Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots now Jagyoowahs
I wanted his XK140 so bad it wasn't funny. The car was very solid, all original, and could have gone a while with just a good freshening. Unfortunately, I was newly married, a starving student, and an apartment dweller. And had no money. My Dad had a friend back in the day who did a lot of SCCA racing. He took my Dad for a ride in an XK140 that ended up with them outrunning the police Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jan 11, 2012, at 11:18 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I like those XJs too. My neighbor had a 56 XK140MC, all original black with red interior, missing only the driver's inner door panel (which he had taken out to fix something, leaned it against a garbage can in the garage, and the garbage men took it along with the trash in the barrel). He parked it in his garage in 1963 and about 1993 or so pumped up the tires and had it brought to the house next door where he was living with the woman (our neighbor). He was too old to deal with it, offered it to me for $10k which at the time was a good deal, he really wanted me to have it but needed some cash too.Alas other things got in the way but I lusted after that car, he sold it for $12k. He had fitted luggage he had made for it too, it all fit in the boot very nicely. A bit of cleaning up and some rubber bits and it would have been ready to go. We washed it one day and the paint actually looked quite good for having sat for 30yr, a bit of wax would have done wonders for it but I didn't want to fool with it more. He said it would do over 100mph quite easily, probably 120 or so and maybe a bit more. I loved that rounded styling of the coupe. --R On 1/11/12 10:04 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: The guy I worked for at the time was a Jag nut, and had 7-8 Jags at any given time. A typical count would be: 195x XK140 (all original, needed restoration) 2 - late 50s/early 60s Mark IVs 1967 XKE 4.2 litre 2 - mid 70s XJ6s 1978 XJ12 The nice thing about this was that I got to drive any of them I wanted home in the evenings or on the weekends, if they were at the shop. I was in my late teens at the time - can you imagine being 18-19 years old and driving an XKE or an XJ12? The XKE was a bit of a beater, so I usually drove the XJ12 when I could. Only bad thing about that car was the lousy fuel mileage. I seem to recall it having some really archaic transmission in it, like a Ford FMX, that shifted out of first gear at about 7 mph. The XJ12 was a real beauty, and I probably spent most of my time keeping it up. Since it was normally aspirated, keeping the carbs balanced and the engine tuned was a full time job. It was shoehorned in the engine compartment so tightly you could barely stick your hand in between the engine and side of the compartment. I remember putting a water pump on it once - I recall that we had to disassemble the front clip to get to it. The one thing that was really amazing about that car was the ability to go down the road at 80 or 100 mph, and you would swear you were doing 30 mph, it rode so nicely. Dan On Jan 11, 2012, at 9:05 PM, M G wrote: I don't think you would like a V-12, that is unless you can strip off all the anti pollution junk on it. It is a nightmare to work on. As far as 8 hours for a valve adjustment, could be book time but I remember doing a complete valve job on my 63 3.8l e-type. Started right after work at 5 and got done about 2 AM. Drove it home slept and was back at work at 7 the next morning. Course trip time was only about 10 min. Was only about 23 at the time so had a lot more energy and didn't run down as fast as now. AH! Those were the days. Manfred Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:48:11 -0500 From: Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots I liked those 70s Ford Granadas, just like a Mercedes! I would take a nice E-Type, maybe a V12 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots
I still maintain that the 90's SL (won't even bother to get chassis code) is the most ugly thing ever to come out of Sindelfingen (did they even dare to make that there? probably made in a back street factory in Taiwan). Hendrik who would rather push a 107 than be seen in the next gen SL Fmiser wrote: What's funny is that's what been said about every generation of cars. I suspect it has more to do with the person making the observation than it does about the cars being observed. -- Philip, who thinks new cars don't have enough soul. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ummmnh sorry no that Ford thing is still ugly and will be fugly forever, curves are nice but you go over the top and... Hendrik who points and laughs whenever he sees a Torturous Scott Ritchey wrote: I think beauty derives from function. Specifically, great cars eventually become the standard for beauty and vice versa. Ford Taurus was a funny looking car at first but after people liked and accepted it the jelly bean style became the new standard. Mazda and others copied the 123/126 styling and the Edsel became ugly only after it failed in the market. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I question that statement, as I can go back and look at cars in the 70s or 80s and see some pretty significant differences between the brands design-wise. Sure, there were some similarities, but I challenge someone who is not car savvy to pick out, say, a Jaguar X class from a Hyundai in a group of cars built today. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jan 11, 2012, at 1:07 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: For the most part they all look like jellybeans. No soul, no panache. Nothing that makes them distinctive, like the older models did. Dan living in the past Man What's funny is that's what been said about every generation of cars. I suspect it has more to do with the person making the observation than it does about the cars being observed. -- Philip, who thinks new cars don't have enough soul. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots
