Re: [MBZ] Comfort Level with Older Tires

2022-08-10 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
Regular use helps.  Tires that just sit seem to rot.
Partly why I like loaning out the car trailer to the
neighbors.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Comfort Level with Older Tires

2022-08-09 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes 
303 Aerospace Protectant.

Not sure how often you would need to reapply.


On Tue, Aug 9, 2022, at 15:20, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> There must be some sort of sealant that you could spray on tires to 
> protect them from UV if you are not able to park indoors.
>
> Randy
>
>
> On 09/08/2022 3:11 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> When I was at the vast northern estate last week I noticed a bunch of pickup 
>> trucks parked with covers over the tires. I expect these are plow trucks 
>> that are rarely used in the summer time and the covers protect the tires 
>> from the UVs.
>>
>> I'm REALLY pleased we get to park both the tractors inside now. Tractor 
>> tires are expensive. A couple years ago we got a new tire and rim on the 
>> Super M. Including the fluid fill and call out charge it was right on 
>> $1200...
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 02:58:34 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Same with Florida *if* the vehicle is stored outside. In this case, Bob just 
>> got this back from Dad, who was in Peoria, IL, if I recall correctly.
>>
>> -D
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 2:55 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>
>> As an Arizona resident, I have a 5 year hard line on life of tires. The UV
>> exposure in AZ cooks the sidewall rubber to the point of failure. I have
>> had 4 tires simply explode from sidewall failure while parked. All were
>> past the 5 year life limit. Had the vehicles been loaded, at highway speed,
>> the outcome would not have been good.. or, likely survivable.
>> It's your safety, so you decide.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 11:46 AM dan penoff.com via 
>> Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> I would agree with Greg. Since Dad was in IL most of the time, I suspect
>> the sidewalls are in good shape. I would inspect them closely for cracking,
>> and if they look good, don’t worry about it at this point.
>>
>> -D
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 1:46 PM, greg via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> I would say that climate conditions are a critical factor. Heat and UV are
>> the primary enemies. I would think a truck stored outdoors in AZ would age
>> tires much faster than here in the PNW.
>>
>> I would certainly inspect closely for signs of heat/sunlight damage.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> My â?~05 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins  has 60K mile Michelins on it
>> that were made third week of 2016. Between my dad I there have been 40k
>> miles put on them. They are wearing well.
>> When do I need to get nervous about the straight up age of the tires?
>> Citing that data should I be concerned taking off for a roadtrip to
>> Colorado on those tires?
>>
>> AZBob
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Comfort Level with Older Tires

2022-08-09 Thread G Mann via Mercedes 
The special sealant is only available in northern climates and it is only
available during the winter months. It's called "snow" and works best when
applied with deep cloud cover that limits sunlight to 3 hrs per day.
"Snow" protectant is supplemented by use of "salt induced deep corrosion
additive" which causes cars to be parked inside all winter and only driven
during "High Mosquito season" .
[Sarcasm intended].. ;))

