Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
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Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
Don't forget about those injection line clips, or broken lines may be in your future (and get the rubber bumpers that do underneath them while you're making the order). Also, if you didn't replace the intake manifold gaskets, it may not seal and will leak out black sooty oily ooze. -Max From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 9:42:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga I put 6 new Beru GPs in the 300D today. Thanks Rusty! They came in right on schedule. On time, in the Christmas rush! About 2 1/2-3 hours to do the job, start to finish. The 4 center GPs were burned out. Front and rear, I had replaced maybe 3 years ago. The #3 plug, behind the pump, was a mismatch, a beru, so I am guessing it was the original, or maybe the first replacement. The point is, a 124 with good suspension is amazing. After I was done, I took it out for a little run, and it feels rock solid. I too, did not replace the inner bushing on the LCAs in the back or front. But even so, it really is nice to drive. BTW, I did the intake manifold R&R to change the GPs. I managed to get it out without disturbing the injection lines. Next job is to get more new clips for the Injection lines. >To finish the story, yesterday I had four new shoes put on the wagon >(Bridgestone Potenza's from TireBuyer, previously discussed) and a four >wheel alignment at one of my favorite local businesses, Gerald's Tires and >Brakes. Following someone's example on this list, I provided a copy of the >MB alignment specifications to the shop and asked that they try to follow >them. > >They did, and the car handles superbly now. The best news is that the rear >axle negative camber is within factory specs! The technician did offer that >the front lower control arm inner bushings are pretty far gone, and he >couldn't hit the factory spec exactly but got it pretty close. So, next >major suspension work on that car will be front inner bushings, which will >probably be done by my Indie, as I don't want to pay for the special tool >for that one. > >-Max > >-Original Message- >From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] >On Behalf Of Dieselhead >Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 11:49 PM >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga > >I have pondered this phenomenon, but have no direct answer. My >suspicion is that maybe somehow the spring link (LCA) stretches under >high mileage. Perhaps the link mountings distort, but nothing is >obvious. > >With this phenomenon, I have not suspected springs as the springs and >rubber seats appear ok, and the height seems ok. I have NOT measured >the height. > >Perhaps a really good frame straightening shop can help. They should >have all the measurements etc. > >A friend has a 00 volvo that has been crabbing really bad, and >pulling to the left. many alignment and "vovlo only" shops could not >fix it or find a problem. I suggested he find a frame straightening >shop. He took it in and they immediately found the problem and fixed >it. He is very happy now. > >I CAN tell you that you are not alone. > > > >>OK 124 (and 201) experts, here's my puzzle. After replacing the four links >>and also the bushings at each end of the spring link, I STILL have negative >>camber on my 124 wagon. It is better, but it's still there. :( >> >>So, I've thought of a couple of causes and options. >> >>1) Eccentric bolt and elongated holes at the inner end of either the spring >>link or the camber link, and adjust the camber directly. There is a note >in >>the Tech. Modification notes of the service manual that the very early 124 >>cars had such an adjustment, but it was eliminated. >> >>2) Rear springs are worn out; Replace em! >> >>3) Rear spring pads are worn out; Replace em! >> >>How can I measure the ride height to determine if the negative camber is >due >>to decreased ride height? >> >>-Max (feeling a little negative) >> >> >>___ >>http://www.okiebenz.com >>For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >>To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/ar
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
Yes, everything has gone well so far with the TireBuyer purchase. I wish I'd gotten the better price at Tire Rack, but I could not wait until late January for tires (that is the time frame the Tire Rack salesman stated when I called about those tires). -Max From: Mitch Haley To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 8:20:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga Max Dillon wrote: > To finish the story, yesterday I had four new shoes put on the wagon > (Bridgestone Potenza's from TireBuyer, previously discussed) and a four > wheel alignment at one of my favorite local businesses, Gerald's Tires and > Brakes. Following someone's example on this list, I provided a copy of the > MB alignment specifications to the shop and asked that they try to follow > them. You got the stock size Potenza Pole Positions that Tire Rack had backordered to Christmas? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
I put 6 new Beru GPs in the 300D today. Thanks Rusty! They came in right on schedule. On time, in the Christmas rush! About 2 1/2-3 hours to do the job, start to finish. The 4 center GPs were burned out. Front and rear, I had replaced maybe 3 years ago. The #3 plug, behind the pump, was a mismatch, a beru, so I am guessing it was the original, or maybe the first replacement. The point is, a 124 with good suspension is amazing. After I was done, I took it out for a little run, and it feels rock solid. I too, did not replace the inner bushing on the LCAs in the back or front. But even so, it really is nice to drive. BTW, I did the intake manifold R&R to change the GPs. I managed to get it out without disturbing the injection lines. Next job is to get more new clips for the Injection lines. To finish the story, yesterday I had four new shoes put on the wagon (Bridgestone Potenza's from TireBuyer, previously discussed) and a four wheel alignment at one of my favorite local businesses, Gerald's Tires and Brakes. Following someone's example on this list, I provided a copy of the MB alignment specifications to the shop and asked that they try to follow them. They did, and the car handles superbly now. The best news is that the rear axle negative camber is within factory specs! The technician did offer that the front lower control arm inner bushings are pretty far gone, and he couldn't hit the factory spec exactly but got it pretty close. So, next major suspension work on that car will be front inner bushings, which will probably be done by my Indie, as I don't want to pay for the special tool for that one. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 11:49 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga I have pondered this phenomenon, but have no direct answer. My suspicion is that maybe somehow the spring link (LCA) stretches under high mileage. Perhaps the link mountings distort, but nothing is obvious. With this phenomenon, I have not suspected springs as the springs and rubber seats appear ok, and the height seems ok. I have NOT measured the height. Perhaps a really good frame straightening shop can help. They should have all the measurements etc. A friend has a 00 volvo that has been crabbing really bad, and pulling to the left. many alignment and "vovlo only" shops could not fix it or find a problem. I suggested he find a frame straightening shop. He took it in and they immediately found the problem and fixed it. He is very happy now. I CAN tell you that you are not alone. OK 124 (and 201) experts, here's my puzzle. After replacing the four links and also the bushings at each end of the spring link, I STILL have negative camber on my 124 wagon. It is better, but it's still there. :( So, I've thought of a couple of causes and options. 1) Eccentric bolt and elongated holes at the inner end of either the spring link or the camber link, and adjust the camber directly. There is a note in the Tech. Modification notes of the service manual that the very early 124 cars had such an adjustment, but it was eliminated. 2) Rear springs are worn out; Replace em! 3) Rear spring pads are worn out; Replace em! How can I measure the ride height to determine if the negative camber is due to decreased ride height? -Max (feeling a little negative) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
Max Dillon wrote: To finish the story, yesterday I had four new shoes put on the wagon (Bridgestone Potenza's from TireBuyer, previously discussed) and a four wheel alignment at one of my favorite local businesses, Gerald's Tires and Brakes. Following someone's example on this list, I provided a copy of the MB alignment specifications to the shop and asked that they try to follow them. You got the stock size Potenza Pole Positions that Tire Rack had backordered to Christmas? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
