Re: [MBZ] worst of its over
The interesting thing about my family is we tend (with a few exceptions of course) to fly along just fine with full quality of (albeit slower) life until one day WHAM and thats it. No long convalescence for us. My grandmother is 90 last fall. Keeps an apartment "down south" in Portland (Maine) for the winter and her house in Caribou for the summer. Still drives herself around. Of course she's a scary driver but not any more so than she has been for the last 30 years... My grandfather and uncle Reg would have lived forever if it hadn't been for smoking. Grandpop had a lung removed, they gave him 2 years he lived for 10. Reg had emphysema and died just short of 80. We don't know so much about my mother's family, her dad died in his late '50s, her mother in her mid '60s. They worked in factories, dad's family farmed, I suspect lifestyle had some to do with it... -Curt Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 13:29:40 -0600 From: Mountain Man To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over Message-ID: <3485b4231001301129w52c04dfcod92e8946e28a7...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: > Man if I don't make it another 70 years I'm gonna be pissed. I don't understand the mind that wants to live s lng that everything is old, decrepit, broken. I like the mindset of having it end as I hit the wall at 120mph, so to speak - all faculties in full array, fully functional, enjoying the moment. This "he who dies last - wins" escapes my rational processes - I can't wrap my mind around it. I am past my prime, body-wise, earnings-wise, life-wise - I am ready for the earth. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt wrote: Remember I'm 33 (well, 34 next week), if I were 50 I'd have a totally different opinion of this. At 33 I expect to live another 50, 60 or maybe even 70 years. Loss of some heart muscle now is gonna have a big effect on my chances later on. Being 34 and wanting another 50 years - not a bad wish. Me being closer to the end - it just don't matter, really. I am certainly glad I have never had this type of prognosis. I can think of many many "cheap" words, and I enjoy all the rational words of Peter and others, but... what else can we say. We each speak - none of it from a point of experience, except for the one in the experience. You had a tough call to make - you prolly done good. mao ___ Here's a basic reference for people with heart disease. http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4726 Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well, would have to talk to my wife about the quantities but basically, potato, corn, onion, in a milk based broth. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Mountain Man Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 9:35 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over Randy wrote: > Out here in the middle of the prairies, 1500 miles or so from the nearest > ocean, we tend to eat more Corn Chowder > than the seafood varieties. Good stuff on a cold winter day. > Okay - I'm game - it is cold here. Give us a down-home recipe, if you have one. We had a can of salmon chowdah yesterday at lunch - Bar Harbor label. It was real tasty. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt wrote: > Man if I don't make it another 70 years I'm gonna be pissed. I don't understand the mind that wants to live s lng that everything is old, decrepit, broken. I like the mindset of having it end as I hit the wall at 120mph, so to speak - all faculties in full array, fully functional, enjoying the moment. This "he who dies last - wins" escapes my rational processes - I can't wrap my mind around it. I am past my prime, body-wise, earnings-wise, life-wise - I am ready for the earth. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I am game (so to speak) -I like corn chowdah and grilled veggie burgers-it's about the Benzes anyway. (I might still have to have cheese.) Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Bob Rentfro Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 10:18 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over Can't really do a vegan Chowda Fest, huh Bob R On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > Not a chance, we'll switch to turkey bacon, or maybe I'll have to bring > another stove and make turkey bacon just for me... > > I was thinking about french fries for this year but maybe I'll add some > fish to the menu instead. > > -Curt > > Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 8:32:59 -0500 > From: > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Curt Raymond > Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over > Message-ID: <20100129083259.97owh.731575.im...@eastrmwml38> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Curt, > Glad you had it done-we need you at Chowdah fest. Does this mean you'll be > taking Fred's favorite -bacon burgers- off the menu? > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I can get fresh fish here at the docks. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 10:10 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over Not a chance, we'll switch to turkey bacon, or maybe I'll have to bring another stove and make turkey bacon just for me... I was thinking about french fries for this year but maybe I'll add some fish to the menu instead. -Curt Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 8:32:59 -0500 From: To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Curt Raymond Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over Message-ID: <20100129083259.97owh.731575.im...@eastrmwml38> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Curt, Glad you had it done-we need you at Chowdah fest. Does this mean you'll be taking Fred's favorite -bacon burgers- off the menu? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Man if I don't make it another 70 years I'm gonna be pissed. This body is a gyp, they don't build quality anymore. Average lifespan on my dad's side is over 90, my grandmother is 90 now. On my mother's its more like 65... Hopefully the good genes will win out. -Curt Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:32:23 -0600 From: Mountain Man To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over Message-ID: <3485b4231001291932t75475195r6d43b4189ca71...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: > Remember I'm 33 (well, 34 next week), if I were 50 I'd have a totally different opinion of this. At 33 I expect to live another 50, 60 or maybe even 70 years. Loss of some heart muscle now is gonna have a big effect on my chances later on. > Being 34 and wanting another 50 years - not a bad wish. Me being closer to the end - it just don't matter, really. I am certainly glad I have never had this type of prognosis. I can think of many many "cheap" words, and I enjoy all the rational words of Peter and others, but... what else can we say. We each speak - none of it from a point of experience, except for the one in the experience. You had a tough call to make - you prolly done good. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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"LarryT" writes: > A Google search of Malpractice Costs will provide a large number of > links to all kinds of studies and reports. One I partly read - at: > http://server.iii.org/yy_obj_data/binary/729103_1_0/Medmal.pdf talked > at length about the effects of claims and defensive medicine practiced > by many doctors. There's lots of stats there but one I found > interesting was that a doctor pays on average "$100K to defend > themselves again a single claim (unfounded or not) - and a large % of > claims are unfounded. Someone can get upset at their doctor and sue - > end up with zero $$'s and the doc still pays $100K (or their insurance > co pays) to defend themselves. Compounding the problem are the plantiff's attorneys who will work on a contingency basis. This lets people sue doctors (and others) with no downside if they lose. A "loser pays" approach would go far towards eliminating frivolous and speculative lawsuits. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Randy wrote: > Out here in the middle of the prairies, 1500 miles or so from the nearest > ocean, we tend to eat more Corn Chowder > than the seafood varieties. Good stuff on a cold winter day. > Okay - I'm game - it is cold here. Give us a down-home recipe, if you have one. We had a can of salmon chowdah yesterday at lunch - Bar Harbor label. It was real tasty. