Re: [MBZ] “Special” Battery?
I drove a 5 speed diesel Hyundai Atos in France. Fuel economy was over 50 mpg equivalent. On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 6:58 AM mitch--- via Mercedes wrote: > On 2022-09-26 22:54, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2022, at 17:05, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote: > >> The old 1.6L Rabbit diesel was said to burn a pint per hour, so a > >> modern > >> GDI engine is about twice as thirsty as a 40 year old diesel. > > > > But the old Rabbit diesel had about 40HP (when new) or so? > > Somewhere around 40-50 I think. > Cruze has bearings sized for 153hp. And it gets 50mpg at a steady 55mph, > in a car considerably wider and 50% heavier than a first gen Rabbit. I > think a 4sp Rabbit got about 50 highway, on fuel with a higher energy > content. 1.6L Diesel Cruze (137hp) will do 70+mpg if you drive 55. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] “Special” Battery?
On 2022-09-26 22:54, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: On Mon, Sep 26, 2022, at 17:05, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote: The old 1.6L Rabbit diesel was said to burn a pint per hour, so a modern GDI engine is about twice as thirsty as a 40 year old diesel. But the old Rabbit diesel had about 40HP (when new) or so? Somewhere around 40-50 I think. Cruze has bearings sized for 153hp. And it gets 50mpg at a steady 55mph, in a car considerably wider and 50% heavier than a first gen Rabbit. I think a 4sp Rabbit got about 50 highway, on fuel with a higher energy content. 1.6L Diesel Cruze (137hp) will do 70+mpg if you drive 55. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] “Special” Battery?
On Mon, Sep 26, 2022, at 17:05, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote: > The old 1.6L Rabbit diesel was said to burn a pint per hour, so a modern > GDI engine is about twice as thirsty as a 40 year old diesel. But the old Rabbit diesel had about 40HP (when new) or so? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] “Special” Battery?
On 2022-09-26 13:58, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: For fun, I left it enabled this entire trip. 14 days, 3850 miles. The car shut itself off for 23 minutes, approximately, and saved a reported 0.195 gallons of fuel. How big is the engine? A 1.4L Cruze runs about .25-.28 gallons per hour, or closer to .35 GPH if the A/C is running. The old 1.6L Rabbit diesel was said to burn a pint per hour, so a modern GDI engine is about twice as thirsty as a 40 year old diesel. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] “Special” Battery?
You don't think the MB engineers took the extra starting cycles into
account when they spec'd out the starter? I do.
On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 3:54 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> The service rep at the dealership said there is a separate battery in the
> Bluetec models that handles this feature ("Ecostart"), so the main battery
> is unaffected. Not sure how all this extra work affects (degrades) the
> starter...
>
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 4:24 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > That was kind of my thought, but with engine management controls the way
> > they are nowadays I would think it might be minimal compared to the “good
> > ‘ol days” of carburetion.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On Sep 26, 2022, at 3:51 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Wouldn't you also expect emissions to be higher immediately upon start
> > up than they are once the engine has run for a bit?
> > >
> > > Randy
> > >
> > >
> > > On 26/09/2022 2:46 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> > >>> I suspect that the emissions are harder to limit when the engine is
> > idling,
> > >>
> > >> Of course, that term is a bit of a misnomer. Idling? Really?
> > >> Let's see what it is still doing while 'idling':
> > >>
> > >> Recharging the battery
> > >> Running the AC, and/or the heat
> > >> Running the lights
> > >> Running the interior accessories, seat heaters, etc.
> > >>
> > >> Every thing but driving the wheels. Idle, my ass.
> > >>
> > >> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] “Special” Battery?
OK - running at the lowest RPM On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 2:46 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > I suspect that the emissions are harder to limit when the engine is > idling, > > > Of course, that term is a bit of a misnomer. Idling? Really? > Let's see what it is still doing while 'idling': > > Recharging the battery > Running the AC, and/or the heat > Running the lights > Running the interior accessories, seat heaters, etc. > > Every thing but driving the wheels. Idle, my ass. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you are wearing." "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] “Special” Battery?
The service rep at the dealership said there is a separate battery in the
Bluetec models that handles this feature ("Ecostart"), so the main battery
is unaffected. Not sure how all this extra work affects (degrades) the
starter...
On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 4:24 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> That was kind of my thought, but with engine management controls the way
> they are nowadays I would think it might be minimal compared to the “good
> ‘ol days” of carburetion.
>
> -D
>
> > On Sep 26, 2022, at 3:51 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Wouldn't you also expect emissions to be higher immediately upon start
> up than they are once the engine has run for a bit?
> >
> > Randy
> >
> >
> > On 26/09/2022 2:46 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> I suspect that the emissions are harder to limit when the engine is
> idling,
> >>
> >> Of course, that term is a bit of a misnomer. Idling? Really?
> >> Let's see what it is still doing while 'idling':
> >>
> >> Recharging the battery
> >> Running the AC, and/or the heat
> >> Running the lights
> >> Running the interior accessories, seat heaters, etc.
