Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Here only one person involved in the call has to be aware it is being 
recorded

Ed Booher wrote:
> On Jan 23, 2008 8:30 AM, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> I think there are rules regarding recording phone calls, but don't
>> know just what they are.
>>
>>
> The other party must know they are being recorded to make it admissable
> evidence. However, you can plug a tone generator into the line and let it
> beep every several seconds, this is considered the "sign" that a call is
> recorded and you can probably get several minutes into the call before he
> asks "What is that beeping" at which point you must inform him he is being
> recorded, which will probably cause him to hang up but at that point the
> damage is done.
> 
> Ed
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[R A Bennell]

Maybe he did real nice work and it was readily obvious.

I added onto my house a number of years ago. I hired the foundation and the 
drywall taping and the exterior stucco,
but I did all of the rest myself. The electrical inspector came to look before 
we put up the wallboard. He noted
one thing that I did and asked how I knew to do it. I told him I had worked as 
an electrician's helper during
summers while in highschool. He became a whole lot more relaxed once he learned 
that I had some idea how to do it.
I think I did a much neater job than an electrician would have because it was 
my house and no one was pushing me to
get it done fast. I had time to put in an extra staple here and there etc.

Randy

-Original Message-

I know of a fellow, basically built his entire house himself.  Framed
it, wired it, plumbed it.  Building inspection sign-offs were a
formality.  The county inspector would come out, take a sweeping
glance around, and sign it off, and be gone in under 5 minutes.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[LarryT]

Allan wrote:<>

Because that means someone has to catch them doing work - as it is now, the 
legal contractors hear about inferior work a month or more after the work is 
done & the owner wants it fixed.  Then, when talking to the owner, they say 
something about the workers not being very professional.  Maybe the person 
having the work done could do that?   No, they won;t risk losing that $10K 
contractor and having another do it for $30 k or $40k.   It has to be done 
another way.

You also said  formality.  The county inspector would come out, take a sweeping
> glance around, and sign it off, and be gone <>

Unfortunately that won;t get caught until/unless the house burns down 
because of shortcuts. Of course, it may last 100 years..

It's a tough problem -

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- Original Message - 
From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice


> "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Great points Tim!  As a side note, my son is a brick mason - his
>> boss, the owner of the company has started a 1 man crusade to get
>> the state or county building inspectors, or some government official
>> to make sure the contractor getting the building permit will only
>> use legal labor.
>
> I don't quite understand why more bureucracy would be needed to
> enforce something that's already illegal.  Why not just report the
> illegal job sites to immigration authorities?
>
>> Besides, who knows what substandard work gets past the inspectors -
>> and may cause a safety problem in the future?
>
> In a perfect world, licensing contractors and inspecting work sounds
> good.  Well I guess in a perfect world all contractors are honest,
> competent, and never cut corners.  However in practice it's often
> another story.
>
> I know of a fellow, basically built his entire house himself.  Framed
> it, wired it, plumbed it.  Building inspection sign-offs were a
> formality.  The county inspector would come out, take a sweeping
> glance around, and sign it off, and be gone in under 5 minutes.
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[Ed Booher]

On Jan 23, 2008 2:19 PM, Ed Booher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

You using a Mac?  If not then I can't help you.
>
> Ed
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>

For the Mac, (sorry) there is a program called Wiretap. It will record
anything audio that is passing through the Mac. So as long as you can hear
it on the Mac, you can record it.

(Fat fingered send button)

Ed


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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[Ed Booher]

On Jan 23, 2008 1:41 PM, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Anybody know if there is some freebie PC software out there that will
> use your sound card to record phone calls starting when you pick up
> the phone? Given the size of today's hard drives, I could probably get
> a couple thousand hours of conversation on one of them.
>
> Thanks for all the good info Mitch!
>
> -Dave Walton
>
>
You using a Mac?  If not then I can't help you.

Ed
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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[Allan Streib]

"LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Great points Tim!  As a side note, my son is a brick mason - his
> boss, the owner of the company has started a 1 man crusade to get
> the state or county building inspectors, or some government official
> to make sure the contractor getting the building permit will only
> use legal labor.

