subject:"Re\: \[MBZ\] 91 300SEL"

He’s had it for a while.  I don’t think he’s that motivated.  He wasn’t even 
interested in discussing a counter offer.  I tried to see where he might go to 
with it, and he just kept saying, “It’s $1900 FIRM, like the ad says.”

Not a lot you can do to negotiate with someone like that.  Might as well move 
on.

-D

> On Feb 18, 2017, at 7:42 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well either a sucker will come along or he will lower the price, or not sell 
> it
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL ???

2017-02-18 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

Well either a sucker will come along or he will lower the price, or not sell it

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 18, 2017, at 7:07 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Agreed, but he wants $1900 and won’t budge.  It’s not a $1900 car.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Feb 18, 2017, at 7:03 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Offer 1200, although 1200 on the e300 would have been a better deal.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 18, 2017, at 3:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So here’s how the day has gone so far….
>>> 
>>> Texted Tony.  He was very pleasant, thanked me for my offer, but said no.  
>>> Oh well, can’t blame a guy for trying…
>>> 
>>> So off to Spring Hill I went. Not a bad drive, about an hour and 20 minutes 
>>> or so, about 2/3 interstate and the rest two lane rural road with a tall 
>>> speed limit.  A nice cruise for the 350SDL.
>>> 
>>> Car was as described cosmetically.  Owner is a German guy who is up in 
>>> years and knows the car pretty well.  He was frightfully honest and walked 
>>> around the car with me as I inspect it and essentially listed off all the 
>>> stuff he knew of that were issues. They were somewhat lengthy….
>>> 
>>> LR caliper is seized from sitting
>>> AC won’t hold a charge more than a day or two, original compressor
>>> Fuel door vacuum actuator leaks
>>> Trunk seal has a pinhole near the top edge which is covered with electrical 
>>> tape.  No leakage into the trunk, he caught it when it started apparently
>>> All four tires are relatively new Michelins from Dead Sam’s but one sounds 
>>> like the belt is letting loose
>>> RR window is funky and doesn’t like to move down
>>> At the last inspection his mechanic said one of of the hard lines to the 
>>> transmission cooler has a pinhole leak.  Owner says it doesn’t drip and he 
>>> hasn’t had to top it off, so it must not be anything significant.
>>> He also said something about a thermal switch on the transmission having 
>>> failed and it not wanting to upshift until it got warm.  It’s been bypassed 
>>> and the transmission shifts normally ??
>>> Driver’s side bolster and armrest are worn
>>> Top timing cover seal leaks, of course
>>> Needs an upper radiator hose
>>> 
>>> He had pretty comprehensive records that confirmed he was getting right at 
>>> about 22 mpg per tank using premium fuel with most of those miles being at 
>>> highway speeds.
>>> 
>>> The cosmetics of the car are very good.  Paint is all original and still 
>>> has good shine - no clearcoat, thank goodness.  No rust anywhere.  Door 
>>> bottoms are pristine and drains are clear.  Suspension rubber looks good, 
>>> isn’t dried or cracking.  Body rubber is equally solid, with no indication 
>>> of drying or cracking.  Windshield has been replaced and is clean and not 
>>> sandblasted.  Owner said the car has been garaged for most of its life as 
>>> far as he knew, and appearances would suggest it’s true.
>>> 
>>> Road test went well.  Car performed well and other than the RR caliper 
>>> which was noisy due to a dragging pad the suspension was tight, it had good 
>>> acceleration, the transmission shifted as expected and crisply and it 
>>> tracked straight and true.  Cruise control worked.
>>> 
>>> It had some electrical gremlins, most of which I would attribute to it not 
>>> being driven in some time and a week of somewhat damp days and high 
>>> humidity.  Tinkering with some of the (aluminum) fuses for a minute or two 
>>> brought back some of the missing functions, so that isn’t a big concern.
>>> 
>>> Four owners including this one, nearly all of the records.  Head gasket, 
>>> valve guides and seals were done around 196k - roughly 100k ago.  No sign 
>>> of oil in the exhaust.  Valve cover paint is toast, as is the stupid spark 
>>> plug wire gutter on the cover.  What a crappy setup.  Transmission fluid 
>>> was the correct tint, proper level and had no burnt smell.
>>> 
>>> A response to the burner account said they would accept $1500.  I’m 
>>> thinking an offer of $1200, as I emphasized the lengthy list of stuff it 
>>> needed to be 100% again, and the seller agreed with me about it as we went 
>>> over the list.  This is his motivation for selling - he rarely drives the 
>>> car and it needs a lot of little niggly things that collectively will cost 
>>> him more than he wants to put into the car -  that and he’s looking to buy 
>>> a used minivan or small truck to be able to haul stuff.
>>> 
>>> I’m on the fence on this one, guys.….
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 17, 2017, at 6:19 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 They suggested to the burner account that they make an offer if 
 interested.  I’ll use that to get an idea of their position as far as a 
 price.
 
 Going to go see it tomorrow.  I would probably pay $1500 for it if it’s as 
 described.  A big part

Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL ???

Agreed, but he wants $1900 and won’t budge.  It’s not a $1900 car.