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Pete wrote: > NOT SO, unless you had a massive infarct, you will rebuild via collateral > circulation. You life expectancy should not be significantly shortened. > You are just starting the trip, don't be so tough on your self. Now, that is more in line with my thinking that we run around in an amazing mechanism. The body capacity to manage stuff is awesome, really. Perhaps we "baby" our bodies with what we call "health care" in this country. Strength is gained via exercise which is organized stress. i.e. when the going gets tough, the tough get going may apply. So we go through without the "necessary" medical intervention and become a stronger body in the making. Thanks. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt wrote: > Remember I'm 33 (well, 34 next week), if I were 50 I'd have a totally > different opinion of this. At 33 I expect to live another 50, 60 or maybe > even 70 years. Loss of some heart muscle now is gonna have a big effect on my > chances later on. > Being 34 and wanting another 50 years - not a bad wish. Me being closer to the end - it just don't matter, really. I am certainly glad I have never had this type of prognosis. I can think of many many "cheap" words, and I enjoy all the rational words of Peter and others, but... what else can we say. We each speak - none of it from a point of experience, except for the one in the experience. You had a tough call to make - you prolly done good. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Another thing is the "white curtain" where doctors will protect each other even when they know another is doing something obviously wrong. Doctors need to be held accountable when they make mistakes, the same why you'd hold anybody accountable. The problem of course is the human body isn't anywhere near so straight forward as a car and mistakes can be fatal but still. I remember seeing on TV one doc who had some amazing rate of cancer among his patients. Turns out he was getting paid $$ to take samples of skin and something like 90% of his samples had "cancer" for which he'd then make $$ treating patients that WERE FINE. Other docs knew about it but there was just a nod and a wink... Its docs like that which drive up malpractice. Plus I don't want tort reform in a healthcare bill, I want it in a tort reform bill. If a healthcare bill can't stand on its own without tort reform its not a good enough bill. -Curt Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:39:13 -0500 From: "LarryT" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original A Google search of Malpractice Costs will provide a large number of links to all kinds of studies and reports. One I partly read - at: http://server.iii.org/yy_obj_data/binary/729103_1_0/Medmal.pdf talked at length about the effects of claims and defensive medicine practiced by many doctors. There's lots of stats there but one I found interesting was that a doctor pays on average "$100K to defend themselves again a single claim (unfounded or not) - and a large % of claims are unfounded. Someone can get upset at their doctor and sue - end up with zero $$'s and the doc still pays $100K (or their insurance co pays) to defend themselves. Reading the link will tell a pretty complete story of the costs involved. One large cost is when doctors stop practicing in a specialty or location that has high claims rates - Ob-Gyn is one of those areas. For people needing a doctor it can be very difficulty to find one locally. But, many lawyers who depend on Malpractice donate heavily to politicians who will not pass Tort Reform to stop outrageous financial awards. As an example, the current Healthcare plan does not contain mention of Tort reform. H Take care -- LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] worst of its over
A Google search of Malpractice Costs will provide a large number of links to all kinds of studies and reports. One I partly read - at: http://server.iii.org/yy_obj_data/binary/729103_1_0/Medmal.pdf talked at length about the effects of claims and defensive medicine practiced by many doctors. There's lots of stats there but one I found interesting was that a doctor pays on average "$100K to defend themselves again a single claim (unfounded or not) - and a large % of claims are unfounded. Someone can get upset at their doctor and sue - end up with zero $$'s and the doc still pays $100K (or their insurance co pays) to defend themselves. Reading the link will tell a pretty complete story of the costs involved. One large cost is when doctors stop practicing in a specialty or location that has high claims rates - Ob-Gyn is one of those areas. For people needing a doctor it can be very difficulty to find one locally. But, many lawyers who depend on Malpractice donate heavily to politicians who will not pass Tort Reform to stop outrageous financial awards. As an example, the current Healthcare plan does not contain mention of Tort reform. H Take care -- LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "OK Don" Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:37 PM To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over I read somewhere that malpractice insurance is less than 2% of healthcare costs - but I don't have any idea how much defensive medicene is costing. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Peter wrote: > While I don't know the figures, I suspect that if we > removed all insurance companies, both malpractice and health ins. we could > all have resonably priced access to healthcare. Ah - thanks for that final sentence. That has been my suspicion for a while. However, the news wants us to think it is the uninsured that is driving cost up. They are nailing the wrong demographic in their witch-hunt. I agree - abolish insco and prices for reasonable and competent health care will be realized. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Lambrusco? That is like Welch's with a bite. Or Mogen-David. WWW!!! --R Curt Raymond wrote: Right-o. It wasn't until this summer I tried a red I like, normally the tannic flavors turn me right off. However my mom is into lambrusco which my wife and I like too. -Curt Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:17:28 -0500 From: Rich Thomas To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over Message-ID: <4b631828.2030...@constructivity.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed And red wine. --R Curt Raymond wrote: One study does not a conclusion make... Theres stuff like this all the time, eat this not that, no never mind don't eat either of them etc. etc... I think the best long term outlook is moderation but that doesn't make for headlines. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Which reminds me of high school chemistry class with all the little warning labels on the chemicals. Our teacher loved to put a huge warning label on water. "Can cause heart attacks (from shoveling snow), drowning, slips and falls (ice)" you get the idea. He even listed things like when you run out of salt in your blood, quite a morbid and weird little guy. My friends and I loved him. -Curt Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:16:08 -0500 From: John Reames To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over Message-ID: <95957175-4e42-427b-be4c-3e2afb71d...@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Yep, even life is fatal, given large enough dosage... but then so is everything else... -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Right-o. It wasn't until this summer I tried a red I like, normally the tannic flavors turn me right off. However my mom is into lambrusco which my wife and I like too. -Curt Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:17:28 -0500 From: Rich Thomas To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over Message-ID: <4b631828.2030...@constructivity.