
> > I don't know if Fedex Ground can get a case of cat food to you without
> denting
> > it badly or not.
> >
> > Now that Petsmart bought Chewy, they charge sales tax in Michigan,
> probably
> > in every state.
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[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I used to get canned cat food from Amazon (Prime) but I averaged one ruptured 
can per case (UPS).  Price was OK but the mess wasn't worth any savings.  I'll 
take another look at Chewy.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 5:08 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Mitch Haley 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart Lesson - Plan Ahead
> 
> 
> > On August 29, 2018 at 4:27 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> > On related note, I buy a lot of cat food for the abandoned cats we feed.
> 
> Seen any $15 off on a $50 purchase coupons from in the mail lately?
> They're having 'half off your first case' on a lot of the store brand stuff 
> again
> this week.
> 
> https://www.chewy.com/s?rh=brand_facet%3AAmerican+Journey%2Cc%3A3
> 25
> 
> I don't buy cans from Chewy, but with the dry dog food, that 50% off
> promotion got me half off on a bag of grain free food, a bag of limited
> ingredient grain free, and a bag of rice and meat food. Ended up paying $30-35
> for three bags (76lb) of high quality food with "50% off your first bag" "10% 
> off
> for autoship" and "$15 off on $50" when I bought my first 3 bags.
> 
> I don't know if Fedex Ground can get a case of cat food to you without denting
> it badly or not.
> 
> Now that Petsmart bought Chewy, they charge sales tax in Michigan, probably
> in every state.
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[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 16:27:10 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
 wrote:

> That would have been smart.  I'm not that smart.  And, I just wanted to
> be done with the deal and leave. 

You can still do what Mitch suggested and get the $30.00 back.

Buy a second battery online with in-store pickup. 
Take the $80 receipt for the first battery with you when you pick it up.
Take the second battery to the service desk and return it with the first
battery's receipt.


Craig

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> On August 29, 2018 at 4:27 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> On related note, I buy a lot of cat food for the abandoned cats we feed.  

Seen any $15 off on a $50 purchase coupons from in the mail lately?
They're having 'half off your first case' on a lot of the store brand stuff 
again this week. 

https://www.chewy.com/s?rh=brand_facet%3AAmerican+Journey%2Cc%3A325

I don't buy cans from Chewy, but with the dry dog food, that 50% off promotion 
got me half off on a bag of grain free food, a bag of limited ingredient grain 
free, and a bag of rice and meat food. Ended up paying $30-35 for three bags 
(76lb) of high quality food with "50% off your first bag" "10% off for 
autoship" and "$15 off on $50" when I bought my first 3 bags. 

I don't know if Fedex Ground can get a case of cat food to you without denting 
it badly or not. 

Now that Petsmart bought Chewy, they charge sales tax in Michigan, probably in 
every state.

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[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Chewy.com for your pet food. Set up auto order you don’t even have to think 
about it anymore 

--FT
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> On Aug 29, 2018, at 4:27 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That would have been smart.  I'm not that smart.  And, I just wanted to be 
> done with the deal and leave.  I checked the local FLAPS online and they were 
> all over $100 for same battery.  I was sorely tempted to but a sealed lead 
> acid battery online but wanted the generator back online ASAP.  Buy thanks 
> for the idea, maybe next time,
> 
> On related note, I buy a lot of cat food for the abandoned cats we feed.  
> Walmart has the best price but the shelves have only individual cans: the 
> flavors are all mixed up on the shelves and then I have to sort the cans when 
> I get home.  A PetSence recently opened nearby and they order whole cases 
> (typically 24 cases a month) for me and match Walmart's price.  I love to use 
> a local business when practical.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes
>> 
>> Buy another battery online with in-store pickup.
>> Take the $80 receipt with you when you pick it up.
>> Take it to the service desk and return it with yesterday's receipt.
>> 
>> Did you already give them a core?
>> I returned a battery to Walmart once and they wouldn't give me my core back,
>> so I ended up giving them a used battery for free.
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[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

That would have been smart.  I'm not that smart.  And, I just wanted to be done 
with the deal and leave.  I checked the local FLAPS online and they were all 
over $100 for same battery.  I was sorely tempted to but a sealed lead acid 
battery online but wanted the generator back online ASAP.  Buy thanks for the 
idea, maybe next time,

On related note, I buy a lot of cat food for the abandoned cats we feed.  
Walmart has the best price but the shelves have only individual cans: the 
flavors are all mixed up on the shelves and then I have to sort the cans when I 
get home.  A PetSence recently opened nearby and they order whole cases 
(typically 24 cases a month) for me and match Walmart's price.  I love to use a 
local business when practical.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> 
> Buy another battery online with in-store pickup.
> Take the $80 receipt with you when you pick it up.
> Take it to the service desk and return it with yesterday's receipt.
> 
> Did you already give them a core?
> I returned a battery to Walmart once and they wouldn't give me my core back,
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart Lesson - Plan Ahead

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Buy another battery online with in-store pickup. 
Take the $80 receipt with you when you pick it up.
Take it to the service desk and return it with yesterday's receipt. 

Did you already give them a core?
I returned a battery to Walmart once and they wouldn't give me my core back, so 
I ended up giving them a used battery for free.

