Re: [MBZ] New S-class. Looks like a Hyundai
Floyd’s lawyer buddy’s S430 (W220) I had for a short tie was very much that. Pleather (pointed out with great disdain by my youngest son the first time he got into the car) along with a design that was soulless coupled with major league nanny electronics all added up to something I didn’t enjoy. It wasn’t a bad ride and I didn’t have any issues with it, but it just didn’t do anything for me. I was lucky that I got a smoking deal on it or I would have lost some major coin when I sold it. -D > On Sep 6, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote: > > The W220 I drove for a few years was on par with upper end Hyundaia-eh owned > by SWMBA. Hers was new, mine a few years old. Same plastics, same very thin > leather, same look and feel, same fabric linings. Not sure how reliable the > korean electronics were, as that car sold at five years old. I do know there > were electronic failings covered by warrantee on the Benz, with the cluster > replaced as well as switches and controls prior to my ownership. After 15 > years of care, that S class had less value than a junk yard runner did. > > clay > > > 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green > 2014 ‘yota Highlander - Haggis > > retired models- > 1986 SDL - Polei > 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap > 1982 SD - Allen > 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery > 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran > 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV > POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers > > > > > > > > >> On Sep 5, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Last Kia I drove felt like I was sitting in a coke can. Tinny and >> insubstantial. >> >> Agree on the styling but I'd certainly expect better build quality for >> the price of an MB. No? >> >> Allan >> >> >> Clay via Mercedes writes: >> >>> S class has looked like korean car for the past two decades. Kia cost a >>> bunch less and you get the same quality build and fitment >>> >>> clay >>> >>> “I think it’s time we stopped our cringing embarrassment about our >>> history, about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this >>> general bout of self-recrimination and wetness.” >>> >>> B. Johnson >>> 01/09/2020 >>> On Sep 5, 2020, at 7:23 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: And in order to drive it you can’t shave for 3 days And if you ride in the back you have to look like Nancy Pelosi https://youtu.be/-4zsY28t76k --FT Sent from iPhone >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New S-class. Looks like a Hyundai
The W220 I drove for a few years was on par with upper end Hyundaia-eh owned by SWMBA. Hers was new, mine a few years old. Same plastics, same very thin leather, same look and feel, same fabric linings. Not sure how reliable the korean electronics were, as that car sold at five years old. I do know there were electronic failings covered by warrantee on the Benz, with the cluster replaced as well as switches and controls prior to my ownership. After 15 years of care, that S class had less value than a junk yard runner did. clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 2014 ‘yota Highlander - Haggis retired models- 1986 SDL - Polei 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap 1982 SD - Allen 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers > On Sep 5, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Last Kia I drove felt like I was sitting in a coke can. Tinny and > insubstantial. > > Agree on the styling but I'd certainly expect better build quality for > the price of an MB. No? > > Allan > > > Clay via Mercedes writes: > >> S class has looked like korean car for the past two decades. Kia cost a >> bunch less and you get the same quality build and fitment >> >> clay >> >> “I think it’s time we stopped our cringing embarrassment about our history, >> about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout >> of self-recrimination and wetness.” >> >> B. Johnson >> 01/09/2020 >> >>> On Sep 5, 2020, at 7:23 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> And in order to drive it you can’t shave for 3 days >>> >>> And if you ride in the back you have to look like Nancy Pelosi >>> >>> https://youtu.be/-4zsY28t76k >>> >>> --FT >>> Sent from iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New S-class. Looks like a Hyundai
