Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> SWMBA got mad at me for snagging the MBP 9,2.  She planned on...

Certain planners get angry at any plan not their own.  That's usually the 
source of the "A".

Our MBP 9,2 was a very deliberate acquisition, specifically designed to meet 
quite
a few criteria that aren't really on SWMBA's radar.  Trouble-free, inexpensive 
in case it
gets lost/stolen in college, old enough that it's not very likely to get 
stolen, compatible
with the Ethernet and USB jacks around campus, particularly in the scion's 
room, running
up-to-date (supported, Catalina) software, and with automatic backup, both in 
his room
(if he remembers to plug in HAL) and here at home.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Clay via Mercedes]

The Mac Pro is/has legacy support.  One of the drives is partitioned with 
obsolete examples of OSX, such that I support the original iPad, iPod touches 
and Classic iPods, as well as stuff as current as 2016.   Everything is paired 
to that computer, which leaves the old and working iTunes able stuff orphan 
when I upgrade to Apple silicon.  

SWMBA got mad at me for snagging the MBP 9,2.  She planned on dumping the MBP 
16” fully loaded as the holiday gift.  I explained that it was last of the 
intel line and I am a rusting, not bleeding edge adopter.  Maybe in a few years 
she can source the ARM based Mac Pro, if they turn out reliable.

clay 

> On Nov 7, 2020, at 3:26 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My iFōn has not talked to a Mac computer for years. iToonz always wants the 
> latest iOS version on everything but I have not upgraded the Mac desktop for 
> a coupla years since whenever I have done that in the past some app or other 
> gorks or disappears. 
> 
> I have an old MacBook I Rejuvenated at some point a few years ago but have 
> not turned on for awhile. I guess I could upgrade it and see if it and the 
> iFōn might COEXIST. I have an ancient iFōn with music on it I use now and 
> then, it has not talked to iOS ever, I think I loaded the music on it maybe 
> 10 years ago on an XP box. Maybe I can get iToonz on this Winders 7 or 10 
> laptop I have and see if it will talk to these various iFōnz. 
> 
> --FT

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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2020-11-07 07:26, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

 Maybe I can get
iToonz on this Winders 7 or 10 laptop I have and see if it will talk
to these various iFōnz.



I don't know about XP, but I had iTUNZ on Win7 a couple months ago.
It refused to do any phone backup/restore stuff until I updated the 
phones to the latest and greatest, but it didn't demand I put a new OS 
on my computer.


It did, however, always launch itself at startup and upload stuff to 
Apple without my approval, and, IIRC, when I told Task Manager to nuke 
the processes, Apple said "I can't let you do that, Dave, all your hard 
drive is belonging to me".


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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

My iFōn has not talked to a Mac computer for years. iToonz always wants the 
latest iOS version on everything but I have not upgraded the Mac desktop for a 
coupla years since whenever I have done that in the past some app or other 
gorks or disappears. 

I have an old MacBook I Rejuvenated at some point a few years ago but have not 
turned on for awhile. I guess I could upgrade it and see if it and the iFōn 
might COEXIST. I have an ancient iFōn with music on it I use now and then, it 
has not talked to iOS ever, I think I loaded the music on it maybe 10 years ago 
on an XP box. Maybe I can get iToonz on this Winders 7 or 10 laptop I have and 
see if it will talk to these various iFōnz. 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Nov 7, 2020, at 12:29 AM, fmiser via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> iTunes

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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Mitch wrote:

> Which brings me to why I don't leave iTunes on my computer,
> Apple acting like it owns my computer too.

Use a virtual machine (like VirtualBox) guest.  Run it only when
you need iTunes.  As far as iTunes/apple is concerned, it is the
only software installed on the computer.  And it's easy to
"unplug" the ethernet that connects to the web but you can still
use host-only network or guest-shared directory to access files on
the host computer.

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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2020-11-06 23:34, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

There's always Windows and android  (ducking)


As much as I hate Google, if you could install an operating system on my 
iPhones that didn't behave as if Apple owned the phone instead of me, 
I'd be grateful. Which brings me to why I don't leave iTunes on my 
computer, Apple acting like it owns my computer too.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[OK Don via Mercedes]

There's always Windows and android  (ducking)

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 10:31 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 2020-11-06 23:24, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> > Can you email the audio file from the phone to another account
> > accessible
> > on a PC?
>
>
> It would be a waste of data, but I could do it, if I used phones for
> email.
>
> If only iTunes were well behaved enough to leave installed on my
> computer, or if only the iPhone file manager could actually
> browse/copy/move the files in the phone's user directories...
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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2020-11-06 23:24, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
Can you email the audio file from the phone to another account 
accessible

on a PC?



It would be a waste of data, but I could do it, if I used phones for 
email.


If only iTunes were well behaved enough to leave installed on my 
computer, or if only the iPhone file manager could actually 
browse/copy/move the files in the phone's user directories...


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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Can you email the audio file from the phone to another account accessible
on a PC?

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 9:43 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Oh, I see.
> I need to reinstall the iTunes virus on my computer to have access to
> the audio files, but I can access the photos by merely plugging a
> lightning cable into my computer.
> Thanks a lot, Apple.
> Mitch.
>
> On 2020-11-06 22:38, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> > OK, this is absolutely the last straw.
> > An attorney wants an audio recording I made on my iPoop.
> > So I plug it in and browse the phone, and all that's available to the
> > computer is Internal Storage>DCIM, which only includes photos and
> > video.
> >
> > From the Audio Recorder app, I can copy the file I need, but I can't
> > paste it into DCIM.
> >
> > And I can't export files via bluetooth...
> >
> > I'm about to use a $100 phone for target practice.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Oh, I see.
I need to reinstall the iTunes virus on my computer to have access to 
the audio files, but I can access the photos by merely plugging a 
lightning cable into my computer.

Thanks a lot, Apple.
Mitch.

On 2020-11-06 22:38, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

OK, this is absolutely the last straw.
An attorney wants an audio recording I made on my iPoop.
So I plug it in and browse the phone, and all that's available to the
computer is Internal Storage>DCIM, which only includes photos and
video.

From the Audio Recorder app, I can copy the file I need, but I can't
paste it into DCIM.

And I can't export files via bluetooth...

I'm about to use a $100 phone for target practice.


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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

OK, this is absolutely the last straw.
An attorney wants an audio recording I made on my iPoop.
So I plug it in and browse the phone, and all that's available to the 
computer is Internal Storage>DCIM, which only includes photos and video.


From the Audio Recorder app, I can copy the file I need, but I can't 
paste it into DCIM.


And I can't export files via bluetooth...

I'm about to use a $100 phone for target practice.