> >>
> >> Every thing but driving the wheels. Idle, my ass.
> >>
> >> -- Jim
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] “Special” Battery?
That was kind of my thought, but with engine management controls the way they are nowadays I would think it might be minimal compared to the “good ‘ol days” of carburetion. -D > On Sep 26, 2022, at 3:51 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Wouldn't you also expect emissions to be higher immediately upon start up > than they are once the engine has run for a bit? > > Randy > > > On 26/09/2022 2:46 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: >>> I suspect that the emissions are harder to limit when the engine is idling, >> >> Of course, that term is a bit of a misnomer. Idling? Really? >> Let's see what it is still doing while 'idling': >> >> Recharging the battery >> Running the AC, and/or the heat >> Running the lights >> Running the interior accessories, seat heaters, etc. >> >> Every thing but driving the wheels. Idle, my ass. >> >> -- Jim >> >> >> ___ >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] “Special” Battery?
Wouldn't you also expect emissions to be higher immediately upon start up than they are once the engine has run for a bit? Randy On 26/09/2022 2:46 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: I suspect that the emissions are harder to limit when the engine is idling, Of course, that term is a bit of a misnomer. Idling? Really? Let's see what it is still doing while 'idling': Recharging the battery Running the AC, and/or the heat Running the lights Running the interior accessories, seat heaters, etc. Every thing but driving the wheels. Idle, my ass. -- Jim ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] “Special” Battery?
> I suspect that the emissions are harder to limit when the engine is idling, Of course, that term is a bit of a misnomer. Idling? Really? Let's see what it is still doing while 'idling': Recharging the battery Running the AC, and/or the heat Running the lights Running the interior accessories, seat heaters, etc. Every thing but driving the wheels. Idle, my ass. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] “Special” Battery?
We had a rental car a couple of years ago that had the auto stop and start feature. It was a Chevy Malibu if my memory serves to be correct. It was actually very seamless. I didn't realize it was doing it for a time. Stop at a light and the motor would shut off. Lift your foot off the brake and it would start and be running ready to go before I had my foot back on the gas pedal. I see no point to it and assume it would put a lot of strain on various components but I was amazed at how smooth it was. Of course, we are talking about a new vehicle with hardly any miles on it. Who knows what it would be like as it got older? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] “Special” Battery?
> I suspect that the emissions are harder to limit when the engine is idling, so that's why they shut off - not to save gas. The government passing laws to help. "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help." "I'm from the government, and I'm not happy until you're not happy." Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] “Special” Battery?
> Wow! That kind of savings sure justifies the wear and tear on the starter, > doesn’t it? (snark) For something like the Prius (?) this technology makes some sense. The starter/motor is large, and direct drive. (No gears.) Very little to wear, in other words, and with a truly massive battery behind it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] “Special” Battery?
Wow! That kind of savings sure justifies the wear and tear on the starter, doesn’t it? (snark) -D > On Sep 26, 2022, at 1:59 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: > > For fun, I left it enabled this entire trip. 14 days, 3850 miles. The car > shut itself off for 23 minutes, approximately, and saved a reported 0.195 > gallons of fuel. > > AZBob > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 26, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Not that I've ever heard. >> >> Wife's car has that stop/start and it has a standard-looking 12v lead/acid >> battery. >> >> I hate it too. I always disable it when I'm driving. Can't see how the >> pennies in gas it might save offsets all the extra wear on the starter. >> >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2022, at 12:23, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: >>> Took the Subaru for its service today, since we just put 3865 miles on >>> it, and I overheard an interesting conversation. A Karen had brought in >>> her Outback because it didn’t restart after having shut itself off at a >>> stoplight. The service girl was telling her these cars that shut >>> themselves off at lights to save gasoline require “special” batteries >>> that Subaru would gladly sell her at $450 a pop. >>> I wanted to stroll over and toss the bullshit flag, but I wasn’t 100% >>> certain. >>> I know nothing about this shutoff feature other than it annoys me and I >>> don’t really like it because that was my first thought: when the >>> battery starts to die it’s going to die at an intersection in Phoenix >>> when it’s 118, ambient. >>> These don’t require a special battery do they? >>> >>> AZBob >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] “Special” Battery?
When the 2016 Chevy Cruze obtained start-stop technology, it came with a beefed-up starter and a large AGM battery, along with smart charging and a current sensor in the battery cable so the car knows amp-hours in vs amp-hours out. Certain temperature parameters must be met, climate control must not be in MAX/AC or DEF settings, and battery state of charge must be high in order for it to stop the engine. And if you're waiting for a train with your foot on the brake, it restarts in 2 minutes. I just checked with GM Parts Outlet, the battery is #1 on the battery parts diagram, but they don't give a corresponding part number or price. I assume it's $200-300. On 2022-09-26 13:26, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: I know nothing of these setups, other than to say that I had a BMW 3 series as a rental this past weekend that had that infernal “shut off the engine at every stop” feature which I was able to disable, thank goodness. As for a special battery because they do this, I’m calling BS. I have often wondered if it’s harder on the battery and starter in cars with this feature, or if the starter is somehow re-engineered because of the much higher duty cycle. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] “Special” Battery?