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed And red wine. --R Curt Raymond wrote: > One study does not a conclusion make... > > Theres stuff like this all the time, eat this not that, no never mind don't > eat either of them etc. etc... > > I think the best long term outlook is moderation but that doesn't make for > headlines. > > -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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NOT SO, unless you had a massive infarct, you will rebuild via collateral circulation. You life expectancy should not be significantly shortened. You are just starting the trip, don't be so tough on your self. Pete On 1/29/2010 10:13 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Sure, but you damage the heart muscle and that never recovers. You're more likely to have another heart attack too. Remember I'm 33 (well, 34 next week), if I were 50 I'd have a totally different opinion of this. At 33 I expect to live another 50, 60 or maybe even 70 years. Loss of some heart muscle now is gonna have a big effect on my chances later on. -Curt Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:20:49 + (UTC) From: pm7...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over Message-ID: <683910541.1107611264774849302.javamail.r...@sz0127a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 20 years ago Back in the day; The standard of care was as follows: You have chest pain, you don't die. You go to E.R., you don't die in 2 hours You are transferred to ICU, learned men come in and consult. Bitchy nurses make you use a bed pan. You don't die 3 days later they perform an angioplasty, you don't die. Today, if you have sudden onset of angina, plan on have a cardiac procedure THAT DAY. Why? They don't want you to die. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yeah, unexplainable chest pains definitely warrant detailed imaging. -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 29, 2010, at 8:37, Curt Raymond wrote: Tell you what, I'm glad for the CT, without it I never would have gotten the cath and without either of them we'd have never known about the blockage until I had a heart attack... -Curt Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:51:36 -0600 From: Peter Hertzing To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over Message-ID: <3a3393481001281451y5a3b8f0au3c94a18d10f73...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'll provide some incite. I am a hospital administrator. I work on the physician practice side. In our Emergency room 65% of ER visitors have a Cat Scan. Is it necessary - really no. It is medicine dictated by Lawyers. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yep, even life is fatal, given large enough dosage... but then so is everything else... -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 29, 2010, at 8:26, Curt Raymond wrote: Next up on the home surgery network... I question big healthcare all the time and I'm certainly no friend of big pharma. That said I had bad blockages in 2 arteries, I saw them with my own eyes and I saw the blockages go away after the stents were put in. They would have stopped if I'd wanted them to and I could have come home yesterday but if I had I'd probably die within 5 years. Death is inevitable and I realize that none of us get out of here alive but at 33 I'm willing to try to put it off for a little while anyway. -Curt Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:05:07 -0600 From: "R A Bennell" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" I don't know - DIY seems a bit iffy on things like this. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And red wine. --R Curt Raymond wrote: One study does not a conclusion make... Theres stuff like this all the time, eat this not that, no never mind don't eat either of them etc. etc... I think the best long term outlook is moderation but that doesn't make for headlines. -Curt Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:41:21 -0500 From: "Allan Streib" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over Message-ID: <1264779681.16055.1357249...@webmail.messagingengine.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just read of a study that found no correlation of saturated fat consumption to heart disease. http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/ajcn.2009.27725v1 Results: "Intake of saturated fat was not associated with an increased risk of CHD, stroke, or CVD." Now, this is a research abstract and NOT medical advice... but it is surprising to me because it is a direct contradiction to all the conventional wisdom of the last two or three decades. Allan On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:09 -0800, "Curt Raymond" wrote: Not a chance, we'll switch to turkey bacon, or maybe I'll have to bring another stove and make turkey bacon just for me... I was thinking about french fries for this year but maybe I'll add some fish to the menu instead. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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One study does not a conclusion make... Theres stuff like this all the time, eat this not that, no never mind don't eat either of them etc. etc... I think the best long term outlook is moderation but that doesn't make for headlines. -Curt Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:41:21 -0500 From: "Allan Streib" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over Message-ID: <1264779681.16055.1357249...@webmail.messagingengine.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just read of a study that found no correlation of saturated fat consumption to heart disease. http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/ajcn.2009.27725v1 Results: "Intake of saturated fat was not associated with an increased risk of CHD, stroke, or CVD." Now, this is a research abstract and NOT medical advice... but it is surprising to me because it is a direct contradiction to all the conventional wisdom of the last two or three decades. Allan On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:09 -0800, "Curt Raymond" wrote: > Not a chance, we'll switch to turkey bacon, or maybe I'll have to > bring another stove and make turkey bacon just for me... > > I was thinking about french fries for this year but maybe I'll add > some fish to the menu instead. > > -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Out here in the middle of the prairies, 1500 miles or so from the nearest ocean, we tend to eat more Corn Chowder than the seafood varieties. Good stuff on a cold winter day. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Bob Rentfro Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 9:18 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over Can't really do a vegan Chowda Fest, huh Bob R On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > Not a chance, we'll switch to turkey bacon, or maybe I'll have to bring > another stove and make turkey bacon just for me... > > I was thinking about french fries for this year but maybe I'll add some > fish to the menu instead. > > -Curt > > Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 8:32:59 -0500 > From: > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Curt Raymond > Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over > Message-ID: <20100129083259.97owh.731575.im...@eastrmwml38> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Curt, > Glad you had it done-we need you at Chowdah fest. Does this mean you'll be > taking Fred's favorite -bacon burgers- off the menu? > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Good start. There are all kinds of good ways to eat stuff that's good for you. Bob R On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > Bite your tongue! > > I will be making some lifestyle changes but eliminating meat isn't one of > them. I don't eat a ton of red meat now but when I do I'll shift to sirloin > from ribeye and trim my meat more carefully. I'll do more fish and veggies > too. > > -Curt > > Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:18:03 -0700 > From: Bob Rentfro > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over > Message-ID: > <2479e1691001290718s2fd54692xe4c3f2fded166...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Can't really do a vegan Chowda Fest, huh > > Bob R > > On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Curt Raymond > wrote: > > > Not a chance, we'll switch to turkey bacon, or maybe I'll have to bring > > another stove and make turkey bacon just for me... > > > > I was thinking about french fries for this year but maybe I'll add some > > fish to the menu instead. > > > > -Curt > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Bite your tongue! I will be making some lifestyle changes but eliminating meat isn't one of them. I don't eat a ton of red meat now but when I do I'll shift to sirloin from ribeye and trim my meat more carefully. I'll do more fish and veggies too. -Curt Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:18:03 -0700 From: Bob Rentfro To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over Message-ID: <2479e1691001290718s2fd54692xe4c3f2fded166...