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Article in the daily rag outlined the exchange options. The table showed the three levels of plan (gold, sliver, bronze) and age groups (20's 40's 60's). Based on the level of coverage I suffer with now, I will be paying more as a single user than what I am charged monthly to cover the whole family. So, Osama care in my case will cost me three times as much. To make it economical, I should drop all coverage and pay the tax penalty. clay It is cheaper, cuz kB sez so. Ain't it right? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Washington has legal dope and physician assisted death for terminal folks. I would gladly smoke myself into a vegetative state after ingesting lethal amounts of morphine On Jul 31, 2013, at 8:22 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: Part of the mentality is that family of cancer patients, especially older ones, want everything possible done to keep granny alive for a few more weeks or months. They push the docs and they system to do more more more when it really won't help, but the docs have to pretty much go with the desires of the family or there will be hell to pay. And then there is the part that if medicare or whatever is paying for it, well I have made it clear that when it is my time, everyone can take me out in the woods and tie me to a tree and I will be happy. --R On 7/31/13 7:57 PM, clay wrote: I am of the opinion that the treatment is much worse than allowing the person to make their peace. The chemicals and radiation kill the patient unless it is stage one. All the treatment seems to do is to keep the victim on the edge of death while insurance companies payout the mightily overpriced procedures. The drugs are pushed as generic treatment, instead of being used in a targeted fashion for specific cancers. If there were to ever be a cure, that would ruin the cancer economy of drugs, nurses, treatment centers, and research programs. Much like the snit the Kalifornia energy companies are tossing over rooftop PV ruining their profits because there is not cash flowing in for them. Or the idiocy of the Republicans shooting down astroid capture. Do they not have any idea the profits big mining will reap when they figure out how to do it? Kill the golden goose, and there goes your cash for future elections. Those astroid miners would pay handsomely to get their hands on that stuff. rant over clay On Jul 31, 2013, at 4:18 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Mike wrote: Many folks may have led a decent life if the tumor had been just left alone rather than being subjected to chemo and radiation. Cancer sucks. Greedy @#$%#?@ people that keep people from a potential cure over tax money suck worse. My wife's cousin had cancerous leg amputated. 6-months later he was dead, as the cancer spread via circulatory system, or somesuch... 30-years ago. Cure is heinous hope. Death is the cure, and there is no hope against death, well... not unless you want to dialog banned material here at okiebenz... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]
Article in the daily rag outlined the exchange options. The table showed the three levels of plan (gold, sliver, bronze) and age groups (20's 40's 60's). Based on the level of coverage I suffer with now, I will be paying more as a single user than what I am charged monthly to cover the whole family. So, Osama care in my case will cost me three times as much. To make it economical, I should drop all coverage and pay the tax penalty. clay On Aug 1, 2013, at 8:54 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: This is certainly the line that the insurance industry has been feeding us for a long time. But I've said this before and I'll keep saying it: insurance is the one product in the marketplace that everyone is required to have (i.e. car liability insurance, plus soon health insurance), but that the seller is not required to provide in exchange for the buyer's money. Well, supposedly when ObamaCare kicks in they'll be required to provide us with health insurance in exchange for forcing us to buy it. I wonder how many people will resist that? I grew up with the idea that somebody could take out a mortgage and deduct the interest, while another taxpayer could save up and pay cash for their home and take the standard deduction. The guy without the mortgage pays more in taxes than the guy who took out a mortgage and bought a bigger house. Where I draw the line is when government fines me for not borrowing money to buy a more expensive house by requiring me to pay a special $1000 tax for not having the mortgage. That's where I must make a stand by filing a protest return, the one where I leave the mortgage surtax calculations blank and attach a preparer's note which states that it's none of their business how I paid for my house. Same goes for health care. I can pay as I go or I can buy insurance coverage for it. The minute the feral government says I must buy insurance, not just any insurance but the insurance they want me to buy, or pay a tax is the moment I become a tax protester. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 20:50:54 -0700 clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Article in the daily rag outlined the exchange options. The table showed the three levels of plan (gold, sliver, bronze) and age groups (20's 40's 60's). Based on the level of coverage I suffer with now, I will be paying more as a single user than what I am charged monthly to cover the whole family. So, Osama care in my case will cost me three times as much. To make it economical, I should drop all coverage and pay the tax penalty. or, refuse2enroll.com Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I believe a recent study showed that the bulk of Medicare expenditures take place in the last two years of the patient's life. Dan Sent from my iPad On Aug 1, 2013, at 12:41 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the exploitation of medicare is monumental down here. anytime an old person has a headache or stomach ache, $200k plus is spent on medical care. many of the elderly enjoy the attention and feel participation is worthwhile, but spending 7 figures a year on someone who is not even actually in need of medical attention is entirely unsustainable. doctors just know they want bigger yachts and the details of how don't disturb them. it's a completely broken country. every system is broken and there is no plan to fix anything On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Part of the mentality is that family of cancer patients, especially older ones, want everything possible done to keep granny alive for a few more weeks or months. They push the docs and they system to do more more more when it really won't help, but the docs have to pretty much go with the desires of the family or there will be hell to pay. And then there is the part that if medicare or whatever is paying for it, well I have made it clear that when it is my time, everyone can take me out in the woods and tie me to a tree and I will be happy. --R On 7/31/13 7:57 PM, clay wrote: I am of the opinion that the treatment is much worse than allowing the person to make their peace. The chemicals and radiation kill the patient unless it is stage one. All the treatment seems to do is to keep the victim on the edge of death while insurance companies payout the mightily overpriced procedures. The drugs are pushed as generic treatment, instead of being used in a targeted fashion for specific cancers. If there were to ever be a cure, that would ruin the cancer economy of drugs, nurses, treatment centers, and research programs. Much like the snit the Kalifornia energy companies are tossing over rooftop PV ruining their profits because there is not cash flowing in for them. Or the idiocy of the Republicans shooting down astroid capture. Do they not have any idea the profits big mining will reap when they figure out how to do it? Kill the golden goose, and there goes your cash for future elections. Those astroid miners would pay handsomely to get their hands on that stuff. rant over clay On Jul 31, 2013, at 4:18 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Mike wrote: Many folks may have led a decent life if the tumor had been just left alone rather than being subjected to chemo and radiation. Cancer sucks. Greedy @#$%#?@ people that keep people from a potential cure over tax money suck worse. My wife's cousin had cancerous leg amputated. 6-months later he was dead, as the cancer spread via circulatory system, or somesuch... 