To finish the story, yesterday I had four new shoes put on the wagon (Bridgestone Potenza's from TireBuyer, previously discussed) and a four wheel alignment at one of my favorite local businesses, Gerald's Tires and Brakes. Following someone's example on this list, I provided a copy of the MB alignment specifications to the shop and asked that they try to follow them. They did, and the car handles superbly now. The best news is that the rear axle negative camber is within factory specs! The technician did offer that the front lower control arm inner bushings are pretty far gone, and he couldn't hit the factory spec exactly but got it pretty close. So, next major suspension work on that car will be front inner bushings, which will probably be done by my Indie, as I don't want to pay for the special tool for that one. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 11:49 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga I have pondered this phenomenon, but have no direct answer. My suspicion is that maybe somehow the spring link (LCA) stretches under high mileage. Perhaps the link mountings distort, but nothing is obvious. With this phenomenon, I have not suspected springs as the springs and rubber seats appear ok, and the height seems ok. I have NOT measured the height. Perhaps a really good frame straightening shop can help. They should have all the measurements etc. A friend has a 00 volvo that has been crabbing really bad, and pulling to the left. many alignment and "vovlo only" shops could not fix it or find a problem. I suggested he find a frame straightening shop. He took it in and they immediately found the problem and fixed it. He is very happy now. I CAN tell you that you are not alone. >OK 124 (and 201) experts, here's my puzzle. After replacing the four links >and also the bushings at each end of the spring link, I STILL have negative >camber on my 124 wagon. It is better, but it's still there. :( > >So, I've thought of a couple of causes and options. > >1) Eccentric bolt and elongated holes at the inner end of either the spring >link or the camber link, and adjust the camber directly. There is a note in >the Tech. Modification notes of the service manual that the very early 124 >cars had such an adjustment, but it was eliminated. > >2) Rear springs are worn out; Replace em! > >3) Rear spring pads are worn out; Replace em! > >How can I measure the ride height to determine if the negative camber is due >to decreased ride height? > >-Max (feeling a little negative) > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
Spring pads are a possibility, but are you sure the base pressure valve inside the levelling valve is working? What happens when you open the bleed screw? The car should fall. If it does not, the base pressure valve component is leaking and needs rebuilding. >> OK 124 (and 201) experts, here's my puzzle. After replacing the four links >> and also the bushings at each end of the spring link, I STILL have negative >> camber on my 124 wagon. It is better, but it's still there. :( >> >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
Yes, I forgot to order new spring pads. I may decide to replace those, fortunately now I know that getting out the springs is not a big deal at all. And yes, according to the technical data book, negative camber is normal, so maybe I'm making a fuss over nothing! Will ask tire shop to measure and report the camber. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 11:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga I would have replaced the spring pads when I did the links (as I plan to do on mine) -- if the rubber in the links is bad, the rubber in the pads is also bad. I know this was a problem with someone else's car a few years back but I don't know what the solution was. There is some negative camber that is normal, just like a BMW, the rear wheels are not supposed to stand straight up and normal ride height. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
What!!?! An MB suspension that doesn't hold up for a million miles? Heresy!!! Burn him! Burn him! Actually, I was thinking the same - stretching or deforming somewhere - but that is a terrible thought. Taking the car in for new tires and alignment today, I'll ask the shop but they're tire/brake folks. Maybe I should call the local MB wizard shop to see what they think (they do a lot of body work). -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 11:49 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga I have pondered this phenomenon, but have no direct answer. My suspicion is that maybe somehow the spring link (LCA) stretches under high mileage. Perhaps the link mountings distort, but nothing is obvious. With this phenomenon, I have not suspected springs as the springs and rubber seats appear ok, and the height seems ok. I have NOT measured the height. Perhaps a really good frame straightening shop can help. They should have all the measurements etc. A friend has a 00 volvo that has been crabbing really bad, and pulling to the left. many alignment and "vovlo only" shops could not fix it or find a problem. I suggested he find a frame straightening shop. He took it in and they immediately found the problem and fixed it. He is very happy now. I CAN tell you that you are not alone. >OK 124 (and 201) experts, here's my puzzle. After replacing the four links >and also the bushings at each end of the spring link, I STILL have negative >camber on my 124 wagon. It is better, but it's still there. :( > >So, I've thought of a couple of causes and options. > >1) Eccentric bolt and elongated holes at the inner end of either the spring >link or the camber link, and adjust the camber directly. There is a note in >the Tech. Modification notes of the service manual that the very early 124 >cars had such an adjustment, but it was eliminated. > >2) Rear springs are worn out; Replace em! > >3) Rear spring pads are worn out; Replace em! > >How can I measure the ride height to determine if the negative camber is due >to decreased ride height? > >-Max (feeling a little negative) > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
That's a great thought Ed - someone did exactly that (David Bruckman?) for the 123 wagons, I need a similar savior for my 124 wagon... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 11:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga Maybe someone on the list has a similar car, that they know for sure the suspension is setup right. If so, maybe they can take a measurement of a fixed point on the underside, to give you a baseline of what your car's ride height should be? Just a thought I'm throwing out there. I'm sitting on the side lines, reading and taking all this in and learning what I can. I figure soon or later, I'll need to do all this too if I keep the car long enough. Ed 300E On 19 December 2010 23:01, Max Dillon wrote: > OK 124 (and 201) experts, here's my puzzle. After replacing the four links > and also the bushings at each end of the spring link, I STILL have negative > camber on my 124 wagon. It is better, but it's still there. :( > > So, I've thought of a couple of causes and options. > > 1) Eccentric bolt and elongated holes at the inner end of either the spring > link or the camber link, and adjust the camber directly. There is a note > in > the Tech. Modification notes of the service manual that the very early 124 > cars had such an adjustment, but it was eliminated. > > 2) Rear springs are worn out; Replace em! > > 3) Rear spring pads are worn out; Replace em! > > How can I measure the ride height to determine if the negative camber is > due > to decreased ride height? > > -Max (feeling a little negative) > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
I have pondered this phenomenon, but have no direct answer. My suspicion is that maybe somehow the spring link (LCA) stretches under high mileage. Perhaps the link mountings distort, but nothing is obvious. With this phenomenon, I have not suspected springs as the springs and rubber seats appear ok, and the height seems ok. I have NOT measured the height. Perhaps a really good frame straightening shop can help. They should have all the measurements etc. A friend has a 00 volvo that has been crabbing really bad, and pulling to the left. many alignment and "vovlo only" shops could not fix it or find a problem. I suggested he find a frame straightening shop. He took it in and they immediately found the problem and fixed it. He is very happy now. I CAN tell you that you are not alone. OK 124 (and 201) experts, here's my puzzle. After replacing the four links and also the bushings at each end of the spring link, I STILL have negative camber on my 124 wagon. It is better, but it's still there. :( So, I've thought of a couple of causes and options. 1) Eccentric bolt and elongated holes at the inner end of either the spring link or the camber link, and adjust the camber directly. There is a note in the Tech. Modification notes of the service manual that the very early 124 cars had such an adjustment, but it was eliminated. 2) Rear springs are worn out; Replace em! 3) Rear spring pads are worn out; Replace em! How can I measure the ride height to determine if the negative camber is due to decreased ride height? -Max (feeling a little negative) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
