Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes

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> On Oct 29, 2017, at 10:59 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
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> This is the $800 240D?
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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

This is the $800 240D?
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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It’s been sitting for a week cold. Just finished the adjustment. Took me a 
couple of valves to get back in the groove of it. It’s probably been 10 years 
since I have done a valve adjustment on one of these. I looked at chain stretch 
and it is right on the mark at tdc, so no chain stretch. Cams lobs look like 
new. Amazing. Anyway, I am looking at the belts now and they actually look 
good, but I am thinking I need to replace them as well.

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On Oct 28, 2017, at 2:38 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

>> Kaleb wrote:
> 
>> So I can look it up but am lazy. What is the intake and exhaust
>> specs supposed to be? Also I am trying to remember if it’s best
>> to do it on a warm or cold engine. I seem to recall I have
>> always done it cold.
> 
> Cold.  Like "sit all night" cold.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Kaleb wrote:

> So I can look it up but am lazy. What is the intake and exhaust
> specs supposed to be? 

0.1 mm intake,  0.35 mm exhaust

or 0.004 inch intake, 0.014 inch exhaust.



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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Kaleb wrote:

> So I can look it up but am lazy. What is the intake and exhaust
> specs supposed to be? Also I am trying to remember if it’s best
> to do it on a warm or cold engine. I seem to recall I have
> always done it cold.

Cold.  Like "sit all night" cold.


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Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment on 240d

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

90 minues labor iirc.  Around $150 these days, + parts.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Bob via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I just adjusted my valves before the cold air moves in for the season. 1983
>  240D needed it bad,its been 30 K since I did last.  It took me 3 hrs
> taking  my time & cleaning parts as I go along. Got MB rubber gasket for
> $12 from
>  stealership. Question is : what is the going cost for this job by the
> mechanic ?  Just curious as to how much I saved..
>
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Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment on 240d

[Bob via Mercedes]

I just adjusted my valves before the cold air moves in for the season. 1983 
 240D needed it bad,its been 30 K since I did last.  It took me 3 hrs 
taking  my time & cleaning parts as I go along. Got MB rubber gasket for $12 
from 
 stealership. Question is : what is the going cost for this job by the  
mechanic ?  Just curious as to how much I saved..
 
Bob
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Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment, OM617

[Hans Neureiter]

Cold engine 0.10 mm intake (temps below -20 C 0,05 mm), 0.35 mm exhaust

On 11/22/08, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sorry folks I know I have asked, and had answered, this question before,
> but I can't recall what the intake and exhaust clearances are for the
> OM617.
>
> I'm going to adjust mine this weekend if possible, the falling
> temperatures have not brought any starting difficulty, but I have been
> negligent here and let it go for too long.
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment, latex gloves

[archer]

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From: "Glenn Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:25 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Valve adjustment, latex gloves


> Yes, I use latex gloves for this type of MB repair as the black Delvac 
> 1300S
> would otherwise probably be present for some time.
> If there's a trick to valve adjustment on our diesels, I found that 
> setting
> things just a little loose and then tightening down the locknuts with the
> special wrenches while trying not to allow the top nut to move will get
> things just about right.  The problem is it took me ~9-10 valves to get 
> the
> hang of this.
>
> G. M. Brown
> Brevard, NC
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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment, latex gloves

[Kevin Kraly]

That's just how I did it.  I would leave a little extra clearance knowing 
that it would get tighter as the locknut was torqued down.  This is why the 
last few went MUCH more quickly for me.

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula 


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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

[E M]

So you're the guy making a mess of all the walls and mailboxes in my area??


Ed
300E

On 06/02/2008, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>  I wear them until
> they tear, and then save them to wear on one hand when using rattle
> cans of spray paint, to avoid the telltale backsplash onto the tips of
> the fingers.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Feb 6, 2008 6:11 AM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Latex gloves are thin and weak you want nitrile gloves. They're blue, much 
> thicker and resist most chemicals.
> I've got some I bought a Home Depot a year ago that are still in remarkably 
> good shape for being worn 4-6 times.
> Last weekend I discovered Chemtool B-12 carb cleaner eats 'em
>

Second the vote for nitrile gloves.  Big difference from regular
medical-style latex.

I've been happy with some that I ordered from www.toolprice.com.  I
have NOT been happy with the Harbor Freight ones---this seems like one
of the cases where HF stuff, no matter how cheap, is too crummy to be
worth it.