30-years ago. Cure is heinous hope. Death is the cure, and there is no hope against death, well... not unless you want to dialog banned material here at okiebenz... mao __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Please explain. I only have a kayak. I need to get this going as a yacht would be nice. --R On 8/1/13 12:41 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: doctors just know they want bigger yachts and the details of how don't disturb them. i ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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you need to come to south florida and start running scams. lots of yachts in this neighborhood! On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Please explain. I only have a kayak. I need to get this going as a yacht would be nice. --R On 8/1/13 12:41 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: doctors just know they want bigger yachts and the details of how don't disturb them. i __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rich Thomas wrote: Part of the mentality is that family of cancer patients, especially older ones, want everything possible done to keep granny alive for a few more weeks or months. They push the docs and they system to do more more more when it really won't help, but the docs have to pretty much go with the desires of the family or there will be hell to pay. And then there is the part that if medicare or whatever is paying for it, well There's a blogger who recently found out that Blue Cross was raising the copay on his $7k a month drug from $40 a month to $3500. Yikes, what's the point of having prescription drug insurance if they can do that to you? http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2013/07/a-white-knight-appears-blue-crossblue.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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this to me is really the breaking point of the healthcare system as we have it today. what is the point of any kind of insurance? to protect you from financial ruin in case something goes south on you. so say all your crap is worth $50k, you you might buy some kind of fire/theft type insurance for $500 for the year as you can pay $500 but you couldn't afford to cover $50k. etc for the first time i can recall in my life, you can now have health insurance but still face financial ruin or inability to afford healthcare On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: Part of the mentality is that family of cancer patients, especially older ones, want everything possible done to keep granny alive for a few more weeks or months. They push the docs and they system to do more more more when it really won't help, but the docs have to pretty much go with the desires of the family or there will be hell to pay. And then there is the part that if medicare or whatever is paying for it, well There's a blogger who recently found out that Blue Cross was raising the copay on his $7k a month drug from $40 a month to $3500. Yikes, what's the point of having prescription drug insurance if they can do that to you? http://sipseystreetirregulars.**blogspot.com/2013/07/a-white-** knight-appears-blue-crossblue.**htmlhttp://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2013/07/a-white-knight-appears-blue-crossblue.html __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Gary Hurst wrote: for the first time i can recall in my life, you can now have health insurance but still face financial ruin or inability to afford healthcare A friend of mine pays 5 digits in annual medical insurance premiums for a family of four (two fourtysomethigns and two teens). Last year he ran some fingers through a table saw. His coinsurance/copays for the surgeries etc was over $20k. He could pay $20-30k, but it sure messes up the household budget for the next few years. That blogger with the $7k drug that BCBS wants to split 50/50 with him? A comment on his original blog post on the subject said: Canadian pharmacy. Thirty tablets, 100mg, 299.99. Do your due diligence before ordering. US patent expires in 2014 and generics should be available here when it does. If the Canadian government will only let them charge $10 a dose, and they willingly sell it in Canada for that price, why do they have to get $230 each when they sell it in USA? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, Aug 1, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: If the Canadian government will only let them charge $10 a dose, and they willingly sell it in Canada for that price, why do they have to get $230 each when they sell it in USA? If they were mandated to sell it for $10 in the USA they probably would not have bothered to develop the drug in the first place. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Allan Streib wrote: If they were mandated to sell it for $10 in the USA they probably would not have bothered to develop the drug in the first place. True, but how did we let ourselves get in the position of subsidizing other countries' government health plans, and how to we get out of that position? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: this to me is really the breaking point of the healthcare system as we have it today. what is the point of any kind of insurance? to protect you from financial ruin in case something goes south on you. This is certainly the line that the insurance industry has been feeding us for a long time. But I've said this before and I'll keep saying it: insurance is the one product in the marketplace that everyone is required to have (i.e. car liability insurance, plus soon health insurance), but that the seller is not required to provide in exchange for the buyer's money. In order to maximize shareholder profit, insurance companies must minimize the claims they pay out while continuing to raise premiums. A Marxist will tell you that's how all of capitalism works (take as much money as possible, give as little in return). I am the farthest thing from a Marxist--still, something's wrong with a system where people are legally mandated by the state to do business with companies whose business model is explicitly to, as often as possible, avoid providing the service that they've contracted to provide. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Alex Chamberlain wrote: This is certainly the line that the insurance industry has been feeding us for a long time. But I've said this before and I'll keep saying it: insurance is the one product in the marketplace that everyone is required to have (i.e. car liability insurance, plus soon health insurance), but that the seller is not required to provide in exchange for the buyer's money. Well, supposedly when ObamaCare kicks in they'll be required to provide us with health insurance in exchange for forcing us to buy it. I wonder how many people will resist that? I grew up with the idea that somebody could take out a mortgage and deduct the interest, while another taxpayer could save up and pay cash for their home and take the standard deduction. The guy without the mortgage pays more in taxes than the guy who took out a mortgage and bought a bigger house. Where I draw the line is when government fines me for not borrowing money to buy a more expensive house by requiring me to pay a special $1000 tax for not having the mortgage. That's where I must make a stand by filing a protest return, the one where I leave the mortgage surtax calculations blank and attach a preparer's note which states that it's none of their business how I paid for my house. Same goes for health care. I can pay as I go or I can buy insurance coverage for it. The minute the feral government says I must buy insurance, not just any insurance but the insurance they want me to buy, or pay a tax is the moment I become a tax protester. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 10:01:09 -0400 Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: you need to come to south florida and start running scams. lots of yachts in this neighborhood! Yes, but are the user-owned or bank-owned? Do we have a yacht bubble? Craig On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Please explain. I only have a kayak. I need to get this going as a yacht would be nice. --R On 8/1/13 12:41 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: doctors just know they want bigger yachts and the details of how don't disturb them. i __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Craig -- Present:'95 E320Sebastian 117 kmi '94 E420Oskar 127 kmi (awaiting parting out) '82 240D/3.0Bluebell 267 kmi (leaking diesel from somewhere in the engine compartment) Past: '86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc Emma '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Because they can. Eli Lilly is one of the worst offenders. Dan On Aug 1, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: for the first time i can recall in my life, you can now have health insurance but still face financial ruin or inability to afford healthcare A friend of mine pays 5 digits in annual medical insurance premiums for a family of four (two fourtysomethigns and two teens). Last year he ran some fingers through a table saw. His coinsurance/copays for the surgeries etc was over $20k. He could pay $20-30k, but it sure messes up the household budget for the next few years. That blogger with the $7k drug that BCBS wants to split 50/50 with him? A comment on his original blog post on the subject said: Canadian pharmacy. Thirty tablets, 100mg, 299.99. Do your due diligence before ordering. US patent expires in 2014 and generics should be available here when it does. If the Canadian government will only let them charge $10 a dose, and they willingly sell it in Canada for that price, why do they have to get $230 each when they sell it in USA? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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+1 Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?] Because they can. Eli Lilly is one of the worst offenders. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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well, competition is supposed to prevent what you described. (gary wrote: avoid providing the service that they've contracted to provide.). IMO when the govt gets involved and the Law of Unintended Consequences take over then all hell-o kicks in. if the insureres could cross state lines for instance, competition would dominate the industry. companies would be chasing the same # of customers and would have to offer superior service - which equates to better pay-outs. i have no idea why these laws were passes (probably to protect someone paying the politicians off) but once a law establishes rules, the whole industry lines up to follow the rules... which is why there has been no attempt to kill these laws. even obamacare is a state limited plan for some crazy reason... Anyway, competition, when allowed to function unfettered (except for anti monopoly laws, and similar) will keep the businesses in line. it always becomes a problem when the govt tries to turn things to a certain way. they've always done it with real estate - offering tax credit for home buyers - why not for renters? because the govt wants property owners... have a great day.. LarryT 91 300D On 8/1/2013 11:36 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: this to me is really the breaking point of the healthcare system as we have it today. what is the point of any kind of insurance? to protect you from financial ruin in case something goes south on you. This is certainly the line that the insurance industry has been feeding us for a long time. But I've said this before and I'll keep saying it: insurance is the one product in the marketplace that everyone is required to have (i.e. car liability insurance, plus soon health insurance), but that the seller is not required to provide in exchange for the buyer's money. In order to maximize shareholder profit, insurance companies must minimize the claims they pay out while continuing to raise premiums. A Marxist will tell you that's how all of capitalism works (take as much money as possible, give as little in return). I am the farthest thing from a Marxist--still, something's wrong with a system where people are legally mandated by the state to do business with companies whose business model is explicitly to, as often as possible, avoid providing the service that they've contracted to provide. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 31/07/2013 6:12 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: On Jul 31, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: How about the fact that food is not quite so organic as it once was. Treated with all sorts of chemicals and subject to all sorts of other environmental issues. Possibly a factor. Our livers process all the stuff we take into our bodies. It is an amazing organ that neutralizes toxins, synthesizes nutrients we lack... If we over exert our liver, yes, we will suffer the effects of mans influence on the food chain. If a person wants to live as healthy a life as possible, the following is a prescription. Don't drink alcohol to excess, no illicit drug use, eliminate tobacco use, eat a healthy diet, grow your own food if possible (don't fertilize with cat crap), exercise strenuously five or six days a week, don't frequent high crime areas (Chicago, Detroit, etc.) and drive a Mercedes Benz. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ I do reasonably well with your list, except for booze, failure to grow my own food, and failure to exercise daily. Uh Oh Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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that canadian pharmacy talk is largely fraud, btw. it certainly is not from a licensed pharmacy in canada but pure 3rd world black market, mostly out of india. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: for the first time i can recall in my life, you can now have health insurance but still face financial ruin or inability to afford healthcare A friend of mine pays 5 digits in annual medical insurance premiums for a family of four (two fourtysomethigns and two teens). Last year he ran some fingers through a table saw. His coinsurance/copays for the surgeries etc was over $20k. He could pay $20-30k, but it sure messes up the household budget for the next few years. That blogger with the $7k drug that BCBS wants to split 50/50 with him? A comment on his original blog post on the subject said: Canadian pharmacy. Thirty tablets, 100mg, 299.99. Do your due diligence before ordering. US patent expires in 2014 and generics should be available here when it does. If the Canadian government will only let them charge $10 a dose, and they willingly sell it in Canada for that price, why do they have to get $230 each when they sell it in USA? Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i'm gonna guess most of this shit is bank owned. they aren't even real sea voyaging people, as far as i can tell. they just go out on a weekend day and get drunk with their friends, screaming and blaring music while basically floating along in the intercoastal. the also each have an amg mercedes and some italian exotic in each driveway, but neither ever more as they just get around in the big SUV. i live in tourist housing, but these people think i am one of them, just an eccentric old white guy from the neighborhood who happens to just get around by bicycle. they are nice enough to me, but i am pretty horrified by their lifestyle. it is unamerican from the perspective of my working class upbringing On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 10:01:09 -0400 Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: you need to come to south florida and start running scams. lots of yachts in this neighborhood! Yes, but are the user-owned or bank-owned? Do we have a yacht bubble? Craig On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Please explain. I only have a kayak. I need to get this going as a yacht would be nice. --R On 8/1/13 12:41 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: doctors just know they want bigger yachts and the details of how don't disturb them. i __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Craig -- Present:'95 E320Sebastian 117 kmi '94 E420Oskar 127 kmi (awaiting parting out) '82 240D/3.0Bluebell 267 kmi (leaking diesel from somewhere in the engine compartment) Past: '86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc Emma '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I missed growing my own food and exercising daily. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?] On 31/07/2013 6:12 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: On Jul 31, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: How about the fact that food is not quite so organic as it once was. Treated with all sorts of chemicals and subject to all sorts of other environmental issues. Possibly a factor. Our livers process all the stuff we take into our bodies. It is an amazing organ that neutralizes toxins, synthesizes nutrients we lack... If we over exert our liver, yes, we will suffer the effects of mans influence on the food chain. If a person wants to live as healthy a life as possible, the following is a prescription. Don't drink alcohol to excess, no illicit drug use, eliminate tobacco use, eat a healthy diet, grow your own food if possible (don't fertilize with cat crap), exercise strenuously five or six days a week, don't frequent high crime areas (Chicago, Detroit, etc.) and drive a Mercedes Benz. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ I do reasonably well with your list, except for booze, failure to grow my own food, and failure to exercise daily. Uh Oh Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If the Canadian government will only let them charge $10 a dose, and they willingly sell it in Canada for that price, why do they have to get $230 each when they sell it in USA? Because they can. If you read all 2,000+ pages of the affordable healthcare act [surely must be a joke name] and the additional 70,000+ pages of affordable healthcare act regulations] written after the act, but under the color of authority, you find that you are forced to purchase it, If you don't IRS will force you to pay taxes extra to cover your non-compliance, that it hires initially some 16,000 new IRS agents and excludes congress, and muslims, as well as some other special groups, but NOWHERE does it say.. Big Pharma will have limits set on how much they can charge for drugs in USA .. amazing.. just amazing.. who woulda thought... Well.. also.. there is the little issue that it does not provide for any new Doctors to handle the estimated 20,000,000 new patients.. [wonder if doctors can handle the overtime?]