That has to be the most irritating advertisement I have ever tried to watch.. It insults me in so many ways, I had to click it off... The only saving grace would be if the last 20 seconds of the ad, the car and actors were driven into a car scrap shredder... Everything crushed, including the techno music. Y On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 2:57 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Last Kia I drove felt like I was sitting in a coke can. Tinny and > insubstantial. > > Agree on the styling but I'd certainly expect better build quality for > the price of an MB. No? > > Allan > > > Clay via Mercedes writes: > > > S class has looked like korean car for the past two decades. Kia cost a > bunch less and you get the same quality build and fitment > > > > clay > > > > “I think it’s time we stopped our cringing embarrassment about our > history, about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this > general bout of self-recrimination and wetness.” > > > > B. Johnson > > 01/09/2020 > > > >> On Sep 5, 2020, at 7:23 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> And in order to drive it you can’t shave for 3 days > >> > >> And if you ride in the back you have to look like Nancy Pelosi > >> > >> https://youtu.be/-4zsY28t76k > >> > >> --FT > >> Sent from iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New S-class. Looks like a Hyundai
Last Kia I drove felt like I was sitting in a coke can. Tinny and insubstantial. Agree on the styling but I'd certainly expect better build quality for the price of an MB. No? Allan Clay via Mercedes writes: > S class has looked like korean car for the past two decades. Kia cost a > bunch less and you get the same quality build and fitment > > clay > > “I think it’s time we stopped our cringing embarrassment about our history, > about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of > self-recrimination and wetness.” > > B. Johnson > 01/09/2020 > >> On Sep 5, 2020, at 7:23 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> And in order to drive it you can’t shave for 3 days >> >> And if you ride in the back you have to look like Nancy Pelosi >> >> https://youtu.be/-4zsY28t76k >> >> --FT >> Sent from iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New S-class. Looks like a Hyundai
S class has looked like korean car for the past two decades. Kia cost a bunch less and you get the same quality build and fitment clay “I think it’s time we stopped our cringing embarrassment about our history, about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of self-recrimination and wetness.” B. Johnson 01/09/2020 > On Sep 5, 2020, at 7:23 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes > wrote: > > And in order to drive it you can’t shave for 3 days > > And if you ride in the back you have to look like Nancy Pelosi > > https://youtu.be/-4zsY28t76k > > --FT > Sent from iPhone > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New S-class. Looks like a Hyundai
On Sat, September 5, 2020 11:23 am, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: > And if you ride in the back you have to look like Nancy Pelosi I thought you made that up. I thought wrong. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New S-class. Looks like a Hyundai
One of the main things I like about the classic (123/124/126 pre 90s) models is they avoided unnecessary complication. For example, the passenger-side mirror was electric but not the driver side because you can reach to adjust it manually. They are maintainable and also indefinitely repairable (if parts available) unless they rust out. -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 11:24 AM To: Mercedes List Cc: Buggered Benzmail Subject: [MBZ] New S-class. Looks like a Hyundai And in order to drive it you can’t shave for 3 days And if you ride in the back you have to look like Nancy Pelosi https://youtu.be/-4zsY28t76k --FT Sent from iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] New S-class. Looks like a Hyundai
And in order to drive it you can’t shave for 3 days And if you ride in the back you have to look like Nancy Pelosi https://youtu.be/-4zsY28t76k --FT Sent from iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] new S class
Why so much negativity? The new S class has an impressive set of new features, especially safety related. Check out the full press release. It goes on and on. As usual, the S class sets the standard for high end luxury cars. People with $100k+ to spend on a car expect the most modern car available. And that what they'll get. Jaime On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: https://www.facebook.com/**media/set/?set=a.**641759882518711.1073741866.* *112336898794348type=1https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.641759882518711.1073741866.112336898794348type=1 --R __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] new S class
