Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Take the Finnie to a local Memorial Day parade.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Thu, May 23, 2019, 4:15 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Agreed. I was thinking that as well. I knew I was going to have to replace
> them anyway, so I might was well do it now.
>
> Got the AC blower installed this morning so that’s dealt with. Got some
> new batteries in the key fob and reprogrammed it and it’s working. I need
> to take a look at the front brakes, as the wear indicator light has been
> coming on since I bought the car. I know the rears are good, so the fronts
> may need some pads.
>
> Three day weekend coming up, time to get the Finnie finished or close to
> it and spend some more time getting this thing totally sorted.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On May 23, 2019, at 4:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Good for you. I was going to say, anything AWD is going to need
> identical tires on all four corners.
> >
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Sent: May 23, 2019 3:19 PM
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> > Cc: d...@penoff.com
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires
> >
> >
> > I caved on new tires.
> >
> > Went to my tire guy to get it aligned, and told him to run some numbers
> for a pair of new tires for it. He had to spend about 10 minutes searching
> their supplier’s warehouses. They had some Kumho tires, which happened to
> be exactly the same tire that’s on the front of the car, laying around. He
> said they were a year old so they would give me a deal.
> >
> > So I took him up on it. Waiting for them to come over from the warehouse
> right now.
> >
> > -D
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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You can't go wrong replacing a holey tire.

On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 4:16 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> Definitely. Still trying to keep things cheep, but I knew it was going to
> have to be done at some point in the near future.
>
> -D
>
> > On May 23, 2019, at 4:11 PM, Dwight Giles 
> wrote:
> >
> > Probably  smart move  & better than 'penny wise & pound foolish'
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> > On Thu, May 23, 2019, 3:19 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> >
> > I caved on new tires.
> >
> > Went to my tire guy to get it aligned, and told him to run some numbers
> for a pair of new tires for it. He had to spend about 10 minutes searching
> their supplier’s warehouses. They had some Kumho tires, which happened to
> be exactly the same tire that’s on the front of the car, laying around. He
> said they were a year old so they would give me a deal.
> >
> > So I took him up on it. Waiting for them to come over from the warehouse
> right now.
> >
> > -D
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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Definitely. Still trying to keep things cheep, but I knew it was going to have 
to be done at some point in the near future.

-D

> On May 23, 2019, at 4:11 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> Probably  smart move  & better than 'penny wise & pound foolish'
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Thu, May 23, 2019, 3:19 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  > wrote:
> 
> I caved on new tires.
> 
> Went to my tire guy to get it aligned, and told him to run some numbers for a 
> pair of new tires for it. He had to spend about 10 minutes searching their 
> supplier’s warehouses. They had some Kumho tires, which happened to be 
> exactly the same tire that’s on the front of the car, laying around. He said 
> they were a year old so they would give me a deal.
> 
> So I took him up on it. Waiting for them to come over from the warehouse 
> right now.
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Agreed. I was thinking that as well. I knew I was going to have to replace them 
anyway, so I might was well do it now.

Got the AC blower installed this morning so that’s dealt with. Got some new 
batteries in the key fob and reprogrammed it and it’s working. I need to take a 
look at the front brakes, as the wear indicator light has been coming on since 
I bought the car. I know the rears are good, so the fronts may need some pads.

Three day weekend coming up, time to get the Finnie finished or close to it and 
spend some more time getting this thing totally sorted.

-D


> On May 23, 2019, at 4:09 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Good for you. I was going to say, anything AWD is going to need identical 
> tires on all four corners.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: May 23, 2019 3:19 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires
> 
> 
> I caved on new tires.
> 
> Went to my tire guy to get it aligned, and told him to run some numbers for a 
> pair of new tires for it. He had to spend about 10 minutes searching their 
> supplier’s warehouses. They had some Kumho tires, which happened to be 
> exactly the same tire that’s on the front of the car, laying around. He said 
> they were a year old so they would give me a deal.
> 
> So I took him up on it. Waiting for them to come over from the warehouse 
> right now.
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Probably  smart move  & better than 'penny wise & pound foolish'

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Thu, May 23, 2019, 3:19 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

>
> I caved on new tires.
>
> Went to my tire guy to get it aligned, and told him to run some numbers
> for a pair of new tires for it. He had to spend about 10 minutes searching
> their supplier’s warehouses. They had some Kumho tires, which happened to
> be exactly the same tire that’s on the front of the car, laying around. He
> said they were a year old so they would give me a deal.
>
> So I took him up on it. Waiting for them to come over from the warehouse
> right now.
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Good for you. I was going to say, anything AWD is going to need identical tires 
on all four corners.