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Can't really do a vegan Chowda Fest, huh Bob R On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > Not a chance, we'll switch to turkey bacon, or maybe I'll have to bring > another stove and make turkey bacon just for me... > > I was thinking about french fries for this year but maybe I'll add some > fish to the menu instead. > > -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I just read of a study that found no correlation of saturated fat consumption to heart disease. http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/ajcn.2009.27725v1 Results: "Intake of saturated fat was not associated with an increased risk of CHD, stroke, or CVD." Now, this is a research abstract and NOT medical advice... but it is surprising to me because it is a direct contradiction to all the conventional wisdom of the last two or three decades. Allan On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 07:09 -0800, "Curt Raymond" wrote: > Not a chance, we'll switch to turkey bacon, or maybe I'll have to > bring another stove and make turkey bacon just for me... > > I was thinking about french fries for this year but maybe I'll add > some fish to the menu instead. > > -Curt > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Can't really do a vegan Chowda Fest, huh Bob R On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > Not a chance, we'll switch to turkey bacon, or maybe I'll have to bring > another stove and make turkey bacon just for me... > > I was thinking about french fries for this year but maybe I'll add some > fish to the menu instead. > > -Curt > > Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 8:32:59 -0500 > From: > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Curt Raymond > Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over > Message-ID: <20100129083259.97owh.731575.im...@eastrmwml38> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Curt, > Glad you had it done-we need you at Chowdah fest. Does this mean you'll be > taking Fred's favorite -bacon burgers- off the menu? > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sure, but you damage the heart muscle and that never recovers. You're more likely to have another heart attack too. Remember I'm 33 (well, 34 next week), if I were 50 I'd have a totally different opinion of this. At 33 I expect to live another 50, 60 or maybe even 70 years. Loss of some heart muscle now is gonna have a big effect on my chances later on. -Curt Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:20:49 + (UTC) From: pm7...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over Message-ID: <683910541.1107611264774849302.javamail.r...@sz0127a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 20 years ago Back in the day; The standard of care was as follows: You have chest pain, you don't die. You go to E.R., you don't die in 2 hours You are transferred to ICU, learned men come in and consult. Bitchy nurses make you use a bed pan. You don't die 3 days later they perform an angioplasty, you don't die. Today, if you have sudden onset of angina, plan on have a cardiac procedure THAT DAY. Why? They don't want you to die. -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: "Curt Raymond" To: "Diesel List" Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 8:37:53 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over Tell you what, I'm glad for the CT, without it I never would have gotten the cath and without either of them we'd have never known about the blockage until I had a heart attack... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not a chance, we'll switch to turkey bacon, or maybe I'll have to bring another stove and make turkey bacon just for me... I was thinking about french fries for this year but maybe I'll add some fish to the menu instead. -Curt Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 8:32:59 -0500 From: To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Curt Raymond Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over Message-ID: <20100129083259.97owh.731575.im...@eastrmwml38> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Curt, Glad you had it done-we need you at Chowdah fest. Does this mean you'll be taking Fred's favorite -bacon burgers- off the menu? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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20 years ago Back in the day; The standard of care was as follows: You have chest pain, you don't die. You go to E.R., you don't die in 2 hours You are transferred to ICU, learned men come in and consult. Bitchy nurses make you use a bed pan. You don't die 3 days later they perform an angioplasty, you don't die. Today, if you have sudden onset of angina, plan on have a cardiac procedure THAT DAY. Why? They don't want you to die. -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: "Curt Raymond" To: "Diesel List" Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 8:37:53 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over Tell you what, I'm glad for the CT, without it I never would have gotten the cath and without either of them we'd have never known about the blockage until I had a heart attack... -Curt Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:51:36 -0600 From: Peter Hertzing To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over Message-ID: <3a3393481001281451y5a3b8f0au3c94a18d10f73...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'll provide some incite. I am a hospital administrator. I work on the physician practice side. In our Emergency room 65% of ER visitors have a Cat Scan. Is it necessary - really no. It is medicine dictated by Lawyers. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Fred, I agree. Maybe turkey bacon? Dwight ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dwight. Curt's not that cruel! It's only once a year. Fred Moir Lynn MA On 1/29/2010 8:32 AM, degco...@cox.net wrote: Curt, Glad you had it done-we need you at Chowdah fest. Does this mean you'll be taking Fred's favorite -bacon burgers- off the menu? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Tell you what, I'm glad for the CT, without it I never would have gotten the cath and without either of them we'd have never known about the blockage until I had a heart attack... -Curt Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:51:36 -0600 From: Peter Hertzing To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over Message-ID: <3a3393481001281451y5a3b8f0au3c94a18d10f73...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'll provide some incite. I am a hospital administrator. I work on the physician practice side. In our Emergency room 65% of ER visitors have a Cat Scan. Is it necessary - really no. It is medicine dictated by Lawyers. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt, Glad you had it done-we need you at Chowdah fest. Does this mean you'll be taking Fred's favorite -bacon burgers- off the menu? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Next up on the home surgery network... I question big healthcare all the time and I'm certainly no friend of big pharma. That said I had bad blockages in 2 arteries, I saw them with my own eyes and I saw the blockages go away after the stents were put in. They would have stopped if I'd wanted them to and I could have come home yesterday but if I had I'd probably die within 5 years. Death is inevitable and I realize that none of us get out of here alive but at 33 I'm willing to try to put it off for a little while anyway. -Curt Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:05:07 -0600 From: "R A Bennell" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I don't know - DIY seems a bit iffy on things like this. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I read somewhere that malpractice insurance is less than 2% of healthcare costs - but I don't have any idea how much defensive medicene is costing. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Mountain Man wrote: > Peter wrote: > > While I don't know the figures, I suspect that if we > > removed all insurance companies, both malpractice and health ins. we > could > > all have resonably priced access to healthcare. > > Ah - thanks for that final sentence. > That has been my suspicion for a while. However, the news wants us to > think it is the uninsured that is driving cost up. They are nailing > the wrong demographic in their witch-hunt. I agree - abolish insco > and prices for reasonable and competent health care will be realized. > mao > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That not only hit the nail, it hit the nail right dead center on the head. Medical costs have been distorted by two things. You have all hear of the $5 bandaid, or $10 bandaid, or $20 bandaid. The problem is no the cost of the bandaid. We All know what they cost: a few cents. All the paper pushers required by the 3rd parties drive up the cost of delivery. 50 to 100 years ago, the local GP was paid in cash, eggs, a hog or what have you. He was not robbed by polititians half his earnings. Now for every MD, there are probably close to 10 paper pushers, maybe more if you count all the insurance co employees, and the gummit employees dedicated to watching that MD. The second factor is the proliferation of ambulance chasing shysters like john edwards. Every doctor now has to do banks of tests, not because they are needed for diagnosis, but because he not only has to cover his keester, but also the keesters of the clinic, the equipment manufacturers, the drug companies and ad infinitum. This adds who knows how much more cost? At least another 10 fold. So I would guess that of ever buck spent in the health care system, only one buffalo nickel goes to the actual cost of healthcare.We don't need more gummit in it, we need gummit and shysters out of it, and we need Medical savings accounts with rollover, so that nobody needs insurance companies. (that includes "HMO"s.) I want the relationship to be between me and the Doc. That is the way it was when I was a kid, and it worked well, and healthcare was NOT 1/6 of the GDP. Everyone could afford it. But don't think I don't have some choice things to say about the drug companies. I have chosen to spare us all from that pain. Suffice to say that they contribute also. Peter wrote: While I don't know the figures, I suspect that if we removed all insurance companies, both malpractice and health ins. we could all have resonably priced access to healthcare. Ah - thanks for that final sentence. That has been my suspicion for a while. However, the news wants us to think it is the uninsured that is driving cost up. They are nailing the wrong demographic in their witch-hunt. I agree - abolish insco and prices for reasonable and competent health care will be realized. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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--R wrote: > Definitely inciting. This warranted a very long thread on Banned with the > predictable outcome. Yes. Peter - your 4th word should be "insight" not "incite." mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Peter wrote: > While I don't know the figures, I suspect that if we > removed all insurance companies, both malpractice and health ins. we could > all have resonably priced access to healthcare. Ah - thanks for that final sentence. That has been my suspicion for a while. However, the news wants us to think it is the uninsured that is driving cost up. They are nailing the wrong demographic in their witch-hunt. I agree - abolish insco and prices for reasonable and competent health care will be realized. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Actually - your correct about CT and rad exposure, so much so that most well informed Cardiologists would rather do an angiogram the a CT of the chest, especially on women where breast cancer is a real issue. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:27 PM, John Reames wrote: > > WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot?!? > > This sounds like good marketing. You have 10-20 years to get a world-class > hem/onc center before your ER "frequent fliers" need it. > > Oh yeah, they will be suing over that too; I bet that some of the peeps > filing the suits are in the > anti-(carcinogen-found-in-lots-of-everyday-stuff) groupings... > > Isn't anyone there aware of the effects of cumulative radiation exposure? > It seems like (years ago), everyone was concerned over the radiation > exposure from a single chest xray, so much that "a chest xray" became a > layperson's unit of exposure. > > Does anyone bother to put the exposure [of a CT] scan in those terms? > Perhaps they can provide the (not insignificant) probability that the > radiation exposure from the scan will lead to a visit to an oncologist. > > (It isn't a big secret when you are given a lead codpiece by a person with > the title "radiologist", who happens to be wearing an exposure badge, but > I'm sure that some of the customers will swear up and down the aisles that > "How could they possibly know that a new-high-tech imaging thingamabob pumps > more radiation through them than old and dated xray imaging..." (or > something to that effect) > > Of course this should be put on the paperwork, preferrably in the forms > that peeps normally sign at check-in. > > > I'm not a medical professional. I just have a 3.5 yr old hepatoblastoma > survivor (in remission). > > BTW, what is the exposure of a full torso CT relative to a single plane > xray these days, assuming that the device doesn't have a botched > program/protocol like other computer controlled radiology stuff that makes > the news? > > I thought it was in the 100-400x range... > -- > John W Reames > jwrea...@comcast.net > Home: +14106646986 > Mobile: +14437915905 > > > On Jan 28, 2010, at 17:51, Peter Hertzing wrote: > > I'll provide some incite. I am a hospital administrator. I work on the >> physician practice side. In our Emergency room 65% of ER visitors have a >> Cat Scan. Is it necessary - really no. It is medicine dictated by >> Lawyers. The ER doc has to order a CT cause if the patient feels bad in >> 24 >> hours, instead of returning to our ER they go the the other hospitals ER, >> and get a CT cause if the symptoms have not dissipated in 24 hours, this >> is >> the standard of care. This may happen on 1/2 of 1 percent of the cases, >> but >> then the patient didn't get the "standard of treatment" at our hospital >> and >> sues. Even if the case is dismissed costs us 10K just the have the >> attorney >> write a couple of letters. That's whats wrong with our medical system and >> that is what drives the costs up through the roof. I hope Donald will >> provide some insight. I know he defends hospitals on cases like this. >> Often we are forced to settle out of court just to keep away from the >> expense of a trial. While I don't know the figures, I suspect that if we >> removed all insurance companies, both malpractice and health ins. we >> could >> all have resonably priced access to healthcare. >> >> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:05 PM, R A Bennell wrote: >> >> I don't know - DIY seems a bit iffy on things like this. >>> >>> Randy >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com >>> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Mountain Man >>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:34 PM >>> To: Mercedes Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over >>> >>> >>> --R wrote: >>> >>>> A friend (doctor no less) had a similar experience a coupla months ago a >>>> >>> day >>> >>>> or two after flying, swelling in the leg, soreness. Got to the ER and >>>> >>> they >>> >>>> found DVT, a day or so of treatment fixed him up. Not to be trifled >>>> >>> with. >>> >>> All these stories about how wonderful the medical practitioners are >>> that are all around us. >>> You know - you follow their lead, hook, line, and sinker as they say. >>> A converse of what is being said *could* also be true - but t
