Re: [MBZ] M1 oel deals?
I used to use 5w-40 in my 240D's but local wally's no longer carries it. I use15w-50 in my OM617 300CD. My E320 (m272) uses 0w-40 MI. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Mon, Mar 18, 2019, 1:40 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: > I don't think I've ever seen M1 20w50... I forget where you are but if > the car starts okay at your temps then I'd suggest its fine. A 61x will > never be able to go long OCI due to soot levels unless you filter for soot > specifically which probably isn't worth it on a car not being driven big > miles. The last 240D I had I used M1 15w50 in the summer and M1 5w40 in the > winter. The 240D before that leaked oil really bad so it got the cheapest > 15w40 I could find but got changed at 3,000 miles or so... > -Curt > > On Monday, March 18, 2019, 1:31:36 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > Wow an oil thread. > > What are people using in the older diesels, e.g. OM617? > > Years ago (Marshall Booth era) I used to use M1 20W50. I later got the > impression that it wasn't so great for diesels anymore, and started > using Delo and changing more often. > > I have M1 20W50 in the 300SD now, mainly because I had about 10 quarts > sitting in the garage last time I did a change. > > Allan > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 oel deals?
I could tell the difference in the SDL. I used the thin oil in the winter. (5w-40)M1 and the 15W-50 in the warmer weather. oil pressure was lower at idle, oil consumption went up with the thin stuff, but it started easier at -20ºF. Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote on 3/18/19 8:16 PM: Wait, we're (or at least I'm) being specific here though, was it a modern synthetic oil? Specifically are we comparing 5w40 vs 15w50? Its easy to say light oil won't do whatever but I'm specifically saying in most conditions you probably won't see any difference using M1 5w40 vs M1 15w50 in anything but the most extreme cases... Of course it doesn't really get hot (or cold) enough where I live to really be extreme most of the time... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 oel deals?
Wait, we're (or at least I'm) being specific here though, was it a modern synthetic oil? Specifically are we comparing 5w40 vs 15w50? Its easy to say light oil won't do whatever but I'm specifically saying in most conditions you probably won't see any difference using M1 5w40 vs M1 15w50 in anything but the most extreme cases... Of course it doesn't really get hot (or cold) enough where I live to really be extreme most of the time... -Curt On Monday, March 18, 2019, 8:04:19 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: It's enough that a thinner oil couldn't be kept cool enough by the oil cooler to keep the idle pressure above .3 bar in the OM615 we had - '70 220D, and was marginal in the '76 300D. On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 6:27 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Will it be a big difference though? 5%, 10%? At what point does that mean > you *need* thicker oil? > Also remembering that most of us don't run the engine at 100% output very > much, with a 240D you come close but still not all the time. For example > when I'm running the groomer it works 100% all the time and I have to vary > the load to keep moving, fortunately its cold out so its relatively easy > keeping the engine cool. > As people usually point out oils today are wy better than what was > available when the cars were new, M1 5w40 gives more protection against > high temps than dino 20w50 which was "good enough" for years and years. > Its also worth mentioning that M1 15w50 was only CF (I think) rated and > today carries no certification (or didn't last I knew) because Mobil didn't > want an old cert on their oil. Turbo Diesel Truck is (again my memory is > soft) CI-4 (or better) rated... > > -Curt > > On Monday, March 18, 2019, 7:20:46 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 17:22:06 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" > wrote: > > > I agree. The inside of your engine is going to be way more hot than the > > outside temp so the theory of needing thicker oil in hotter temps is > > false. > > I disagree. > > That's like saying a W123 diesel doesn't need an oil cooler when it's > cold outside, so it doesn't need an oil cooler (which the Benz engineers > have included in the car). > > Your oil's temperature will be higher the hotter the ambient temperature. > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 oel deals?
Well, the long haul guys say that fleets use it, and if you buy a used fleet truck, to avoid the rotella, as it works well enough for the half million or so miles the fleet will put on the truck, but you will pay for a major. If you buy from a fleet that used delo or delvac, the engine will last longer, like another half million in most cases. YMMV, but thats the talk around truckstops. Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote on 3/18/19 4:09 PM: mercedes@okiebenz.com sez: Avoid rotella. Why? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 oel deals?