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Re: [MBZ] Walmart Lesson - Plan Ahead

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Our local Mercado del Wal offers online grocery shopping with delivery to
your car in their parking lot (free now, vs. $5 at local grocery chains).
Wonder if I can add something non-grocery like motor oil and also get that
loaded into the cart, that would be kinda nice.
-
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On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 9:02 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> Ran out of blank DVDs last year.
> Walmart had some Memorex for $14.88
> So I went to Walmart, where they were $21.88.
> Huh? Take a spindle to the price checker, $21.88.
> Excuse me, can you price match this? It's $14.88 at Walmart.com
> Kid whips out his phone, sees it for $14.88, and gives me the price match.
>
> They're trying to use monopoly pricing models with customer
> discrimination.
> People who compare online get competitive prices, people who just buy crap
> get screwed. Sam Walton is long dead, and so are the principles that built
> Walmart.
>
> Mitch.
> > On August 29, 2018 at 1:37 AM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > The 5-year old Group 26 battery in my standby generator died.  A little
> on-line shopping showed Walmart had them, in stock, for about $50 but the
> price was $80 when I got to the cash register.  If I had bought online (for
> $50) I could have picked up the same battery at the same store and saved
> $30.  In fact, if I had been thinking faster, I should have cancelled the
> sale at the register, bought online with my cell phone, and picked up that
> same battery.  I had no idea there was such a disparity between online and
> store prices.
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart Lesson - Plan Ahead

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Ran out of blank DVDs last year. 
Walmart had some Memorex for $14.88
So I went to Walmart, where they were $21.88.
Huh? Take a spindle to the price checker, $21.88.
Excuse me, can you price match this? It's $14.88 at Walmart.com
Kid whips out his phone, sees it for $14.88, and gives me the price match. 

They're trying to use monopoly pricing models with customer discrimination. 
People who compare online get competitive prices, people who just buy crap get 
screwed. Sam Walton is long dead, and so are the principles that built Walmart. 

Mitch. 
> On August 29, 2018 at 1:37 AM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> The 5-year old Group 26 battery in my standby generator died.  A little 
> on-line shopping showed Walmart had them, in stock, for about $50 but the 
> price was $80 when I got to the cash register.  If I had bought online (for 
> $50) I could have picked up the same battery at the same store and saved $30. 
>  In fact, if I had been thinking faster, I should have cancelled the sale at 
> the register, bought online with my cell phone, and picked up that same 
> battery.  I had no idea there was such a disparity between online and store 
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart Lesson - Plan Ahead

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Too late, your IP address / phone identity / birthdate hair color and
facial recognition parameters have been captured.  Next time you check the
website, they'll adjust the price just for you so you'll only "save" $5 by
doing them the courtesy of putting more of your personal data into their
analytics.
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> The 5-year old Group 26 battery in my standby generator died.  A little
> on-line shopping showed Walmart had them, in stock, for about $50 but the
> price was $80 when I got to the cash register.  If I had bought online (for
> $50) I could have picked up the same battery at the same store and saved
> $30.  In fact, if I had been thinking faster, I should have cancelled the
> sale at the register, bought online with my cell phone, and picked up that
> same battery.  I had no idea there was such a disparity between online and
> store prices.
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[MBZ] Walmart Lesson - Plan Ahead

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

The 5-year old Group 26 battery in my standby generator died.  A little on-line 
shopping showed Walmart had them, in stock, for about $50 but the price was $80 
when I got to the cash register.  If I had bought online (for $50) I could have 
picked up the same battery at the same store and saved $30.  In fact, if I had 
been thinking faster, I should have cancelled the sale at the register, bought 
online with my cell phone, and picked up that same battery.  I had no idea 
there was such a disparity between online and store prices.

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Re: [MBZ] Walmart Views

[Gary Hurst]

was it good for you too?


On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Ben Bichon  wrote:

> test
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 4:22 PM, WILTON  wrote:
>
> > On rare occasion, I quickly and quietly "sneak" in/out garden entrance.
> > 'Must be afraid some of the latest fashion ideas may rub off on me.
> >
> > Wilton
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" 
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 4:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart Views
> >
> >
> >
> >  i'm a sneak in/out tire exit kinda guy so i can avoid the full
> experience
> >> on those rare occasions when i deal with the walmart
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Rich Thomas <
> >> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>  I see your problem.  Half the fun of enjoying the El Mercado de Wal
> >>> experience is to /*fully*/ experience it.  You can't do that by going
> in
> >>> the tire door -- you will not get the full impact of the People of
> >>> Walmart.
> >>>  You have to go in the front, get greeted, stroll around and browse a
> >>> bit...
> >>>
> >>> --R
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 4/8/14 3:55 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  I have
> >>>> been in their store, but I don't enjoy the experience.  I do go there
> >>>> for
> >>>> M1
> >>>> and for .22 lr ammo, but those are items I don't need very
> frequently. I
> >>>> tolerate the experience only because I can enter and leave the store
> via
> >>>> the
> >>>> tire sales door in the back, and do not have to run the gauntlet of
> all
> >>>> their departments to do so.
> >>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart Views