-D

> On Feb 18, 2017, at 7:03 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Offer 1200, although 1200 on the e300 would have been a better deal.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 18, 2017, at 3:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> So here’s how the day has gone so far….
>> 
>> Texted Tony.  He was very pleasant, thanked me for my offer, but said no.  
>> Oh well, can’t blame a guy for trying…
>> 
>> So off to Spring Hill I went. Not a bad drive, about an hour and 20 minutes 
>> or so, about 2/3 interstate and the rest two lane rural road with a tall 
>> speed limit.  A nice cruise for the 350SDL.
>> 
>> Car was as described cosmetically.  Owner is a German guy who is up in years 
>> and knows the car pretty well.  He was frightfully honest and walked around 
>> the car with me as I inspect it and essentially listed off all the stuff he 
>> knew of that were issues. They were somewhat lengthy….
>> 
>> LR caliper is seized from sitting
>> AC won’t hold a charge more than a day or two, original compressor
>> Fuel door vacuum actuator leaks
>> Trunk seal has a pinhole near the top edge which is covered with electrical 
>> tape.  No leakage into the trunk, he caught it when it started apparently
>> All four tires are relatively new Michelins from Dead Sam’s but one sounds 
>> like the belt is letting loose
>> RR window is funky and doesn’t like to move down
>> At the last inspection his mechanic said one of of the hard lines to the 
>> transmission cooler has a pinhole leak.  Owner says it doesn’t drip and he 
>> hasn’t had to top it off, so it must not be anything significant.
>> He also said something about a thermal switch on the transmission having 
>> failed and it not wanting to upshift until it got warm.  It’s been bypassed 
>> and the transmission shifts normally ??
>> Driver’s side bolster and armrest are worn
>> Top timing cover seal leaks, of course
>> Needs an upper radiator hose
>> 
>> He had pretty comprehensive records that confirmed he was getting right at 
>> about 22 mpg per tank using premium fuel with most of those miles being at 
>> highway speeds.
>> 
>> The cosmetics of the car are very good.  Paint is all original and still has 
>> good shine - no clearcoat, thank goodness.  No rust anywhere.  Door bottoms 
>> are pristine and drains are clear.  Suspension rubber looks good, isn’t 
>> dried or cracking.  Body rubber is equally solid, with no indication of 
>> drying or cracking.  Windshield has been replaced and is clean and not 
>> sandblasted.  Owner said the car has been garaged for most of its life as 
>> far as he knew, and appearances would suggest it’s true.
>> 
>> Road test went well.  Car performed well and other than the RR caliper which 
>> was noisy due to a dragging pad the suspension was tight, it had good 
>> acceleration, the transmission shifted as expected and crisply and it 
>> tracked straight and true.  Cruise control worked.
>> 
>> It had some electrical gremlins, most of which I would attribute to it not 
>> being driven in some time and a week of somewhat damp days and high 
>> humidity.  Tinkering with some of the (aluminum) fuses for a minute or two 
>> brought back some of the missing functions, so that isn’t a big concern.
>> 
>> Four owners including this one, nearly all of the records.  Head gasket, 
>> valve guides and seals were done around 196k - roughly 100k ago.  No sign of 
>> oil in the exhaust.  Valve cover paint is toast, as is the stupid spark plug 
>> wire gutter on the cover.  What a crappy setup.  Transmission fluid was the 
>> correct tint, proper level and had no burnt smell.
>> 
>> A response to the burner account said they would accept $1500.  I’m thinking 
>> an offer of $1200, as I emphasized the lengthy list of stuff it needed to be 
>> 100% again, and the seller agreed with me about it as we went over the list. 
>>  This is his motivation for selling - he rarely drives the car and it needs 
>> a lot of little niggly things that collectively will cost him more than he 
>> wants to put into the car -  that and he’s looking to buy a used minivan or 
>> small truck to be able to haul stuff.
>> 
>> I’m on the fence on this one, guys.….
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 17, 2017, at 6:19 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> They suggested to the burner account that they make an offer if interested. 
>>>  I’ll use that to get an idea of their position as far as a price.
>>> 
>>> Going to go see it tomorrow.  I would probably pay $1500 for it if it’s as 
>>> described.  A big part of their problem is that they’re in the middle of 
>>> nowhere, sort of.  Any major metropolis is a good hour to 90 minutes away, 
>>> so a lot of the tire kickers aren’t going to make that kind of a trip.
>>> 
>>> I’m going to text Tony an offer of $1000 for the 300D tonight.  I suspect 
>>> I’ll

Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL ???

2017-02-18 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

Offer 1200, although 1200 on the e300 would have been a better deal.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 18, 2017, at 3:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> So here’s how the day has gone so far….
> 
> Texted Tony.  He was very pleasant, thanked me for my offer, but said no.  Oh 
> well, can’t blame a guy for trying…
> 
> So off to Spring Hill I went. Not a bad drive, about an hour and 20 minutes 
> or so, about 2/3 interstate and the rest two lane rural road with a tall 
> speed limit.  A nice cruise for the 350SDL.
> 
> Car was as described cosmetically.  Owner is a German guy who is up in years 
> and knows the car pretty well.  He was frightfully honest and walked around 
> the car with me as I inspect it and essentially listed off all the stuff he 
> knew of that were issues. They were somewhat lengthy….
> 
> LR caliper is seized from sitting
> AC won’t hold a charge more than a day or two, original compressor
> Fuel door vacuum actuator leaks
> Trunk seal has a pinhole near the top edge which is covered with electrical 
> tape.  No leakage into the trunk, he caught it when it started apparently
> All four tires are relatively new Michelins from Dead Sam’s but one sounds 
> like the belt is letting loose
> RR window is funky and doesn’t like to move down
> At the last inspection his mechanic said one of of the hard lines to the 
> transmission cooler has a pinhole leak.  Owner says it doesn’t drip and he 
> hasn’t had to top it off, so it must not be anything significant.
> He also said something about a thermal switch on the transmission having 
> failed and it not wanting to upshift until it got warm.  It’s been bypassed 
> and the transmission shifts normally ??
> Driver’s side bolster and armrest are worn
> Top timing cover seal leaks, of course
> Needs an upper radiator hose
> 
> He had pretty comprehensive records that confirmed he was getting right at 
> about 22 mpg per tank using premium fuel with most of those miles being at 
> highway speeds.
> 
> The cosmetics of the car are very good.  Paint is all original and still has 
> good shine - no clearcoat, thank goodness.  No rust anywhere.  Door bottoms 
> are pristine and drains are clear.  Suspension rubber looks good, isn’t dried 
> or cracking.  Body rubber is equally solid, with no indication of drying or 
> cracking.  Windshield has been replaced and is clean and not sandblasted.  
> Owner said the car has been garaged for most of its life as far as he knew, 
> and appearances would suggest it’s true.
> 
> Road test went well.  Car performed well and other than the RR caliper which 
> was noisy due to a dragging pad the suspension was tight, it had good 
> acceleration, the transmission shifted as expected and crisply and it tracked 
> straight and true.  Cruise control worked.
> 
> It had some electrical gremlins, most of which I would attribute to it not 
> being driven in some time and a week of somewhat damp days and high humidity. 
>  Tinkering with some of the (aluminum) fuses for a minute or two brought back 
> some of the missing functions, so that isn’t a big concern.
> 
> Four owners including this one, nearly all of the records.  Head gasket, 
> valve guides and seals were done around 196k - roughly 100k ago.  No sign of 
> oil in the exhaust.  Valve cover paint is toast, as is the stupid spark plug 
> wire gutter on the cover.  What a crappy setup.  Transmission fluid was the 
> correct tint, proper level and had no burnt smell.
> 
> A response to the burner account said they would accept $1500.  I’m thinking 
> an offer of $1200, as I emphasized the lengthy list of stuff it needed to be 
> 100% again, and the seller agreed with me about it as we went over the list.  
> This is his motivation for selling - he rarely drives the car and it needs a 
> lot of little niggly things that collectively will cost him more than he 
> wants to put into the car -  that and he’s looking to buy a used minivan or 
> small truck to be able to haul stuff.
> 
> I’m on the fence on this one, guys.….
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 17, 2017, at 6:19 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> They suggested to the burner account that they make an offer if interested.  
>> I’ll use that to get an idea of their position as far as a price.
>> 
>> Going to go see it tomorrow.  I would probably pay $1500 for it if it’s as 
>> described.  A big part of their problem is that they’re in the middle of 
>> nowhere, sort of.  Any major metropolis is a good hour to 90 minutes away, 
>> so a lot of the tire kickers aren’t going to make that kind of a trip.
>> 
>> I’m going to text Tony an offer of $1000 for the 300D tonight.  I suspect 
>> I’ll get a load of profanities in return.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Feb 17, 2017, at 6:10 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just take some bennies and go buy the thing and there will be no more drama 
>>> or anxiety.  I wonder if this SD

Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL ???

If you’re talking about available cars in the area, right now, nothing.