As Clay notes, a few chemicals will still weaken nitrile---I just
found out PVC cement does!---but they will keep oil, grease, diesel,
and gasoline off your skin just fine.  Great way to pack bearings
without getting grease so far under your fingernails that, like Kevin
said, you're still digging it out two years later.  I wear them until
they tear, and then save them to wear on one hand when using rattle
cans of spray paint, to avoid the telltale backsplash onto the tips of
the fingers.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al.

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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment, latex gloves

[Loren Faeth]

yep, there is an art to setting them so that the gap is right after 
the lock nut is tightened down.  After I set them, I always spin the 
cam around one more time, rechecking each valve as the cam 
turns.  When I can get all the way around without having to reset 
any, then I figure I am done.

At 09:25 AM 2/6/2008, you wrote:
>Yes, I use latex gloves for this type of MB repair as the black Delvac 1300S
>would otherwise probably be present for some time.
>If there's a trick to valve adjustment on our diesels, I found that setting
>things just a little loose and then tightening down the locknuts with the
>special wrenches while trying not to allow the top nut to move will get
>things just about right.  The problem is it took me ~9-10 valves to get the
>hang of this.
>
>G. M. Brown
>Brevard, NC
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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

[LarryT]

I buy latex gloves at Costco - 3 boxes of 50 pair for <$10.  I started 
wearing them when working with POR15 - then got into the habit of wearing 
them when working on my cars  -  it makes things much cleaner !

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From: "Timothy Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment


> My "indies," Gary and son, Todd... first time I took the car into their
> shop, Todd snaps on these "rectal exam gloves" and said, "What seems to be
> the problem?" It's a running joke now... but they do perform repairs with
> those latex gloves to keep their hands clean. I made some joke about,
> "Fist..." well... I found out they were quite reasonable and they 
> discovered
> I had a warped sense of humor.
>
>> From: "Kevin Kraly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 20:29:12 -0800
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment
>>
>> 1st time
>> I've done this by myself, what a bear
>>
>> I call it "bonding."
>
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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

[Curt Raymond]

Latex gloves are thin and weak you want nitrile gloves. They're blue, much 
thicker and resist most chemicals.
I've got some I bought a Home Depot a year ago that are still in remarkably 
good shape for being worn 4-6 times.
Last weekend I discovered Chemtool B-12 carb cleaner eats 'em

-Curt

Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 21:06:46 -0800
From: "Kevin Kraly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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 reply-type=original

I like the latex glove idea since I have a few pairs lying around the
 house. 
That last valve adjustment got my hands quite greasy (wouldnt be
 surprised 
if there was still some under my fingernails two years later :D)!  I
 haven't 
gotten around to doing the job on the '83 'SD, and my wrenches are
 still 
buried somewhere deep within!

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula 

   
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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

[Rich Thomas]

You should use the nitrile gloves -- latex doesn't really hold up very 
well, and the nitrile blocks off a lot of nasty stuff.

--R

Mitch Haley wrote:
> archer wrote:
>   
>> That's a good idea.  A big box of gloves are fairly cheap at Walgreens.
>> 
>
> Yeah, I buy them $6 a hundred at Harbor Freight, and the last 80 die in
> the box of old age 3-5 years after I buy them. Gotta use them more. 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

[Mitch Haley]

archer wrote:
> 
> That's a good idea.  A big box of gloves are fairly cheap at Walgreens.

Yeah, I buy them $6 a hundred at Harbor Freight, and the last 80 die in
the box of old age 3-5 years after I buy them. Gotta use them more. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

[archer]

That's a good idea.  A big box of gloves are fairly cheap at Walgreens.
Gerry
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- Original Message - 
From: "Timothy Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> My "indies," Gary and son, Todd... first time I took the car into their
> shop, Todd snaps on these "rectal exam gloves" and said, "What seems to be 
> the problem?" It's a running joke now... but they do perform repairs with 
> those latex gloves to keep their hands clean. I made some joke about,
> "Fist..." well... I found out they were quite reasonable and they 
> discovered I had a warped sense of humor.

>> From: "Kevin Kraly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> 1st time
>> I've done this by myself, what a bear
>> I call it "bonding."


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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

[Timothy Robinson]

I gotta get on the ball... send soap to OKDon like I promised and mail that
Beta to Phillip in MO... THEN...


I might send a box of my soap to Kaleb and let ask him to toss a bar of the
homemade lye soap in with each order so you can all marvel at it's wonders
of cutting grease!

It hasn't been tested on animals, just humans... but no complaint in my
thirty years of makin' it.



