Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL Parts Car for Kaleb

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On 5/31/16 6:56 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
Well, yep, I've been to Oklahoma, too; 'been in its air space many 
times, but that probably doesn't count.


Wilton

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Well, I 've never been to Heaven
 But I've been to Oklahoma


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So you've been to Oklahoma?


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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL Parts Car for Kaleb

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Well, yep, I've been to Oklahoma, too; 'been in its air space many times, 
but that probably doesn't count.


Wilton

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Well, I 've never been to Heaven
 But I've been to Oklahoma


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So you've been to Oklahoma?


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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL Parts Car for Kaleb

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Well, I 've never been to Heaven
 But I've been to Oklahoma


Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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So you've been to Oklahoma?


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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL Parts Car for Kaleb

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Im 20 miles due east of Bartlesville.


On 5/31/2016 4:14 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I have been to Tulsa and Bartlesville, OK..

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 4:55 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:


'Understand they some mighty sweet-smellin' wavin' wheat there, 'specially
when the wind comes right behind the rain.

Wilton

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So you've been to Oklahoma?


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   It's like talking to an otherwise normal
person missing half an ear and most of his teeth..


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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL Parts Car for Kaleb

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Oklahoma is OK!  I've got some relatives in Sapulpa area, haven't visited
them in over 20 years now.

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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL Parts Car for Kaleb

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I have been to Tulsa and Bartlesville, OK..

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 4:55 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
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> 'Understand they some mighty sweet-smellin' wavin' wheat there, 'specially
> when the wind comes right behind the rain.
>
> Wilton
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>
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>
> So you've been to Oklahoma?
>>
>>
>> --BB
>>
>>
>> On 5/31/16 1:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>>   It's like talking to an otherwise normal
>>> person missing half an ear and most of his teeth..
>>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL Parts Car for Kaleb

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'Understand they some mighty sweet-smellin' wavin' wheat there, 'specially 
when the wind comes right behind the rain.


Wilton

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So you've been to Oklahoma?


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On 5/31/16 1:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

  It's like talking to an otherwise normal
person missing half an ear and most of his teeth..


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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL Parts Car for Kaleb

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So you've been to Oklahoma?


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On 5/31/16 1:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

  It's like talking to an otherwise normal
person missing half an ear and most of his teeth..


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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL Parts Car for Kaleb

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Randy, I meant no disrespect, but simply was searching for an analogy to
express the shock at seeing those small patches of rust-through in an
otherwise lovely car.

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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> On 31/05/2016 8:05 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Would be great but he seems to want way too much for it.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 31, 2016, at 4:22 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-cars-sale/320023-fs-1991-350-sdl-turbo.html
>>>
>>> Too bad, it looks like it was a pretty nice car at one time.  Tinworm
>>> sounds like it got to it.
>>>
>>> Dan
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> So, call him up and offer him your car that needs an engine so he can swap
> bodies.
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL Parts Car for Kaleb

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On 31/05/2016 8:05 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Would be great but he seems to want way too much for it.

Sent from my iPhone


On May 31, 2016, at 4:22 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-cars-sale/320023-fs-1991-350-sdl-turbo.html

Too bad, it looks like it was a pretty nice car at one time.  Tinworm sounds 
like it got to it.

Dan
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So, call him up and offer him your car that needs an engine so he can 
swap bodies.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL Parts Car for Kaleb

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On 31/05/2016 12:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

That rust is scary SICK.  It's like talking to an otherwise normal
person missing half an ear and most of his teeth..



But not all that long ago, that was fairly common among older people.
One of my father's uncles was a rough looking old character - no teeth, 
very wrinkled and mostly blind, but a nice old fellow.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL Parts Car for Kaleb

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That rust is scary SICK.  It's like talking to an otherwise normal
person missing half an ear and most of his teeth..

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 10:36 AM, WILTON via Mercedes  wrote:

> Terrible waste of a good engine.  'Wish I coulda had it.
>
> Wilton
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL Parts Car for Kaleb
>
>
>
> Wonder what he'd take for it now
>>
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>> --BB
>>
>>
>> On 5/31/16 9:18 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> too bad he didn't let it go for a reasonable price 4 years ago. Sounds
>>> like it has been sitting outside for 4 years melting away.
>>>
>>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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>>>>
>>>> Too bad, it looks like it was a pretty nice car at one time. Tinworm
>>>> sounds like it got to it.
>>>>
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL Parts Car for Kaleb

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Terrible waste of a good engine.  'Wish I coulda had it.

Wilton

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Wonder what he'd take for it now


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On 5/31/16 9:18 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
too bad he didn't let it go for a reasonable price 4 years ago. Sounds 
like it has been sitting outside for 4 years melting away.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-cars-sale/320023-fs-1991-350-sdl-turbo.html

Too bad, it looks like it was a pretty nice car at one time. Tinworm 
sounds like it got to it.


Dan
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL Parts Car for Kaleb

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Wonder what he'd take for it now


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On 5/31/16 9:18 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
too bad he didn't let it go for a reasonable price 4 years ago. Sounds 
like it has been sitting outside for 4 years melting away.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
May 31, 2016 at 4:22 AMvia Postbox 

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-cars-sale/320023-fs-1991-350-sdl-turbo.html 



Too bad, it looks like it was a pretty nice car at one time. Tinworm 
sounds like it got to it.


Dan
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL Parts Car for Kaleb

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

too bad he didn't let it go for a reasonable price 4 years ago.   Sounds 
like it has been sitting outside for 4 years melting away.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
May 31, 2016 at 4:22 AMvia Postbox 


http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-cars-sale/320023-fs-1991-350-sdl-turbo.html

Too bad, it looks like it was a pretty nice car at one time. Tinworm 
sounds like it got to it.


Dan
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL Parts Car for Kaleb

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yeah, if you read the whole thread it just keeps going downhill.  Sounds like 
there are some serious structural issues with the car. No doubt why it's never 
sold...

Sounds like a good donor drivetrain.

Dan

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> On May 31, 2016, at 9:05 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
> Would be great but he seems to want way too much for it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On May 31, 2016, at 4:22 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-cars-sale/320023-fs-1991-350-sdl-turbo.html
>> 
>> Too bad, it looks like it was a pretty nice car at one time.  Tinworm sounds 
>> like it got to it.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL Parts Car for Kaleb

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Would be great but he seems to want way too much for it.

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> 
> Too bad, it looks like it was a pretty nice car at one time.  Tinworm sounds 
> like it got to it.
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[WILTON]

You know, don't you, the tranny was rebuilt about 25 kmi ago by Griffin, I 
think it was, in Raleigh.


Wilt

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On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:41 AM, WILTON  wrote:


'Left the yard bassackward on a truck.  See photo.



I should send a picture, but I don't have one, so here's a thousand words.
The SDL is hanging from jack stands, and the engine lift is poised to pull
out the 350 (figure I should pull that first so I know what I'm getting
into).  Some things are disconnected.  Hopefully I will have some time 
this

weekend to yank-and-drop, it is definitely the nice season for outside
work. :)

Later,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

So did you pull the head to see what the problem was and if it can be fixed? 
The 3.5 has more torque at lower rpm and would be best to keep it in the car. 
As a last resort I would convert to a 3.0 but that's just me.

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On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:30 AM, Tim Crone  wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:41 AM, WILTON  wrote:
> 
>> 'Left the yard bassackward on a truck.  See photo.
> 
> 
> I should send a picture, but I don't have one, so here's a thousand words.
> The SDL is hanging from jack stands, and the engine lift is poised to pull
> out the 350 (figure I should pull that first so I know what I'm getting
> into).  Some things are disconnected.  Hopefully I will have some time this
> weekend to yank-and-drop, it is definitely the nice season for outside
> work. :)
> 
> Later,
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I would go 1 step further and say I would not tackle the project unless I had a 
3.5 available or thought one might turn up in the near future. But then again 
that's just me.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 19, 2013, at 12:32 PM, Rick Knoble  wrote:

> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:58 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:
> 
>> So did you pull the head to see what the problem was and if it can be fixed? 
>> The 3.5 has more torque at lower rpm and would be best to keep it in the 
>> car. As a last resort I would convert to a 3.0 but that's just me.
> 
> 
> +1
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

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On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:58 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:

> So did you pull the head to see what the problem was and if it can be fixed? 
> The 3.5 has more torque at lower rpm and would be best to keep it in the car. 
> As a last resort I would convert to a 3.0 but that's just me.


+1

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Tim Crone]

On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:41 AM, WILTON  wrote:

> 'Left the yard bassackward on a truck.  See photo.


I should send a picture, but I don't have one, so here's a thousand words.
 The SDL is hanging from jack stands, and the engine lift is poised to pull
out the 350 (figure I should pull that first so I know what I'm getting
into).  Some things are disconnected.  Hopefully I will have some time this
weekend to yank-and-drop, it is definitely the nice season for outside
work. :)

Later,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Mitch Haley]

Scott Ritchey wrote:

So Wilton's 350 has a new lease on life!  This is wonderful.  I almost cried
thinking it was headed to the crusher.  About the seized motor, my
understanding is that all original 350s developed oval cylinders unless the
rods were replaced early in the life of the engine.  My inclination would be
to strip, catalog, and store all interesting parts and use the rest as scrap
weight


That seems to match what I thought I knew ten years ago.


Current wisdom seems to be that:

1. 60x head gaskets fail around cylinder #1.
2. 3.5 head gaskets fail sooner because there's less metal around the cylinder 
bores, and when they fail water gets in #1 hole and bends the rod.


That seems to match Wilton's car that went from perfectly running, to using 
water, to locked up (likely hydrolocked) in short order.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Sep 6, 2013 5:22 PM, "Scott Ritchey"  wrote:
>
>  My inclination would be
> to strip, catalog, and store all
> interesting parts and use the rest as
> scrap weight.
>

M-B V-8 blocks make interesting coffee tables if you take the oil pan off
and put a sheet of glass or acrylic on top.  A six might be too top-heavy,
though.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Scott Ritchey]

So Wilton's 350 has a new lease on life!  This is wonderful.  I almost cried
thinking it was headed to the crusher.  About the seized motor, my
understanding is that all original 350s developed oval cylinders unless the
rods were replaced early in the life of the engine.  My inclination would be
to strip, catalog, and store all interesting parts and use the rest as scrap
weight

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Tim Crone
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 1:44 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

Me too! :) I hope I can keep it in as good shape as Wilton has for all
these years, it is a beautiful car to behold.  And it was a pleasure to
meet Wilton after all these years, as well.

On a more sober note, Wilton's oil analysis came back positive for coolant.
 Since it won't turn over now, is there any point in doing further
diagnostics to his engine?  Or should I just drop it into the old chassis
and let it add weight for the junkyard?

