[MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.
Is it too early to ask the collective opinion of this apparently new technology that is available to retrofit current diesel engines from dinosaur-diesel fuel to clean burning natural gas? Not sure of the name of the company, but I hear that Caterpillar and Cummins will be using this technoogy. Anyone know more about this and how it works? Jerry 1982 240D Too old to convert __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6361 (20110808) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.
Jerry, I'd switch even my old diesels for synthetic diesel. It's cleaner, more power, better mileage, but I don't expect to see it. It's better to try to create something else rather than what could be. And even our old diesels would run on synthetic diesel without costly mods. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Monroe, Ga. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.
Natural gas is also a dinosaur fuel --- On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 11:10 PM, Jerry Herrman wrote: > Is it too early to ask the collective opinion of this apparently new > technology that is available to retrofit current diesel engines from > dinosaur-diesel fuel to clean burning natural gas? Not sure of the name of > the company, but I hear that Caterpillar and Cummins will be using this > technoogy. Anyone know more about this and how it works? > > Jerry 1982 240D > Too old to convert > > > -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.
Are we talking about running diesel engines on CNG (I'd only heard of that with spark ignition engines), or are we talking about synthesizing diesel from NG? Mitch. roger...@comcast.net wrote: Jerry, I'd switch even my old diesels for synthetic diesel. It's cleaner, more power, better mileage, but I don't expect to see it. It's better to try to create something else rather than what could be. And even our old diesels would run on synthetic diesel without costly mods. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Monroe, Ga. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.
Running diesels on natural gas is old news. Been done for years in the transmission line business. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: > Are we talking about running diesel engines on CNG (I'd only heard of that > with spark ignition engines), or are we talking about synthesizing diesel > from NG? > > Mitch. > > roger...@comcast.net wrote: >> Jerry, I'd switch even my old diesels for synthetic diesel. It's cleaner, >> more power, better mileage, but I don't expect to see it. It's better to try >> to create something else rather than what could be. And even our old diesels >> would run on synthetic diesel without costly mods. Best Wishes, Roger Hale >> Monroe, Ga. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.
Converting flared/stranded natural gas deposits into diesel is the veritable valhalla of synthetic fuels development. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: > Running diesels on natural gas is old news. Been done for years in the > transmission line business. > > Dan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 9, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: > > > Are we talking about running diesel engines on CNG (I'd only heard of > that with spark ignition engines), or are we talking about synthesizing > diesel from NG? > > > > Mitch. > > > > roger...@comcast.net wrote: > >> Jerry, I'd switch even my old diesels for synthetic diesel. It's > cleaner, more power, better mileage, but I don't expect to see it. It's > better to try to create something else rather than what could be. And even > our old diesels would run on synthetic diesel without costly mods. Best > Wishes, Roger Hale Monroe, Ga. > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.
I have some experience with that program. About 12 years ago our local transit system converted several buses to LNG [Liquified Natural Gas] to join the "clean is green" movement. The engines ran OK, delivery and fill systems worked fine, however, power and mileage lost the match. Total BTU of LNG vs Diesel equation vs costs to convert, store, fill, and deal with the whole mess only worked because it was done on a government paid "money is no object" program. As soon as the "special money" ran out back to diesel. Cant imagine how that would work in todays economy for an individual with one or two vehicles, dependent upon the one LNG filling station within 100 miles of home. Your decision, don't shoot the messenger. Grant... If it's diesel, it's mine. On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Jerry Herrman wrote: > Is it too early to ask the collective opinion of this apparently new > technology that is available to retrofit current diesel engines from > dinosaur-diesel fuel to clean burning natural gas? Not sure of the name of > the company, but I hear that Caterpillar and Cummins will be using this > technoogy. Anyone know more about this and how it works? > > Jerry 1982 240D > Too old to convert > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6361 (20110808) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.