I suspect that the emissions are harder to limit when the engine is idling, so that's why they shut off - not to save gas. On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 12:59 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > For fun, I left it enabled this entire trip. 14 days, 3850 miles. The car > shut itself off for 23 minutes, approximately, and saved a reported 0.195 > gallons of fuel. > > AZBob > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 26, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Not that I've ever heard. > > > > Wife's car has that stop/start and it has a standard-looking 12v > lead/acid battery. > > > > I hate it too. I always disable it when I'm driving. Can't see how the > pennies in gas it might save offsets all the extra wear on the starter. > > > > > >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2022, at 12:23, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: > >> Took the Subaru for its service today, since we just put 3865 miles on > >> it, and I overheard an interesting conversation. A Karen had brought in > >> her Outback because it didn’t restart after having shut itself off at a > >> stoplight. The service girl was telling her these cars that shut > >> themselves off at lights to save gasoline require “special” batteries > >> that Subaru would gladly sell her at $450 a pop. > >> I wanted to stroll over and toss the bullshit flag, but I wasn’t 100% > >> certain. > >> I know nothing about this shutoff feature other than it annoys me and I > >> don’t really like it because that was my first thought: when the > >> battery starts to die it’s going to die at an intersection in Phoenix > >> when it’s 118, ambient. > >> These don’t require a special battery do they? > >> > >> AZBob > >> > >> Sent from my iPad > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you are wearing." "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] “Special” Battery?
For fun, I left it enabled this entire trip. 14 days, 3850 miles. The car shut itself off for 23 minutes, approximately, and saved a reported 0.195 gallons of fuel. AZBob Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Not that I've ever heard. > > Wife's car has that stop/start and it has a standard-looking 12v lead/acid > battery. > > I hate it too. I always disable it when I'm driving. Can't see how the > pennies in gas it might save offsets all the extra wear on the starter. > > >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2022, at 12:23, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: >> Took the Subaru for its service today, since we just put 3865 miles on >> it, and I overheard an interesting conversation. A Karen had brought in >> her Outback because it didn’t restart after having shut itself off at a >> stoplight. The service girl was telling her these cars that shut >> themselves off at lights to save gasoline require “special” batteries >> that Subaru would gladly sell her at $450 a pop. >> I wanted to stroll over and toss the bullshit flag, but I wasn’t 100% >> certain. >> I know nothing about this shutoff feature other than it annoys me and I >> don’t really like it because that was my first thought: when the >> battery starts to die it’s going to die at an intersection in Phoenix >> when it’s 118, ambient. >> These don’t require a special battery do they? >> >> AZBob >> >> Sent from my iPad >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not that I've ever heard. Wife's car has that stop/start and it has a standard-looking 12v lead/acid battery. I hate it too. I always disable it when I'm driving. Can't see how the pennies in gas it might save offsets all the extra wear on the starter. On Mon, Sep 26, 2022, at 12:23, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: > Took the Subaru for its service today, since we just put 3865 miles on > it, and I overheard an interesting conversation. A Karen had brought in > her Outback because it didn’t restart after having shut itself off at a > stoplight. The service girl was telling her these cars that shut > themselves off at lights to save gasoline require “special” batteries > that Subaru would gladly sell her at $450 a pop. > I wanted to stroll over and toss the bullshit flag, but I wasn’t 100% > certain. > I know nothing about this shutoff feature other than it annoys me and I > don’t really like it because that was my first thought: when the > battery starts to die it’s going to die at an intersection in Phoenix > when it’s 118, ambient. > These don’t require a special battery do they? > > AZBob > > Sent from my iPad > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I know nothing of these setups, other than to say that I had a BMW 3 series as a rental this past weekend that had that infernal “shut off the engine at every stop” feature which I was able to disable, thank goodness. As for a special battery because they do this, I’m calling BS. I have often wondered if it’s harder on the battery and starter in cars with this feature, or if the starter is somehow re-engineered because of the much higher duty cycle. -D > On Sep 26, 2022, at 1:23 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: > > Took the Subaru for its service today, since we just put 3865 miles on it, > and I overheard an interesting conversation. A Karen had brought in her > Outback because it didn’t restart after having shut itself off at a > stoplight. The service girl was telling her these cars that shut themselves > off at lights to save gasoline require “special” batteries that Subaru would > gladly sell her at $450 a pop. > I wanted to stroll over and toss the bullshit flag, but I wasn’t 100% > certain. > I know nothing about this shutoff feature other than it annoys me and I don’t > really like it because that was my first thought: when the battery starts to > die it’s going to die at an intersection in Phoenix when it’s 118, ambient. > These don’t require a special battery do they? > > AZBob > > Sent from my iPad > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
