Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> $1,400 --- right up your alley, Jim.
> https://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/d/clear-creek-2000-dodge-1500/7249877989.html
>  
> 

There you go.  It's a 2500, though.  The diesel and the V10 were only available 
in
the heavier two models.  That looks a bit rough inside, but for a _utility_ 
truck, what
do you want?  Has 4wd and everything.  Small cab, which would be an issue for
some uses, and a boon for others.  (Woods truck.)  That particular truck is 
configured
exactly like the Chevy I let go, and would be of great interest if I didn't 
already have
my dad's old Ford diesel, configured ditto, and the V10, configured as my wife 
prefers.

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Sadly grams is no longer with us, my aunt and uncle have owned the house for 
awhile now but I still think of it has her house.
Its only a 5 mile commute and I was thinking that working from a place with 
running water would be desirable. I haven't checked to see if internet is 
available at the new farmhouse, I couldn't remember the address.
In the heat of the summer the house in town is nice, built in 1850 something it 
changes temperature slowly. Leave the windows open at night and close them 
during the heat of the day. Worst case I could get a window air conditioner.

-Curt

On Sunday, January 10, 2021, 8:46:35 AM EST,  
wrote:  
 
 On 2021-01-10 08:25, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> That poor truck has lived a difficult life.It'd be a perfect farm truck 
> though.
> I've started exploring the idea of living on the farm next summer. I
> can get 100mb internet at my grandmother's house in town so I could
> work from there. Not sure if this is a brilliant idea or if I'm an
> idiot.

There's a low orbit satellite system coming online, aimed at people in 
higher latitudes who CANNOT get high speed internet at any price.
Unless you want the opportunity to spend time with grams, it would 
probably be preferable to commuting to town every day.

https://www.starlink.com/

  
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I don't forsee any travel, or not much travel anyway, for awhile. Worst case 
Bangor is a 3 hour drive. It'll make for lousy flights but whatever.
I was actually thinking about going up for maybe 2 weeks at a time. Being a 
massage therapist Angie can't work from home...
-Curt

On Sunday, January 10, 2021, 8:30:35 AM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 What about when you have to travel? Where will you fly out of?

-D

> On Jan 10, 2021, at 8:25 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That poor truck has lived a difficult life.It'd be a perfect farm truck 
> though.
> I've started exploring the idea of living on the farm next summer. I can get 
> 100mb internet at my grandmother's house in town so I could work from there. 
> Not sure if this is a brilliant idea or if I'm an idiot.
> 
> Curt
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 2:59 AM, Allan Streib via 
>Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:  $1,400 
>--- right up your alley, Jim.
> 
> https://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/d/clear-creek-2000-dodge-1500/7249877989.html
> 
> 
> Jim Cathey via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>>> Considering the great success you've had I went looking and found zero of 
>>> them available here.
>> 
>> Seems to be a shortage here too.  At the time of which I wrote, there were 
>> THREE for sale on CL.
>> Currently, there's one for over 10k, stupid money, and this one:
>> 
>> https://spokane.craigslist.org/pts/d/rainier-dodge-laramie-slt-2500/7246335720.html
>> 
>> Stickshift 2wd V10, rather an odd duck.
>> 
>>> Lots of Ford V10s which apparently nobody wants...
>> 
>> The Ford V10 has less displacement, and thus less torque than the Dodge.  It 
>> also has
>> a balance shaft, which is a detriment to long-term reliability.  The Dodge 
>> V10 was expressly
>> designed to have the same torque spec as the Cummins diesel, for those who 
>> wanted to
>> tow but could not stand owning a diesel.  450 lb-ft.  So far as I know, the 
>> ONLY significant
>> knock against that V10 is its fuel economy.  For an auxiliary utility 
>> vehicle, that's insignificant.
>> 
>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2021-01-10 08:25, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
That poor truck has lived a difficult life.It'd be a perfect farm truck 
though.

I've started exploring the idea of living on the farm next summer. I
can get 100mb internet at my grandmother's house in town so I could
work from there. Not sure if this is a brilliant idea or if I'm an
idiot.


There's a low orbit satellite system coming online, aimed at people in 
higher latitudes who CANNOT get high speed internet at any price.
Unless you want the opportunity to spend time with grams, it would 
probably be preferable to commuting to town every day.


https://www.starlink.com/


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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

What about when you have to travel? Where will you fly out of?

-D

> On Jan 10, 2021, at 8:25 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That poor truck has lived a difficult life.It'd be a perfect farm truck 
> though.
> I've started exploring the idea of living on the farm next summer. I can get 
> 100mb internet at my grandmother's house in town so I could work from there. 
> Not sure if this is a brilliant idea or if I'm an idiot.
> 
> Curt
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 2:59 AM, Allan Streib via 
> Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:   
> $1,400 --- right up your alley, Jim.
> 
> https://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/d/clear-creek-2000-dodge-1500/7249877989.html
> 
> 
> Jim Cathey via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>>> Considering the great success you've had I went looking and found zero of 
>>> them available here.
>> 
>> Seems to be a shortage here too.  At the time of which I wrote, there were 
>> THREE for sale on CL.
>> Currently, there's one for over 10k, stupid money, and this one:
>> 
>> https://spokane.craigslist.org/pts/d/rainier-dodge-laramie-slt-2500/7246335720.html
>> 
>> Stickshift 2wd V10, rather an odd duck.
>> 
>>> Lots of Ford V10s which apparently nobody wants...
>> 
>> The Ford V10 has less displacement, and thus less torque than the Dodge.  It 
>> also has
>> a balance shaft, which is a detriment to long-term reliability.  The Dodge 
>> V10 was expressly
>> designed to have the same torque spec as the Cummins diesel, for those who 
>> wanted to
>> tow but could not stand owning a diesel.  450 lb-ft.  So far as I know, the 
>> ONLY significant
>> knock against that V10 is its fuel economy.  For an auxiliary utility 
>> vehicle, that's insignificant.
>> 
>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

That poor truck has lived a difficult life.It'd be a perfect farm truck though.
I've started exploring the idea of living on the farm next summer. I can get 
100mb internet at my grandmother's house in town so I could work from there. 
Not sure if this is a brilliant idea or if I'm an idiot.

