Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
I used a 6mm 1/4hex drive bit and a u-joint. Luther OK Don wrote: It's more the principle of the matter - that the enginelooks complete now, after being apart all summer. If you're referring to the lower manifold to head bolts, I solved that one years ago on the SDL - use a 1/4 socket set, cut a 6mm Allen wrench to get a piece to make a bit that fits in the 6mm socket for the 1/4 drive set. Use an extension - and some blue locktite to hold the bit in the socket. Fits like a charm. Post your tool pics - we'd all like to see. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
My HF compression tester had a fitting for OM 60x injector At 08:22 PM 8/27/2008, you wrote: Well, crap - I was planning to use my Harbor Freight compression tester in the injector holes - some of those glow plug holes are near to impossible to get that fitting into with the intake manifold on. The kit's full of fittings, you saying there isn't one for those injectors? (The intake manifold doesn't come off all that hard, btw.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
For the 603 intake bolts, I bought a smap-on long 6mm all en socket balldriver. Allows the allen to go in the bolt at an angle. Works great! I have not broken the ball off yet. At 09:15 AM 8/28/2008, you wrote: OK Don wrote: (We JUST got the intake manifold back on - it almost hurts my son to think about taking it off again.) If you make the right tool it is a walk in the park. On my 2.5T I couldn't remove the manifold at all without it. When I replaced the delivery valves a month or so ago, I took the manifold off, replaced the delivery valve seals (no more leaks!!) and put the manifold back on in ~5 hours. Took me three days to get the manifold off of the '87 300TD without the tool. Haven't had the chance to work on that car lately though. If you want pics of the tool I made let me know, and I'll post them to the list. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
OK Don wrote: (We JUST got the intake manifold back on - it almost hurts my son to think about taking it off again.) If you make the right tool it is a walk in the park. On my 2.5T I couldn't remove the manifold at all without it. When I replaced the delivery valves a month or so ago, I took the manifold off, replaced the delivery valve seals (no more leaks!!) and put the manifold back on in ~5 hours. Took me three days to get the manifold off of the '87 300TD without the tool. Haven't had the chance to work on that car lately though. If you want pics of the tool I made let me know, and I'll post them to the list. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
John Robbins wrote: If you want pics of the tool I made let me know, and I'll post them to the list. Tools are good. Let's see what you made. Seems like for glow plugs Marshall recommended the Snap-On socket with built in ball joint swivel. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
yea, post them John Robbins wrote: OK Don wrote: (We JUST got the intake manifold back on - it almost hurts my son to think about taking it off again.) If you make the right tool it is a walk in the park. On my 2.5T I couldn't remove the manifold at all without it. When I replaced the delivery valves a month or so ago, I took the manifold off, replaced the delivery valve seals (no more leaks!!) and put the manifold back on in ~5 hours. Took me three days to get the manifold off of the '87 300TD without the tool. Haven't had the chance to work on that car lately though. If you want pics of the tool I made let me know, and I'll post them to the list. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.10/1638 - Release Date: 8/27/2008 7:06 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
It's more the principle of the matter - that the enginelooks complete now, after being apart all summer. If you're referring to the lower manifold to head bolts, I solved that one years ago on the SDL - use a 1/4 socket set, cut a 6mm Allen wrench to get a piece to make a bit that fits in the 6mm socket for the 1/4 drive set. Use an extension - and some blue locktite to hold the bit in the socket. Fits like a charm. Post your tool pics - we'd all like to see. On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 9:15 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK Don wrote: (We JUST got the intake manifold back on - it almost hurts my son to think about taking it off again.) If you make the right tool it is a walk in the park. On my 2.5T I couldn't remove the manifold at all without it. When I replaced the delivery valves a month or so ago, I took the manifold off, replaced the delivery valve seals (no more leaks!!) and put the manifold back on in ~5 hours. Took me three days to get the manifold off of the '87 300TD without the tool. Haven't had the chance to work on that car lately though. If you want pics of the tool I made let me know, and I'll post them to the list. John -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