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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2020-11-06 21:54, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
Then how do you get apps on an iPhone? No Apple account, no App Store, 
right?


Yep. Wanted the Tracfone app today, couldn't get it.
First time I tried to install an app on any device I actually carry for 
a phone, and only because there's one thing that can currently be done 
only with Tracfone's iOS app.


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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[dan--- via Mercedes]

Then how do you get apps on an iPhone? No Apple account, no App Store, right?

-D

> On Nov 6, 2020, at 7:35 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> On 2020-11-06 16:54, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Dude,
>> It’s called “iCloud”. Set up an account for free with 5GB of storage
>> and let it host your contacts. It will sync everything across any and
>> all of your iCloud authenticated devices.
> 
> And if I don't want iCloud?
> I don't even have an Apple account, nor do I want one.
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Clay via Mercedes]

I used to get jiggy with command line and Unix.  Not done it for ages since 
setting and a slew of hackintosh boxes when 43 had the whitehouse.   I no 
longer found it “fun” to go spelunking in hardware and stuff as much as I had 
back with window 286 or the Timex Sinclair

clay 

“I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
self-recrimination and wetness.”

B. Johnson
01/09/2020

> On Nov 6, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Are you comfortable with command-line (Terminal) stuff?
> 
> Mac OS is unix under the covers.
> 
> Get both machines on your home network. Determine the IP address of the
> new machine. Run an ssh server on the new machine.
> 
> On the old machine, use scp, sftp, or rsync to copy your data to the new
> machine.
> 
> Allan
> 
> Clay via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> They only share RJ-45 and USB.  After scouring interwebz, looks like removal 
>> from MB and sticking it to USB 2 cable/sata cord for hooking to MBP to 
>> cherry pick files.
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> “I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
>> about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout 
>> of self-recrimination and wetness.”
>> 
>> B. Johnson
>> 01/09/2020
>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2020, at 1:32 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do both have firewire or thunderbolt? Get the appropriate cable and boot 
>>> one into target disk mode.
>>> That saved my bacon when my last MBP died...
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>  On Friday, November 6, 2020, 4:34:04 PM EST, Clay via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:  
>>> 
>>> Close the loop on this post.
>>> 
>>> I went with MBP 9,2, as it has the optical drive.  The HDD is good enough 
>>> for now, at 500GB.  Upgrading ram to 16GB, battery has fair life left.  I 
>>> had intended to upgrade to 2TB hybrid drive, max ram and fresh battery, but 
>>> got bogged down with trying to migrate data.
>>> 
>>> Short of yanking the drive from my current macbook and hooking it as 
>>> external, what other option? I should have done the migrations right off, 
>>> but the MBP came with a factory reset to 10.8.5 and required physical 
>>> connection.  I spent a day dragging the OS all the way to Catalina, 
>>> thinking it would then allow me to migrate, which with El Crapitan it 
>>> balked (MB is high sierra) saying the MBP was too retarded to access the MB 
>>> drive.  Now it says the MB is too retarded to be read by the MBP over wifi.
>>> 
>>> I suspect it will be much quicker to pull the MB drive and suck data onto 
>>> the MBP.  What holds me back is I am doing all my work from the Macbook, 
>>> and it now knows it is being replaces and has become recalcitrant about 
>>> responsiveness and trackpad/KB input.  Then, I will need to gather all the 
>>> data from the MacPro, once I return to SEA.  Another mess I suspect, as 
>>> that holds terabytes of photo and music.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> clay 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Clay via Mercedes]

The hotswap boot is stuck in SEA.  Just toss your drive in and go.  Like using 
the tape back ups used to be.  Not happy to learn from Jim that target disk no 
longer functions

clay 

“I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
self-recrimination and wetness.”

B. Johnson
01/09/2020

> On Nov 6, 2020, at 4:47 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I've got a cool external drive, I think its a Western Digital, that uses a 
> base that is just the normal SATA connectors. So I can pull the base off and 
> use it with just a bare drive if needed.
> -Curt
> 
>On Friday, November 6, 2020, 8:25:59 PM EST, Clay via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> They only share RJ-45 and USB.  After scouring interwebz, looks like removal 
> from MB and sticking it to USB 2 cable/sata cord for hooking to MBP to cherry 
> pick files.
> 
> clay 
> 
> “I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
> about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
> self-recrimination and wetness.”
> 
> B. Johnson
> 01/09/2020
> 
>> On Nov 6, 2020, at 1:32 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Do both have firewire or thunderbolt? Get the appropriate cable and boot one 
>> into target disk mode.
>> That saved my bacon when my last MBP died...
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>>   On Friday, November 6, 2020, 4:34:04 PM EST, Clay via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:  
>> 
>> Close the loop on this post.
>> 
>> I went with MBP 9,2, as it has the optical drive.  The HDD is good enough 
>> for now, at 500GB.  Upgrading ram to 16GB, battery has fair life left.  I 
>> had intended to upgrade to 2TB hybrid drive, max ram and fresh battery, but 
>> got bogged down with trying to migrate data.
>> 
>> Short of yanking the drive from my current macbook and hooking it as 
>> external, what other option? I should have done the migrations right off, 
>> but the MBP came with a factory reset to 10.8.5 and required physical 
>> connection.  I spent a day dragging the OS all the way to Catalina, thinking 
>> it would then allow me to migrate, which with El Crapitan it balked (MB is 
>> high sierra) saying the MBP was too retarded to access the MB drive.  Now it 
>> says the MB is too retarded to be read by the MBP over wifi.
>> 
>> I suspect it will be much quicker to pull the MB drive and suck data onto 
>> the MBP.  What holds me back is I am doing all my work from the Macbook, and 
>> it now knows it is being replaces and has become recalcitrant about 
>> responsiveness and trackpad/KB input.  Then, I will need to gather all the 
>> data from the MacPro, once I return to SEA.  Another mess I suspect, as that 
>> holds terabytes of photo and music.  
>> 
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
>> 
>> 
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> clay 
> 
> “I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
> about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
> self-recrimination and wetness.”
> 
> B. Johnson
> 01/09/2020
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Are you comfortable with command-line (Terminal) stuff?

Mac OS is unix under the covers.

Get both machines on your home network. Determine the IP address of the
new machine. Run an ssh server on the new machine.

On the old machine, use scp, sftp, or rsync to copy your data to the new
machine.