Thanks,
-Tim


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:47 AM, WILTON  wrote:

> ATTABOY to Tim, also; I wish him well with it.  I expect to see it tooling
> (cruising) around Chapel Hill soon.
>
> Wilton
>
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Benz Hogs]

The head alone is worth more than scrap.  I would at least do some 
checking, and have the head checked.  If it's good, you can keep it for 
a spare, or sell it.


Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (170,xxx mi)

On 9/6/2013 12:44 PM, Tim Crone wrote:

Me too! :) I hope I can keep it in as good shape as Wilton has for all
these years, it is a beautiful car to behold.  And it was a pleasure to
meet Wilton after all these years, as well.

On a more sober note, Wilton's oil analysis came back positive for coolant.
  Since it won't turn over now, is there any point in doing further
diagnostics to his engine?  Or should I just drop it into the old chassis
and let it add weight for the junkyard?

Thanks,
-Tim


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:47 AM, WILTON  wrote:


ATTABOY to Tim, also; I wish him well with it.  I expect to see it tooling
(cruising) around Chapel Hill soon.

Wilton



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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[rickknoble]

 Tim wrote;
On a more sober note, Wilton's oil analysis came back positive for coolant.
 Since it won't turn over now, is there any point in doing further
diagnostics to his engine?  Or should I just drop it into the old chassis
and let it add weight for the junkyard?

Save it if you have storage. It would be ideal to get a factory replacement 
engine, and have that one as a core. Or have it reconditioned at an authorized 
Mercedes rebuilder. Not cost effective though.




Rick Knoble

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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[WILTON]

Or I'd be doing it.  ;<)

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "rickknoble" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL



Tim wrote;
On a more sober note, Wilton's oil analysis came back positive for 
coolant.

Since it won't turn over now, is there any point in doing further
diagnostics to his engine? Or should I just drop it into the old chassis
and let it add weight for the junkyard?

Save it if you have storage. It would be ideal to get a factory 
replacement engine, and have that one as a core. Or have it reconditioned 
at an authorized Mercedes rebuilder. Not cost effective though.





Rick Knoble

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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[WILTON]

ATTABOY to Tim, also; I wish him well with it.  I expect to see it tooling 
(cruising) around Chapel Hill soon.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Rentfro" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL



Atta boy, Wilton.

Bob R
On Sep 6, 2013 8:36 AM, "WILTON"  wrote:


It's no longer Wilton's car; it's Tim's car.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

ATTABOY

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On Sep 6, 2013, at 10:36 AM, "WILTON"  wrote:

> It's no longer Wilton's car; it's Tim's car.
> 
> Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[OK Don]

Happens to me all the time. I start reading the oldest emails first, and
frequently read the replies before I get to the original post, especially
if the subject has changed.

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> So this email showed up at 11:36 in my list according to my email thread,
> but other replies show it coming at 8:36 and 10:36, and the replies
> appeared before I got the email
>
> --R
>
>



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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[WILTON]

Right now, my computer shows 4:30 PM, same as my iPhone.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL


So this email showed up at 11:36 in my list according to my email 
thread, but other replies show it coming at 8:36 and 10:36, and the 
replies appeared before I got the email


--R

Atta boy, Wilton.

Bob R
On Sep 6, 2013 8:36 AM, "WILTON"  wrote:

It's no longer Wilton's car; it's Tim's car.

Wilton
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On Sep 6, 2013, at 10:36 AM, "WILTON"  wrote:

It's no longer Wilton's car; it's Tim's car.

Wilton



On 9/6/13 11:36 AM, WILTON wrote:

It's no longer Wilton's car; it's Tim's car.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[WILTON]

--- And Simon Willard tall case clock that I assembled.   ;<)

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL



Right now, my computer shows 4:30 PM, same as my iPhone.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL


So this email showed up at 11:36 in my list according to my email 
thread, but other replies show it coming at 8:36 and 10:36, and the 
replies appeared before I got the email


--R

Atta boy, Wilton.

Bob R
On Sep 6, 2013 8:36 AM, "WILTON"  wrote:

It's no longer Wilton's car; it's Tim's car.

Wilton
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On Sep 6, 2013, at 10:36 AM, "WILTON"  wrote:

It's no longer Wilton's car; it's Tim's car.

Wilton



On 9/6/13 11:36 AM, WILTON wrote:

It's no longer Wilton's car; it's Tim's car.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Rich Thomas]

So this email showed up at 11:36 in my list according to my email 
thread, but other replies show it coming at 8:36 and 10:36, and the 
replies appeared before I got the email


--R

Atta boy, Wilton.

Bob R
On Sep 6, 2013 8:36 AM, "WILTON"  wrote:

It's no longer Wilton's car; it's Tim's car.

Wilton
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On Sep 6, 2013, at 10:36 AM, "WILTON"  wrote:

It's no longer Wilton's car; it's Tim's car.

Wilton



On 9/6/13 11:36 AM, WILTON wrote:

It's no longer Wilton's car; it's Tim's car.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

As I said before, pull the injectors real quick and see if it turns then. If it 
does pull the head and fix it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 6, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Tim Crone  wrote:

> Me too! :) I hope I can keep it in as good shape as Wilton has for all
> these years, it is a beautiful car to behold.  And it was a pleasure to
> meet Wilton after all these years, as well.
> 
> On a more sober note, Wilton's oil analysis came back positive for coolant.
> Since it won't turn over now, is there any point in doing further
> diagnostics to his engine?  Or should I just drop it into the old chassis
> and let it add weight for the junkyard?
> 
> Thanks,
> -Tim
> 
> 
> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:47 AM, WILTON  wrote:
> 
>> ATTABOY to Tim, also; I wish him well with it.  I expect to see it tooling
>> (cruising) around Chapel Hill soon.
>> 
>> Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Mitch Haley]

Tim Crone wrote:

Me too! :) I hope I can keep it in as good shape as Wilton has for all
these years, it is a beautiful car to behold.  And it was a pleasure to
meet Wilton after all these years, as well.

On a more sober note, Wilton's oil analysis came back positive for coolant.
 Since it won't turn over now, is there any point in doing further
diagnostics to his engine?  Or should I just drop it into the old chassis
and let it add weight for the junkyard?


Probably needs a head gasket.
If you want to fix it, pull the head and see if #1 piston rises as far as the 
others, since it's a rodbender engine.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Tim Crone]

Me too! :) I hope I can keep it in as good shape as Wilton has for all
these years, it is a beautiful car to behold.  And it was a pleasure to
meet Wilton after all these years, as well.

On a more sober note, Wilton's oil analysis came back positive for coolant.
 Since it won't turn over now, is there any point in doing further
diagnostics to his engine?  Or should I just drop it into the old chassis
and let it add weight for the junkyard?

Thanks,
-Tim


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:47 AM, WILTON  wrote:

> ATTABOY to Tim, also; I wish him well with it.  I expect to see it tooling
> (cruising) around Chapel Hill soon.
>
> Wilton
>
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Bob Rentfro]

Atta boy, Wilton.

Bob R
On Sep 6, 2013 8:36 AM, "WILTON"  wrote:

> It's no longer Wilton's car; it's Tim's car.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[WILTON]

'Responded to you off list, Tim, including photos.

Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Tim Crone" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL


Wilton, I've been out of it for a while, but if you are really going to 
let

it go for scrap please let me know how much it comes to; maybe I could
spring for it and use the winter to move my engine over.

Best,
-Tim



On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 1:20 PM, WILTON  wrote:


I agree, it is, indeed, a shame.  There's really more to it than one sees
at a glance or that one can express or read on an internet forum.  I've
nursed this car for 17 years since the timing chain broke and I learned
about its "rod-bender" rep.  'Lost confidence in it less than a year 
after

I bought it (for BIG money) 18+ years ago and haven't felt really
comfortable with it since the TC break, etc.  I've now spent most of this
summer (since early May) fussing over this car (the additional crap from
Trent certainly didn't help any, either).  Yes, the coolant leak problem
may be fairly simple and relatively easy to overcome, but I think there's
much more.  There are some other major things that I need to deal with,
too, such as repairs to the house we live in plus some significant 
repairs

and updating to a rental house we own (tenant who was in the house for 33
years moved 'bout 3 weeks ago).

BTW, SWMBO (surprisingly) has been thus far very "accommodating" about 
the

dead/useless car sitting in the yard - 'hasn't bugged me about it at all.

BTW, I'll "throw in" with ya on the lottery ticket, but I'm finished with
the car after I get some stuff off it that still has value to me - can 
use

the cruise control amp, for example, right now on the 124.
Oh, just remembered - it has nearly $75 worth of fuel in it.  That, too,
will work very nicely in the 124.  ;<)


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" >
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:39 PM

Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL


 Well it seems a shame to crush or part-out a nice car with a fairly 
small
problem (realizing it could be more than that) that requires a bit of 
time
and effort to sort (neither of which either of us have in abundance, one 
or

the other or both) so that is my dilemma.  It could be a fun project.

--R (who is going to buy a lottery ticket this evening)


On 8/24/13 12:32 PM, WILTON wrote:


I do appreciate the concern and the effort, but I wouldn't buy it back
with that engine it; now, with a low miles 603.960 engine in it, it 
could

be a different matter.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" >
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL


 no, need to source that new head and get it running again, then I will
sell it back to you for a hefty profit.  Can't do that with parts 
missing.


--R


On 8/24/13 11:58 AM, WILTON wrote:


Minus the parts that I'm gonna take?

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" 

constructivity.net >
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL


 I would maybe pick it up for knacker price.


--R


On 8/23/13 6:04 PM, WILTON wrote:


$1200; bring a trailer soon.

'Been a yard ornament long enough.  Not gonna let grass and weeds
grow up around it.  I'll start getting reserve parts for my 87 300D 
off it

soon and send it to knackers if nobody wants it.

Black, palomino int; no rust; BLOWS ICE COLD; working cruise
control, etc., ('til I start getting parts for the 124)
Good tires, etc., etc.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL & knackers

[Dan Penoff]

Too far away for the Klebster, I'll bet.