I don't quite understand why more bureucracy would be needed to
enforce something that's already illegal.  Why not just report the
illegal job sites to immigration authorities?

> Besides, who knows what substandard work gets past the inspectors -
> and may cause a safety problem in the future?

In a perfect world, licensing contractors and inspecting work sounds
good.  Well I guess in a perfect world all contractors are honest,
competent, and never cut corners.  However in practice it's often
another story.

I know of a fellow, basically built his entire house himself.  Framed
it, wired it, plumbed it.  Building inspection sign-offs were a
formality.  The county inspector would come out, take a sweeping
glance around, and sign it off, and be gone in under 5 minutes.

Allan
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1966 230

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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[dave walton]

Anybody know if there is some freebie PC software out there that will
use your sound card to record phone calls starting when you pick up
the phone? Given the size of today's hard drives, I could probably get
a couple thousand hours of conversation on one of them.

Thanks for all the good info Mitch!

-Dave Walton

On Jan 23, 2008 1:39 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Mitch Haley wrote:
> > 12 states require, under most circumstances, the consent of all parties to
> > a conversation. Those jurisdictions are California, Connecticut, Florida,
> > Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire,
> > Pennsylvania and Washington.
>
> I should also add that the Illinois Supreme Court has pretty much refused
> to enforce the anti-recording statute for any recordings made in your
> private home of your own conversations for your own reasonable purposes.
> I really don't know much about most of the states on the 'all party' list,
> I leave the research up to those who live there.
>
> And for those who are looking to present telephone evidence in a FEDERAL
> court, record away, unless you live in a state where recording may be
> a crime and there's a chance some idiot will prosecute you for it. (did
> somebody say Maryland?)
>
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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[Mitch Haley]

Mitch Haley wrote:
> 12 states require, under most circumstances, the consent of all parties to
> a conversation. Those jurisdictions are California, Connecticut, Florida,
> Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire,
> Pennsylvania and Washington.

I should also add that the Illinois Supreme Court has pretty much refused
to enforce the anti-recording statute for any recordings made in your 
private home of your own conversations for your own reasonable purposes. 
I really don't know much about most of the states on the 'all party' list,
I leave the research up to those who live there. 

And for those who are looking to present telephone evidence in a FEDERAL
court, record away, unless you live in a state where recording may be
a crime and there's a chance some idiot will prosecute you for it. (did
somebody say Maryland?)

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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[LarryT]

Hi Timothy, You wrote <>

Great points Tim!  As a side note, my son is a brick mason - his boss, the 
owner of the company has started a 1 man crusade to get the state or county 
building inspectors, or some government official to make sure the contractor 
getting the building permit will only use legal labor.  Presently, full time 
companies doing quality brick work pay their  top people around $40/hr. 
Lately, some contractors are using illegal labor and only paying them $5 - 
$6/hr - making it very difficult for licensed contractors to do business 
properly - that's what happens when the competition pays 1/3 what you are. 
As  you say, there are all kinds of expenses when running a business 
properly.  The overhead expenses can be enormous when trying to run a 
business and employ people - it generally doubles the cost of the employees 
hourly rate.   Although my son's company ends up getting paid to fix some of 
the work done by the illegal contractors they would prefer not to do that. 
Better to do things correctly the 1st time.  Besides, who knows what 
substandard work gets past the inspectors - and may cause a safety problem 
in the future?

 I'm not big on unions, so I don't want to advocate that, but someone needs 
to monitor the labor being used here.

Gotta go put my anti-flame suit on ;-)

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- Original Message - 
From: "Timothy Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice


Hey, you know this sounds kinda like the state licensing of contractors,
insurance salesmen, etc.

Not that I advocate more "government regulation," but it can be a good
thing. It not only protects the consumer but also the tradesman. Every month
I receive a state newsletter which lists pending actions and resolutions by
the state licensing board. These actions are usually a result of complaints
by someone who engaged another's service and the job wasn't performed
satisfactorily. The most often infraction is one engaging in business
without being licensed.