It's enough that a thinner oil couldn't be kept cool enough by the oil cooler to keep the idle pressure above .3 bar in the OM615 we had - '70 220D, and was marginal in the '76 300D. On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 6:27 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Will it be a big difference though? 5%, 10%? At what point does that mean > you *need* thicker oil? > Also remembering that most of us don't run the engine at 100% output very > much, with a 240D you come close but still not all the time. For example > when I'm running the groomer it works 100% all the time and I have to vary > the load to keep moving, fortunately its cold out so its relatively easy > keeping the engine cool. > As people usually point out oils today are wy better than what was > available when the cars were new, M1 5w40 gives more protection against > high temps than dino 20w50 which was "good enough" for years and years. > Its also worth mentioning that M1 15w50 was only CF (I think) rated and > today carries no certification (or didn't last I knew) because Mobil didn't > want an old cert on their oil. Turbo Diesel Truck is (again my memory is > soft) CI-4 (or better) rated... > > -Curt > > On Monday, March 18, 2019, 7:20:46 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 17:22:06 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" > wrote: > > > I agree. The inside of your engine is going to be way more hot than the > > outside temp so the theory of needing thicker oil in hotter temps is > > false. > > I disagree. > > That's like saying a W123 diesel doesn't need an oil cooler when it's > cold outside, so it doesn't need an oil cooler (which the Benz engineers > have included in the car). > > Your oil's temperature will be higher the hotter the ambient temperature. > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 oel deals?
Will it be a big difference though? 5%, 10%? At what point does that mean you *need* thicker oil? Also remembering that most of us don't run the engine at 100% output very much, with a 240D you come close but still not all the time. For example when I'm running the groomer it works 100% all the time and I have to vary the load to keep moving, fortunately its cold out so its relatively easy keeping the engine cool. As people usually point out oils today are wy better than what was available when the cars were new, M1 5w40 gives more protection against high temps than dino 20w50 which was "good enough" for years and years. Its also worth mentioning that M1 15w50 was only CF (I think) rated and today carries no certification (or didn't last I knew) because Mobil didn't want an old cert on their oil. Turbo Diesel Truck is (again my memory is soft) CI-4 (or better) rated... -Curt On Monday, March 18, 2019, 7:20:46 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 17:22:06 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" wrote: > I agree. The inside of your engine is going to be way more hot than the > outside temp so the theory of needing thicker oil in hotter temps is > false. I disagree. That's like saying a W123 diesel doesn't need an oil cooler when it's cold outside, so it doesn't need an oil cooler (which the Benz engineers have included in the car). Your oil's temperature will be higher the hotter the ambient temperature. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 oel deals?
On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 17:22:06 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" wrote: > I agree. The inside of your engine is going to be way more hot than the > outside temp so the theory of needing thicker oil in hotter temps is > false. I disagree. That's like saying a W123 diesel doesn't need an oil cooler when it's cold outside, so it doesn't need an oil cooler (which the Benz engineers have included in the car). Your oil's temperature will be higher the hotter the ambient temperature. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 oel deals?
https://www.benzworld.org/forums/attachments/r129-sl-class/252613d1249347569-what-engine-oil-viscocity-you-running-2001_mbfactoryapprovedserviceproducts.pdf I have some other graphics extracted from some of these posts in that thread --FT On 3/18/19 6:08 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: When the ambient temps are at and above 100F, a lighter than 50 weight oil would not keep the oil pressure up at idle when the engine was fully warmed up. 15W-50 synthetic was great in the OM61x and OM60x engines I had. So, if the temps get high, you need heavier oil. If the temps get low, you need lighter oil. If they swing to both extremes, you need multi-weight that covers both ends. On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 4:44 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: In a 61x engine 0w40 is hard to keep IN the engine. At least it was in my '83 240D. That car leaked 5x as bad with 0w40. It started more easily but was costing me an extra quart of oil a week to keep going. 5w40 leaked way less and started nearly as well. I'd say 5w40 is the sweet spot, especially for older engines that see some cold. At anything above freezing 15w50 is probably fine and provides higher sheer strength. I don't think its any "better" because engine oil is most of the time "good enough" and doesn't benefit from being "better". Most of us don't run in real extreme conditions... -Curt On Monday, March 18, 2019, 5:11:34 PM EDT, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: I think ya'll are wrong with this idea that thicker oil is better. Vast majority of engine wear normally happens immediately after a cold start. Thick oil makes this worse. Synthetic oil has far better flow characteristics (see Curt's test of M1 vs. Dino in his freezer from years ago) and helps in this case. Oil is not only a lubricant but also plays a very important roll in cooling the engine internals, and for cooling you want a high flow rate. Thinner oil will flow faster, provide better cooling. 0W-40 is the best of both worlds, for diesel. I use 0W-30 in SWMBO's Infiniti gasser motor. That is at over 250k miles and doesn't burn a drop. See Bob is the Oil Guy website, read up on the Oil 101 info. - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 oel deals?
