Re: [MBZ] OT IH Cub Cadet tractor tiller attachment
Maybe this is an easier way to go https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/grd/d/greensburg-simplicity-allis-with-tiller/7452423023.html On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 7:37 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > No I do not have the 3pt hitch either. Sounding like more trouble than > it's worth. > > > On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 7:24 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: >> Ahh, okay, wide frame but as I said in another note it doesn't seem >> like it matters. >> >> Do you already have a 3pt hitch? You need one to mount the tiller on. >> Those can be spendy. >> >> The sites I found also recommended spring assist or a hydraulic lift >> (which was a factory option, or you could make your own) because of the >> weight of the tiller. I've pulled a plow (plough for Fred), a disc >> harrow, cultivator and back blade (not all at the same time) and they >> do require significant arm strength to lift, way more than a mower deck >> would. >> >> I guess I'm kind of on the look out for a creeper gear and tiller now, >> that thing is pretty cool. >> >> -Curt >> >> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 07:05:11 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> >> It is an International Cub Cadet 128. >> >> https://www.tractordata.com/lawn-tractors/000/2/4/245-cub-cadet-128.html >> >> Mine has the 3-speed (and reverse) transmission, not the creeper. >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 5:41 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >>> Sounds like my former 1962 Wheel Horse. Built like a brick doghouse, >>> however, not that great with anything other than a mower deck. I had a >>> snowblower for it, but it was only single stage, so it wasn’t terribly >>> effective. Pretty underpowered for the wet Midwestern snow. >>> >>> I think there was a tiller attachment for it, too, but like the >>> snowblower I can see it being very good. >>> >>> -D >>> On Mar 1, 2022, at 2:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: I will check when I get home. It's an older tractor, certainly older than 1990s, weighs a ton, built like a tank. It's set up and I've only used it as a mower (belly mower deck). It has turf tires which also would not be great in a garden I guess. But I'll check the model and get back to you. Allan > On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > If it's belt drive it's not a narrow frame Cub Cadet, well unless it's > an Original, those used a weird system where a belt went from the > engine down to the driveshaft which went to the transmission. They're > super weird because the belt runs vertically, not like modern garden > tractors where the belt runs vertically from the engine to the > transmission. Most people consider the Original to be special and not > really a narrow frame tractor. > > That tiller attaches to the tractor's 3pt hitch which is a proprietary > thing, there is a C shaped bracket at the bottom of the transaxle, > about inline with the axles and a lifting rod that pivots on the same > bit the seat mounts to. They're uncommon and expensive. > > Power for the tiller actually comes off the front of the tractor, a > rear PTO is a very rare option. The belt goes down the front of the > engine (these are all horizontal shaft engines) to a pair of wheels > that turn it under the tractor (so horizontally) to the tiller at the > rear. I've never actually seen one in person but it must be a very long > belt. > > I *think* you might be able to use a narrow frame tiller on a wide > frame tractor but you won't be able to use it on a "modern" (say post > 1990) lawn tractor. Certainly not one with a vertical shaft engine, at > least not without major adaptation. > > -Curt > > > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 03:54:20 PM EST, Allan Streib > wrote: > > > > > > Yeah I need to check, I can't recall the model and not at home now. But > I do know that everything is belt drive. 1st gear is pretty slow, but > it does not have a Hi/low-range splitter. > > >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 3:45 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: >> What tractor do you have? >> This would work best on a hydrostatic machine or a gear machine with a >> creeper gear. >> >> I've got a couple narrow frame Cubs, they're great. >> >> -Curt >> >> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 02:28:55 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> >> Thoughts? Fair price? >> >> This includes the gearbox and I think it would work on my tractor (need >> to double check). >> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/384696830760 >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>
Re: [MBZ] OT IH Cub Cadet tractor tiller attachment