IMHO inspections are a good thing which protect you, the homeowner but also
me as the electrical contractor. Face it, if your house burns down and they
can't decide the cause of the fire it's often assumed to be electrical? As
last person on record that work on your house, I'd wanna be protected (and
my liability insurance) by knowing that the work I had done was signed off
on by the local inspection authority (in this state under the insurance
commission).

Course, what can be done if you have a "friend of a friend" who knows how to
hook that generator and though is unlicensed, he'll do it cheaper than I as
he doesn't have the expense of pulling a permit, liability insurance nor
workman's comp? Same with mechanics. We all know "miracle working" indies
who if were required to pass a state board every year (and associated fees
of being in business) would probably not be able to work. Such regulation
would probably put some good people out of business.

Used to a plaque at a business stating they were members of the Better
Business Bureau meant something. One can still call the local bureau and get
a report of any complaints or actions against a business. I personally go to
the local courthouse and look up and civil actions against new contractors
that I don't know.

Bottom line on car repair? I've been guilty of making hasty decisions under
duress when a vehicle broke down on me. Used to the automatic option was to
return a car to the dealer where it was purchased. Many people do that just
because of warranty. Doesn't apply to we folks who drive these 25+ year old
beautys. Mine really should qualify for "Medicar" <Look! I made a
funny!).

Under duress though... that's kinda like funeral homes who are required by
the Federal Trade Commission to give you a list upfront of their costs of
services when you have to plant old Aunt Madge. Maybe at least a shop should
provide a list of fees (including diagnostic) upfront.





> From: Bob Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:29:33 -0700
> To: "mercedes@okiebenz.com" 
> Subject: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice
>
> I am Executive Director at the Alberta Motor Vehicle Industry Council 
> (AMVIC).
> We license 6000 businesses that are selling and repairing vehicles in the
> province of Alberta.  We also register 9000 sales people.  We have 15
> investigators that mediate consumer complaints.  We are funded by the
> licensing fees th

Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[Mitch Haley]

Ed Booher wrote:
> The other party must know they are being recorded to make it admissable
> evidence.

Where? And under what circumstances?

Here's a fact, which seems surprisingly little known on this list:

12 states require, under most circumstances, the consent of all parties to
a conversation. Those jurisdictions are California, Connecticut, Florida,
Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire,
Pennsylvania and Washington.

That's a pretty complete list of the states where you may or may not need
to worry about it. All other states, including Texas, just start recording
your own calls and forget this entire discussion. I'm in Michigan and
I record everything without notice, because the law in Michigan was
not designed to make it impossible for a consumer to keep a record of
illegal acts by another party. If I were in Maryland or Commiefornia
I might be slightly worried, but even those states have exceptions to
the rules, and residents of those states need to actually read the law
and see when they can record and what use they can make of the recording.

As for Hans, he needs to worry about saying anything in a recorded call
that reflects poorly on Hans. That's his only recording worry in Texas. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[dave walton]

Varies State by State. Some are 1-party, some are 2-party. One means
that if either end knows they are being recorded, it's legit. Two
means both ends of the conversation must know.

-Dave Walton

On Jan 23, 2008 1:19 PM, Ed Booher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 23, 2008 8:30 AM, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I think there are rules regarding recording phone calls, but don't
> > know just what they are.
> >
> >
> The other party must know they are being recorded to make it admissable
> evidence. However, you can plug a tone generator into the line and let it
> beep every several seconds, this is considered the "sign" that a call is
> recorded and you can probably get several minutes into the call before he
> asks "What is that beeping" at which point you must inform him he is being
> recorded, which will probably cause him to hang up but at that point the
> damage is done.
>
> Ed
>
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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[Ed Booher]

On Jan 23, 2008 8:30 AM, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I think there are rules regarding recording phone calls, but don't
> know just what they are.
>
>
The other party must know they are being recorded to make it admissable
evidence. However, you can plug a tone generator into the line and let it
beep every several seconds, this is considered the "sign" that a call is
recorded and you can probably get several minutes into the call before he
asks "What is that beeping" at which point you must inform him he is being
recorded, which will probably cause him to hang up but at that point the
damage is done.

Ed

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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[Timothy Robinson]

Hey, you know this sounds kinda like the state licensing of contractors,
insurance salesmen, etc.