Curt
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 2:59 AM, Allan Streib via 
Mercedes wrote:   $1,400 --- right up your alley, Jim.

https://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/d/clear-creek-2000-dodge-1500/7249877989.html


Jim Cathey via Mercedes  writes:

>> Considering the great success you've had I went looking and found zero of 
>> them available here.
>
> Seems to be a shortage here too.  At the time of which I wrote, there were 
> THREE for sale on CL.
> Currently, there's one for over 10k, stupid money, and this one:
>
> https://spokane.craigslist.org/pts/d/rainier-dodge-laramie-slt-2500/7246335720.html
>
> Stickshift 2wd V10, rather an odd duck.
>
>> Lots of Ford V10s which apparently nobody wants...
>
> The Ford V10 has less displacement, and thus less torque than the Dodge.  It 
> also has
> a balance shaft, which is a detriment to long-term reliability.  The Dodge 
> V10 was expressly
> designed to have the same torque spec as the Cummins diesel, for those who 
> wanted to
> tow but could not stand owning a diesel.  450 lb-ft.  So far as I know, the 
> ONLY significant
> knock against that V10 is its fuel economy.  For an auxiliary utility 
> vehicle, that's insignificant.
>
> -- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

$1,400 --- right up your alley, Jim.

https://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/d/clear-creek-2000-dodge-1500/7249877989.html


Jim Cathey via Mercedes  writes:

>> Considering the great success you've had I went looking and found zero of 
>> them available here.
>
> Seems to be a shortage here too.  At the time of which I wrote, there were 
> THREE for sale on CL.
> Currently, there's one for over 10k, stupid money, and this one:
>
> https://spokane.craigslist.org/pts/d/rainier-dodge-laramie-slt-2500/7246335720.html
>
> Stickshift 2wd V10, rather an odd duck.
>
>> Lots of Ford V10s which apparently nobody wants...
>
> The Ford V10 has less displacement, and thus less torque than the Dodge.  It 
> also has
> a balance shaft, which is a detriment to long-term reliability.  The Dodge 
> V10 was expressly
> designed to have the same torque spec as the Cummins diesel, for those who 
> wanted to
> tow but could not stand owning a diesel.  450 lb-ft.  So far as I know, the 
> ONLY significant
> knock against that V10 is its fuel economy.  For an auxiliary utility 
> vehicle, that's insignificant.
>
> -- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Considering the great success you've had I went looking and found zero of 
> them available here.

Seems to be a shortage here too.  At the time of which I wrote, there were 
THREE for sale on CL.
Currently, there's one for over 10k, stupid money, and this one:

https://spokane.craigslist.org/pts/d/rainier-dodge-laramie-slt-2500/7246335720.html

Stickshift 2wd V10, rather an odd duck.

> Lots of Ford V10s which apparently nobody wants...

The Ford V10 has less displacement, and thus less torque than the Dodge.  It 
also has
a balance shaft, which is a detriment to long-term reliability.  The Dodge V10 
was expressly
designed to have the same torque spec as the Cummins diesel, for those who 
wanted to
tow but could not stand owning a diesel.  450 lb-ft.  So far as I know, the 
ONLY significant
knock against that V10 is its fuel economy.  For an auxiliary utility vehicle, 
that's insignificant.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Maybe at some point but his trademark for the first few seasons was a 2wd 
Toyota. https://www.imcdb.org/v092482.html
Adam had a bunch of more interesting vehicles, the two I remember were a Jag 
and a Toyota FJ40 Land Cruiser.
-Curt

On Saturday, January 9, 2021, 8:00:29 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:

>  It's Jamie's truck from the first few seasons of Mythbusters.

I thought he drove an air-cooled VW type II single-cab pickup?

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

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Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:

>  It's Jamie's truck from the first few seasons of Mythbusters.

I thought he drove an air-cooled VW type II single-cab pickup?

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

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On 2021-01-09 18:24, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Considering the great success you've had I went looking and found zero
of them available here. Lots of Ford V10s which apparently nobody
wants...


I only knew one guy who owned a V-10.
IIRC, it was shortly after they were introduced.
Unfortunately, it was a brand new Class C.

Hey, this thing burns oil like crazy. Fix it.

First we have to find out if it's really using oil.
We'll make sure it's full, and put tamperproof seals on the dipstick and 
drain plug.
Bring it back in 3000 miles and we'll see if consumption is above 
limits.


It's a motorhome, and I just finished my vacation!
Do you expect me to just drive it until it seizes, and get stranded 
somewhere?

And did I mention I'm done driving it for the year anyway?

Only if you want it fixed under warranty. Easier for me if you just 
refuse to comply and lose your warranty.


IIRC, they just loaded it up and took it to the Grand Canyon expecting 
to blow it up along the way (they did, and got stranded where they 
didn't want to be until a new engine was installed).


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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 It's Jamie's truck from the first few seasons of Mythbusters.
Crack price...
-Curt

On Saturday, January 9, 2021, 5:03:06 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On 2021-01-09 16:38, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> Check this one out. Probably didn't cost much more than that new!
> 
> https://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/d/spencer-toyota-pickup/7259452342.html
> 
> Also looks like no A/C but not positive.


It's a stripped basic Japanese truck in 1994 4cyl, stick shift, short 
cab, bought by a guy in his 60s according to the story.
I don't see anything optional in that interior, and I doubt AC was 
standard.

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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Considering the great success you've had I went looking and found zero of them 
available here. Lots of Ford V10s which apparently nobody wants...
-Curt

On Saturday, January 9, 2021, 10:51:38 AM EST, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 > Good point. Last I knew, nobody really wanted Dodge trucks.

I worked with a guy who had an older Chevy 2wd that he used to tow
his boat.  Worked fine, but was puny on hills, and got terrible gas mileage.
Very unsatisfying to drive due to the power deficit.  His truck was old enough
(70's? 80's?) that its desirability was going up.

Recently having gone through the V10 exercise I told him to buy a snowbird
V10 (2wd, auto), one of which was for sale for $2500 IIRC, and sell his truck.
Pocket the cash difference, and be careful not to rip the tongue off of his boat
trailer when using the loud pedal.  Mileage would have been about the same.
Dodge's V10 is a low-tech engine with a very good reliability record.  
Everything
about it is great except the fuel economy.  At least it uses regular gas!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

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On 2021-01-09 16:38, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Check this one out. Probably didn't cost much more than that new!

https://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/d/spencer-toyota-pickup/7259452342.html

Also looks like no A/C but not positive.



It's a stripped basic Japanese truck in 1994 4cyl, stick shift, short 
cab, bought by a guy in his 60s according to the story.
I don't see anything optional in that interior, and I doubt AC was 
standard.