If you're referring to the lower manifold to head bolts, I solved that one years ago on the SDL - use a 1/4 socket set That was the secret to getting the carbs out of my Merc 850. That little socket and skinny shaft just slipped right in there. I outfitted the boat toolkit with 1/4 sockets in all the sizes it uses, and a Craftsman ratchet and a few lengths of extension so that I'd always have the right-fitting tool. Nothing like working over water with zero depth to your tool and engine parts collection. (I also put a fishing magnet in the kit.) My 1/4 socket tool collection is thin, I need to beef it up. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
A matched set of 617 cost my dad $250. I can get a quote or give you the number if you like. Luther Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Luther has a bosch guy who rebuilds pumps good, I assume he does injectors also. Which reminds me, I spent all that money rebuilding the IP on my 2.5 turbo and now you have it. Great. OK Don wrote: #1 is burnt - the center ring is about to fall off. #3 is heavily carboned - on both sides. #6 is pancaked - towards turning in-side out. The others all look good. #2 for certain is missing, 1 and 3 are to a lesser extent. The search for an new injector re-builder is on (my old one died a few years ago). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
I was going to get into rebuilding injectors a while back - I still have the tester. I stopped because more often than not, injectors are replaced to solve other issues and I did not want to get into the Customer Your injectors don't work Me: Must be somewhere else, the injectors tested calibrated fine on the bench Customer: I want my money back conversations. Order new ones from Rusty. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luther Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:38 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update A matched set of 617 cost my dad $250. I can get a quote or give you the number if you like. Luther Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Luther has a bosch guy who rebuilds pumps good, I assume he does injectors also. Which reminds me, I spent all that money rebuilding the IP on my 2.5 turbo and now you have it. Great. OK Don wrote: #1 is burnt - the center ring is about to fall off. #3 is heavily carboned - on both sides. #6 is pancaked - towards turning in-side out. The others all look good. #2 for certain is missing, 1 and 3 are to a lesser extent. The search for an new injector re-builder is on (my old one died a few years ago). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1636 - Release Date: 8/26/2008 7:09 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1636 - Release Date: 8/26/2008 7:09 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
Well, crap - I was planning to use my Harbor Freight compression tester in the injector holes - some of those glow plug holes are near to impossible to get that fitting into with the intake manifold on. On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 10:53 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just know my compression tester fitting for 617 via injector hole will not work on 60x injectors, have to use glow plug hole. SO I assume the threads are different -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
Yes - I'd like a quote to test, and repair if neccesary, 6 injectors for 603.95 engine On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:37 AM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A matched set of 617 cost my dad $250. I can get a quote or give you the number if you like. Luther -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
http://www.arkansasfuelinjection.com/ Ask for Scott. As for shipping, you can save shipping at least one way Luther OK Don wrote: Yes - I'd like a quote to test, and repair if neccesary, 6 injectors for 603.95 engine On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:37 AM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A matched set of 617 cost my dad $250. I can get a quote or give you the number if you like. Luther ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
Dad says to ship them to us and we'll bring them back next week... Luther wrote: http://www.arkansasfuelinjection.com/ Ask for Scott. As for shipping, you can save shipping at least one way Luther OK Don wrote: Yes - I'd like a quote to test, and repair if neccesary, 6 injectors for 603.95 engine On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:37 AM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A matched set of 617 cost my dad $250. I can get a quote or give you the number if you like. Luther ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
Well, crap - I was planning to use my Harbor Freight compression tester in the injector holes - some of those glow plug holes are near to impossible to get that fitting into with the intake manifold on. The kit's full of fittings, you saying there isn't one for those injectors? (The intake manifold doesn't come off all that hard, btw.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
I need to get a spare injector for these engines - too many unanswered questions here. (We JUST got the intake manifold back on - it almost hurts my son to think about taking it off again.) The kit's full of fittings, you saying there isn't one for those injectors? (The intake manifold doesn't come off all that hard, btw.) -- Jim -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