What's funny is that's what been said about every generation of cars. I suspect it has more to do with the person making the observation than it does about the cars being observed. I think things go in cycles, but not everyone perceives cycles in the same way! I think they're all ugly too, the last thing that came out that really floated my boat was the Dodge Ram in 1994. (I don't like the 2002 [?] restyling.) It was 'new' to my then-curmudgeounly self, so I have hopes that someday something else new will call to me. The Ford T-bird comes close, but I hate the windshield frame. MB has lost it, for me, completely. That's the big reason that our newest one is 1990, an SEL. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I liked those 70s Ford Granadas, just like a Mercedes! I would take a nice E-Type, maybe a V12 --R On 1/11/12 7:16 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: I question that statement, as I can go back and look at cars in the 70s or 80s and see some pretty significant differences between the brands design-wise. Sure, there were some similarities, but I challenge someone who is not car savvy to pick out, say, a Jaguar X class from a Hyundai in a group of cars built today. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jan 11, 2012, at 1:07 AM, Fmiserfmi...@gmail.com wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: For the most part they all look like jellybeans. No soul, no panache. Nothing that makes them distinctive, like the older models did. Dan living in the past Man What's funny is that's what been said about every generation of cars. I suspect it has more to do with the person making the observation than it does about the cars being observed. -- Philip, who thinks new cars don't have enough soul. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots
My brother had a two door Granada. What a POS that car was! Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jan 11, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I liked those 70s Ford Granadas, just like a Mercedes! I would take a nice E-Type, maybe a V12 --R On 1/11/12 7:16 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: I question that statement, as I can go back and look at cars in the 70s or 80s and see some pretty significant differences between the brands design-wise. Sure, there were some similarities, but I challenge someone who is not car savvy to pick out, say, a Jaguar X class from a Hyundai in a group of cars built today. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jan 11, 2012, at 1:07 AM, Fmiserfmi...@gmail.com wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: For the most part they all look like jellybeans. No soul, no panache. Nothing that makes them distinctive, like the older models did. Dan living in the past Man What's funny is that's what been said about every generation of cars. I suspect it has more to do with the person making the observation than it does about the cars being observed. -- Philip, who thinks new cars don't have enough soul. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think the v12 XKE was a caricature. I want a '66 or '67 - synchro first gear, triple SU's, original bumpers. I'd like it even better if someone else was doing the maintenance (8hrs flat rate to adjust the valves). Someone in MB (Uhlenhaut?) was quoted saying something like elegance is last years fashion done right. On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I would take a nice E-Type, maybe a V12 --R -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300 1992300D 2.5T 1990 300 1990300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I used to maintain a 67 XKE for a former employer. I believe it had the 4.2l 6 cylinder in it. Best thing one could do for that engine was polish and port it - the fit and finish between the manifolds and head were horrendous. 8 hours for a valve adjustment is a little extreme - I don't recall it taking that long, although it was not a pleasant job. I would have rather had to balance the 6 SUs on his 78 XJ12. That was unpleasant but nowhere near as time consuming Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jan 11, 2012, at 1:13 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I think the v12 XKE was a caricature. I want a '66 or '67 - synchro first gear, triple SU's, original bumpers. I'd like it even better if someone else was doing the maintenance (8hrs flat rate to adjust the valves). Someone in MB (Uhlenhaut?) was quoted saying something like elegance is last years fashion done right. On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I would take a nice E-Type, maybe a V12 --R -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300 1992300D 2.5T 1990 300 1990300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots
Dan Penoff wrote: I question that statement, as I can go back and look at cars in the 70s or 80s and see some pretty significant differences between the brands design-wise. Sure _you_ can. But is that an intrinsic difference? Sure, there were some similarities, but I challenge someone who is not car savvy to pick out, say, a Jaguar X class from a Hyundai in a group of cars built today. As an example, in the 80s, my mother said, The cars today all look the same. But she could spot the make and model of 40s and 50s cars from across the interstate median. I was talking to a youngster (relatively...) who said the cars today all look the same, but those from the 90s and early 2000s have some class distinctions. It is from such data that I drew my conclusion. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots
I don't think you would like a V-12, that is unless you can strip off all the anti pollution junk on it. It is a nightmare to work on. As far as 8 hours for a valve adjustment, could be book time but I remember doing a complete valve job on my 63 3.8l e-type. Started right after work at 5 and got done about 2 AM. Drove it home slept and was back at work at 7 the next morning. Course trip time was only about 10 min. Was only about 23 at the time so had a lot more energy and didn't run down as fast as now. AH! Those were the days. Manfred Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:48:11 -0500 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots I liked those 70s Ford Granadas, just like a Mercedes! I would take a nice E-Type, maybe a V12 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The guy I worked for at the time was a Jag nut, and had 7-8 Jags at any given time. A typical count would be: 195x XK140 (all original, needed restoration) 2 - late 50s/early 60s Mark IVs 1967 XKE 4.2 litre 2 - mid 70s XJ6s 1978 XJ12 The nice thing about this was that I got to drive any of them I wanted home in the evenings or on the weekends, if they were at the shop. I was in my late teens at the time - can you imagine being 18-19 years old and driving an XKE or an XJ12? The XKE was a bit of a beater, so I usually drove the XJ12 when I could. Only bad thing about that car was the lousy fuel mileage. I seem to recall it having some really archaic transmission in it, like a Ford FMX, that shifted out of first gear at about 7 mph. The XJ12 was a real beauty, and I probably spent most of my time keeping it up. Since it was normally aspirated, keeping the carbs balanced and the engine tuned was a full time job. It was shoehorned in the engine compartment so tightly you could barely stick your hand in between the engine and side of the compartment. I remember putting a water pump on it once - I recall that we had to disassemble the front clip to get to it. The one thing that was really amazing about that car was the ability to go down the road at 80 or 100 mph, and you would swear you were doing 30 mph, it rode so nicely. Dan On Jan 11, 2012, at 9:05 PM, M G wrote: I don't think you would like a V-12, that is unless you can strip off all the anti pollution junk on it. It is a nightmare to work on. As far as 8 hours for a valve adjustment, could be book time but I remember doing a complete valve job on my 63 3.8l e-type. Started right after work at 5 and got done about 2 AM. Drove it home slept and was back at work at 7 the next morning. Course trip time was only about 10 min. Was only about 23 at the time so had a lot more energy and didn't run down as fast as now. AH! Those were the days. Manfred Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:48:11 -0500 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots I liked those 70s Ford Granadas, just like a Mercedes! I would take a nice E-Type, maybe a V12 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots now Jagyoowahs
I like those XJs too. My neighbor had a 56 XK140MC, all original black with red interior, missing only the driver's inner door panel (which he had taken out to fix something, leaned it against a garbage can in the garage, and the garbage men took it along with the trash in the barrel). He parked it in his garage in 1963 and about 1993 or so pumped up the tires and had it brought to the house next door where he was living with the woman (our neighbor). He was too old to deal with it, offered it to me for $10k which at the time was a good deal, he really wanted me to have it but needed some cash too.Alas other things got in the way but I lusted after that car, he sold it for $12k. He had fitted luggage he had made for it too, it all fit in the boot very nicely. A bit of cleaning up and some rubber bits and it would have been ready to go. We washed it one day and the paint actually looked quite good for having sat for 30yr, a bit of wax would have done wonders for it but I didn't want to fool with it more. He said it would do over 100mph quite easily, probably 120 or so and maybe a bit more. I loved that rounded styling of the coupe. --R On 1/11/12 10:04 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: The guy I worked for at the time was a Jag nut, and had 7-8 Jags at any given time. A typical count would be: 195x XK140 (all original, needed restoration) 2 - late 50s/early 60s Mark IVs 1967 XKE 4.2 litre 2 - mid 70s XJ6s 1978 XJ12 The nice thing about this was that I got to drive any of them I wanted home in the evenings or on the weekends, if they were at the shop. I was in my late teens at the time - can you imagine being 18-19 years old and driving an XKE or an XJ12? The XKE was a bit of a beater, so I usually drove the XJ12 when I could. Only bad thing about that car was the lousy fuel mileage. I seem to recall it having some really archaic transmission in it, like a Ford FMX, that shifted out of first gear at about 7 mph. The XJ12 was a real beauty, and I probably spent most of my time keeping it up. Since it was normally aspirated, keeping the carbs balanced and the engine tuned was a full time job. It was shoehorned in the engine compartment so tightly you could barely