-D


> On Feb 18, 2017, at 4:13 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> What are your other options? 
> 
> On Feb 18, 2017 3:44 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes"  > wrote:
> So here’s how the day has gone so far….
> 
> Texted Tony.  He was very pleasant, thanked me for my offer, but said no.  Oh 
> well, can’t blame a guy for trying…
> 
> So off to Spring Hill I went. Not a bad drive, about an hour and 20 minutes 
> or so, about 2/3 interstate and the rest two lane rural road with a tall 
> speed limit.  A nice cruise for the 350SDL.
> 
> Car was as described cosmetically.  Owner is a German guy who is up in years 
> and knows the car pretty well.  He was frightfully honest and walked around 
> the car with me as I inspect it and essentially listed off all the stuff he 
> knew of that were issues. They were somewhat lengthy….
> 
> LR caliper is seized from sitting
> AC won’t hold a charge more than a day or two, original compressor
> Fuel door vacuum actuator leaks
> Trunk seal has a pinhole near the top edge which is covered with electrical 
> tape.  No leakage into the trunk, he caught it when it started apparently
> All four tires are relatively new Michelins from Dead Sam’s but one sounds 
> like the belt is letting loose
> RR window is funky and doesn’t like to move down
> At the last inspection his mechanic said one of of the hard lines to the 
> transmission cooler has a pinhole leak.  Owner says it doesn’t drip and he 
> hasn’t had to top it off, so it must not be anything significant.
> He also said something about a thermal switch on the transmission having 
> failed and it not wanting to upshift until it got warm.  It’s been bypassed 
> and the transmission shifts normally ??
> Driver’s side bolster and armrest are worn
> Top timing cover seal leaks, of course
> Needs an upper radiator hose
> 
> He had pretty comprehensive records that confirmed he was getting right at 
> about 22 mpg per tank using premium fuel with most of those miles being at 
> highway speeds.
> 
> The cosmetics of the car are very good.  Paint is all original and still has 
> good shine - no clearcoat, thank goodness.  No rust anywhere.  Door bottoms 
> are pristine and drains are clear.  Suspension rubber looks good, isn’t dried 
> or cracking.  Body rubber is equally solid, with no indication of drying or 
> cracking.  Windshield has been replaced and is clean and not sandblasted.  
> Owner said the car has been garaged for most of its life as far as he knew, 
> and appearances would suggest it’s true.
> 
> Road test went well.  Car performed well and other than the RR caliper which 
> was noisy due to a dragging pad the suspension was tight, it had good 
> acceleration, the transmission shifted as expected and crisply and it tracked 
> straight and true.  Cruise control worked.
> 
> It had some electrical gremlins, most of which I would attribute to it not 
> being driven in some time and a week of somewhat damp days and high humidity. 
>  Tinkering with some of the (aluminum) fuses for a minute or two brought back 
> some of the missing functions, so that isn’t a big concern.
> 
> Four owners including this one, nearly all of the records.  Head gasket, 
> valve guides and seals were done around 196k - roughly 100k ago.  No sign of 
> oil in the exhaust.  Valve cover paint is toast, as is the stupid spark plug 
> wire gutter on the cover.  What a crappy setup.  Transmission fluid was the 
> correct tint, proper level and had no burnt smell.
> 
> A response to the burner account said they would accept $1500.  I’m thinking 
> an offer of $1200, as I emphasized the lengthy list of stuff it needed to be 
> 100% again, and the seller agreed with me about it as we went over the list.  
> This is his motivation for selling - he rarely drives the car and it needs a 
> lot of little niggly things that collectively will cost him more than he 
> wants to put into the car -  that and he’s looking to buy a used minivan or 
> small truck to be able to haul stuff.
> 
> I’m on the fence on this one, guys.….
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
> > On Feb 17, 2017, at 6:19 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  > > wrote:
> >
> > They suggested to the burner account that they make an offer if interested. 
> >  I’ll use that to get an idea of their position as far as a price.
> >
> > Going to go see it tomorrow.  I would probably pay $1500 for it if it’s as 
> > described.  A big part of their problem is that they’re in the middle of 
> > nowhere, sort of.  Any major metropolis is a good hour to 90 minutes away, 
> > so a lot of the tire kickers aren’t going to make that kind of a trip.
> >
> > I’m going to text Tony an offer of $1000 for the 300D tonight.  I suspect 
> > I’ll get a load of profanities in return.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Feb 17, 2017, at 6:10 PM, Floyd

Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL ???

2017-02-18 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

What are your other options?

On Feb 18, 2017 3:44 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> So here’s how the day has gone so far….
>
> Texted Tony.  He was very pleasant, thanked me for my offer, but said no.
> Oh well, can’t blame a guy for trying…
>
> So off to Spring Hill I went. Not a bad drive, about an hour and 20
> minutes or so, about 2/3 interstate and the rest two lane rural road with a
> tall speed limit.  A nice cruise for the 350SDL.
>
> Car was as described cosmetically.  Owner is a German guy who is up in
> years and knows the car pretty well.  He was frightfully honest and walked
> around the car with me as I inspect it and essentially listed off all the
> stuff he knew of that were issues. They were somewhat lengthy….
>
> LR caliper is seized from sitting
> AC won’t hold a charge more than a day or two, original compressor
> Fuel door vacuum actuator leaks
> Trunk seal has a pinhole near the top edge which is covered with
> electrical tape.  No leakage into the trunk, he caught it when it started
> apparently
> All four tires are relatively new Michelins from Dead Sam’s but one sounds
> like the belt is letting loose
> RR window is funky and doesn’t like to move down
> At the last inspection his mechanic said one of of the hard lines to the
> transmission cooler has a pinhole leak.  Owner says it doesn’t drip and he
> hasn’t had to top it off, so it must not be anything significant.
> He also said something about a thermal switch on the transmission having
> failed and it not wanting to upshift until it got warm.  It’s been bypassed
> and the transmission shifts normally ??
> Driver’s side bolster and armrest are worn
> Top timing cover seal leaks, of course
> Needs an upper radiator hose
>
> He had pretty comprehensive records that confirmed he was getting right at
> about 22 mpg per tank using premium fuel with most of those miles being at
> highway speeds.
>
> The cosmetics of the car are very good.  Paint is all original and still
> has good shine - no clearcoat, thank goodness.  No rust anywhere.  Door
> bottoms are pristine and drains are clear.  Suspension rubber looks good,
> isn’t dried or cracking.  Body rubber is equally solid, with no indication
> of drying or cracking.  Windshield has been replaced and is clean and not
> sandblasted.  Owner said the car has been garaged for most of its life as
> far as he knew, and appearances would suggest it’s true.
>
> Road test went well.  Car performed well and other than the RR caliper
> which was noisy due to a dragging pad the suspension was tight, it had good
> acceleration, the transmission shifted as expected and crisply and it
> tracked straight and true.  Cruise control worked.
>
> It had some electrical gremlins, most of which I would attribute to it not
> being driven in some time and a week of somewhat damp days and high
> humidity.  Tinkering with some of the (aluminum) fuses for a minute or two
> brought back some of the missing functions, so that isn’t a big concern.
>
> Four owners including this one, nearly all of the records.  Head gasket,
> valve guides and seals were done around 196k - roughly 100k ago.  No sign
> of oil in the exhaust.  Valve cover paint is toast, as is the stupid spark
> plug wire gutter on the cover.  What a crappy setup.  Transmission fluid
> was the correct tint, proper level and had no burnt smell.
>
> A response to the burner account said they would accept $1500.  I’m
> thinking an offer of $1200, as I emphasized the lengthy list of stuff it
> needed to be 100% again, and the seller agreed with me about it as we went
> over the list.  This is his motivation for selling - he rarely drives the
> car and it needs a lot of little niggly things that collectively will cost
> him more than he wants to put into the car -  that and he’s looking to buy
> a used minivan or small truck to be able to haul stuff.
>
> I’m on the fence on this one, guys.….
>
> -D
>
>
>
> > On Feb 17, 2017, at 6:19 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > They suggested to the burner account that they make an offer if
> interested.  I’ll use that to get an idea of their position as far as a
> price.
> >
> > Going to go see it tomorrow.  I would probably pay $1500 for it if it’s
> as described.  A big part of their problem is that they’re in the middle of
> nowhere, sort of.  Any major metropolis is a good hour to 90 minutes away,
> so a lot of the tire kickers aren’t going to make that kind of a trip.
> >
> > I’m going to text Tony an offer of $1000 for the 300D tonight.  I
> suspect I’ll get a load of profanities in return.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Feb 17, 2017, at 6:10 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Just take some bennies and go buy the thing and there will be no more
> drama or anxiety.  I wonder if this SD I am going to look at is half nice
> as he says and I offer him $1500 v. his $2100 if he will tell me to stuff
> it or I will

Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL ???

So here’s how the day has gone so far….

Texted Tony.  He was very pleasant, thanked me for my offer, but said no.  Oh 
well, can’t blame a guy for trying…

So off to Spring Hill I went. Not a bad drive, about an hour and 20 minutes or 
so, about 2/3 interstate and the rest two lane rural road with a tall speed 
limit.  A nice cruise for the 350SDL.

Car was as described cosmetically.  Owner is a German guy who is up in years 
and knows the car pretty well.  He was frightfully honest and walked around the 
car with me as I inspect it and essentially listed off all the stuff he knew of 
that were issues. They were somewhat lengthy….

LR caliper is seized from sitting
AC won’t hold a charge more than a day or two, original compressor
Fuel door vacuum actuator leaks
Trunk seal has a pinhole near the top edge which is covered with electrical 
tape.  No leakage into the trunk, he caught it when it started apparently
All four tires are relatively new Michelins from Dead Sam’s but one sounds like 
the belt is letting loose
RR window is funky and doesn’t like to move down
At the last inspection his mechanic said one of of the hard lines to the 
transmission cooler has a pinhole leak.  Owner says it doesn’t drip and he 
hasn’t had to top it off, so it must not be anything significant.
He also said something about a thermal switch on the transmission having failed 
and it not wanting to upshift until it got warm.  It’s been bypassed and the 
transmission shifts normally ??
Driver’s side bolster and armrest are worn
Top timing cover seal leaks, of course
Needs an upper radiator hose

He had pretty comprehensive records that confirmed he was getting right at 
about 22 mpg per tank using premium fuel with most of those miles being at 
highway speeds.

The cosmetics of the car are very good.  Paint is all original and still has 
good shine - no clearcoat, thank goodness.  No rust anywhere.  Door bottoms are 
pristine and drains are clear.  Suspension rubber looks good, isn’t dried or 
cracking.  Body rubber is equally solid, with no indication of drying or 
cracking.  Windshield has been replaced and is clean and not sandblasted.  
Owner said the car has been garaged for most of its life as far as he knew, and 
appearances would suggest it’s true.

Road test went well.  Car performed well and other than the RR caliper which 
was noisy due to a dragging pad the suspension was tight, it had good 
acceleration, the transmission shifted as expected and crisply and it tracked 
straight and true.  Cruise control worked.

It had some electrical gremlins, most of which I would attribute to it not 
being driven in some time and a week of somewhat damp days and high humidity.  
Tinkering with some of the (aluminum) fuses for a minute or two brought back 
some of the missing functions, so that isn’t a big concern.

Four owners including this one, nearly all of the records.  Head gasket, valve 
guides and seals were done around 196k - roughly 100k ago.  No sign of oil in 
the exhaust.  Valve cover paint is toast, as is the stupid spark plug wire 
gutter on the cover.  What a crappy setup.  Transmission fluid was the correct 
tint, proper level and had no burnt smell.

A response to the burner account said they would accept $1500.  I’m thinking an 
offer of $1200, as I emphasized the lengthy list of stuff it needed to be 100% 
again, and the seller agreed with me about it as we went over the list.  This 
is his motivation for selling - he rarely drives the car and it needs a lot of 
little niggly things that collectively will cost him more than he wants to put 
into the car -  that and he’s looking to buy a used minivan or small truck to 
be able to haul stuff.

I’m on the fence on this one, guys.….

-D

> On Feb 17, 2017, at 6:19 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> They suggested to the burner account that they make an offer if interested.  
> I’ll use that to get an idea of their position as far as a price.
> 
> Going to go see it tomorrow.  I would probably pay $1500 for it if it’s as 
> described.  A big part of their problem is that they’re in the middle of 
> nowhere, sort of.  Any major metropolis is a good hour to 90 minutes away, so 
> a lot of the tire kickers aren’t going to make that kind of a trip.
> 
> I’m going to text Tony an offer of $1000 for the 300D tonight.  I suspect 
> I’ll get a load of profanities in return.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Feb 17, 2017, at 6:10 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Just take some bennies and go buy the thing and there will be no more drama 
>> or anxiety.  I wonder if this SD I am going to look at is half nice as he 
>> says and I offer him $1500 v. his $2100 if he will tell me to stuff it or I 
>> will end up with a car.  What do I need with 3 SDs?  What does any of us 
>> need with multiple Benzes? I got a place I can hide it, so there's that...
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL

Joey Bagodonuts.

-D

> On Feb 18, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is that Fat Tony or Tony Two Times?
> 
> --FT
> 


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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL

2017-02-18 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes


Is that Fat Tony or Tony Two Times?

--FT


On 2/17/17 6:19 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

They suggested to the burner account that they make an offer if interested.  
I’ll use that to get an idea of their position as far as a price.

Going to go see it tomorrow.  I would probably pay $1500 for it if it’s as 
described.  A big part of their problem is that they’re in the middle of 
nowhere, sort of.  Any major metropolis is a good hour to 90 minutes away, so a 
lot of the tire kickers aren’t going to make that kind of a trip.

I’m going to text Tony an offer of $1000 for the 300D tonight.  I suspect I’ll 
get a load of profanities in return.

-D


On Feb 17, 2017, at 6:10 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

Just take some bennies and go buy the thing and there will be no more drama or 
anxiety.  I wonder if this SD I am going to look at is half nice as he says and 
I offer him $1500 v. his $2100 if he will tell me to stuff it or I will end up 
with a car.  What do I need with 3 SDs?  What does any of us need with multiple 
Benzes? I got a place I can hide it, so there's that...

--FT




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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL

2017-02-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

They suggested to the burner account that they make an offer if interested.  
I’ll use that to get an idea of their position as far as a price.