As long as it is .3 or higher at idle and pegs at 3 when RPM goes up it’s fine. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 18, 2019, at 5:08 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > When the ambient temps are at and above 100F, a lighter than 50 weight oil > would not keep the oil pressure up at idle when the engine was fully warmed > up. 15W-50 synthetic was great in the OM61x and OM60x engines I had. So, if > the temps get high, you need heavier oil. If the temps get low, you need > lighter oil. If they swing to both extremes, you need multi-weight that > covers both ends. > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 4:44 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> In a 61x engine 0w40 is hard to keep IN the engine. At least it was in my >> '83 240D. That car leaked 5x as bad with 0w40. It started more easily but >> was costing me an extra quart of oil a week to keep going. 5w40 leaked way >> less and started nearly as well. >> >> I'd say 5w40 is the sweet spot, especially for older engines that see some >> cold. At anything above freezing 15w50 is probably fine and provides higher >> sheer strength. I don't think its any "better" because engine oil is most >> of the time "good enough" and doesn't benefit from being "better". Most of >> us don't run in real extreme conditions... >> -Curt >> >>On Monday, March 18, 2019, 5:11:34 PM EDT, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> I think ya'll are wrong with this idea that thicker oil is better. Vast >> majority of engine wear normally happens immediately after a cold start. >> Thick oil makes this worse. Synthetic oil has far better flow >> characteristics (see Curt's test of M1 vs. Dino in his freezer from years >> ago) and helps in this case. >> >> Oil is not only a lubricant but also plays a very important roll in cooling >> the engine internals, and for cooling you want a high flow rate. Thinner >> oil will flow faster, provide better cooling. >> >> 0W-40 is the best of both worlds, for diesel. I use 0W-30 in SWMBO's >> Infiniti gasser motor. That is at over 250k miles and doesn't burn a drop. >> >> See Bob is the Oil Guy website, read up on the Oil 101 info. >> - >> Max >> Charleston SC >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > -- > OK Don > > *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence > for themselves." > > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 oel deals?
Does the engine temp rise appreciably with higher ambient temp? The engine is already closing in on 200F, especially in the moving bits... Didn't Mercedes say anything above 1 bar of pressure at idle was acceptable? -Curt On Monday, March 18, 2019, 6:09:29 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: When the ambient temps are at and above 100F, a lighter than 50 weight oil would not keep the oil pressure up at idle when the engine was fully warmed up. 15W-50 synthetic was great in the OM61x and OM60x engines I had. So, if the temps get high, you need heavier oil. If the temps get low, you need lighter oil. If they swing to both extremes, you need multi-weight that covers both ends. On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 4:44 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > In a 61x engine 0w40 is hard to keep IN the engine. At least it was in my > '83 240D. That car leaked 5x as bad with 0w40. It started more easily but > was costing me an extra quart of oil a week to keep going. 5w40 leaked way > less and started nearly as well. > > I'd say 5w40 is the sweet spot, especially for older engines that see some > cold. At anything above freezing 15w50 is probably fine and provides higher > sheer strength. I don't think its any "better" because engine oil is most > of the time "good enough" and doesn't benefit from being "better". Most of > us don't run in real extreme conditions... > -Curt > > On Monday, March 18, 2019, 5:11:34 PM EDT, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > I think ya'll are wrong with this idea that thicker oil is better. Vast > majority of engine wear normally happens immediately after a cold start. > Thick oil makes this worse. Synthetic oil has far better flow > characteristics (see Curt's test of M1 vs. Dino in his freezer from years > ago) and helps in this case. > > Oil is not only a lubricant but also plays a very important roll in cooling > the engine internals, and for cooling you want a high flow rate. Thinner > oil will flow faster, provide better cooling. > > 0W-40 is the best of both worlds, for diesel. I use 0W-30 in SWMBO's > Infiniti gasser motor. That is at over 250k miles and doesn't burn a drop. > > See Bob is the Oil Guy website, read up on the Oil 101 info. > - > Max > Charleston SC > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 oel deals?