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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

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Check this one out. Probably didn't cost much more than that new!

https://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/d/spencer-toyota-pickup/7259452342.html

Also looks like no A/C but not positive.


Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> You must be psychic.
>
> I started looking at them just the other day as a retirement vehicle. And 
> yes, they’re stupid expensive.
>
> If you’re shopping on price, you’ll want to go for the basic four cylinder, 
> standard cab 2WD model, of which I found very few. Even ones from the early 
> 2000s are bringing big bucks with reasonable mileage. Add the larger cab and 
> 4WD and he price goes up exponentially.
>
> I had forgotten about the Nissan equivalent, which would be just as good for 
> me, so I’m going to start researching those as well.
>
> -D
>
>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:04 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive. The soon to be son-in-law has 
>> decided he would like one. I did some casual looking and it is ridiculous 
>> how expensive they are.
>> so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma? I suppose I 
>> will try to help the boy out.
>> 
>> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

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On 2021-01-09 09:50, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

Mileage would have been about the same.
Dodge's V10 is a low-tech engine with a very good reliability record.
Everything
about it is great except the fuel economy.  At least it uses regular 
gas!




My dad's first new pickup (and the family truck when I turned 16) was a 
1973 F100, 360 2bbl, C6 3sp slushbox. Not much power when you floored it 
and let it run, but pretty grunty down low. IIRC, just gently driving 
around, 55mph speed limits, I got 12mpg in it. Doing farm stuff, 10mpg 
and lower. It would be worth a LOT more than the $600 he sold it for if 
he'd kept it in the garage for the last 40 years instead of selling it, 
but it wouldn't be a truck by modern standards, it would be a toy. He 
replaced it with a used 1976 GMC 2500, 350 4bbl, because some of the 
stuff we did, we really needed 3/4 ton chassis and suspension.



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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

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> Good point. Last I knew, nobody really wanted Dodge trucks.

I worked with a guy who had an older Chevy 2wd that he used to tow
his boat.  Worked fine, but was puny on hills, and got terrible gas mileage.
Very unsatisfying to drive due to the power deficit.  His truck was old enough
(70's? 80's?) that its desirability was going up.

Recently having gone through the V10 exercise I told him to buy a snowbird
V10 (2wd, auto), one of which was for sale for $2500 IIRC, and sell his truck.
Pocket the cash difference, and be careful not to rip the tongue off of his boat
trailer when using the loud pedal.  Mileage would have been about the same.
Dodge's V10 is a low-tech engine with a very good reliability record.  
Everything
about it is great except the fuel economy.  At least it uses regular gas!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

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> A V-10 sells for that, or a V-10 parts truck with a bad transmission sells 
> for that?

:-)

The tranny was in limp-home mode.  Of course it had other little issues too.
I wasn't looking for a daily driver, so my criteria were modestly met.  Turns
out that particular example was not difficult nor expensive to resurrect.
Sufficiently, anyway.  I just drove it yesterday.  Brought home a load of
free firewood in the bed.  Heavy.  Truck never noticed the load.  It really is
the next best thing to my diesel, except quieter and much thirstier.  And,
roughly 1/10 the price.

The point is that if EVERYBODY wants X, if you want X too you will have
to pay for it.  The trick to saving money is to find something suitable that
nobody wants, and buy that.  Ford has made a LOT of F150 trucks, so
the chances of finding a good used truck deal in that marque are maximized.
Toyota has made relatively few Tacomas, of course it'll be hard to find a
really good deal.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

A V-10 sells for that, or a V-10 parts truck with a bad transmission 
sells for that?


On 2021-01-09 08:47, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

Holy crap used Toyota Tacomas are expensive.


A dodge V10 4x4 can be had for what, $1500?  Mine was that.  The 
difference

buys a LOT of gas...


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[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Holy crap used Toyota Tacomas are expensive.

A dodge V10 4x4 can be had for what, $1500?  Mine was that.  The difference
buys a LOT of gas...

-- Jim


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 "Drove him to the farm" and into the oven? ;)Pheasants are my favorite game 
bird, they're delicious...
-Curt

On Friday, January 8, 2021, 5:27:57 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On 2021-01-08 17:14, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> My favorite thing about Mercedes cars at least up through the 124 was
> the rubber mat on the floor of the trunk. Carpeted trunks will get
> dirty and hold odors...

My 1979 S class has a rubber trunk mat.
My 1977 Saab was carpeted. One time in the 1980s, when we still had a 
lot of pheasants in Michigan (but never saw any wild turkeys), a 
cockfight crash landed in the road in front of me. The loser could 
barely stand up, but wasn't bloody, just exhausted. Winner wanted to 
kill him.
I grabbed the loser, threw him in the trunk, and drove him to the farm 
about 4 miles away. SOB crapped on my carpet.

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On 2021-01-08 17:14, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

My favorite thing about Mercedes cars at least up through the 124 was
the rubber mat on the floor of the trunk. Carpeted trunks will get
dirty and hold odors...


My 1979 S class has a rubber trunk mat.
My 1977 Saab was carpeted. One time in the 1980s, when we still had a 
lot of pheasants in Michigan (but never saw any wild turkeys), a 
cockfight crash landed in the road in front of me. The loser could 
barely stand up, but wasn't bloody, just exhausted. Winner wanted to 
kill him.
I grabbed the loser, threw him in the trunk, and drove him to the farm 
about 4 miles away. SOB crapped on my carpet.


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 My favorite thing about Mercedes cars at least up through the 124 was the 
rubber mat on the floor of the trunk. Carpeted trunks will get dirty and hold 
odors...
-Curt

On Friday, January 8, 2021, 4:45:45 PM EST, Clay Monroe via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Sedan as hauler is a good thing.  Best ever in my mind was the /8.  Trunk went 
on for miles and the rear seat bottom and back remove easy.  For a bit more 
room inside, the SDL was almost as roomy as a TD getting seats and bumpers back 
from the PnP.  Got a Silverado driver door hauled 250 miles to my cousin.

clay 

I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.



> On Jan 8, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I might remind you too, that in a few shorts weeks tax refund season is here. 
> That along with some sort of $2k stimulus and perhaps some form of UBI is 
> going to push used car and truck prices into the stratosphere.
> 
> Buy now, if you can.
> 
> 
> Rick
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 The Honda's fatal flaw as a real truck is that its unibody. Overload it at 
your peril.
-Curt

On Friday, January 8, 2021, 3:28:49 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Rick Knoble via Mercedes  writes:

>  Honda Ridgeline

I personally will never own another Honda. Overrated. Fatal transmission
failures on both Hondas that I have owned.