I like these exterior shots of this S350 BlueTEC. Not really excited about the design of the dash, but oh well If I had $100K to spend on a new MB, I'd still rather have a C or E BlueTEC model, the S is too much car (at least for just myself). A nice low mi, well kept Euro W124 200D in thistle green, I'd be perfectly content with though. Who, meparticular?? Nah... ;-) http://www.netcarshow.com/mercedes-benz/2014-s-class/1024x768/wallpaper_02.htm http://www.netcarshow.com/mercedes-benz/2014-s-class/1024x768/wallpaper_17.htm On 5/16/2013 9:29 AM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Why so much negativity? The new S class has an impressive set of new features, especially safety related. Check out the full press release. It goes on and on. As usual, the S class sets the standard for high end luxury cars. People with $100k+ to spend on a car expect the most modern car available. And that what they'll get. Jaime -- Chris J. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] new S class
I like these exterior shots of this S350 BlueTEC. Not really excited about the design of the dash, but oh well If I had $100K to spend on a new MB, I'd still rather have a C or E BlueTEC model, the S is too much car (at least for just myself). A nice low mi, well kept Euro W124 200D in thistle green, I'd be perfectly content with though. Who, meparticular?? Nah... ;-) http://www.netcarshow.com/mercedes-benz/2014-s-class/1024x768/wallpaper_02.htm http://www.netcarshow.com/mercedes-benz/2014-s-class/1024x768/wallpaper_17.htm On 5/16/2013 9:29 AM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Why so much negativity? The new S class has an impressive set of new features, especially safety related. Check out the full press release. It goes on and on. As usual, the S class sets the standard for high end luxury cars. People with $100k+ to spend on a car expect the most modern car available. And that what they'll get. Jaime -- Chris J. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] new S class
Oh, I concede that they are loaded with great features and incredible technology. My complaint is with the aesthetics. On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Chris James c_ja...@gmx.com wrote: I like these exterior shots of this S350 BlueTEC. Not really excited about the design of the dash, but oh well If I had $100K to spend on a new MB, I'd still rather have a C or E BlueTEC model, the S is too much car (at least for just myself). A nice low mi, well kept Euro W124 200D in thistle green, I'd be perfectly content with though. Who, meparticular?? Nah... ;-) http://www.netcarshow.com/**mercedes-benz/2014-s-class/** 1024x768/wallpaper_02.htmhttp://www.netcarshow.com/mercedes-benz/2014-s-class/1024x768/wallpaper_02.htm http://www.netcarshow.com/**mercedes-benz/2014-s-class/** 1024x768/wallpaper_17.htmhttp://www.netcarshow.com/mercedes-benz/2014-s-class/1024x768/wallpaper_17.htm On 5/16/2013 9:29 AM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Why so much negativity? The new S class has an impressive set of new features, especially safety related. Check out the full press release. It goes on and on. As usual, the S class sets the standard for high end luxury cars. People with $100k+ to spend on a car expect the most modern car available. And that what they'll get. Jaime -- Chris J. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] new S class
On 16/05/2013 8:29 AM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Why so much negativity? The new S class has an impressive set of new features, especially safety related. Check out the full press release. It goes on and on. As usual, the S class sets the standard for high end luxury cars. People with $100k+ to spend on a car expect the most modern car available. And that what they'll get. Jaime We are bottom feeders. We won't like the new cars for 10 to 20 years. Then, if we are still around (and if the new cars survive that long) we will think they are great. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] new S class
On May 16, 2013 9:31 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Why so much negativity? We're trying to depress the resale market so that we'll be able to afford them in 20 years. The new S class has an impressive set of new features, especially safety related. Check out the full press release. It goes on and on. As usual, the S class sets the standard for high end luxury cars. No waffle maker? Should come standard. I've never felt like I could safely use an aftermarket waffle maker on the interstate. People with $100k+ to spend on a car expect the most modern car available. And that what they'll get. A Tesla Roadster? :) Plenty of old cars are selling for $100k... it's all in your needs and wants. Of course none of mine are in that range. -Tim wishes he had $100k to spend on a car, not because he'd actually spend it on a car though... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] new S class