On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 1:21 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> There must be some sort of sealant that you could spray on tires to
> protect them from UV if you are not able to park indoors.
>
> Randy
>
>
> On 09/08/2022 3:11 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > When I was at the vast northern estate last week I noticed a bunch of
> pickup trucks parked with covers over the tires. I expect these are plow
> trucks that are rarely used in the summer time and the covers protect the
> tires from the UVs.
> >
> > I'm REALLY pleased we get to park both the tractors inside now. Tractor
> tires are expensive. A couple years ago we got a new tire and rim on the
> Super M. Including the fluid fill and call out charge it was right on
> $1200...
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 02:58:34 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via
> Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Same with Florida *if* the vehicle is stored outside. In this case, Bob
> just got this back from Dad, who was in Peoria, IL, if I recall correctly.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > On Aug 9, 2022, at 2:55 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  > wrote:
> >
> > As an Arizona resident, I have a 5 year hard line on life of tires. The
> UV
> > exposure in AZ cooks the sidewall rubber to the point of failure. I have
> > had 4 tires simply explode from sidewall failure while parked. All were
> > past the 5 year life limit. Had the vehicles been loaded, at highway
> speed,
> > the outcome would not have been good.. or, likely survivable.
> > It's your safety, so you decide.
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 11:46 AM dan penoff.com via
> Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I would agree with Greg. Since Dad was in IL most of the time, I suspect
> > the sidewalls are in good shape. I would inspect them closely for
> cracking,
> > and if they look good, don’t worry about it at this point.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > On Aug 9, 2022, at 1:46 PM, greg via Mercedes  
> > > wrote:
> >
> > I would say that climate conditions are a critical factor. Heat and UV
> are
> > the primary enemies. I would think a truck stored outdoors in AZ would
> age
> > tires much faster than here in the PNW.
> >
> > I would certainly inspect closely for signs of heat/sunlight damage.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > My â?~05 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins  has 60K mile Michelins on it
> > that were made third week of 2016. Between my dad I there have been 40k
> > miles put on them. They are wearing well.
> > When do I need to get nervous about the straight up age of the tires?
> > Citing that data should I be concerned taking off for a roadtrip to
> > Colorado on those tires?
> >
> > AZBob
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Comfort Level with Older Tires

2022-08-09 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
303 offers a “tire protectant and balm” product that blocks UV, but if it was 
exposed to the elements I suspect you would have to reapply regularly.

-D

> On Aug 9, 2022, at 4:20 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There must be some sort of sealant that you could spray on tires to protect 
> them from UV if you are not able to park indoors.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
> On 09/08/2022 3:11 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> When I was at the vast northern estate last week I noticed a bunch of pickup 
>> trucks parked with covers over the tires. I expect these are plow trucks 
>> that are rarely used in the summer time and the covers protect the tires 
>> from the UVs.
>> 
>> I'm REALLY pleased we get to park both the tractors inside now. Tractor 
>> tires are expensive. A couple years ago we got a new tire and rim on the 
>> Super M. Including the fluid fill and call out charge it was right on 
>> $1200...
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 02:58:34 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Same with Florida *if* the vehicle is stored outside. In this case, Bob just 
>> got this back from Dad, who was in Peoria, IL, if I recall correctly.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 2:55 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> As an Arizona resident, I have a 5 year hard line on life of tires. The UV
>> exposure in AZ cooks the sidewall rubber to the point of failure. I have
>> had 4 tires simply explode from sidewall failure while parked. All were
>> past the 5 year life limit. Had the vehicles been loaded, at highway speed,
>> the outcome would not have been good.. or, likely survivable.
>> It's your safety, so you decide.
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 11:46 AM dan penoff.com via 
>> Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I would agree with Greg. Since Dad was in IL most of the time, I suspect
>> the sidewalls are in good shape. I would inspect them closely for cracking,
>> and if they look good, don’t worry about it at this point.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 1:46 PM, greg via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> I would say that climate conditions are a critical factor. Heat and UV are
>> the primary enemies. I would think a truck stored outdoors in AZ would age
>> tires much faster than here in the PNW.
>> 
>> I would certainly inspect closely for signs of heat/sunlight damage.
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> My â?~05 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins  has 60K mile Michelins on it
>> that were made third week of 2016. Between my dad I there have been 40k
>> miles put on them. They are wearing well.
>> When do I need to get nervous about the straight up age of the tires?
>> Citing that data should I be concerned taking off for a roadtrip to
>> Colorado on those tires?
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Comfort Level with Older Tires

2022-08-09 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
There must be some sort of sealant that you could spray on tires to 
protect them from UV if you are not able to park indoors.


Randy


On 09/08/2022 3:11 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

When I was at the vast northern estate last week I noticed a bunch of pickup 
trucks parked with covers over the tires. I expect these are plow trucks that 
are rarely used in the summer time and the covers protect the tires from the 
UVs.

I'm REALLY pleased we get to park both the tractors inside now. Tractor tires 
are expensive. A couple years ago we got a new tire and rim on the Super M. 
Including the fluid fill and call out charge it was right on $1200...