Yup. Yours will look slightly different too, IIRC the wide frame 3pt was a little more squared off than the narrow. One of my narrow frame machines has 3pt. You can't actually see the hitch but you can see the plow on it here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/w3ZfTEuVjZ8NMWpU6 That was when I was making up a little garden for the deer last spring. I planted bush beans and sweet peas. They ate all the plants by July, greedy little buggers. I replanted with rye grass. It's fun to plant and see what the deer like. I think the biggest winner yet has been turnips. I thought they would only eat the tops but they pulled the roots out and ate those too. https://photos.app.goo.gl/SBruSmB62QtdvbnX9 Here's Angie running the other Cub Cadet. This one is a 70 from 1965... -Curt On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 08:57:38 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: According to this http://ccmanuals.info/pdf/70-100%203PT%20Install.pdf From the illustration on page 3 I have the fixed drawbar but not the lower hitch link, lift lever, or lift link. On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 7:37 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > No I do not have the 3pt hitch either. Sounding like more trouble than > it's worth. > > > On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 7:24 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: >> Ahh, okay, wide frame but as I said in another note it doesn't seem >> like it matters. >> >> Do you already have a 3pt hitch? You need one to mount the tiller on. >> Those can be spendy. >> >> The sites I found also recommended spring assist or a hydraulic lift >> (which was a factory option, or you could make your own) because of the >> weight of the tiller. I've pulled a plow (plough for Fred), a disc >> harrow, cultivator and back blade (not all at the same time) and they >> do require significant arm strength to lift, way more than a mower deck >> would. >> >> I guess I'm kind of on the look out for a creeper gear and tiller now, >> that thing is pretty cool. >> >> -Curt >> >> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 07:05:11 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> >> It is an International Cub Cadet 128. >> >> https://www.tractordata.com/lawn-tractors/000/2/4/245-cub-cadet-128.html >> >> Mine has the 3-speed (and reverse) transmission, not the creeper. >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 5:41 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >>> Sounds like my former 1962 Wheel Horse. Built like a brick doghouse, >>> however, not that great with anything other than a mower deck. I had a >>> snowblower for it, but it was only single stage, so it wasn’t terribly >>> effective. Pretty underpowered for the wet Midwestern snow. >>> >>> I think there was a tiller attachment for it, too, but like the >>> snowblower I can see it being very good. >>> >>> -D >>> On Mar 1, 2022, at 2:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: I will check when I get home. It's an older tractor, certainly older than 1990s, weighs a ton, built like a tank. It's set up and I've only used it as a mower (belly mower deck). It has turf tires which also would not be great in a garden I guess. But I'll check the model and get back to you. Allan > On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > If it's belt drive it's not a narrow frame Cub Cadet, well unless it's > an Original, those used a weird system where a belt went from the > engine down to the driveshaft which went to the transmission. They're > super weird because the belt runs vertically, not like modern garden > tractors where the belt runs vertically from the engine to the > transmission. Most people consider the Original to be special and not > really a narrow frame tractor. > > That tiller attaches to the tractor's 3pt hitch which is a proprietary > thing, there is a C shaped bracket at the bottom of the transaxle, > about inline with the axles and a lifting rod that pivots on the same > bit the seat mounts to. They're uncommon and expensive. > > Power for the tiller actually comes off the front of the tractor, a > rear PTO is a very rare option. The belt goes down the front of the > engine (these are all horizontal shaft engines) to a pair of wheels > that turn it under the tractor (so horizontally) to the tiller at the > rear. I've never actually seen one in person but it must be a very long > belt. > > I *think* you might be able to use a narrow frame tiller on a wide > frame tractor but you won't be able to use it on a "modern" (say post > 1990) lawn tractor. Certainly not one with a vertical shaft engine, at > least not without major adaptation. > > -Curt > > > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 03:54:20 PM EST, Allan Streib > wrote: > > > > > > Yeah I need to check, I can't recall the model and not at home now. But > I do know that everything is belt drive.