Randy Bennell wrote: On 16/05/2013 8:29 AM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Why so much negativity? The new S class has an impressive set of new features, especially safety related. Check out the full press release. It goes on and on. As usual, the S class sets the standard for high end luxury cars. People with $100k+ to spend on a car expect the most modern car available. And that what they'll get. Jaime We are bottom feeders. We won't like the new cars for 10 to 20 years. Then, if we are still around (and if the new cars survive that long) we will think they are great. I loved the W116 300SD when I first heard of it, about the time I was in driver's education. If only my parents would have been willing to trade their 3 year old custom built home for one and give it to me for my 16th birthday. (well, actually they paid 1/4 more for the house than a SD cost back then) Thinking back on it, it's not surprising that a '79 SD was the first MBZ I ever bought, more than 20 years later. I think I always liked the W124. I know I really liked the W201 when it came out. You accurately described my feelings about the bug eyed 210 chassis with all its gimmicks and digital displays. I always hated the W210 before it fell into my price range. Now I don't really think it's great, but I do like it, as long as the front suspension isn't falling apart. (but I do hate the failing 210 climate control and radio LCD displays more than I hate the failing 124 and 201 outside temperature displays) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] new S class
We won't like the new cars for 10 to 20 years. Then, if we are still around (and if the new cars survive that long) we will think they are great. I loved the W116 300SD when I first heard of it, about the time I was in driver's education. If only my parents would have been willing to trade their 3 year old custom built home for one and give it to me for my 16th birthday. (well, actually they paid 1/4 more for the house than a SD cost back then) Thinking back on it, it's not surprising that a '79 SD was the first MBZ I ever bought, more than 20 years later. I think I always liked the W124. I know I really liked the W201 when it came out. You accurately described my feelings about the bug eyed 210 chassis with all its gimmicks and digital displays. I always hated the W210 before it fell into my price range. Now I don't really think it's great, but I do like it, as long as the front suspension isn't falling apart. (but I do hate the failing 210 climate control and radio LCD displays more than I hate the failing 124 and 201 outside temperature displays) Mitch. The worst part of 123s, 124s and 126s are the electonics. ACC in particular. Fortunately 240D's escaped the MOMbusa bowtie dictate that every car sold in the USA had to be loaded up with crap to compete with fattylac. MOMbusa has completely missed the fact that a significant segment of the MB market was for people who love the LONG TERM economy of a MB that keeps running, is inexpensive to repair, and is as simple as possible. crank window 240Ds represent this market, and there is a significant interest in crank window 240Ds for this reason. The A class is the current incarnation for this market, but it is strictly VERBOTEN by MOMbusa. I might buy a 210 or its successor someday, but honestly, some form of Deetriot iron is more likely if I ever give up on 123s 124s and 126s. Each is successively more expensive and difficult to maintain. My Dogde van on the other hand, is pretty cheap and easy. The advantage that 123, 124 and 126 have over the 'merkun iron, is that they have Diesels with mechanical FI. If we are going to electronic FI, (gas or Diesel) then the only advantage MB has is safety. I don't want or need all the crap MOMBusa loads on an MB to make it a luxury car. I don't want or need all the crap crypsler wants to load on a common dogde van. Self opening and closing side doors, for example. More crap is more crap to break, and it is the crap that generally breaks first and more often. Even if I wanted to spend the money, I don't see a new S MB in my future. too much crap on it. I know Jaime likes the toys and gizmos on the new cars, and that is fine. It is how he makes his livelihood. But he also appreciates the old MBs too, and that is where we will always agree. BTW, my philosophy is the same about cell phones too. I just want a telephone that folds, is compact and works. (like the Startrek communicator) If I want all the other crap, I will buy an ipod touch. Less is more. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] new S class