> From: "Kevin Kraly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 21:06:46 -0800
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment
> 
> I like the latex glove idea since I have a few pairs lying around the house.
> That last valve adjustment got my hands quite greasy (wouldnt be surprised
> if there was still some under my fingernails two years later :D)!  I haven't
> gotten around to doing the job on the '83 'SD, and my wrenches are still
> buried somewhere deep within!
> 
> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
> 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

[Kevin Kraly]

I like the latex glove idea since I have a few pairs lying around the house. 
That last valve adjustment got my hands quite greasy (wouldnt be surprised 
if there was still some under my fingernails two years later :D)!  I haven't 
gotten around to doing the job on the '83 'SD, and my wrenches are still 
buried somewhere deep within!

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula 


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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

[Timothy Robinson]

My "indies," Gary and son, Todd... first time I took the car into their
shop, Todd snaps on these "rectal exam gloves" and said, "What seems to be
the problem?" It's a running joke now... but they do perform repairs with
those latex gloves to keep their hands clean. I made some joke about,
"Fist..." well... I found out they were quite reasonable and they discovered
I had a warped sense of humor.

> From: "Kevin Kraly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 20:29:12 -0800
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment
> 
> 1st time
> I've done this by myself, what a bear
> 
> I call it "bonding." 


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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

[Timothy Robinson]

So now you're good at it, Glenn, you gonna "hep" me? LOL

> From: "Glenn Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 19:33:58 -0500
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: [MBZ] Valve adjustment
> 
> I spent all afternoon doing a valve adjustment on my '84 300D, thank
> goodness it was 72F and I could work with the garage door open.  1st time
> I've done this by myself, what a bear . . .
> 
> G. M. Brown
> Brevard, NC
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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

[E M]

Yeah, there's nothing like the feeling of knowing you did a job well,
yourself. :-)

Ed
300E

On 05/02/2008, Kevin Kraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 1st time
> I've done this by myself, what a bear
>
>
> I call it "bonding."  It did take me the better part of an afternoon to do
> my first valve adjustment on my 1981 300CD.  It's a job done totally by
> feel
> other than setting up the feeler gauges.  I bought two sets of them, one
> for
> intakes and one for exhaust valves.
>
> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
> 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

[Kevin Kraly]

1st time
I've done this by myself, what a bear

I call it "bonding."  It did take me the better part of an afternoon to do 
my first valve adjustment on my 1981 300CD.  It's a job done totally by feel 
other than setting up the feeler gauges.  I bought two sets of them, one for 
intakes and one for exhaust valves.

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula 


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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

[E M]

oh stop complaining, I did an oil change 2 weeks ago with a foot of snow on
the ground, and I did it from the bottom.. I'm still picking the road salt
out of my ears. hee hee.

Ed
300E

On 05/02/2008, Glenn Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I spent all afternoon doing a valve adjustment on my '84 300D, thank
> goodness it was 72F and I could work with the garage door open.  1st time
> I've done this by myself, what a bear . . .
>
> G. M. Brown
> Brevard, NC
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Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

[Gary Hurst]

too cheap.  way too cheap

On 3/30/06, John Berryman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 30, 2006, at 10:17 AM, Rusty Cullens wrote:
>
> > $75.00 for a 3 piece set of Genuine MB wrenches.
>
>Grab 'em up boys Its about the same price of 1 hour labor.
>
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Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

[John Berryman]

On Mar 30, 2006, at 10:17 AM, Rusty Cullens wrote:


$75.00 for a 3 piece set of Genuine MB wrenches.


Grab 'em up boys Its about the same price of 1 hour labor.

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Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

[andrew strasfogel]

I paid $49 about 10 years ago so that seems reasonable.

On 3/30/06, Rusty Cullens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> $75.00 for a 3 piece set of Genuine MB wrenches.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 8:55 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?
>
> we used to sell those just about every day.  last i remember they were
> $85
> for the set of 3, but not sure what they cost now
>
> On 3/29/06, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > http://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes.htm#diesel
> >
> > About $100 for 2 of the bent wrench and one of the other.
> >
> > Randy B
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 5:25 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?
> >
> >
> >
> > So I just looked on ebay and a pair of bent 14mm box ,
> > valve adjustment, wrenches were going for $$$65.00...
> > Zoiks! I say!!! Seems high...
> >
> >
> > I don't have the ability to heat and bend my own, so
> > does anyone know of a better deal out there?
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches

[Marshall Booth]

Dennis Perkins wrote:
My understanding is it's better to have them on the loose side if your 
having problems getting it just right vs. tight.  Is this right?