We'll call them and see what they say --- On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:06 PM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dad says to ship them to us and we'll bring them back next week... Luther wrote: http://www.arkansasfuelinjection.com/ Ask for Scott. As for shipping, you can save shipping at least one way Luther -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
I wonder how injectors from a 617 NA or 616 engine would run in the 603? I have a few of those that I could easily swap for a test --- I also remember that the heat shields/seals below the injectors were burnt and deformed in two of the cyl. when we disassembled the engine - probably another sign of bad injectors? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
OK Don wrote: I wonder how injectors from a 617 NA or 616 engine would run in the 603? I have a few of those that I could easily swap for a test --- They'll fit, but have different pop pressures and a different pintle design. They would work great for testing, but you'll get better performance out of the most recent nozzle design (I think they've gone to an even newer design since '87. I'm pretty sure that design is retroactive across all the diesels. I also remember that the heat shields/seals below the injectors were burnt and deformed in two of the cyl. when we disassembled the engine - probably another sign of bad injectors? Sounds like a worthy reason to change injectors to me. Were the insides of the prechambers in good shape? I'd make sure the little ball in the center isn't loose or in danger of coming loose in the near future. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
Could also be a sign of excessive oil ingestion. Which were they, do you remember? You should probably pull all six injectors and have an injection shop check them. A bad nozzle (squirts instead of spraying fog, for instance) will cause excessive knock, white smoke, and poor fuel economy. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
#1 is burnt - the center ring is about to fall off. #3 is heavily carboned - on both sides. #6 is pancaked - towards turning in-side out. The others all look good. #2 for certain is missing, 1 and 3 are to a lesser extent. The search for an new injector re-builder is on (my old one died a few years ago). On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could also be a sign of excessive oil ingestion. Which were they, do you remember? You should probably pull all six injectors and have an injection shop check them. A bad nozzle (squirts instead of spraying fog, for instance) will cause excessive knock, white smoke, and poor fuel economy. Peter -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
The insides of the per-chambers all looked OK. The older injector swap would be only for diagnostic purposes, though I'm still not sure if they are significantly different how much they'll tell us. On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 8:21 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK Don wrote: I wonder how injectors from a 617 NA or 616 engine would run in the 603? I have a few of those that I could easily swap for a test --- They'll fit, but have different pop pressures and a different pintle design. They would work great for testing, but you'll get better performance out of the most recent nozzle design (I think they've gone to an even newer design since '87. I'm pretty sure that design is retroactive across all the diesels. I also remember that the heat shields/seals below the injectors were burnt and deformed in two of the cyl. when we disassembled the engine - probably another sign of bad injectors? Sounds like a worthy reason to change injectors to me. Were the insides of the prechambers in good shape? I'd make sure the little ball in the center isn't loose or in danger of coming loose in the near future. John -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
Luther has a bosch guy who rebuilds pumps good, I assume he does injectors also. Which reminds me, I spent all that money rebuilding the IP on my 2.5 turbo and now you have it. Great. OK Don wrote: #1 is burnt - the center ring is about to fall off. #3 is heavily carboned - on both sides. #6 is pancaked - towards turning in-side out. The others all look good. #2 for certain is missing, 1 and 3 are to a lesser extent. The search for an new injector re-builder is on (my old one died a few years ago). On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could also be a sign of excessive oil ingestion. Which were they, do you remember? You should probably pull all six injectors and have an injection shop check them. A bad nozzle (squirts instead of spraying fog, for instance) will cause excessive knock, white smoke, and poor fuel economy. Peter -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