On 16/05/2013 1:36 PM, Dieselhead wrote: We won't like the new cars for 10 to 20 years. Then, if we are still around (and if the new cars survive that long) we will think they are great. I loved the W116 300SD when I first heard of it, about the time I was in driver's education. If only my parents would have been willing to trade their 3 year old custom built home for one and give it to me for my 16th birthday. (well, actually they paid 1/4 more for the house than a SD cost back then) Thinking back on it, it's not surprising that a '79 SD was the first MBZ I ever bought, more than 20 years later. I think I always liked the W124. I know I really liked the W201 when it came out. You accurately described my feelings about the bug eyed 210 chassis with all its gimmicks and digital displays. I always hated the W210 before it fell into my price range. Now I don't really think it's great, but I do like it, as long as the front suspension isn't falling apart. (but I do hate the failing 210 climate control and radio LCD displays more than I hate the failing 124 and 201 outside temperature displays) Mitch. The worst part of 123s, 124s and 126s are the electonics. ACC in particular. Fortunately 240D's escaped the MOMbusa bowtie dictate that every car sold in the USA had to be loaded up with crap to compete with fattylac. MOMbusa has completely missed the fact that a significant segment of the MB market was for people who love the LONG TERM economy of a MB that keeps running, is inexpensive to repair, and is as simple as possible. crank window 240Ds represent this market, and there is a significant interest in crank window 240Ds for this reason. The A class is the current incarnation for this market, but it is strictly VERBOTEN by MOMbusa. I might buy a 210 or its successor someday, but honestly, some form of Deetriot iron is more likely if I ever give up on 123s 124s and 126s. Each is successively more expensive and difficult to maintain. My Dogde van on the other hand, is pretty cheap and easy. The advantage that 123, 124 and 126 have over the 'merkun iron, is that they have Diesels with mechanical FI. If we are going to electronic FI, (gas or Diesel) then the only advantage MB has is safety. I don't want or need all the crap MOMBusa loads on an MB to make it a luxury car. I don't want or need all the crap crypsler wants to load on a common dogde van. Self opening and closing side doors, for example. More crap is more crap to break, and it is the crap that generally breaks first and more often. Even if I wanted to spend the money, I don't see a new S MB in my future. too much crap on it. I know Jaime likes the toys and gizmos on the new cars, and that is fine. It is how he makes his livelihood. But he also appreciates the old MBs too, and that is where we will always agree. BTW, my philosophy is the same about cell phones too. I just want a telephone that folds, is compact and works. (like the Startrek communicator) If I want all the other crap, I will buy an ipod touch. Less is more. ___ Do they still sell those in the rest of the world? Or has Toyota taken over the taxi market in the 3rd world? I would suggest as well, that price is an issue. MB's are expensive when new and the folks who buy them expect to get the bells and whistles. I like the power windows on my car partly because my AC is not working and I get better flow through the vehicle if I lower the right rear window a bit along with the driver's window. I could do that manually but it would be a pain if I make a number of short trips around town and have to crank it back up on each stop to avoid some lowlife sifting throuugh my car while it is parked. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] new S class
I find the newer cars easier to work on and maintain Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: We won't like the new cars for 10 to 20 years. Then, if we are still around (and if the new cars survive that long) we will think they are great. I loved the W116 300SD when I first heard of it, about the time I was in driver's education. If only my parents would have been willing to trade their 3 year old custom built home for one and give it to me for my 16th birthday. (well, actually they paid 1/4 more for the house than a SD cost back then) Thinking back on it, it's not surprising that a '79 SD was the first MBZ I ever bought, more than 20 years later. I think I always liked the W124. I know I really liked the W201 when it came out. You accurately described my feelings about the bug eyed 210 chassis with all its gimmicks and digital displays. I always hated the W210 before it fell into my price range. Now I don't really think it's great, but I do like it, as long as the front suspension isn't falling apart. (but I do hate the failing 210 climate control and radio LCD displays more than I hate the failing 124 and 201 outside temperature displays) Mitch. The worst part of 123s, 124s and 126s are the electonics. ACC in particular. Fortunately 240D's escaped the MOMbusa bowtie dictate that every car sold in the USA had to be loaded up with crap to compete with fattylac. MOMbusa has completely missed the fact that a significant segment of the MB market was for people who love the LONG TERM economy of a MB that keeps running, is inexpensive to repair, and is as simple as possible. crank window 240Ds represent this market, and there is a significant interest in crank window 240Ds for this reason. The A class is the current incarnation for this market, but it is strictly VERBOTEN by MOMbusa. I