-Curt




On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 02:58:34 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:





Same with Florida *if* the vehicle is stored outside. In this case, Bob just 
got this back from Dad, who was in Peoria, IL, if I recall correctly.

-D

On Aug 9, 2022, at 2:55 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

As an Arizona resident, I have a 5 year hard line on life of tires. The UV
exposure in AZ cooks the sidewall rubber to the point of failure. I have
had 4 tires simply explode from sidewall failure while parked. All were
past the 5 year life limit. Had the vehicles been loaded, at highway speed,
the outcome would not have been good.. or, likely survivable.
It's your safety, so you decide.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 11:46 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
<
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I would agree with Greg. Since Dad was in IL most of the time, I suspect
the sidewalls are in good shape. I would inspect them closely for cracking,
and if they look good, don’t worry about it at this point.

-D

On Aug 9, 2022, at 1:46 PM, greg via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:

I would say that climate conditions are a critical factor. Heat and UV are
the primary enemies. I would think a truck stored outdoors in AZ would age
tires much faster than here in the PNW.

I would certainly inspect closely for signs of heat/sunlight damage.

Greg

My â?~05 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins  has 60K mile Michelins on it
that were made third week of 2016. Between my dad I there have been 40k
miles put on them. They are wearing well.
When do I need to get nervous about the straight up age of the tires?
Citing that data should I be concerned taking off for a roadtrip to
Colorado on those tires?

AZBob




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Re: [MBZ] Comfort Level with Older Tires

2022-08-09 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
When I was at the vast northern estate last week I noticed a bunch of pickup 
trucks parked with covers over the tires. I expect these are plow trucks that 
are rarely used in the summer time and the covers protect the tires from the 
UVs.

I'm REALLY pleased we get to park both the tractors inside now. Tractor tires 
are expensive. A couple years ago we got a new tire and rim on the Super M. 
Including the fluid fill and call out charge it was right on $1200...

-Curt




On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 02:58:34 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





Same with Florida *if* the vehicle is stored outside. In this case, Bob just 
got this back from Dad, who was in Peoria, IL, if I recall correctly.

-D

On Aug 9, 2022, at 2:55 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

As an Arizona resident, I have a 5 year hard line on life of tires. The UV
exposure in AZ cooks the sidewall rubber to the point of failure. I have
had 4 tires simply explode from sidewall failure while parked. All were
past the 5 year life limit. Had the vehicles been loaded, at highway speed,
the outcome would not have been good.. or, likely survivable.
It's your safety, so you decide.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 11:46 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
<
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I would agree with Greg. Since Dad was in IL most of the time, I suspect
the sidewalls are in good shape. I would inspect them closely for cracking,
and if they look good, don’t worry about it at this point.

-D

On Aug 9, 2022, at 1:46 PM, greg via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:

I would say that climate conditions are a critical factor. Heat and UV are
the primary enemies. I would think a truck stored outdoors in AZ would age
tires much faster than here in the PNW.

I would certainly inspect closely for signs of heat/sunlight damage.

Greg

My â?~05 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins  has 60K mile Michelins on it
that were made third week of 2016. Between my dad I there have been 40k
miles put on them. They are wearing well.
When do I need to get nervous about the straight up age of the tires?
Citing that data should I be concerned taking off for a roadtrip to
Colorado on those tires?

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] Comfort Level with Older Tires

2022-08-09 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
Same with Florida *if* the vehicle is stored outside. In this case, Bob just 
got this back from Dad, who was in Peoria, IL, if I recall correctly.

-D

On Aug 9, 2022, at 2:55 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

As an Arizona resident, I have a 5 year hard line on life of tires. The UV
exposure in AZ cooks the sidewall rubber to the point of failure. I have
had 4 tires simply explode from sidewall failure while parked. All were
past the 5 year life limit. Had the vehicles been loaded, at highway speed,
the outcome would not have been good.. or, likely survivable.
It's your safety, so you decide.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 11:46 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
<
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I would agree with Greg. Since Dad was in IL most of the time, I suspect
the sidewalls are in good shape. I would inspect them closely for cracking,
and if they look good, don’t worry about it at this point.