Rick

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I caved on new tires.

Went to my tire guy to get it aligned, and told him to run some numbers for a 
pair of new tires for it. He had to spend about 10 minutes searching their 
supplier’s warehouses. They had some Kumho tires, which happened to be exactly 
the same tire that’s on the front of the car, laying around. He said they were 
a year old so they would give me a deal.

So I took him up on it. Waiting for them to come over from the warehouse right 
now.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I caved on new tires.

Went to my tire guy to get it aligned, and told him to run some numbers for a 
pair of new tires for it. He had to spend about 10 minutes searching their 
supplier’s warehouses. They had some Kumho tires, which happened to be exactly 
the same tire that’s on the front of the car, laying around. He said they were 
a year old so they would give me a deal.

So I took him up on it. Waiting for them to come over from the warehouse right 
now.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I discovered the glue trick when I rented a back hoe with 18 ply tires,
during a building tear down. Managed to collect 16 nails in one tire, less
in the other 3, so, by mid afternoon, I had a rented reach backhoe with 4
flat tires [big ones] and rendered un-serviceable.
Rental contract said, I would be charged for picking up the tractor with
flat tires [$$ expensive pickup] So, I went to FLAPS and stocked up on
plug materials, pulled nails, plugged the tires, had a job air compressor
to air them up. It worked, back in business in about 1 hr. I clipped the
plug part sticking out of the tires and when rental was collected, it drove
onto their delivery truck, rental company never complained, so saved my
bacon. Tire pressure on the backhoe was 90 psi, so if it was going to leak,
it would have.

On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 8:33 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I’ve been reading some things online, and I see where some people suggest
> coating the reamer with glue as a way to get more glue into the opening.
> Makes sense to me.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On May 22, 2019, at 8:02 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > That's what I do, smoosh the cement on the plug material just before I
> jam
> > it in. From my experience, it helps make the coating on the plug cord
> > material more liquid and "fills the hole better".
> >
> > On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 4:50 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I have a tube of vulcanizing cement as well. How should I apply it? Put
> >> some on the plug?
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
> >>> On May 22, 2019, at 12:56 PM, fmiser via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
>  Dan wrote:
> >>>
>  Should I let most of the pressure out of the tire before I pull
>  the nail out?
> >>>
> >>> No.  It's easier to work on if the tire is stiff from internal air
> >>> pressure.  Not letting extra air out is especially valuable if the
> >>> means of re-inflation is a hand pump. *smiles*
> >>>
> >>> Pull the nail out, use the reamer to make the hole big enough and
> >>> to clean the rubber in the hole (I like the one with stepped
> >>> diameters), and put a plug in.
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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’ve been reading some things online, and I see where some people suggest 
coating the reamer with glue as a way to get more glue into the opening. Makes 
sense to me.

-D


> On May 22, 2019, at 8:02 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That's what I do, smoosh the cement on the plug material just before I jam
> it in. From my experience, it helps make the coating on the plug cord
> material more liquid and "fills the hole better".
> 
> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 4:50 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I have a tube of vulcanizing cement as well. How should I apply it? Put
>> some on the plug?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 22, 2019, at 12:56 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>> 
 Dan wrote:
>>> 
 Should I let most of the pressure out of the tire before I pull
 the nail out?
>>> 
>>> No.  It's easier to work on if the tire is stiff from internal air
>>> pressure.  Not letting extra air out is especially valuable if the
>>> means of re-inflation is a hand pump. *smiles*
>>> 
>>> Pull the nail out, use the reamer to make the hole big enough and
>>> to clean the rubber in the hole (I like the one with stepped
>>> diameters), and put a plug in.
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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Won't the tire deflate quickly during this procedure?