Re: [MBZ] OT IH Cub Cadet tractor tiller attachment
Hmm, I think it might have been on my 1650 also. Somebody removed it from mine before I got it, of course that's got an aftermarket hydraulic pump to run the loader... -Curt On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 07:58:50 PM EST, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote: Hydraulic lift was standard on the 149 and 148. I should get out my 149 and put a new battery in it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT IH Cub Cadet tractor tiller attachment
According to this http://ccmanuals.info/pdf/70-100%203PT%20Install.pdf From the illustration on page 3 I have the fixed drawbar but not the lower hitch link, lift lever, or lift link. On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 7:37 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > No I do not have the 3pt hitch either. Sounding like more trouble than > it's worth. > > > On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 7:24 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: >> Ahh, okay, wide frame but as I said in another note it doesn't seem >> like it matters. >> >> Do you already have a 3pt hitch? You need one to mount the tiller on. >> Those can be spendy. >> >> The sites I found also recommended spring assist or a hydraulic lift >> (which was a factory option, or you could make your own) because of the >> weight of the tiller. I've pulled a plow (plough for Fred), a disc >> harrow, cultivator and back blade (not all at the same time) and they >> do require significant arm strength to lift, way more than a mower deck >> would. >> >> I guess I'm kind of on the look out for a creeper gear and tiller now, >> that thing is pretty cool. >> >> -Curt >> >> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 07:05:11 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> >> It is an International Cub Cadet 128. >> >> https://www.tractordata.com/lawn-tractors/000/2/4/245-cub-cadet-128.html >> >> Mine has the 3-speed (and reverse) transmission, not the creeper. >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 5:41 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >>> Sounds like my former 1962 Wheel Horse. Built like a brick doghouse, >>> however, not that great with anything other than a mower deck. I had a >>> snowblower for it, but it was only single stage, so it wasn’t terribly >>> effective. Pretty underpowered for the wet Midwestern snow. >>> >>> I think there was a tiller attachment for it, too, but like the >>> snowblower I can see it being very good. >>> >>> -D >>> On Mar 1, 2022, at 2:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: I will check when I get home. It's an older tractor, certainly older than 1990s, weighs a ton, built like a tank. It's set up and I've only used it as a mower (belly mower deck). It has turf tires which also would not be great in a garden I guess. But I'll check the model and get back to you. Allan > On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > If it's belt drive it's not a narrow frame Cub Cadet, well unless it's > an Original, those used a weird system where a belt went from the > engine down to the driveshaft which went to the transmission. They're > super weird because the belt runs vertically, not like modern garden > tractors where the belt runs vertically from the engine to the > transmission. Most people consider the Original to be special and not > really a narrow frame tractor. > > That tiller attaches to the tractor's 3pt hitch which is a proprietary > thing, there is a C shaped bracket at the bottom of the transaxle, > about inline with the axles and a lifting rod that pivots on the same > bit the seat mounts to. They're uncommon and expensive. > > Power for the tiller actually comes off the front of the tractor, a > rear PTO is a very rare option. The belt goes down the front of the > engine (these are all horizontal shaft engines) to a pair of wheels > that turn it under the tractor (so horizontally) to the tiller at the > rear. I've never actually seen one in person but it must be a very long > belt. > > I *think* you might be able to use a narrow frame tiller on a wide > frame tractor but you won't be able to use it on a "modern" (say post > 1990) lawn tractor. Certainly not one with a vertical shaft engine, at > least not without major adaptation. > > -Curt > > > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 03:54:20 PM EST, Allan Streib > wrote: > > > > > > Yeah I need to check, I can't recall the model and not at home now. But > I do know that everything is belt drive. 1st gear is pretty slow, but > it does not have a Hi/low-range splitter. > > >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 3:45 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: >> What tractor do you have? >> This would work best on a hydrostatic machine or a gear machine with a >> creeper gear. >> >> I've got a couple narrow frame Cubs, they're great. >> >> -Curt >> >> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 02:28:55 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> >> Thoughts? Fair price? >> >> This includes the gearbox and I think it would work on my tractor (need >> to double check). >> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/384696830760 >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or