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test


On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 4:22 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> On rare occasion, I quickly and quietly "sneak" in/out garden entrance.
> 'Must be afraid some of the latest fashion ideas may rub off on me.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 4:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart Views
>
>
>
>  i'm a sneak in/out tire exit kinda guy so i can avoid the full experience
>> on those rare occasions when i deal with the walmart
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Rich Thomas <
>> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
>>
>>  I see your problem.  Half the fun of enjoying the El Mercado de Wal
>>> experience is to /*fully*/ experience it.  You can't do that by going in
>>> the tire door -- you will not get the full impact of the People of
>>> Walmart.
>>>  You have to go in the front, get greeted, stroll around and browse a
>>> bit...
>>>
>>> --R
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/8/14 3:55 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:
>>>
>>>  I have
>>>> been in their store, but I don't enjoy the experience.  I do go there
>>>> for
>>>> M1
>>>> and for .22 lr ammo, but those are items I don't need very frequently. I
>>>> tolerate the experience only because I can enter and leave the store via
>>>> the
>>>> tire sales door in the back, and do not have to run the gauntlet of all
>>>> their departments to do so.
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart Views

[Max Dillon]

Got it.  How are your Mercedes doing?
-- 
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Charleston, SC


 Original Message 
From: Ben Bichon 
Sent: April 8, 2014 5:30:09 PM EDT
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart Views

test


On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 4:22 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> On rare occasion, I quickly and quietly "sneak" in/out garden entrance.
> 'Must be afraid some of the latest fashion ideas may rub off on me.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 4:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart Views
>
>
>
>  i'm a sneak in/out tire exit kinda guy so i can avoid the full experience
>> on those rare occasions when i deal with the walmart
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Rich Thomas <
>> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
>>
>>  I see your problem.  Half the fun of enjoying the El Mercado de Wal
>>> experience is to /*fully*/ experience it.  You can't do that by going in
>>> the tire door -- you will not get the full impact of the People of
>>> Walmart.
>>>  You have to go in the front, get greeted, stroll around and browse a
>>> bit...
>>>
>>> --R
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/8/14 3:55 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:
>>>
>>>  I have
>>>> been in their store, but I don't enjoy the experience.  I do go there
>>>> for
>>>> M1
>>>> and for .22 lr ammo, but those are items I don't need very frequently. I
>>>> tolerate the experience only because I can enter and leave the store via
>>>> the
>>>> tire sales door in the back, and do not have to run the gauntlet of all
>>>> their departments to do so.
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart Views

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test


On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 4:22 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> On rare occasion, I quickly and quietly "sneak" in/out garden entrance.
> 'Must be afraid some of the latest fashion ideas may rub off on me.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 4:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart Views
>
>
>
>  i'm a sneak in/out tire exit kinda guy so i can avoid the full experience
>> on those rare occasions when i deal with the walmart
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Rich Thomas <
>> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
>>
>>  I see your problem.  Half the fun of enjoying the El Mercado de Wal
>>> experience is to /*fully*/ experience it.  You can't do that by going in
>>> the tire door -- you will not get the full impact of the People of
>>> Walmart.
>>>  You have to go in the front, get greeted, stroll around and browse a
>>> bit...
>>>
>>> --R
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/8/14 3:55 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:
>>>
>>>  I have
>>>> been in their store, but I don't enjoy the experience.  I do go there
>>>> for
>>>> M1
>>>> and for .22 lr ammo, but those are items I don't need very frequently. I
>>>> tolerate the experience only because I can enter and leave the store via
>>>> the
>>>> tire sales door in the back, and do not have to run the gauntlet of all
>>>> their departments to do so.
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart Views

[arche...@embarqmail.com]

You should put together a Walmartian outfit and put a Wallyworld tag on 
the front of your car, Wilton.
Then you can walk around without attracting attention and probably make 
a lot of new friends.

Gerry

On 4/8/2014 5:22 PM, WILTON wrote:
On rare occasion, I quickly and quietly "sneak" in/out garden 
entrance. 'Must be afraid some of the latest fashion ideas may rub off 
on me.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart Views


i'm a sneak in/out tire exit kinda guy so i can avoid the full 
experience

on those rare occasions when i deal with the walmart


On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:


I see your problem.  Half the fun of enjoying the El Mercado de Wal
experience is to /*fully*/ experience it.  You can't do that by 
going in
the tire door -- you will not get the full impact of the People of 
Walmart.
 You have to go in the front, get greeted, stroll around and browse 
a bit...


--R



On 4/8/14 3:55 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:


I have
been in their store, but I don't enjoy the experience.  I do go 
there for

M1
and for .22 lr ammo, but those are items I don't need very 
frequently. I
tolerate the experience only because I can enter and leave the 
store via

the
tire sales door in the back, and do not have to run the gauntlet of 
all

their departments to do so.



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Re: [MBZ] Walmart Views

[WILTON]

On rare occasion, I quickly and quietly "sneak" in/out garden entrance. 
'Must be afraid some of the latest fashion ideas may rub off on me.


Wilton

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i'm a sneak in/out tire exit kinda guy so i can avoid the full experience
on those rare occasions when i deal with the walmart


On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:


I see your problem.  Half the fun of enjoying the El Mercado de Wal
experience is to /*fully*/ experience it.  You can't do that by going in
the tire door -- you will not get the full impact of the People of 
Walmart.
 You have to go in the front, get greeted, stroll around and browse a 
bit...