I agree. The inside of your engine is going to be way more hot than the outside temp so the theory of needing thicker oil in hotter temps is false. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 18, 2019, at 4:10 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > I think ya'll are wrong with this idea that thicker oil is better. Vast > majority of engine wear normally happens immediately after a cold start. > Thick oil makes this worse. Synthetic oil has far better flow > characteristics (see Curt's test of M1 vs. Dino in his freezer from years > ago) and helps in this case. > > Oil is not only a lubricant but also plays a very important roll in cooling > the engine internals, and for cooling you want a high flow rate. Thinner > oil will flow faster, provide better cooling. > > 0W-40 is the best of both worlds, for diesel. I use 0W-30 in SWMBO's > Infiniti gasser motor. That is at over 250k miles and doesn't burn a drop. > > See Bob is the Oil Guy website, read up on the Oil 101 info. > - > Max > Charleston SC > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 oel deals?
When the ambient temps are at and above 100F, a lighter than 50 weight oil would not keep the oil pressure up at idle when the engine was fully warmed up. 15W-50 synthetic was great in the OM61x and OM60x engines I had. So, if the temps get high, you need heavier oil. If the temps get low, you need lighter oil. If they swing to both extremes, you need multi-weight that covers both ends. On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 4:44 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > In a 61x engine 0w40 is hard to keep IN the engine. At least it was in my > '83 240D. That car leaked 5x as bad with 0w40. It started more easily but > was costing me an extra quart of oil a week to keep going. 5w40 leaked way > less and started nearly as well. > > I'd say 5w40 is the sweet spot, especially for older engines that see some > cold. At anything above freezing 15w50 is probably fine and provides higher > sheer strength. I don't think its any "better" because engine oil is most > of the time "good enough" and doesn't benefit from being "better". Most of > us don't run in real extreme conditions... > -Curt > > On Monday, March 18, 2019, 5:11:34 PM EDT, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > I think ya'll are wrong with this idea that thicker oil is better. Vast > majority of engine wear normally happens immediately after a cold start. > Thick oil makes this worse. Synthetic oil has far better flow > characteristics (see Curt's test of M1 vs. Dino in his freezer from years > ago) and helps in this case. > > Oil is not only a lubricant but also plays a very important roll in cooling > the engine internals, and for cooling you want a high flow rate. Thinner > oil will flow faster, provide better cooling. > > 0W-40 is the best of both worlds, for diesel. I use 0W-30 in SWMBO's > Infiniti gasser motor. That is at over 250k miles and doesn't burn a drop. > > See Bob is the Oil Guy website, read up on the Oil 101 info. > - > Max > Charleston SC > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 oel deals?