Re: [MBZ] OT IH Cub Cadet tractor tiller attachment
Hydraulic lift was standard on the 149 and 148. I should get out my 149 and put a new battery in it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT IH Cub Cadet tractor tiller attachment
No I do not have the 3pt hitch either. Sounding like more trouble than it's worth. On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 7:24 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > Ahh, okay, wide frame but as I said in another note it doesn't seem > like it matters. > > Do you already have a 3pt hitch? You need one to mount the tiller on. > Those can be spendy. > > The sites I found also recommended spring assist or a hydraulic lift > (which was a factory option, or you could make your own) because of the > weight of the tiller. I've pulled a plow (plough for Fred), a disc > harrow, cultivator and back blade (not all at the same time) and they > do require significant arm strength to lift, way more than a mower deck > would. > > I guess I'm kind of on the look out for a creeper gear and tiller now, > that thing is pretty cool. > > -Curt > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 07:05:11 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > > It is an International Cub Cadet 128. > > https://www.tractordata.com/lawn-tractors/000/2/4/245-cub-cadet-128.html > > Mine has the 3-speed (and reverse) transmission, not the creeper. > > > > > On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 5:41 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >> Sounds like my former 1962 Wheel Horse. Built like a brick doghouse, >> however, not that great with anything other than a mower deck. I had a >> snowblower for it, but it was only single stage, so it wasn’t terribly >> effective. Pretty underpowered for the wet Midwestern snow. >> >> I think there was a tiller attachment for it, too, but like the >> snowblower I can see it being very good. >> >> -D >> >>> On Mar 1, 2022, at 2:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> I will check when I get home. It's an older tractor, certainly older than >>> 1990s, weighs a ton, built like a tank. >>> >>> It's set up and I've only used it as a mower (belly mower deck). It has >>> turf tires which also would not be great in a garden I guess. But I'll >>> check the model and get back to you. >>> >>> Allan >>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: If it's belt drive it's not a narrow frame Cub Cadet, well unless it's an Original, those used a weird system where a belt went from the engine down to the driveshaft which went to the transmission. They're super weird because the belt runs vertically, not like modern garden tractors where the belt runs vertically from the engine to the transmission. Most people consider the Original to be special and not really a narrow frame tractor. That tiller attaches to the tractor's 3pt hitch which is a proprietary thing, there is a C shaped bracket at the bottom of the transaxle, about inline with the axles and a lifting rod that pivots on the same bit the seat mounts to. They're uncommon and expensive. Power for the tiller actually comes off the front of the tractor, a rear PTO is a very rare option. The belt goes down the front of the engine (these are all horizontal shaft engines) to a pair of wheels that turn it under the tractor (so horizontally) to the tiller at the rear. I've never actually seen one in person but it must be a very long belt. I *think* you might be able to use a narrow frame tiller on a wide frame tractor but you won't be able to use it on a "modern" (say post 1990) lawn tractor. Certainly not one with a vertical shaft engine, at least not without major adaptation. -Curt On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 03:54:20 PM EST, Allan Streib wrote: Yeah I need to check, I can't recall the model and not at home now. But I do know that everything is belt drive. 1st gear is pretty slow, but it does not have a Hi/low-range splitter. > On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 3:45 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > What tractor do you have? > This would work best on a hydrostatic machine or a gear machine with a > creeper gear. > > I've got a couple narrow frame Cubs, they're great. > > -Curt > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 02:28:55 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Thoughts? Fair price? > > This includes the gearbox and I think it would work on my tractor (need > to double check). > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/384696830760 > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>
Re: [MBZ] OT IH Cub Cadet tractor tiller attachment