-D

On Aug 9, 2022, at 1:46 PM, greg via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:

I would say that climate conditions are a critical factor. Heat and UV are
the primary enemies. I would think a truck stored outdoors in AZ would age
tires much faster than here in the PNW.

I would certainly inspect closely for signs of heat/sunlight damage.

Greg

My â?~05 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins  has 60K mile Michelins on it
that were made third week of 2016. Between my dad I there have been 40k
miles put on them. They are wearing well.
When do I need to get nervous about the straight up age of the tires?
Citing that data should I be concerned taking off for a roadtrip to
Colorado on those tires?

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] Comfort Level with Older Tires

2022-08-09 Thread G Mann via Mercedes 
As an Arizona resident, I have a 5 year hard line on life of tires. The UV
exposure in AZ cooks the sidewall rubber to the point of failure. I have
had 4 tires simply explode from sidewall failure while parked. All were
past the 5 year life limit. Had the vehicles been loaded, at highway speed,
the outcome would not have been good.. or, likely survivable.
It's your safety, so you decide.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 11:46 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I would agree with Greg. Since Dad was in IL most of the time, I suspect
> the sidewalls are in good shape. I would inspect them closely for cracking,
> and if they look good, don’t worry about it at this point.
>
> -D
>
> On Aug 9, 2022, at 1:46 PM, greg via Mercedes  > wrote:
>
> I would say that climate conditions are a critical factor. Heat and UV are
> the primary enemies. I would think a truck stored outdoors in AZ would age
> tires much faster than here in the PNW.
>
> I would certainly inspect closely for signs of heat/sunlight damage.
>
> Greg
>
> My â?~05 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins  has 60K mile Michelins on it
> that were made third week of 2016. Between my dad I there have been 40k
> miles put on them. They are wearing well.
> When do I need to get nervous about the straight up age of the tires?
> Citing that data should I be concerned taking off for a roadtrip to
> Colorado on those tires?
>
> AZBob
>
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Re: [MBZ] Comfort Level with Older Tires

2022-08-09 Thread OK Don via Mercedes 
My F150 owners manual says 7 years, then replace regardless of miles. Our
truck spends most of the time in the garage and only has 19,000 miles, so
I'm going to go 10 years, then look at them closely.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 1:46 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I would agree with Greg. Since Dad was in IL most of the time, I suspect
> the sidewalls are in good shape. I would inspect them closely for cracking,
> and if they look good, don’t worry about it at this point.
>
> -D
>
> On Aug 9, 2022, at 1:46 PM, greg via Mercedes  > wrote:
>
> I would say that climate conditions are a critical factor. Heat and UV are
> the primary enemies. I would think a truck stored outdoors in AZ would age
> tires much faster than here in the PNW.
>
> I would certainly inspect closely for signs of heat/sunlight damage.
>
> Greg
>
> My â?~05 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins  has 60K mile Michelins on it
> that were made third week of 2016. Between my dad I there have been 40k
> miles put on them. They are wearing well.
> When do I need to get nervous about the straight up age of the tires?
> Citing that data should I be concerned taking off for a roadtrip to
> Colorado on those tires?
>
> AZBob
>
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Re: [MBZ] Comfort Level with Older Tires

2022-08-09 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
I would agree with Greg. Since Dad was in IL most of the time, I suspect the 
sidewalls are in good shape. I would inspect them closely for cracking, and if 
they look good, don’t worry about it at this point.

-D

On Aug 9, 2022, at 1:46 PM, greg via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

I would say that climate conditions are a critical factor. Heat and UV are
the primary enemies. I would think a truck stored outdoors in AZ would age
tires much faster than here in the PNW.

I would certainly inspect closely for signs of heat/sunlight damage.

Greg

My â?~05 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins  has 60K mile Michelins on it
that were made third week of 2016. Between my dad I there have been 40k
miles put on them. They are wearing well.
When do I need to get nervous about the straight up age of the tires?
Citing that data should I be concerned taking off for a roadtrip to
Colorado on those tires?