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WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot?!? This sounds like good marketing. You have 10-20 years to get a world- class hem/onc center before your ER "frequent fliers" need it. Oh yeah, they will be suing over that too; I bet that some of the peeps filing the suits are in the anti-(carcinogen-found-in-lots-of- everyday-stuff) groupings... Isn't anyone there aware of the effects of cumulative radiation exposure? It seems like (years ago), everyone was concerned over the radiation exposure from a single chest xray, so much that "a chest xray" became a layperson's unit of exposure. Does anyone bother to put the exposure [of a CT] scan in those terms? Perhaps they can provide the (not insignificant) probability that the radiation exposure from the scan will lead to a visit to an oncologist. (It isn't a big secret when you are given a lead codpiece by a person with the title "radiologist", who happens to be wearing an exposure badge, but I'm sure that some of the customers will swear up and down the aisles that "How could they possibly know that a new-high-tech imaging thingamabob pumps more radiation through them than old and dated xray imaging..." (or something to that effect) Of course this should be put on the paperwork, preferrably in the forms that peeps normally sign at check-in. I'm not a medical professional. I just have a 3.5 yr old hepatoblastoma survivor (in remission). BTW, what is the exposure of a full torso CT relative to a single plane xray these days, assuming that the device doesn't have a botched program/protocol like other computer controlled radiology stuff that makes the news? I thought it was in the 100-400x range... -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 28, 2010, at 17:51, Peter Hertzing wrote: I'll provide some incite. I am a hospital administrator. I work on the physician practice side. In our Emergency room 65% of ER visitors have a Cat Scan. Is it necessary - really no. It is medicine dictated by Lawyers. The ER doc has to order a CT cause if the patient feels bad in 24 hours, instead of returning to our ER they go the the other hospitals ER, and get a CT cause if the symptoms have not dissipated in 24 hours, this is the standard of care. This may happen on 1/2 of 1 percent of the cases, but then the patient didn't get the "standard of treatment" at our hospital and sues. Even if the case is dismissed costs us 10K just the have the attorney write a couple of letters. That's whats wrong with our medical system and that is what drives the costs up through the roof. I hope Donald will provide some insight. I know he defends hospitals on cases like this. Often we are forced to settle out of court just to keep away from the expense of a trial. While I don't know the figures, I suspect that if we removed all insurance companies, both malpractice and health ins. we could all have resonably priced access to healthcare. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:05 PM, R A Bennell wrote: I don't know - DIY seems a bit iffy on things like this. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Mountain Man Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:34 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over --R wrote: A friend (doctor no less) had a similar experience a coupla months ago a day or two after flying, swelling in the leg, soreness. Got to the ER and they found DVT, a day or so of treatment fixed him up. Not to be trifled with. All these stories about how wonderful the medical practitioners are that are all around us. You know - you follow their lead, hook, line, and sinker as they say. A converse of what is being said *could* also be true - but there is no court of inquiry alllowed - we all merely follow one train of thought to say - "...the doc saved my life..." I don't have a solution to this - but I do recognize it as a dilemma in our culture today. Not dis-similar to the auto mechanic "...you need ball joints or this car could be in the ditch 5 miles down the road..." Again, no court of inquiry is usually sought - i.e. second opinion. I am glad for all the "success" stories of near collapse with which we are comforting each other - but it seems there may be alternatives that could be found? alternative stories to be told. These procedures are not offered at insignificant cost - these are procedures I will never avail myself to - I don't have that sort of means, really. As long as we are all glad the Curt is back on his feet, although dizzy - we could entertain a rational mind game back and forth to see what else could be said about alternatives? or whatever. mao ___ http://www.okieb
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Yea. It does definitly create feelings in others. Most of the time as an admistrator I just sit back and watch. It is definitly a game to be played carefully. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Rich Thomas < richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote: > Definitely inciting. This warranted a very long thread on Banned with the > predictable outcome. > > --R > > > Peter Hertzing wrote: > >> I'll provide some incite. I am a hospital administrator. I work on the >> physician practice side. In our Emergency room 65% of ER visitors have a >> Cat Scan. Is it necessary - really no. It is medicine dictated by >> Lawyers. The ER doc has to order a CT cause if the patient feels bad in >> 24 >> hours, instead of returning to our ER they go the the other hospitals ER, >> and get a CT cause if the symptoms have not dissipated in 24 hours, this >> is >> the standard of care. This may happen on 1/2 of 1 percent of the cases, >> but >> then the patient didn't get the "standard of treatment" at our hospital >> and >> sues. Even if the case is dismissed costs us 10K just the have the >> attorney >> write a couple of letters. That's whats wrong with our medical system and >> that is what drives the costs up through the roof. I hope Donald will >> provide some insight. I know he defends hospitals on cases like this. >> Often we are forced to settle out of court just to keep away from the >> expense of a trial. While I don't know the figures, I suspect that if we >> removed all insurance companies, both malpractice and health ins. we >> could >> all have resonably priced access to healthcare. >> >> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:05 PM, R A Bennell wrote: >> >> >> >>> I don't know - DIY seems a bit iffy on things like this. >>> >>> Randy >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com >>> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Mountain Man >>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:34 PM >>> To: Mercedes Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over >>> >>> >>> --R wrote: >>> >>> >>>> A friend (doctor no less) had a similar experience a coupla months ago a >>>> >>>> >>> day >>> >>> >>>> or two after flying, swelling in the leg, soreness. Got to the ER and >>>> >>>> >>> they >>> >>> >>>> found DVT, a day or so of treatment fixed him up. Not to be trifled >>>> >>>> >>> with. >>> >>> All these stories about how wonderful the medical practitioners are >>> that are all around us. >>> You know - you follow their lead, hook, line, and sinker as they say. >>> A converse of what is being said *could* also be true - but there is >>> no court of inquiry alllowed - we all merely follow one train of >>> thought to say - "...the doc saved my life..." >>> >>> I don't have a solution to this - but I do recognize it as a dilemma >>> in our culture today. >>> Not dis-similar to the auto mechanic "...you need ball joints or this >>> car could be in the ditch 5 miles down the road..." Again, no court >>> of inquiry is usually sought - i.e. second opinion. >>> >>> I am glad for all the "success" stories of near collapse with which we >>> are comforting each other - but it seems there may be alternatives >>> that could be found? alternative stories to be told. These procedures >>> are not offered at insignificant cost - these are procedures I will >>> never avail myself to - I don't have that sort of means, really. >>> >>> As long as we are all glad the Curt is back on his feet, although >>> dizzy - we could entertain a rational mind game back and forth to see >>> what else could be said about alternatives? or whatever. >>> mao >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.o
