Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers
It seems than at Tue, 29 May 2007 17:57:29 -0500, R wrote: Please bear in mind that folks who drive larger vehicles have some difficulty in safely passing you in traffic. I have had a Suburban and now a couple of F150's. I don't want to clip some poor cyclist with my mirror while trying to get around him and not hit the car/truck in the lane next to me. After holding up traffic behind me to cleanly get around the cyclist, it really irks me to have him pass me at the next light and have to do it all over again in the next block or two. I understand folks who wish to ride as they want the exersize or don't have a car. I have friends who do it but I don't plan to join them and I really think that city traffic is a lousy place to ride. I think a cyclist really needs to be mindful of how much bigger and heavier a truck is. I can't stop on a dime and any error on their part or my part is gonna hurt. Do do yourself a favour and stay as far away from trucks as you can. Don't push the rules of the road or your luck as you aren't going to win. Please be safe out there. I'm gonna lose sleep if I ever run one of you over. I gave up my Honda Goldwing for similar reasons. I was able to keep up with traffic obviously, but the fools in the trucks were willing to ride 2 feet from my back fender. I try to give motorcycles a whole lot of room as I remember how I felt. However, the common thing is that if I leave a little too much room, some other fool pulls into the space between me and the bike so it doesn't always do much good to be nice. Randy (climbing gingerly down from his soapbox) Right on! And realize that most of the above also applies to cars relative to big trucks. By big truck I mean the class 7 or class 8 trucks often referred to as diesels or semis. -- Philip, with time spent behind a big steering wheel.
Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers
(And no, I am not in support of bicyclists arrogantly taking up too much space in the roadway - they do not have the right to do so). If there is not room to safely share the lane, the cyclist may and should ride far enough to the left to force passing traffic to wait until it is safe to change lanes to pass. It's not arrogance. Last time I checked here, a bicycle _is_ a car so far as the law is concerned. You treat them like such, and you ride them like such. And it stinks, last time I was forced to (single, and having my truck worked on at at shop that wasn't particularly close to work) ride on city streets some asshole in a new Hummer (pre-H2) nearly clipped me as he roared past me on the left in the turn lane. (I was preparing to make my turn to the left.) Totally a ticketable offense, but where's a cop when you need him? Next time I am forced to ride on city streets I think it would be very prudent to sling my Garand across my back. I'd leave the clip at home. The first time! -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers
I've often thought of carrying my Nagant on my motorcycle as well but figured some hotshot rookie cop would want to give me a bunch of shit over it. Mike - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers (And no, I am not in support of bicyclists arrogantly taking up too much space in the roadway - they do not have the right to do so). If there is not room to safely share the lane, the cyclist may and should ride far enough to the left to force passing traffic to wait until it is safe to change lanes to pass. It's not arrogance. Last time I checked here, a bicycle _is_ a car so far as the law is concerned. You treat them like such, and you ride them like such. And it stinks, last time I was forced to (single, and having my truck worked on at at shop that wasn't particularly close to work) ride on city streets some asshole in a new Hummer (pre-H2) nearly clipped me as he roared past me on the left in the turn lane. (I was preparing to make my turn to the left.) Totally a ticketable offense, but where's a cop when you need him? Next time I am forced to ride on city streets I think it would be very prudent to sling my Garand across my back. I'd leave the clip at home. The first time! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers
I've often thought of carrying my Nagant on my motorcycle as well but figured some hotshot rookie cop would want to give me a bunch of shit over it. I figured a short polite conversation with them about it would probably swing them completely to your side, once they'd had a minute or two to think about it. They scrape up way too many bike riders. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers
Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Last time I checked here, a bicycle _is_ a car so far as the law is concerned. You treat them like such, and you ride them like such. And it stinks, last time I was forced to (single, and having my truck worked on at at shop that wasn't particularly close to work) ride on city streets some asshole in a new Hummer (pre-H2) nearly clipped me as he roared past me on the left in the turn lane. (I was preparing to make my turn to the left.) Totally a ticketable offense, but where's a cop when you need him? I sympathize, though here in this college town it's the bicycles and pedestrians who don't pay attention. How many times have I had to stand on the brakes to avoid clobbering some ipod-wearing, text-message-absorbed student who simply crosses the street without so much as a glance to the side. Or the bicyclists who pass a line of cars on the right, run a stop sign, and then flip you the finger when you give them a little heads up beep on the horn. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers
You do have a very good point there... Mike - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers I've often thought of carrying my Nagant on my motorcycle as well but figured some hotshot rookie cop would want to give me a bunch of shit over it. I figured a short polite conversation with them about it would probably swing them completely to your side, once they'd had a minute or two to think about it. They scrape up way too many bike riders. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers
Allan Streib wrote: How many times have I had to stand on the brakes to avoid clobbering some ipod-wearing, text-message-absorbed student who simply crosses the street without so much as a glance to the side. Not that this forgives them any (or keep them from cleaning up the gene pool) but on most college campuses the pedestrians have the right-away and students don't need to look in the crosswalks (it is at MSU at least!). So it might be an out of habit kind of thing. John
Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers
You know, I was very surprised when I heard that passing a line of stopped cars on the right is illegal! I am totally opposed to this law, if it is really a law, because it effectively takes away the one advantage that bike riding provides - the ability to avoid traffic snarls! I just look at the people sitting motionless in their cars and feel a huge scream suckers!! in my mind. I for one will continue to blow by lines of stopped cars lined up at traffic lights, and will continue to feel the JOY of knowing that while cars can get there faster and with more conveniene and safety, I do have this one huge advantage. It is only just that cyclists should be able to enjoy this advantage. Childish - yes - I admit it, but I love the feeling of passing some clown that has dangerously veered toward me (yes, sometimes on purpose) as he passed me a few moments ago. And I will confront them when I catch up to them. I have never had anyone with the courage to back up their cowardly behavior conducted from the safety of their steel cage that wisks them away from consequences. Yes, cyclists do need to obey stop signs, though I will blow one if there is no one around (something I will much more rarely do in a car, since if I miss something behind the wheel, I am liable for major damage). But if there are cars to interact with at an intersection I will conduct myself exactly by the rules of automotive driving (which, by the way, most people really don't play by - instead they like to play the get eye contact and wave the other person on game). It should be about whose car stopped at the appropriate place first, and if there's a tie, the person on the right goes first - nice and simple. Brian Before anyone says it - yes, I do need help, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Allan wrote: Or the bicyclists who pass a line of cars on the right, run a stop sign, and then flip you the finger when you give them a little heads up beep on the horn. On 5/29/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Last time I checked here, a bicycle _is_ a car so far as the law is concerned. You treat them like such, and you ride them like such. And it stinks, last time I was forced to (single, and having my truck worked on at at shop that wasn't particularly close to work) ride on city streets some asshole in a new Hummer (pre-H2) nearly clipped me as he roared past me on the left in the turn lane. (I was preparing to make my turn to the left.) Totally a ticketable offense, but where's a cop when you need him? I sympathize, though here in this college town it's the bicycles and pedestrians who don't pay attention. How many times have I had to stand on the brakes to avoid clobbering some ipod-wearing, text-message-absorbed student who simply crosses the street without so much as a glance to the side. Or the bicyclists who pass a line of cars on the right, run a stop sign, and then flip you the finger when you give them a little heads up beep on the horn. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers
Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You know, I was very surprised when I heard that passing a line of stopped cars on the right is illegal! I am totally opposed to this law, if it is really a law, because it effectively takes away the one advantage that bike riding provides - the ability to avoid traffic snarls! Bikes are supposed to obey all the same traffic laws as cars. I don't know of any jurisdictions where this is not the case. Passing on the right or the shoulder is not a legal manuver. I could see a valid exception if an explicit bicycle lane is marked... [...] I admit it, but I love the feeling of passing some clown that has dangerously veered toward me (yes, sometimes on purpose) as he passed me a few moments ago. And I will confront them when I catch up to them. I have never had anyone with the courage to back up their cowardly behavior conducted from the safety of their steel cage that wisks them away from consequences. Hope you never do. If you happen to piss off the wrong driver, you lose. Big time. -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers
I would be quite pleased if the cyclist by me would obey traffic signals. We have a very nice trail system that crosses many an intersection through neighborhoods and commercial areas. Each intersection is posted with a stop sign for the cyclist/trail user but this does not ensure that they actually stop. Most of them go ripping across traffic and are incensed that you did not yield to them. Blasting across the sidewalks causing mothers with perambulators to veer madly to avoid collisions as well as forcing vehicles to slam on brakes. If ever there were a need for aggressive cyclist demise, it would be for these folks. That includes the inline skater and other speeding personage of limited mental capacity. Used to be you were expected to walk your bike across the street. On May 29, 2007, at 10:10 AM, Zoltan Finks wrote: You know, I was very surprised when I heard that passing a line of stopped cars on the right is illegal! I am totally opposed to this law, if it is really a law, because it