... Guess, next time congress passes a law, it should read it first? Wait !!! ... Congress is excluded... they have no skin in this game.. free pass... Grant... On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: for the first time i can recall in my life, you can now have health insurance but still face financial ruin or inability to afford healthcare A friend of mine pays 5 digits in annual medical insurance premiums for a family of four (two fourtysomethigns and two teens). Last year he ran some fingers through a table saw. His coinsurance/copays for the surgeries etc was over $20k. He could pay $20-30k, but it sure messes up the household budget for the next few years. That blogger with the $7k drug that BCBS wants to split 50/50 with him? A comment on his original blog post on the subject said: Canadian pharmacy. Thirty tablets, 100mg, 299.99. Do your due diligence before ordering. US patent expires in 2014 and generics should be available here when it does. If the Canadian government will only let them charge $10 a dose, and they willingly sell it in Canada for that price, why do they have to get $230 each when they sell it in USA? Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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drfatty wrote: it's a completely broken country. every system is broken and there is no plan to fix anything Totally. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I will not pay, nor will I seek the care of a doctor that I cannot afford to pay cash. Either that or they will arrest me, seize my property and pay for my care while incarcerated. Mike On Aug 1, 2013 3:23 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: If the Canadian government will only let them charge $10 a dose, and they willingly sell it in Canada for that price, why do they have to get $230 each when they sell it in USA? Because they can. If you read all 2,000+ pages of the affordable healthcare act [surely must be a joke name] and the additional 70,000+ pages of affordable healthcare act regulations] written after the act, but under the color of authority, you find that you are forced to purchase it, If you don't IRS will force you to pay taxes extra to cover your non-compliance, that it hires initially some 16,000 new IRS agents and excludes congress, and muslims, as well as some other special groups, but NOWHERE does it say.. Big Pharma will have limits set on how much they can charge for drugs in USA .. amazing.. just amazing.. who woulda thought... Well.. also.. there is the little issue that it does not provide for any new Doctors to handle the estimated 20,000,000 new patients.. [wonder if doctors can handle the overtime?]... Guess, next time congress passes a law, it should read it first? Wait !!! ... Congress is excluded... they have no skin in this game.. free pass... Grant... On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: for the first time i can recall in my life, you can now have health insurance but still face financial ruin or inability to afford healthcare A friend of mine pays 5 digits in annual medical insurance premiums for a family of four (two fourtysomethigns and two teens). Last year he ran some fingers through a table saw. His coinsurance/copays for the surgeries etc was over $20k. He could pay $20-30k, but it sure messes up the household budget for the next few years. That blogger with the $7k drug that BCBS wants to split 50/50 with him? A comment on his original blog post on the subject said: Canadian pharmacy. Thirty tablets, 100mg, 299.99. Do your due diligence before ordering. US patent expires in 2014 and generics should be available here when it does. If the Canadian government will only let them charge $10 a dose, and they willingly sell it in Canada for that price, why do they have to get $230 each when they sell it in USA? Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch wrote: Yikes, what's the point of having prescription drug insurance if they can do that to you? It is called Death Panel. Doctors do this all the time when they participate in emergency recovery drill such as airplane crash. Individuals are graded as to survivor or not and that is the practice. Death Panel is not new, but when family comes to forefront, cost be damned. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mike wrote: I will not pay, nor will I seek the care of a doctor that I cannot afford to pay cash. Either that or they will arrest me, seize my property and pay for my care while incarcerated. You along with most of okiebenz, it appears. And probably a good portion of the target insurable audience - my kids. No token progressives here lauding the ACA? - Interesting! mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Michael Canfield wrote: I will not pay, nor will I seek the care of a doctor that I cannot afford to pay cash. Either that or they will arrest me, seize my property and pay for my care while incarcerated. So, what are you going to do if the individual mandate isn't postponed or repealed and you're instructed to self-impose a penalty tax on your 1040? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That's a no brainer: obey the law and pay the penalty. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Michael Canfield wrote: I will not pay, nor will I seek the care of a doctor that I cannot afford to pay cash. Either that or they will arrest me, seize my property and pay for my care while incarcerated. So, what are you going to do if the individual mandate isn't postponed or repealed and you're instructed to self-impose a penalty tax on your 1040? Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Andrew Strasfogel wrote: That's a no brainer: obey the law and pay the penalty. No effing way. That would give them the idea that they have the power to us to participate in commerce. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch Haley wrote: That would give them the idea that they have the power to us to participate in commerce. Crap. Accidentally deleted half of that and missed a word when retyping. That would give them the idea that they have the power to ORDER us to participate in commerce. (commerce that isn't even interstate, by the way) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Oh, but they do! The Republican majority Supreme Court upheld Obamacare so it's the law of the land. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Andrew Strasfogel wrote: That's a no brainer: obey the law and pay the penalty. No effing way. That would give them the idea that they have the power to us to participate in commerce. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Oh, but they do! The Republican majority Supreme Court upheld Obamacare so it's the law of the land. That's what they say. Doesn't mean I (or apparently Canfield or Gordon) have much intention of allowing it. Obama, Pelosi, et al said it's not a tax. Department of Justice argued that it was valid under Congressional authority to lay and collect taxes. SCOTUS agreed with the 'it's a tax, therefore it's OK' theory. I already said what I was going to do, file a tax return that explicitly states my spending habits are none of their business. Probably add a comment about my Fourth Amendment privacy rights in accordance with Roe V. Wade. I just wondered if Mike had any plans on what he was going to do. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That's a no brainer: obey the law and pay the penalty. You are assuming that obummercare is a law. It is NOT. (this is where Mao chimes in to tell you the paper that makes the case that it is not a law.) Even though it is not a law, the gummit will attempt to enforce it as if it were a law. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I am not going to pay, period. They will probably try to sieze my personal property, I sold it all already, on paper. Mike On Aug 1, 2013 5:03 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Oh, but they do! The Republican majority Supreme Court upheld Obamacare so it's the law of the land. That's what they say. Doesn't mean I (or apparently Canfield or Gordon) have much intention of allowing it. Obama, Pelosi, et al said it's not a tax. Department of Justice argued that it was valid under Congressional authority to lay and collect taxes. SCOTUS agreed with the 'it's a tax, therefore it's OK' theory. I already said what I was going to do, file a tax return that explicitly states my spending habits are none of their business. Probably add a comment about my Fourth Amendment privacy rights in accordance with Roe V. Wade. I just wondered if Mike had any plans on what he was going to do. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Actually, yes or at least we did. I have a cousin who is a successful builder (mostly residential). He also owns a couple large marinas and a yacht or two. For his vacation he works as a yacht repo guy. Typically he and some buds fly to Florida, the Bahamas, or some such, seize a yacht, ensure it is seaworthy, and return it to the lender. Apparently it's pretty good money for a cruising experience he would otherwise pay for. Knowing several incidents where auto or home repo led to violence, I asked about that. He told me that violence by the ownersis not a problem. The owners, who are all in default, are generally so overextended that they are glad to be rid of the boat. Often these owners lack the ability to return the vessel and the boat doesn't generate additional debts after it's been repossessed. -Original Message- On 1 Aug Craig sent: Do we have a yacht bubble? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 01/08/2013 5:14 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: Actually, yes or at least we did. I have a cousin who is a successful builder (mostly residential). He also owns a couple large marinas and a yacht or two. For his vacation he works as a yacht repo guy. Typically he and some buds fly to Florida, the Bahamas, or some such, seize a yacht, ensure it is seaworthy, and return it to the lender. Apparently it's pretty good money for a cruising experience he would otherwise pay for. Knowing several incidents where auto or home repo led to violence, I asked about that. He told me that violence by the ownersis not a problem. The owners, who are all in default, are generally so overextended that they are glad to be rid of the boat. Often these owners lack the ability to return the vessel and the boat doesn't generate additional debts after it's been repossessed. -Original Message- On 1 Aug Craig sent: Do we have a yacht bubble? ___ I would guess there is a toy bubble. Boats, motor homes etc appear to be cheap in the USA these days. A lot of the boats advertised here in the GWN have US ID #'s on the bow. I assume some of my countrymen go south and buy them cheap and haul them home to resell. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes. And that was a great disappointment, like Dread Scott. -Original Message- On Aug 1 Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Oh, but they do! The Republican majority Supreme Court upheld Obamacare so it's the law of the land. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 18:24:51 -0400 Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: On Aug 1 Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Oh, but they do! The Republican majority Supreme Court upheld Obamacare so it's the law of the land. Yes. And that was a great disappointment, like Dread Scott. And it is another way the ACA is illegal. Spending/taxing bills must originate in the House. The ACA originated in the Senate. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 18:14:37 -0400 Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Actually, yes or at least we did. I have a cousin who is a successful builder (mostly residential). He also owns a couple large marinas and a yacht or two. For his vacation he works as a yacht repo guy. Typically he and some buds fly to Florida, the Bahamas, or some such, seize a yacht, ensure it is seaworthy, and return it to the lender. Apparently it's pretty good money for a cruising experience he would otherwise pay for. That sounds like a lot of fun. Wish I could take part Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It's pretty plain that legality and constitutionality were not overriding considerations when the Supremes ruled on PPACA. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 6:38 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?] On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 18:24:51 -0400 Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: On Aug 1 Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Oh, but they do! The Republican majority Supreme Court upheld Obamacare so it's the law of the land. Yes. And that was a great disappointment, like Dread Scott. And it is another way the ACA is illegal. Spending/taxing bills must originate in the House. The ACA originated in the Senate. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch wrote: That's what they say. Doesn't mean I (or apparently Canfield or Gordon) have much intention of allowing it. Oh, WOW!! My intentions preceed me!! It is amazing sometimes how much is said and then I forget I said it, so you already know. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mike wrote: I am not going to pay, period. They will probably try to sieze my personal property, I sold it all already, on paper. The personal property at this residence is all old useless being used property of no use to anyone but the dump. Nice old stuff, none of it of any value, I'm sure - Dieselhead has visited here. Yeah, they'd make a bundle selling this junque at auction. And then spend 10x trying to house me as vagrant. Or is this when the Death Panel steps in and drives up with the black suburban and opens fire. Armageddon. The greatest fascist state on the planet. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Craig wrote: And it is another way the ACA is illegal. Spending/taxing bills must originate in the House. The ACA originated in the Senate. Thanks. Nice. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Nobody cares what is legal and what is not anymore. I guess they can just do whatever they want. So if it is the law, the president does not have the authority to delay the implementation of his law, or cherry pick what to enforce and what to not. Its supposedly the law so he has no right to delay it until after the elections. On 8/1/2013 5:38 PM, Craig wrote: On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 18:24:51 -0400 Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: On Aug 1 Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Oh, but they do! The Republican majority Supreme Court upheld Obamacare so it's the law of the land. Yes. And that was a great disappointment, like Dread Scott. And it is another way the ACA is illegal. Spending/taxing bills must originate in the House. The ACA originated in the Senate. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3209/6544 - Release Date: 08/01/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mountain Man wrote: Mitch wrote: That's what they say. Doesn't mean I (or apparently Canfield or Gordon) have much intention of allowing it. Oh, WOW!! My intentions preceed me!! It is amazing sometimes how much is said and then I forget I said it, so you already know. mao Did I guess wrong, or were you planning on buying gov't subsidized health insurance, or paying extra taxes for not buying it? From the sounds of it, it might come out pretty much free if you buy it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch wrote: Did I guess wrong, or were you planning on buying gov't subsidized health insurance, or paying extra taxes for not buying it? From the sounds of it, it might come out pretty much free if you buy it. You said things correctly, which is fine. And, nope, I don't plan on spending $$ on ACA. I don't file taxes either, so no fines. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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To all who have given great comments on this topic (not Roger, but the ACA)... I think you'll find that the bill did originate in the House, but the Senate (Reid with Pelosi's help) gutted the House bill and dropped in ACA. Once mistakenly passed by the Senate, it goes to House conference or some such. The big problem today is that Speaker Boehner needs to grow a set. He let the ACA mess get by and now he's trying to slip in amnesty under the guise of the dream act. Check the details and try not to throw up too much. No, there is no law enforcement today. That's why our incompetent leader put Holder in as AG, to cover his back with all the law breaking/bending that he's doing. The House needs to start multiple impeachment hearings. Harry Reid has stopped all House bills he doesn't like, but yet the Republicans are being obstructionists. Let's get real for a moment. The USA is rapidly becoming a third world country. I spend a good amount of time calling and emailing both my representatives and others about the mess and destruction they are allowing. I en courage all of you to do the same. This forum is a good place to vent, but it accomplishes little outside this forum. Each of you needs to bring pressure on your representatives. If they think they'll lose power, they'll act, otherwise, they'll take the easy route and keep their salary and excellent benefits which all of us as taxpayers are footing the bill for, while excluding themselves from the messes they impose on us. I'll get down off my soap box now. But each of you needs to mount your horse and ride out to tell everyone that the idiots are coming (pardon the reference to the British). And please do so before we are all destitute. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Monroe, Ga. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Roger wrote: Each of you needs to bring pressure on your representatives. This assumes a functional system. No $$, no voice - see SCOTUS decision about $$/persons. I agree with one guy I read - look for a military coup. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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IOW he's a pirate. Aagh! --R (sent from my miniPad) On Aug 1, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 18:14:37 -0400 Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Actually, yes or at least we did. I have a cousin who is a successful builder (mostly residential). He also owns a couple large marinas and a yacht or two. For his vacation he works as a yacht repo guy. Typically he and some buds fly to Florida, the Bahamas, or some such, seize a yacht, ensure it is seaworthy, and return it to the lender. Apparently it's pretty good money for a cruising experience he would otherwise pay for. That sounds like a lot of fun. Wish I could take part Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mountain Man wrote: Roger wrote: Each of you needs to bring pressure on your representatives. This assumes a functional system. No $$, no voice - see SCOTUS decision about $$/persons. I agree with one guy I read - look for a military coup. I emailed both of my communist Senators and my socialist ex-representative well in advance of the passage of ACA, but they did the expected thing anyway. Thanks to Roger for reminding me that my current neoconservative representative needs to be informed that House passage of any retroactive reward system for criminal invasion of this country will result in the long overdue death of the Repugnant Party. I've wanted to get rid of the RINOs since before the TEA Party, and if Boner and friends screw the conservative voters over illegal aliens I think enough of them can finally be convinced that the Rs aren't really any different from the Ds. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think enough of them can finally be convinced that the Rs aren't really any different from the Ds. Mitch. Ja, der's a difference. One set is marxist, leninist mao lovin facists. The other set is insecure socialist facist pigs. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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my thought is not so much curing cancer as preventing it. i think i've read that half of us in the USA are expected to get cancer in our lifetime. this basically means getting cancer is normal, which seems obscene to me and not consistent with my understanding of the historical record On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: You can't yet think of a cure for cancer as that is not really how it works (sorta, with some exceptions, sorta). The idea is to beat it down and keep it down if possible, which, sadly, is not yet generally possible. Progress is measured in very small incremental steps measured in fractions of a percent in 1year, 5 year, etc. survival. It does add up though. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jul 30, 2013, at 10:57 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 21:24:46 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Sure hope nobody hoped he got it. All kidding aside that sucks and you would have thought they would have found a cure by now. Cancer is a tough nut to crack. Normal cells have surface friction that helps hold them in place. The surfaces of cancer cells have much reduced surface friction; that's why they can travel around on their own (or as the medical types say, metastasize). I read something in the last week or so about some breakthrough, but I don't remember exactly what it was. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i think i've read that half of us in the USA are expected to get cancer in our lifetime. That is correct. I attribute it to people living longer in general. Other causes of morbidity have been eliminated, so what remains to be conquered becomes predominant. Lifestyle changes are the key in reducing other factors leading to disease. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think increases in cancer are a misleading statistic. I do not disagree that there is a lot of cancer out there but a lot of it went un-noticed before more modern testing practices made it easier to find. Many folks may have led a decent life if the tumor had been just left alone rather than being subjected to chemo and radiation. I also consider the idea that we subject ourselves to genetically modified crops in our food, oil based plastics and clothing everywhere, more air polution, poorer diet overall, phamaceutical drugs, illegal drugs, and on and on on a much larger scale than say even 50 years ago. Seems like that can't be good and may be linked to a rise, if there is one, in cancer rates. I know I hate seeing my friends and family suffer with it when I believe there is a cure and/or a way to prevent it in the first place in an all natural way. Cancer sucks. Greedy @#$%#?@ people that keep people from a potential cure over tax money suck worse. Mike On Jul 31, 2013 12:45 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i think i've read that half of us in the USA are expected to get cancer in our lifetime. That is correct. I attribute it to people living longer in general. Other causes of morbidity have been eliminated, so what remains to be conquered becomes predominant. Lifestyle changes are the key in reducing other factors leading to disease. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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People (in the developed world) are living longer than ever, so all that stuff you mention arguably does not have a big effect on anything, and might even be increasing life expectancy. I really don't worry about that stuff as it is more than offset by improvements in things that contribute to longevity. Cancer is becoming more prevalent due to most of the other things that would kill you (heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, cholesterol, etc.) are pretty much a non-factor with proper care and medication. So, people live longer than they would have otherwise, and now have the opportunity to develop cancers when before they would have been dead from something else. (That ignores those things that would arise in any case from other factors at a younger age) Some of it is lifestyle, some is genetics, some is access to medical care, some is environmental, some is just shit happens (which is probably some combination of the above). If you are a black woman in SC you have a higher chance of developing breast cancer than a professional white woman in Boston -- food, genetics, health care, lifestyle, etc. Again, cure is not generally a word that applies to cancer except in some limited circumstances/diseases. Right now hepatitis C is the biggest factor in the rise of cancer (collectively) -- leads to liver cancer and that will pretty much kill you sooner or later -- and hepC is on the rise. So, avoid things that give you hepC (illegal drug use, tattoos, raw seafood, other things), get tested regularly for that and other things, and live your life by eating well, exercising, living well (which is not entirely money-dependent), and having fun. I don't know what you mean about that greed and tax money thing, it is a very complicated set of issues. --R On 7/31/13 1:00 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: I think increases in cancer are a misleading statistic. I do not disagree that there is a lot of cancer out there but a lot of it went un-noticed before more modern testing practices made it easier to find. Many folks may have led a decent life if the tumor had been just left alone rather than being subjected to chemo and radiation. I also consider the idea that we subject ourselves to genetically modified crops in our food, oil based plastics and clothing everywhere, more air polution, poorer diet overall, phamaceutical drugs, illegal drugs, and on and on on a much larger scale than say even 50 years ago. Seems like that can't be good and may be linked to a rise, if there is one, in cancer rates. I know I hate seeing my friends and family suffer with it when I believe there is a cure and/or a way to prevent it in the first place in an all natural way. Cancer sucks. Greedy @#$%#?@ people that keep people from a potential cure over tax money suck worse. Mike On Jul 31, 2013 12:45 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i think i've read that half of us in the USA are expected to get cancer in our lifetime. That is correct. I attribute it to people living longer in general. Other causes of morbidity have been eliminated, so what remains to be conquered becomes predominant. Lifestyle changes are the key in reducing other factors leading to disease. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Bad seafood leads to Hep A. I got same from eating tainted clams in Piraeus back in 1973. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: People (in the developed world) are living longer than ever, so all that stuff you mention arguably does not have a big effect on anything, and might even be increasing life expectancy. I really don't worry about that stuff as it is more than offset by improvements in things that contribute to longevity. Cancer is becoming more prevalent due to most of the other things that would kill you (heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, cholesterol, etc.) are pretty much a non-factor with proper care and medication. So, people live longer than they would have otherwise, and now have the opportunity to develop cancers when before they would have been dead from something else. (That ignores those things that would arise in any case from other factors at a younger age) Some of it is lifestyle, some is genetics, some is access to medical care, some is environmental, some is just shit happens (which is probably some combination of the above). If you are a black woman in SC you have a higher chance of developing breast cancer than a professional white woman in Boston -- food, genetics, health care, lifestyle, etc. Again, cure is not generally a word that applies to cancer except in some limited circumstances/diseases. Right now hepatitis C is the biggest factor in the rise of cancer (collectively) -- leads to liver cancer