In a 61x engine 0w40 is hard to keep IN the engine. At least it was in my '83 240D. That car leaked 5x as bad with 0w40. It started more easily but was costing me an extra quart of oil a week to keep going. 5w40 leaked way less and started nearly as well. I'd say 5w40 is the sweet spot, especially for older engines that see some cold. At anything above freezing 15w50 is probably fine and provides higher sheer strength. I don't think its any "better" because engine oil is most of the time "good enough" and doesn't benefit from being "better". Most of us don't run in real extreme conditions... -Curt On Monday, March 18, 2019, 5:11:34 PM EDT, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: I think ya'll are wrong with this idea that thicker oil is better. Vast majority of engine wear normally happens immediately after a cold start. Thick oil makes this worse. Synthetic oil has far better flow characteristics (see Curt's test of M1 vs. Dino in his freezer from years ago) and helps in this case. Oil is not only a lubricant but also plays a very important roll in cooling the engine internals, and for cooling you want a high flow rate. Thinner oil will flow faster, provide better cooling. 0W-40 is the best of both worlds, for diesel. I use 0W-30 in SWMBO's Infiniti gasser motor. That is at over 250k miles and doesn't burn a drop. See Bob is the Oil Guy website, read up on the Oil 101 info. - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What about Rotella T6? The gen3 TDI guys are all about Rotella T6. I was thinking about it for the ASV since that wants 3 gallons of oil and I can get T6 in 5 gallon pails for way cheaper than M1. Actually I ought to ask the local Deere dealership what they want for a bucket of their synthetic. I think they call for either a 10w30 or 0w40 synthetic... -Curt On Monday, March 18, 2019, 4:55:57 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: M1 15W-50 is still best for summer and moderate winter temps. (OM 601,2,3) and still good for OM61x, although the soot levels dictate more frequent oil changes, so, IMHO make OM61x not worth the price of synthetic. I'd guess about 0º. Below 0, you probably need a garage, a block heater, lighter oil or all the above. Delo or Delvac are good for OM61x. Avoid rotella. Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote on 3/18/19 1:17 PM: > Clay I think, mentioned 20w50 the other day, I recognize that just because I >don't know a thing exists doesn't mean it exists. He mentioned both 15w50 and >20w50 in the same post so I assume he knows what he's talking about, maybe its >some mysterious west coast M1 I've never seen. ;) > -Curt > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yup. The only thing I will add to that, is that a ZDDP additive is probably a wise addition to any oil used in pre-2007 diesel engines at this point. Rick Original Message From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: March 18, 2019 4:11 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: dillonm...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 oel deals? I think ya'll are wrong with this idea that thicker oil is better. Vast majority of engine wear normally happens immediately after a cold start. Thick oil makes this worse. Synthetic oil has far better flow characteristics (see Curt's test of M1 vs. Dino in his freezer from years ago) and helps in this case. Oil is not only a lubricant but also plays a very important roll in cooling the engine internals, and for cooling you want a high flow rate. Thinner oil will flow faster, provide better cooling. 0W-40 is the best of both worlds, for diesel. I use 0W-30 in SWMBO's Infiniti gasser motor. That is at over 250k miles and doesn't burn a drop. See Bob is the Oil Guy website, read up on the Oil 101 info. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think ya'll are wrong with this idea that thicker oil is better. Vast majority of engine wear normally happens immediately after a cold start. Thick oil makes this worse. Synthetic oil has far better flow characteristics (see Curt's test of M1 vs. Dino in his freezer from years ago) and helps in this case. Oil is not only a lubricant but also plays a very important roll in cooling the engine internals, and for cooling you want a high flow rate. Thinner oil will flow faster, provide better cooling. 0W-40 is the best of both worlds, for diesel. I use 0W-30 in SWMBO's Infiniti gasser motor. That is at over 250k miles and doesn't burn a drop. See Bob is the Oil Guy website, read up on the Oil 101 info. - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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mercedes@okiebenz.com sez: >Avoid rotella. Why? Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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M1 15W-50 is still best for summer and moderate winter temps. (OM 601,2,3) and still good for OM61x, although the soot levels dictate more frequent oil changes, so, IMHO make OM61x not worth the price of synthetic. I'd guess about 0º. Below 0, you probably need a garage, a block heater, lighter oil or all the above. Delo or Delvac are good for OM61x. Avoid rotella. Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote on 3/18/19 1:17 PM: Clay I think, mentioned 20w50 the other day, I recognize that just because I don't know a thing exists doesn't mean it exists. He mentioned both 15w50 and 20w50 in the same post so I assume he knows what he's talking about, maybe its some mysterious west coast M1 I've never seen. ;) -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A person used to be able to purchase it in the diesel oil section, the 20/50. Then is seemed to go missing form the shelves, and I only found 15-50 no matter who made it, be it dino or synth. All of a sudden it showed up on shelves again but in the special motor bike section with a price twice that of car M1 15-50, or other weights. clay monroe > I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for what I'm > looking for didn't fall out. > On Mar 18, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > Clay I think, mentioned 20w50 the other day, I recognize that just because I > don't know a thing exists doesn't mean it exists. He mentioned both 15w50 and > 20w50 in the same post so I assume he knows what he's talking about, maybe > its some mysterious west coast M1 I've never seen. ;) > -Curt > >On Monday, March 18, 2019, 2:15:15 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Oops yes M1 15w50 is what I meant. Sorry for the typo. > > 20w50 probably came to mind as I used to run Castrol 20w50 in my > air-cooled VWs years ago. > > Allan > > Curt Raymond writes: > >> I don't think I've ever seen M1 20w50... I forget where you are but >> if the car starts okay at your temps then I'd suggest its fine. A 61x >> will never be able to go long OCI due to soot levels unless you filter >> for soot specifically which probably isn't worth it on a car not being >> driven big miles. The last 240D I had I used M1 15w50 in the summer >> and M1 5w40 in the winter. The 240D before that leaked oil really bad >> so it got the cheapest 15w40 I could find but got changed at 3,000 >> miles or so... >> >> -Curt >> >> On Monday, March 18, 2019, 1:31:36 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Wow an oil thread. >> >> What are people using in the older diesels, e.g. OM617? >> >> Years ago (Marshall Booth era) I used to use M1 20W50. I later got the >> impression that it wasn't so great for diesels anymore, and started >> using Delo and changing more often. >> >> I have M1 20W50 in the 300SD now, mainly because I had about 10 quarts >> sitting in the garage last time I did a change. >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Clay I think, mentioned 20w50 the other day, I recognize that just because I don't know a thing exists doesn't mean it exists. He mentioned both 15w50 and 20w50 in the same post so I assume he knows what he's talking about, maybe its some mysterious west coast M1 I've never seen. ;) -Curt On Monday, March 18, 2019, 2:15:15 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Oops yes M1 15w50 is what I meant. Sorry for the typo. 20w50 probably came to mind as I used to run Castrol 20w50 in my air-cooled VWs years ago. Allan Curt Raymond writes: > I don't think I've ever seen M1 20w50... I forget where you are but > if the car starts okay at your temps then I'd suggest its fine. A 61x > will never be able to go long OCI due to soot levels unless you filter > for soot specifically which probably isn't worth it on a car not being > driven big miles. The last 240D I had I used M1 15w50 in the summer > and M1 5w40 in the winter. The 240D before that leaked oil really bad > so it got the cheapest 15w40 I could find but got changed at 3,000 > miles or so... > > -Curt > > On Monday, March 18, 2019, 1:31:36 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Wow an oil thread. > > What are people using in the older diesels, e.g. OM617? > > Years ago (Marshall Booth era) I used to use M1 20W50. I later got the > impression that it wasn't so great for diesels anymore, and started > using Delo and changing more often. > > I have M1 20W50 in the 300SD now, mainly because I had about 10 quarts > sitting in the garage last time I did a change. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Oops yes M1 15w50 is what I meant. Sorry for the typo. 20w50 probably came to mind as I used to run Castrol 20w50 in my air-cooled VWs years ago. Allan Curt Raymond writes: > I don't think I've ever seen M1 20w50... I forget where you are but > if the car starts okay at your temps then I'd suggest its fine. A 61x > will never be able to go long OCI due to soot levels unless you filter > for soot specifically which probably isn't worth it on a car not being > driven big miles. The last 240D I had I used M1 15w50 in the summer > and M1 5w40 in the winter. The 240D before that leaked oil really bad > so it got the cheapest 15w40 I could find but got changed at 3,000 > miles or so... > > -Curt > > On Monday, March 18, 2019, 1:31:36 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Wow an oil thread. > > What are people using in the older diesels, e.g. OM617? > > Years ago (Marshall Booth era) I used to use M1 20W50. I later got the > impression that it wasn't so great for diesels anymore, and started > using Delo and changing more often. > > I have M1 20W50 in the 300SD now, mainly because I had about 10 quarts > sitting in the garage last time I did a change. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I don't think I've ever seen M1 20w50... I forget where you are but if the car starts okay at your temps then I'd suggest its fine. A 61x will never be able to go long OCI due to soot levels unless you filter for soot specifically which probably isn't worth it on a car not being driven big miles. The last 240D I had I used M1 15w50 in the summer and M1 5w40 in the winter. The 240D before that leaked oil really bad so it got the cheapest 15w40 I could find but got changed at 3,000 miles or so... -Curt On Monday, March 18, 2019, 1:31:36 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Wow an oil thread. What are people using in the older diesels, e.g. OM617? Years ago (Marshall Booth era) I used to use M1 20W50. I later got the impression that it wasn't so great for diesels anymore, and started using Delo and changing more often. I have M1 20W50 in the 300SD now, mainly because I had about 10 quarts sitting in the garage last time I did a change. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 oel deals?