Not that I advocate more "government regulation," but it can be a good
thing. It not only protects the consumer but also the tradesman. Every month
I receive a state newsletter which lists pending actions and resolutions by
the state licensing board. These actions are usually a result of complaints
by someone who engaged another's service and the job wasn't performed
satisfactorily. The most often infraction is one engaging in business
without being licensed.

IMHO inspections are a good thing which protect you, the homeowner but also
me as the electrical contractor. Face it, if your house burns down and they
can't decide the cause of the fire it's often assumed to be electrical? As
last person on record that work on your house, I'd wanna be protected (and
my liability insurance) by knowing that the work I had done was signed off
on by the local inspection authority (in this state under the insurance
commission).

Course, what can be done if you have a "friend of a friend" who knows how to
hook that generator and though is unlicensed, he'll do it cheaper than I as
he doesn't have the expense of pulling a permit, liability insurance nor
workman's comp? Same with mechanics. We all know "miracle working" indies
who if were required to pass a state board every year (and associated fees
of being in business) would probably not be able to work. Such regulation
would probably put some good people out of business.

Used to a plaque at a business stating they were members of the Better
Business Bureau meant something. One can still call the local bureau and get
a report of any complaints or actions against a business. I personally go to
the local courthouse and look up and civil actions against new contractors
that I don't know.

Bottom line on car repair? I've been guilty of making hasty decisions under
duress when a vehicle broke down on me. Used to the automatic option was to
return a car to the dealer where it was purchased. Many people do that just
because of warranty. Doesn't apply to we folks who drive these 25+ year old
beautys. Mine really should qualify for "Medicar"  From: Bob Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:29:33 -0700
> To: "mercedes@okiebenz.com" 
> Subject: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice
> 
> I am Executive Director at the Alberta Motor Vehicle Industry Council (AMVIC).
> We license 6000 businesses that are selling and repairing vehicles in the
> province of Alberta.  We also register 9000 sales people.  We have 15
> investigators that mediate consumer complaints.  We are funded by the
> licensing fees that we levy.  Our function used to be done by the Provincial
> government - they weren't doing a great job at it so between them and
> industry, AMVIC got created in 1999.  Our mediation last year added up to
> about $4 million.  We refuse to grant licenses and cancel them as well.  We
> lay charges for operating without a license.
> 
> So, if you were in Alberta, you would complain to us, we would assign an
> investigator and he would find some common ground.  If the business has
> committed a fraud, he can lay a charge under the Criminal Code.
> 
> We have found that since we were formed, industry has learned that there is a
> fairly significant consequence if they "cross the line".  I am certainly not
> naïve enough to think that it is fixed but I think we are making an impact in
> making businesses more honest and making them think twice before they "pad" a
> repair.
> 
> Most states have a consumer affairs type office that performs a function
> similar to us - I don't know them well but that might be an avenue to explore.
> 
> And I am progressing quite nicely in the restoration of my 67 200D (pictures
> at bottom link below).   .   Bob
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[LarryT]

Thank you both for correcting it - -  each time I replied I forgot to 
correct it.  Was driving me bonkers -
;-)

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- Original Message - 
From: "R A Bennell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice


Hey Bob, I couldn't help but correct "lien" as well.

Randy

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bob Hamilton
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:30 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice


I am Executive Director at the Alberta Motor Vehicle Industry Council 
(AMVIC).  We license 6000 businesses that are
selling and repairing vehicles in the province of Alberta.  We also register 
9000 sales people.  We have 15
investigators that mediate consumer complaints.  We are funded by the 
licensing fees that we levy.  Our function
used to be done by the Provincial government - they weren't doing a great 
job at it so between them and industry,
AMVIC got created in 1999.  Our mediation last year added up to about $4 
million.  We refuse to grant licenses and
cancel them as well.  We lay charges for operating without a license.

So, if you were in Alberta, you would complain to us, we would assign an 
investigator and he would find some common
ground.  If the business has committed a fraud, he can lay a charge under 
the Criminal Code.

We have found that since we were formed, industry has learned that there is 
a fairly significant consequence if
they "cross the line".  I am certainly not naïve enough to think that it is 
fixed but I think we are making an
impact in making businesses more honest and making them think twice before 
they "pad" a repair.