Allan

Clay via Mercedes  writes:

> They only share RJ-45 and USB.  After scouring interwebz, looks like removal 
> from MB and sticking it to USB 2 cable/sata cord for hooking to MBP to cherry 
> pick files.
>
> clay 
>
> “I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
> about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
> self-recrimination and wetness.”
>
> B. Johnson
> 01/09/2020
>
>> On Nov 6, 2020, at 1:32 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Do both have firewire or thunderbolt? Get the appropriate cable and boot one 
>> into target disk mode.
>> That saved my bacon when my last MBP died...
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>>   On Friday, November 6, 2020, 4:34:04 PM EST, Clay via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:  
>> 
>> Close the loop on this post.
>> 
>> I went with MBP 9,2, as it has the optical drive.  The HDD is good enough 
>> for now, at 500GB.  Upgrading ram to 16GB, battery has fair life left.  I 
>> had intended to upgrade to 2TB hybrid drive, max ram and fresh battery, but 
>> got bogged down with trying to migrate data.
>> 
>> Short of yanking the drive from my current macbook and hooking it as 
>> external, what other option? I should have done the migrations right off, 
>> but the MBP came with a factory reset to 10.8.5 and required physical 
>> connection.  I spent a day dragging the OS all the way to Catalina, thinking 
>> it would then allow me to migrate, which with El Crapitan it balked (MB is 
>> high sierra) saying the MBP was too retarded to access the MB drive.  Now it 
>> says the MB is too retarded to be read by the MBP over wifi.
>> 
>> I suspect it will be much quicker to pull the MB drive and suck data onto 
>> the MBP.  What holds me back is I am doing all my work from the Macbook, and 
>> it now knows it is being replaces and has become recalcitrant about 
>> responsiveness and trackpad/KB input.  Then, I will need to gather all the 
>> data from the MacPro, once I return to SEA.  Another mess I suspect, as that 
>> holds terabytes of photo and music.  
>> 
>> 
>> clay 
>> 

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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Clay via Mercedes]

Yes

Just trying to find the Appstore crap that I purchased is a trial.  Yesterday 
(not catalina) I could see all the things I ever had.  Today, the interface is 
opaque and convoluted and shows nothing I have elsewhere.  I search while 
looking at the applications folder, and find most of it GONE.  Like Firefox and 
the anti virus/spyware stuff.  Productivity, games, lots of things remain alive 
on the MB, but will not find fertile ground in the MBP.

Itunes?  Now I am locked out, so must find a way to import the old libraries.  
And it will not show my store credits.  Says I am flat broke.  Must be because 
I refused to give them banking data for apple pay.

clay 

> On Nov 6, 2020, at 4:37 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Getting our latest acquisition, a MBP 9,2 for my son's college career, 
> brought up to date
> was nightmarish.  We had a failing internal HD cable that was to blame for 
> half of it, but
> once that was addressed Apple's new crop of script kiddies was to blame for 
> the rest.
> It probably would have gone smoothly with rotating media, but a flash drive 
> can now
> ONLY be formatted with the new filesystem, which means things like target 
> disk mode
> (from El Krapitan) won't work.  The new OS installers check, and WON'T work 
> to deliver
> an OS via target disk mode, unlike in the prior decades.  We were unable to 
> 'restore' this
> machine to the state of his prior laptop and then upgrade the OS to Catalina. 
>  (I've done
> that sort of thing before, in past years' upgrades.)  It took me weeks to get 
> the machine
> into the state I expected to be able to reach in a few hours.  It's fine now, 
> and works well,
> but getting there?
> 
> Not Impressed.
> 
> -- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I've got a cool external drive, I think its a Western Digital, that uses a 
base that is just the normal SATA connectors. So I can pull the base off and 
use it with just a bare drive if needed.
-Curt

On Friday, November 6, 2020, 8:25:59 PM EST, Clay via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 They only share RJ-45 and USB.  After scouring interwebz, looks like removal 
from MB and sticking it to USB 2 cable/sata cord for hooking to MBP to cherry 
pick files.

clay 

“I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
self-recrimination and wetness.”

B. Johnson
01/09/2020

> On Nov 6, 2020, at 1:32 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Do both have firewire or thunderbolt? Get the appropriate cable and boot one 
> into target disk mode.
> That saved my bacon when my last MBP died...
> 
> -Curt
> 
>  On Friday, November 6, 2020, 4:34:04 PM EST, Clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:  
> 
> Close the loop on this post.
> 
> I went with MBP 9,2, as it has the optical drive.  The HDD is good enough for 
> now, at 500GB.  Upgrading ram to 16GB, battery has fair life left.  I had 
> intended to upgrade to 2TB hybrid drive, max ram and fresh battery, but got 
> bogged down with trying to migrate data.
> 
> Short of yanking the drive from my current macbook and hooking it as 
> external, what other option? I should have done the migrations right off, but 
> the MBP came with a factory reset to 10.8.5 and required physical connection. 
>  I spent a day dragging the OS all the way to Catalina, thinking it would 
> then allow me to migrate, which with El Crapitan it balked (MB is high 
> sierra) saying the MBP was too retarded to access the MB drive.  Now it says 
> the MB is too retarded to be read by the MBP over wifi.
> 
> I suspect it will be much quicker to pull the MB drive and suck data onto the 
> MBP.  What holds me back is I am doing all my work from the Macbook, and it 
> now knows it is being replaces and has become recalcitrant about 
> responsiveness and trackpad/KB input.  Then, I will need to gather all the 
> data from the MacPro, once I return to SEA.  Another mess I suspect, as that 
> holds terabytes of photo and music.  
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> I'm locked out of one of my iCloud accounts. Even the nice guy from Apple 
> support couldn't make it work again.

Sounds familiar.  My dad had one but I never did, and when he passed I tried to 
take it over
so that his info wouldn't be lost.  I guess it worked, eventually, but what a 
PITA.

-- Jim


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[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Getting our latest acquisition, a MBP 9,2 for my son's college career, brought 
up to date
was nightmarish.  We had a failing internal HD cable that was to blame for half 
of it, but
once that was addressed Apple's new crop of script kiddies was to blame for the 
rest.
It probably would have gone smoothly with rotating media, but a flash drive can 
now
ONLY be formatted with the new filesystem, which means things like target disk 
mode
(from El Krapitan) won't work.  The new OS installers check, and WON'T work to 
deliver
an OS via target disk mode, unlike in the prior decades.  We were unable to 
'restore' this
machine to the state of his prior laptop and then upgrade the OS to Catalina.  
(I've done
that sort of thing before, in past years' upgrades.)  It took me weeks to get 
the machine
into the state I expected to be able to reach in a few hours.  It's fine now, 
and works well,
but getting there?

Not Impressed.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I'm locked out of one of my iCloud accounts. Even the nice guy from Apple 
support couldn't make it work again.
I use my apple account so infrequently its always locked out when I need to get 
into it...
-Curt

On Friday, November 6, 2020, 7:36:03 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On 2020-11-06 16:54, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> Dude,
> 
> It’s called “iCloud”. Set up an account for free with 5GB of storage
> and let it host your contacts. It will sync everything across any and
> all of your iCloud authenticated devices.
> 

And if I don't want iCloud?
I don't even have an Apple account, nor do I want one.
Mitch.