--R



On 4/8/14 3:55 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:


I have
been in their store, but I don't enjoy the experience.  I do go there 
for

M1
and for .22 lr ammo, but those are items I don't need very frequently. 
I

tolerate the experience only because I can enter and leave the store via
the
tire sales door in the back, and do not have to run the gauntlet of all
their departments to do so.



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Re: [MBZ] Walmart Views

[Gary Hurst]

i'm a sneak in/out tire exit kinda guy so i can avoid the full experience
on those rare occasions when i deal with the walmart


On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> I see your problem.  Half the fun of enjoying the El Mercado de Wal
> experience is to /*fully*/ experience it.  You can't do that by going in
> the tire door -- you will not get the full impact of the People of Walmart.
>  You have to go in the front, get greeted, stroll around and browse a bit...
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 4/8/14 3:55 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:
>
>> I have
>> been in their store, but I don't enjoy the experience.  I do go there for
>> M1
>> and for .22 lr ammo, but those are items I don't need very frequently.  I
>> tolerate the experience only because I can enter and leave the store via
>> the
>> tire sales door in the back, and do not have to run the gauntlet of all
>> their departments to do so.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart Views

[Rich Thomas]

I see your problem.  Half the fun of enjoying the El Mercado de Wal 
experience is to /*fully*/ experience it.  You can't do that by going in 
the tire door -- you will not get the full impact of the People of 
Walmart.  You have to go in the front, get greeted, stroll around and 
browse a bit...


--R


On 4/8/14 3:55 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:

I have
been in their store, but I don't enjoy the experience.  I do go there for M1
and for .22 lr ammo, but those are items I don't need very frequently.  I
tolerate the experience only because I can enter and leave the store via the
tire sales door in the back, and do not have to run the gauntlet of all
their departments to do so.


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[MBZ] Walmart Views

[Greg Fiorentino]

Hi:

 

I have read with interest your considered views on Wally's world.  I have
been in their store, but I don't enjoy the experience.  I do go there for M1
and for .22 lr ammo, but those are items I don't need very frequently.  I
tolerate the experience only because I can enter and leave the store via the
tire sales door in the back, and do not have to run the gauntlet of all
their departments to do so.  I buy all my groceries at 1 of 3 stores:
Chuck's Produce (a local company), Costco, and Winco (a PNW small chain).  I
never think of Wally's for purchasing food.  I prefer the little Ace store
for hardware.  If it's not in stock there I can order online and have it
delivered to my neighborhood store for free.

 

That said, I don't think Wally's is any better or worse as an employer than
many other companies that pay low wages.  Everyone needs somewhere to start
out in the workplace.  People should make sure that this class of employment
is not their dead-end.  Most of us did not expect to raise a family on the
wages we were earning at our first job.  Even so, it is possible to survive
in a very frugal lifestyle on surprisingly little income (and I have done so
at times).

 

Greg

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Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?

[Andrew Strasfogel]

That's quite a paradox.

On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 1:45 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> *It's easier to get a Harvard PhD than to become a Walmart greeter?*
>
> When Walmart is more exclusive than Harvard
> The Week Staff  |  April 6, 2014
>
> New college admissions statistics reveal that it's easier to get into an
> Ivy League college than to land a job at Walmart or Google. The eight Ivy
> schools accepted just 8.9 percent of applicants last year. But a
> Washington, D.C., Walmart hired just 2.6 percent of 23,000 job seekers when
> it opened in 2013. Google, meanwhile, hires just 0.5 percent of applicants.
> "
>
>
>
>
>
> http://theweek.com/article/flipbook/259299/when-walmart-is-more-exclusive-than-harvard#
> --
> OK Don
>
> NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens!
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?

[arche...@embarqmail.com]

DIYers heaven (not just Mercedes DIYers) would be a Walmart on the 
corner, a Home Depot to the right, an Ace Hardware to the left, and the 
DIYers house and shop behind the three.

Gerry

On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

I was never so excited as the day an Ace Hardware opened in a nearby
strip
mall that also has a Walmart.  They have the "majik boxes" that contain
all
sorts of odd, weird and unique fasteners and hardware.

They are far more expensive than the four big box (Lowes & Home Despot)
that are within 7 miles of my house, but I can get what I need there,
get
in and out, and it's only a few minutes away. Plus they have free
popcorn.
Dan





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Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?

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*It's easier to get a Harvard PhD than to become a Walmart greeter?*

When Walmart is more exclusive than Harvard
The Week Staff  |  April 6, 2014

New college admissions statistics reveal that it's easier to get into an
Ivy League college than to land a job at Walmart or Google. The eight Ivy
schools accepted just 8.9 percent of applicants last year. But a
Washington, D.C., Walmart hired just 2.6 percent of 23,000 job seekers when
it opened in 2013. Google, meanwhile, hires just 0.5 percent of applicants.
"




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Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

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WT[banned sixth letter of the alphabet] is Vegemite made of?