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Re: [MBZ] Comfort Level with Older Tires

2022-08-09 Thread greg via Mercedes 
I would say that climate conditions are a critical factor. Heat and UV are
the primary enemies. I would think a truck stored outdoors in AZ would age
tires much faster than here in the PNW.

I would certainly inspect closely for signs of heat/sunlight damage.

Greg

> My ‘05 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins  has 60K mile Michelins on it
> that were made third week of 2016. Between my dad I there have been 40k
> miles put on them. They are wearing well.
> When do I need to get nervous about the straight up age of the tires?
> Citing that data should I be concerned taking off for a roadtrip to
> Colorado on those tires?
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Re: [MBZ] Comfort Level with Older Tires

2022-08-09 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes 
I guess Michelin says you can go up to 10 years, depending on many factors.

https://www.michelinman.com/auto/auto-tips-and-advice/tire-buying-guide/when-do-i-need-new-tires



On Tue, Aug 9, 2022, at 13:28, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> IIRC, 5 or 6 years is the recommended age to replace tires regardless 
> of tread wear.
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2022, at 13:08, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>> My ‘05 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins  has 60K mile Michelins on it 
>> that were made third week of 2016. Between my dad I there have been 40k 
>> miles put on them. They are wearing well. 
>> When do I need to get nervous about the straight up age of the tires? 
>> Citing that data should I be concerned taking off for a roadtrip to 
>> Colorado on those tires?
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Re: [MBZ] Comfort Level with Older Tires

2022-08-09 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes 
IIRC, 5 or 6 years is the recommended age to replace tires regardless of tread 
wear.


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> My ‘05 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins  has 60K mile Michelins on it 
> that were made third week of 2016. Between my dad I there have been 40k 
> miles put on them. They are wearing well. 
> When do I need to get nervous about the straight up age of the tires? 
> Citing that data should I be concerned taking off for a roadtrip to 
> Colorado on those tires?
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Re: [MBZ] Comfort Level with Older Tires

2022-08-09 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
You don’t want that old truck with old tires. Drop it off at Okie Acres. 

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> 
> My ‘05 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins  has 60K mile Michelins on it that 
> were made third week of 2016. Between my dad I there have been 40k miles put 
> on them. They are wearing well. 
> When do I need to get nervous about the straight up age of the tires? Citing 
> that data should I be concerned taking off for a roadtrip to Colorado on 
> those tires?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Comfort

2022-07-08 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes 
On Fri, Jul 8, 2022, at 6:33 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

> A lot, if not most, North American cars of that vintage were pretty much 
> junk.

Mid-late 1970s is when my parents stopped buying American cars and started 
buying Japanese.



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Re: [MBZ] Comfort

2022-07-08 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
My buddy in college had a handmedown Granada that I think was his granny’s. It 
served to get us around. He was always going on about how “it looks like a 
Mercedes”

124 seats are very comfortable. I think the MB seat designers hit the peak with 
those

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> On Jul 8, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
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> At age 15, riding along when my Dad test-drove the Granada that
> ended up replacing our Park Lane, I thought the damned thing was
> broken, it was so noisy in comparison.

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Re: [MBZ] Comfort

2022-07-08 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
A lot, if not most, North American cars of that vintage were pretty much 
junk. The cars from the 1960's were better. We had a 1977 Monarch. It 
was not a good car. Don't really know if the comparable Chevy was any 
better but we test drove a Nova at the time and thought the interior on 
it really looked and felt cheap. The Monarch was underpowered and didn't 
handle all that well but the interior looked and felt fairly good and it 
served us reasonably well for a long while. I think we had it for about 
13 years. We bought it new and drove it while I was in university. It 
became a second car in about 1984 and we finally sold it in about 1990. 
We had very few issues with it. The only thing that was a bit 
troublesome was the old style power steering. I think I replaced one 
piece of it 3 times.


Randy

On 08/07/2022 4:22 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

My brother had a Granada. Even with my limited car experience at the time, I 
knew it was clearly a POS car. And it was.

-D


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At age 15, riding along when my Dad test-drove the Granada that
ended up replacing our Park Lane, I thought the damned thing was
broken, it was so noisy in comparison.