Dan

On Aug 27, 2013, at 11:26 AM, Craig  wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 10:14:39 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
>  wrote:
> 
>> He will get $1-200 if he does that, some do not pay anything to pick
>> up. If he hauls it down himself he may get 3-400 depending on what
>> crush value is. As nice a car as it is, he is better off selling it
>> whole and should be able to get 6-1000 I would think. If you start
>> taking parts off it will go down from there
> 
> You have mentioned your interest in Wilton's car. Have you and he made a
> connection yet?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL & knackers

[Craig]

On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 10:14:39 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
 wrote:

> He will get $1-200 if he does that, some do not pay anything to pick
> up. If he hauls it down himself he may get 3-400 depending on what
> crush value is. As nice a car as it is, he is better off selling it
> whole and should be able to get 6-1000 I would think. If you start
> taking parts off it will go down from there

You have mentioned your interest in Wilton's car. Have you and he made a
connection yet?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL & knackers

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

He will get $1-200 if he does that, some do not pay anything to pick up. If he 
hauls it down himself he may get 3-400 depending on what crush value is. As 
nice a car as it is, he is better off selling it whole and should be able to 
get 6-1000 I would think. If you start taking parts off it will go down from 
there

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On Aug 27, 2013, at 10:09 AM, G Mann  wrote:

> Just a thought.  Most of the knackers here will pick up a car where it
> sets. They take a small premium for the service off the scrap value, but it
> might work for you.
> A phone call should give you the answer if that is available in your locale.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 6:52 AM, Tim Crone  wrote:
> 
>> As long as the car is still registered, if you have the #2 plan they will
>> tow anywhere within 100 miles.  Cheap plan is 3 miles, plus a few dollars a
>> mile thereafter.  I have never towed to their facility.
>> 
>> Yes I know this was 4 days ago, but there's the answer at least for NC AAA.
>> :)
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Tim
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:46 PM, clay  wrote:
>> 
>>> I did ask them that question.  They refused the idea.  If it comes home
>> or
>>> goes to a shop, the tow is free.  Going any other place is not kosher.
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> On Aug 23, 2013, at 5:53 PM, WILTON wrote:
>>> 
 S'pose AAA would tow the SDL to the knackers?
 
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL & knackers

[G Mann]

Just a thought.  Most of the knackers here will pick up a car where it
sets. They take a small premium for the service off the scrap value, but it
might work for you.
A phone call should give you the answer if that is available in your locale.


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 6:52 AM, Tim Crone  wrote:

> As long as the car is still registered, if you have the #2 plan they will
> tow anywhere within 100 miles.  Cheap plan is 3 miles, plus a few dollars a
> mile thereafter.  I have never towed to their facility.
>
> Yes I know this was 4 days ago, but there's the answer at least for NC AAA.
> :)
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:46 PM, clay  wrote:
>
> > I did ask them that question.  They refused the idea.  If it comes home
> or
> > goes to a shop, the tow is free.  Going any other place is not kosher.
> >
> > clay
> >
> > On Aug 23, 2013, at 5:53 PM, WILTON wrote:
> >
> > > S'pose AAA would tow the SDL to the knackers?
> > >
> > > Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL & knackers

[Tim Crone]

As long as the car is still registered, if you have the #2 plan they will
tow anywhere within 100 miles.  Cheap plan is 3 miles, plus a few dollars a
mile thereafter.  I have never towed to their facility.

Yes I know this was 4 days ago, but there's the answer at least for NC AAA.
:)

Thanks,
Tim


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> I did ask them that question.  They refused the idea.  If it comes home or
> goes to a shop, the tow is free.  Going any other place is not kosher.
>
> clay
>
> On Aug 23, 2013, at 5:53 PM, WILTON wrote:
>
> > S'pose AAA would tow the SDL to the knackers?
> >
> > Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Tim Crone]

Wilton, I've been out of it for a while, but if you are really going to let
it go for scrap please let me know how much it comes to; maybe I could
spring for it and use the winter to move my engine over.

Best,
-Tim



On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 1:20 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> I agree, it is, indeed, a shame.  There's really more to it than one sees
> at a glance or that one can express or read on an internet forum.  I've
> nursed this car for 17 years since the timing chain broke and I learned
> about its "rod-bender" rep.  'Lost confidence in it less than a year after
> I bought it (for BIG money) 18+ years ago and haven't felt really
> comfortable with it since the TC break, etc.  I've now spent most of this
> summer (since early May) fussing over this car (the additional crap from
> Trent certainly didn't help any, either).  Yes, the coolant leak problem
> may be fairly simple and relatively easy to overcome, but I think there's
> much more.  There are some other major things that I need to deal with,
> too, such as repairs to the house we live in plus some significant repairs
> and updating to a rental house we own (tenant who was in the house for 33
> years moved 'bout 3 weeks ago).
>
> BTW, SWMBO (surprisingly) has been thus far very "accommodating" about the
> dead/useless car sitting in the yard - 'hasn't bugged me about it at all.
>
> BTW, I'll "throw in" with ya on the lottery ticket, but I'm finished with
> the car after I get some stuff off it that still has value to me - can use
> the cruise control amp, for example, right now on the 124.
> Oh, just remembered - it has nearly $75 worth of fuel in it.  That, too,
> will work very nicely in the 124.  ;<)
>
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas"  constructivity.net >
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:39 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
>
>
>  Well it seems a shame to crush or part-out a nice car with a fairly small
>> problem (realizing it could be more than that) that requires a bit of time
>> and effort to sort (neither of which either of us have in abundance, one or
>> the other or both) so that is my dilemma.  It could be a fun project.
>>
>> --R (who is going to buy a lottery ticket this evening)
>>
>>
>> On 8/24/13 12:32 PM, WILTON wrote:
>>
>>> I do appreciate the concern and the effort, but I wouldn't buy it back
>>> with that engine it; now, with a low miles 603.960 engine in it, it could
>>> be a different matter.
>>>
>>> Wilton
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" >> constructivity.net >
>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
>>>
>>>
>>>  no, need to source that new head and get it running again, then I will
>>>> sell it back to you for a hefty profit.  Can't do that with parts missing.
>>>>
>>>> --R
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/24/13 11:58 AM, WILTON wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Minus the parts that I'm gonna take?
>>>>>
>>>>> Wilton
>>>>>
>>>>> - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" >>>> constructivity.net >
>>>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:35 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  I would maybe pick it up for knacker price.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --R
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/23/13 6:04 PM, WILTON wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $1200; bring a trailer soon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'Been a yard ornament long enough.  Not gonna let grass and weeds
>>>>>>> grow up around it.  I'll start getting reserve parts for my 87 300D off 
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> soon and send it to knackers if nobody wants it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Black, palomino int; no rust; BLOWS ICE COLD; working cruise
>>>>>>> control, etc., ('til I start getting parts for the 124)
>>>>>>> Good tires, etc., etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wilton
>>>>>>> __**_
>>>>>>>

Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL & knackers & colonel milton

[mlh]

> I haven't been paying attention to the details, as I am not in the
> market for a 126 with a steering wheel on the wrong side but if the body
> is rust free, it should be fixed. How much is a 3 litre (not sure what
> that is in cubes) MB turbo Diesel from a wreck?

Are LHD cars exotic there like RHD cars here?
How often do you really need to see around somebody to pass them?
Can you get a 24 valve OM606 turbo easily?
You could be the only kid on the block with a LHD 24 valve 300SDL!

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL & knackers & colonel milton

[Hendrik and Fay]

Problem with that is that you get all the weirdos come crawling out from 
under their rocks, however a throw away email address to screen the 
nutjobs should do the trick.
Perhaps milt-the-w...@hotmail.com or sexgod...@gmail.com or to scare the 
tire kickers away colonelcr...@nukeyou.now


I haven't been paying attention to the details, as I am not in the 
market for a 126 with a steering wheel on the wrong side but if the body 
is rust free, it should be fixed. How much is a 3 litre (not sure what 
that is in cubes) MB turbo Diesel from a wreck?

Didn't someone there have a 300SD with crappy body but good mechanicals?
Generally speaking, Colonel, it's the body where the big dollars go and 
if you let it be known to the wider community that you have good body 
but a sick heart, you should get some interest.
I think you would prefer to see the car live again than see it get 
recycled into a chevy and if all it really needs is an engine, what's 
the big deal? OK you might be a little past pulling engines but surely 
someone would be be willing to do it, say you sold the car for 800 and 
an engine is 500, that's a pretty cheap late model SD, BTW where are the 
pictures, post some pictures and you might get some excitement.
Worst comes to worst you can park it outside the local Merc dealer with 
LEMON written in big yellow letters on it.
OOOh does it have a sunroof, people love sunroofs, everyone loves 
sunroofs except for retired air force personnel who prefer their 
'earthfloors'


Hendrik
who would like 300SD but they never sold them here

On 24/08/13 12:17, clay wrote:

Put it on CL.  There is a good looking w140 locally with unspecified no go that 
has a $800 price.  More than you would get for junk yard pay

clay





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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[WILTON]

BTW, Andrew, son's '07 R320CDI (254 kmi) that you saw in DC is for sale; $12 
k.  Grndson you also met there graduated summa cum laude at UNC-CH in May 
and is back there in Grad school; he'll be going back to France in Jan for a 
year and a half of grad work at Institut d'Etude Politique de Paris.
By the the time I was his age I had been all the way to Raleigh on a bus. 
;<)


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Andrew Strasfogel" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL



This list is the graveyard for anyone wanting to sell something.  We are
all such che*p b*star*s


On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Scott Ritchey  
wrote:




This breaks my heart.  Ut I'm too old to learn a new engine (all 
experience

is 61x) and I already have a pretty-good 300SD (82) that seldom gets
driven.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:23 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

'Plan to get an update from knackers Mon.  Month or so ago, I understood
$10.50/100lb.; maybe I misunderstood something, but that's the way it's
headed after I get stuff off it that may do me some good (W124 or
otherwise), 'less somebody intervenes with appropriate reprieve.
I'll await word from knacker Mon. before anything is removed, etc.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: "WILTON" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL


> Minus the parts that I'm gonna take?
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Rich Thomas" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
>
>
>>I would maybe pick it up for knacker price.
>>
>> --R
>>
>>
>> On 8/23/13 6:04 PM, WILTON wrote:
>>> $1200; bring a trailer soon.
>>>
>>> 'Been a yard ornament long enough.  Not gonna let grass and weeds 
>>> grow

>>> up around it.  I'll start getting reserve parts for my 87 300D off it
>>> soon and send it to knackers if nobody wants it.
>>>
>>> Black, palomino int; no rust; BLOWS ICE COLD; working cruise control,
>>> etc., ('til I start getting parts for the 124)
>>> Good tires, etc., etc.
>>>
>>> Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[WILTON]

Maybe, if Rich and I make it big on that lottery ticket he's buying for us, 
I can stop being such a cheap etc.  I wasn't nearly so "cheap" 18 years ago 
when I was led by the fantastic reputation of it's predecessor 300D to pay 
big money for MB's disappointing "top of the line" in '91.   ;<)


Wilt

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From: "Andrew Strasfogel" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL



This list is the graveyard for anyone wanting to sell something.  We are
all such che*p b*star*s


On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Scott Ritchey  
wrote:




This breaks my heart.  Ut I'm too old to learn a new engine (all 
experience

is 61x) and I already have a pretty-good 300SD (82) that seldom gets
driven.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:23 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

'Plan to get an update from knackers Mon.  Month or so ago, I understood
$10.50/100lb.; maybe I misunderstood something, but that's the way it's
headed after I get stuff off it that may do me some good (W124 or
otherwise), 'less somebody intervenes with appropriate reprieve.
I'll await word from knacker Mon. before anything is removed, etc.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: "WILTON" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL


> Minus the parts that I'm gonna take?
>
> Wilton
>
> ----- Original Message -
> From: "Rich Thomas" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
>
>
>>I would maybe pick it up for knacker price.
>>
>> --R
>>
>>
>> On 8/23/13 6:04 PM, WILTON wrote:
>>> $1200; bring a trailer soon.
>>>
>>> 'Been a yard ornament long enough.  Not gonna let grass and weeds 
>>> grow

>>> up around it.  I'll start getting reserve parts for my 87 300D off it
>>> soon and send it to knackers if nobody wants it.
>>>
>>> Black, palomino int; no rust; BLOWS ICE COLD; working cruise control,
>>> etc., ('til I start getting parts for the 124)
>>> Good tires, etc., etc.
>>>
>>> Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Andrew Strasfogel]

This list is the graveyard for anyone wanting to sell something.  We are
all such che*p b*star*s


On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Scott Ritchey  wrote:

>
> This breaks my heart.  Ut I'm too old to learn a new engine (all experience
> is 61x) and I already have a pretty-good 300SD (82) that seldom gets
> driven.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON
> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:23 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
>
> 'Plan to get an update from knackers Mon.  Month or so ago, I understood
> $10.50/100lb.; maybe I misunderstood something, but that's the way it's
> headed after I get stuff off it that may do me some good (W124 or
> otherwise), 'less somebody intervenes with appropriate reprieve.
> I'll await word from knacker Mon. before anything is removed, etc.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "WILTON" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
>
>
> > Minus the parts that I'm gonna take?
> >
> > Wilton
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Rich Thomas" 
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:35 AM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
> >
> >
> >>I would maybe pick it up for knacker price.
> >>
> >> --R
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/23/13 6:04 PM, WILTON wrote:
> >>> $1200; bring a trailer soon.
> >>>
> >>> 'Been a yard ornament long enough.  Not gonna let grass and weeds grow
> >>> up around it.  I'll start getting reserve parts for my 87 300D off it
> >>> soon and send it to knackers if nobody wants it.
> >>>
> >>> Black, palomino int; no rust; BLOWS ICE COLD; working cruise control,
> >>> etc., ('til I start getting parts for the 124)
> >>> Good tires, etc., etc.
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Scott Ritchey]

This breaks my heart.  Ut I'm too old to learn a new engine (all experience
is 61x) and I already have a pretty-good 300SD (82) that seldom gets driven.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:23 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

'Plan to get an update from knackers Mon.  Month or so ago, I understood 
$10.50/100lb.; maybe I misunderstood something, but that's the way it's 
headed after I get stuff off it that may do me some good (W124 or 
otherwise), 'less somebody intervenes with appropriate reprieve.
I'll await word from knacker Mon. before anything is removed, etc.

Wilton

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From: "WILTON" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL


> Minus the parts that I'm gonna take?
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Rich Thomas" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
>
>
>>I would maybe pick it up for knacker price.
>>
>> --R
>>
>>
>> On 8/23/13 6:04 PM, WILTON wrote:
>>> $1200; bring a trailer soon.
>>>
>>> 'Been a yard ornament long enough.  Not gonna let grass and weeds grow 
>>> up around it.  I'll start getting reserve parts for my 87 300D off it 
>>> soon and send it to knackers if nobody wants it.
>>>
>>> Black, palomino int; no rust; BLOWS ICE COLD; working cruise control, 
>>> etc., ('til I start getting parts for the 124)
>>> Good tires, etc., etc.
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[WILTON]

'Will not rotate with wrench on PS pulley.

Wilton

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From: "Peter Frederick" 

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Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL


Before you assume the engine is hydrolocked, try to rotate it by  
something on the front of the engine (crank bolt, PS pump pulley, etc).


A solid clunk with no rotation is one of the typical symptoms of a  
dead starter, I've replace two of them on a 603 that did that.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[WILTON]

And I thought we had a deal at $1200.  ;<)

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL



My offer was way way over salvage price, would send truck to pick it up

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 24, 2013, at 11:23 AM, "WILTON"  wrote:

'Plan to get an update from knackers Mon.  Month or so ago, I understood 
$10.50/100lb.; maybe I misunderstood something, but that's the way it's 
headed after I get stuff off it that may do me some good (W124 or 
otherwise), 'less somebody intervenes with appropriate reprieve.

I'll await word from knacker Mon. before anything is removed, etc.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "WILTON" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL



Minus the parts that I'm gonna take?

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL



I would maybe pick it up for knacker price.

--R


On 8/23/13 6:04 PM, WILTON wrote:

$1200; bring a trailer soon.

'Been a yard ornament long enough.  Not gonna let grass and weeds grow 
up around it.  I'll start getting reserve parts for my 87 300D off it 
soon and send it to knackers if nobody wants it.


Black, palomino int; no rust; BLOWS ICE COLD; working cruise control, 
etc., ('til I start getting parts for the 124)

Good tires, etc., etc.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[WILTON]

I agree, it is, indeed, a shame.  There's really more to it than one sees at 
a glance or that one can express or read on an internet forum.  I've nursed 
this car for 17 years since the timing chain broke and I learned about its 
"rod-bender" rep.  'Lost confidence in it less than a year after I bought it 
(for BIG money) 18+ years ago and haven't felt really comfortable with it 
since the TC break, etc.  I've now spent most of this summer (since early 
May) fussing over this car (the additional crap from Trent certainly didn't 
help any, either).  Yes, the coolant leak problem may be fairly simple and 
relatively easy to overcome, but I think there's much more.  There are some 
other major things that I need to deal with, too, such as repairs to the 
house we live in plus some significant repairs and updating to a rental 
house we own (tenant who was in the house for 33 years moved 'bout 3 weeks 
ago).


BTW, SWMBO (surprisingly) has been thus far very "accommodating" about the 
dead/useless car sitting in the yard - 'hasn't bugged me about it at all.


BTW, I'll "throw in" with ya on the lottery ticket, but I'm finished with 
the car after I get some stuff off it that still has value to me - can use 
the cruise control amp, for example, right now on the 124.
Oh, just remembered - it has nearly $75 worth of fuel in it.  That, too, 
will work very nicely in the 124.  ;<)


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL


Well it seems a shame to crush or part-out a nice car with a fairly small 
problem (realizing it could be more than that) that requires a bit of time 
and effort to sort (neither of which either of us have in abundance, one 
or the other or both) so that is my dilemma.  It could be a fun project.


--R (who is going to buy a lottery ticket this evening)


On 8/24/13 12:32 PM, WILTON wrote:
I do appreciate the concern and the effort, but I wouldn't buy it back 
with that engine it; now, with a low miles 603.960 engine in it, it could 
be a different matter.


Wilton

- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Thomas" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL


no, need to source that new head and get it running again, then I will 
sell it back to you for a hefty profit.  Can't do that with parts 
missing.


--R


On 8/24/13 11:58 AM, WILTON wrote:

Minus the parts that I'm gonna take?

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL



I would maybe pick it up for knacker price.

--R


On 8/23/13 6:04 PM, WILTON wrote:

$1200; bring a trailer soon.

'Been a yard ornament long enough.  Not gonna let grass and weeds 
grow up around it.  I'll start getting reserve parts for my 87 300D 
off it soon and send it to knackers if nobody wants it.


Black, palomino int; no rust; BLOWS ICE COLD; working cruise control, 
etc., ('til I start getting parts for the 124)

Good tires, etc., etc.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

My offer was way way over salvage price, would send truck to pick it up 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 24, 2013, at 11:23 AM, "WILTON"  wrote:

> 'Plan to get an update from knackers Mon.  Month or so ago, I understood 
> $10.50/100lb.; maybe I misunderstood something, but that's the way it's 
> headed after I get stuff off it that may do me some good (W124 or otherwise), 
> 'less somebody intervenes with appropriate reprieve.
> I'll await word from knacker Mon. before anything is removed, etc.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "WILTON" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
> 
> 
>> Minus the parts that I'm gonna take?
>> 
>> Wilton
>> 
>> - Original Message ----- From: "Rich Thomas" 
>> 
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:35 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
>> 
>> 
>>> I would maybe pick it up for knacker price.
>>> 
>>> --R
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 8/23/13 6:04 PM, WILTON wrote:
>>>> $1200; bring a trailer soon.
>>>> 
>>>> 'Been a yard ornament long enough.  Not gonna let grass and weeds grow up 
>>>> around it.  I'll start getting reserve parts for my 87 300D off it soon 
>>>> and send it to knackers if nobody wants it.
>>>> 
>>>> Black, palomino int; no rust; BLOWS ICE COLD; working cruise control, 
>>>> etc., ('til I start getting parts for the 124)
>>>> Good tires, etc., etc.
>>>> 
>>>> Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Rich Thomas]

Well it seems a shame to crush or part-out a nice car with a fairly 
small problem (realizing it could be more than that) that requires a bit 
of time and effort to sort (neither of which either of us have in 
abundance, one or the other or both) so that is my dilemma.  It could be 
a fun project.


--R (who is going to buy a lottery ticket this evening)


On 8/24/13 12:32 PM, WILTON wrote:
I do appreciate the concern and the effort, but I wouldn't buy it back 
with that engine it; now, with a low miles 603.960 engine in it, it 
could be a different matter.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL


no, need to source that new head and get it running again, then I 
will sell it back to you for a hefty profit.  Can't do that with 
parts missing.


--R


On 8/24/13 11:58 AM, WILTON wrote:

Minus the parts that I'm gonna take?

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL



I would maybe pick it up for knacker price.

--R


On 8/23/13 6:04 PM, WILTON wrote:

$1200; bring a trailer soon.

'Been a yard ornament long enough.  Not gonna let grass and weeds 
grow up around it.  I'll start getting reserve parts for my 87 
300D off it soon and send it to knackers if nobody wants it.


Black, palomino int; no rust; BLOWS ICE COLD; working cruise 
control, etc., ('til I start getting parts for the 124)

Good tires, etc., etc.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[WILTON]

I do appreciate the concern and the effort, but I wouldn't buy it back with 
that engine it; now, with a low miles 603.960 engine in it, it could be a 
different matter.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL


no, need to source that new head and get it running again, then I will 
sell it back to you for a hefty profit.  Can't do that with parts missing.


--R


On 8/24/13 11:58 AM, WILTON wrote:

Minus the parts that I'm gonna take?

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL



I would maybe pick it up for knacker price.

--R


On 8/23/13 6:04 PM, WILTON wrote:

$1200; bring a trailer soon.

'Been a yard ornament long enough.  Not gonna let grass and weeds grow 
up around it.  I'll start getting reserve parts for my 87 300D off it 
soon and send it to knackers if nobody wants it.


Black, palomino int; no rust; BLOWS ICE COLD; working cruise control, 
etc., ('til I start getting parts for the 124)

Good tires, etc., etc.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[WILTON]

'Plan to get an update from knackers Mon.  Month or so ago, I understood 
$10.50/100lb.; maybe I misunderstood something, but that's the way it's 
headed after I get stuff off it that may do me some good (W124 or 
otherwise), 'less somebody intervenes with appropriate reprieve.