On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 2:49 AM, Hendrik and Fay  wrote:

> OK so we are not part of the gang anymore?
> Fine, no vegemite for you.
>
> Hendrik
> who may join a low quality Chinese Merc list as a protest
>
> On 04/04/14 09:00, Curt Raymond wrote:
>
>> You're right of course but the solution is deceptively simple.
>>
>> Don't shop there. Buy a smaller amount of high quality items. TELL PEOPLE
>> WHAT YOU'VE DONE. Buy them high quality made in the west (so USA, Canada,
>> Europe) items so they see how good they are. Help people know that they
>> don't need all that junk and that they can actually live better without it.
>>
>>
>> An example I'm completely taken with "Darn Tough" socks
>> http://darntough.com/ made in Vermont they're about the best socks I've
>> ever had. They're Merino wool, warm in the winter, cool in the summer. I
>> have both the hike/trek and lifestyle.
>> VERY expensive I pay as much for 1 pair as I'd have paid for a dozen
>> cheap white tube socks but they're a joy to wear. When I only had one pair
>> I looked forward to the day each week when I get to wear them. Now I have 4
>> or 5 pairs and I'm annoyed on the days they're all in the wash. I won't go
>> back to cheap socks, my feet are too important to me.
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?

[Gary Hurst]

hey, your guys loved him so he must have been good!


On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> Like the old parts man that knew every part number in his head. I bet
> Trent is like that.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 4, 2014, at 2:20 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> >
> > every town used to have the great old hardware store with inventory of
> > oddities dating back often to the 19th century.  along with the great old
> > hardware store came the great old hardware man who knew in his head where
> > every screw in the store was
> >
> > those were better days for me
> >
> >
> >> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> >>
> >> I was never so excited as the day an Ace Hardware opened in a nearby
> strip
> >> mall that also has a Walmart.  They have the "majik boxes" that contain
> all
> >> sorts of odd, weird and unique fasteners and hardware.
> >>
> >> They are far more expensive than the four big box (Lowes & Home Despot)
> >> that are within 7 miles of my house, but I can get what I need there,
> get
> >> in and out, and it's only a few minutes away. Plus they have free
> popcorn.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
>  On Apr 4, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Randy Bennell 
> wrote:
> 
>  On 04/04/2014 10:58 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
>  My grandparents lived outside a smallish town in KY. I was there once
> >> and wanted to build some steps for their house. So my dad and I go off
> and
> >> hit the 2 lumberyards in town to get some deck screws and treated
> lumber.
> >> Neither store had deck screws.  So off to 2 hardware stores,
> >> huhwhatchootalkinabout?  No deck screws in town so I ended up using
> >> galvanized nails which they had.  This whole ordeal took most of the
> >> morning and I still did not get what I wanted and what should have been
> >> easily available.  Now they have a Lowes and a Walmart and the places
> are
> >> overrun most of the time because you can go in there and get what you
> need
> >> and get out and not pay the usurious monopolistic limited-selection
> prices.
> >> Even the Amish like going there over the "local" spots.
> 
>  --R
> >>> I do have to say that I am impressed by the inventory that is carried
> by
> >> Menard's and Lowes in the USA. Home Depot too but I don't get there as
> >> often as there isn't one in Grand Forks, ND. There is in Fargo, ND and I
> >> get there about once each year, usually in August.
> >>>
> >>> Not the same in Canada. We have Home Depot here in Winnipeg and there
> >> are at least 5 or 6 stores scattered around the city. They seem to have
> >> limited their stock more than in the USA. Things like bolts drive me
> crazy.
> >> Not easy to buy something like 7/16 any more. 3/8 or 1/2 but not the
> ones
> >> in between. Try to buy fine thread. They had this sort of thing when
> they
> >> opened but they have since limited it to the more standard sizes. Maybe
> >> their computers tell them no one buys that stuff but they used to have
> it
> >> and it makes my angry that they no longer do. I know business is about
> >> making money but service has declined in many ways.
> >>>
> >>> I could go on all day but another item that seems to be disappearing is
> >> ordinary copper plumbing fittings. They want to sell shark bite to the
> numb
> >> folks who cannot fix anything in a proper way. The trades folks seem to
> be
> >> willing to swallow this too as it saves them a second or two and time is
> >> money. The shark bit fittings cost umpteen times as much as a normal
> >> fitting that one would solder so they make more money on the parts
> markup
> >> too.
> >>>
> >>> Call me old fashioned but I don't trust the shark bit fittings. Might
> be
> >> ok in an exposed spot so long as whatever is around it won't be damaged
> if
> >> it starts to leak, but I don't intend to put it inside a wall. I have
> >> embraced pex to some extent so I am not totally prehistoric but even
> then I
> >> wonder about how long plastic is intended to last. I hope I am old
> enough
> >> that I won't have to worry about it in my own home.
> >>>
> >>> Randy
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

[Hendrik and Fay]

OK so we are not part of the gang anymore?
Fine, no vegemite for you.

Hendrik
who may join a low quality Chinese Merc list as a protest

On 04/04/14 09:00, Curt Raymond wrote:

You're right of course but the solution is deceptively simple.

Don't shop there. Buy a smaller amount of high quality items. TELL PEOPLE WHAT 
YOU'VE DONE. Buy them high quality made in the west (so USA, Canada, Europe) 
items so they see how good they are. Help people know that they don't need all 
that junk and that they can actually live better without it.


An example I'm completely taken with "Darn Tough" socks http://darntough.com/ 
made in Vermont they're about the best socks I've ever had. They're Merino wool, warm in 
the winter, cool in the summer. I have both the hike/trek and lifestyle.
VERY expensive I pay as much for 1 pair as I'd have paid for a dozen cheap 
white tube socks but they're a joy to wear. When I only had one pair I looked 
forward to the day each week when I get to wear them. Now I have 4 or 5 pairs 
and I'm annoyed on the days they're all in the wash. I won't go back to cheap 
socks, my feet are too important to me.