stick your hand in between the engine and side of the compartment. I remember putting a water pump on it once - I recall that we had to disassemble the front clip to get to it. The one thing that was really amazing about that car was the ability to go down the road at 80 or 100 mph, and you would swear you were doing 30 mph, it rode so nicely. Dan On Jan 11, 2012, at 9:05 PM, M G wrote: I don't think you would like a V-12, that is unless you can strip off all the anti pollution junk on it. It is a nightmare to work on. As far as 8 hours for a valve adjustment, could be book time but I remember doing a complete valve job on my 63 3.8l e-type. Started right after work at 5 and got done about 2 AM. Drove it home slept and was back at work at 7 the next morning. Course trip time was only about 10 min. Was only about 23 at the time so had a lot more energy and didn't run down as fast as now. AH! Those were the days. Manfred Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:48:11 -0500 From: Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots I liked those 70s Ford Granadas, just like a Mercedes! I would take a nice E-Type, maybe a V12 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots
On Jan 10, 2012 6:43 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2012/01/2013-mercedes-benz-sl As LJK Setright liked to point out, the SL was never leicht, but it did offer a bit of schport (at least up until the fat, slow early '80s 107s). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well, they were lighter than a 600 or a 116, or even a 126. Leicht was somewhat subjective. On Jan 10, 2012 6:43 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2012/01/2013-mercedes-benz-sl As LJK Setright liked to point out, the SL was never leicht, but it did offer a bit of schport (at least up until the fat, slow early '80s 107s). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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'bout time they developed a pleasing design as the SL had become rather ugly in recent years . . . just an opinion. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'd say all MBs have become ugly in the past few years, from the hawk nose SLK through the S and the E and Cs. The profile of this new SL is nice, but the front, and the headlights in particular, are ugly. the 107 was hardly a sports car, but at least they were not ugly. 'bout time they developed a pleasing design as the SL had become rather ugly in recent years . . . just an opinion. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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For the most part they all look like jellybeans. No soul, no panache. Nothing that makes them distinctive, like the older models did. Dan living in the past Man Sent from my iPhone On Jan 10, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I'd say all MBs have become ugly in the past few years, from the hawk nose SLK through the S and the E and Cs. The profile of this new SL is nice, but the front, and the headlights in particular, are ugly. the 107 was hardly a sports car, but at least they were not ugly. 'bout time they developed a pleasing design as the SL had become rather ugly in recent years . . . just an opinion. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Actually I have always been a fan of Jaguar styling, although the engineering puts me off. Speaking of jellybeans, the E-type strikes me as being the grand jelly bean. Hendrik who has never owned a Jag Dan Penoff wrote: For the most part they all look like jellybeans. No soul, no panache. Nothing that makes them distinctive, like the older models did. Dan living in the past Man Sent from my iPhone On Jan 10, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I'd say all MBs have become ugly in the past few years, from the hawk nose SLK through the S and the E and Cs. The profile of this new SL is nice, but the front, and the headlights in particular, are ugly. the 107 was hardly a sports car, but at least they were not ugly. 'bout time they developed a pleasing design as the SL had become rather ugly in recent years . . . just an opinion. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots
As LJK Setright liked to point out, the SL was never leicht, but it did offer a bit of schport (at least up until the fat, slow early '80s 107s). The 350SL, as designed, might have been a bit sporty. Surely what the USA got was crippled, though. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots
Dan Penoff wrote: For the most part they all look like jellybeans. No soul, no panache. Nothing that makes them distinctive, like the older models did. Dan living in the past Man What's funny is that's what been said about every generation of cars. I suspect it has more to do with the person making the observation than it does about the cars being observed. -- Philip, who thinks new cars don't have enough soul. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots
I think beauty derives from function. Specifically, great cars eventually become the standard for beauty and vice versa. Ford Taurus was a funny looking car at first but after people liked and accepted it the jelly bean style became the new standard. Mazda and others copied the 123/126 styling and the Edsel became ugly only after it failed in the market. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz SL Returns to Its Lightweight Roots Dan Penoff wrote: For the most part they all look like jellybeans. No soul, no panache. Nothing that makes them distinctive, like the older models did. Dan living in the past Man ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