The issue here is AQ. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: G Mann Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 09:43:41 To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas. I have some experience with that program. About 12 years ago our local transit system converted several buses to LNG [Liquified Natural Gas] to join the "clean is green" movement. The engines ran OK, delivery and fill systems worked fine, however, power and mileage lost the match. Total BTU of LNG vs Diesel equation vs costs to convert, store, fill, and deal with the whole mess only worked because it was done on a government paid "money is no object" program. As soon as the "special money" ran out back to diesel. Cant imagine how that would work in todays economy for an individual with one or two vehicles, dependent upon the one LNG filling station within 100 miles of home. Your decision, don't shoot the messenger. Grant... If it's diesel, it's mine. On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Jerry Herrman wrote: > Is it too early to ask the collective opinion of this apparently new > technology that is available to retrofit current diesel engines from > dinosaur-diesel fuel to clean burning natural gas? Not sure of the name of > the company, but I hear that Caterpillar and Cummins will be using this > technoogy. Anyone know more about this and how it works? > > Jerry 1982 240D > Too old to convert > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6361 (20110808) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.
Not old to me. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dan Penoff Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 10:46:16 To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas. Running diesels on natural gas is old news. Been done for years in the transmission line business. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: > Are we talking about running diesel engines on CNG (I'd only heard of that > with spark ignition engines), or are we talking about synthesizing diesel > from NG? > > Mitch. > > roger...@comcast.net wrote: >> Jerry, I'd switch even my old diesels for synthetic diesel. It's cleaner, >> more power, better mileage, but I don't expect to see it. It's better to try >> to create something else rather than what could be. And even our old diesels >> would run on synthetic diesel without costly mods. Best Wishes, Roger Hale >> Monroe, Ga. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.
Diesels have been modified to run on NG for some time in the transmission line and drilling industry. This is mainly due to cheap and readily available gas supplies at the point of origin. Keep in mind that the decreased power output was offset by oversizing the prime mover, with the resulting costs being justified through the minimal expense of the fuel source. Not an ideal arrangement, but taking into consideration the situation, it makes good sense from a cost/benefits standpoint. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2011, at 12:43 PM, G Mann wrote: > I have some experience with that program. About 12 years ago our local > transit system converted several buses to LNG [Liquified Natural Gas] to > join the "clean is green" movement. The engines ran OK, delivery and fill > systems worked fine, however, power and mileage lost the match. Total BTU > of LNG vs Diesel equation vs costs to convert, store, fill, and deal with > the whole mess only worked because it was done on a government paid "money > is no object" program. As soon as the "special money" ran out back to > diesel. > > Cant imagine how that would work in todays economy for an individual with > one or two vehicles, dependent upon the one LNG filling station within 100 > miles of home. > > Your decision, don't shoot the messenger. > > Grant... > If it's diesel, it's mine. > > On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Jerry Herrman wrote: > >> Is it too early to ask the collective opinion of this apparently new >> technology that is available to retrofit current diesel engines from >> dinosaur-diesel fuel to clean burning natural gas? Not sure of the name of >> the company, but I hear that Caterpillar and Cummins will be using this >> technoogy. Anyone know more about this and how it works? >> >> Jerry 1982 240D >> Too old to convert >> >> >> __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >> database 6361 (20110808) __ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.
I believe if you take a gasoline engine and raise the compression ratio, you can get better power than with gasoline (but range is still a problem with compressed natural gas) 15-20 years back, Dick Guldstrand was showing drawings of a proposed ultra high performance CNG fueled Corvette GS. This link mentions it in passing, and implies that CNG Corvettes actually exist: http://www.autotraderclassics.com/car-article/Jay+Leno%3A+The+Collector-75356.xhtml G Mann wrote: I have some experience with that program. About 12 years ago our local transit system converted several buses to LNG [Liquified Natural Gas] to join the "clean is green" movement. The engines ran OK, delivery and fill systems worked fine, however, power and mileage lost the match. Total BTU of LNG vs Diesel equation vs costs to convert, store, fill, and deal with the whole mess only worked because it was done on a government paid "money is no object" program. As soon as the "special money" ran out back to diesel. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.