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 8:03 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> That's what I do, smoosh the cement on the plug material just before I jam
> it in. From my experience, it helps make the coating on the plug cord
> material more liquid and "fills the hole better".
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 4:50 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I have a tube of vulcanizing cement as well. How should I apply it? Put
> > some on the plug?
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> > > On May 22, 2019, at 12:56 PM, fmiser via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Dan wrote:
> > >
> > >> Should I let most of the pressure out of the tire before I pull
> > >> the nail out?
> > >
> > > No.  It's easier to work on if the tire is stiff from internal air
> > > pressure.  Not letting extra air out is especially valuable if the
> > > means of re-inflation is a hand pump. *smiles*
> > >
> > > Pull the nail out, use the reamer to make the hole big enough and
> > > to clean the rubber in the hole (I like the one with stepped
> > > diameters), and put a plug in.
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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[G Mann via Mercedes]

That's what I do, smoosh the cement on the plug material just before I jam
it in. From my experience, it helps make the coating on the plug cord
material more liquid and "fills the hole better".

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 4:50 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have a tube of vulcanizing cement as well. How should I apply it? Put
> some on the plug?
>
> -D
>
>
> > On May 22, 2019, at 12:56 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Dan wrote:
> >
> >> Should I let most of the pressure out of the tire before I pull
> >> the nail out?
> >
> > No.  It's easier to work on if the tire is stiff from internal air
> > pressure.  Not letting extra air out is especially valuable if the
> > means of re-inflation is a hand pump. *smiles*
> >
> > Pull the nail out, use the reamer to make the hole big enough and
> > to clean the rubber in the hole (I like the one with stepped
> > diameters), and put a plug in.
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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I have a tube of vulcanizing cement as well. How should I apply it? Put some on 
the plug?

-D


> On May 22, 2019, at 12:56 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> Dan wrote:
> 
>> Should I let most of the pressure out of the tire before I pull
>> the nail out?
> 
> No.  It's easier to work on if the tire is stiff from internal air
> pressure.  Not letting extra air out is especially valuable if the
> means of re-inflation is a hand pump. *smiles*
> 
> Pull the nail out, use the reamer to make the hole big enough and
> to clean the rubber in the hole (I like the one with stepped
> diameters), and put a plug in.
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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Dan wrote:

> Should I let most of the pressure out of the tire before I pull
> the nail out?

No.  It's easier to work on if the tire is stiff from internal air
pressure.  Not letting extra air out is especially valuable if the
means of re-inflation is a hand pump. *smiles*

Pull the nail out, use the reamer to make the hole big enough and
to clean the rubber in the hole (I like the one with stepped
diameters), and put a plug in.

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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Yes, just a stroke or two.  
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

On May 22, 2019 9:06:11 AM EDT, Dan--- via Mercedes  
wrote:
>That makes sense. But don’t I have to ream the hole before I put the
>plug in?
>
>-D
>
>> On May 22, 2019, at 9:02 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> No, leave the pressure in the tire.  If it does go low before you get
>the
>> plug in, you'll have to pump it back up so the tread is stiff enough
>that
>> you can push the plug in.
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 8:55 AM Dan--- via Mercedes
>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Should I let most of the pressure out of the tire before I pull the
>nail
>>> out?
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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

That makes sense. But don’t I have to ream the hole before I put the plug in?

-D

> On May 22, 2019, at 9:02 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> No, leave the pressure in the tire.  If it does go low before you get the
> plug in, you'll have to pump it back up so the tread is stiff enough that
> you can push the plug in.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 8:55 AM Dan--- via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Should I let most of the pressure out of the tire before I pull the nail
>> out?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

No, leave the pressure in the tire.  If it does go low before you get the
plug in, you'll have to pump it back up so the tread is stiff enough that
you can push the plug in.
-
Max
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>
> Should I let most of the pressure out of the tire before I pull the nail
> out?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Pretty much my thought.

Should I let most of the pressure out of the tire before I pull the nail out?

It’s been easily 40 years since I plugged a tire. I have no recollection of the 
process...

-D

On May 22, 2019, at 3:04 AM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

>> Dan--- wrote:
> 
>> The question is, do I pull it out and plug the hole, or just
>> leave it alone? 
> 
> If it were my tire, I would pull the nail out and plug the hole.
> Easy choice.
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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

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> On May 22, 2019 at 3:03 AM fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:
> > Hardest part about using it is cleaning the goo off your shears
> > after you cut the excess off. 
> 
> I use an old pair of diagonal cutters just for cutting plugs - and
> so don't bother trying to get them very clean.
> 

One time I remembered there was an old blade stowed in the handle of my Stanley 
knife so I used the old one and threw it away. 
Now that I've got a box of single edge razors for my razor scraper, six cents 
worth of razor blade would do the job. 