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Definitely inciting. This warranted a very long thread on Banned with the predictable outcome. --R Peter Hertzing wrote: I'll provide some incite. I am a hospital administrator. I work on the physician practice side. In our Emergency room 65% of ER visitors have a Cat Scan. Is it necessary - really no. It is medicine dictated by Lawyers. The ER doc has to order a CT cause if the patient feels bad in 24 hours, instead of returning to our ER they go the the other hospitals ER, and get a CT cause if the symptoms have not dissipated in 24 hours, this is the standard of care. This may happen on 1/2 of 1 percent of the cases, but then the patient didn't get the "standard of treatment" at our hospital and sues. Even if the case is dismissed costs us 10K just the have the attorney write a couple of letters. That's whats wrong with our medical system and that is what drives the costs up through the roof. I hope Donald will provide some insight. I know he defends hospitals on cases like this. Often we are forced to settle out of court just to keep away from the expense of a trial. While I don't know the figures, I suspect that if we removed all insurance companies, both malpractice and health ins. we could all have resonably priced access to healthcare. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:05 PM, R A Bennell wrote: I don't know - DIY seems a bit iffy on things like this. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Mountain Man Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:34 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over --R wrote: A friend (doctor no less) had a similar experience a coupla months ago a day or two after flying, swelling in the leg, soreness. Got to the ER and they found DVT, a day or so of treatment fixed him up. Not to be trifled with. All these stories about how wonderful the medical practitioners are that are all around us. You know - you follow their lead, hook, line, and sinker as they say. A converse of what is being said *could* also be true - but there is no court of inquiry alllowed - we all merely follow one train of thought to say - "...the doc saved my life..." I don't have a solution to this - but I do recognize it as a dilemma in our culture today. Not dis-similar to the auto mechanic "...you need ball joints or this car could be in the ditch 5 miles down the road..." Again, no court of inquiry is usually sought - i.e. second opinion. I am glad for all the "success" stories of near collapse with which we are comforting each other - but it seems there may be alternatives that could be found? alternative stories to be told. These procedures are not offered at insignificant cost - these are procedures I will never avail myself to - I don't have that sort of means, really. As long as we are all glad the Curt is back on his feet, although dizzy - we could entertain a rational mind game back and forth to see what else could be said about alternatives? or whatever. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'll provide some incite. I am a hospital administrator. I work on the physician practice side. In our Emergency room 65% of ER visitors have a Cat Scan. Is it necessary - really no. It is medicine dictated by Lawyers. The ER doc has to order a CT cause if the patient feels bad in 24 hours, instead of returning to our ER they go the the other hospitals ER, and get a CT cause if the symptoms have not dissipated in 24 hours, this is the standard of care. This may happen on 1/2 of 1 percent of the cases, but then the patient didn't get the "standard of treatment" at our hospital and sues. Even if the case is dismissed costs us 10K just the have the attorney write a couple of letters. That's whats wrong with our medical system and that is what drives the costs up through the roof. I hope Donald will provide some insight. I know he defends hospitals on cases like this. Often we are forced to settle out of court just to keep away from the expense of a trial. While I don't know the figures, I suspect that if we removed all insurance companies, both malpractice and health ins. we could all have resonably priced access to healthcare. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:05 PM, R A Bennell wrote: > I don't know - DIY seems a bit iffy on things like this. > > Randy > > -Original Message- > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com > [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Mountain Man > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:34 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over > > > --R wrote: > > A friend (doctor no less) had a similar experience a coupla months ago a > day > > or two after flying, swelling in the leg, soreness. Got to the ER and > they > > found DVT, a day or so of treatment fixed him up. Not to be trifled > with. > > All these stories about how wonderful the medical practitioners are > that are all around us. > You know - you follow their lead, hook, line, and sinker as they say. > A converse of what is being said *could* also be true - but there is > no court of inquiry alllowed - we all merely follow one train of > thought to say - "...the doc saved my life..." > > I don't have a solution to this - but I do recognize it as a dilemma > in our culture today. > Not dis-similar to the auto mechanic "...you need ball joints or this > car could be in the ditch 5 miles down the road..." Again, no court > of inquiry is usually sought - i.e. second opinion. > > I am glad for all the "success" stories of near collapse with which we > are comforting each other - but it seems there may be alternatives > that could be found? alternative stories to be told. These procedures > are not offered at insignificant cost - these are procedures I will > never avail myself to - I don't have that sort of means, really. > > As long as we are all glad the Curt is back on his feet, although > dizzy - we could entertain a rational mind game back and forth to see > what else could be said about alternatives? or whatever. > mao > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I don't know - DIY seems a bit iffy on things like this. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Mountain Man Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:34 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] worst of its over --R wrote: > A friend (doctor no less) had a similar experience a coupla months ago a day > or two after flying, swelling in the leg, soreness. Got to the ER and they > found DVT, a day or so of treatment fixed him up. Not to be trifled with. All these stories about how wonderful the medical practitioners are that are all around us. You know - you follow their lead, hook, line, and sinker as they say. A converse of what is being said *could* also be true - but there is no court of inquiry alllowed - we all merely follow one train of thought to say - "...the doc saved my life..." I don't have a solution to this - but I do recognize it as a dilemma in our culture today. Not dis-similar to the auto mechanic "...you need ball joints or this car could be in the ditch 5 miles down the road..." Again, no court of inquiry is usually sought - i.e. second opinion. I am glad for all the "success" stories of near collapse with which we are comforting each other - but it seems there may be alternatives that could be found? alternative stories to be told. These procedures are not offered at insignificant cost - these are procedures I will never avail myself to - I don't have that sort of means, really. As long as we are all glad the Curt is back on his feet, although dizzy - we could entertain a rational mind game back and forth to see what else could be said about alternatives? or whatever. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] worst of its over