Commonly done in the generator and industrial engine market. Wreaked a lot of havoc because there were two different pistons used for the same engine, depending on the type of fuel used. You could go down, but not up... Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2011, at 1:14 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: > I believe if you take a gasoline engine and raise the compression ratio, you > can get better power than with gasoline (but range is still a problem with > compressed natural gas) > > 15-20 years back, Dick Guldstrand was showing drawings of a proposed ultra > high performance CNG fueled Corvette GS. > > This link mentions it in passing, and implies that CNG Corvettes actually > exist: > http://www.autotraderclassics.com/car-article/Jay+Leno%3A+The+Collector-75356.xhtml > > > G Mann wrote: >> I have some experience with that program. About 12 years ago our local >> transit system converted several buses to LNG [Liquified Natural Gas] to >> join the "clean is green" movement. The engines ran OK, delivery and fill >> systems worked fine, however, power and mileage lost the match. Total BTU >> of LNG vs Diesel equation vs costs to convert, store, fill, and deal with >> the whole mess only worked because it was done on a government paid "money >> is no object" program. As soon as the "special money" ran out back to >> diesel. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.
Same issue here, but funny how the Air Quality issue went away as soon as the federal funds were sucked out. City instead spend 6.8 Billion of Federal money on a "light rail" system... which immediately started losing money... lots of money. If the government spent 6.8 billion on planting trees to breathe carbon dioxide the impact would have been more "green" but No... couldn't think like that. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:45 AM, wrote: > The issue here is AQ. > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: G Mann > Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com > Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 09:43:41 > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas. > > I have some experience with that program. About 12 years ago our local > transit system converted several buses to LNG [Liquified Natural Gas] to > join the "clean is green" movement. The engines ran OK, delivery and fill > systems worked fine, however, power and mileage lost the match. Total BTU > of LNG vs Diesel equation vs costs to convert, store, fill, and deal with > the whole mess only worked because it was done on a government paid "money > is no object" program. As soon as the "special money" ran out back to > diesel. > > Cant imagine how that would work in todays economy for an individual with > one or two vehicles, dependent upon the one LNG filling station within 100 > miles of home. > > Your decision, don't shoot the messenger. > > Grant... > If it's diesel, it's mine. > > On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Jerry Herrman wrote: > > > Is it too early to ask the collective opinion of this apparently new > > technology that is available to retrofit current diesel engines from > > dinosaur-diesel fuel to clean burning natural gas? Not sure of the name > of > > the company, but I hear that Caterpillar and Cummins will be using this > > technoogy. Anyone know more about this and how it works? > > > > Jerry 1982 240D > > Too old to convert > > > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature > > database 6361 (20110808) __ > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.
MassPort has been running all the busses at the airport on CNG for years now, at least the last 8 years that I've been traveling frequently. Back 10 or so years ago Portland, Maine had an electric bus for commuter to park in a lot outside of downtown. I rode it quite a bit. The driver's commented that the biggest issue the designers had (I gathered the bus was a work in progress) was having useful power steering... -Curt Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 16:47:01 + From: astrasfo...@gmail.com To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas. Message-ID: <1954645429-1312908422-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1203988861-@b5.c28.bise6.blackberry> Content-Type: text/plain Not old to me. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dan Penoff Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 10:46:16 To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas. Running diesels on natural gas is old news. Been done for years in the transmission line business. Dan Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.
Curt Raymond writes: > Back 10 or so years ago Portland, Maine had an electric bus for > commuter to park in a lot outside of downtown. I rode it quite a > bit. The driver's commented that the biggest issue the designers had > (I gathered the bus was a work in progress) was having useful power > steering... Was it a self-powered electric bus or one with overhead catenary lines? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.
Battery powered. Trackless trollys have been a fixture of greater Boston for years and years. -Curt Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 18:42:44 -0400 From: Allan Streib To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt Raymond writes: > Back 10 or so years ago Portland, Maine had an electric bus for > commuter to park in a lot outside of downtown. I rode it quite a > bit. The driver's commented that the biggest issue the designers had > (I gathered the bus was a work in progress) was having useful power > steering... Was it a self-powered electric bus or one with overhead catenary lines? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