Mitch.

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[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Dan--- wrote:

> The question is, do I pull it out and plug the hole, or just
> leave it alone? 

If it were my tire, I would pull the nail out and plug the hole.
Easy choice.

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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Dan wrote:

> So my question is this:
> 
> Are the DIY tire plugging kits a realistic alternative? 

Oh yeah.  I have many thousands of miles on at least a few dozen
tires I have put plugs in. 

> Is there anything I should be aware of when choosing one?

Get the gooey plugs, a reamer, and a "T" handle plug inserter.

> Mitch wrote:

> Hardest part about using it is cleaning the goo off your shears
> after you cut the excess off. 

I use an old pair of diagonal cutters just for cutting plugs - and
so don't bother trying to get them very clean.

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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Pull it, plug it, then forget it ...

On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:52 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  I would be worried about sudden catastrophic failure while cruising along
> at 75 miles an hour on the interstate.
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2019, 4:46 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > If it hold air, leave it.   When it starts leaking, plug it.
> >
> > Dan--- via Mercedes wrote on 5/21/19 3:16 PM:
> > > I’m torn because this is clearly a roofing nail that’s been in the tire
> > for some miles, as the head is well worn.
> > >
> > > The question is, do I pull it out and plug the hole, or just leave it
> > alone? After all, as the head wears off I would expect it’s even less
> > likely to come out, as less mass would be that much less affected by the
> > centrifugal forces.
> > >
> > > Hmm.
> > >
> > > -D
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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

 I would be worried about sudden catastrophic failure while cruising along
at 75 miles an hour on the interstate.

On Tue, May 21, 2019, 4:46 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> If it hold air, leave it.   When it starts leaking, plug it.
>
> Dan--- via Mercedes wrote on 5/21/19 3:16 PM:
> > I’m torn because this is clearly a roofing nail that’s been in the tire
> for some miles, as the head is well worn.
> >
> > The question is, do I pull it out and plug the hole, or just leave it
> alone? After all, as the head wears off I would expect it’s even less
> likely to come out, as less mass would be that much less affected by the
> centrifugal forces.
> >
> > Hmm.
> >
> > -D
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

If it hold air, leave it.   When it starts leaking, plug it.

Dan--- via Mercedes wrote on 5/21/19 3:16 PM:

I’m torn because this is clearly a roofing nail that’s been in the tire for 
some miles, as the head is well worn.

The question is, do I pull it out and plug the hole, or just leave it alone? 
After all, as the head wears off I would expect it’s even less likely to come 
out, as less mass would be that much less affected by the centrifugal forces.

Hmm.

-D




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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

In my new nokian, I think one of the regular plugs would have been fine, 
but they spooked me by saying it could not be fixed.   So I ordered the 
mushroom patch/plug to be sure something would hold.   But it was about 
1/4 of the way in from the shoulder, so a plug would have worked just fine.


MG via Mercedes wrote on 5/21/19 2:56 PM:
I carry one of those gooey cord plug sets in the car all the time. it 
has helped more than once or twice over the years. No problems, just 
does the job and lasts till the tire gets replaced  because it's worn 
out.


MG




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> On May 21, 2019 at 4:16 PM Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> I’m torn because this is clearly a roofing nail that’s been in the tire for 
> some miles, as the head is well worn.

Nails don't fly out, philips screwdrivers don't even fly out, but once the head 
is gone they can get pushed in. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I’m torn because this is clearly a roofing nail that’s been in the tire for 
some miles, as the head is well worn.

The question is, do I pull it out and plug the hole, or just leave it alone? 
After all, as the head wears off I would expect it’s even less likely to come 
out, as less mass would be that much less affected by the centrifugal forces.

Hmm.

-D

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[MG via Mercedes]

I carry one of those gooey cord plug sets in 
the car all the time. it has helped more than 
once or twice over the years. No problems, 
just does the job and lasts till the tire 
gets replaced  because it's worn out.