effectively takes away the one advantage that bike riding provides - the ability to avoid traffic snarls! I just look at the people sitting motionless in their cars and feel a huge scream suckers!! in my mind. I for one will continue to blow by lines of stopped cars lined up at traffic lights, and will continue to feel the JOY of knowing that while cars can get there faster and with more conveniene and safety, I do have this one huge advantage. It is only just that cyclists should be able to enjoy this advantage. Childish - yes - I admit it, but I love the feeling of passing some clown that has dangerously veered toward me (yes, sometimes on purpose) as he passed me a few moments ago. And I will confront them when I catch up to them. I have never had anyone with the courage to back up their cowardly behavior conducted from the safety of their steel cage that wisks them away from consequences. Yes, cyclists do need to obey stop signs, though I will blow one if there is no one around (something I will much more rarely do in a car, since if I miss something behind the wheel, I am liable for major damage). But if there are cars to interact with at an intersection I will conduct myself exactly by the rules of automotive driving (which, by the way, most people really don't play by - instead they like to play the get eye contact and wave the other person on game). It should be about whose car stopped at the appropriate place first, and if there's a tie, the person on the right goes first - nice and simple. Brian Before anyone says it - yes, I do need help, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Allan wrote: Or the bicyclists who pass a line of cars on the right, run a stop sign, and then flip you the finger when you give them a little heads up beep on the horn. On 5/29/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Last time I checked here, a bicycle _is_ a car so far as the law is concerned. You treat them like such, and you ride them like such. And it stinks, last time I was forced to (single, and having my truck worked on at at shop that wasn't particularly close to work) ride on city streets some asshole in a new Hummer (pre-H2) nearly clipped me as he roared past me on the left in the turn lane. (I was preparing to make my turn to the left.) Totally a ticketable offense, but where's a cop when you need him? I sympathize, though here in this college town it's the bicycles and pedestrians who don't pay attention. How many times have I had to stand on the brakes to avoid clobbering some ipod-wearing, text-message-absorbed student who simply crosses the street without so much as a glance to the side. Or the bicyclists who pass a line of cars on the right, run a stop sign, and then flip you the finger when you give them a little heads up beep on the horn. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers
Interesting you mention this. Just yesterday, I must admit, I did not notice one of these little signs posted at the right edge of the bike trail. And I was upset that two cars did not yield to me. I honestly did not think they had the right of way to cross into the straight-line path of bicycle traffic on the trail. Wife pointed out the miniature stop sign to me. That's cool. But I wonder, as with stop signs posted in shopping centers, if they are actually legally enforceable? brian On 5/29/07, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be quite pleased if the cyclist by me would obey traffic signals. We have a very nice trail system that crosses many an intersection through neighborhoods and commercial areas. Each intersection is posted with a stop sign for the cyclist/trail user but this does not ensure that they actually stop. Most of them go ripping across traffic and are incensed that you did not yield to them. Blasting across the sidewalks causing mothers with perambulators to veer madly to avoid collisions as well as forcing vehicles to slam on brakes. If ever there were a need for aggressive cyclist demise, it would be for these folks. That includes the inline skater and other speeding personage of limited mental capacity. Used to be you were expected to walk your bike across the street. On May 29, 2007, at 10:10 AM, Zoltan Finks wrote: You know, I was very surprised when I heard that passing a line of stopped cars on the right is illegal! I am totally opposed to this law, if it is really a law, because it effectively takes away the one advantage that bike riding provides - the ability to avoid traffic snarls! I just look at the people sitting motionless in their cars and feel a huge scream suckers!! in my mind. I for one will continue to blow by lines of stopped cars lined up at traffic lights, and will continue to feel the JOY of knowing that while cars can get there faster and with more conveniene and safety, I do have this one huge advantage. It is only just that cyclists should be able to enjoy this advantage. Childish - yes - I admit it, but I love the feeling of passing some clown that has dangerously veered toward me (yes, sometimes on purpose) as he passed me a few moments ago. And I will confront them when I catch up to them. I have never had anyone with the courage to back up their cowardly behavior conducted from the safety of their steel cage that wisks them away from consequences. Yes, cyclists do need to obey stop signs, though I will blow one if there is no one around (something I will much more rarely do in a car, since if I miss something behind the wheel, I am liable for major damage). But if there are cars to interact with at an intersection I will conduct myself exactly by the rules of automotive driving (which, by the way, most people really don't play by - instead they like to play the get eye contact and wave the other person on game). It should be about whose car stopped at the appropriate place first, and if there's a tie, the person on the right goes first - nice and simple. Brian Before anyone says