Going to go see it tomorrow.  I would probably pay $1500 for it if it’s as 
described.  A big part of their problem is that they’re in the middle of 
nowhere, sort of.  Any major metropolis is a good hour to 90 minutes away, so a 
lot of the tire kickers aren’t going to make that kind of a trip.

I’m going to text Tony an offer of $1000 for the 300D tonight.  I suspect I’ll 
get a load of profanities in return.

-D

> On Feb 17, 2017, at 6:10 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just take some bennies and go buy the thing and there will be no more drama 
> or anxiety.  I wonder if this SD I am going to look at is half nice as he 
> says and I offer him $1500 v. his $2100 if he will tell me to stuff it or I 
> will end up with a car.  What do I need with 3 SDs?  What does any of us need 
> with multiple Benzes? I got a place I can hide it, so there's that...
> 
> --FT
> 
> 

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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL

Those are different levels of technology.  I'd guess the 302 was 20 
years newer, from a time where they were trying somewhat to g et more 
efficiency.


the M103 , 420 and 560 are all contemporary, so no technical, or 
efficiency differences.



Craig via Mercedes 
February 17, 2017 at 5:01 PM
On Fri, 17 Feb 2017 16:51:11 -0500 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

We had a couple of Willys Utility Wagons when we lived in Colorado.

The first had a "Hurricane Six" inline six cylinder. It had a modest
amount of power and got horrible fuel mileage (10 - 12 mpg).

The second had a Ford 302 V-8. It had a LOT more power and got noticably
better fuel mileage (16 - 18 mpg) to boot.


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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL

Just take some bennies and go buy the thing and there will be no more
drama or anxiety. I wonder if this SD I am going to look at is half
nice as he says and I offer him $1500 v. his $2100 if he will tell me to
stuff it or I will end up with a car. What do I need with 3 SDs? What
does any of us need with multiple Benzes? I got a place I can hide it,
so there's that...

--FT

On 2/17/17 5:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

There has been.

I’ve just never heard from anyone with direct, documented experience, that’s
all.

The 300SEL owners are looking to unload, or so it would seem. I’ve had some
discussions with them on a burner account I use, and they already asked me if I
wanted to make an offer. I’m thinking it could be a nice $1500 car.

The car looks really clean for its age and mileage. Again, not sure I want to blow four hours to go look at it, though.

-D

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wrote:

Wasn;t there some extended discussion on these a coupla years ago that reached
the same conclusion that a small V8 was about the same fuel use as the 6 but
the 6 did not haul it around as well? I vaguely recall Poos and Kleb having the
same discussion.

--FT

On 2/17/17 4:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I would not get a 300sel unless it happened to be super clean and a very cheap
price

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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL

2017-02-17 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Fri, 17 Feb 2017 16:51:11 -0500 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Wasn;t there some extended discussion on these  a coupla years ago that 
> reached the same conclusion that a small V8 was about the same fuel use 
> as the 6 but the 6 did not haul it around as well? I vaguely recall
> Poos and Kleb having the same discussion.

We had a couple of Willys Utility Wagons when we lived in Colorado.

The first had a "Hurricane Six" inline six cylinder. It had a modest
amount of power and got horrible fuel mileage (10 - 12 mpg).

The second had a Ford 302 V-8. It had a LOT more power and got noticably
better fuel mileage (16 - 18 mpg) to boot.

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL

I can tell you from experience that is the case.

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> On Feb 17, 2017, at 4:51 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Wasn;t there some extended discussion on these  a coupla years ago that 
> reached the same conclusion that a small V8 was about the same fuel use as 
> the 6 but the 6 did not haul it around as well? I vaguely recall Poos and 
> Kleb having the same discussion.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
>> On 2/17/17 4:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> I would not get a 300sel unless it happened to be super clean and a very 
>> cheap price
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL

2017-02-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

There has been.

I’ve just never heard from anyone with direct, documented experience, that’s 
all.

The 300SEL owners are looking to unload, or so it would seem.  I’ve had some 
discussions with them on a burner account I use, and they already asked me if I 
wanted to make an offer.  I’m thinking it could be a nice $1500 car.

The car looks really clean for its age and mileage.  Again, not sure I want to 
blow four hours to go look at it, though.

-D

> On Feb 17, 2017, at 4:51 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Wasn;t there some extended discussion on these  a coupla years ago that 
> reached the same conclusion that a small V8 was about the same fuel use as 
> the 6 but the 6 did not haul it around as well? I vaguely recall Poos and 
> Kleb having the same discussion.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> On 2/17/17 4:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> I would not get a 300sel unless it happened to be super clean and a very 
>> cheap price
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL

Wasn;t there some extended discussion on these  a coupla years ago that 
reached the same conclusion that a small V8 was about the same fuel use 
as the 6 but the 6 did not haul it around as well? I vaguely recall Poos 
and Kleb having the same discussion.


--FT


On 2/17/17 4:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I would not get a 300sel unless it happened to be super clean and a very cheap 
price

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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL

I would not get a 300sel unless it happened to be super clean and a very cheap 
price

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> On Feb 17, 2017, at 4:25 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was referringn to the 240D, that you say has peeling clear on the hood.  
> That is the one to get, not the 300SEL.
> 
> I don't think the 300TE ever got 22.
>> Dan--- via Mercedes 
>> February 17, 2017 at 2:01 PM
>> Yeah, I was thinking that as well.
>> 
>> The 300SEL owner says they get about 22 mpg, most of which is highway, which 
>> makes sense.
>> 
>> Hmm. I may go look at it tomorrow. I'll call them tonight and get some more 
>> details.
>> 
>> That 240D is tempting, too. Too bad it's in the opposite direction.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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>> GET IT and get the hood repainted if that bothers you.   It will be good for 
>> a lifetime if he keeps it away from salt.  There is no cheaper 
>> transportation over the long haul..
>> 
>> 
>> Dan--- via Mercedes 
>> February 17, 2017 at 1:42 PM
>> Thanks, Larry.
>> 
>> They put some more pictures up at my request. I'm still waiting to see if 
>> they can give me any mileage info:
>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/6000845444.html
>> 
>> It's nearly 90 minutes away. Not sure if I want to blow four hours of my 
>> weekend to go and look at it. That 240D is tempting as a car for the boy, 
>> but if you look closely you'll notice the paint on the hood is toast. I 
>> thought it was reflections at first, then looked closer and saw that it's 
>> peeling clearcoat.
>> 
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>> February 17, 2017 at 1:05 PM
>> This is the official mileage -
>> 
>> https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/8028.shtml
>> 
>> They say 15 combined..  I didn't see the original post - isit a diesel?   
>> The above relate to gas I suspect...
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>> I might go look at the 300k 300SEL this weekend.
>> 
>> Does anyone have any direct experience with the M103 in the W126 chassis as 
>> far as fuel mileage? I'm really curious about this, but don't have any real 
>> information short of anecdotal stuff.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL

That would be a stretch.