Worst.  Trade.  Ever.  Smaller, worse-built, noisier, slower, with a
stumble off the line, and nearly the same (poor) gas mileage.  One
would expect a 302 to be slightly thriftier than a 390, but such was
not the case.  Probably handled worse, too.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Comfort

2022-07-08 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
My brother had a Granada. Even with my limited car experience at the time, I 
knew it was clearly a POS car. And it was.

-D

> On Jul 8, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> At age 15, riding along when my Dad test-drove the Granada that
> ended up replacing our Park Lane, I thought the damned thing was
> broken, it was so noisy in comparison.
> 
> Worst.  Trade.  Ever.  Smaller, worse-built, noisier, slower, with a
> stumble off the line, and nearly the same (poor) gas mileage.  One
> would expect a 302 to be slightly thriftier than a 390, but such was
> not the case.  Probably handled worse, too.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Comfort

2022-07-08 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
At age 15, riding along when my Dad test-drove the Granada that
ended up replacing our Park Lane, I thought the damned thing was
broken, it was so noisy in comparison.

Worst.  Trade.  Ever.  Smaller, worse-built, noisier, slower, with a
stumble off the line, and nearly the same (poor) gas mileage.  One
would expect a 302 to be slightly thriftier than a 390, but such was
not the case.  Probably handled worse, too.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Comfort

2022-07-08 Thread OK Don via Mercedes 
When we replaced the W124's with a new Passat, the first things I noticed
was hearing the wind noise and that the seats were not as comfortable as
the over 20 yrs old MB seats. Nothing has measured up since.
The current Subaru Legacy seats are about the same as the VW seats were.

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>  Seats are a solid three behind any MB seat, Passat seat.
>
> AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] Comfort

2022-07-08 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
Model year?  Outback?  Forester?  Urbanite?

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> A young woman friend of mine recently bought an Outback and I asked her
> what her husband thought of it, if there was anything she needed to tell
> us.  She likes to go camping and doing these 100 mile runs in the
> mountains and backwoods, so she wanted to have something she could sleep
> in and get in off-road places if she had to, so no news...  But she sent
> me this a coupla days ago
>
>
> On 7/8/22 3:04 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> > women who drive Subarus
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Re: [MBZ] Comfort

2022-07-08 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
A young woman friend of mine recently bought an Outback and I asked her 
what her husband thought of it, if there was anything she needed to tell 
us.  She likes to go camping and doing these 100 mile runs in the 
mountains and backwoods, so she wanted to have something she could sleep 
in and get in off-road places if she had to, so no news...  But she sent 
me this a coupla days ago



On 7/8/22 3:04 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

women who drive Subarus


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Re: [MBZ] Comfort

2022-07-08 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
> That's only for women who drive Subarus.  [Flannel shirts] And jeans and 
> workboots

I've always rather liked those.  Oddly, it never seems to be mutual...  :-)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Comfort

2022-07-08 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
https://cowandchicken.fandom.com/wiki/Buffalo_Gals

-D

On Jul 8, 2022, at 2:59 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

That's only for women who drive Subarus.  And jeans and workboots

--FT

On 7/8/22 2:53 PM, dan penoff.com<http://penoff.com> via Mercedes wrote:
Flannel shirts?

-D

On Jul 8, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com><mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
 wrote:

Had on the Birkenstocks, no granola.

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You would have gotten over 30 mpg if you had been wearing Birkenstocks and 
packed some granola.

-D

On Jul 8, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
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Took Mrs. Bob’s Subaru Outback on its first short trip to Las Vegas to visit 
with the oldest child while she worked her national convention. Vegas has 
become ridiculously expensive, btw.
Long story short: averaged 29.85 mpg, the creepy new style cruise control (sees 
vehicles, keeps you in your lane) held fairly well in the mountains, bells and 
whistles rang and blew, and it is by far the most comfortable non-German car 
we’ve had. Seats are a solid three behind any MB seat, Passat seat.