it - yes, I do need help, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Allan wrote: Or the bicyclists who pass a line of cars on the right, run a stop sign, and then flip you the finger when you give them a little heads up beep on the horn. On 5/29/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Last time I checked here, a bicycle _is_ a car so far as the law is concerned. You treat them like such, and you ride them like such. And it stinks, last time I was forced to (single, and having my truck worked on at at shop that wasn't particularly close to work) ride on city streets some asshole in a new Hummer (pre-H2) nearly clipped me as he roared past me on the left in the turn lane. (I was preparing to make my turn to the left.) Totally a ticketable offense, but where's a cop when you need him? I sympathize, though here in this college town it's the bicycles and pedestrians who don't pay attention. How many times have I had to stand on the brakes to avoid clobbering some ipod-wearing, text-message-absorbed student who simply crosses the street without so much as a glance to the side. Or the bicyclists who pass a line of cars on the right, run a stop sign, and then flip you the finger when you give them a little heads up beep on the horn. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change
Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers
Not sure if you're trolling a little bit here, but, are surely you not saying you'd prefer the satisfaction of disregarding a non-enforcable stop sign to being alive? Anyway, public bike paths are government-owned and thus any signage is very likely enforcable. Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Interesting you mention this. Just yesterday, I must admit, I did not notice one of these little signs posted at the right edge of the bike trail. And I was upset that two cars did not yield to me. I honestly did not think they had the right of way to cross into the straight-line path of bicycle traffic on the trail. Wife pointed out the miniature stop sign to me. That's cool. But I wonder, as with stop signs posted in shopping centers, if they are actually legally enforceable? brian -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers
Allan Streib wrote: Not sure if you're trolling a little bit here, but, are surely you not saying you'd prefer the satisfaction of disregarding a non-enforcable stop sign to being alive? No kidding! I don't really care if they are enforceable or not... if there isn't a stop sign for the cars, I'm stopping. John
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Actually don't know what trolling means :) but what I was saying is that were a legal dispute to arise, would a court be able to enforce the miniature stop sign (or the stop sign on the private property of the shopping center). Just wondering. Wasn't saying, guys, that I would like to be at once right and dead. In fact I tell my wife and anyone else I'd like to annoy with my admonitions, that no stop sign or traffic light will protect you from a moving vehicle. Brian On 5/29/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure if you're trolling a little bit here, but, are surely you not saying you'd prefer the satisfaction of disregarding a non-enforcable stop sign to being alive? Anyway, public bike paths are government-owned and thus any signage is very likely enforcable. Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Interesting you mention this. Just yesterday, I must admit, I did not notice one of these little signs posted at the right edge of the bike trail. And I was upset that two cars did not yield to me. I honestly did not think they had the right of way to cross into the straight-line path of bicycle traffic on the trail. Wife pointed out the miniature stop sign to me. That's cool. But I wonder, as with stop signs posted in shopping centers, if they are actually legally enforceable? brian -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers
See, this is really amazing to me: It is literally expected that a bicyclist will stop way back from a red light - sometimes a half a mile or more - and wait beside the car that they are next to? And this gets confusing when you consider which car to choose to wait beside. I mean it's a law, right, so let's follow it exactly. If traffic is already stopped and backed up at a light, you are required to pull up along side the rear-most car and wait there? And if you are cruising along side traffic and it slows and stops in a line at a light, you are to find a car that is about to roll to its stop, and pick it as your car to wait beside? If it sounds crazy, I think it is! I don't consider advancing past stopped traffic at a red light passing (though I know it is legally considered so). I simply consider it advancing along in my legitimate and legal bike area (the rightmost margin of the roadway). If there is not another bike in my way, I will advance all the way up to the intersection then wait, or go if the light is green by such time. I'm sure I can be proven wrong legally, but that doesn't make it any less a stupid law. And yes, I realize the reason for the law is to avoid the danger of a car pulling out to the right and into the path of the cyclist. All this said, just remember that laws are broken all day, every day, and they always will be. It's known as human nature. I don't remember the last time I saw someone actually come to a complete stop at a stop sign, for instance. And it's extremely rare to find anyone obeying the speed limit. So I am not going to negate the great advantage of riding a bicycle by obeying this urealistic and unreasonable law. Fun, ain't it? Brian Allan wrote: Bikes are supposed to obey all the same traffic laws as cars. I don't know of any jurisdictions where this is not the case. Passing on the right or the shoulder is not a legal manuver. I could see a valid exception if an explicit bicycle lane is marked...