It wont work, the threads are different, they will not thread into the holes IIRC. OK Don wrote: The insides of the per-chambers all looked OK. The older injector swap would be only for diagnostic purposes, though I'm still not sure if they are significantly different how much they'll tell us. On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 8:21 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK Don wrote: I wonder how injectors from a 617 NA or 616 engine would run in the 603? I have a few of those that I could easily swap for a test --- They'll fit, but have different pop pressures and a different pintle design. They would work great for testing, but you'll get better performance out of the most recent nozzle design (I think they've gone to an even newer design since '87. I'm pretty sure that design is retroactive across all the diesels. I also remember that the heat shields/seals below the injectors were burnt and deformed in two of the cyl. when we disassembled the engine - probably another sign of bad injectors? Sounds like a worthy reason to change injectors to me. Were the insides of the prechambers in good shape? I'd make sure the little ball in the center isn't loose or in danger of coming loose in the near future. John -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
Why do you think I bought it? It gets great mileage also :-) The tires were coming apart - the ride/handling is great with the new Kuhmos. Which reminds me, I spent all that money rebuilding the IP on my 2.5 turbo and now you have it. Great. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
I think the injectors in the 602, post 1990, are shorter than the '87 603 injectors. Would they likely fit otherwise? On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It wont work, the threads are different, they will not thread into the holes IIRC. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
I just know my compression tester fitting for 617 via injector hole will not work on 60x injectors, have to use glow plug hole. SO I assume the threads are different OK Don wrote: I think the injectors in the 602, post 1990, are shorter than the '87 603 injectors. Would they likely fit otherwise? On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It wont work, the threads are different, they will not thread into the holes IIRC. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
Yes, but you won't mistake the lifter clank for anything else! Peter On Aug 24, 2008, at 10:14 PM, OK Don wrote: I figured a compression test was among the next steps. We've never had coolant pressure problems - still don't. Good catch - we'll swap #2 injector with another one and see if the missing follows it. Would a sticky/faulty cam follower do the same thing? On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you do a compression test? Low compression will give you white smoke at idle and cold, black under load. You should also have the injectors checked, a bad one will do the same thing. Quick and dirty check is to swap #2 with another one -- if the problem follows the injector, it's bad. You will have start up white smoke and terrible injector noise for a while, until the carbon builds up on the head again. This takes a while, mine clanked badly for a couple days. Check for coolant pressure cold, too -- the cracks in a 603 head are not always obvious (the one I put back on was bad, but I didn't SEE anything. Pressurized instantly, though). Peter -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
Don;t think it would stop smoking and sound good after it was hot. On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 10:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you sure its not the bottom end? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
Probably true --- On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but you won't mistake the lifter clank for anything else! Peter On Aug 24, 2008, at 10:14 PM, OK Don wrote: I figured a compression test was among the next steps. We've never had coolant pressure problems - still don't. Good catch - we'll swap #2 injector with another one and see if the missing follows it. Would a sticky/faulty cam follower do the same thing? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
Did you do a compression test? Low compression will give you white smoke at idle and cold, black under load. You should also have the injectors checked, a bad one will do the same thing. Quick and dirty check is to swap #2 with another one -- if the problem follows the injector, it's bad. You will have start up white smoke and terrible injector noise for a while, until the carbon builds up on the head again. This takes a while, mine clanked badly for a couple days. Check for coolant pressure cold, too -- the cracks in a 603 head are not always obvious (the one I put back on was bad, but I didn't SEE anything. Pressurized instantly, though). Peter On Aug 24, 2008, at 8:51 PM, OK Don wrote: This is the car that my son bought from a friend of ours, who got it from Kaleb. It was idling rough, and blowing whitish smoke before it got up to temp. Among other things, we found low compression in cylinder 1. Pulled the head (a #17), saw the massive leak from #1 to the timing chain vault, and sent the head to a local machine shop. Turns out that the shop now only builds racing engines, but took our job since the head guy was idle at the time. it took them two months to finish the head. We got everything installed and hooked up this afternoon, filled it with coolant, and tried to start it. The