-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?

[Hendrik and Fay]

We have a minimum wage that people earn, it's not a hell of a lot but 
it's better than letting employers do what they want.

There are also awards in place to define holiday pay and such.
Problem is that wages are not keeping up with inflation, a lot of which 
is caused by increases in utilities and fines.


Hendrik
who is not spending as much as he did

On 04/04/14 04:53, clay wrote:

Walmart was the trojan horse the orientals used to take over Amerika.  It stole 
the manufacturing jobs that supported the middle class, poisoned the low wage 
earners with low value (in both quality and price) goods, and robbed the 
treasury of taxes, and over whelms the entitlement programs.  I have not idea 
the impact down under, but I am sure it is just as bad.

clay

On Apr 2, 2014, at 8:48 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote:


Well depends from which angle you look at it, obviously wallymartian bosses (we 
shall call them the enslavers)will be loving paying 3/4 of stuff all for 
someone to stack the shelves with quality merchandise from the mysterious 
orient.
The governmentalists will be liking the way it keeps the unemployment rate down 
and if these people where not slaving away in the big box, they would probably 
be robbing you and me, or selling crack to the local kindergarden kids, or 
getting your sister pregnant with future walmartian workers.

Hendrik
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

[Hendrik and Fay]

It seems to be a vicious cycle, people get paid less (in real terms) 
thus have to cut costs.
Purchasing gets concentrated into a few big box stores, these stores 
have the power to set lower wages thus the wages drop further.


Hendrik
who has to brew his own beer as it is getting too pricey to buy, perhaps 
Wilton will share some tobacco growing tips as well


On 04/04/14 02:02, Randy Bennell wrote:

Well, one way or the other we all pay.
If Walmart paid higher wages the prices in the store would be higher 
so it would cost you more when you bought goods.
(and don't tell me you don't shop there so it does not relate to you - 
competition is such that if Walmart's prices were higher, then prices 
would likely be higher where you do shop)
You get to contribute to the monies going to the employees in one way 
or the other, so at the end of the day, it likely does not matter much.

So stop worrying about things you cannot change and be happy!

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Yeah, they are into renewable energy and energy efficiency in a big way.


On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:

> Walmart is doing a few interesting things just came across this:
>
> http://www.wired.com/2014/03/walmart-big-rig/
>
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?

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Walmart is doing a few interesting things just came across this:

http://www.wired.com/2014/03/walmart-big-rig/




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Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

[Gary Hurst]

yes


On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 7:17 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> Florsheim?  ;<)
>
> Wilt
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" 
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>
>
>  i concur, although i was too cheap at the end of the day to buy them and
>> ended up with johnston & murphy instead.  that was 25 years ago as i have
>> so little use for real shoes
>>
>> for my dad, there was but one brand of shoe, "floorchime", but they have
>> long ago been all imported
>>
>> my understanding is that most johnston and murphy and many allen edmunds
>> are now made offshore.  really, there is no US shoe industry left as off
>> the top of my head i can only add alden and a few new balance to the two
>> above off the top of my head as USA shoes
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>>
>>  Just like my dress shoes. Two words: Allen Edmonds
>>>
>>> Newest pair is 16 years old. Oldest pair in excess of 20. Need to break
>>> down and buy a new pair of black loafers this year. Will probably cost me
>>> $300 unless I go to Port Washington this summer and attend their tent
>>> sale.
>>>
>>> Money very well spent.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> > On Apr 4, 2014, at 10:36 AM, Curt Raymond 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I have a pair of made in the USA Red Wings and a pair of made in Italy
>>> hiking boots which are in fact my daily footwear. After 3 years my hikers
>>> need new soles. I'm debating seeing if I can find somebody to do the job
>>> or
>>> paying LL Bean for another pair.
>>> >
>>> > For dress shoes I have a pair of Italian shoes.
>>> >
>>> > I bought all the footwear listed above in 1 year and paid more than I'd
>>> paid in the previous 10. It was totally worth it.
>>> >
>>> > -Curt
>>> >
>>> > Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 22:40:09 -0500
>>> > From: Mountain Man 
>>> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
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>>> > > 
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>> >
>>> > Curt wrote:
>>> >> I won't go back to cheap socks, my feet are too important to me.
>>> >
>>> > Chinese merino wool?
>>> > Thanks for recommending darntough socks.
>>> > What leather do you wear over the socks?  I wear Red Wing carefully
>>> > because they have lines that are china.
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

[Mountain Man]

clay wrote:
> Mao may be bummed out about the reality of how the world has gone down hill.  
> Where others are making sure their rose colored glasses do not slip off, he 
> took them off and sees things for what they are.
>

Say it again, please.
Hear Hear!!
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

[Mountain Man]

Rick wrote:
> Ya think? I have stated the same thing, either here, or on Banned myself.
>