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> On Feb 17, 2017, at 3:01 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I was thinking that as well.
> 
> The 300SEL owner says they get about 22 mpg, most of which is highway, which 
> makes sense.
> 
> Hmm.  I may go look at it tomorrow. I'll call them tonight and get some more 
> details.
> 
> That 240D is tempting, too. Too bad it's in the opposite direction.
> 
> -D
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Feb 17, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> GET IT and get the hood repainted if that bothers you.   It will be good for 
>> a lifetime if he keeps it away from salt.  There is no cheaper 
>> transportation over the long haul..
>> 
>>> Dan--- via Mercedes 
>>> February 17, 2017 at 1:42 PM
>>> Thanks, Larry.
>>> 
>>> They put some more pictures up at my request. I'm still waiting to see if 
>>> they can give me any mileage info:
>>> 
>>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/6000845444.html
>>> 
>>> It's nearly 90 minutes away. Not sure if I want to blow four hours of my 
>>> weekend to go and look at it. That 240D is tempting as a car for the boy, 
>>> but if you look closely you'll notice the paint on the hood is toast. I 
>>> thought it was reflections at first, then looked closer and saw that it's 
>>> peeling clearcoat.
>>> 
>>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL

I did not see a link to a 240d

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> 
> GET IT and get the hood repainted if that bothers you.   It will be good for 
> a lifetime if he keeps it away from salt.  There is no cheaper transportation 
> over the long haul..
> 
>> Dan--- via Mercedes 
>> February 17, 2017 at 1:42 PM
>> Thanks, Larry.
>> 
>> They put some more pictures up at my request. I'm still waiting to see if 
>> they can give me any mileage info:
>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/6000845444.html
>> 
>> It's nearly 90 minutes away. Not sure if I want to blow four hours of my 
>> weekend to go and look at it. That 240D is tempting as a car for the boy, 
>> but if you look closely you'll notice the paint on the hood is toast. I 
>> thought it was reflections at first, then looked closer and saw that it's 
>> peeling clearcoat.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL

I was referring to the 240D, that you say has peeling clear on the 
hood.  That is the one to get, not the 300SEL.


I don't think the 300TE ever got 22.

Dan--- via Mercedes 
February 17, 2017 at 2:01 PM
Yeah, I was thinking that as well.

The 300SEL owner says they get about 22 mpg, most of which is highway, 
which makes sense.


Hmm. I may go look at it tomorrow. I'll call them tonight and get some 
more details.


That 240D is tempting, too. Too bad it's in the opposite direction.

-D

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February 17, 2017 at 1:51 PM
 GET IT and get the hood repainted if that bothers you.   It will be 
good for a lifetime if he keeps it away from salt.  There is no 
cheaper transportation over the long haul..



Dan--- via Mercedes 
February 17, 2017 at 1:42 PM
Thanks, Larry.

They put some more pictures up at my request. I'm still waiting to see 
if they can give me any mileage info:


https://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/6000845444.html

It's nearly 90 minutes away. Not sure if I want to blow four hours of 
my weekend to go and look at it. That 240D is tempting as a car for 
the boy, but if you look closely you'll notice the paint on the hood 
is toast. I thought it was reflections at first, then looked closer 
and saw that it's peeling clearcoat.


-D

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February 17, 2017 at 1:05 PM
This is the official mileage -

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/8028.shtml

They say 15 combined..  I didn't see the original post - isit a 
diesel?   The above relate to gas I suspect...


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February 17, 2017 at 8:43 AM
I might go look at the 300k 300SEL this weekend.

Does anyone have any direct experience with the M103 in the W126 
chassis as far as fuel mileage? I'm really curious about this, but 
don't have any real information short of anecdotal stuff.


Thanks,

-D

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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL

Yeah, I was thinking that as well.

The 300SEL owner says they get about 22 mpg, most of which is highway, which 
makes sense.

Hmm.  I may go look at it tomorrow. I'll call them tonight and get some more 
details.

That 240D is tempting, too. Too bad it's in the opposite direction.

-D

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> On Feb 17, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> GET IT and get the hood repainted if that bothers you.   It will be good for 
> a lifetime if he keeps it away from salt.  There is no cheaper transportation 
> over the long haul..
> 
>> Dan--- via Mercedes 
>> February 17, 2017 at 1:42 PM
>> Thanks, Larry.
>> 
>> They put some more pictures up at my request. I'm still waiting to see if 
>> they can give me any mileage info:
>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/6000845444.html
>> 
>> It's nearly 90 minutes away. Not sure if I want to blow four hours of my 
>> weekend to go and look at it. That 240D is tempting as a car for the boy, 
>> but if you look closely you'll notice the paint on the hood is toast. I 
>> thought it was reflections at first, then looked closer and saw that it's 
>> peeling clearcoat.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL

 GET IT and get the hood repainted if that bothers you.   It will be 
good for a lifetime if he keeps it away from salt.  There is no cheaper 
transportation over the long haul..



Dan--- via Mercedes 
February 17, 2017 at 1:42 PM
Thanks, Larry.

They put some more pictures up at my request. I'm still waiting to see 
if they can give me any mileage info:


https://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/6000845444.html

It's nearly 90 minutes away. Not sure if I want to blow four hours of 
my weekend to go and look at it. That 240D is tempting as a car for 
the boy, but if you look closely you'll notice the paint on the hood 
is toast. I thought it was reflections at first, then looked closer 
and saw that it's peeling clearcoat.


-D


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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL

Thanks, Larry.

They put some more pictures up at my request. I'm still waiting to see if they 
can give me any mileage info:

https://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/6000845444.html

It's nearly 90 minutes away. Not sure if I want to blow four hours of my 
weekend to go and look at it.  That 240D is tempting as a car for the boy, but 
if you look closely you'll notice the paint on the hood is toast. I thought it 
was reflections at first, then looked closer and saw that it's peeling 
clearcoat.

-D

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> On Feb 17, 2017, at 2:05 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is the official mileage -
> 
> https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/8028.shtml
> 
> They say 15 combined..  I didn't see the original post - isit a diesel?   The 
> above relate to gas I suspect...
> 
> LarryT
> 
> 
>> On 02/17/2017 9:43 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> I might go look at the 300k 300SEL this weekend.
>> 
>> Does anyone have any direct experience with the M103 in the W126 chassis as 
>> far as fuel mileage? I'm really curious about this, but don't have any real 
>> information short of anecdotal stuff.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL

2017-02-17 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes


This is the official mileage -

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/8028.shtml

They say 15 combined..  I didn't see the original post - isit a 
diesel?   The above relate to gas I suspect...


LarryT


On 02/17/2017 9:43 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

I might go look at the 300k 300SEL this weekend.

Does anyone have any direct experience with the M103 in the W126 chassis as far 
as fuel mileage? I'm really curious about this, but don't have any real 
information short of anecdotal stuff.

Thanks,

-D

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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL

2017-02-17 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes

Dan.

Not actual 126 info, though I had a 1989 300E 2.6 M103. Same thirst as a three 
liter but less power. Combined mileage was about 24 mpg until the FI went south.

YMMV.

Fred.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL

Yeah, that's probably the case, however, it points at an approach towards 
repairs that suggests some serious half-assedness, which means there's more 
stuff like it to discover as you dig deeper into the car.