Allan

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[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

I am not pleased with the honda quality either.  Had Acura and honda sedans 
that were buzzy.  Strict need to service engines or they fail.  I was looking 
at the Pilot in 2019.  It was the right size for my needs, but quality, again, 
was just not there.  Pricy and not any better than a 1986 Astro van

---
clay

I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for what I'm 
looking for didn't fall out.




> On Jan 8, 2021, at 11:28 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Rick Knoble via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Honda Ridgeline
> 
> I personally will never own another Honda. Overrated. Fatal transmission
> failures on both Hondas that I have owned.
> 
> Allan
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[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

Sedan as hauler is a good thing.  Best ever in my mind was the /8.  Trunk went 
on for miles and the rear seat bottom and back remove easy.  For a bit more 
room inside, the SDL was almost as roomy as a TD getting seats and bumpers back 
from the PnP.  Got a Silverado driver door hauled 250 miles to my cousin.

clay 

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> On Jan 8, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I might remind you too, that in a few shorts weeks tax refund season is here. 
> That along with some sort of $2k stimulus and perhaps some form of UBI is 
> going to push used car and truck prices into the stratosphere.
> 
> Buy now, if you can.
> 
> 
> Rick
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[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Trucks are one of those vehicles where when you need one, there isn't a
great substitute. Cheap utility trailers don't take much weight, it's an
extra registration to pay for, and most modern cars have limited (or
zero) towing capacity.

Sure you can generally get along without one, and they aren't super
practical as a daily driver, but if you can only have one vehicle and
you sometimes need a truck, you get a truck.

Just one example, where I live I have to take my trash and recycling to
a county dumpster 5 miles away. I'm not going to want a week's worth of
stinky trash bags in my back seat, and hooking up a trailer for that is
kind of a nuisance. So I use the truck for that. And whenever I need to
haul something large, dirty, or heavy--which ends up being at least once
a month or so--it's convenient.

Allan

Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes  writes:

> Yes this is the point I was making. Most people who want a truck don't have
> any pressing indication for one. Figure out what the main use case is. If
> you need 4wd, or to plow snow, or tow a boat, then maybe. But an SUV or van
> is far more practical for most people. There are so many cool little vans
> now. And I haul my plywood, pheasants, rolls of astroturf for the yard,
> dead deer and aluminum bar on a Yakima roof rack on the 300td.
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 11:33 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-01-08 14:23, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> > I agree, the vast majority of pickup trucks are cars with limited
>> > locking storage. Most people would be better off with a little utility
>> > trailer.
>> > OTOH when the woman at the pharmacy the other day told me I was a
>> > planet killer and I should get a Prius I responded with "How many cord
>> > of wood can I get in the back of it?" I suppose "How many pheasants
>> > can I get into it?" would be applicable too.
>>
>>
>> A friend has hauled most of the deer he's killed in the past ten years
>> home in a 2003 Jetta sedan. One of them he shot in Missouri (I assume
>> that one came home in ice chests). He's also filled it with firewood at
>> least once.
>>

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Trucks are just stupid expensive.  Have been for years.

#1 boy is interested in the work truck he is using.  Company has contracted 
with decline in oil patch work, so there are many vehicles taking up space.  He 
uses a ten year old crew cab that was formerly supervisor/manager ride, so it 
is well appointed.  Diesel with big miles.  Not been thrashed, but also not 
getting maintained either.  The ask is over $20k.  Pretty much the same as 
getting a 15-20 year old smaller PU of the nissan or toyota flavor.  US iron is 
pretty thrashed and still expensive from private or used lot.

Clay


inter urinas et faeces nascimur

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 9:43 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Bob says:
> 
>> Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive
> 
> They command a king's ransom, as do most pickup trucks right now. Small 
> trucks are in great demand. So are 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton. Shop, shop, and shop. 
> Expand your search and be ready to pounce at a moment's notice. There are 
> occasional deals, but they disappear VERY quickly. Consider alternative 
> makes, such as Ford Ranger, GMC Canyon, Honda Ridgeline, and Nissan Frontier. 
> Do the due diligence required to understand the potential failure points of 
> each particular make and model and what your tolerance for repairs is.
> 
> Also consider the "work truck" models may be less. Extended cabs, short beds, 
> and car like amenities make the vehicle more desirable to the general public. 
> A "work truck" Tundra would not be as desirable as a four door, so will be 
> priced less. I personally would be looking for one of those, when the time 
> comes, for the 8' bed and the capacity to properly pull a loaded car trailer.
> 
> That said, a relationship with a dealer that will buy a auction for you, 
> would be a plus. I'm not sure there is that big of a discount at auction 
> though.
> 
> Your future son in laws best bet may be to buy new, depending on how old a 
> used truck he is looking at.
> 
> 
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Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:

> A friend has hauled most of the deer he's killed in the past ten years 
> home in a 2003 Jetta sedan. One of them he shot in Missouri (I assume 
> that one came home in ice chests). He's also filled it with firewood at 
> least once.

One of those weird memory snapshots of a moment from my childhood is
when my dad and I took the back seat out of the '66 Rambler he had, and
loaded it up with firewood. I was maybe 8 years old or so? I think we
brought home three loads on a Saturday.

Allan

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Rick Knoble via Mercedes  writes:

>  Honda Ridgeline

I personally will never own another Honda. Overrated. Fatal transmission
failures on both Hondas that I have owned.

Allan

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[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Last Chevy I owned was an early '90s era Blazer (the SUV version of the
S-10). It was a RWD version. Over the years we owned it, it had some
annoying electical gremlins but no major mechanical problems.

Last Ford I owned was an F150 crew cab it was about a 2001 model. Also a
RWD model. Zero issues with it, though a friend had a slightly older
Expedition and he had repeated coil pack failures.

No experience with anything newer than my '04 Frontier, which I bought
with insurance money when the F150 was totaled. It is very true that
trucks depreciate less and prices can be surprisingly high even on older
ones. Toyotas and Nissans hold value better than domestics but these
days I'm not sure they are objectively better vehicles.

I test drove a Ford Ranger when I bought the Nissan, and I would have
probably gone with it except it had a standard cab and the Nissan had
the King cab. At the time my kids were small and they thought the jump
seats were fun. Fast forward 10 years and they weren't so useful but
it's still nice to have that area behind the seats for groceries, etc.