Re: [MBZ] OT Road Bicycling and Walking Vs. Drivers
All the signs the local cyclist disregard are standard size DOT signage and placed in public right of way. If you are on private property like a mall, then you fall under the purview of what ever nazi regulations they choose to enforce. clay On May 29, 2007, at 12:26 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote: Interesting you mention this. Just yesterday, I must admit, I did not notice one of these little signs posted at the right edge of the bike trail. And I was upset that two cars did not yield to me. I honestly did not think they had the right of way to cross into the straight-line path of bicycle traffic on the trail. Wife pointed out the miniature stop sign to me. That's cool. But I wonder, as with stop signs posted in shopping centers, if they are actually legally enforceable? brian On 5/29/07, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be quite pleased if the cyclist by me would obey traffic signals. We have a very nice trail system that crosses many an intersection through neighborhoods and commercial areas. Each intersection is posted with a stop sign for the cyclist/trail user but this does not ensure that they actually stop. Most of them go ripping across traffic and are incensed that you did not yield to them. Blasting across the sidewalks causing mothers with perambulators to veer madly to avoid collisions as well as forcing vehicles to slam on brakes. If ever there were a need for aggressive cyclist demise, it would be for these folks. That includes the inline skater and other speeding personage of limited mental capacity. Used to be you were expected to walk your bike across the street. On May 29, 2007, at 10:10 AM, Zoltan Finks wrote: You know, I was very surprised when I heard that passing a line of stopped cars on the right is illegal! I am totally opposed to this law, if it is really a law, because it effectively takes away the one advantage that bike riding provides - the ability to avoid traffic snarls! I just look at the people sitting motionless in their cars and feel a huge scream suckers!! in my mind. I for one will continue to blow by lines of stopped cars lined up at traffic lights, and will continue to feel the JOY of knowing that while cars can get there faster and with more conveniene and safety, I do have this one huge advantage. It is only just that cyclists should be able to enjoy this advantage. Childish - yes - I admit it, but I love the feeling of passing some clown that has dangerously veered toward me (yes, sometimes on purpose) as he passed me a few moments ago. And I will confront them when I catch up to them. I have never had anyone with the courage to back up their cowardly behavior conducted from the safety of their steel cage that wisks them away from consequences. Yes, cyclists do need to obey stop signs, though I will blow one if there is no one around (something I will much more rarely do in a car, since if I miss something behind the wheel, I am liable for major damage). But if there are cars to interact with at an intersection I will conduct myself exactly by the rules of automotive driving (which, by the way, most people really don't play by - instead they like to play the get eye contact and wave the other person on game). It should be about whose car stopped at the appropriate place first, and if there's a tie, the person on the right goes first - nice and simple. Brian Before anyone says it - yes, I do need help, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Allan wrote: Or the bicyclists who pass a line of cars on the right, run a stop sign, and then flip you the finger when you give them a little heads up beep on the horn. On 5/29/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Last time I checked here, a bicycle _is_ a car so far as the law is concerned. You treat them like such, and you ride them like such. And it stinks, last time I was forced to (single, and having my truck worked on at at shop that wasn't particularly close to work) ride on city streets some asshole in a new Hummer (pre-H2) nearly clipped me as he roared past me on the left in the turn lane. (I was preparing to make my turn to the left.) Totally a ticketable offense, but where's a cop when you need him? I sympathize, though here in this college town it's the bicycles and pedestrians who don't pay attention. How many times have I had to stand on the brakes to avoid clobbering some ipod-wearing, text-message-absorbed student who simply crosses the street without so much as a glance to the side. Or the bicyclists who pass a line of cars on the right, run a stop sign, and then flip you the finger when you give them a little heads up beep on the horn. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