There is a little additional noise, little consequence in performance 
and none to starting when the valves are a little loose. When even a 
little tight, cold engine starting is compromised or even prevented. 
It's important that valves be checked and adjusted before freezing 
weather if reliable cold starting is to be expected.


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Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

[Rusty Cullens]

$75.00 for a 3 piece set of Genuine MB wrenches.

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

we used to sell those just about every day.  last i remember they were
$85
for the set of 3, but not sure what they cost now

On 3/29/06, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes.htm#diesel
>
> About $100 for 2 of the bent wrench and one of the other.
>
> Randy B
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 5:25 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?
>
>
>
> So I just looked on ebay and a pair of bent 14mm box ,
> valve adjustment, wrenches were going for $$$65.00...
> Zoiks! I say!!! Seems high...
>
>
> I don't have the ability to heat and bend my own, so
> does anyone know of a better deal out there?
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Thats the funniest thing i have heard in a while.

B Dike wrote:


The bent wrenches are totally unnecessary.  Valve adjustments are  easy to do 
with standard open end wrenches, just use a good light so  you can see exactly 
where to place them.  The only thing you might  consider is file or grind one 
down to make it a tad thinner to grab the  lower nut.
  
  Bruce




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Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

[Potter, Tom E]

A few days ago, some chap on the list offered his for $40.

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Subject: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?


So I just looked on ebay and a pair of bent 14mm box ,
valve adjustment, wrenches were going for $$$65.00...
Zoiks! I say!!! Seems high...


I don't have the ability to heat and bend my own, so
does anyone know of a better deal out there?


Thanks in advance!




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Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

[John Berryman]

On Mar 30, 2006, at 7:14 AM, Levi Smith wrote:


Is the idea that being bent they'll clear the injector lines and
therefore allow more movement?

Levi


	Yes, clearance is the reason they are shaped like that. I use the  
Hazet set, made specifically for the purpose. They cost somewhere in  
the $50+ range when I bought them many, many moons ago. They paid for  
themselves with their first use and made me $$ with subsequent valve  
adjustments.
	Properly made wrenches can keep you from rounding the adjusters and  
locks. I feel they are worth the price, even with today's inflation  
figured in. YMMV


Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

[Levi Smith]

Is the idea that being bent they'll clear the injector lines and 
therefore allow more movement?


Levi

B Dike wrote:

The bent wrenches are totally unnecessary.  Valve adjustments are  easy to do 
with standard open end wrenches, just use a good light so  you can see exactly 
where to place them.  The only thing you might  consider is file or grind one 
down to make it a tad thinner to grab the  lower nut.
  
  Bruce

Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:37:23 -0800 "Dennis Perkins"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My understanding is it's better to have them on the loose side if your 
> having problems getting it just right vs. tight.  Is this right?

Yes.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

[B Dike]

The bent wrenches are totally unnecessary.  Valve adjustments are  easy to do 
with standard open end wrenches, just use a good light so  you can see exactly 
where to place them.  The only thing you might  consider is file or grind one 
down to make it a tad thinner to grab the  lower nut.
  
  Bruce

hue wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
So I just looked on ebay and a pair of bent 14mm box ,
valve adjustment, wrenches were going for $$$65.00...
Zoiks! I say!!! Seems high...


I don't have the ability to heat and bend my own, so
does anyone know of a better deal out there?


Thanks in advance!




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> The consoles in the U-Pull are almost always ruined before
> I ever see them.  People tend to pry out what they want
> with crowbars there.
>
> -- Jim
Don't get Clay started on P-N-P's and parts removal with crowbars/hammers...
Or the minorities that use them
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'85 300 CD
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Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

[OK Don]

What he said!  My experience, almost exactly.