--R wrote: > A friend (doctor no less) had a similar experience a coupla months ago a day > or two after flying, swelling in the leg, soreness. Got to the ER and they > found DVT, a day or so of treatment fixed him up. Not to be trifled with. All these stories about how wonderful the medical practitioners are that are all around us. You know - you follow their lead, hook, line, and sinker as they say. A converse of what is being said *could* also be true - but there is no court of inquiry alllowed - we all merely follow one train of thought to say - "...the doc saved my life..." I don't have a solution to this - but I do recognize it as a dilemma in our culture today. Not dis-similar to the auto mechanic "...you need ball joints or this car could be in the ditch 5 miles down the road..." Again, no court of inquiry is usually sought - i.e. second opinion. I am glad for all the "success" stories of near collapse with which we are comforting each other - but it seems there may be alternatives that could be found? alternative stories to be told. These procedures are not offered at insignificant cost - these are procedures I will never avail myself to - I don't have that sort of means, really. As long as we are all glad the Curt is back on his feet, although dizzy - we could entertain a rational mind game back and forth to see what else could be said about alternatives? or whatever. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt. Live long and prosper. Fred Moir Lynn MA On 1/27/2010 7:50 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: So its done, 3 stents in 2 different places. If it weren't for the pain in my leg and that I get dizzy quick I'd be outta here now. Thanks for all the kind words you lot. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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One can have the opposite too. A client suffered an aneurism in his leg and ended up in intensive care for a month and with his leg amputated. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of tom tomscat Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:40 PM To: mercedes diesel Subject: [MBZ] worst of its over Hi Curt, Welcome back, glad to see you back in circulation, no pun intended. The lesson here is if you feel a pain or something unusual... get it checked out. I just went thru a similar thing at the end of December... had a nagging pain in my leg, like a charley horse. It hung around for weeks, coming and going, and moving to different parts of my leg. I mostly ignored it, thinking it was just normal aches and pains from stuff I was doing. I justified it by thinking I overdid the snow shovelling last month, etc etc. Finally my wife and I decided to look up the symptoms on the internet, and discovered something called DVT: Deep Vein Thrombosis a blood clot. So I called my doctor, to get an appointment, and he told me to get to the Emergency Room NOW. Dont wait another minute. Sheesh. So I did, and sure enough they found a clot behind my knee. I am on blood thinners for a while, and hopefully it will diminish. The ER Doc made a comment that I was "lucky that I felt the pain and responded. Do you know when we usually find the blood clots? At the autopsy." :) I had no idea that this pain could have been caused by a clot, nor any idea how one gets clots. But I got one. The danger is that if the clot gets above the knee, it can journey to the heart and the lungs, and things can get real serious real fast. I was lucky, but it was a close call. So for anyone else out there with a peculiar pain, particularly in the leg, get it checked. You never know. I look forward to seeing back at the ChowdahQ! Tom Schuch SE Connecticut Message: 11 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:50:14 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Raymond To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] worst of its over Message-ID: <461330.86358...@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So its done, 3 stents in 2 different places. If it weren't for the pain in my leg and that I get dizzy quick I'd be outta here now. Thanks for all the kind words you lot. -Curt _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A friend (doctor no less) had a similar experience a coupla months ago a day or two after flying, swelling in the leg, soreness. Got to the ER and they found DVT, a day or so of treatment fixed him up. Not to be trifled with. --R Peter Frederick wrote: Leg pain that feels like a cramp along with swelling means get to the ER fast. My mother did this a few years back while visiting my sister. I called to see how things were and she said her leg was bothering her, felt like a charlie horse starting the day before and it was swollen. I got my sister on the phone and told her to get Mom to the ER AT ONCE, don't play around, she has a clot,. Sure enough she did -- I should have gone to medical school when I was young, I suppose. I'd rather spend the time and $ to find out I was OK than end up with a massive stroke or pulmonary thrombosis -- I can earn more money if I'm still alive! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Leg pain that feels like a cramp along with swelling means get to the ER fast. My mother did this a few years back while visiting my sister. I called to see how things were and she said her leg was bothering her, felt like a charlie horse starting the day before and it was swollen. I got my sister on the phone and told her to get Mom to the ER AT ONCE, don't play around, she has a clot,. Sure enough she did -- I should have gone to medical school when I was young, I suppose. I'd rather spend the time and $ to find out I was OK than end up with a massive stroke or pulmonary thrombosis -- I can earn more money if I'm still alive! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] worst of its over
Hi Curt, Welcome back, glad to see you back in circulation, no pun intended. The lesson here is if you feel a pain or something unusual... get it checked out. I just went thru a similar thing at the end of December... had a nagging pain in my leg, like a charley horse. It hung around for weeks, coming and going, and moving to different parts of my leg. I mostly ignored it, thinking it was just normal aches and pains from stuff I was doing. I justified it by thinking I overdid the snow shovelling last month, etc etc. Finally my wife and I decided to look up the symptoms on the internet, and discovered something called DVT: Deep Vein Thrombosis a blood clot. So I called my doctor, to get an appointment, and he told me to get to the Emergency Room NOW. Dont wait another minute. Sheesh. So I did, and sure enough they found a clot behind my knee. I am on blood thinners for a while, and hopefully it will diminish. The ER Doc made a comment that I was "lucky that I felt the pain and responded. Do you know when we usually find the blood clots? At the autopsy." :) I had no idea that this pain could have been caused by a clot, nor any idea how one gets clots. But I got one. The danger is that if the clot gets above the knee, it can journey to the heart and the lungs, and things can get real serious real fast. I was lucky, but it was a close call. So for anyone else out there with a peculiar pain, particularly in the leg, get it checked. You never know. I look forward to seeing back at the ChowdahQ! Tom Schuch SE Connecticut Message: 11 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:50:14 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Raymond To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] worst of its over Message-ID: <461330.86358...@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So its done, 3 stents in 2 different places. If it weren't for the pain in my leg and that I get dizzy quick I'd be outta here now. Thanks for all the kind words you lot. -Curt _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] worst of its over
If Cathey had that done, we'd have a web log and 47 photos by now. Take care of yourself, pal. Bob R On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > So its done, 3 stents in 2 different places. > > If it weren't for the pain in my leg and that I get dizzy quick I'd be > outta here now. > > Thanks for all the kind words you lot. > > -Curt > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] worst of its over
Good to hear, wishing you a speedy recovery. Allan -- 1983 300D Curt Raymond writes: > So its done, 3 stents in 2 different places. > > If it weren't for the pain in my leg and that I get dizzy quick I'd be outta > here now. > > Thanks for all the kind words you lot. > > -Curt > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] worst of its over
Curt, That's great-now you can diagnose the brake booster problem on your 240D tomorrow. Take good care. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 7:50 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] worst of its over So its done, 3 stents in 2 different places. If it weren't for the pain in my leg and that I get dizzy quick I'd be outta here now. Thanks for all the kind words you lot. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] worst of its over
So its done, 3 stents in 2 different places. If it weren't for the pain in my leg and that I get dizzy quick I'd be outta here now. Thanks for all the kind words you lot. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