As for the M103 in the W126 chassis, I'm looking for some actual numbers from 
someone that's owned one.  If you're saying it only gets in the mid teens, I 
would want to know this is from direct experience

-D
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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL

I was gonna say "Tony" instead of Vinnie but I thought that would be too 
trite.  Shoulda stuck with my intuition.


Did the old guy holler at you not to park in his damn street?

--FT


On 2/17/17 10:49 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

Close. Tony.

What was even better was that he had me follow him to a parking lot a couple of 
blocks away from his house because he has a neighbor who sits out in his garage 
and watches everything he does. He said he doesn't like the guy watching him.

I made note of the guy when I pulled up. Typical retired guy with no life.

Maybe "Tony" is in witness protection?

-D

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On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:

oh man you should have mentioned that aspect, RUN AWAY!

is his name Vinnie?  or Julio?

--FT


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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL


Sounds a lot like the SEL Tony.Weird!


Dan--- via Mercedes 
February 17, 2017 at 9:49 AM
Close. Tony.

What was even better was that he had me follow him to a parking lot a 
couple of blocks away from his house because he has a neighbor who 
sits out in his garage and watches everything he does. He said he 
doesn't like the guy watching him.


I made note of the guy when I pulled up. Typical retired guy with no life.

Maybe "Tony" is in witness protection?

-D


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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL

Close. Tony.

What was even better was that he had me follow him to a parking lot a couple of 
blocks away from his house because he has a neighbor who sits out in his garage 
and watches everything he does. He said he doesn't like the guy watching him.

I made note of the guy when I pulled up. Typical retired guy with no life.

Maybe "Tony" is in witness protection?

-D

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> On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> oh man you should have mentioned that aspect, RUN AWAY!
> 
> is his name Vinnie?  or Julio?
> 
> --FT
>> 

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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL

Nope we got great service

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> On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:39 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> how was it there yesterday?  All the "guest workers" here were on strike for 
> the day.  Did you have to mix your own drinks?
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
>> On 2/17/17 10:32 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>  I'm sitting on the beach drinking a Miami Vice at the moment too lazy to 
>> look it up. This is a company trip so I'm working.
> 
> -- 
> --FT
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> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large 
> or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
> enemy.”
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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL


oh man you should have mentioned that aspect, RUN AWAY!

is his name Vinnie?  or Julio?

--FT


On 2/17/17 10:39 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/5997569577.html

The seller is a former used car dealer who has retired. He rings all the bells 
- open shirt, lots of gold chains, etc., etc.  He's got a number of MBs around 
and appears to know the cars fairly well - he was able to discuss some issues 
with other models at a level well above having casual knowledge.

It's still a $1000-$1200 car.

-D

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On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:32 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Yea rebuilt title would make a little bit of difference but not a whole lot on 
a car that old. Send me the link to it again. I'm sitting on the beach drinking 
a Miami Vice at the moment too lazy to look it up. This is a company trip so 
I'm working.

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On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:03 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:

Almost forgot to add - car has a rebuilt title, too. Not sure if I mentioned 
that he bought it in 2008 from an insurance company with a hole in the oil pan. 
I thought it had a salvage title, found out it was a rebuilt title. That's 
actually better, as it makes the insurance companies happier.  This was 80k 
ago, so it's really a non-issue to me.

It's a $1000 car, especially with the title the way it is. That's a major freak 
out for most potential buyers. Too bad he doesn't point it out in the CL 
listings, which he is spamming CL with every day or two.  It's going to be 
there for a long time at $1900 FIRM.

-D

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On Feb 17, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

What;s the deal with that cheep dizzel?

--FT



On 2/17/17 9:43 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
I might go look at the 300k 300SEL this weekend.

Does anyone have any direct experience with the M103 in the W126 chassis as far 
as fuel mileage? I'm really curious about this, but don't have any real 
information short of anecdotal stuff.

Thanks,

-D

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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL

how was it there yesterday?  All the "guest workers" here were on strike 
for the day.  Did you have to mix your own drinks?


--FT


On 2/17/17 10:32 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

  I'm sitting on the beach drinking a Miami Vice at the moment too lazy to look 
it up. This is a company trip so I'm working.


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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL

https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/5997569577.html

The seller is a former used car dealer who has retired. He rings all the bells 
- open shirt, lots of gold chains, etc., etc.  He's got a number of MBs around 
and appears to know the cars fairly well - he was able to discuss some issues 
with other models at a level well above having casual knowledge.

It's still a $1000-$1200 car.

-D

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> On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:32 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yea rebuilt title would make a little bit of difference but not a whole lot 
> on a car that old. Send me the link to it again. I'm sitting on the beach 
> drinking a Miami Vice at the moment too lazy to look it up. This is a company 
> trip so I'm working.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:03 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Almost forgot to add - car has a rebuilt title, too. Not sure if I mentioned 
>> that he bought it in 2008 from an insurance company with a hole in the oil 
>> pan. I thought it had a salvage title, found out it was a rebuilt title. 
>> That's actually better, as it makes the insurance companies happier.  This 
>> was 80k ago, so it's really a non-issue to me.
>> 
>> It's a $1000 car, especially with the title the way it is. That's a major 
>> freak out for most potential buyers. Too bad he doesn't point it out in the 
>> CL listings, which he is spamming CL with every day or two.  It's going to 
>> be there for a long time at $1900 FIRM.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Feb 17, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What;s the deal with that cheep dizzel?
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>> 
 On 2/17/17 9:43 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
 I might go look at the 300k 300SEL this weekend.
 
 Does anyone have any direct experience with the M103 in the W126 chassis 
 as far as fuel mileage? I'm really curious about this, but don't have any 
 real information short of anecdotal stuff.
 
 Thanks,
 
 -D
 
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>>> --FT
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>>> large or petty,
>>> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
>>> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of 
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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL

Yep.   I tried that with the Bronco.  It got a lousy 10 MPG with the 
170.  I got a galaxie with a 289 that got 17 mpg.  Put it in the 
Bronco10 MPG.  It takes a certain amount of HP to pull a given 
vehicle at a given speed.  Within reason, changing cu in or top hp goes 
not matter, if rate of acceleration is the same.   Fizziks


Diesel has two advantages:  More BTU per gallon; More efficient engine.

A newer, more efficient vergasser engine might get a little better mpg, 
but same vintage technology will get the same mileage when driven the 
same way.


I like the M103, but if I had to have a vergasser 126, it would be a 420 
or 560.  (in USA form)  A euro M110 would probably be ok too.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
February 17, 2017 at 9:24 AM
I can tell you it will get about the same mileage as a 420 but with a 
lot less power.


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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL

Yeah, that's probably the case, however, it points at an approach towards 
repairs that suggests some serious half-assedness, which means there's more 
stuff like it to discover as you dig deeper into the car.

As for the M103 in the W126 chassis, I'm looking for some actual numbers from 
someone that's owned one.  If you're saying it only gets in the mid teens, I 
would want to know this is from direct experience

-D

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> On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The reason for the wire to the compressor is probably because the klima relay 
> is bad. Other stuff seems minor. It would have been reasonable at $1.2-1.5k
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Yea rebuilt title would make a little bit of difference but not a whole lot on 
a car that old. Send me the link to it again. I'm sitting on the beach drinking 
a Miami Vice at the moment too lazy to look it up. This is a company trip so 
I'm working.