On 3/29/06, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I never used the "official " wrenches.  I have never even seen them, other
> than in pictures.  I have always used just plain open end (combination)
> 14mm wrenches.  You need one that is thin.  Lately I have been using a
> cheap combination wrench that has been ground to make the jaws thinner, for
> the bottom nut.  I have never needed a big wrench.  YOu need to watch the
> spring cap (where the big wrench goes) to be sure you compensate if it
> turns.  Most of the time, if the valve is closed as it must be to adjust,
> the valve cap will not turn.  There is an art to knowing where to set the
> top nut so when you tighten it and the lock nut together, the gap is
> right.  Don't expect to get it right the first time.  You may have to do
> some valves many times before you gat that particular one right.  when you
> think you have them all right,  turn the crank over and check each pair
> again as they come up.  (You will notice that 2 cam lobes will be pointing
> more or less up at  the same time, one intake and one exhaust)  When you
> can do this repeatedly and get the same reading, then you are ok.
>
> I used to have an old S wrench that was 1/2 x 9/16 open end.  If worked
> perfectly to fit around the cam towers and injectors to hold the lock
> nut.  The ground down cheapo 14 mm is its replacement.
>
> You also need to get the feel of how to use feeler gauges.  it is right
> when the proper thickness gauge can slide in the gap, but there is a
> noticeable resistance.  If you have to force it in, you are too tight.  If
> it has no resistance, the valve is too loose.  There are also go-no-go
> feeler gauges.  These have two thicknesses on each blade.  My set was from
> Snears.  The thick part was .002 inch thicker than the thin part.  I will
> often work with two blades out, one at the setting I want, and the other
> .001" thicker.  I want the first to go and the second not to go in.  It
> isn't necessary, but it is a way to check your work as you go.  I believe
> in being verdamt sure the valves are right before i put the cover back
> on.  I have never burned a valve from misadjustment in 30+ years.
>
> Tchüß!
>
> Loren
> (Adjusting valves since 1969.  Adjusting MB Diesel valves since 1972
>

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Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

[Loren Faeth]

I never used the "official " wrenches.  I have never even seen them, other 
than in pictures.  I have always used just plain open end (combination) 
14mm wrenches.  You need one that is thin.  Lately I have been using a 
cheap combination wrench that has been ground to make the jaws thinner, for 
the bottom nut.  I have never needed a big wrench.  YOu need to watch the 
spring cap (where the big wrench goes) to be sure you compensate if it 
turns.  Most of the time, if the valve is closed as it must be to adjust, 
the valve cap will not turn.  There is an art to knowing where to set the 
top nut so when you tighten it and the lock nut together, the gap is 
right.  Don't expect to get it right the first time.  You may have to do 
some valves many times before you gat that particular one right.  when you 
think you have them all right,  turn the crank over and check each pair 
again as they come up.  (You will notice that 2 cam lobes will be pointing 
more or less up at  the same time, one intake and one exhaust)  When you 
can do this repeatedly and get the same reading, then you are ok.


I used to have an old S wrench that was 1/2 x 9/16 open end.  If worked 
perfectly to fit around the cam towers and injectors to hold the lock 
nut.  The ground down cheapo 14 mm is its replacement.


You also need to get the feel of how to use feeler gauges.  it is right 
when the proper thickness gauge can slide in the gap, but there is a 
noticeable resistance.  If you have to force it in, you are too tight.  If 
it has no resistance, the valve is too loose.  There are also go-no-go 
feeler gauges.  These have two thicknesses on each blade.  My set was from 
Snears.  The thick part was .002 inch thicker than the thin part.  I will 
often work with two blades out, one at the setting I want, and the other 
.001" thicker.  I want the first to go and the second not to go in.  It 
isn't necessary, but it is a way to check your work as you go.  I believe 
in being verdamt sure the valves are right before i put the cover back 
on.  I have never burned a valve from misadjustment in 30+ years.


Tchüß!

Loren
(Adjusting valves since 1969.  Adjusting MB Diesel valves since 1972

At 05:25 PM 3/29/2006, you wrote:


So I just looked on ebay and a pair of bent 14mm box ,
valve adjustment, wrenches were going for $$$65.00...
Zoiks! I say!!! Seems high...


I don't have the ability to heat and bend my own, so
does anyone know of a better deal out there?


Thanks in advance!




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Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

[Gary Hurst]

we used to sell those just about every day.  last i remember they were $85
for the set of 3, but not sure what they cost now

On 3/29/06, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes.htm#diesel
>
> About $100 for 2 of the bent wrench and one of the other.
>
> Randy B
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of hue wong
> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 5:25 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?
>
>
>
> So I just looked on ebay and a pair of bent 14mm box ,
> valve adjustment, wrenches were going for $$$65.00...
> Zoiks! I say!!! Seems high...
>
>
> I don't have the ability to heat and bend my own, so
> does anyone know of a better deal out there?
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

[R A Bennell]

http://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes.htm#diesel

About $100 for 2 of the bent wrench and one of the other.

Randy B 

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Subject: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?



So I just looked on ebay and a pair of bent 14mm box ,
valve adjustment, wrenches were going for $$$65.00...
Zoiks! I say!!! Seems high...


I don't have the ability to heat and bend my own, so
does anyone know of a better deal out there?


Thanks in advance!




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Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

[R A Bennell]

Should be able to heat with a basic propane torch and bend with a basic bench 
vice. Not rocket science. 

Randy B

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Subject: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?