MG


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>Worse than Old Milwaukee or Meisterbrau? Those >were my grandmother’s 
>favorites.-D

YES

Rick
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[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Worse than Old Milwaukee or Meisterbrau? Those were my grandmother’s favorites.

-D

> On May 21, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Fox Deluxe -- "It's the Water"
> 
> Bad memories of FD, what I can remember.  Buck 9 a six, go to brew after 
> getting there on Budweiser which was like $2 a 6...
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 5/21/19 1:25 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> Maybe it *was* “fox”.
>> 
>> Yum.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> On May 21, 2019, at 1:03 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
> You wasted good beer on a tire?
 Who said it was GOOD beer?
>>> My two favorite beers were "cold" and "free"...
>>> 
>>> Worst beer I ever drank was warm Fox Deluxe.
>>> 
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[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Fox Deluxe -- "It's the Water"

Bad memories of FD, what I can remember.  Buck 9 a six, go to brew after 
getting there on Budweiser which was like $2 a 6...


--FT

On 5/21/19 1:25 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

Maybe it *was* “fox”.

Yum.

-D

On May 21, 2019, at 1:03 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
wrote:


You wasted good beer on a tire?

Who said it was GOOD beer?

My two favorite beers were "cold" and "free"...

Worst beer I ever drank was warm Fox Deluxe.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Maybe it *was* “fox”.

Yum.

-D

On May 21, 2019, at 1:03 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
wrote:

>>> You wasted good beer on a tire?
> 
>> Who said it was GOOD beer?
> 
> My two favorite beers were "cold" and "free"...
> 
> Worst beer I ever drank was warm Fox Deluxe.
> 
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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>> You wasted good beer on a tire?

>Who said it was GOOD beer?

My two favorite beers were "cold" and "free"...

Worst beer I ever drank was warm Fox Deluxe.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 6:00 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You wasted good beer on a tire?
>

Who said it was GOOD beer?

-MMM-

>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

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> On May 20, 2019 at 11:13 PM Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> When I had a tire repaired on our '90 E300D in North Carolina a year ago,
> the guy lit the glue on fire ...

I've seen pics of old Monkey Grip kits that included a hot clamp. IIRC, you put 
fuel in the clamp and lit it. 
I can remember my dad helping me patch my bike tire, and he lit the glue. It 
didn't seem to help, maybe he left it burning too long. 

Mitch

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[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 21 May 2019 02:25:09 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 wrote:

> > A real tire shop will remove tire from rim and patch >the inside,
> > this is superior, but the DIY plugs are fine.
> 
> Anybody remember when you had to vulcanize the patch by lightning the
> glue on fire?

When I had a tire repaired on our '90 E300D in North Carolina a year ago,
the guy lit the glue on fire ...


Craig

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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yep fizzy patches.   They worked great.   My dad had a vulcanizer, so he 
would never by or let me buy fizzy patches.   But I saw some town kids 
patch bike tubes with them and they were great.  I wish you could still 
get them.    But da widdle snowfwakes would burn them selves, so none of 
us can get them.


Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote on 5/20/19 9:25 PM:

A real tire shop will remove tire from rim and patch >the inside, this is 
superior, but the DIY plugs are fine.

Anybody remember when you had to vulcanize the patch by lightning the glue on 
fire?

Guess I'm getting old...

Rick




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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

> A real tire shop will remove tire from rim and patch >the inside, this is 
> superior, but the DIY plugs are fine.

Anybody remember when you had to vulcanize the patch by lightning the glue on 
fire?

Guess I'm getting old...

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I'm suddenly reminded of a bicycle tire leak detector I bought in the 1980s.
It's a screened container, about the diameter of a Carmex tub but half as tall, 
with tiny styrofoam beads in it. You blow the tire up to 100psi, and slowly 
spin the tire past the container, and the beads dance when the pinhole goes 
past. It only works for gross leaks that aren't quite gross enough to feel 
blowing on your face, but it sounded good in principle, and I think I only paid 
about a dollar for it. 
Mitch. 

> On May 20, 2019 at 7:55 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I tried that once, but no matter how many cups I drank, I STILL could not see 
> the air coming out!