Ahh, okay, wide frame but as I said in another note it doesn't seem like it matters. Do you already have a 3pt hitch? You need one to mount the tiller on. Those can be spendy. The sites I found also recommended spring assist or a hydraulic lift (which was a factory option, or you could make your own) because of the weight of the tiller. I've pulled a plow (plough for Fred), a disc harrow, cultivator and back blade (not all at the same time) and they do require significant arm strength to lift, way more than a mower deck would. I guess I'm kind of on the look out for a creeper gear and tiller now, that thing is pretty cool. -Curt On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 07:05:11 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: It is an International Cub Cadet 128. https://www.tractordata.com/lawn-tractors/000/2/4/245-cub-cadet-128.html Mine has the 3-speed (and reverse) transmission, not the creeper. On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 5:41 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > Sounds like my former 1962 Wheel Horse. Built like a brick doghouse, > however, not that great with anything other than a mower deck. I had a > snowblower for it, but it was only single stage, so it wasn’t terribly > effective. Pretty underpowered for the wet Midwestern snow. > > I think there was a tiller attachment for it, too, but like the > snowblower I can see it being very good. > > -D > >> On Mar 1, 2022, at 2:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I will check when I get home. It's an older tractor, certainly older than >> 1990s, weighs a ton, built like a tank. >> >> It's set up and I've only used it as a mower (belly mower deck). It has turf >> tires which also would not be great in a garden I guess. But I'll check the >> model and get back to you. >> >> Allan >> >>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: >>> If it's belt drive it's not a narrow frame Cub Cadet, well unless it's >>> an Original, those used a weird system where a belt went from the >>> engine down to the driveshaft which went to the transmission. They're >>> super weird because the belt runs vertically, not like modern garden >>> tractors where the belt runs vertically from the engine to the >>> transmission. Most people consider the Original to be special and not >>> really a narrow frame tractor. >>> >>> That tiller attaches to the tractor's 3pt hitch which is a proprietary >>> thing, there is a C shaped bracket at the bottom of the transaxle, >>> about inline with the axles and a lifting rod that pivots on the same >>> bit the seat mounts to. They're uncommon and expensive. >>> >>> Power for the tiller actually comes off the front of the tractor, a >>> rear PTO is a very rare option. The belt goes down the front of the >>> engine (these are all horizontal shaft engines) to a pair of wheels >>> that turn it under the tractor (so horizontally) to the tiller at the >>> rear. I've never actually seen one in person but it must be a very long >>> belt. >>> >>> I *think* you might be able to use a narrow frame tiller on a wide >>> frame tractor but you won't be able to use it on a "modern" (say post >>> 1990) lawn tractor. Certainly not one with a vertical shaft engine, at >>> least not without major adaptation. >>> >>> -Curt >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 03:54:20 PM EST, Allan Streib >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yeah I need to check, I can't recall the model and not at home now. But >>> I do know that everything is belt drive. 1st gear is pretty slow, but >>> it does not have a Hi/low-range splitter. >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 3:45 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: What tractor do you have? This would work best on a hydrostatic machine or a gear machine with a creeper gear. I've got a couple narrow frame Cubs, they're great. -Curt On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 02:28:55 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Thoughts? Fair price? This includes the gearbox and I think it would work on my tractor (need to double check). https://www.ebay.com/itm/384696830760 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___
Re: [MBZ] OT IH Cub Cadet tractor tiller attachment
It is an International Cub Cadet 128. https://www.tractordata.com/lawn-tractors/000/2/4/245-cub-cadet-128.html Mine has the 3-speed (and reverse) transmission, not the creeper. On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 5:41 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > Sounds like my former 1962 Wheel Horse. Built like a brick doghouse, > however, not that great with anything other than a mower deck. I had a > snowblower for it, but it was only single stage, so it wasn’t terribly > effective. Pretty underpowered for the wet Midwestern snow. > > I think there was a tiller attachment for it, too, but like the > snowblower I can see it being very good. > > -D > >> On Mar 1, 2022, at 2:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I will check when I get home. It's an older tractor, certainly older than >> 1990s, weighs a ton, built like a tank. >> >> It's set up and I've only used it as a mower (belly mower deck). It has turf >> tires which also would not be great in a garden I guess. But I'll check the >> model and get back to you. >> >> Allan >> >>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: >>> If it's belt drive it's not a narrow frame Cub Cadet, well unless it's >>> an Original, those used a weird system where a belt went from the >>> engine down to the driveshaft which went to the transmission. They're >>> super weird because the belt runs vertically, not like modern garden >>> tractors where the belt runs vertically from the engine to the >>> transmission. Most people consider the Original to be special and not >>> really a narrow frame tractor. >>> >>> That tiller attaches to the tractor's 3pt hitch which is a proprietary >>> thing, there is a C shaped bracket at the bottom of the transaxle, >>> about inline with the axles and a lifting rod that pivots on the same >>> bit the seat mounts to. They're uncommon and expensive. >>> >>> Power for the tiller actually comes off the front of the tractor, a >>> rear PTO is a very rare option. The belt goes down the front of the >>> engine (these are all horizontal shaft engines) to a pair of wheels >>> that turn it under the tractor (so horizontally) to the tiller at the >>> rear. I've never actually seen one in person but it must be a very long >>> belt. >>> >>> I *think* you might be able to use a narrow frame tiller on a wide >>> frame tractor but you won't be able to use it on a "modern" (say post >>> 1990) lawn tractor. Certainly not one with a vertical shaft engine, at >>> least not without major adaptation. >>> >>> -Curt >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 03:54:20 PM EST, Allan Streib >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yeah I need to check, I can't recall the model and not at home now. But >>> I do know that everything is belt drive. 1st gear is pretty slow, but >>> it does not have a Hi/low-range splitter. >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 3:45 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: What tractor do you have? This would work best on a hydrostatic machine or a gear machine with a creeper gear. I've got a couple narrow frame Cubs, they're great. -Curt On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 02:28:55 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Thoughts? Fair price? This includes the gearbox and I think it would work on my tractor (need to double check). https://www.ebay.com/itm/384696830760 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT IH Cub Cadet tractor tiller attachment
Sounds like my former 1962 Wheel Horse. Built like a brick doghouse, however, not that great with anything other than a mower deck. I had a snowblower for it, but it was only single stage, so it wasn’t terribly effective. Pretty underpowered for the wet Midwestern snow. I think there was a tiller attachment for it, too, but like the snowblower I can see it being very good. -D > On Mar 1, 2022, at 2:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > I will check when I get home. It's an older tractor, certainly older than > 1990s, weighs a ton, built like a tank. > > It's set up and I've only used it as a mower (belly mower deck). It has turf > tires which also would not be great in a garden I guess. But I'll check the > model and get back to you. > > Allan > >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: >> If it's belt drive it's not a narrow frame Cub Cadet, well unless it's >> an Original, those used a weird system where a belt went from the >> engine down to the driveshaft which went to the transmission. They're >> super weird because the belt runs vertically, not like modern garden >> tractors where the belt runs vertically from the engine to the >> transmission. Most people consider the Original to be special and not >> really a narrow frame tractor. >> >> That tiller attaches to the tractor's 3pt hitch which is a proprietary >> thing, there is a C shaped bracket at the bottom of the transaxle, >> about inline with the axles and a lifting rod that pivots on the same >> bit the seat mounts to. They're uncommon and expensive. >> >> Power for the tiller actually comes off the front of the tractor, a >> rear PTO is a very rare option. The belt goes down the front of the >> engine (these are all horizontal shaft engines) to a pair of wheels >> that turn it under the tractor (so horizontally) to the tiller at the >> rear. I've never actually seen one in person but it must be a very long >> belt. >> >> I *think* you might be able to use a narrow frame tiller on a wide >> frame tractor but you won't be able to use it on a "modern" (say post >> 1990) lawn tractor. Certainly not one with a vertical shaft engine, at >> least not without major adaptation. >> >> -Curt >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 03:54:20 PM EST, Allan Streib >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Yeah I need to check, I can't recall the model and not at home now. But >> I do know that everything is belt drive. 1st gear is pretty slow, but >> it does not have a Hi/low-range splitter. >> >> >>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 3:45 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: >>> What tractor do you have? >>> This would work best on a hydrostatic machine or a gear machine with a >>> creeper gear. >>> >>> I've got a couple narrow frame Cubs, they're great. >>> >>> -Curt >>> >>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 02:28:55 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Thoughts? Fair price? >>> >>> This includes the gearbox and I think it would work on my tractor (need >>> to double check). >>> >>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/384696830760 >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT IH Cub Cadet tractor tiller attachment