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[Clay via Mercedes]

They only share RJ-45 and USB.  After scouring interwebz, looks like removal 
from MB and sticking it to USB 2 cable/sata cord for hooking to MBP to cherry 
pick files.

clay 

“I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
self-recrimination and wetness.”

B. Johnson
01/09/2020

> On Nov 6, 2020, at 1:32 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Do both have firewire or thunderbolt? Get the appropriate cable and boot one 
> into target disk mode.
> That saved my bacon when my last MBP died...
> 
> -Curt
> 
>   On Friday, November 6, 2020, 4:34:04 PM EST, Clay via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Close the loop on this post.
> 
> I went with MBP 9,2, as it has the optical drive.  The HDD is good enough for 
> now, at 500GB.  Upgrading ram to 16GB, battery has fair life left.  I had 
> intended to upgrade to 2TB hybrid drive, max ram and fresh battery, but got 
> bogged down with trying to migrate data.
> 
> Short of yanking the drive from my current macbook and hooking it as 
> external, what other option? I should have done the migrations right off, but 
> the MBP came with a factory reset to 10.8.5 and required physical connection. 
>  I spent a day dragging the OS all the way to Catalina, thinking it would 
> then allow me to migrate, which with El Crapitan it balked (MB is high 
> sierra) saying the MBP was too retarded to access the MB drive.  Now it says 
> the MB is too retarded to be read by the MBP over wifi.
> 
> I suspect it will be much quicker to pull the MB drive and suck data onto the 
> MBP.  What holds me back is I am doing all my work from the Macbook, and it 
> now knows it is being replaces and has become recalcitrant about 
> responsiveness and trackpad/KB input.  Then, I will need to gather all the 
> data from the MacPro, once I return to SEA.  Another mess I suspect, as that 
> holds terabytes of photo and music.  
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
> 
> 
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about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
self-recrimination and wetness.”

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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2020-11-06 16:54, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Dude,

It’s called “iCloud”. Set up an account for free with 5GB of storage
and let it host your contacts. It will sync everything across any and
all of your iCloud authenticated devices.



And if I don't want iCloud?
I don't even have an Apple account, nor do I want one.
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Do both have firewire or thunderbolt? Get the appropriate cable and boot one 
into target disk mode.
That saved my bacon when my last MBP died...

-Curt

On Friday, November 6, 2020, 4:34:04 PM EST, Clay via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Close the loop on this post.

I went with MBP 9,2, as it has the optical drive.  The HDD is good enough for 
now, at 500GB.  Upgrading ram to 16GB, battery has fair life left.  I had 
intended to upgrade to 2TB hybrid drive, max ram and fresh battery, but got 
bogged down with trying to migrate data.

Short of yanking the drive from my current macbook and hooking it as external, 
what other option? I should have done the migrations right off, but the MBP 
came with a factory reset to 10.8.5 and required physical connection.  I spent 
a day dragging the OS all the way to Catalina, thinking it would then allow me 
to migrate, which with El Crapitan it balked (MB is high sierra) saying the MBP 
was too retarded to access the MB drive.  Now it says the MB is too retarded to 
be read by the MBP over wifi.

I suspect it will be much quicker to pull the MB drive and suck data onto the 
MBP.  What holds me back is I am doing all my work from the Macbook, and it now 
knows it is being replaces and has become recalcitrant about responsiveness and 
trackpad/KB input.  Then, I will need to gather all the data from the MacPro, 
once I return to SEA.  Another mess I suspect, as that holds terabytes of photo 
and music.  


clay 

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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Dude,

It’s called “iCloud”. Set up an account for free with 5GB of storage and let it 
host your contacts. It will sync everything across any and all of your iCloud 
authenticated devices.

-D


> On Nov 6, 2020, at 4:49 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I feel your pain.
> I merely wanted to copy my contacts list from one iPhone (iOS 13) to another 
> (iOS 12).
> Did the put the phones together and let phone 1 set up phone 2.
> But that didn't move contacts.
> In fact, in the eyes of Apple, there is no excuse to ever want to copy 
> contacts from one phone to another. If you want to copy anything, you want to 
> copy the whole thing, across your computer using iTunes. But first, we need 
> to update both phones to the latest iOS, so that takes an overnight 4GB 
> download, two nights for two phones.
> And since you're copying the whole phone, everything you have saved on the 
> receiving phone gets obliterated. But you copied your contact list and it 
> only took two days.
> 
> I should have manually typed the contacts in, there were only about 50 of 
> them.
> 
> The price you pay for supposedly better privacy than Goolag allows is devices 
> that won't do a damn thing you want them to do, but instead force you to do 
> what Apple wants you to do.
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I feel your pain.
I merely wanted to copy my contacts list from one iPhone (iOS 13) to 
another (iOS 12).

Did the put the phones together and let phone 1 set up phone 2.
But that didn't move contacts.
In fact, in the eyes of Apple, there is no excuse to ever want to copy 
contacts from one phone to another. If you want to copy anything, you 
want to copy the whole thing, across your computer using iTunes. But 
first, we need to update both phones to the latest iOS, so that takes an 
overnight 4GB download, two nights for two phones.
And since you're copying the whole phone, everything you have saved on 
the receiving phone gets obliterated. But you copied your contact list 
and it only took two days.


I should have manually typed the contacts in, there were only about 50 
of them.


The price you pay for supposedly better privacy than Goolag allows is 
devices that won't do a damn thing you want them to do, but instead 
force you to do what Apple wants you to do.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Clay via Mercedes]

Close the loop on this post.

I went with MBP 9,2, as it has the optical drive.  The HDD is good enough for 
now, at 500GB.  Upgrading ram to 16GB, battery has fair life left.  I had 
intended to upgrade to 2TB hybrid drive, max ram and fresh battery, but got 
bogged down with trying to migrate data.

Short of yanking the drive from my current macbook and hooking it as external, 
what other option? I should have done the migrations right off, but the MBP 
came with a factory reset to 10.8.5 and required physical connection.  I spent 
a day dragging the OS all the way to Catalina, thinking it would then allow me 
to migrate, which with El Crapitan it balked (MB is high sierra) saying the MBP 
was too retarded to access the MB drive.  Now it says the MB is too retarded to 
be read by the MBP over wifi.

I suspect it will be much quicker to pull the MB drive and suck data onto the 
MBP.  What holds me back is I am doing all my work from the Macbook, and it now 
knows it is being replaces and has become recalcitrant about responsiveness and 
trackpad/KB input.  Then, I will need to gather all the data from the MacPro, 
once I return to SEA.  Another mess I suspect, as that holds terabytes of photo 
and music.  