So I just looked on ebay and a pair of bent 14mm box ,
valve adjustment, wrenches were going for $$$65.00...
Zoiks! I say!!! Seems high...


I don't have the ability to heat and bend my own, so
does anyone know of a better deal out there?


Thanks in advance!




__

Re: [MBZ] valve adjustment wrenches?

[Jim Cathey]

I don't have the ability to heat and bend my own, so
does anyone know of a better deal out there?


You could.  A propane torch, a bottle of MAPP gas, and a pair
of pliers (or two) is about all you need.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

[redghost]

Well that is what I am going to do with that nasty 606 from now on.  
Might give Gump a ream, just for grins when her GP change around 300k.


On Friday, March 17, 2006, at 07:12 PM, Marshall Booth wrote:


redghost wrote:

Reamer is very important.  The carbon builds up and can interfere with
the GP doing its job.  The plug will cook and short out much sooner if
the crud is not removed at each change of GP.  Paid $600 to have all
the crud removed in the e300d because the last guy to install GP #5 
did

not, and it died inside, having cemented itself to the carbon.  You
need to remove that junk so the GP seats well.

Try Rusty for the tool, or PP always has them in their booklet



On the OM606 engines reaming is MUCH more important than it is on older
engines (unless a plug is hard to get out). I haven't needed a reamer
for more than 20 years, but if I had an OM606 engine I'd use a reamer
every time I changed plugs.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

[Marshall Booth]

redghost wrote:
Reamer is very important.  The carbon builds up and can interfere with 
the GP doing its job.  The plug will cook and short out much sooner if 
the crud is not removed at each change of GP.  Paid $600 to have all 
the crud removed in the e300d because the last guy to install GP #5 did 
not, and it died inside, having cemented itself to the carbon.  You 
need to remove that junk so the GP seats well.


Try Rusty for the tool, or PP always has them in their booklet



On the OM606 engines reaming is MUCH more important than it is on older 
engines (unless a plug is hard to get out). I haven't needed a reamer 
for more than 20 years, but if I had an OM606 engine I'd use a reamer 
every time I changed plugs.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

[redghost]

Reamer is very important.  The carbon builds up and can interfere with 
the GP doing its job.  The plug will cook and short out much sooner if 
the crud is not removed at each change of GP.  Paid $600 to have all 
the crud removed in the e300d because the last guy to install GP #5 did 
not, and it died inside, having cemented itself to the carbon.  You 
need to remove that junk so the GP seats well.


Try Rusty for the tool, or PP always has them in their booklet

On Friday, March 17, 2006, at 05:06 AM, Levi Smith wrote:


Also on the subject of tools...  How important is the glow plug reamer,
and what's the best place to get one?




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Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

[OK Don]

The only time I needed one was when the new glow plug wouldn't go in ---

On 3/17/06, Levi Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK, so how would one know when one needs to use a reamer?
>
>
> OK Don wrote:
> > I don't remember what the dowel size was, and I only needed to use it
> > once, on one glow plug. It was what I found lying around the fit. Most
> > of the time you don't need it.

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OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
'90 300D 243K, Rattled
'87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car
'81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car
'78 450SLC 67K, brown car
'97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

[David Brodbeck]

OK Don wrote:

The feel part of using a feeler gauge is to have some resistance when
pulling the gauge through the gap, but not so much that it's changing
the gap -- no resistance means that the gap is too wide.


One thing I've found helpful, when I'm in doubt, is to do a go/no-go 
test.  Try a gauge the next size up from the spec.  It should fail to go 
through.  The proper size gauge should go through with a slight drag, 
and the next smallest gauge should fall through with no resistance.


It's a feel sort of thing...with the proper adjustment, the gauge will 
go through, but you'll feel it slide against the surface on each side.  
Be careful not to tilt or twist the gauge, or you'll get a false reading.

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

[David Brodbeck]

Tom offered:

"Valve adjustment is an art as much as a science. Remember, you use
"feeler" gauges. You have to learn the proper "feel" of the gauge at the
correct adjustment. That said; the only way to learn is to do it several
times. I suggest you get someone who has done it before to guide you
through the first time."
  


I always found doing valve adjustments an oddly pleasing task.  
Something about the way the feeler gauge slides through the gap...it's 
very hands-on and tactile.  I haven't done it on a Mercedes, yet, but 
I've done it on aircooled VWs and on a Honda Civic.  The Civic was 
easier -- I didn't have to lay down on the ground to get to the cylinder 
head.