Most states have a consumer affairs type office that performs a function 
similar to us - I don't know them well but
that might be an avenue to explore.

And I am progressing quite nicely in the restoration of my 67 200D (pictures 
at bottom link below).   .   Bob

Bob Hamilton  O|||O
*  (780) 462-0860
7  (780) 462-0633  FAX
* [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*  www.amvic.orghttp://www.amvic.org>
*  http://picasaweb.google.com/hamibob
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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[R A Bennell]

Hey Bob, I couldn't help but correct "lien" as well.

Randy

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Subject: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice


I am Executive Director at the Alberta Motor Vehicle Industry Council (AMVIC).  
We license 6000 businesses that are
selling and repairing vehicles in the province of Alberta.  We also register 
9000 sales people.  We have 15
investigators that mediate consumer complaints.  We are funded by the licensing 
fees that we levy.  Our function
used to be done by the Provincial government - they weren't doing a great job 
at it so between them and industry,
AMVIC got created in 1999.  Our mediation last year added up to about $4 
million.  We refuse to grant licenses and
cancel them as well.  We lay charges for operating without a license.

So, if you were in Alberta, you would complain to us, we would assign an 
investigator and he would find some common
ground.  If the business has committed a fraud, he can lay a charge under the 
Criminal Code.

We have found that since we were formed, industry has learned that there is a 
fairly significant consequence if
they "cross the line".  I am certainly not naïve enough to think that it is 
fixed but I think we are making an
impact in making businesses more honest and making them think twice before they 
"pad" a repair.

Most states have a consumer affairs type office that performs a function 
similar to us - I don't know them well but
that might be an avenue to explore.

And I am progressing quite nicely in the restoration of my 67 200D (pictures at 
bottom link below).   .   Bob

Bob Hamilton  O|||O
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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[Jeff Zedic]

On 23/01/2008, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think there are rules regarding recording phone calls, but don't
> know just what they are.
>
> I believe that you have to inform the person that you are recording the
call.
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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[Mitch Haley]

Loren Faeth wrote:
> 
> Now there is the beginning of a plan.   Call the jerk, incite him to
> launch a diatribe 

You want to be very careful about what you say and how you say it.
Goading him into blowing his top does not make you look like a victim.
Stick to the facts, and don't say anything you will regret hearing
repeated in court. 
Mitch


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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[OK Don]

I think there are rules regarding recording phone calls, but don't
know just what they are.

On Jan 22, 2008 10:55 PM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Now there is the beginning of a plan.   Call the jerk, incite him to
> launch a diatribe and threats while the recorder is running, present
> your case to a grand jury, and invite the local TV stations in on the
> fun because it is Hans vs Goliath!   But you should have a legal
> beagle watching over your shoulder and advising, so You don't make a mis-step
>

-- 
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics."
-Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain
'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[Loren Faeth]

Now there is the beginning of a plan.   Call the jerk, incite him to 
launch a diatribe and threats while the recorder is running, present 
your case to a grand jury, and invite the local TV stations in on the 
fun because it is Hans vs Goliath!   But you should have a legal 
beagle watching over your shoulder and advising, so You don't make a mis-step


At 10:47 PM 1/22/2008, you wrote:
>Just learned today that a district attorney or A CITIZEN can bring a
>case before the grand jury to seek indictments for crimes, here in
>Texas.  How cool is that?  Don't know the details but that sure sounds
>like fun.
>
>--R
>
>Gary Hurst wrote:
> > we all know, hans, that you are being robbed.  you have been the 
> victim of a
> > con and will probably need legal help to thwart their attempts to
> > successfully extort from you.
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Mechanics lien - need advice

[Rich Thomas]

Just learned today that a district attorney or A CITIZEN can bring a 
case before the grand jury to seek indictments for crimes, here in 
Texas.  How cool is that?  Don't know the details but that sure sounds 
like fun.

--R

Gary Hurst wrote:
> we all know, hans, that you are being robbed.  you have been the victim of a
> con and will probably need legal help to thwart their attempts to
> successfully extort from you.
>
>   
>   

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