On the upside, while excessive negative camber won't be doing the wear rate on the inside of your rear tires any good, it will improve your contact patch in the twisties, and allow you to corner like a hooligan. ;-) hee hee Ed 300E On 19 December 2010 23:11, Peter Frederick wrote: > I would have replaced the spring pads when I did the links (as I plan to do > on mine) -- if the rubber in the links is bad, the rubber in the pads is > also bad. > > I know this was a problem with someone else's car a few years back but I > don't know what the solution was. > > There is some negative camber that is normal, just like a BMW, the rear > wheels are not supposed to stand straight up and normal ride height. > > Peter > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
Maybe someone on the list has a similar car, that they know for sure the suspension is setup right. If so, maybe they can take a measurement of a fixed point on the underside, to give you a baseline of what your car's ride height should be? Just a thought I'm throwing out there. I'm sitting on the side lines, reading and taking all this in and learning what I can. I figure soon or later, I'll need to do all this too if I keep the car long enough. Ed 300E On 19 December 2010 23:01, Max Dillon wrote: > OK 124 (and 201) experts, here's my puzzle. After replacing the four links > and also the bushings at each end of the spring link, I STILL have negative > camber on my 124 wagon. It is better, but it's still there. :( > > So, I've thought of a couple of causes and options. > > 1) Eccentric bolt and elongated holes at the inner end of either the spring > link or the camber link, and adjust the camber directly. There is a note > in > the Tech. Modification notes of the service manual that the very early 124 > cars had such an adjustment, but it was eliminated. > > 2) Rear springs are worn out; Replace em! > > 3) Rear spring pads are worn out; Replace em! > > How can I measure the ride height to determine if the negative camber is > due > to decreased ride height? > > -Max (feeling a little negative) > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
I would have replaced the spring pads when I did the links (as I plan to do on mine) -- if the rubber in the links is bad, the rubber in the pads is also bad. I know this was a problem with someone else's car a few years back but I don't know what the solution was. There is some negative camber that is normal, just like a BMW, the rear wheels are not supposed to stand straight up and normal ride height. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
Let me clarify: Option 1 should read "Modify the rear suspension by adding eccentric bolt and making elongated holes at ..." -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Max Dillon Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 11:01 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga OK 124 (and 201) experts, here's my puzzle. After replacing the four links and also the bushings at each end of the spring link, I STILL have negative camber on my 124 wagon. It is better, but it's still there. :( So, I've thought of a couple of causes and options. 1) Eccentric bolt and elongated holes at the inner end of either the spring link or the camber link, and adjust the camber directly. There is a note in the Tech. Modification notes of the service manual that the very early 124 cars had such an adjustment, but it was eliminated. 2) Rear springs are worn out; Replace em! 3) Rear spring pads are worn out; Replace em! How can I measure the ride height to determine if the negative camber is due to decreased ride height? -Max (feeling a little negative) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
OK 124 (and 201) experts, here's my puzzle. After replacing the four links and also the bushings at each end of the spring link, I STILL have negative camber on my 124 wagon. It is better, but it's still there. :( So, I've thought of a couple of causes and options. 1) Eccentric bolt and elongated holes at the inner end of either the spring link or the camber link, and adjust the camber directly. There is a note in the Tech. Modification notes of the service manual that the very early 124 cars had such an adjustment, but it was eliminated. 2) Rear springs are worn out; Replace em! 3) Rear spring pads are worn out; Replace em! How can I measure the ride height to determine if the negative camber is due to decreased ride height? -Max (feeling a little negative) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So do I! -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 4:54 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 03:52:06 -0800 (PST) Max Dillon wrote: > I'm considering rebuilding the power steering pump on my '95, which has > developed a leak; that would be a nice project to post a blow-by-blow. I sure hope it's easier getting it out of your '95 than it was getting it out of our '94. Craig -- Present:'94 E420117 kmi '82 240D/3.0264 kmi Past: '86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc '72 220D/8 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 03:52:06 -0800 (PST) Max Dillon wrote: > I'm considering rebuilding the power steering pump on my '95, which has > developed a leak; that would be a nice project to post a blow-by-blow. I sure hope it's easier getting it out of your '95 than it was getting it out of our '94. Craig -- Present:'94 E420117 kmi '82 240D/3.0264 kmi Past: '86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc '72 220D/8 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: > My cell phone (Verizon /Motorola) has a menu item saying > Location on/off which means I can urn my location on or off - > for 911 purposes IIRC. > > I wonder if that does the same thing you mentioned with photos? Or, before you publish/share your photos, strip the EXIF data (tags) from it and all will be well. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Maybe - some phones make it challenging, some are easy. Dig into the manual, or figure out if the data is embedded with your photo and see if that data changes or goes away when you change the setting. -Max (whose cell phone doesn't even take pictures). From: "l02tur...@comcast.net" To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 1:58:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga My cell phone (Verizon /Motorola) has a menu item saying Location on/off which means I can urn my location on or off - for 911 purposes IIRC. I wonder if that does the same thing you mentioned with photos? LarryT 91 300D -Original Message- From: Max Dillon Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 9:31 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga Speaking of posting pictures, FYI most gps-enabled cell phones (i.e. Blackberries, i-phones, etc) will geo-tag pictures with the location the picture was taken. If the photographer then shares that photo on-line, they've also posted the date/time and location of the photo. Folks with privacy (or OPSEC) considerations might not like to have such info in the public domain, where nefarious intentions can lead to bad results. From: Rich Thomas To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 10:37:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga Google Blogspot lets you set up a blog, you can post pictures and text and whatever. --R On 12/16/2010 5:53 PM, Max Dillon wrote: > Yes, I thought about that, but I don't have a place to share the pictures. > Lousy excuse - I'm sure someone on this list could have helped me out, but > that's my story and I'm sticking to it. > > I do plan to write up a comprehensive step-by-step with lessons learned, > tools, part numbers, etc, but don't anyone hold their breath. Maybe that > will be a good project for the Christmas break. > > -Max > > -Original Message- > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] > On Behalf Of Rich Thomas > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:28 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga > > You need to take some pics and post all this on a web