You guys.
Go have your job closed out.
Closed out.  The entire arena across the economy.  Tell me you see
gobs of infill development.  Tell me you see small commercial strips
being developed or re-developed.  Maybe in your neck of the woods, but
not here.  Not in 3 years plus.  The arena for what I did is gone.  No
clinical depression involved.  Purely rational thought processes and
no real clear reason to be around people with head in sand.  Lessee...
Gerry is well cared for in retirement.  Rick is well cared for in
union heavy with multi-national employer.  Both of ya got yer head in
the sand about the reality that some jobs are not there anymore.  Not
even with 200k jobs each month being had.  From what I understand,
that is 200k jobs at $10 which ain't gonna hire an old guy, not when
there are 12 young guys waiting for hire and stronger for the
workforce.  They see old guy as working maybe 5 years and then leave.
I want my kids to have better job - not me have another job.  I
disagree with clinical depression and I reject the immediate plea for
counsel that is unproven in an arena that is pure circus fleabag
purveyors.  You won't see it.  I see it.  Get your head out of the
sand.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

[clay]

Mao may be bummed out about the reality of how the world has gone down hill.  
Where others are making sure their rose colored glasses do not slip off, he 
took them off and sees things for what they are.

clay

On Apr 4, 2014, at 11:14 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:

> From: arche...@embarqmail.com
> Sent: Friday, April 4, 2014 11:47 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Reply To: Mercedes Discussion List
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> 
> On 4/
> >
> In my humble opinion Mao may be clinically depressed
> 
> Ya think? I have stated the same thing, either here, or on Banned myself. 
> 
> Here is a suggestion for people with problems such as clinical 
> depression:
> 
> http://www.lowselfhelpsystems.org/meetings/meetings-per-city.asp
> 
> http://www.lowselfhelpsystems.org/meetings/index.asp
> 
> http://www.lowselfhelpsystems.org/meetings/meetings-what-happens.asp
> 
> 
> Sam-e and St. John's wort Work well too. Natural and no side effects. 
> 
> Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

[clay]

Seattle school district has been severely underfunding vocational classes for a 
few decades.  They had a reputation as dumping grounds, and the administration 
wanted to push all kids to universities.  Most of the shop teachers and support 
staff moved on because they got unfunded.  Now that STEM is big, the district 
is thinking some more about maybe doing something so that it has employable 
products at the end of 14 years.

Other districts had been keeping their programs intact, so they got the extra 
state funding that the egg head idiots passed by.  In future there will be kids 
able to find jobs as nursing assistants, techs and carpenters.  That should put 
the illegals on notice to vacate the jobs

clay


On Apr 4, 2014, at 4:14 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

> Randy rambled:
>> ...So we get more and more
>> people with minimal skills who expect a good job without having to work for
>> it.
> 
> You are repeating what MSM says.
> There are no skilled jobs available anymore.
> That is why MSM also tells us that 100k student debt kids are doing
> barista work or asking if you want fries - they tell us that skill
> jobs do not exist today.
> Your best lines were last night - don't buy WalMart.
> Thanks for rambling - ramble on.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?

[clay]

Plantation v. small farmer.  Probably a bunch more workers in the fields, but 
no more initiative and self reliance, since the Massuh and foreman are doing 
the thinking for them.  The small guy may have been less effective, but 
everybody knew him and he had ties to the community.   I have found the big box 
stores have what they sell, where the small town shops have what you needed.  
The hardware store guy knew the particulars of the region, so did not load 
shelves with stuff some stooge in Atlanta says to floor.

The same sort of service you got from the small town MD, the pharmacist, and 
other "personal" relationships that are no longer available with HMO, big box, 
and mega medical.

clay


On Apr 4, 2014, at 7:42 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:

> I'm not sure I buy the "killed small towns". I live in a small town, theres a 
> Wal-Mart one town over, we still have an IGA, a hardware store, typical small 
> town stuff. The city with the Wal-Mart has several grocery stores and many 
> other stores of all different types.
> 
> The places which died were the ones that treated you poorly, same was what 
> happens when Home Depot or Lowes move to town. Near our camp in Maine one 
> local lumberyard went out when Lowes moved in, the other decided to focus on 
> customer service. When you buy wood the salesman who sold it to you goes to 
> the yard with you to get it. He helps pick through the pile to find the 
> better wood and gives suggestions. He actually knows something and doesn't 
> run away when you're looking for help. They're priced reasonably 
> competitively and the only reason anybody goes to Lowes is that they're open 
> later on Sunday...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 23:11:13 -0700
> From: clay 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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> 
> I do not frequent the wally world.  Not when it was stocked with USA 
> products, not now.  When it was a small, local concern, I might have been 
> inclined, but when they decided to plop giant boxes that killed small towns, 
> and ran the folks who supplied them with product out of business, I found I 
> had no need of their custom, no matter the price.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?

[rogerhga]

Philip, 
A good plumber knows how to repair a copper pipe with water in it. Now, if it's 
a pipe full of water, no, but a drip or trickle can be dealt with. I too had a 
house with the plastic in it years ago and was lucky to get most of it replaced 
by a test group that wanted a lot of it to test in their lab. When I built my 
current house in 1999, I had it completely built with copper. I have had zero 
problems in 15 years. 
Best wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) 

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Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?

[Fmiser]

> Randy wrote:
> 
> I could go on all day but another item that seems to be
> disappearing is ordinary copper plumbing fittings.

Yeah!

> They want to sell shark bite to the numb folks who cannot fix
> anything in a proper way. The trades folks seem to be willing to
> swallow this too as it saves them a second or two and time is
> money.