I'll await word from knacker Mon. before anything is removed, etc.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL



Minus the parts that I'm gonna take?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL



I would maybe pick it up for knacker price.

--R


On 8/23/13 6:04 PM, WILTON wrote:

$1200; bring a trailer soon.

'Been a yard ornament long enough.  Not gonna let grass and weeds grow 
up around it.  I'll start getting reserve parts for my 87 300D off it 
soon and send it to knackers if nobody wants it.


Black, palomino int; no rust; BLOWS ICE COLD; working cruise control, 
etc., ('til I start getting parts for the 124)

Good tires, etc., etc.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Rich Thomas]

no, need to source that new head and get it running again, then I will 
sell it back to you for a hefty profit.  Can't do that with parts missing.


--R


On 8/24/13 11:58 AM, WILTON wrote:

Minus the parts that I'm gonna take?

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL



I would maybe pick it up for knacker price.

--R


On 8/23/13 6:04 PM, WILTON wrote:

$1200; bring a trailer soon.

'Been a yard ornament long enough.  Not gonna let grass and weeds 
grow up around it.  I'll start getting reserve parts for my 87 300D 
off it soon and send it to knackers if nobody wants it.


Black, palomino int; no rust; BLOWS ICE COLD; working cruise 
control, etc., ('til I start getting parts for the 124)

Good tires, etc., etc.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[WILTON]

Minus the parts that I'm gonna take?

Wilton

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From: "Rich Thomas" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL



I would maybe pick it up for knacker price.

--R


On 8/23/13 6:04 PM, WILTON wrote:

$1200; bring a trailer soon.

'Been a yard ornament long enough.  Not gonna let grass and weeds grow up 
around it.  I'll start getting reserve parts for my 87 300D off it soon 
and send it to knackers if nobody wants it.


Black, palomino int; no rust; BLOWS ICE COLD; working cruise control, 
etc., ('til I start getting parts for the 124)

Good tires, etc., etc.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Rich Thomas]

I would maybe pick it up for knacker price.

--R


On 8/23/13 6:04 PM, WILTON wrote:

$1200; bring a trailer soon.

'Been a yard ornament long enough.  Not gonna let grass and weeds grow up 
around it.  I'll start getting reserve parts for my 87 300D off it soon and 
send it to knackers if nobody wants it.

Black, palomino int; no rust; BLOWS ICE COLD; working cruise control, etc., 
('til I start getting parts for the 124)
Good tires, etc., etc.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL & knackers

[clay]

Put it on CL.  There is a good looking w140 locally with unspecified no go that 
has a $800 price.  More than you would get for junk yard pay

clay

On Aug 23, 2013, at 6:12 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> Well if that is what you are doing they will usually come get it for free, 
> course you will only get $1-200 if you are lucky 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Aug 23, 2013, at 7:53 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:
> 
>> S'pose AAA would tow the SDL to the knackers?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL & knackers

[clay]

I did ask them that question.  They refused the idea.  If it comes home or goes 
to a shop, the tow is free.  Going any other place is not kosher.

clay

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> S'pose AAA would tow the SDL to the knackers?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[clay]

I have one fully functional Benz at the moment.  That would be the w220.  The 
W124 came back from the body shop without fender and bumper/headlamp -- it may 
have a purchaser.  The w140 is going to the shop on monday for a transmission, 
but it has a battery that can not muster a full 12v.  The R107 is going to a 
mechanic to get the noisy exhaust leak dealt with at some point next week.

I do not think a non functional W126 would endear me to SWMBA.



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1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
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On Aug 23, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Michael Esh wrote:

> Same here. I am in western Michigan, plus my wife would hurt me bad if I 
> showed up with another car that "needed a little work".
> 
> Mike
> On Aug 23, 2013, at 7:17 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
> 
>> Yeah, I hear ya.  Could still be a bad flywheel gear.  If it's hydrolock, 
>> turning it backwards should temporarily clear it.
>> 
>> Too bad I'm so far away, I've got a good (or at least rebuildable) 603 
>> handy, but I don't see trailering a car to southern Indiana from Greensboro.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL & knackers

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Well if that is what you are doing they will usually come get it for free, 
course you will only get $1-200 if you are lucky 

Sent from my iPhone

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> S'pose AAA would tow the SDL to the knackers?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Michael Esh]

Same here. I am in western Michigan, plus my wife would hurt me bad if I showed 
up with another car that "needed a little work".

Mike
On Aug 23, 2013, at 7:17 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:

> Yeah, I hear ya.  Could still be a bad flywheel gear.  If it's hydrolock, 
> turning it backwards should temporarily clear it.
> 
> Too bad I'm so far away, I've got a good (or at least rebuildable) 603 handy, 
> but I don't see trailering a car to southern Indiana from Greensboro.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[WILTON]

It's GOLDSBORO - even farther.  ;<)

My thoughts, too 'bout turning it backward.
Let's see, now, how to make sure it doesn't start while "cranking" on it.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Peter Frederick" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL


Yeah, I hear ya.  Could still be a bad flywheel gear.  If it's  
hydrolock, turning it backwards should temporarily clear it.


Too bad I'm so far away, I've got a good (or at least rebuildable) 603  
handy, but I don't see trailering a car to southern Indiana from  
Greensboro.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Peter Frederick]

Yeah, I hear ya.  Could still be a bad flywheel gear.  If it's  
hydrolock, turning it backwards should temporarily clear it.


Too bad I'm so far away, I've got a good (or at least rebuildable) 603  
handy, but I don't see trailering a car to southern Indiana from  
Greensboro.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[WILTON]

My thoughts, too, but the engine obviously tries to turn - this does not 
seem to be a starter clunk - sounds like an inside the engine clunk, and I 
can see the fan try to turn a bit.  Starter is obviously not DEAD - seems 
lively and ready to go; can hear it release and try to "spin down" a very 
slight bit when key is released from START.  I did have a thought that the 
starter could be locking up on a broken gear, etc. - something.  Hydolock or 
not, I've finished with the car, but, because my basic nature is to not give 
up easily, the wrench on the PS pulley has been bugging me all day and I'll 
try that tomorrow.  I can not stand and walk safely without aid!  It is NOT 
easy at all for me to keep messing with it.  For example, those damned 
batteries are HEAVY, and I'm not gonna switch 'em again.  I've been nursing 
this car for 18 years.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Peter Frederick" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL


Before you assume the engine is hydrolocked, try to rotate it by 
something on the front of the engine (crank bolt, PS pump pulley, etc).


A solid clunk with no rotation is one of the typical symptoms of a  dead 
starter, I've replace two of them on a 603 that did that.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Peter Frederick]

Before you assume the engine is hydrolocked, try to rotate it by  
something on the front of the engine (crank bolt, PS pump pulley, etc).


A solid clunk with no rotation is one of the typical symptoms of a  
dead starter, I've replace two of them on a 603 that did that.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[WILTON]

It's in GOLDSBORO, NC 27530; ~55 mi. ESE of Raleigh, at S. end of I-795, ~20 
mi. east of I-95; also not far from I-40.


Oh, 'forgot to mention: engine is now locked up - possibly hydolock.  Known 
good, fully-charged, nearly-new ('bout 2 months old) battery from '87 300D 
will not turn engine - no grunt or groan - just a resounding CLUNK, as if 
it's rotation is prevented by something solid.


BTW, again, 'noticed an engine on ebay that I think could be a nice engine 
for it - engine from an '87 300SDL (57 kmi) - $3495.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 

To: "mercedes list" 
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:04 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 91 350SDL



$1200; bring a trailer soon.

'Been a yard ornament long enough.  Not gonna let grass and weeds grow up 
around it.  I'll start getting reserve parts for my 87 300D off it soon 
and send it to knackers if nobody wants it.


Black, palomino int; no rust; BLOWS ICE COLD; working cruise control, 
etc., ('til I start getting parts for the 124)

Good tires, etc., etc.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Michael Esh]

Where are you located Wilton?
Mike
On Aug 23, 2013, at 6:04 PM, WILTON wrote:

> $1200; bring a trailer soon.  
> 
> 'Been a yard ornament long enough.  Not gonna let grass and weeds grow up 
> around it.  I'll start getting reserve parts for my 87 300D off it soon and 
> send it to knackers if nobody wants it.
> 
> Black, palomino int; no rust; BLOWS ICE COLD; working cruise control, etc., 
> ('til I start getting parts for the 124)
> Good tires, etc., etc.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL bad news

[WILTON]

'Never heard anything about it from MB tech who did the work on it 17 years 
and 115 kmi ago.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Larry T" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL bad news


BTW, does MB mention anything about re-torquing the head bolts on those
engines?   They may call for re-torquing after a rebuild i.e. a valve
job etc. , and putting 100 miles or so on them, but for a original
engine i haven't seen anything suggesting such.

Just wondering why  head gaskets lets go after many miles of
service...   I know, stuff happens)  ;-)


Larry




On 7/15/2013 12:16 PM, WILTON wrote:

Yep; thanks.

I suspect it started few weeks ago when the 2½-year old lower rad hose 
blew, though I did not notice the temp going to redline. Temp was headed 
up fast when I shut it down.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Chris James" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL bad news




And just when you got it on the road again!!!
Sorry!

:-(


On 7/15/2013 11:30 AM, WILTON wrote:

'Been having to add a bit of water in 350SDL cooling system for
several weeks,  though car hasn't been driven much.  I fill it, go
for short drive and coolant level would be down about an inch in
overflow tank.  No leak evident. 'Been checking oil level, too,
which has been holding at about mid point on stick.  Took it out for
short drive coupla days ago.  Coolant level light came on immediately
as I backed out of its parking space.  Checked coolant level upon
return; overflow tank empty!  No leak evident!  Just went to car and
checked oil level - up to middle of upper red tab on the stick!!!  I
think I found the missing coolant!!!

Wilton



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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL bad news

[Larry T]

BTW, does MB mention anything about re-torquing the head bolts on those 
engines?   They may call for re-torquing after a rebuild i.e. a valve 
job etc. , and putting 100 miles or so on them, but for a original 
engine i haven't seen anything suggesting such.


Just wondering why  head gaskets lets go after many miles of 
service...   I know, stuff happens)  ;-)



Larry




On 7/15/2013 12:16 PM, WILTON wrote:

Yep; thanks.

I suspect it started few weeks ago when the 2½-year old lower rad hose 
blew, though I did not notice the temp going to redline. Temp was 
headed up fast when I shut it down.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Chris James" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL bad news




And just when you got it on the road again!!!
Sorry!