David Brodbeck
'83 300D Turbo

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

[Tom Scordato]

Mercedes Shop Forum may rent them out cheap.  Also mercedessource.com sells 
a set for around $50.  Hazet run around $75 to $90 used.- Original 
Message - 
From: "Levi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 8:06 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.



OK, so I haven't yet decided on whether I'm going to attempt the valve
adjustment on my 83' 300D myself or hope I can find someone who knows
what they're doing.  If I decide to go that route, it sounds further
complicated since from what I recall the engine is supposed to be cold
as in "let to sit overnight".

Either way, I know it's been discussed before, but I can't seem to find
the references.  Where's the best/cheapest place to get the valve
adjustment tools?  Or wouldn't I really need them?  I didn't see them
listed at buymbparts.  I think I saw a set on ebay but for $100.  I was
thinking someone said you could get them for more like $50...

Also on the subject of tools...  How important is the glow plug reamer,
and what's the best place to get one?

And I keep hearing about the timing chain stretch.  If I do the valves
myself, is it quite easy to measure the stretch at that time?  Or do I
still need to dig deeper or disconnect the chain or some such thing to
measure it?


And I got a couple cans of diesel purge.  Is this best done at idle, or
should I try to rig it up so I can drive around with it?

And on the same lines, does it make much difference what order I do the
valve adjustment/diesel purge?

Thanks!
Levi
Might be getting time to wake the 83' 300D from it's winter slumber...

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Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

[Marshall Booth]

Levi Smith wrote:

OK, so how would one know when one needs to use a reamer?


If the old plug was stubborn about coming out (you had to wiggle it) 
then a reamer would be desirable.


Marshall
--
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turbo 237kmi

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

[Levi Smith]

OK, so how would one know when one needs to use a reamer?


OK Don wrote:

I don't remember what the dowel size was, and I only needed to use it
once, on one glow plug. It was what I found lying around the fit. Most
of the time you don't need it.

On 3/17/06, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I've only owned my MB for 2 years now, but I've done at least 5 valve adjust, 
and it's a fairly straight forward job.  For the order, do the valves first and 
then diesel purge and change your filters.  The main spinon filter has a 
suggested interval of 15kmi, so it can be changed the same time you do each 
valve adjust.

Tools: Go to Harbor Freight or your FLPS and buy a cheap set of 13mm (???not 
sure on the size...might be 14 or 15mm...) open end wrenches.  Heat them with a 
tourch and bend them at a 45o angle.  I'm sure someone else on the list can 
provide a picture today.  Glow plug reamer?  Ask OK Don what size dowel rod he 
used, get's the job done just as well.




--
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
'90 300D 243K, Rattled
'87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car
'81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car
'78 450SLC 67K, brown car
'97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

[OK Don]

I've never bothered to get and bend a set of wrenches - I just use
straight ones. Probably takes longer to mess around and get things
lined up so you can use them, but it can be done.

The feel part of using a feeler gauge is to have some resistance when
pulling the gauge through the gap, but not so much that it's changing
the gap -- no resistance means that the gap is too wide. Test all the
valves before loosening the adjusting nuts - some will probably be OK.
I usually have a least a couple that are OK. You can get a "feel" for
using the gauge while checking them. The manual specifies a sequence
for adjusting the valves, but I always just turn the engine till a cam
lobe is pointing straight up, then adjust that valve, keeping track of
whether it's intake or exhaust, and whether I've already adjusted it.
If it's a leisurely day, I 'll turn the engine over a couple of times
(by hand) then check all the valves again. However, that's the
exception ---

I don't remember what the dowel size was, and I only needed to use it
once, on one glow plug. It was what I found lying around the fit. Most
of the time you don't need it.

On 3/17/06, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've only owned my MB for 2 years now, but I've done at least 5 valve adjust, 
> and it's a fairly straight forward job.  For the order, do the valves first 
> and then diesel purge and change your filters.  The main spinon filter has a 
> suggested interval of 15kmi, so it can be changed the same time you do each 
> valve adjust.
>
> Tools: Go to Harbor Freight or your FLPS and buy a cheap set of 13mm (???not 
> sure on the size...might be 14 or 15mm...) open end wrenches.  Heat them with 
> a tourch and bend them at a 45o angle.  I'm sure someone else on the list can 
> provide a picture today.  Glow plug reamer?  Ask OK Don what size dowel rod 
> he used, get's the job done just as well.
>

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Norman, OK
'90 300D 243K, Rattled
'87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car
'81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car
'78 450SLC 67K, brown car
'97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

[OK Don]

'51 VW 1100cc engine for me -- cold and stopped.
The only valves I've adjusted while the engine was running were new
hydraulic tappets on a Chevy or Ford - can't remember which - you
turned till they stopped rattling.