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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 +1, every yard needs a shed and if you've already got one shed then you can 
just be "Two sheds".
When I go to deer hunting camp in a couple weeks I get to start moving stuff 
from Garage 1 to garage 2. We shoulda just built garage 1 twice as big in the 
first place but it was already a boondoggle. Originally a 10x12 shed it ended 
up being a 16x24 garage. The new garage is also 16x24 and should probably have 
been 24x40. At least I got dad to add a 10' wide car port down one side...

-Curt

On Wednesday, October 28, 2020, 9:25:14 AM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I'm thinking a man shed/dog house, 12x16 should do it, gives a goodly 
amount of space.  Use SIPs for quick erection and insulated envelope, 
you could have it up and closed in with a day or two work.  Add a loft 
for a sleeping space, get a 5gal bucket with a plastic trash bag and 
kitty litter for business calls.

--FT

On 10/27/20 12:18 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
>> I could look in to setting up a fainting lounge in the heated crawl space to 
>> keep from bonking my head on the joists.  Awful dark there, and not sure 
>> outlets are down there.  Maybe a slew of tuffets and giant pillows?  It 
>> would be rather Addam’s family.
> Heat and space are the two tricky bits, everything else is negotiable.  Light 
> and power?
> Easy-peasy in comparison, extension cords are your friends.  Orange is the 
> new Romex...
> Tacking foam pipe insulation on the corners of the hazards would be easy and 
> cheap.
> Overhead flooring with pokey exposed nail tips can be neutered by gluing up 
> 1" styrofoam
> boards.  I like the idea of a Festerian refuge...  Maybe you could 
> occasionally don the
> appropriate costume when emerging out of there?
>
> -- Jim
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[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I'm thinking a man shed/dog house, 12x16 should do it, gives a goodly 
amount of space.  Use SIPs for quick erection and insulated envelope, 
you could have it up and closed in with a day or two work.  Add a loft 
for a sleeping space, get a 5gal bucket with a plastic trash bag and 
kitty litter for business calls.


--FT

On 10/27/20 12:18 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

I could look in to setting up a fainting lounge in the heated crawl space to 
keep from bonking my head on the joists.  Awful dark there, and not sure 
outlets are down there.  Maybe a slew of tuffets and giant pillows?  It would 
be rather Addam’s family.

Heat and space are the two tricky bits, everything else is negotiable.  Light 
and power?
Easy-peasy in comparison, extension cords are your friends.  Orange is the new 
Romex...
Tacking foam pipe insulation on the corners of the hazards would be easy and 
cheap.
Overhead flooring with pokey exposed nail tips can be neutered by gluing up 1" 
styrofoam
boards.   I like the idea of a Festerian refuge...  Maybe you could 
occasionally don the
appropriate costume when emerging out of there?

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Back to the original topic:
Lenovo $1200
https://slickdeals.net/f/14470007-lenovo-thinkpad-x1-carbon-i7-10510u-14-fhd-16gb-ddr3-1tb-ssd-1200-free-shipping?src=frontpage

LG Gram $1100
https://www.costco.com/lg-gram-17-in.-laptop%2c-10th-gen-intel-core-i7%2c-16gb-ram%2c-512gb-ssd.product.100536334.html

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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

My area of suburban Montgomery County Maryland outside DC is a well-known
radon belt. I've lived in two different homes that had high readings. My
current home has one of those evacuation systems that constantly exhaust
air from the basement.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 2:13 AM Clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Yes, there is Radon.  I will stick a hose out the vent and breathe through
> that
>
> clay
>
> “I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our
> history, about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this
> general bout of self-recrimination and wetness.”
>
> B. Johnson
> 01/09/2020
>
> > On Oct 27, 2020, at 12:46 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 26/10/2020 9:14 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I have been deemed incongruous with the decor.  Place was purchased
> without consideration for addition of more than SWMBA and #2 boy, so no
> spare space to stake out.  Guest room is now off limits to maintain client
> secrets.  She does scamper away to the secure location, slamming the door,
> in the middle of calls.
> >>
> >> I could look in to setting up a fainting lounge in the heated crawl
> space to keep from bonking my head on the joists.  Awful dark there, and
> not sure outlets are down there.  Maybe a slew of tuffets and giant
> pillows?  It would be rather Addam’s family.
> >>
> >>
> >> clay
> >>
> > Does Alaska suffer from Radon?
> >
> > RB
> >
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>
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> history, about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this
> general bout of self-recrimination and wetness.”
>
> B. Johnson
> 01/09/2020
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[Clay via Mercedes]

Yes, there is Radon.  I will stick a hose out the vent and breathe through that

clay 

“I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
self-recrimination and wetness.”

B. Johnson
01/09/2020

> On Oct 27, 2020, at 12:46 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 26/10/2020 9:14 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote:
>> I have been deemed incongruous with the decor.  Place was purchased without 
>> consideration for addition of more than SWMBA and #2 boy, so no spare space 
>> to stake out.  Guest room is now off limits to maintain client secrets.  She 
>> does scamper away to the secure location, slamming the door, in the middle 
>> of calls.
>> 
>> I could look in to setting up a fainting lounge in the heated crawl space to 
>> keep from bonking my head on the joists.  Awful dark there, and not sure 
>> outlets are down there.  Maybe a slew of tuffets and giant pillows?  It 
>> would be rather Addam’s family.
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
> Does Alaska suffer from Radon?
> 
> RB
> 
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about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
self-recrimination and wetness.”

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[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 26/10/2020 9:14 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote:

I have been deemed incongruous with the decor.  Place was purchased without 
consideration for addition of more than SWMBA and #2 boy, so no spare space to 
stake out.  Guest room is now off limits to maintain client secrets.  She does 
scamper away to the secure location, slamming the door, in the middle of calls.

I could look in to setting up a fainting lounge in the heated crawl space to 
keep from bonking my head on the joists.  Awful dark there, and not sure 
outlets are down there.  Maybe a slew of tuffets and giant pillows?  It would 
be rather Addam’s family.


clay


Does Alaska suffer from Radon?

RB


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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I assume the house is insulated at ceiling level. If you closed in a bit 
of the attic and insulated between the rafters, it would likely heat 
with rising air from below. Put one of those drop down ladders in the 
hallway. If you can do the attic room near a gable end, you could 
install a window and have some natural light.


Much better than the crawl space. The only story I recall about someone 
living in the crawl space was a high school student here in Winnipeg who 
crawled out one day and went to school and shot a fellow student. Crawl 
spaces are depressing.