:-(


On 7/15/2013 11:30 AM, WILTON wrote:

'Been having to add a bit of water in 350SDL cooling system for
several weeks,  though car hasn't been driven much.  I fill it, go
for short drive and coolant level would be down about an inch in
overflow tank.  No leak evident. 'Been checking oil level, too,
which has been holding at about mid point on stick.  Took it out for
short drive coupla days ago.  Coolant level light came on immediately
as I backed out of its parking space.  Checked coolant level upon
return; overflow tank empty!  No leak evident!  Just went to car and
checked oil level - up to middle of upper red tab on the stick!!!  I
think I found the missing coolant!!!

Wilton



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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Frederick Moir]

Curt.
As I said to Dwight, "Get thee behind me."
 
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.



>
> From: Curt Raymond 
>To: Diesel List  
>Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 4:00 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
> 
>
>Flight is around a hundred bucks. It was around a hundred bucks for me to rent 
>the pickup the other day but I worked it hard. Avis says it'll be more like 
>$250 for what we'd need. Gas is probably another hundred and another hundred 
>to Uhaul I suspect. It'd be interesting to know how much it would cost to ship.
>
>Tell ya what, you've been such a good friend to me I'll foot my own flight 
>just for the adventure of the thing! We can even stay a night on the road, 
>I've got a million Holiday Inn points... ;)
>
>-Curt
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[WILTON]

Straight down I-95.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond" 

To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL


Actually on second thought Google says its not quite 12 hours from Lynn to 
Goldsboro, we'd probably be just as well off to rent the truck here and 
drive both ways. Boston Avis has better options than Raleigh anyway. ;)


-Curt

Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 12:42:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Frederick Moir 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Curt.
Whoa! The request was for photos.
I'm already one foot on thin ice and the other on a banana peel.
DO like the car though!
Nas car thayut.
?
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Curt Raymond]

Actually on second thought Google says its not quite 12 hours from Lynn to 
Goldsboro, we'd probably be just as well off to rent the truck here and drive 
both ways. Boston Avis has better options than Raleigh anyway. ;)

-Curt

Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 12:42:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Frederick Moir 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Curt.
Whoa! The request was for photos.
I'm already one foot on thin ice and the other on a banana peel.
DO like the car though!
Nas car thayut.
?
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Curt Raymond]

Flight is around a hundred bucks. It was around a hundred bucks for me to rent 
the pickup the other day but I worked it hard. Avis says it'll be more like 
$250 for what we'd need. Gas is probably another hundred and another hundred to 
Uhaul I suspect. It'd be interesting to know how much it would cost to ship.

Tell ya what, you've been such a good friend to me I'll foot my own flight just 
for the adventure of the thing! We can even stay a night on the road, I've got 
a million Holiday Inn points... ;)

-Curt

Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 12:42:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Frederick Moir 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Curt.
Whoa! The request was for photos.
I'm already one foot on thin ice and the other on a banana peel.
DO like the car though!
Nas car thayut.
?
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.

>
> From: Curt Raymond 
>To: Diesel List  
>Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 3:18 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
> 
>
>ROAD TRIP!
>
>We'll rent that Chevy I had the other day. Actually now that I think of it 
>Avis owes me a couple free weekend rentals. The flight down will be relatively 
>cheap, its maybe a 14-15 hour ride back? No sweat.
>
>I'll buy your 190D and you can honestly tell your wife you haven't gained any 
>cars.
>
>-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Frederick Moir]

Curt.
Whoa! The request was for photos.
I'm already one foot on thin ice and the other on a banana peel.
DO like the car though!
Nas car thayut.
 
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.



>
> From: Curt Raymond 
>To: Diesel List  
>Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 3:18 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
> 
>
>ROAD TRIP!
>
>We'll rent that Chevy I had the other day. Actually now that I think of it 
>Avis owes me a couple free weekend rentals. The flight down will be relatively 
>cheap, its maybe a 14-15 hour ride back? No sweat.
>
>I'll buy your 190D and you can honestly tell your wife you haven't gained any 
>cars.
>
>-Curt
>
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Curt Raymond]

ROAD TRIP!

We'll rent that Chevy I had the other day. Actually now that I think of it Avis 
owes me a couple free weekend rentals. The flight down will be relatively 
cheap, its maybe a 14-15 hour ride back? No sweat.

I'll buy your 190D and you can honestly tell your wife you haven't gained any 
cars.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 11:27:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Frederick Moir 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
Message-ID:
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Wilton.
Pretty please.
?
Fred Moir
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[WILTON]

It needs one like the one in my 124 sitting here beside it - 130 kmi.   ;<)
But it sure would be a pity for it to go to the knackers - a mighty fine 
car.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Tim Crone" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL



On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 2:25 PM, WILTON  wrote:


I was 'bout to say, "My 91 350SDL could make an excellent candidate for
transplant of '87 300D/SD/SDL engine."

How many miles on that engine, Tim?



That's a great question. :) 330k? on the chassis, but the car went through
two owners before I got it so I didn't get much history.  Could be 
anywhere

from 20K (my mileage) to 330K I suppose.  Obviously the head isn't
original, but the PO didn't know when it had been replaced, nor by whom.
He had bought it after a wreck, so I don't think he drove it very far
himself.

I do have the autocheck somewhere, but it didn't have any maintenance
history.  I wonder, would repair places update historical records?  Maybe
it would be worthwhile getting a newer one.

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Tim Crone]

On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 2:25 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> I was 'bout to say, "My 91 350SDL could make an excellent candidate for
> transplant of '87 300D/SD/SDL engine."
>
> How many miles on that engine, Tim?
>

That's a great question. :) 330k? on the chassis, but the car went through
two owners before I got it so I didn't get much history.  Could be anywhere
from 20K (my mileage) to 330K I suppose.  Obviously the head isn't
original, but the PO didn't know when it had been replaced, nor by whom.
 He had bought it after a wreck, so I don't think he drove it very far
himself.

I do have the autocheck somewhere, but it didn't have any maintenance
history.  I wonder, would repair places update historical records?  Maybe
it would be worthwhile getting a newer one.

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Frederick Moir]

Wilton.
Pretty please.
 
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.



>
> From: WILTON 
>To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 1:28 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
> 
>
>Yes, but meanwhile, I'll send a few of 'em to individuals, if ya want.
>
>Wilton
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Mitch Haley" 
>To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 1:15 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
>
>
>> WILTON wrote:
>>> I have photos if anybody cares to see 'em.
>> 
>> Send 'em to the list, Kleb should have them approved by next month.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[WILTON]

I was 'bout to say, "My 91 350SDL could make an excellent candidate for 
transplant of '87 300D/SD/SDL engine."


How many miles on that engine, Tim?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Tim Crone" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL



Bring a bigger trailer and you can get my '87 300SDL with a #22 head, too.
Could do an engine swap, or at least a head swap.  Body is scrap-worthy,
transmission works fine but not new.  I'll ask $800 OBRO, as-is where-is 
in
Chapel Hill NC 27516. (Just off I-40; you can pull the engine, and drop 
the

body at the junkyard on the way to Wilton's! :)

Best,
-Tim


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 1:28 PM, WILTON  wrote:


Yes, but meanwhile, I'll send a few of 'em to individuals, if ya want.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL



 WILTON wrote:



I have photos if anybody cares to see 'em.



Send 'em to the list, Kleb should have them approved by next month.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Tim Crone]

Bring a bigger trailer and you can get my '87 300SDL with a #22 head, too.
 Could do an engine swap, or at least a head swap.  Body is scrap-worthy,
transmission works fine but not new.  I'll ask $800 OBRO, as-is where-is in
Chapel Hill NC 27516. (Just off I-40; you can pull the engine, and drop the
body at the junkyard on the way to Wilton's! :)

Best,
-Tim


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 1:28 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> Yes, but meanwhile, I'll send a few of 'em to individuals, if ya want.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" 
>
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>
>
>
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>>> I have photos if anybody cares to see 'em.
>>>
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>>
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[WILTON]

Yes, but meanwhile, I'll send a few of 'em to individuals, if ya want.

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL



WILTON wrote:

I have photos if anybody cares to see 'em.


Send 'em to the list, Kleb should have them approved by next month.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Mitch Haley]

WILTON wrote:

I have photos if anybody cares to see 'em.


Send 'em to the list, Kleb should have them approved by next month.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[WILTON]

I have photos if anybody cares to see 'em.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 8:22 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 91 350SDL



$1800 - bring a trailer

Wilton
Goldsboro, NC

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 

To: "mercedes list" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 1:13 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Fw: 91 350SDL



This can make a mighty fine vehicle for somebody.
'Best driving/riding car I've seen during my 64 years of driving.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 

To: "mercedes list" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 10:08 PM
Subject: 91 350SDL



Oil analysis via LarryT confirms coolant in oil

Oil does not have cafe au lait, etc., look, though.

Like I said:  PLACE YOUR BIDS; BRING A TRAILER.

'91 350SDL, Purchased in 1995 @ 79 kmi; now 204.5 kmi., 040 Black, no
rust that I know of, several cracks in paint on hood, several small 
bird-doo

etchings on roof, aluminum replacement trunk lid installed Jun '12
because of vandalism, should be stripped to aluminum and repainted
appropriately for alum; palomino leather int., worn spot at lower left
corner of driver backrest, torn seam on top of rear seat backrest.

Usually starts with just a touch of the starter
Cruise and climate control work nicely.

Following is a list of several repairs, etc., in addition to the usual
Mobil 1 oil, filters, glow plugs,  alignments, balancing, and lots of
other stuff during 18 years that I don't remember:

Broken timing chain in Apr '96; new timing chain, several valves, 
lifters,
shaved head, gasket, etc., -- bunch of stuff I don't remember --  May 
'96, 89 kmi

Hit deer in Jun '96; R & R left headlight assembly, LF door and fender;
repairs to LF corner of hood; repainted hood, LF door and fender.
Windshield replaced w/PPG unit Jun '99
Mobil 1 since '01
Shutdown actuator May '01
Inj. Pump seal rings Jun '01
Ign. tumbler Aug '01,  148 kmi
New radiator and hoses Dec '02
New blower fan and controller/"porcupine" in '03, 162 kmi
Bilstein shocks, sway bar links, shift link bushings in '04
Michelin tires; lower ball joints & tie rod ends Oct '04,  175 kmi
Tranny rebuilt Jun '07,  186 kmi
Precautionary timing chain R & R  Mar '09, 191 kmi
Power steering pump ~ '10
Glow plugs, thermostat, rad hose, belt Sep '10
AC exp valve, dryer, switches Sep '10
Brake pads ~'11, 197 kmi
Rear windshield  Apr '12
Lower rad hose  Jun '13

Radio inop - disconnected because of trickle draw on bat - sending
retraction signal to fully retracted antenna.
Clock inop

Wilton




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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Yes true. Would find that out when the head was pulled I suppose 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 6, 2013, at 1:54 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

> I'd be more worried about bend rod/ovaled cylinder.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 6, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Larry T  wrote:
> 
>> How difficult is a head gasket change?
>> 
>> Larry
>> 
>> On 8/6/2013 12:55 PM, WILTON wrote:
>>> Oil analysis via LarryT confirms coolant in oil; negligible fuel;
>>> 
>>> Oil does not have cafe au lait, etc., look, though.
>>> 
>>> Like I said:  PLACE YOUR BIDS; BRING A TRAILER.
>>> 
>>> No rust that I know of.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[dseretakis]

I'd be more worried about bend rod/ovaled cylinder.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 6, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Larry T  wrote:

> How difficult is a head gasket change?
> 
> Larry
> 
> On 8/6/2013 12:55 PM, WILTON wrote:
>> Oil analysis via LarryT confirms coolant in oil; negligible fuel;
>> 
>> Oil does not have cafe au lait, etc., look, though.
>> 
>> Like I said:  PLACE YOUR BIDS; BRING A TRAILER.
>> 
>> No rust that I know of.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Larry T]

How difficult is a head gasket change?