You can save money, weight, and complexity by avoiding 4WD if you don't
need it. I'd say a Ranger would be worth a look.

Allan


Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

> Cheaper, easier to work on, more reliable.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Why? What makes the Chevy better than the Ford, for example?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 2:06 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Colorado/canyon 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Jan 8, 2021, at 12:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 I want a smaller truck and drivetrain, not a full sized model. I don’t 
 care about being able to haul a 4x8 piece of plywood or tow a massive 
 trailer. I’m wondering if any of the other domestic manufacturers have 
 decent small trucks?
 
 -D
 
> On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:50 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Start looking at F150 Fords. If you are looking for used ones, start at 
> about 2011 and look for the 5 litre V8. Avoid the turbos. Avoid the 
> earlier model which had engine issues. If you go newer than 2014 it will 
> have the aluminum body. I think I prefer the steel body. Mine is 2013.
> I would suggest the only advantage to the Toyota is resale value might be 
> higher if you don't keep it until it falls apart.
> 
> RB
> 
>> On 08/01/2021 12:04 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>> Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive. The soon to be son-in-law 
>> has decided he would like one. I did some casual looking and it is 
>> ridiculous how expensive they are.
>> so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma? I suppose 
>> I will try to help the boy out.
>> 
>> Bob R
>> 

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[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yes this is the point I was making. Most people who want a truck don't have
any pressing indication for one. Figure out what the main use case is. If
you need 4wd, or to plow snow, or tow a boat, then maybe. But an SUV or van
is far more practical for most people. There are so many cool little vans
now. And I haul my plywood, pheasants, rolls of astroturf for the yard,
dead deer and aluminum bar on a Yakima roof rack on the 300td.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 11:33 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 2021-01-08 14:23, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > I agree, the vast majority of pickup trucks are cars with limited
> > locking storage. Most people would be better off with a little utility
> > trailer.
> > OTOH when the woman at the pharmacy the other day told me I was a
> > planet killer and I should get a Prius I responded with "How many cord
> > of wood can I get in the back of it?" I suppose "How many pheasants
> > can I get into it?" would be applicable too.
>
>
> A friend has hauled most of the deer he's killed in the past ten years
> home in a 2003 Jetta sedan. One of them he shot in Missouri (I assume
> that one came home in ice chests). He's also filled it with firewood at
> least once.
>
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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Alternately in early-mid summer that money will be all gone and people will 
have loans they can't afford. Barely used vehicles get traded back in and 
resold at a discount. Could be really good for the used vehicle market.
-Curt

On Friday, January 8, 2021, 2:40:34 PM EST, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I might remind you too, that in a few shorts weeks tax refund season is here. 
That along with some sort of $2k stimulus and perhaps some form of UBI is going 
to push used car and truck prices into the stratosphere.

Buy now, if you can.


Rick
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 One of the days I hunted last season I took Angie's Golf. The deer considered 
how upset she would be with me and didn't show up.
Actually a car would be kind of an advantage in the low deck height to lift the 
deer into.There is no way I could get my car in to the place I spent most of my 
hunting time last season. When we had snow the pickup dragged pretty badly 
through it. Last year I went every time it snowed because I was worried that if 
we got 2 storms in a row I wouldn't be able to get in with the truck...
-Curt

On Friday, January 8, 2021, 2:33:00 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On 2021-01-08 14:23, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> I agree, the vast majority of pickup trucks are cars with limited
> locking storage. Most people would be better off with a little utility
> trailer.
> OTOH when the woman at the pharmacy the other day told me I was a
> planet killer and I should get a Prius I responded with "How many cord
> of wood can I get in the back of it?" I suppose "How many pheasants
> can I get into it?" would be applicable too.


A friend has hauled most of the deer he's killed in the past ten years 
home in a 2003 Jetta sedan. One of them he shot in Missouri (I assume 
that one came home in ice chests). He's also filled it with firewood at 
least once.

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I might remind you too, that in a few shorts weeks tax refund season is here. 
That along with some sort of $2k stimulus and perhaps some form of UBI is going 
to push used car and truck prices into the stratosphere.

Buy now, if you can.


Rick
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On 2021-01-08 14:23, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I agree, the vast majority of pickup trucks are cars with limited
locking storage. Most people would be better off with a little utility
trailer.
OTOH when the woman at the pharmacy the other day told me I was a
planet killer and I should get a Prius I responded with "How many cord
of wood can I get in the back of it?" I suppose "How many pheasants
can I get into it?" would be applicable too.



A friend has hauled most of the deer he's killed in the past ten years 
home in a 2003 Jetta sedan. One of them he shot in Missouri (I assume 
that one came home in ice chests). He's also filled it with firewood at 
least once.


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> I think I want a Gulfstream 5. Can anyone help?

I suspect G Mann can


Rick
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 Go out and drive them all, you'll quickly find the ones you like and the ones 
you don't. Theres a surprising difference between each considering the sameness 
of looks.

I don't remember what I didn't like about the Ford, I think it just seemed 
bland to me. I suspect that's why its the most popular truck, theres nothing 
particularly loveable about it but nobody really dislikes it. I was kind of 
bored.
The Nissan Titan I found very exciting and fun to drive. I didn't fit well in 
the Frontier although I could never articulate why, I liked the Xterra fine and 
they were basically the same truck.
I've not driven a current Tundra but I liked the 2006 model we drove other than 
it was way overpriced, like priced the same as the Dodge we bought that was 4 
years newer.
Angie hated the headrests in the Chevy so that one was out. The seats are 
probably different now.

-Curt

On Friday, January 8, 2021, 2:19:53 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I think the Rangers might be a good choice, but I‘ll look at the Chevy 
equivalent, too. I’m more comfortable with Ford products over the years, so 
given the choice I would lean in that direction.

I’m going to spend some time this weekend doing more in-depth research.