might buy a 210 or its successor someday, but honestly, some form of Deetriot iron is more likely if I ever give up on 123s 124s and 126s. Each is successively more expensive and difficult to maintain. My Dogde van on the other hand, is pretty cheap and easy. The advantage that 123, 124 and 126 have over the 'merkun iron, is that they have Diesels with mechanical FI. If we are going to electronic FI, (gas or Diesel) then the only advantage MB has is safety. I don't want or need all the crap MOMBusa loads on an MB to make it a luxury car. I don't want or need all the crap crypsler wants to load on a common dogde van. Self opening and closing side doors, for example. More crap is more crap to break, and it is the crap that generally breaks first and more often. Even if I wanted to spend the money, I don't see a new S MB in my future. too much crap on it. I know Jaime likes the toys and gizmos on the new cars, and that is fine. It is how he makes his livelihood. But he also appreciates the old MBs too, and that is where we will always agree. BTW, my philosophy is the same about cell phones too. I just want a telephone that folds, is compact and works. (like the Startrek communicator) If I want all the other crap, I will buy an ipod touch. Less is more. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] new S class
I am not enamored of the style/design of the 210 era cars. I get the feeling that the cars from 95-05 are pretty much junkers due to the lapses in quality control and questionable parts. The records show that even the W140 had pretty bad issues from 92-96, and only during the last three years of that model were they able to produce something half decent. From keeping an eye out for possible replacements to Gump as well as the now boo boo laden E300, I am still not enamored of the hyundia looking tri-stars, but they are getting better, and maybe in another decade the '05 and newer cars might be worth putting some cash down clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On May 16, 2013, at 10:32 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Randy Bennell wrote: On 16/05/2013 8:29 AM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Why so much negativity? The new S class has an impressive set of new features, especially safety related. Check out the full press release. It goes on and on. As usual, the S class sets the standard for high end luxury cars. People with $100k+ to spend on a car expect the most modern car available. And that what they'll get. Jaime We are bottom feeders. We won't like the new cars for 10 to 20 years. Then, if we are still around (and if the new cars survive that long) we will think they are great. I loved the W116 300SD when I first heard of it, about the time I was in driver's education. If only my parents would have been willing to trade their 3 year old custom built home for one and give it to me for my 16th birthday. (well, actually they paid 1/4 more for the house than a SD cost back then) Thinking back on it, it's not surprising that a '79 SD was the first MBZ I ever bought, more than 20 years later. I think I always liked the W124. I know I really liked the W201 when it came out. You accurately described my feelings about the bug eyed 210 chassis with all its gimmicks and digital displays. I always hated the W210 before it fell into my price range. Now I don't really think it's great, but I do like it, as long as the front suspension isn't falling apart. (but I do hate the failing 210 climate control and radio LCD displays more than I hate the failing 124 and 201 outside temperature displays) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] new S class
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Re: [MBZ] new S class
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Re: [MBZ] new S class
best-looking Hyundai *ever*! snicker cheers! e On 15/May/13 19:00, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Leaves me cold. On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: https://www.facebook.com/**media/set/?set=a.**641759882518711.1073741866.* *112336898794348type=1https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.641759882518711.1073741866.112336898794348type=1 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] new S class
Leaves me cold. I didn't even bother to look. A 126 is MUCH more pleasing to look at. I'd much rather look at andrew's 123 TDs than a 140 or its successor, or the latest. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] new S class Maybach clone
Looks a bit like a Maybach, particularly the rear. Hendrik whose rear does not look like a Maybach On 16/05/13 12:26, Dieselhead wrote: Leaves me cold. I didn't even bother to look. A 126 is MUCH more pleasing to look at. I'd much rather look at andrew's 123 TDs than a 140 or its successor, or the latest. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