Wow an oil thread. What are people using in the older diesels, e.g. OM617? Years ago (Marshall Booth era) I used to use M1 20W50. I later got the impression that it wasn't so great for diesels anymore, and started using Delo and changing more often. I have M1 20W50 in the 300SD now, mainly because I had about 10 quarts sitting in the garage last time I did a change. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I’m getting ready to start running Sinopec synthetic which appears to have to test results. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 16, 2019, at 11:24 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > Remember that "big data" study that Blackstone oil labs did? All of the > "synthetic" oils are good. I'm running NAPA synthetic now (made by > Valvoline). Never looked back, despite my devotion to M1 back in the day. > > On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 10:55 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> Costco but limited variety. Like 2 weights >> >> --FT >> Sent from iPhone >> >>> On Mar 16, 2019, at 10:11 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Aside from wallyland, is anyone aware of good deals on M1? >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > -- > OK Don > > *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence > for themselves." > > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm not sure I 100% believe it. My 2010 Dodge RAM certainly doesn't do as well with Valvoline as it does with M1. Around 5,000 miles the engine starts to tick on startup, change the oil, tick goes away. With M1 tick goes away and stays away. 8,000 miles in now on M1, no tick. I'd gone with Valvoline because its the only approved oil for Angie's Golf that you can buy at Autozone but I'm under impressed...I can't use the same formulation the VW gets, thats 5w40, the RAM wants 5w20... -Curt On Sunday, March 17, 2019, 12:25:04 AM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: Remember that "big data" study that Blackstone oil labs did? All of the "synthetic" oils are good. I'm running NAPA synthetic now (made by Valvoline). Never looked back, despite my devotion to M1 back in the day. On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 10:55 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Costco but limited variety. Like 2 weights > > --FT > Sent from iPhone > > > On Mar 16, 2019, at 10:11 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > Aside from wallyland, is anyone aware of good deals on M1? > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I dislike Wally (or rather the Walmartians) so I wait until its on sale at Autozone. I usually end up with an oil filter I can't use but c'est la vie... -Curt On Saturday, March 16, 2019, 10:06:09 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: Aside from wallyland, is anyone aware of good deals on M1? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This month's deal at Advance is 5qts of M1, a M1 filter, and a roll of blue shop towels for $33. https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/o/mobil-oil It's a good deal if you have a use for a couple of M1 filters. I put the filters in my Cruze and a friend's Nissan. The Spring rebates haven't started yet, but there's a yearlong rebate for $10 a gallon on Turbo Diesel Truck and Delvac 1. I might check out the 5 gallon pail prices on D1 at the local oil distributor. https://mobiloil.com/en/promotion/mobil-promotions/40-off-mobil-delvac In a gun forum, somebody posted what he thought was a good deal on low viscosity synthetic at WalMart and a guy from Lyden Oil said "I pay $6 a gallon for that stuff", so I might pay them a visit next month and see what they'll sell of 5 gallon pail of Shell or Gulf bulk synthetic for. https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Wal-Mart-now-has-SuperTech-0W-16-in-stock/5-2200653/?page=1 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well, not all. Remember Castrol Syntec? Sold as a full synthetic, but was NOT. I've run Valvoline, but I am gunshy on all the rest. OK Don via Mercedes wrote on 3/16/19 11:24 PM: Remember that "big data" study that Blackstone oil labs did? All of the "synthetic" oils are good. I'm running NAPA synthetic now (made by Valvoline). Never looked back, despite my devotion to M1 back in the day. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Remember that "big data" study that Blackstone oil labs did? All of the "synthetic" oils are good. I'm running NAPA synthetic now (made by Valvoline). Never looked back, despite my devotion to M1 back in the day. On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 10:55 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Costco but limited variety. Like 2 weights > > --FT > Sent from iPhone > > > On Mar 16, 2019, at 10:11 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > Aside from wallyland, is anyone aware of good deals on M1? > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Costco but limited variety. Like 2 weights --FT Sent from iPhone > On Mar 16, 2019, at 10:11 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Aside from wallyland, is anyone aware of good deals on M1? > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