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> On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:03 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Almost forgot to add - car has a rebuilt title, too. Not sure if I mentioned 
> that he bought it in 2008 from an insurance company with a hole in the oil 
> pan. I thought it had a salvage title, found out it was a rebuilt title. 
> That's actually better, as it makes the insurance companies happier.  This 
> was 80k ago, so it's really a non-issue to me.
> 
> It's a $1000 car, especially with the title the way it is. That's a major 
> freak out for most potential buyers. Too bad he doesn't point it out in the 
> CL listings, which he is spamming CL with every day or two.  It's going to be 
> there for a long time at $1900 FIRM.
> 
> -D
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Feb 17, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> What;s the deal with that cheep dizzel?
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2/17/17 9:43 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I might go look at the 300k 300SEL this weekend.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have any direct experience with the M103 in the W126 chassis as 
>>> far as fuel mileage? I'm really curious about this, but don't have any real 
>>> information short of anecdotal stuff.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
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>> or petty,
>> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
>> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of 
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The reason for the wire to the compressor is probably because the klima relay 
is bad. Other stuff seems minor. It would have been reasonable at $1.2-1.5k

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> On Feb 17, 2017, at 9:56 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Car was a beater, sort of.
> 
> The body wasn't bad and as stated previously all the known issues were 
> addressed, such as evapectomy, delivery valve O rings and washers, wiring 
> harness, etc.
> 
> What put me off were the "repairs" that had been done to the car. Lots of 
> short cuts, stuff eliminated and bypassed, etc. it would have been a major 
> undertaking to get everything right again, and that's if the components 
> involved, like the PB unit, were still functional.
> 
> For example, the AC had a wire run directly to the compressor clutch. That 
> is, it ran 100% of the time, which explained why the expansion valve appeared 
> to be frozen. And this was on a 66F day.  Lights and signals worked, but no 
> hazards. Things like the fuel heater and windshield washer heater all 
> bypassed. Messy.
> 
> Interior was actually pretty nice, with the wood being cracked and a little 
> bit of headliner droop starting to show. The upholstery, which was a really 
> dark tan like tobacco (color code 174, whatever that is) was in really good 
> shape.
> 
> I might have considered it at $1000, knowing it would take another grand to 
> make it safe and fully functional, but there's no way I would pay his $1900 
> asking price.
> 
> I'll see if he comes back to me on it as I expect he will. He won't like my 
> response and will probably blow me off. However, if I could get it for $1000 
> I would do it.
> 
> I was amazed at the performance of the car despite not being turbocharged. 
> That's still a pretty spritely ride considering it's normally aspirated.  It 
> drove well and was almost as good as a gas W124, I thought.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Feb 17, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> What;s the deal with that cheep dizzel?
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2/17/17 9:43 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I might go look at the 300k 300SEL this weekend.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have any direct experience with the M103 in the W126 chassis as 
>>> far as fuel mileage? I'm really curious about this, but don't have any real 
>>> information short of anecdotal stuff.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
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>> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL

I can tell you it will get about the same mileage as a 420 but with a lot less 
power.

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> On Feb 17, 2017, at 9:43 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I might go look at the 300k 300SEL this weekend.
> 
> Does anyone have any direct experience with the M103 in the W126 chassis as 
> far as fuel mileage? I'm really curious about this, but don't have any real 
> information short of anecdotal stuff.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL

yep.  $1k.  He ain't gonna get any bites with that ad and price, 
although maybe some fool would beat him to $1500 or something to get a 
runner Merzaydeez.  Good to follow though.


--R


On 2/17/17 10:03 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

Almost forgot to add - car has a rebuilt title, too. Not sure if I mentioned 
that he bought it in 2008 from an insurance company with a hole in the oil pan. 
I thought it had a salvage title, found out it was a rebuilt title. That's 
actually better, as it makes the insurance companies happier.  This was 80k 
ago, so it's really a non-issue to me.

It's a $1000 car, especially with the title the way it is. That's a major freak 
out for most potential buyers. Too bad he doesn't point it out in the CL 
listings, which he is spamming CL with every day or two.  It's going to be 
there for a long time at $1900 FIRM.

-D

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What;s the deal with that cheep dizzel?

--FT



On 2/17/17 9:43 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
I might go look at the 300k 300SEL this weekend.

Does anyone have any direct experience with the M103 in the W126 chassis as far 
as fuel mileage? I'm really curious about this, but don't have any real 
information short of anecdotal stuff.

Thanks,

-D

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petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL

Almost forgot to add - car has a rebuilt title, too. Not sure if I mentioned 
that he bought it in 2008 from an insurance company with a hole in the oil pan. 
I thought it had a salvage title, found out it was a rebuilt title. That's 
actually better, as it makes the insurance companies happier.  This was 80k 
ago, so it's really a non-issue to me.

It's a $1000 car, especially with the title the way it is. That's a major freak 
out for most potential buyers. Too bad he doesn't point it out in the CL 
listings, which he is spamming CL with every day or two.  It's going to be 
there for a long time at $1900 FIRM.

-D

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> On Feb 17, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What;s the deal with that cheep dizzel?
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
>> On 2/17/17 9:43 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> I might go look at the 300k 300SEL this weekend.
>> 
>> Does anyone have any direct experience with the M103 in the W126 chassis as 
>> far as fuel mileage? I'm really curious about this, but don't have any real 
>> information short of anecdotal stuff.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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> or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL

Car was a beater, sort of.

The body wasn't bad and as stated previously all the known issues were 
addressed, such as evapectomy, delivery valve O rings and washers, wiring 
harness, etc.

What put me off were the "repairs" that had been done to the car. Lots of short 
cuts, stuff eliminated and bypassed, etc. it would have been a major 
undertaking to get everything right again, and that's if the components 
involved, like the PB unit, were still functional.

 For example, the AC had a wire run directly to the compressor clutch. That is, 
it ran 100% of the time, which explained why the expansion valve appeared to be 
frozen. And this was on a 66F day.  Lights and signals worked, but no hazards. 
Things like the fuel heater and windshield washer heater all bypassed. Messy.

Interior was actually pretty nice, with the wood being cracked and a little bit 
of headliner droop starting to show. The upholstery, which was a really dark 
tan like tobacco (color code 174, whatever that is) was in really good shape.

I might have considered it at $1000, knowing it would take another grand to 
make it safe and fully functional, but there's no way I would pay his $1900 
asking price.

I'll see if he comes back to me on it as I expect he will. He won't like my 
response and will probably blow me off. However, if I could get it for $1000 I 
would do it.

I was amazed at the performance of the car despite not being turbocharged. 
That's still a pretty spritely ride considering it's normally aspirated.  It 
drove well and was almost as good as a gas W124, I thought.

Dan

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> On Feb 17, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What;s the deal with that cheep dizzel?
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
>> On 2/17/17 9:43 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> I might go look at the 300k 300SEL this weekend.
>> 
>> Does anyone have any direct experience with the M103 in the W126 chassis as 
>> far as fuel mileage? I'm really curious about this, but don't have any real 
>> information short of anecdotal stuff.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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> or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] 91 300SEL