And a shark-bite can be installed on a pipe that has water in it -
unlike a sweat fitting.  My journeyman plumber friend says his shop
is still required to use sweat fitting unless there is enough water
in the pipe to interfere with a good solder joint.

Seems PEX is displacing copper in most places.  I hear good things
about it's flexibility and ability to stretch and not burst when
frozen - but I'm still quite fond of copper.  Maybe my nasty
experience with Quest plastic pipe has soured me excessively on
non-copper pipes.

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

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From: arche...@embarqmail.comSent: Friday, April 4, 2014 11:47 PMTo: Mercedes Discussion ListReply To: Mercedes Discussion ListSubject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?On 4/>In my humble opinion Mao may be clinically depressedYa think? I have stated the same thing, either here, or on Banned myself. Here is a suggestion for people with problems such as clinical depression:http://www.lowselfhelpsystems.org/meetings/meetings-per-city.asphttp://www.lowselfhelpsystems.org/meetings/index.asphttp://www.lowselfhelpsystems.org/meetings/meetings-what-happens.aspSam-e and St. John's wort Work well too. Natural and no side effects.   Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.   

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Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

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On 4/4/2014 7:23 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:



Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 18:14:03 -0500
From: maontin@gmail.com
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

There are no skilled jobs available anymore.

I have to call BS on that one.


That is why MSM also tells us that 100k student debt kids are doing
barista work or asking if you want fries

Because they have LIBERAL ARTS DEGREES.

I am busy right now. I will post more help wanted for electricians, mechanical 
maintenance, ect.
in the Chicago-land area if you like, later.

http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=electrical+maintenance&l=Chicago%2C+IL

http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=mechanical+maintenance&l=Chicago%2C+IL

Just for you...

http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=autocad+drafter&l=Chicago%2C+IL

Rick
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In my humble opinion Mao may be clinically depressed, which is very 
common among people who have lost their jobs.  They don't go out and 
interview for jobs because of their depressed state.  Mao's depressing 
"philosophy of life" that older workers should leave the world for 
younger workers is another possible symptom of depression.
The only thing that a person on one of these lists can do to help 
another person with similar problems is to tell them where they can get 
help.  Here is a suggestion for people with problems such as clinical 
depression:


http://www.lowselfhelpsystems.org/meetings/meetings-per-city.asp

http://www.lowselfhelpsystems.org/meetings/index.asp

http://www.lowselfhelpsystems.org/meetings/meetings-what-happens.asp

If you don't take advantage of Recovery-Inc now, Mao, keep the 
addresses/telephone numbers in case you do later or write me offline.  
Recovery-Inc began in 1937, there are weekly meetings in every state, 
and it's spread to other countries.  It works.

Good luck,
Gerry



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Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

[Mountain Man]

Rick wrote:
> I will post more help wanted for electricians, mechanical maintenance, ect.
> in the Chicago-land area if you like, later.

Factor in a few outstanding negatives and I bet I still remain without
paycheck.  Leave the jobs to younger people like I was a few years ago
and let the younger live.  There comes a time when exit is a nice
place.  When the theater gets crowded, and the young need space to
grow the theater belongs to the young, not mine anymore.
Post the help wanted that you find easily, but realize these may not
be real jobs - there is lots of that in the listings.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

[Rick Knoble]

> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 18:14:03 -0500
> From: maontin@gmail.com
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
>
> There are no skilled jobs available anymore.

I have to call BS on that one.

> That is why MSM also tells us that 100k student debt kids are doing
> barista work or asking if you want fries

Because they have LIBERAL ARTS DEGREES.

I am busy right now. I will post more help wanted for electricians, mechanical 
maintenance, ect.
in the Chicago-land area if you like, later. 

http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=electrical+maintenance&l=Chicago%2C+IL

http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=mechanical+maintenance&l=Chicago%2C+IL

Just for you...

http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=autocad+drafter&l=Chicago%2C+IL

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Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?

[WILTON]

They don't hafta be wool; how 'bout NC cotton?  I'm just trying to drum up a 
market for the poor farmers around here.  ;<)


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Gary Hurst" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?



as i now reside full time in south florida, my need for NC mill wool socks
has gone from limited to non existent

i used to have my clothes made by an old woman in the hood from north
carolina sourced cloth, but she just stopped working at the youthful age 
of

93, leaving me to the fat man catalog and offshore clothing (most of which
has been really good.  the only items i ever got made in china, though,
fell apart after a couple of wearings).  i figured it wasn't that big of a
problem as i'd someday shrink back to carhartt size, but i now learn that
even the most iconic of american work clothes is now made offshore


On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:20 PM, WILTON  wrote:


Ya need to buy more of those NC socks.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 10:49 PM

Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?


 i only buy socks made in fort payne as those people have always been 
nice

to me

well, ok, i did cheat on them once 10 years ago buying some wool socks
from
a mill in NC


On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Rick Knoble 
wrote:

 

> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 15:30:50 -0700
> From: curtlud...@yahoo.com
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
>

> An example I'm completely taken with "Darn Tough" socks
http://darntough.com/ made in Vermont they're about the best socks I've
ever had.

I like Head brand socks myself. Made in USA.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149207


http://www.amazon.com/Power-Cushioned-Socks-Combed-Cotton/
dp/B001E3WXAC/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

Costco has them too.

Rick
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