I did a little more digging because, again I've never actually seen one of the tillers in the flesh. It turns out that the narrow and wide frame tillers are essentially the same so as long as you don't have a "spread frame" (86 series so model number x86) you're probably fine. I noticed that the auction included a 90 degree gearbox, oh boy, I hadn't realized how fun the belts on that thing are. So the long belt I talked about before goes from the engine, down under the machine to the 90 degree gearbox that sits behind the transaxle. That thing then lets the belt turn 90 degrees sideways to run another belt to the tiller. I did find a couple references that said you absolutely want a creeper gear or a hydro machine. I'd already guessed that 1st gear would be too fast and I think I'm right. Fortunately the clutch is relatively easy to replace ;) -Curt On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 04:12:24 PM EST, Allan Streib wrote: I will check when I get home. It's an older tractor, certainly older than 1990s, weighs a ton, built like a tank. It's set up and I've only used it as a mower (belly mower deck). It has turf tires which also would not be great in a garden I guess. But I'll check the model and get back to you. Allan On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > If it's belt drive it's not a narrow frame Cub Cadet, well unless it's > an Original, those used a weird system where a belt went from the > engine down to the driveshaft which went to the transmission. They're > super weird because the belt runs vertically, not like modern garden > tractors where the belt runs vertically from the engine to the > transmission. Most people consider the Original to be special and not > really a narrow frame tractor. > > That tiller attaches to the tractor's 3pt hitch which is a proprietary > thing, there is a C shaped bracket at the bottom of the transaxle, > about inline with the axles and a lifting rod that pivots on the same > bit the seat mounts to. They're uncommon and expensive. > > Power for the tiller actually comes off the front of the tractor, a > rear PTO is a very rare option. The belt goes down the front of the > engine (these are all horizontal shaft engines) to a pair of wheels > that turn it under the tractor (so horizontally) to the tiller at the > rear. I've never actually seen one in person but it must be a very long > belt. > > I *think* you might be able to use a narrow frame tiller on a wide > frame tractor but you won't be able to use it on a "modern" (say post > 1990) lawn tractor. Certainly not one with a vertical shaft engine, at > least not without major adaptation. > > -Curt > > > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 03:54:20 PM EST, Allan Streib > wrote: > > > > > > Yeah I need to check, I can't recall the model and not at home now. But > I do know that everything is belt drive. 1st gear is pretty slow, but > it does not have a Hi/low-range splitter. > > > On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 3:45 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: >> What tractor do you have? >> This would work best on a hydrostatic machine or a gear machine with a >> creeper gear. >> >> I've got a couple narrow frame Cubs, they're great. >> >> -Curt >> >> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 02:28:55 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> >> Thoughts? Fair price? >> >> This includes the gearbox and I think it would work on my tractor (need >> to double check). >> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/384696830760 >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT IH Cub Cadet tractor tiller attachment
I will check when I get home. It's an older tractor, certainly older than 1990s, weighs a ton, built like a tank. It's set up and I've only used it as a mower (belly mower deck). It has turf tires which also would not be great in a garden I guess. But I'll check the model and get back to you. Allan On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > If it's belt drive it's not a narrow frame Cub Cadet, well unless it's > an Original, those used a weird system where a belt went from the > engine down to the driveshaft which went to the transmission. They're > super weird because the belt runs vertically, not like modern garden > tractors where the belt runs vertically from the engine to the > transmission. Most people consider the Original to be special and not > really a narrow frame tractor. > > That tiller attaches to the tractor's 3pt hitch which is a proprietary > thing, there is a C shaped bracket at the bottom of the transaxle, > about inline with the axles and a lifting rod that pivots on the same > bit the seat mounts to. They're uncommon and expensive. > > Power for the tiller actually comes off the front of the tractor, a > rear PTO is a very rare option. The belt goes down the front of the > engine (these are all horizontal shaft engines) to a pair of wheels > that turn it under the tractor (so horizontally) to the tiller at the > rear. I've never actually seen one in person but it must be a very long > belt. > > I *think* you might be able to use a narrow frame tiller on a wide > frame tractor but you won't be able to use it on a "modern" (say post > 1990) lawn tractor. Certainly not one with a vertical shaft engine, at > least not without major adaptation. > > -Curt > > > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 03:54:20 PM EST, Allan Streib > wrote: > > > > > > Yeah I need to check, I can't recall the model and not at home now. But > I do know that everything is belt drive. 