RB





On 27/10/2020 3:05 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote:

I did take a peek, it has a much smaller opening in the washroom ceiling and 
not heated at all unless I cuddle next to the drier vent

clay

“I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
self-recrimination and wetness.”

B. Johnson
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On Oct 27, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:

On 27/10/2020 11:18 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

I could look in to setting up a fainting lounge in the heated crawl space to 
keep from bonking my head on the joists.  Awful dark there, and not sure 
outlets are down there.  Maybe a slew of tuffets and giant pillows?  It would 
be rather Addam’s family.

Heat and space are the two tricky bits, everything else is negotiable.  Light 
and power?
Easy-peasy in comparison, extension cords are your friends.  Orange is the new 
Romex...
Tacking foam pipe insulation on the corners of the hazards would be easy and 
cheap.
Overhead flooring with pokey exposed nail tips can be neutered by gluing up 1" 
styrofoam
boards.   I like the idea of a Festerian refuge...  Maybe you could 
occasionally don the
appropriate costume when emerging out of there?

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Clay via Mercedes]

I did take a peek, it has a much smaller opening in the washroom ceiling and 
not heated at all unless I cuddle next to the drier vent

clay 

“I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
self-recrimination and wetness.”

B. Johnson
01/09/2020

> On Oct 27, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 27/10/2020 11:18 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I could look in to setting up a fainting lounge in the heated crawl space 
>>> to keep from bonking my head on the joists.  Awful dark there, and not sure 
>>> outlets are down there.  Maybe a slew of tuffets and giant pillows?  It 
>>> would be rather Addam’s family.
>> Heat and space are the two tricky bits, everything else is negotiable.  
>> Light and power?
>> Easy-peasy in comparison, extension cords are your friends.  Orange is the 
>> new Romex...
>> Tacking foam pipe insulation on the corners of the hazards would be easy and 
>> cheap.
>> Overhead flooring with pokey exposed nail tips can be neutered by gluing up 
>> 1" styrofoam
>> boards.   I like the idea of a Festerian refuge...  Maybe you could 
>> occasionally don the
>> appropriate costume when emerging out of there?
>> 
>> -- Jim
>> 
>> 
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> What is available upwards? Attic space may be taller and may be an easier 
> place to make some usable space.
> 
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> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 27/10/2020 11:18 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

I could look in to setting up a fainting lounge in the heated crawl space to 
keep from bonking my head on the joists.  Awful dark there, and not sure 
outlets are down there.  Maybe a slew of tuffets and giant pillows?  It would 
be rather Addam’s family.

Heat and space are the two tricky bits, everything else is negotiable.  Light 
and power?
Easy-peasy in comparison, extension cords are your friends.  Orange is the new 
Romex...
Tacking foam pipe insulation on the corners of the hazards would be easy and 
cheap.
Overhead flooring with pokey exposed nail tips can be neutered by gluing up 1" 
styrofoam
boards.   I like the idea of a Festerian refuge...  Maybe you could 
occasionally don the
appropriate costume when emerging out of there?

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> I could look in to setting up a fainting lounge in the heated crawl space to 
> keep from bonking my head on the joists.  Awful dark there, and not sure 
> outlets are down there.  Maybe a slew of tuffets and giant pillows?  It would 
> be rather Addam’s family.

Heat and space are the two tricky bits, everything else is negotiable.  Light 
and power?
Easy-peasy in comparison, extension cords are your friends.  Orange is the new 
Romex...
Tacking foam pipe insulation on the corners of the hazards would be easy and 
cheap.
Overhead flooring with pokey exposed nail tips can be neutered by gluing up 1" 
styrofoam
boards.   I like the idea of a Festerian refuge...  Maybe you could 
occasionally don the
appropriate costume when emerging out of there?

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Clay via Mercedes]

The Firm used to rely upon Lenovo, but some sort of Sino Spy chips got added 
and IT banned them.  Now it is all M$ $urface that leads to weekly calls to 
outsourced help desk and rapid deployment of replacement hardware, since the 
stuff is so bug ridden.

I am out of the hackintosh loop as for which pc laptop is viable in that manner.

clay 

“I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
self-recrimination and wetness.”

B. Johnson
01/09/2020

> On Oct 26, 2020, at 7:04 AM, ned kleinhenz via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> In my last job we would get new Lenovo ThinkPads every few years.  I can
> vouch they were very rugged and had nice features for travelling
> engineering and business use.  Except for hard drives, the hardware would
> never wear out.  The operating systems and peripherals would just become
> obsolete.  Of course that was five to ten years ago and I can't vouch for
> the current ThinkPad products.
> Ned
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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Clay via Mercedes]

I have been deemed incongruous with the decor.  Place was purchased without 
consideration for addition of more than SWMBA and #2 boy, so no spare space to 
stake out.  Guest room is now off limits to maintain client secrets.  She does 
scamper away to the secure location, slamming the door, in the middle of calls.

I could look in to setting up a fainting lounge in the heated crawl space to 
keep from bonking my head on the joists.  Awful dark there, and not sure 
outlets are down there.  Maybe a slew of tuffets and giant pillows?  It would 
be rather Addam’s family.


clay 

“I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
self-recrimination and wetness.”

B. Johnson
01/09/2020

> On Oct 26, 2020, at 5:28 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Bought 2012 MBP for college unit, specifically because it was the last mobile
> upgradeable device from Apple that had no reliability concerns.  Non-retina,
> no auxiliary GPU.  At the time it was the oldest thing they made that was 
> fully
> supported.  It has since been abandoned by Apple, but should be able to
> serve out its four-year hitch running on Catalina.
> 
> I have my dad's 2018 MBP.  Nice enough unit, but I now rarely use it in favor
> of the MP 5,1 upon which I type this.  It is reserved for on-the-road needs.
> I can also jack it (and its dock) into this desktop array, so I can use the 
> big
> monitor and ergo keyboard if I need to, via the KVM switch.  (Backup system,
> since I rely upon this MP for work.)
> 
> Can you _make_ yourself a space?  I acquired a very small old wooden desk,
> top surface 30x16.5", to make a MP workstation upstairs.  Finding an old chair
> narrow enough to go into its footwell took a bit of looking, but once set up 
> this all
> occupied a not very big piece of wall in the corner of the dining room.  
> Retired it
> once full-time WFH kicked in, and I revamped the computer room and moved
> in there.  (Had to displace the big Trinitron monitor, and the G3 and ADB 
> keyboard,
> which tells you how long ago it had been set up.  Also de-fanned the 24x7 gear
> that lives in here with me, making life much more pleasant.  The MP's own 
> fans,
> capable of floating the MP out of the room if on high, never come off idle.)
> 
> -- Jim
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Greg Fiorentino recommended Lenovo Thinkpads years ago. I bought several, and 
they are great machines. They are ancient, but still do quite well. The T410 I 
have is several generations old, but still supports Windows 10 (and Linux) very 
well. His last recommendation when I asked a while back was a ThinkPad W530.

Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: October 26, 2020 10:44 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

My daughter's who had been raised on HP enterprise class laptops - high
school and college - have since moved to Lenovo Thinkpads and haven't
looked back. That's what I would look for, and install an SSD - should last a 
long time.
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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[OK Don via Mercedes]

My daughter's who had been raised on HP enterprise class laptops - high
school and college - have since moved to Lenovo Thinkpads and haven't
looked back. That's what I would look for, and install an SSD - should last
a long time.
I don't know what kind of crap all the W10 users load that blows up the OS,
but it has been rock solid for me, as have been all of the previous
versions except ME. I did manage 10,000 Windows desktops in a previous job
and did occasionally need to re-image some of them. They weren't totally
locked down, so the users could get creative in ways to blow them up.
Rather than try to un-do the damage, we'd squirt a new image on the disk.
All the documents and files that mattered to the enterprise were on
servers, so blowing away the old stuff on the disk was not an issue.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 10:05 AM ned kleinhenz via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> In my last job we would get new Lenovo ThinkPads every few years.  I can
> vouch they were very rugged and had nice features for travelling
> engineering and business use.  Except for hard drives, the hardware would
> never wear out.  The operating systems and peripherals would just become
> obsolete.  Of course that was five to ten years ago and I can't vouch for
> the current ThinkPad products.
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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Bought 2012 MBP for college unit, specifically because it was the last mobile
upgradeable device from Apple that had no reliability concerns.  Non-retina,
no auxiliary GPU.  At the time it was the oldest thing they made that was fully
supported.  It has since been abandoned by Apple, but should be able to
serve out its four-year hitch running on Catalina.

I have my dad's 2018 MBP.  Nice enough unit, but I now rarely use it in favor
of the MP 5,1 upon which I type this.  It is reserved for on-the-road needs.
I can also jack it (and its dock) into this desktop array, so I can use the big
monitor and ergo keyboard if I need to, via the KVM switch.  (Backup system,
since I rely upon this MP for work.)

Can you _make_ yourself a space?  I acquired a very small old wooden desk,
top surface 30x16.5", to make a MP workstation upstairs.  Finding an old chair
narrow enough to go into its footwell took a bit of looking, but once set up 
this all
occupied a not very big piece of wall in the corner of the dining room.  
Retired it
once full-time WFH kicked in, and I revamped the computer room and moved
in there.  (Had to displace the big Trinitron monitor, and the G3 and ADB 
keyboard,
which tells you how long ago it had been set up.  Also de-fanned the 24x7 gear
that lives in here with me, making life much more pleasant.  The MP's own fans,
capable of floating the MP out of the room if on high, never come off idle.)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Lenovo ThinkPads are reputidly solid. No direct experience.

Allan


Clay via Mercedes  writes:

> The rest of the family uses winder 10.  There are multiple crisis each week 
> with winders or the hardware going AWOL.  I quit using winblows with XP when 
> it kacked itself somehow and refused to allow a re-install with the factory 
> disk.  At that point I moved to Linux for that hardware, going pure MacOS.   
> Some of the HP laptops, both factory and costco aged out quickly with the 
> boys using them at school.  Not sure why, but two years in (even with the 
> cutting edge i7) they “needed” to build towers to meet the computing needs.
>
> I think I will look at the refurbs/renew until the reliability of the newest 
> apple hardware proves out.  Trash can MP seemed a tangle of cords and 
> peripherals when it came out.  The portable need is related to lack of access 
> to desk in the current house.  I have to schlep from surface/seat with all 
> the “home schooling/lockdown” panic.  Makes me think home offices will become 
> a major design theme for the next decades in new construction.  No more 
> granite and brushed SS or box beam ceilings
>
> clay 
>
> “I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
> about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
> self-recrimination and wetness.”
>
> B. Johnson
> 01/09/2020
>

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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Clay via Mercedes]

The rest of the family uses winder 10.  There are multiple crisis each week 
with winders or the hardware going AWOL.  I quit using winblows with XP when it 
kacked itself somehow and refused to allow a re-install with the factory disk.  
At that point I moved to Linux for that hardware, going pure MacOS.   Some of 
the HP laptops, both factory and costco aged out quickly with the boys using 
them at school.  Not sure why, but two years in (even with the cutting edge i7) 
they “needed” to build towers to meet the computing needs.

I think I will look at the refurbs/renew until the reliability of the newest 
apple hardware proves out.  Trash can MP seemed a tangle of cords and 
peripherals when it came out.  The portable need is related to lack of access 
to desk in the current house.  I have to schlep from surface/seat with all the 
“home schooling/lockdown” panic.  Makes me think home offices will become a 
major design theme for the next decades in new construction.  No more granite 
and brushed SS or box beam ceilings

clay 

“I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
self-recrimination and wetness.”

B. Johnson
01/09/2020

> On Oct 25, 2020, at 4:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Carp, I forgot he wanted a laptop. I haven't kept up with the newer models. I 
> was talking to some guys at a reseller in New Zealand the other day and they 
> were talking about an HP something but I can't remember what.My boss has an 
> HP that looks similar to a Macbook but its plastic so its lighter and doesn't 
> burn your legs. If I'd known about it when I got my mac I'd never have gotten 
> what I've got now.
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Carp, I forgot he wanted a laptop. I haven't kept up with the newer models. I 
was talking to some guys at a reseller in New Zealand the other day and they 
were talking about an HP something but I can't remember what.My boss has an HP 
that looks similar to a Macbook but its plastic so its lighter and doesn't burn 
your legs. If I'd known about it when I got my mac I'd never have gotten what 
I've got now.
-Curt

On Sunday, October 25, 2020, 8:44:43 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I'm typing this on a HP G72 that I bought for $400 at Radio Shack nearly 
ten years ago.
3 Problems:
About 4 years ago I lost two vertical lines on the display.
When it first happened, moving the lid would fix it, so the problem is 
with the flat flex circuit going through the hinge, not the display 
panel itself. I figured that was just a random thing.
2 years ago I had to replace the battery. 1 year ago the Chinese 
replacement battery was worse than the original battery. Cheap Amazon 
battery #2 is holding up fine.
This summer one of the hinges jammed, and cracked the lid at the hinge. 
This seems to be something that happens to them all eventually, but it 
took over nine years to happen to me, so hard to be mad.

Next computer will probably be a $600 17" HP from Costco. Hoping to 
either get the current ones for $500 or one with an 11th gen processor 
for $600 by year end. These days a cheap $600 lappy comes with 12GB ram 
and 1 TB hard drive, and the Costco HPs still have a DVD writer.