Larry

On 8/6/2013 12:55 PM, WILTON wrote:

Oil analysis via LarryT confirms coolant in oil; negligible fuel;

Oil does not have cafe au lait, etc., look, though.

Like I said:  PLACE YOUR BIDS; BRING A TRAILER.

No rust that I know of.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Craig]

On Tue, 6 Aug 2013 12:55:24 -0400 "WILTON"  wrote:

> Oil analysis via LarryT confirms coolant in oil; negligible fuel;
> 
> Oil does not have cafe au lait, etc., look, though.
> 
> Like I said:  PLACE YOUR BIDS; BRING A TRAILER.
> 
> No rust that I know of.

That's too bad.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[WILTON]

Just took it on about an 8-mile drive; 'best I can tell, lost no coolant.
We'll see what oil analysis says.  USPS says kit'll be here today - we'll 
see.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" ; "rich Thomas" 


Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL


It doesn't seem to be losing coolant now; I'll put some more oil in it and 
try it a bit again tomorrow.

Idles and runs nicely; 'fraid to drive it so much with fuel in the oil.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 
To: "mercedes list" ; "Rich Thomas" 


Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 2:16 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 91 350SDL



PLACE YOUR BIDS; BRING A TRAILER

I lost a lot of confidence in the car the day the timing chain broke at 
89 kmi in April 1996.  'Few days later, learned about many other owners' 
problems with same engine -- rod-bender, etc.  Many of you have noticed 
that I've many times said, "Car doing well - just keeping my fingers 
crossed."  The car is a fantastic cruiser - best riding/driving car I've 
had during 60 years of car ownership.  I was terribly disappointed the 
day it "dropped" me on the road catastrophically - only car that's ever 
done that.  I just can not feel "at ease" travelling long distances in 
it. After getting the transmission rebuilt several years ago at 186 kmi 
and repairing the vandalism to it in March 2012, I decided that I would 
let it go at the next major failure/expense.  I'm afraid this is it. 
Meanwhile, it has spent most of the last 4 or 5 years just sitting 
collecting bird doo that I have to wash off coupla times a week; we drive 
it only occasionally, mainly, to keep the battery from going completely 
dead; we've driven it only about 7 kmi in last couple of years or more. 
I'm not physically able to keep it clean and waxed like I want to and the 
way it should be.  We're gonna see how it goes with just one car for a 
while.


PLACE YOUR BIDS; BRING A TRAILER.

'91 350SDL, Purchased in 1995 @ 79 kmi; now 204.5 kmi., 040 Black, no 
rust that I know of, cracks in paint on hood, several small bird-doo 
etchings on roof, aluminum replacement trunk lid, installed Jun '12 
because of vandalism, should be stripped to aluminum and repainted 
appropriately for alum.; palomino leather int., worn spot at lower left 
corner of driver backrest, torn seam on top of rear seat backrest.


'Been using and leaking some oil for last couple of years

Fuel in oil - unable to confirm coolant in oil; head may be OK.

Usually starts with just a touch of the starter
Cruise and climate control work nicely.

Following is a list of several repairs, etc., in addition to the usual 
Mobil 1 oil, filters, glow plugs,  alignments, balancing, and lots of 
other stuff during 18 years that I don't remember:


New timing chain, several valves, lifters, shaved head, gasket, etc., --  
bunch of stuff --  May '96, 89 kmi
Hit deer in Jun '96; R & R left headlight assembly, LF door and fender; 
repairs to LF corner of hood; repainted hood, LF door and fender.

Windshield replaced w/PPG unit Jun '99
Mobil 1 since '01
Shutdown actuator May '01
Inj. Pump seal rings Jun '01
Ign. tumbler Aug '01,  148 kmi
New radiator and hoses Dec '02
New blower fan and controller/"porcupine" in '03, 162 kmi
Bilstein shocks, sway bar links, shift link bushings in '04
Michelin tires; lower ball joints & tie rod ends Oct '04,  175 kmi
Tranny rebuilt Jun '07,  186 kmi
Precautionary timing chain R & R  Mar '09, 191 kmi
Power steering pump ~ '10
Glow plugs, thermostat, rad hose, belt Sep '10
AC exp valve, dryer, switches Sep '10
Brake pads ~'11, 197 kmi
Rear windshield  Apr '12
Lower rad hose  Jun '13

Radio inop - disconnected because of trickle draw on bat - sending 
retraction signal to fully retracted antenna.

Clock inop

Wilton



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Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news (OIL ANALYSIS QUESTION)

[Larry T]

Ditto -- find a quality oil and forget the snake oils - be patient - I 
have heard about gunk buildupin Quaker State Oils but that's just 
anecdotal..


I have started using Amsoil and have been happy with it...  speaking of 
which, it's time for an analysis...  ;-)


Larry
On 7/22/2013 12:28 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
For dino oils, Penzoil used to be bad about gunk buildup.  Havoline 
never caused problems in my experience.


As Larry says, use the proper oil and change it at more frequent 
intervals for a while.  I think M1 will clean the gunk out over time. 
I do NOT have experience with engines that are started, driven a block 
or two and shut off.  (severe duty)  If the car has that kind of 
history, then for sure, re-read Larry's advice.


I would NOT be dumping any kind of snake oil (or brake cleaner) in the 
crankcase for any purpose.  Bardahl and Rislone used to make additives 
for this purpose with old 'merkun iron, but I would NOT use either in 
a modern MB with the current tight tolerances.  YMMV




Not off topic at all!  If I understand your description of the gunk 
around the filler cap it sounds like it may be condensation which is 
normally forced to evaporate when the engine is driven long enough to 
get fully warmed up and stay warmed up for several miles.   If the 
sludge is kind of grayish and the consistency of jello it may be 
condensation.   If not, never mind. ;-)   But in any case, sludge 
should not be forming on a engine receiving regular oil changes. 
Perhaps the PO failed to change the oil at regular intervals?   I'm 
not familiar with the sensors MB uses to tell owners when to change 
their oil but if it goes more than 9000 miles or so I'd get antsy and 
change it anyway.We've done a number of TBN tests of various oils 
and the Total Base Number starts to be depleted after around 9000 
miles.  I know, some people go more miles than that without apparent 
problems but that's what the lab numbers say. Of course, different 
oils, weights, sub brands, and other factors contribute to different 
TBNs and their depletion rate.Total Base Number is a measure of 
the oils ability to neutralize the acids that are created by the 
combustion process.


So it's a difference between black gooey stuff and a creamy 
grayish stuff.   If it's black and gooey IMO oil changes have been 
neglected.  If it's grayish and creamy, it's not being fully warmed 
up.


Condensation is a common problem for people who start their car, 
drive a couple of miles to work/school or whatever and shut it down.


I don't know what your driving habits are (or more likely the 
PO's) but if an engine is going to be started, it needs to be driven 
until it is warm, then maintain that heat for a while - this will 
force evaporate any moisture that condenses overnight. If the 
thermostat is not working properly the engine can fail to reach 
operating temp - my 91 300D was like this when we bought it and it 
never got above 160F - but this was winter in Va.


LarryT
91 300D
The Oil Analysis Co.
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Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news

[clay]

yes

This was for Kaleb and Mao

On Jul 21, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Craig wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 12:41:08 -0700 clay  wrote:
> 
>> I do not have a shop or large enough garage.  We can get the job done
>> with in the driveway or street.  I have ramps, jacks, and stands.  A
>> reasonable set of tools on hand.  Pretty sure we can do the job, as
>> long as you take the lead.  
> 
> Did you write this to Wilton (the originator of the thread)? If so, he's
> on the other coast  Otherwise, quote the sender's name along with the
> text.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news (OIL ANALYSIS QUESTION)

[Dieselhead]

For dino oils, Penzoil used to be bad about gunk buildup.  Havoline 
never caused problems in my experience.


As Larry says, use the proper oil and change it at more frequent 
intervals for a while.  I think M1 will clean the gunk out over time. 
I do NOT have experience with engines that are started, driven a 
block or two and shut off.  (severe duty)  If the car has that kind 
of history, then for sure, re-read Larry's advice.


I would NOT be dumping any kind of snake oil (or brake cleaner) in 
the crankcase for any purpose.  Bardahl and Rislone used to make 
additives for this purpose with old 'merkun iron, but I would NOT use 
either in a modern MB with the current tight tolerances.  YMMV




Not off topic at all!  If I understand your description of the gunk 
around the filler cap it sounds like it may be condensation which is 
normally forced to evaporate when the engine is driven long enough 
to get fully warmed up and stay warmed up for several miles.   If 
the sludge is kind of grayish and the consistency of jello it may be 
condensation.   If not, never mind. ;-)   But in any case, sludge 
should not be forming on a engine receiving regular oil changes. 
Perhaps the PO failed to change the oil at regular intervals?   I'm 
not familiar with the sensors MB uses to tell owners when to change 
their oil but if it goes more than 9000 miles or so I'd get antsy 
and change it anyway.We've done a number of TBN tests of various 
oils and the Total Base Number starts to be depleted after around 
9000 miles.  I know, some people go more miles than that without 
apparent problems but that's what the lab numbers say. Of course, 
different oils, weights, sub brands, and other factors contribute to 
different TBNs and their depletion rate.Total Base Number is a 
measure of the oils ability to neutralize the acids that are created 
by the combustion process.


So it's a difference between black gooey stuff and a creamy 
grayish stuff.   If it's black and gooey IMO oil changes have been 
neglected.  If it's grayish and creamy, it's not being fully warmed 
up.


Condensation is a common problem for people who start their car, 
drive a couple of miles to work/school or whatever and shut it down.


I don't know what your driving habits are (or more likely  the 
PO's) but if an engine is going to be started, it needs to be driven 
until it is warm, then maintain that heat for a while - this will 
force evaporate any moisture that condenses overnight. If the 
thermostat is not working properly the engine can fail to reach 
operating temp - my 91 300D was like this when we bought it and it 
never got above 160F - but this was winter in Va.