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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I had a screw in a new nokian on the van within a day.   Tire shop 
refused to plug or patch it.  They claimed it was too near the 
shoulder.   I ordered a mushroom plugs from fleabay and patched it 
myself.   It is fine.   I bought a new can of cement from the FLAPS to 
use with the mushroom plug.  I had a little trouble getting the tar 
broken down and dismounted.   Once the tar was off, it was pretty 
simple.   The muchroom patch combines the properties of a patch and a 
plug.   Belt and suspenders.


Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 5/20/19 4:43 PM:

So my question is this:

Are the DIY tire plugging kits a realistic alternative?  Is there anything I 
should be aware of when choosing one? Or should I just ignore the nail and 
leave it in situ with the hope that it is so firmly entrenched it will never 
come out?

-D




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[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Ha!  Good one ...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

On May 20, 2019 7:55:21 PM EDT, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I tried that once, but no matter how many cups I drank, I STILL could
>not see the air coming out!
>
>Greg
>
>-Original Message-
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>
>On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 5:42 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Do it yourself. Those kits are all basically the same.
>
>
>And if you wanna do it Okie-Q style, check for bubbles using a cup of
>beer.  That's how I did it that one time in Claremore.
>
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[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I tried that once, but no matter how many cups I drank, I STILL could not see 
the air coming out!

Greg

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On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 5:42 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Do it yourself. Those kits are all basically the same.


And if you wanna do it Okie-Q style, check for bubbles using a cup of
beer.  That's how I did it that one time in Claremore.

-MMM-
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

You wasted good beer on a tire?

-D


> On May 20, 2019, at 6:52 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 5:42 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Do it yourself. Those kits are all basically the same.
> 
> 
> And if you wanna do it Okie-Q style, check for bubbles using a cup of
> beer.  That's how I did it that one time in Claremore.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 20 May 2019 18:10:45 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I've plugged ten or more tires, sometimes more than one plug in the
> same tire.  Never had an issue.  

I had a tire plugged by our local service station in Calhan, Colorado and
thereafter had many problems with it leaking.


> A real tire shop will remove tire from rim and patch the inside, this
> is superior, but the DIY plugs are fine.

This is what finally solved my leaking tire problem and is the only way I
will fix tires now.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 5:42 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Do it yourself. Those kits are all basically the same.


And if you wanna do it Okie-Q style, check for bubbles using a cup of
beer.  That's how I did it that one time in Claremore.

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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes my thoughts exactly. Take it to your local service station. That's what
I do.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mon, May 20, 2019, 5:49 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Go to a local shop, the nationals have some sort of policy where they
> can't plug tires sometimes if they could present a hazard, some states
> also won't allow plugs so it presents a liability for them.  I had a
> trailer tire that Firestone refused to plug, the guy told me to take it
> down the road to a local shop and they fixed it.
>
> --FT
>
> On 5/20/19 5:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > Noticed the ML had a back tire with a nail in it. Looks like it’s
> solidly in place and has been there for a while. Took the tire to my tire
> guy today, but despite begging and cajoling he refused to plug it, mainly
> because he said it didn’t have enough tread left (it’s probably got about
> 3/16” of tread left, maybe a little more.)
> >
> > I realize this is just a ploy on the part of the tire dealers to sell
> more tires, however, as this is a beater vehicle I’m not about to drop any
> coin on new tires unless they’re absolutely necessary.
> >
> > So my question is this:
> >
> > Are the DIY tire plugging kits a realistic alternative?  Is there
> anything I should be aware of when choosing one? Or should I just ignore
> the nail and leave it in situ with the hope that it is so firmly entrenched
> it will never come out?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Do it yourself. Those kits are all basically the same. 

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> On May 20, 2019, at 6:10 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I've plugged ten or more tires, sometimes more than one plug in the same 
> tire.  Never had an issue.  
> 
> A real tire shop will remove tire from rim and patch the inside, this is 
> superior, but the DIY plugs are fine.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
>> On May 20, 2019 5:43:17 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> Noticed the ML had a back tire with a nail in it. Looks like it’s
>> solidly in place and has been there for a while. Took the tire to my
>> tire guy today, but despite begging and cajoling he refused to plug it,
>> mainly because he said it didn’t have enough tread left (it’s probably
>> got about 3/16” of tread left, maybe a little more.)
>> 
>> I realize this is just a ploy on the part of the tire dealers to sell
>> more tires, however, as this is a beater vehicle I’m not about to drop
>> any coin on new tires unless they’re absolutely necessary.
>> 
>> So my question is this:
>> 
>> Are the DIY tire plugging kits a realistic alternative?  Is there
>> anything I should be aware of when choosing one? Or should I just
>> ignore the nail and leave it in situ with the hope that it is so firmly
>> entrenched it will never come out?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I've plugged ten or more tires, sometimes more than one plug in the same tire.  
Never had an issue.  