site or blog. I > guess it is too late, but it would be nice if everyone did that. > Doesn't take long and is very helpful to see the actual job with comments. > > --R > > On 12/16/2010 5:06 PM, Max Dillon wrote: >> Over the last couple of nights I've been pecking away at the left side >> links/bushings on my 300TD. I started by pulling the wheel, brake > caliper, >> and rotor, and then taking loose the parking brake shoes and the brake >> backing plate/dust shield. On my '95, I didn't need to loosen the brake >> backing plate, but on this '87 car it is required and makes the whole job >> much easier. The spring link came off next, using a trolley jack to > lower >> it to let the spring relax so it could be safely removed. >> >> >> >> I used the Sir Tools M0085 bushing press (with stripped threads on the > bolt) >> in combination with the Harbor Freight ball joint tool to press out the >> outer spring link bushing which is in the bottom of the wheel carrier. >> On >> this side of the car, the wheel carrier casting was different which made >> placing the cups of the M0085 much easier so that it sat perfectly flush > on >> the edge of the bushing and it came out quite nicely. Cleaned up the >> hole >> with wire brush, lubricated with anti-seize paste, and pulled the new >> bushing in with the M0085 (the end threads are still good enough to do > this >> part of the job). >> >> >> >> Next I replaced the thrust link and the tie-rod link; again I used the MB >> special tool for removing tied rod ends, which easily popped off the tie > rod >> from the wheel carrier. Pulling link and camber link were next, but >> couldn't complete the installation of these without new hardware, coming > in >> the next box of goodies from Rusty. >> >> >> >> Good news for OK Don: Both Toolsource and Sir Tools have offered to > replace >> the broken M0085 under warranty, so you will be getting either a new tool > or >> a new bolt. Toolsource says they've already shipped a replacement tool, > but >> I've got to return the broken tool to ensure it's covered by the >> warranty. >> Sir Tools says that they won't have a replacement bolt until January, but > we >> probably won't have to wait for that
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
My cell phone (Verizon /Motorola) has a menu item saying Location on/off which means I can urn my location on or off - for 911 purposes IIRC. I wonder if that does the same thing you mentioned with photos? LarryT 91 300D -Original Message- From: Max Dillon Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 9:31 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga Speaking of posting pictures, FYI most gps-enabled cell phones (i.e. Blackberries, i-phones, etc) will geo-tag pictures with the location the picture was taken. If the photographer then shares that photo on-line, they've also posted the date/time and location of the photo. Folks with privacy (or OPSEC) considerations might not like to have such info in the public domain, where nefarious intentions can lead to bad results. From: Rich Thomas To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 10:37:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga Google Blogspot lets you set up a blog, you can post pictures and text and whatever. --R On 12/16/2010 5:53 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Yes, I thought about that, but I don't have a place to share the pictures. Lousy excuse - I'm sure someone on this list could have helped me out, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I do plan to write up a comprehensive step-by-step with lessons learned, tools, part numbers, etc, but don't anyone hold their breath. Maybe that will be a good project for the Christmas break. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:28 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga You need to take some pics and post all this on a web site or blog. I guess it is too late, but it would be nice if everyone did that. Doesn't take long and is very helpful to see the actual job with comments. --R On 12/16/2010 5:06 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Over the last couple of nights I've been pecking away at the left side links/bushings on my 300TD. I started by pulling the wheel, brake caliper, and rotor, and then taking loose the parking brake shoes and the brake backing plate/dust shield. On my '95, I didn't need to loosen the brake backing plate, but on this '87 car it is required and makes the whole job much easier. The spring link came off next, using a trolley jack to lower it to let the spring relax so it could be safely removed. I used the Sir Tools M0085 bushing press (with stripped threads on the bolt) in combination with the Harbor Freight ball joint tool to press out the outer spring link bushing which is in the bottom of the wheel carrier. On this side of the car, the wheel carrier casting was different which made placing the cups of the M0085 much easier so that it sat perfectly flush on the edge of the bushing and it came out quite nicely. Cleaned up the hole with wire brush, lubricated with anti-seize paste, and pulled the new bushing in with the M0085 (the end threads are still good enough to do this part of the job). Next I replaced the thrust link and the tie-rod link; again I used the MB special tool for removing tied rod ends, which easily popped off the tie rod from the wheel carrier. Pulling link and camber link were next, but couldn't complete the installation of these without new hardware, coming in the next box of goodies from Rusty. Good news for OK Don: Both Toolsource and Sir Tools have offered to replace the broken M0085 under warranty, so you will be getting either a new tool or a new bolt. Toolsource says they've already shipped a replacement tool, but I've got to return the broken tool to ensure it's covered by the warranty. Sir Tools says that they won't have a replacement bolt until January, but we probably won't have to wait for that. If a certain box is delivered this afternoon, I may be able to entertain you all with a happy ending later tonight! Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www
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I never take it off. --R On 12/17/2010 10:22 AM, Max Dillon wrote: It's more fun being paranoid - did you put on your AFDB before reading my post? -Max From: Rich Thomas To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 10:01:02 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga On the other hand, someone with an interest in working on cars might show up to help you. --R On 12/17/2010 9:31 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Speaking of posting pictures, FYI most gps-enabled cell phones (i.e. Blackberries, i-phones, etc) will geo-tag pictures with the location the picture was taken. If the photographer then shares that photo on-line, they've also posted the date/time and location of the photo. Folks with privacy (or OPSEC) considerations might not like to have such info in the public domain, where nefarious intentions can lead to bad results. From: Rich Thomas To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 10:37:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga Google Blogspot lets you set up a blog, you can post pictures and text and whatever. --R On 12/16/2010 5:53 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Yes, I thought about that, but I don't have a place to share the pictures. Lousy excuse - I'm sure someone on this list could have helped me out, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I do plan to write up a comprehensive step-by-step with lessons learned, tools, part numbers, etc, but don't anyone hold their breath. Maybe that will be a good project for the Christmas break. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:28 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga You need to take some pics and post all this on a web site or blog. I guess it is too late, but it would be nice if everyone did that. Doesn't take long and is very helpful to see the actual job with comments. --R On 12/16/2010 5:06 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Over the last couple of nights I've been pecking away at the left side links/bushings on my 300TD. I started by pulling the wheel, brake caliper, and rotor, and then taking loose the parking brake shoes and the brake backing plate/dust shield. On my '95, I didn't need to loosen the brake backing plate, but on this '87 car it is required and makes the whole job much easier. The spring link came off next, using a trolley jack to lower it to let the spring relax so it could be safely removed. I used the Sir Tools M0085 bushing press (with stripped threads on the bolt) in combination with the Harbor Freight ball joint tool to press out the outer spring link bushing which is in the bottom of the wheel carrier. On this side of the car, the wheel carrier casting was different which made placing the cups of the M0085 much easier so that it sat perfectly flush on the edge of the bushing and it came out quite nicely. Cleaned up the hole with wire brush, lubricated with anti-seize paste, and pulled the new bushing in with the M0085 (the end threads are still good enough to do this part of the job). Next I replaced the thrust link and the tie-rod link; again I used the MB special tool for removing tied rod ends, which easily popped off the tie rod from the wheel carrier. Pulling link and camber link were next, but couldn't complete the installation of these without new hardware, coming in the next box of goodies from Rusty. Good news for OK Don: Both Toolsource and Sir Tools have offered to replace the broken M0085 under warranty, so you will be getting either a new tool or a new bolt. Toolsource says they've already shipped a replacement tool, but I've got to return the broken tool to ensure it's covered by the warranty. Sir Tools says that they won't have a replacement bolt until January, but we probably won't have to wait for that. If a certain box is delivered this afternoon, I may be able to entertain you all with a happy ending later tonight! Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com F
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It's more fun being paranoid - did you put on your AFDB before reading my post? -Max From: Rich Thomas To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 10:01:02 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga On the other hand, someone with an interest in working on cars might show up to help you. --R On 12/17/2010 9:31 AM, Max Dillon wrote: > Speaking of posting pictures, FYI most gps-enabled cell phones (i.e. > Blackberries, i-phones, etc) will geo-tag pictures with the location the >picture > was taken. If the photographer then shares that photo on-line, they've also > posted the date/time and location of the photo. Folks with privacy (or OPSEC) > considerations might not like to have such info in the public domain, where > nefarious intentions can lead to bad results. > > > > > > From: Rich Thomas > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 10:37:09 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga > > Google Blogspot lets you set up a blog, you can post pictures and text > and whatever. > > --R > > On 12/16/2010 5:53 PM, Max Dillon wrote: >> Yes, I thought about that, but I don't have a place to share the pictures. >> Lousy excuse - I'm sure someone on this list could have helped me out, but >> that's my story and I'm sticking to it. >> >> I do plan to write up a comprehensive step-by-step with lessons learned, >> tools, part numbers, etc, but don't anyone hold their breath. Maybe that >> will be a good project for the Christmas break. >> >> -Max >> >> -Original Message- >> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] >> On Behalf Of Rich Thomas >> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:28 PM >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga >> >> You need to take some pics and post all this on a web site or blog. I >> guess it is too late, but it would be nice if everyone did that. >> Doesn't take long and is very helpful to see the actual job with comments. >> >> --R >> >> On 12/16/2010 5:06 PM, Max Dillon wrote: >>> Over the last couple of nights I've been pecking away at the left side >>> links/bushings on my 300TD. I started by pulling the wheel, brake >> caliper, >>> and rotor, and then taking loose the parking brake shoes and the brake >>> backing plate/dust shield. On my '95, I didn't need to loosen the brake >>> backing plate, but on this '87 car it is required and makes the whole job >>> much easier. The spring link came off next, using a trolley jack to >> lower >>> it to let the spring relax so it could be safely removed. >>> >>> >>> >>> I used the Sir Tools M0085 bushing press (with stripped threads on the >> bolt) >>> in combination with the Harbor Freight ball joint tool to press out the >>> outer spring link bushing which is in the bottom of the wheel carrier. On >>> this side of the car, the wheel carrier casting was different which made >>> placing the cups of the M0085 much easier so that it sat perfectly flush >> on >>> the edge of the bushing and it came out quite nicely. Cleaned up the hole >>> with wire brush, lubricated with anti-seize paste, and pulled the new >>> bushing in with the M0085 (the end threads are still good enough to do >> this >>> part of the job). >>> >>> >>> >>> Next I replaced the thrust link and the tie-rod link; again I used the MB >>> special tool for removing tied rod ends, which easily popped off the tie >> rod >>> from the wheel carrier. Pulling link and camber link were next, but >>> couldn't complete the installation of these without new hardware, coming >> in >>> the next box of goodies from Rusty. >>> >>> >>> >>> Good news for OK Don: Both Toolsource and Sir Tools have offered to >> replace >>> the broken M0085 under warranty, so you will be getting either a new tool >> or >>> a new bolt. Toolsource says they've already shipped a replacement tool, >> but >>> I've got to return the broken tool to ensure it's covered by the warranty. >>> Sir Tools says that they won't have a replacement bolt until January, but >> we >>> probably won't have to wait for that. >>> >>> >>> >>> If a certain box is delivered this aftern
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
Max Dillon wrote: Speaking of posting pictures, FYI most gps-enabled cell phones (i.e. Blackberries, i-phones, etc) will geo-tag pictures with the location the picture was taken. If the photographer then shares that photo on-line, they've also posted the date/time and location of the photo. Folks with privacy (or OPSEC) considerations might not like to have such info in the public domain, where nefarious intentions can lead to bad results. These days, the nefarious people you most need to worry about are the ones who already have access to your cell records without a warrant, any time they want it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On the other hand, someone with an interest in working on cars might show up to help you. --R On 12/17/2010 9:31 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Speaking of posting pictures, FYI most gps-enabled cell phones (i.e. Blackberries, i-phones, etc) will geo-tag pictures with the location the picture was taken. If the photographer then shares that photo on-line, they've also posted the date/time and location of the photo. Folks with privacy (or OPSEC) considerations might not like to have such info in the public domain, where nefarious intentions can lead to bad results. From: Rich Thomas To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 10:37:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga Google Blogspot lets you set up a blog, you can post pictures and text and whatever. --R On 12/16/2010 5:53 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Yes, I thought about that, but I don't have a place to share the pictures. Lousy excuse - I'm sure someone on this list could have helped me out, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I do plan to write up a comprehensive step-by-step with lessons learned, tools, part numbers, etc, but don't anyone hold their breath. Maybe that will be a good project for the Christmas break. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:28 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga You need to take some pics and post all this on a web site or blog. I guess it is too late, but it would be nice if everyone did that. Doesn't take long and is very helpful to see the actual job with comments. --R On 12/16/2010 5:06 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Over the last couple of nights I've been pecking away at the left side links/bushings on my 300TD. I started by pulling the wheel, brake caliper, and rotor, and then taking loose the parking brake shoes and the brake backing plate/dust shield. On my '95, I didn't need to loosen the brake backing plate, but on this '87 car it is required and makes the whole job much easier. The spring link came off next, using a trolley jack to lower it to let the spring relax so it could be safely removed. I used the Sir Tools M0085 bushing press (with stripped threads on the bolt) in combination with the Harbor Freight ball joint tool to press out the outer spring link bushing which is in the bottom of the wheel carrier. On this side of the car, the wheel carrier casting was different which made placing the cups of the M0085 much easier so that it sat perfectly flush on the edge of the bushing and it came out quite nicely. Cleaned up the hole with wire brush, lubricated with anti-seize paste, and pulled the new bushing in with the M0085 (the end threads are still good enough to do this part of the job). Next I replaced the thrust link and the tie-rod link; again I used the MB special tool for removing tied rod ends, which easily popped off the tie rod from the wheel carrier. Pulling link and camber link were next, but couldn't complete the installation of these without new hardware, coming in the next box of goodies from Rusty. Good news for OK Don: Both Toolsource and Sir Tools have offered to replace the broken M0085 under warranty, so you will be getting either a new tool or a new bolt. Toolsource says they've already shipped a replacement tool, but I've got to return the broken tool to ensure it's covered by the warranty. Sir Tools says that they won't have a replacement bolt until January, but we probably won't have to wait for that. If a certain box is delivered this afternoon, I may be able to entertain you all with a happy ending later tonight! Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives ht