1st gear is pretty slow, but > it does not have a Hi/low-range splitter. > > > On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 3:45 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: >> What tractor do you have? >> This would work best on a hydrostatic machine or a gear machine with a >> creeper gear. >> >> I've got a couple narrow frame Cubs, they're great. >> >> -Curt >> >> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 02:28:55 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> >> Thoughts? Fair price? >> >> This includes the gearbox and I think it would work on my tractor (need >> to double check). >> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/384696830760 >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT IH Cub Cadet tractor tiller attachment
If it's belt drive it's not a narrow frame Cub Cadet, well unless it's an Original, those used a weird system where a belt went from the engine down to the driveshaft which went to the transmission. They're super weird because the belt runs vertically, not like modern garden tractors where the belt runs vertically from the engine to the transmission. Most people consider the Original to be special and not really a narrow frame tractor. That tiller attaches to the tractor's 3pt hitch which is a proprietary thing, there is a C shaped bracket at the bottom of the transaxle, about inline with the axles and a lifting rod that pivots on the same bit the seat mounts to. They're uncommon and expensive. Power for the tiller actually comes off the front of the tractor, a rear PTO is a very rare option. The belt goes down the front of the engine (these are all horizontal shaft engines) to a pair of wheels that turn it under the tractor (so horizontally) to the tiller at the rear. I've never actually seen one in person but it must be a very long belt. I *think* you might be able to use a narrow frame tiller on a wide frame tractor but you won't be able to use it on a "modern" (say post 1990) lawn tractor. Certainly not one with a vertical shaft engine, at least not without major adaptation. -Curt On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 03:54:20 PM EST, Allan Streib wrote: Yeah I need to check, I can't recall the model and not at home now. But I do know that everything is belt drive. 1st gear is pretty slow, but it does not have a Hi/low-range splitter. On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 3:45 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > What tractor do you have? > This would work best on a hydrostatic machine or a gear machine with a > creeper gear. > > I've got a couple narrow frame Cubs, they're great. > > -Curt > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 02:28:55 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Thoughts? Fair price? > > This includes the gearbox and I think it would work on my tractor (need > to double check). > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/384696830760 > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT IH Cub Cadet tractor tiller attachment
Yeah I need to check, I can't recall the model and not at home now. But I do know that everything is belt drive. 1st gear is pretty slow, but it does not have a Hi/low-range splitter. On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 3:45 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > What tractor do you have? > This would work best on a hydrostatic machine or a gear machine with a > creeper gear. > > I've got a couple narrow frame Cubs, they're great. > > -Curt > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 02:28:55 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Thoughts? Fair price? > > This includes the gearbox and I think it would work on my tractor (need > to double check). > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/384696830760 > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT IH Cub Cadet tractor tiller attachment
What tractor do you have? This would work best on a hydrostatic machine or a gear machine with a creeper gear. I've got a couple narrow frame Cubs, they're great. -Curt On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 02:28:55 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Thoughts? Fair price? This includes the gearbox and I think it would work on my tractor (need to double check). https://www.ebay.com/itm/384696830760 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT IH Cub Cadet tractor tiller attachment
Yeah that’s a good price, just make sure the gearbox works. I bought one new (4’) for my 22hp kubota, was $1400 or so delivered. Last summer I saw on FB essentially a brand new “finish mower” ( aka bush hog) for sale for $350. I sent the guy a note and said I’d be over to get it any time. He was out of town but said his wife was around so I went and got it. She said they had used it 3 or 4 times then took the tractor to their other horse farm (yeah…) so had no need of it. It was a $900 unit new and looked new. --FT Sent from iFōn > On Mar 1, 2022, at 2:28 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Thoughts? Fair price? > > This includes the gearbox and I think it would work on my tractor (need to > double check). > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/384696830760 > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