-D

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 2:13 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2021-01-08 14:07, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> Have you looked at a Ford Courier?
>> Oh, I forgot, you're a tall dude...
> 
> Specifically, I was talking about trucks from 1972-1982 wearing that name.
> I totally forgot about these, I wonder what one as pictured would go for on 
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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I agree, the vast majority of pickup trucks are cars with limited locking 
storage. Most people would be better off with a little utility trailer.
OTOH when the woman at the pharmacy the other day told me I was a planet killer 
and I should get a Prius I responded with "How many cord of wood can I get in 
the back of it?" I suppose "How many pheasants can I get into it?" would be 
applicable too. Although its the access to the woods thats more important to me.
Our Dodge got its limits pushed this year, especially when hunting buddy Zach 
took his Colorado in the snow and got stuck. To be fair the Colorado would 
probably have done fine if it didn't have baloney skin tires. With its 
aggressive tires, limited slip rear end and my willingness to stand on the loud 
pedal the Dodge and I got him out.
-Curt

On Friday, January 8, 2021, 2:08:58 PM EST, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 If wishes were horses, beggars would ride. "Thinks he wants" sounds like a
great candidate for a Ford LTD or Toyota corolla with 5 speed. Why would
anyone getting married buy a truck unless they can write it off for
business purposes? Inefficient, impractical, expensive. Maybe one of those
little utility Vans if he needs a work truck. I say this having driven
pickups for about the first 15 years of my licensure.

I think I want a Gulfstream 5. Can anyone help?

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 10:44 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Bob says:
>
> >Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive
>
> They command a king's ransom, as do most pickup trucks right now. Small
> trucks are in great demand. So are 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton. Shop, shop, and
> shop. Expand your search and be ready to pounce at a moment's notice. There
> are occasional deals, but they disappear VERY quickly. Consider alternative
> makes, such as Ford Ranger, GMC Canyon, Honda Ridgeline, and Nissan
> Frontier. Do the due diligence required to understand the potential failure
> points of each particular make and model and what your tolerance for
> repairs is.
>
> Also consider the "work truck" models may be less. Extended cabs, short
> beds, and car like amenities make the vehicle more desirable to the general
> public. A "work truck" Tundra would not be as desirable as a four door, so
> will be priced less. I personally would be looking for one of those, when
> the time comes, for the 8' bed and the capacity to properly pull a loaded
> car trailer.
>
> That said, a relationship with a dealer that will buy a auction for you,
> would be a plus. I'm not sure there is that big of a discount at auction
> though.
>
> Your future son in laws best bet may be to buy new, depending on how old a
> used truck he is looking at.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2021-01-08 14:12, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:


I find the Tacoma very uncomfortable to ride in and hugely overpriced.
With a Dodge/Ford/Chevy/Nissan full size you get way more truck for
nearly the same price.


My Tacoma loving neighbor 'had to' replace his ultra low mile Taco a 
couple of years ago when the transmission failed (because a new Tundra 
is cheaper than a Taco transmission???) and found out he couldn't fit 
himself into the driver's seat of a 2018 Taco, so now he owns a Tundra. 
I saw it on the road for the first time yesterday, I don't know how he 
killed the transmission in the Taco when he seemingly never drives his 
trucks.


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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I think the Rangers might be a good choice, but I‘ll look at the Chevy 
equivalent, too. I’m more comfortable with Ford products over the years, so 
given the choice I would lean in that direction.

I’m going to spend some time this weekend doing more in-depth research.

-D

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 2:13 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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> 
> On 2021-01-08 14:07, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> Have you looked at a Ford Courier?
>> Oh, I forgot, you're a tall dude...
> 
> Specifically, I was talking about trucks from 1972-1982 wearing that name.
> I totally forgot about these, I wonder what one as pictured would go for on 
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Do you have the new-type Ranger or the older 2011 and earlier?
We had a 2003 Ranger that was a really good woods truck. I remember once coming 
out of camp dragging the trailer hitch to the point it looked like we were 
leaving 3 wheel ruts. Another time I hauled firewood loaded to the roofline, I 
can't believe I didn't break a spring that time.
It was a terrible highway truck, bouncy and unpleasant for long highway trips. 
Fuel economy was lackluster, it struggled to reach 19mpg.
Worst rusting truck I've ever had...
-Curt

On Friday, January 8, 2021, 1:56:51 PM EST, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I have liked my Ranger and would buy another.


Rick

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From my initial research, which is barely conclusive, the Ford Ranger appears 
to be a decent choice. I’m not sold on the Toyota or Nissan, they were just my 
starting point.

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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Oh, I'd forgotten, the Tacoma has a plastic (they call it composite) bed...
-Curt

On Friday, January 8, 2021, 1:50:52 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Start looking at F150 Fords. If you are looking for used ones, start at 
about 2011 and look for the 5 litre V8. Avoid the turbos. Avoid the 
earlier model which had engine issues. If you go newer than 2014 it will 
have the aluminum body. I think I prefer the steel body. Mine is 2013.
I would suggest the only advantage to the Toyota is resale value might 
be higher if you don't keep it until it falls apart.

RB

On 08/01/2021 12:04 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive. The soon to be son-in-law has 
> decided he would like one. I did some casual looking and it is ridiculous how 
> expensive they are.
> so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma? I suppose I 
> will try to help the boy out.
>
> Bob R
>


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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Toyotas are made from gold. I'm half tempted to get a Tundra to replace my 
aging Dodge and plan on buying a new one every 5 years when I sell the old one 
for 80% of its purchase price...
When we bought our Dodge I test drove a couple Tacomas, my one piece of advice 
is that if he wants a manual transmission avoid the 6spd which is the worst 
manual transmission I've ever driven. It was like driving a 1950s vintage 5 ton 
truck. Huge shift throws, mushy shifter feeling.
I find the Tacoma very uncomfortable to ride in and hugely overpriced. With a 
Dodge/Ford/Chevy/Nissan full size you get way more truck for nearly the same 
price.
-Curt

On Friday, January 8, 2021, 1:05:11 PM EST, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive. The soon to be son-in-law has 
decided he would like one. I did some casual looking and it is ridiculous how 
expensive they are.
so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma? I suppose I will 
try to help the boy out.

Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Go and look at them first. When we were shopping for a pickup, we wanted
low cost, only one row of seats, and space behind the seat. The Dodge and
Chevys had NO space behind the seat, the Ford has lots. I carry tie downs
ratchet straps, tools, oil, etc. back there.
Make a list of priorities, then go shopping to see what meets the most of
them.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:08 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> On 2021-01-08 13:55, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > I want a smaller truck and drivetrain, not a full sized model. I don’t
> > care about being able to haul a 4x8 piece of plywood or tow a massive
> > trailer. I’m wondering if any of the other domestic manufacturers have
> > decent small trucks?
>
> Have you looked at a Ford Courier?
> Oh, I forgot, you're a tall dude...
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Cheaper, easier to work on, more reliable.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Why? What makes the Chevy better than the Ford, for example?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 2:06 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Colorado/canyon 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jan 8, 2021, at 12:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I want a smaller truck and drivetrain, not a full sized model. I don’t 
>>> care about being able to haul a 4x8 piece of plywood or tow a massive 
>>> trailer. I’m wondering if any of the other domestic manufacturers have 
>>> decent small trucks?
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:50 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Start looking at F150 Fords. If you are looking for used ones, start at 
 about 2011 and look for the 5 litre V8. Avoid the turbos. Avoid the 
 earlier model which had engine issues. If you go newer than 2014 it will 
 have the aluminum body. I think I prefer the steel body. Mine is 2013.
 I would suggest the only advantage to the Toyota is resale value might be 
 higher if you don't keep it until it falls apart.
 