A real tire shop will remove tire from rim and patch the inside, this is 
superior, but the DIY plugs are fine.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

On May 20, 2019 5:43:17 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:
>Noticed the ML had a back tire with a nail in it. Looks like it’s
>solidly in place and has been there for a while. Took the tire to my
>tire guy today, but despite begging and cajoling he refused to plug it,
>mainly because he said it didn’t have enough tread left (it’s probably
>got about 3/16” of tread left, maybe a little more.)
>
>I realize this is just a ploy on the part of the tire dealers to sell
>more tires, however, as this is a beater vehicle I’m not about to drop
>any coin on new tires unless they’re absolutely necessary.
>
>So my question is this:
>
>Are the DIY tire plugging kits a realistic alternative?  Is there
>anything I should be aware of when choosing one? Or should I just
>ignore the nail and leave it in situ with the hope that it is so firmly
>entrenched it will never come out?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

The gooey cord plugs are all the same as far as I know. 
I bought a kit at WalMart with a rat tail rasp, plug inserter, and 3-4 plugs.
Worked great. After the plugs were used up, I went back and bought a pack of 
plugs.
Probably have 5-10 plugs left, haven't needed it in years. 
Hardest part about using it is cleaning the goo off your shears after you cut 
the excess off. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

There are a number of places on the east side of Tampa (lower socio-economic 
area) that sell lots and lots of decent used tires. I might try one of them or 
see if any of them have some cheep tires I can toss on this thing. Because it 
uses such big tires they’re not common nor cheap. 275/55 R17, I think.

-D

> On May 20, 2019, at 5:49 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Go to a local shop, the nationals have some sort of policy where they can't 
> plug tires sometimes if they could present a hazard, some states also won't 
> allow plugs so it presents a liability for them.  I had a trailer tire that 
> Firestone refused to plug, the guy told me to take it down the road to a 
> local shop and they fixed it.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 5/20/19 5:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Noticed the ML had a back tire with a nail in it. Looks like it’s solidly in 
>> place and has been there for a while. Took the tire to my tire guy today, 
>> but despite begging and cajoling he refused to plug it, mainly because he 
>> said it didn’t have enough tread left (it’s probably got about 3/16” of 
>> tread left, maybe a little more.)
>> 
>> I realize this is just a ploy on the part of the tire dealers to sell more 
>> tires, however, as this is a beater vehicle I’m not about to drop any coin 
>> on new tires unless they’re absolutely necessary.
>> 
>> So my question is this:
>> 
>> Are the DIY tire plugging kits a realistic alternative?  Is there anything I 
>> should be aware of when choosing one? Or should I just ignore the nail and 
>> leave it in situ with the hope that it is so firmly entrenched it will never 
>> come out?
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Plugging Tires

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Go to a local shop, the nationals have some sort of policy where they 
can't plug tires sometimes if they could present a hazard, some states 
also won't allow plugs so it presents a liability for them.  I had a 
trailer tire that Firestone refused to plug, the guy told me to take it 
down the road to a local shop and they fixed it.


--FT

On 5/20/19 5:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Noticed the ML had a back tire with a nail in it. Looks like it’s solidly in 
place and has been there for a while. Took the tire to my tire guy today, but 
despite begging and cajoling he refused to plug it, mainly because he said it 
didn’t have enough tread left (it’s probably got about 3/16” of tread left, 
maybe a little more.)

I realize this is just a ploy on the part of the tire dealers to sell more 
tires, however, as this is a beater vehicle I’m not about to drop any coin on 
new tires unless they’re absolutely necessary.

So my question is this:

Are the DIY tire plugging kits a realistic alternative?  Is there anything I 
should be aware of when choosing one? Or should I just ignore the nail and 
leave it in situ with the hope that it is so firmly entrenched it will never 
come out?

-D
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