battery was dead. Swaped in a good battery. Left the injection line fittings at the injectors loose, cranked it till fuel came out, tightened them down. It started firing on the first cylinder I tightened - was running by the time I got the fourth one tight. I finished all of the injection lines, but it didn't really even out like I thought it should have. Let it idle for quite awhile, it blew white smoke the whole time (there are plenty of mosquitos, so I didn't mind the smoke). I wnet down the line from #6 towards #1, loosing the injection lines, to see which cyl. was missing. I heard/felt no difference when I loosened #2. We let it cool down, checked the coolant level (added a little), then started it again - it started on probably the second compression stroke. Went for a drive - it blew plenty of white smoke in the neighborhood. We took it out an arterial road - drove around section line roads - 4 miles worth, with lots of floor board accelerations. It ran smoother to longer we drove it. The white smoke stopped. Took it home, no smoke. Let it cool while we cooked, then ate dinner. Son went out after dinner - it's idling rough again, and blowing white smoke. Crap! So - I'm thinking injectors, or a bad cam follower. As a side note, the machine shop did nick the upper edge of three of the cam follower bores - had to scrape out the aluminum nicks to get the followers into the bores. Any guesses here? The head was without any signs of cracks, was milled to MB specs, got new valve guides and the valves lapped. A couple of the pre-chambers were pretty carboned up, but they weren't burnt like some I've seen. It has all new glow plugs, fuel lines, seals in the lift pump, fuel thermostat, etc. Anyone BTDT -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
I figured a compression test was among the next steps. We've never had coolant pressure problems - still don't. Good catch - we'll swap #2 injector with another one and see if the missing follows it. Would a sticky/faulty cam follower do the same thing? On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you do a compression test? Low compression will give you white smoke at idle and cold, black under load. You should also have the injectors checked, a bad one will do the same thing. Quick and dirty check is to swap #2 with another one -- if the problem follows the injector, it's bad. You will have start up white smoke and terrible injector noise for a while, until the carbon builds up on the head again. This takes a while, mine clanked badly for a couple days. Check for coolant pressure cold, too -- the cracks in a 603 head are not always obvious (the one I put back on was bad, but I didn't SEE anything. Pressurized instantly, though). Peter -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300D head job update
you sure its not the bottom end? OK Don wrote: This is the car that my son bought from a friend of ours, who got it from Kaleb. It was idling rough, and blowing whitish smoke before it got up to temp. Among other things, we found low compression in cylinder 1. Pulled the head (a #17), saw the massive leak from #1 to the timing chain vault, and sent the head to a local machine shop. Turns out that the shop now only builds racing engines, but took our job since the head guy was idle at the time. it took them two months to finish the head. We got everything installed and hooked up this afternoon, filled it with coolant, and tried to start it. The battery was dead. Swaped in a good battery. Left the injection line fittings at the injectors loose, cranked it till fuel came out, tightened them down. It started firing on the first cylinder I tightened - was running by the time I got the fourth one tight. I finished all of the injection lines, but it didn't really even out like I thought it should have. Let it idle for quite awhile, it blew white smoke the whole time (there are plenty of mosquitos, so I didn't mind the smoke). I wnet down the line from #6 towards #1, loosing the injection lines, to see which cyl. was missing. I heard/felt no difference when I loosened #2. We let it cool down, checked the coolant level (added a little), then started it again - it started on probably the second compression stroke. Went for a drive - it blew plenty of white smoke in the neighborhood. We took it out an arterial road - drove around section line roads - 4 miles worth, with lots of floor board accelerations. It ran smoother to longer we drove it. The white smoke stopped. Took it home, no smoke. Let it cool while we cooked, then ate dinner. Son went out after dinner - it's idling rough again, and blowing white smoke. Crap! So - I'm thinking injectors, or a bad cam follower. As a side note, the machine shop did nick the upper edge of three of the cam follower bores - had to scrape out the aluminum nicks to get the followers into the bores. Any guesses here? The head was without any signs of cracks, was milled to MB specs, got new valve guides and the valves lapped. A couple of the pre-chambers were pretty carboned up, but they weren't burnt like some I've seen. It has all new glow plugs, fuel lines, seals in the lift pump, fuel thermostat, etc. Anyone BTDT -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