On 2020-10-25 19:37, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> HP Z2. Less cost, better support from the manufacturer.



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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

If Clay isn’t set on a Mac, I would concur that there are any number of more 
than adequate HPs out there that will meet or exceed his needs.

I picked up an i5 17” behemoth for the wife just before Xmas last year courtesy 
of a sharp-eyed HP employee buddy I know. for less than $300. Even without 
specials, $500 can get you a pretty nice new HP laptop that will serve you well 
and last a while.

-D who is a Mac guy but vendor neutral when it comes to the work that has to be 
done with the hardware



> On Oct 25, 2020, at 8:43 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm typing this on a HP G72 that I bought for $400 at Radio Shack nearly ten 
> years ago.
> 3 Problems:
> About 4 years ago I lost two vertical lines on the display.
> When it first happened, moving the lid would fix it, so the problem is with 
> the flat flex circuit going through the hinge, not the display panel itself. 
> I figured that was just a random thing.
> 2 years ago I had to replace the battery. 1 year ago the Chinese replacement 
> battery was worse than the original battery. Cheap Amazon battery #2 is 
> holding up fine.
> This summer one of the hinges jammed, and cracked the lid at the hinge. This 
> seems to be something that happens to them all eventually, but it took over 
> nine years to happen to me, so hard to be mad.
> 
> Next computer will probably be a $600 17" HP from Costco. Hoping to either 
> get the current ones for $500 or one with an 11th gen processor for $600 by 
> year end. These days a cheap $600 lappy comes with 12GB ram and 1 TB hard 
> drive, and the Costco HPs still have a DVD writer.
> 
> On 2020-10-25 19:37, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> HP Z2. Less cost, better support from the manufacturer.
> 
> 
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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I'm typing this on a HP G72 that I bought for $400 at Radio Shack nearly 
ten years ago.

3 Problems:
About 4 years ago I lost two vertical lines on the display.
When it first happened, moving the lid would fix it, so the problem is 
with the flat flex circuit going through the hinge, not the display 
panel itself. I figured that was just a random thing.
2 years ago I had to replace the battery. 1 year ago the Chinese 
replacement battery was worse than the original battery. Cheap Amazon 
battery #2 is holding up fine.
This summer one of the hinges jammed, and cracked the lid at the hinge. 
This seems to be something that happens to them all eventually, but it 
took over nine years to happen to me, so hard to be mad.


Next computer will probably be a $600 17" HP from Costco. Hoping to 
either get the current ones for $500 or one with an 11th gen processor 
for $600 by year end. These days a cheap $600 lappy comes with 12GB ram 
and 1 TB hard drive, and the Costco HPs still have a DVD writer.


On 2020-10-25 19:37, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

HP Z2. Less cost, better support from the manufacturer.




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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 HP Z2. Less cost, better support from the manufacturer.
Everything Apple has made since the Retina MacBook is crap. I've got a touchbar 
mac, its the first laptop I've had that is of lesser quality than the one that 
preceded it. Its slower and has the worst keyboard I've ever used barring the 
Atari 400 membrane.I've got a trashcan Mac Pro that I got for a song. If I'd 
had to pay list for it I'd never have had one but its a good, competent machine 
for home use that merely cost 2x what it was worth.

On Sunday, October 25, 2020, 5:04:31 PM EDT, Clay via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I am needing a desktop replacement, maybe, for life in GWN.  Being in a small 
house, locked away due to WRD, portable would be better, as there is no 
chamber/room to actually set up my Mac Pro.  

Currently I depend upon a 2009 macbook that is getting long in the tooth.  
Hardware in SEA, yet to arrive here is the MP 3,1 loaded out with 4-2GB drives, 
32GB ram, dual Xeon 3.2.  This is the homebase unit with all data 
(photo/video/audio) and pairing of devices.  There is a time machine hdd as 
well as some external drives (firewire).  Other unit is a mid 2010 mac mini 
fully outfitted and time machine unit as well, that hooked to the old 52” TV.

Should I really be looking at the current crop of hardware, be it Mac Pro or 
MBP 16?  Cost and lack of optical drive/upgrade path deter going for either.  
Retina models were a quality quagmire, which leaves the mid 2012 MBP.  Not sure 
the soda can MP solves anything.

Chime in please


clay 

“I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
self-recrimination and wetness.”

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Re: [MBZ] Mac laptop

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Depends.

If you’re looking for a laptop and the related lack of weight and ease of use, 
I would recommend a 13” i5 or greater MacBook Air from maybe 2013-14. Beware 
MacBook Pros from 2014-2018, as they had well known issues with displays and 
keyboards.

I have a 2013 13” MBA and while I rarely use it, when I do I like it. Look on 
Apple’s refurb site for some later model stuff at good prices. Not sure they 
would go back that far. Looks like a later (2017) MBA fairly well dressed out 
is about $1000:

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/FQD42LL/A/Refurbished-133-inch-MacBook-Air-18GHz-dual-core-Intel-Core-i5?fnode=7649eb447ce4f2da51473bea697e26c05ddb4798d3b40fa1a22e2c8d279d8a87ba10bcdb1b3e5a455bd35b0a8a127d1ad49abda36c142e2975eafeaeb27f0c2a2c0e911bb1930f063d93ee14b787c7a1
 


If you’re set on a particular model you can use a refurb tracker site like this 
one to alert you what’s on the site, as things come and go pretty quickly:

https://refurb-tracker.com 

-D

> On Oct 25, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I am needing a desktop replacement, maybe, for life in GWN.  Being in a small 
> house, locked away due to WRD, portable would be better, as there is no 
> chamber/room to actually set up my Mac Pro.  
> 
> Currently I depend upon a 2009 macbook that is getting long in the tooth.  
> Hardware in SEA, yet to arrive here is the MP 3,1 loaded out with 4-2GB 
> drives, 32GB ram, dual Xeon 3.2.  This is the homebase unit with all data 
> (photo/video/audio) and pairing of devices.  There is a time machine hdd as 
> well as some external drives (firewire).   Other unit is a mid 2010 mac mini 
> fully outfitted and time machine unit as well, that hooked to the old 52” TV.
> 
> Should I really be looking at the current crop of hardware, be it Mac Pro or 
> MBP 16?  Cost and lack of optical drive/upgrade path deter going for either.  
> Retina models were a quality quagmire, which leaves the mid 2012 MBP.  Not 
> sure the soda can MP solves anything.
> 
> Chime in please
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> “I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
> about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
> self-recrimination and wetness.”
> 
> B. Johnson
> 01/09/2020
> 
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