and that will pretty much kill you sooner or later -- and hepC is on the rise. So, avoid things that give you hepC (illegal drug use, tattoos, raw seafood, other things), get tested regularly for that and other things, and live your life by eating well, exercising, living well (which is not entirely money-dependent), and having fun. I don't know what you mean about that greed and tax money thing, it is a very complicated set of issues. --R On 7/31/13 1:00 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: I think increases in cancer are a misleading statistic. I do not disagree that there is a lot of cancer out there but a lot of it went un-noticed before more modern testing practices made it easier to find. Many folks may have led a decent life if the tumor had been just left alone rather than being subjected to chemo and radiation. I also consider the idea that we subject ourselves to genetically modified crops in our food, oil based plastics and clothing everywhere, more air polution, poorer diet overall, phamaceutical drugs, illegal drugs, and on and on on a much larger scale than say even 50 years ago. Seems like that can't be good and may be linked to a rise, if there is one, in cancer rates. I know I hate seeing my friends and family suffer with it when I believe there is a cure and/or a way to prevent it in the first place in an all natural way. Cancer sucks. Greedy @#$%#?@ people that keep people from a potential cure over tax money suck worse. Mike On Jul 31, 2013 12:45 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i think i've read that half of us in the USA are expected to get cancer in our lifetime. That is correct. I attribute it to people living longer in general. Other causes of morbidity have been eliminated, so what remains to be conquered becomes predominant. Lifestyle changes are the key in reducing other factors leading to disease. Rick Sent from my iPhone __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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it may be longevity and better detection methods, but it may also be somewhat due to the food we eat, where we live and the air we breathe. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.comwrote: On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i think i've read that half of us in the USA are expected to get cancer in our lifetime. That is correct. I attribute it to people living longer in general. Other causes of morbidity have been eliminated, so what remains to be conquered becomes predominant. Lifestyle changes are the key in reducing other factors leading to disease. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 31/07/2013 11:44 AM, Rick Knoble wrote: On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i think i've read that half of us in the USA are expected to get cancer in our lifetime. That is correct. I attribute it to people living longer in general. Other causes of morbidity have been eliminated, so what remains to be conquered becomes predominant. Lifestyle changes are the key in reducing other factors leading to disease. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ How about the fact that food is not quite so organic as it once was. Treated with all sorts of chemicals and subject to all sorts of other environmental issues. The Lord only knows what we are eating and what it does to us. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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it's like dogs. all our dogs seem to die of cancer, so we conclude that dogs are prone to cancer. then we wonder why dogs in other places seem to live longer and have less cancer but can't quite get ourselves to accept that maybe it is that we feed the dogs more carcinogens than they do in other places my feeling is that most disease is diet related On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 31/07/2013 11:44 AM, Rick Knoble wrote: On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i think i've read that half of us in the USA are expected to get cancer in our lifetime. That is correct. I attribute it to people living longer in general. Other causes of morbidity have been eliminated, so what remains to be conquered becomes predominant. Lifestyle changes are the key in reducing other factors leading to disease. Rick Sent from my iPhone __**_ How about the fact that food is not quite so organic as it once was. Treated with all sorts of chemicals and subject to all sorts of other environmental issues. The Lord only knows what we are eating and what it does to us. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Again, people are living longer than ever before, eating whatever they eat. That even goes for the poor black women in SC who generally eat crap fried stuff, just like people here have done for 400 years here, and weigh 300+lb, and develop cancer (mostly breast for women) among other diseases like diabetes that complicates the cancer. It is really bad among the black folks, due to poor medical care, diet, lifestyle, etc. but even with that they are living longer (although there are exceptions -- a black guy I knew, my age who died of throat cancer a coupla years ago [probably due to his fondness for smoking local dope] told me his grandmother, who had been a slave, lived to be 113 years old, and her sister was 110, and generally healthy until they died). Rick has it right, but it also pays to watch what you eat, exercise, etc. Even then it might get you reasonably young, like friends I have had who were in better physical condition than 95% of the population. Go figure. --R On 7/31/13 5:31 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 31/07/2013 11:44 AM, Rick Knoble wrote: On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i think i've read that half of us in the USA are expected to get cancer in our lifetime. That is correct. I attribute it to people living longer in general. Other causes of morbidity have been eliminated, so what remains to be conquered becomes predominant. Lifestyle changes are the key in reducing other factors leading to disease. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ How about the fact that food is not quite so organic as it once was. Treated with all sorts of chemicals and subject to all sorts of other environmental issues. The Lord only knows what we are eating and what it does to us. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jul 31, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: How about the fact that food is not quite so organic as it once was. Treated with all sorts of chemicals and subject to all sorts of other environmental issues. Possibly a factor. Our livers process all the stuff we take into our bodies. It is an amazing organ that neutralizes toxins, synthesizes nutrients we lack... If we over exert our liver, yes, we will suffer the effects of mans influence on the food chain. If a person wants to live as healthy a life as possible, the following is a prescription. Don't drink alcohol to excess, no illicit drug use, eliminate tobacco use, eat a healthy diet, grow your own food if possible (don't fertilize with cat crap), exercise strenuously five or six days a week, don't frequent high crime areas (Chicago, Detroit, etc.) and drive a Mercedes Benz. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mike wrote: Many folks may have led a decent life if the tumor had been just left alone rather than being subjected to chemo and radiation. Cancer sucks. Greedy @#$%#?@ people that keep people from a potential cure over tax money suck worse. My wife's cousin had cancerous leg amputated. 6-months later he was dead, as the cancer spread via circulatory system, or somesuch... 30-years ago. Cure is heinous hope. Death is the cure, and there is no hope against death, well... not unless you want to dialog banned material here at okiebenz... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rick wrote: If a person wants to live as healthy a life as possible... Your list forgot one important health care element. Do Not visit the health care system. The objective of health care is Not to provide cure or treatment - their objective is to find problems. Not unlike I do with my 3-pedal W123. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I am of the opinion that the treatment is much worse than allowing the person to make their peace. The chemicals and radiation kill the patient unless it is stage one. All the treatment seems to do is to keep the victim on the edge of death while insurance companies payout the mightily overpriced procedures. The drugs are pushed as generic treatment, instead of being used in a targeted fashion for specific cancers. If there were to ever be a cure, that would ruin the cancer economy of drugs, nurses, treatment centers, and research programs. Much like the snit the Kalifornia energy companies are tossing over rooftop PV ruining their profits because there is not cash flowing in for them. Or the idiocy of the Republicans shooting down astroid capture. Do they not have any idea the profits big mining will reap when they figure out how to do it? Kill the golden goose, and there goes your cash for future elections. Those astroid miners would pay handsomely to get their hands on that stuff. rant over clay On Jul 31, 2013, at 4:18 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Mike wrote: Many folks may have led a decent life if the tumor had been just left alone rather than being subjected to chemo and radiation. Cancer sucks. Greedy @#$%#?@ people that keep people from a potential cure over tax money suck worse. My wife's cousin had cancerous leg amputated. 6-months later he was dead, as the cancer spread via circulatory system, or somesuch... 30-years ago. Cure is heinous hope. Death is the cure, and there is no hope against death, well... not unless you want to dialog banned material here at okiebenz... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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clay wrote: I am of the opinion that the treatment is much worse than allowing the person to make their peace. That is the route my wife has settled in her mind after watching her mom die 20 years ago. That stuff is waaay to unaffordable. Eat right and make peace. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]