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I need to update the site in a bad way and get some content there. On 12/17/2010 5:53 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Thanks Kaleb, perhaps I'll do that as well. I've never looked around on your sight after the great meltdown back when Dick (?) ran it for $2000 per month on Rusty's dime. -Max -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
Speaking of posting pictures, FYI most gps-enabled cell phones (i.e. Blackberries, i-phones, etc) will geo-tag pictures with the location the picture was taken. If the photographer then shares that photo on-line, they've also posted the date/time and location of the photo. Folks with privacy (or OPSEC) considerations might not like to have such info in the public domain, where nefarious intentions can lead to bad results. From: Rich Thomas To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 10:37:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga Google Blogspot lets you set up a blog, you can post pictures and text and whatever. --R On 12/16/2010 5:53 PM, Max Dillon wrote: > Yes, I thought about that, but I don't have a place to share the pictures. > Lousy excuse - I'm sure someone on this list could have helped me out, but > that's my story and I'm sticking to it. > > I do plan to write up a comprehensive step-by-step with lessons learned, > tools, part numbers, etc, but don't anyone hold their breath. Maybe that > will be a good project for the Christmas break. > > -Max > > -Original Message- > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] > On Behalf Of Rich Thomas > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:28 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga > > You need to take some pics and post all this on a web site or blog. I > guess it is too late, but it would be nice if everyone did that. > Doesn't take long and is very helpful to see the actual job with comments. > > --R > > On 12/16/2010 5:06 PM, Max Dillon wrote: >> Over the last couple of nights I've been pecking away at the left side >> links/bushings on my 300TD. I started by pulling the wheel, brake > caliper, >> and rotor, and then taking loose the parking brake shoes and the brake >> backing plate/dust shield. On my '95, I didn't need to loosen the brake >> backing plate, but on this '87 car it is required and makes the whole job >> much easier. The spring link came off next, using a trolley jack to > lower >> it to let the spring relax so it could be safely removed. >> >> >> >> I used the Sir Tools M0085 bushing press (with stripped threads on the > bolt) >> in combination with the Harbor Freight ball joint tool to press out the >> outer spring link bushing which is in the bottom of the wheel carrier. On >> this side of the car, the wheel carrier casting was different which made >> placing the cups of the M0085 much easier so that it sat perfectly flush > on >> the edge of the bushing and it came out quite nicely. Cleaned up the hole >> with wire brush, lubricated with anti-seize paste, and pulled the new >> bushing in with the M0085 (the end threads are still good enough to do > this >> part of the job). >> >> >> >> Next I replaced the thrust link and the tie-rod link; again I used the MB >> special tool for removing tied rod ends, which easily popped off the tie > rod >> from the wheel carrier. Pulling link and camber link were next, but >> couldn't complete the installation of these without new hardware, coming > in >> the next box of goodies from Rusty. >> >> >> >> Good news for OK Don: Both Toolsource and Sir Tools have offered to > replace >> the broken M0085 under warranty, so you will be getting either a new tool > or >> a new bolt. Toolsource says they've already shipped a replacement tool, > but >> I've got to return the broken tool to ensure it's covered by the warranty. >> Sir Tools says that they won't have a replacement bolt until January, but > we >> probably won't have to wait for that. >> >> >> >> If a certain box is delivered this afternoon, I may be able to entertain > you >> all with a happy ending later tonight! >> >> >> >> Very respectfully, >> /s/ >> Max Dillon >> Charleston SC >> '87 300TD 332k miles >> >> '95 E300 277k miles >> >> '73 Balboa 20 >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go
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Thanks Kaleb, perhaps I'll do that as well. I've never looked around on your sight after the great meltdown back when Dick (?) ran it for $2000 per month on Rusty's dime. -Max From: Kaleb C. Striplin To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 10:54:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga send it to me and I will put it up On 12/16/2010 4:53 PM, Max Dillon wrote: > Yes, I thought about that, but I don't have a place to share the pictures. > Lousy excuse - I'm sure someone on this list could have helped me out, but > that's my story and I'm sticking to it. > > I do plan to write up a comprehensive step-by-step with lessons learned, > tools, part numbers, etc, but don't anyone hold their breath. Maybe that > will be a good project for the Christmas break. > > -Max -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
I'm considering rebuilding the power steering pump on my '95, which has developed a leak; that would be a nice project to post a blow-by-blow. Another place that I could put it would be on the MBCA forums. Maybe I should do both. -Max From: Rich Thomas To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 10:37:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga Google Blogspot lets you set up a blog, you can post pictures and text and whatever. --R On 12/16/2010 5:53 PM, Max Dillon wrote: > Yes, I thought about that, but I don't have a place to share the pictures. > Lousy excuse - I'm sure someone on this list could have helped me out, but > that's my story and I'm sticking to it. > > I do plan to write up a comprehensive step-by-step with lessons learned, > tools, part numbers, etc, but don't anyone hold their breath. Maybe that > will be a good project for the Christmas break. > > -Max > > -Original Message- > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] > On Behalf Of Rich Thomas > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:28 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga > > You need to take some pics and post all this on a web site or blog. I > guess it is too late, but it would be nice if everyone did that. > Doesn't take long and is very helpful to see the actual job with comments. > > --R > > On 12/16/2010 5:06 PM, Max Dillon wrote: >> Over the last couple of nights I've been pecking away at the left side >> links/bushings on my 300TD. I started by pulling the wheel, brake > caliper, >> and rotor, and then taking loose the parking brake shoes and the brake >> backing plate/dust shield. On my '95, I didn't need to loosen the brake >> backing plate, but on this '87 car it is required and makes the whole job >> much easier. The spring link came off next, using a trolley jack to > lower >> it to let the spring relax so it could be safely removed. >> >> >> >> I used the Sir Tools M0085 bushing press (with stripped threads on the > bolt) >> in combination with the Harbor Freight ball joint tool to press out the >> outer spring link bushing which is in the bottom of the wheel carrier. On >> this side of the car, the wheel carrier casting was different which made >> placing the cups of the M0085 much easier so that it sat perfectly flush > on >> the edge of the bushing and it came out quite nicely. Cleaned up the hole >> with wire brush, lubricated with anti-seize paste, and pulled the new >> bushing in with the M0085 (the end threads are still good enough to do > this >> part of the job). >> >> >> >> Next I replaced the thrust link and the tie-rod link; again I used the MB >> special tool for removing tied rod ends, which easily popped off the tie > rod >> from the wheel carrier. Pulling link and camber link were next, but >> couldn't complete the installation of these without new hardware, coming > in >> the next box of goodies from Rusty. >> >> >> >> Good news for OK Don: Both Toolsource and Sir Tools have offered to > replace >> the broken M0085 under warranty, so you will be getting either a new tool > or >> a new bolt. Toolsource says they've already shipped a replacement tool, > but >> I've got to return the broken tool to ensure it's covered by the warranty. >> Sir Tools says that they won't have a replacement bolt until January, but > we >> probably won't have to wait for that. >> >> >> >> If a certain box is delivered this afternoon, I may be able to entertain > you >> all with a happy ending later tonight! >> >> >> >> Very respectfully, >> /s/ >> Max Dillon >> Charleston SC >> '87 300TD 332k miles >> >> '95 E300 277k miles >> >> '73 Balboa 20 >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes
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send it to me and I will put it up On 12/16/2010 4:53 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Yes, I thought about that, but I don't have a place to share the pictures. Lousy excuse - I'm sure someone on this list could have helped me out, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I do plan to write up a comprehensive step-by-step with lessons learned, tools, part numbers, etc, but don't anyone hold their breath. Maybe that will be a good project for the Christmas break. -Max -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
Google Blogspot lets you set up a blog, you can post pictures and text and whatever. --R On 12/16/2010 5:53 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Yes, I thought about that, but I don't have a place to share the pictures. Lousy excuse - I'm sure someone on this list could have helped me out, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I do plan to write up a comprehensive step-by-step with lessons learned, tools, part numbers, etc, but don't anyone hold their breath. Maybe that will be a good project for the Christmas break. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:28 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga You need to take some pics and post all this on a web site or blog. I guess it is too late, but it would be nice if everyone did that. Doesn't take long and is very helpful to see the actual job with comments. --R On 12/16/2010 5:06 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Over the last couple of nights I've been pecking away at the left side links/bushings on my 300TD. I started by pulling the wheel, brake caliper, and rotor, and then taking loose the parking brake shoes and the brake backing plate/dust shield. On my '95, I didn't need to loosen the brake backing plate, but on this '87 car it is required and makes the whole job much easier. The spring link came off next, using a trolley jack to lower it to let the spring relax so it could be safely removed. I used the Sir Tools M0085 bushing press (with stripped threads on the bolt) in combination with the Harbor Freight ball joint tool to press out the outer spring link bushing which is in the bottom of the wheel carrier. On this side of the car, the wheel carrier casting was different which made placing the cups of the M0085 much easier so that it sat perfectly flush on the edge of the bushing and it came out quite nicely. Cleaned up the hole with wire brush, lubricated with anti-seize paste, and pulled the new bushing in with the M0085 (the end threads are still good enough to do this part of the job). Next I replaced the thrust link and the tie-rod link; again I used the MB special tool for removing tied rod ends, which easily popped off the tie rod from the wheel carrier. Pulling link and camber link were next, but couldn't complete the installation of these without new hardware, coming in the next box of goodies from Rusty. Good news for OK Don: Both Toolsource and Sir Tools have offered to replace the broken M0085 under warranty, so you will be getting either a new tool or a new bolt. Toolsource says they've already shipped a replacement tool, but I've got to return the broken tool to ensure it's covered by the warranty. Sir Tools says that they won't have a replacement bolt until January, but we probably won't have to wait for that. If a certain box is delivered this afternoon, I may be able to entertain you all with a happy ending later tonight! Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Good news indeed! Enough other projects have risen, that I won't be getting to the rear end again untill well into Jan. I might even wait for warm weather (I'm getting softer in my olf age). On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Max Dillon wrote: > Good news for OK Don: Both Toolsource and Sir Tools have offered to > replace > the broken M0085 under warranty, so you will be getting either a new tool > or > a new bolt. Toolsource says they've already shipped a replacement tool, > but > I've got to return the broken tool to ensure it's covered by the warranty. > Sir Tools says that they won't have a replacement bolt until January, but > we > probably won't have to wait for that. > > -- > OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
Sure, I'll be free in February, my rate is only $55 per hour plus expenses. I think that if I'd only done the spring link bushings and the camber link on this car, all my troubles would have been solved. Replacing them all removes any doubt, and now I shouldn't have to touch them for another 150k miles or so. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 6:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga Maybe I should go down for a weekend and "let" you do mine and take you and your young ladies to dinner a coupla times. ;<)) Wilton - Original Message - From: "Max Dillon" To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga > Yes, I thought about that, but I don't have a place to share the pictures. > Lousy excuse - I'm sure someone on this list could have helped me out, but > that's my story and I'm sticking to it. > > I do plan to write up a comprehensive step-by-step with lessons learned, > tools, part numbers, etc, but don't anyone hold their breath. Maybe that > will be a good project for the Christmas break. > > -Max > > -Original Message- > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] > On Behalf Of Rich Thomas > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:28 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga > > You need to take some pics and post all this on a web site or blog. I > guess it is too late, but it would be nice if everyone did that. > Doesn't take long and is very helpful to see the actual job with comments. > > --R > > On 12/16/2010 5:06 PM, Max Dillon wrote: >> Over the last couple of nights I've been pecking away at the left side >> links/bushings on my 300TD. I started by pulling the wheel, brake > caliper, >> and rotor, and then taking loose the parking brake shoes and the brake >> backing plate/dust shield. On my '95, I didn't need to loosen the brake >> backing plate, but on this '87 car it is required and makes the whole job >> much easier. The spring link came off next, using a trolley jack to > lower >> it to let the spring relax so it could be safely removed. >> >> >> >> I used the Sir Tools M0085 bushing press (with stripped threads on the > bolt) >> in combination with the Harbor Freight ball joint tool to press out the >> outer spring link bushing which is in the bottom of the wheel carrier. >> On >> this side of the car, the wheel carrier casting was different which made >> placing the cups of the M0085 much easier so that it sat perfectly flush > on >> the edge of the bushing and it came out quite nicely. Cleaned up the >> hole >> with wire brush, lubricated with anti-seize paste, and pulled the new >> bushing in with the M0085 (the end threads are still good enough to do > this >> part of the job). >> >> >> >> Next I replaced the thrust link and the tie-rod link; again I used the MB >> special tool for removing tied rod ends, which easily popped off the tie > rod >> from the wheel carrier. Pulling link and camber link were next, but >> couldn't complete the installation of these without new hardware, coming > in >> the next box of goodies from Rusty. >> >> >> >> Good news for OK Don: Both Toolsource and Sir Tools have offered to > replace >> the broken M0085 under warranty, so you will be getting either a new tool > or >> a new bolt. Toolsource says they've already shipped a replacement tool, > but >> I've got to return the broken tool to ensure it's covered by the >> warranty. >> Sir Tools says that they won't have a replacement bolt until January, but > we >> probably won't have to wait for that. >> >> >> >> If a certain box is delivered this afternoon, I may be able to entertain > you >> all with a happy ending later tonight! >> >> >> >> Very respectfully, >> /s/ >> Max Dillon >> Charleston SC >> '87 300TD 332k miles >> >> '95 E300 277k miles >> >> '73 Balboa 20 >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