 RB
 
> On 08/01/2021 12:04 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive. The soon to be son-in-law 
> has decided he would like one. I did some casual looking and it is 
> ridiculous how expensive they are.
> so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma? I suppose 
> I will try to help the boy out.
> 
> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Stripped down Mercedes Metris?

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 11:08 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 2021-01-08 13:55, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > I want a smaller truck and drivetrain, not a full sized model. I don’t
> > care about being able to haul a 4x8 piece of plywood or tow a massive
> > trailer. I’m wondering if any of the other domestic manufacturers have
> > decent small trucks?
>
> Have you looked at a Ford Courier?
> Oh, I forgot, you're a tall dude...
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

If wishes were horses, beggars would ride. "Thinks he wants" sounds like a
great candidate for a Ford LTD or Toyota corolla with 5 speed. Why would
anyone getting married buy a truck unless they can write it off for
business purposes? Inefficient, impractical, expensive. Maybe one of those
little utility Vans if he needs a work truck. I say this having driven
pickups for about the first 15 years of my licensure.

I think I want a Gulfstream 5. Can anyone help?

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 10:44 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Bob says:
>
> >Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive
>
> They command a king's ransom, as do most pickup trucks right now. Small
> trucks are in great demand. So are 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton. Shop, shop, and
> shop. Expand your search and be ready to pounce at a moment's notice. There
> are occasional deals, but they disappear VERY quickly. Consider alternative
> makes, such as Ford Ranger, GMC Canyon, Honda Ridgeline, and Nissan
> Frontier. Do the due diligence required to understand the potential failure
> points of each particular make and model and what your tolerance for
> repairs is.
>
> Also consider the "work truck" models may be less. Extended cabs, short
> beds, and car like amenities make the vehicle more desirable to the general
> public. A "work truck" Tundra would not be as desirable as a four door, so
> will be priced less. I personally would be looking for one of those, when
> the time comes, for the 8' bed and the capacity to properly pull a loaded
> car trailer.
>
> That said, a relationship with a dealer that will buy a auction for you,
> would be a plus. I'm not sure there is that big of a discount at auction
> though.
>
> Your future son in laws best bet may be to buy new, depending on how old a
> used truck he is looking at.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2021-01-08 13:55, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I want a smaller truck and drivetrain, not a full sized model. I don’t
care about being able to haul a 4x8 piece of plywood or tow a massive
trailer. I’m wondering if any of the other domestic manufacturers have
decent small trucks?


Have you looked at a Ford Courier?
Oh, I forgot, you're a tall dude...

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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Why? What makes the Chevy better than the Ford, for example?

-D

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 2:06 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Colorado/canyon 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 12:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I want a smaller truck and drivetrain, not a full sized model. I don’t care 
>> about being able to haul a 4x8 piece of plywood or tow a massive trailer. 
>> I’m wondering if any of the other domestic manufacturers have decent small 
>> trucks?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:50 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Start looking at F150 Fords. If you are looking for used ones, start at 
>>> about 2011 and look for the 5 litre V8. Avoid the turbos. Avoid the earlier 
>>> model which had engine issues. If you go newer than 2014 it will have the 
>>> aluminum body. I think I prefer the steel body. Mine is 2013.
>>> I would suggest the only advantage to the Toyota is resale value might be 
>>> higher if you don't keep it until it falls apart.
>>> 
>>> RB
>>> 
 On 08/01/2021 12:04 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
 Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive. The soon to be son-in-law 
 has decided he would like one. I did some casual looking and it is 
 ridiculous how expensive they are.
 so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma? I suppose I 
 will try to help the boy out.
 
 Bob R
 
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Colorado/canyon 

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> On Jan 8, 2021, at 12:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I want a smaller truck and drivetrain, not a full sized model. I don’t care 
> about being able to haul a 4x8 piece of plywood or tow a massive trailer. I’m 
> wondering if any of the other domestic manufacturers have decent small trucks?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:50 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Start looking at F150 Fords. If you are looking for used ones, start at 
>> about 2011 and look for the 5 litre V8. Avoid the turbos. Avoid the earlier 
>> model which had engine issues. If you go newer than 2014 it will have the 
>> aluminum body. I think I prefer the steel body. Mine is 2013.
>> I would suggest the only advantage to the Toyota is resale value might be 
>> higher if you don't keep it until it falls apart.
>> 
>> RB
>> 
>>> On 08/01/2021 12:04 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive. The soon to be son-in-law has 
>>> decided he would like one. I did some casual looking and it is ridiculous 
>>> how expensive they are.
>>> so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma? I suppose I 
>>> will try to help the boy out.
>>> 
>>> Bob R
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

I have liked my Ranger and would buy another.


Rick

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From my initial research, which is barely conclusive, the Ford Ranger appears 
to be a decent choice. I’m not sold on the Toyota or Nissan, they were just my 
starting point.

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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I want a smaller truck and drivetrain, not a full sized model. I don’t care 
about being able to haul a 4x8 piece of plywood or tow a massive trailer. I’m 
wondering if any of the other domestic manufacturers have decent small trucks?

-D

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:50 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Start looking at F150 Fords. If you are looking for used ones, start at about 
> 2011 and look for the 5 litre V8. Avoid the turbos. Avoid the earlier model 
> which had engine issues. If you go newer than 2014 it will have the aluminum 
> body. I think I prefer the steel body. Mine is 2013.
> I would suggest the only advantage to the Toyota is resale value might be 
> higher if you don't keep it until it falls apart.
> 
> RB
> 
> On 08/01/2021 12:04 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>> Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive. The soon to be son-in-law has 
>> decided he would like one. I did some casual looking and it is ridiculous 
>> how expensive they are.
>> so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma? I suppose I 
>> will try to help the boy out.
>> 
>> Bob R
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

From my initial research, which is barely conclusive, the Ford Ranger appears 
to be a decent choice. I’m not sold on the Toyota or Nissan, they were just my 
starting point.