Part of the mentality is that family of cancer patients, especially older ones, want everything possible done to keep granny alive for a few more weeks or months. They push the docs and they system to do more more more when it really won't help, but the docs have to pretty much go with the desires of the family or there will be hell to pay. And then there is the part that if medicare or whatever is paying for it, well I have made it clear that when it is my time, everyone can take me out in the woods and tie me to a tree and I will be happy. --R On 7/31/13 7:57 PM, clay wrote: I am of the opinion that the treatment is much worse than allowing the person to make their peace. The chemicals and radiation kill the patient unless it is stage one. All the treatment seems to do is to keep the victim on the edge of death while insurance companies payout the mightily overpriced procedures. The drugs are pushed as generic treatment, instead of being used in a targeted fashion for specific cancers. If there were to ever be a cure, that would ruin the cancer economy of drugs, nurses, treatment centers, and research programs. Much like the snit the Kalifornia energy companies are tossing over rooftop PV ruining their profits because there is not cash flowing in for them. Or the idiocy of the Republicans shooting down astroid capture. Do they not have any idea the profits big mining will reap when they figure out how to do it? Kill the golden goose, and there goes your cash for future elections. Those astroid miners would pay handsomely to get their hands on that stuff. rant over clay On Jul 31, 2013, at 4:18 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Mike wrote: Many folks may have led a decent life if the tumor had been just left alone rather than being subjected to chemo and radiation. Cancer sucks. Greedy @#$%#?@ people that keep people from a potential cure over tax money suck worse. My wife's cousin had cancerous leg amputated. 6-months later he was dead, as the cancer spread via circulatory system, or somesuch... 30-years ago. Cure is heinous hope. Death is the cure, and there is no hope against death, well... not unless you want to dialog banned material here at okiebenz... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]
the exploitation of medicare is monumental down here. anytime an old person has a headache or stomach ache, $200k plus is spent on medical care. many of the elderly enjoy the attention and feel participation is worthwhile, but spending 7 figures a year on someone who is not even actually in need of medical attention is entirely unsustainable. doctors just know they want bigger yachts and the details of how don't disturb them. it's a completely broken country. every system is broken and there is no plan to fix anything On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Part of the mentality is that family of cancer patients, especially older ones, want everything possible done to keep granny alive for a few more weeks or months. They push the docs and they system to do more more more when it really won't help, but the docs have to pretty much go with the desires of the family or there will be hell to pay. And then there is the part that if medicare or whatever is paying for it, well I have made it clear that when it is my time, everyone can take me out in the woods and tie me to a tree and I will be happy. --R On 7/31/13 7:57 PM, clay wrote: I am of the opinion that the treatment is much worse than allowing the person to make their peace. The chemicals and radiation kill the patient unless it is stage one. All the treatment seems to do is to keep the victim on the edge of death while insurance companies payout the mightily overpriced procedures. The drugs are pushed as generic treatment, instead of being used in a targeted fashion for specific cancers. If there were to ever be a cure, that would ruin the cancer economy of drugs, nurses, treatment centers, and research programs. Much like the snit the Kalifornia energy companies are tossing over rooftop PV ruining their profits because there is not cash flowing in for them. Or the idiocy of the Republicans shooting down astroid capture. Do they not have any idea the profits big mining will reap when they figure out how to do it? Kill the golden goose, and there goes your cash for future elections. Those astroid miners would pay handsomely to get their hands on that stuff. rant over clay On Jul 31, 2013, at 4:18 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Mike wrote: Many folks may have led a decent life if the tumor had been just left alone rather than being subjected to chemo and radiation. Cancer sucks. Greedy @#$%#?@ people that keep people from a potential cure over tax money suck worse. My wife's cousin had cancerous leg amputated. 6-months later he was dead, as the cancer spread via circulatory system, or somesuch... 30-years ago. Cure is heinous hope. Death is the cure, and there is no hope against death, well... not unless you want to dialog banned material here at okiebenz... mao __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]
Craig diese...@pisquared.net writes: I read something in the last week or so about some breakthrough, but I don't remember exactly what it was. I happened to see this a few weeks back https://asunews.asu.edu/20130712_pauldavies_cancer_research A couple of excerpts: We envisage cancer as the execution of an ancient program pre-loaded into the genomes of all cells ... a throwback to an ancestral phenotype. The new theory predicts that as cancer progresses through more and more malignant stages, it will express genes that are more deeply conserved among multicellular organisms, and so are in some sense more ancient. This could provide clues to future treatments. For example, when life took the momentous step from single cells to multicellular assemblages, Earth had low levels of oxygen. Sure enough, cancer reverts to an ancient form of metabolism called fermentation, which can supply energy with little need for oxygen, although it requires lots of sugar. That last paragraph in particular seemed interesting... most contemporary diets are very high in sugar/carb intake, between the addition of sugar or corn syrup to almost all processed foods and the high amounts of carbs most people eat. Perhaps that creates conditions favorable to cancer, as well as tending to trigger diabetes over the long term. -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]
You can't yet think of a cure for cancer as that is not really how it works (sorta, with some exceptions, sorta). The idea is to beat it down and keep it down if possible, which, sadly, is not yet generally possible. Progress is measured in very small incremental steps measured in fractions of a percent in 1year, 5 year, etc. survival. It does add up though. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jul 30, 2013, at 10:57 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 21:24:46 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Sure hope nobody hoped he got it. All kidding aside that sucks and you would have thought they would have found a cure by now. Cancer is a tough nut to crack. Normal cells have surface friction that helps hold them in place. The surfaces of cancer cells have much reduced surface friction; that's why they can travel around on their own (or as the medical types say, metastasize). I read something in the last week or so about some breakthrough, but I don't remember exactly what it was. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]
Look up Rick Simpson Oil. Mike On Jul 30, 2013 10:57 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 21:24:46 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Sure hope nobody hoped he got it. All kidding aside that sucks and you would have thought they would have found a cure by now. Cancer is a tough nut to crack. Normal cells have surface friction that helps hold them in place. The surfaces of cancer cells have much reduced surface friction; that's why they can travel around on their own (or as the medical types say, metastasize). I read something in the last week or so about some breakthrough, but I don't remember exactly what it was. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