Maybe I should go down for a weekend and "let" you do mine and take you and your young ladies to dinner a coupla times. ;<)) Wilton - Original Message - From: "Max Dillon" To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga Yes, I thought about that, but I don't have a place to share the pictures. Lousy excuse - I'm sure someone on this list could have helped me out, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I do plan to write up a comprehensive step-by-step with lessons learned, tools, part numbers, etc, but don't anyone hold their breath. Maybe that will be a good project for the Christmas break. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:28 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga You need to take some pics and post all this on a web site or blog. I guess it is too late, but it would be nice if everyone did that. Doesn't take long and is very helpful to see the actual job with comments. --R On 12/16/2010 5:06 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Over the last couple of nights I've been pecking away at the left side links/bushings on my 300TD. I started by pulling the wheel, brake caliper, and rotor, and then taking loose the parking brake shoes and the brake backing plate/dust shield. On my '95, I didn't need to loosen the brake backing plate, but on this '87 car it is required and makes the whole job much easier. The spring link came off next, using a trolley jack to lower it to let the spring relax so it could be safely removed. I used the Sir Tools M0085 bushing press (with stripped threads on the bolt) in combination with the Harbor Freight ball joint tool to press out the outer spring link bushing which is in the bottom of the wheel carrier. On this side of the car, the wheel carrier casting was different which made placing the cups of the M0085 much easier so that it sat perfectly flush on the edge of the bushing and it came out quite nicely. Cleaned up the hole with wire brush, lubricated with anti-seize paste, and pulled the new bushing in with the M0085 (the end threads are still good enough to do this part of the job). Next I replaced the thrust link and the tie-rod link; again I used the MB special tool for removing tied rod ends, which easily popped off the tie rod from the wheel carrier. Pulling link and camber link were next, but couldn't complete the installation of these without new hardware, coming in the next box of goodies from Rusty. Good news for OK Don: Both Toolsource and Sir Tools have offered to replace the broken M0085 under warranty, so you will be getting either a new tool or a new bolt. Toolsource says they've already shipped a replacement tool, but I've got to return the broken tool to ensure it's covered by the warranty. Sir Tools says that they won't have a replacement bolt until January, but we probably won't have to wait for that. If a certain box is delivered this afternoon, I may be able to entertain you all with a happy ending later tonight! Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
Yes, I thought about that, but I don't have a place to share the pictures. Lousy excuse - I'm sure someone on this list could have helped me out, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I do plan to write up a comprehensive step-by-step with lessons learned, tools, part numbers, etc, but don't anyone hold their breath. Maybe that will be a good project for the Christmas break. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:28 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga You need to take some pics and post all this on a web site or blog. I guess it is too late, but it would be nice if everyone did that. Doesn't take long and is very helpful to see the actual job with comments. --R On 12/16/2010 5:06 PM, Max Dillon wrote: > Over the last couple of nights I've been pecking away at the left side > links/bushings on my 300TD. I started by pulling the wheel, brake caliper, > and rotor, and then taking loose the parking brake shoes and the brake > backing plate/dust shield. On my '95, I didn't need to loosen the brake > backing plate, but on this '87 car it is required and makes the whole job > much easier. The spring link came off next, using a trolley jack to lower > it to let the spring relax so it could be safely removed. > > > > I used the Sir Tools M0085 bushing press (with stripped threads on the bolt) > in combination with the Harbor Freight ball joint tool to press out the > outer spring link bushing which is in the bottom of the wheel carrier. On > this side of the car, the wheel carrier casting was different which made > placing the cups of the M0085 much easier so that it sat perfectly flush on > the edge of the bushing and it came out quite nicely. Cleaned up the hole > with wire brush, lubricated with anti-seize paste, and pulled the new > bushing in with the M0085 (the end threads are still good enough to do this > part of the job). > > > > Next I replaced the thrust link and the tie-rod link; again I used the MB > special tool for removing tied rod ends, which easily popped off the tie rod > from the wheel carrier. Pulling link and camber link were next, but > couldn't complete the installation of these without new hardware, coming in > the next box of goodies from Rusty. > > > > Good news for OK Don: Both Toolsource and Sir Tools have offered to replace > the broken M0085 under warranty, so you will be getting either a new tool or > a new bolt. Toolsource says they've already shipped a replacement tool, but > I've got to return the broken tool to ensure it's covered by the warranty. > Sir Tools says that they won't have a replacement bolt until January, but we > probably won't have to wait for that. > > > > If a certain box is delivered this afternoon, I may be able to entertain you > all with a happy ending later tonight! > > > > Very respectfully, > /s/ > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > '87 300TD 332k miles > > '95 E300 277k miles > > '73 Balboa 20 > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The continuing 124 rear suspension saga
You need to take some pics and post all this on a web site or blog. I guess it is too late, but it would be nice if everyone did that. Doesn't take long and is very helpful to see the actual job with comments. --R On 12/16/2010 5:06 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Over the last couple of nights I've been pecking away at the left side links/bushings on my 300TD. I started by pulling the wheel, brake caliper, and rotor, and then taking loose the parking brake shoes and the brake backing plate/dust shield. On my '95, I didn't need to loosen the brake backing plate, but on this '87 car it is required and makes the whole job much easier. The spring link came off next, using a trolley jack to lower it to let the spring relax so it could be safely removed. I used the Sir Tools M0085 bushing press (with stripped threads on the bolt) in combination with the Harbor Freight ball joint tool to press out the outer spring link bushing which is in the bottom of the wheel carrier. On this side of the car, the wheel carrier casting was different which made placing the cups of the M0085 much easier so that it sat perfectly flush on the edge of the bushing and it came out quite nicely. Cleaned up the hole with wire brush, lubricated with anti-seize paste, and pulled the new bushing in with the M0085 (the end threads are still good enough to do this part of the job). Next I replaced the thrust link and the tie-rod link; again I used the MB special tool for removing tied rod ends, which easily popped off the tie rod from the wheel carrier. Pulling link and camber link were next, but couldn't complete the installation of these without new hardware, coming in the next box of goodies from Rusty. Good news for OK Don: Both Toolsource and Sir Tools have offered to replace the broken M0085 under warranty, so you will be getting either a new tool or a new bolt. Toolsource says they've already shipped a replacement tool, but I've got to return the broken tool to ensure it's covered by the warranty. Sir Tools says that they won't have a replacement bolt until January, but we probably won't have to wait for that. If a certain box is delivered this afternoon, I may be able to entertain you all with a happy ending later tonight! Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