-D

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:47 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Seriously people? Why would you buy nasty Toyotas? The Toyota pick up truck 
> is the preferred vehicle of terrorists in the Middle East and Gypsies in 
> Western Europe. Such disgusting associations.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:44 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Bob says:
>> 
>>> Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive
>> 
>> They command a king's ransom, as do most pickup trucks right now. Small 
>> trucks are in great demand. So are 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton. Shop, shop, and 
>> shop. Expand your search and be ready to pounce at a moment's notice. There 
>> are occasional deals, but they disappear VERY quickly. Consider alternative 
>> makes, such as Ford Ranger, GMC Canyon, Honda Ridgeline, and Nissan 
>> Frontier. Do the due diligence required to understand the potential failure 
>> points of each particular make and model and what your tolerance for repairs 
>> is.
>> 
>> Also consider the "work truck" models may be less. Extended cabs, short 
>> beds, and car like amenities make the vehicle more desirable to the general 
>> public. A "work truck" Tundra would not be as desirable as a four door, so 
>> will be priced less. I personally would be looking for one of those, when 
>> the time comes, for the 8' bed and the capacity to properly pull a loaded 
>> car trailer.
>> 
>> That said, a relationship with a dealer that will buy a auction for you, 
>> would be a plus. I'm not sure there is that big of a discount at auction 
>> though.
>> 
>> Your future son in laws best bet may be to buy new, depending on how old a 
>> used truck he is looking at.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Start looking at F150 Fords. If you are looking for used ones, start at 
about 2011 and look for the 5 litre V8. Avoid the turbos. Avoid the 
earlier model which had engine issues. If you go newer than 2014 it will 
have the aluminum body. I think I prefer the steel body. Mine is 2013.
I would suggest the only advantage to the Toyota is resale value might 
be higher if you don't keep it until it falls apart.


RB

On 08/01/2021 12:04 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive. The soon to be son-in-law has 
decided he would like one. I did some casual looking and it is ridiculous how 
expensive they are.
so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma? I suppose I will 
try to help the boy out.

Bob R




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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Seriously people? Why would you buy nasty Toyotas? The Toyota pick up truck is 
the preferred vehicle of terrorists in the Middle East and Gypsies in Western 
Europe. Such disgusting associations.

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> On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:44 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Bob says:
> 
>> Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive
> 
> They command a king's ransom, as do most pickup trucks right now. Small 
> trucks are in great demand. So are 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton. Shop, shop, and shop. 
> Expand your search and be ready to pounce at a moment's notice. There are 
> occasional deals, but they disappear VERY quickly. Consider alternative 
> makes, such as Ford Ranger, GMC Canyon, Honda Ridgeline, and Nissan Frontier. 
> Do the due diligence required to understand the potential failure points of 
> each particular make and model and what your tolerance for repairs is.
> 
> Also consider the "work truck" models may be less. Extended cabs, short beds, 
> and car like amenities make the vehicle more desirable to the general public. 
> A "work truck" Tundra would not be as desirable as a four door, so will be 
> priced less. I personally would be looking for one of those, when the time 
> comes, for the 8' bed and the capacity to properly pull a loaded car trailer.
> 
> That said, a relationship with a dealer that will buy a auction for you, 
> would be a plus. I'm not sure there is that big of a discount at auction 
> though.
> 
> Your future son in laws best bet may be to buy new, depending on how old a 
> used truck he is looking at.
> 
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Bob says:

>Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive

They command a king's ransom, as do most pickup trucks right now. Small trucks 
are in great demand. So are 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton. Shop, shop, and shop. Expand 
your search and be ready to pounce at a moment's notice. There are occasional 
deals, but they disappear VERY quickly. Consider alternative makes, such as 
Ford Ranger, GMC Canyon, Honda Ridgeline, and Nissan Frontier. Do the due 
diligence required to understand the potential failure points of each 
particular make and model and what your tolerance for repairs is.

Also consider the "work truck" models may be less. Extended cabs, short beds, 
and car like amenities make the vehicle more desirable to the general public. A 
"work truck" Tundra would not be as desirable as a four door, so will be priced 
less. I personally would be looking for one of those, when the time comes, for 
the 8' bed and the capacity to properly pull a loaded car trailer.

That said, a relationship with a dealer that will buy a auction for you, would 
be a plus. I'm not sure there is that big of a discount at auction though.

Your future son in laws best bet may be to buy new, depending on how old a used 
truck he is looking at.


Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Why?

I will say that the Nissan Frontier is just as pricey. For grins I looked at 
Ford Rangers and saw a few that were pretty decent for reasonable money.

-D

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:40 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Buy a Chevy. 
> 
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>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 12:05 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive. The soon to be son-in-law has 
>> decided he would like one. I did some casual looking and it is ridiculous 
>> how expensive they are.
>> so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma? I suppose I 
>> will try to help the boy out.
>> 
>> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes

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> On Jan 8, 2021, at 12:10 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2021-01-08 13:04, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>> so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma?
> 
> The cheaper more fuel efficient ones say COLORADO on the tailgate.
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Buy a Chevy. 

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> On Jan 8, 2021, at 12:05 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive. The soon to be son-in-law has 
> decided he would like one. I did some casual looking and it is ridiculous how 
> expensive they are.
> so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma? I suppose I 
> will try to help the boy out.
> 
> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

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On 2021-01-08 13:04, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:


so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma?


The cheaper more fuel efficient ones say COLORADO on the tailgate.

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Re: [MBZ] Soon to be Son-in-Law Thinks He Wants a Tacoma

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

You must be psychic.

I started looking at them just the other day as a retirement vehicle. And yes, 
they’re stupid expensive.

If you’re shopping on price, you’ll want to go for the basic four cylinder, 
standard cab 2WD model, of which I found very few. Even ones from the early 
2000s are bringing big bucks with reasonable mileage. Add the larger cab and 
4WD and he price goes up exponentially.

I had forgotten about the Nissan equivalent, which would be just as good for 
me, so I’m going to start researching those as well.

-D

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:04 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Holy crap used Toyota Tacoma‘s are expensive. The soon to be son-in-law has 
> decided he would like one. I did some casual looking and it is ridiculous how 
> expensive they are.
> so do you any of you have any advice on shopping for a Tacoma? I suppose I 
> will try to help the boy out.
> 
> Bob R
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