AZBob


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Re: [MBZ] Comfort

2022-07-08 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 

That's only for women who drive Subarus.  And jeans and workboots

--FT

On 7/8/22 2:53 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Flannel shirts?

-D

On Jul 8, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

Had on the Birkenstocks, no granola.

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You would have gotten over 30 mpg if you had been wearing Birkenstocks and 
packed some granola.

-D


On Jul 8, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

Took Mrs. Bob’s Subaru Outback on its first short trip to Las Vegas to visit 
with the oldest child while she worked her national convention. Vegas has 
become ridiculously expensive, btw.
Long story short: averaged 29.85 mpg, the creepy new style cruise control (sees 
vehicles, keeps you in your lane) held fairly well in the mountains, bells and 
whistles rang and blew, and it is by far the most comfortable non-German car 
we’ve had. Seats are a solid three behind any MB seat, Passat seat.

AZBob


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Re: [MBZ] Comfort

2022-07-08 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
Flannel shirts?

-D

On Jul 8, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

Had on the Birkenstocks, no granola.

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You would have gotten over 30 mpg if you had been wearing Birkenstocks and 
packed some granola.

-D

> On Jul 8, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> Took Mrs. Bob’s Subaru Outback on its first short trip to Las Vegas to visit 
> with the oldest child while she worked her national convention. Vegas has 
> become ridiculously expensive, btw.
> Long story short: averaged 29.85 mpg, the creepy new style cruise control 
> (sees vehicles, keeps you in your lane) held fairly well in the mountains, 
> bells and whistles rang and blew, and it is by far the most comfortable 
> non-German car we’ve had. Seats are a solid three behind any MB seat, Passat 
> seat.
>
> AZBob
>
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Re: [MBZ] Comfort

2022-07-08 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
Had on the Birkenstocks, no granola.  Sent from Mail for Windows From: dan penoff.com via MercedesSent: Friday, July 8, 2022 11:43 AMTo: Okie BenzCc: dan penoff.comSubject: Re: [MBZ] Comfort You would have gotten over 30 mpg if you had been wearing Birkenstocks and packed some granola. -D > On Jul 8, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  wrote:> > Took Mrs. Bob’s Subaru Outback on its first short trip to Las Vegas to visit with the oldest child while she worked her national convention. Vegas has become ridiculously expensive, btw. > Long story short: averaged 29.85 mpg, the creepy new style cruise control (sees vehicles, keeps you in your lane) held fairly well in the mountains, bells and whistles rang and blew, and it is by far the most comfortable non-German car we’ve had. Seats are a solid three behind any MB seat, Passat seat. > > AZBob> > > Sent from my iPad> ___> http://www.okiebenz.com> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>  ___http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com  

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Re: [MBZ] Comfort

2022-07-08 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
You would have gotten over 30 mpg if you had been wearing Birkenstocks and 
packed some granola.

-D

> On Jul 8, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Took Mrs. Bob’s Subaru Outback on its first short trip to Las Vegas to visit 
> with the oldest child while she worked her national convention. Vegas has 
> become ridiculously expensive, btw. 
> Long story short: averaged 29.85 mpg, the creepy new style cruise control 
> (sees vehicles, keeps you in your lane) held fairly well in the mountains, 
> bells and whistles rang and blew, and it is by far the most comfortable 
> non-German car we’ve had. Seats are a solid three behind any MB seat, Passat 
> seat. 
> 
> AZBob
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Comfort control module

2018-10-18 Thread clay monroe via Mercedes 
I was living in the CE.  It seems to be used in the R129 and some other pillar 
less examples.

clay monroe
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> On Oct 18, 2018, at 9:13 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
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> I think it is needed with the auto-down feature for the front windows on
> the later 124 cars.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
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>> Cracks the windows when opening door, for seal clearance.  Etc.
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Re: [MBZ] Comfort control module

2018-10-18 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
I think it is needed with the auto-down feature for the front windows on
the later 124 cars.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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> Cracks the windows when opening door, for seal clearance.  Etc.
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Re: [MBZ] Comfort control module

2018-10-17 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
Cracks the windows when opening door, for seal clearance.  Etc.

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