LarryT
91 300D
The Oil Analysis Co.
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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[WILTON]

'Made sure it had some good oil in it late afternoon yesterday and took it 
on about a 10-mile drive; no overheating; just checked coolant level this 
morning; as best I can tell, it lost no coolant on the drive and overnight. 
Coolant level at full mark in overflow tank before drive and this morning.

Engine runs smoothly; drives/rides superbly, as usual.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" ; "rich Thomas" 


Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL


It doesn't seem to be losing coolant now; I'll put some more oil in it and 
try it a bit again tomorrow.

Idles and runs nicely; 'fraid to drive it so much with fuel in the oil.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 
To: "mercedes list" ; "Rich Thomas" 


Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 2:16 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 91 350SDL



PLACE YOUR BIDS; BRING A TRAILER

I lost a lot of confidence in the car the day the timing chain broke at 
89 kmi in April 1996.  'Few days later, learned about many other owners' 
problems with same engine -- rod-bender, etc.  Many of you have noticed 
that I've many times said, "Car doing well - just keeping my fingers 
crossed."  The car is a fantastic cruiser - best riding/driving car I've 
had during 60 years of car ownership.  I was terribly disappointed the 
day it "dropped" me on the road catastrophically - only car that's ever 
done that.  I just can not feel "at ease" travelling long distances in 
it. After getting the transmission rebuilt several years ago at 186 kmi 
and repairing the vandalism to it in March 2012, I decided that I would 
let it go at the next major failure/expense.  I'm afraid this is it. 
Meanwhile, it has spent most of the last 4 or 5 years just sitting 
collecting bird doo that I have to wash off coupla times a week; we drive 
it only occasionally, mainly, to keep the battery from going completely 
dead; we've driven it only about 7 kmi in last couple of years or more. 
I'm not physically able to keep it clean and waxed like I want to and the 
way it should be.  We're gonna see how it goes with just one car for a 
while.


PLACE YOUR BIDS; BRING A TRAILER.

'91 350SDL, Purchased in 1995 @ 79 kmi; now 204.5 kmi., 040 Black, no 
rust that I know of, cracks in paint on hood, several small bird-doo 
etchings on roof, aluminum replacement trunk lid, installed Jun '12 
because of vandalism, should be stripped to aluminum and repainted 
appropriately for alum.; palomino leather int., worn spot at lower left 
corner of driver backrest, torn seam on top of rear seat backrest.


'Been using and leaking some oil for last couple of years

Fuel in oil - unable to confirm coolant in oil; head may be OK.

Usually starts with just a touch of the starter
Cruise and climate control work nicely.

Following is a list of several repairs, etc., in addition to the usual 
Mobil 1 oil, filters, glow plugs,  alignments, balancing, and lots of 
other stuff during 18 years that I don't remember:


New timing chain, several valves, lifters, shaved head, gasket, etc., --  
bunch of stuff --  May '96, 89 kmi
Hit deer in Jun '96; R & R left headlight assembly, LF door and fender; 
repairs to LF corner of hood; repainted hood, LF door and fender.

Windshield replaced w/PPG unit Jun '99
Mobil 1 since '01
Shutdown actuator May '01
Inj. Pump seal rings Jun '01
Ign. tumbler Aug '01,  148 kmi
New radiator and hoses Dec '02
New blower fan and controller/"porcupine" in '03, 162 kmi
Bilstein shocks, sway bar links, shift link bushings in '04
Michelin tires; lower ball joints & tie rod ends Oct '04,  175 kmi
Tranny rebuilt Jun '07,  186 kmi
Precautionary timing chain R & R  Mar '09, 191 kmi
Power steering pump ~ '10
Glow plugs, thermostat, rad hose, belt Sep '10
AC exp valve, dryer, switches Sep '10
Brake pads ~'11, 197 kmi
Rear windshield  Apr '12
Lower rad hose  Jun '13

Radio inop - disconnected because of trickle draw on bat - sending 
retraction signal to fully retracted antenna.

Clock inop

Wilton



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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Randy Bennell]

Very good.

Randy

On 22/07/2013 10:56 AM, WILTON wrote:

Test kit en route from Larry T.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL




I still say you need to test it a bit more.
The value on sale will depend on what is wrong with it.

Randy




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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[WILTON]

Test kit en route from Larry T.

Wilton

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From: "Randy Bennell" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL




I still say you need to test it a bit more.
The value on sale will depend on what is wrong with it.

Randy

On 21/07/2013 1:16 PM, WILTON wrote:

PLACE YOUR BIDS; BRING A TRAILER

I lost a lot of confidence in the car the day the timing chain broke at 
89 kmi in April 1996.  'Few days later, learned about many other owners' 
problems with same engine -- rod-bender, etc.  Many of you have noticed 
that I've many times said, "Car doing well - just keeping my fingers 
crossed."  The car is a fantastic cruiser - best riding/driving car I've 
had during 60 years of car ownership.  I was terribly disappointed the 
day it "dropped" me on the road catastrophically - only car that's ever 
done that.  I just can not feel "at ease" travelling long distances in 
it.  After getting the transmission rebuilt several years ago at 186 kmi 
and repairing the vandalism to it in March 2012, I decided that I would 
let it go at the next major failure/expense.  I'm afraid this is it. 
Meanwhile, it has spent most of the last 4 or 5 years just sitting 
collecting bird doo that I have to wash off coupla times a week; we drive 
it only occasionally, mainly, to keep the battery from going completely 
dead; we've driven it only about 7 kmi in last couple of years or more. 
I'm not physically able to keep it clean and waxed like I want to and the 
way it should be.  We're gonna see how it goes with just one car for a 
while.


PLACE YOUR BIDS; BRING A TRAILER.

'91 350SDL, Purchased in 1995 @ 79 kmi; now 204.5 kmi., 040 Black, no 
rust that I know of, cracks in paint on hood, several small bird-doo 
etchings on roof, aluminum replacement trunk lid, installed Jun '12 
because of vandalism, should be stripped to aluminum and repainted 
appropriately for alum.; palomino leather int., worn spot at lower left 
corner of driver backrest, torn seam on top of rear seat backrest.


'Been using and leaking some oil for last couple of years

Fuel in oil - unable to confirm coolant in oil; head may be OK.

Usually starts with just a touch of the starter
Cruise and climate control work nicely.

Following is a list of several repairs, etc., in addition to the usual 
Mobil 1 oil, filters, glow plugs,  alignments, balancing, and lots of 
other stuff during 18 years that I don't remember:


New timing chain, several valves, lifters, shaved head, gasket, etc., --  
bunch of stuff --  May '96, 89 kmi
Hit deer in Jun '96; R & R left headlight assembly, LF door and fender; 
repairs to LF corner of hood; repainted hood, LF door and fender.

Windshield replaced w/PPG unit Jun '99
Mobil 1 since '01
Shutdown actuator May '01
Inj. Pump seal rings Jun '01
Ign. tumbler Aug '01,  148 kmi
New radiator and hoses Dec '02
New blower fan and controller/"porcupine" in '03, 162 kmi
Bilstein shocks, sway bar links, shift link bushings in '04
Michelin tires; lower ball joints & tie rod ends Oct '04,  175 kmi
Tranny rebuilt Jun '07,  186 kmi
Precautionary timing chain R & R  Mar '09, 191 kmi
Power steering pump ~ '10
Glow plugs, thermostat, rad hose, belt Sep '10
AC exp valve, dryer, switches Sep '10
Brake pads ~'11, 197 kmi
Rear windshield  Apr '12
Lower rad hose  Jun '13

Radio inop - disconnected because of trickle draw on bat - sending 
retraction signal to fully retracted antenna.

Clock inop

Wilton



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Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

[Randy Bennell]

I still say you need to test it a bit more.
The value on sale will depend on what is wrong with it.

Randy

On 21/07/2013 1:16 PM, WILTON wrote:

PLACE YOUR BIDS; BRING A TRAILER

I lost a lot of confidence in the car the day the timing chain broke at 89 kmi in April 1996.  'Few days 
later, learned about many other owners' problems with same engine -- rod-bender, etc.  Many of you have 
noticed that I've many times said, "Car doing well - just keeping my fingers crossed."  The car is 
a fantastic cruiser - best riding/driving car I've had during 60 years of car ownership.  I was terribly 
disappointed the day it "dropped" me on the road catastrophically - only car that's ever done that. 
 I just can not feel "at ease" travelling long distances in it.  After getting the transmission 
rebuilt several years ago at 186 kmi and repairing the vandalism to it in March 2012, I decided that I would 
let it go at the next major failure/expense.  I'm afraid this is it.  Meanwhile, it has spent most of the 
last 4 or 5 years just sitting collecting bird doo that I have to wash off coupla times a week; we drive it 
only occasionally, mainly, to keep the battery from going comple

tely dead; we've driven it only about 7 kmi in last couple of years or more.  
I'm not physically able to keep it clean and waxed like I want to and the way 
it should be.  We're gonna see how it goes with just one car for a while.


PLACE YOUR BIDS; BRING A TRAILER.

'91 350SDL, Purchased in 1995 @ 79 kmi; now 204.5 kmi., 040 Black, no rust that 
I know of, cracks in paint on hood, several small bird-doo etchings on roof, 
aluminum replacement trunk lid, installed Jun '12 because of vandalism, should 
be stripped to aluminum and repainted appropriately for alum.; palomino leather 
int., worn spot at lower left corner of driver backrest, torn seam on top of 
rear seat backrest.

'Been using and leaking some oil for last couple of years

Fuel in oil - unable to confirm coolant in oil; head may be OK.

Usually starts with just a touch of the starter
Cruise and climate control work nicely.

Following is a list of several repairs, etc., in addition to the usual Mobil 1 
oil, filters, glow plugs,  alignments, balancing, and lots of other stuff 
during 18 years that I don't remember:

New timing chain, several valves, lifters, shaved head, gasket, etc., -- bunch 
of stuff --  May '96, 89 kmi
Hit deer in Jun '96; R & R left headlight assembly, LF door and fender; repairs 
to LF corner of hood; repainted hood, LF door and fender.
Windshield replaced w/PPG unit Jun '99
Mobil 1 since '01
Shutdown actuator May '01
Inj. Pump seal rings Jun '01
Ign. tumbler Aug '01,  148 kmi
New radiator and hoses Dec '02
New blower fan and controller/"porcupine" in '03, 162 kmi
Bilstein shocks, sway bar links, shift link bushings in '04
Michelin tires; lower ball joints & tie rod ends Oct '04,  175 kmi
Tranny rebuilt Jun '07,  186 kmi
Precautionary timing chain R & R  Mar '09, 191 kmi
Power steering pump ~ '10
Glow plugs, thermostat, rad hose, belt Sep '10
AC exp valve, dryer, switches Sep '10
Brake pads ~'11, 197 kmi
Rear windshield  Apr '12
Lower rad hose  Jun '13

Radio inop - disconnected because of trickle draw on bat - sending retraction 
signal to fully retracted antenna.
Clock inop

Wilton



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