On 3/17/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Who learned valve adjustment on a 1939 Chevrolet Coupe.
>
> 60 Falcon for me.  As I recall, several times I did it while
> the engine was idling.
--
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
'90 300D 243K, Rattled
'87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car
'81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car
'78 450SLC 67K, brown car
'97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

[Sunil Hari]

They're 14mm open-end wrenches.

On 3/17/06, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'll sell mine for $40, no relationship needed other than coin of the
> realm.  Houston or not.
>
> --R
>
> Potter, Tom E wrote:
>
> >While we are on the subject, I have the proper valve adjusting tools for
> >the M-B OM617 for loan to anyone in the Houston, TX, area. I do require
> >a $50 deposit, until we establish a more solid relationship.
> >
> >Tom Potter
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey
> >Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 9:28 AM
> >To: Mercedes Discussion List
> >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge,
> >etc.
> >
> >
> >
> >>the references.  Where's the best/cheapest place to get the valve
> >>adjustment tools?  Or wouldn't I really need them?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Supposedly it can be done without, but it's rather painful.  I made
> >my own out of long 14mm wrenches from the pawnshop and a torch.  Don't
> >start with flimsy ones as the bends you put in them really cut down
> >their rigidity.  The third wrench is rarely needed, it's just to keep
> >the valve keeper from spinning (negating attempts to change valve
> >lash), but it rarely does this.
> >
> >
> >
> >>Also on the subject of tools...  How important is the glow plug
> >>
> >>
> >reamer,
> >
> >
> >>and what's the best place to get one?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Not very, unless you need one!  So far I have not.  They are most
> >necessary when you've had a plug burned out for awhile but have kept
> >driving it, allowing it to really coke up in there.
> >
> >
> >
> >>And I keep hearing about the timing chain stretch.  If I do the valves
> >>myself, is it quite easy to measure the stretch at that time?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Trivial.  But make _sure_ you are using the right dingus on the
> >crankshaft damper to read the scale against!
> >
> >-- Jim
> >
> >
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1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi.
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513-205-7474

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

[Rich Thomas]

I'll sell mine for $40, no relationship needed other than coin of the 
realm.  Houston or not.


--R

Potter, Tom E wrote:


While we are on the subject, I have the proper valve adjusting tools for
the M-B OM617 for loan to anyone in the Houston, TX, area. I do require
a $50 deposit, until we establish a more solid relationship.

Tom Potter

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 9:28 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge,
etc.

 


the references.  Where's the best/cheapest place to get the valve
adjustment tools?  Or wouldn't I really need them?
   



Supposedly it can be done without, but it's rather painful.  I made
my own out of long 14mm wrenches from the pawnshop and a torch.  Don't
start with flimsy ones as the bends you put in them really cut down
their rigidity.  The third wrench is rarely needed, it's just to keep
the valve keeper from spinning (negating attempts to change valve
lash), but it rarely does this.

 


Also on the subject of tools...  How important is the glow plug
   


reamer,
 


and what's the best place to get one?
   



Not very, unless you need one!  So far I have not.  They are most
necessary when you've had a plug burned out for awhile but have kept
driving it, allowing it to really coke up in there.

 


And I keep hearing about the timing chain stretch.  If I do the valves
myself, is it quite easy to measure the stretch at that time?
   



Trivial.  But make _sure_ you are using the right dingus on the
crankshaft damper to read the scale against!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

[Rich Thomas]

On the wrenches, the other writer was correct.  Get some cheap open-end 
wrenches (14 or 15mm? I think), put the open end in a vise, heat it with 
a torch about 1 inch above the working part, bend it 45 deg, then heat 
it again about 2 in beyond that and bend it back the other way so it is 
parallel to the working end.  I got a couple at HF, made in India (from 
recycled ships or something, no doubt), for $3 or so for a set of 5 -- I 
got two sets and use the othersin the set for beating on things.  These 
are functionally indistinguishable from the $100 sets.  You will need to 
buy the feeler gauges, not very expensive though, Sears or auto parts 
store.   There is another tool called out to hold the big washer at the 
bottom from turning, you can use a screwdriver slid in there if it does 
turn.


The chain stretch is readily apparent when you have the valve cover off, 
and the cam gear cleaned off a bit at the front where the chain is, so 
you can see the mark.  Also clean the engine well so you can see the 
timing marks on the damper (is that the damper?) down below.  I had to 
use a brush on mine with some degreaser to get the grime off so I could 
see the marks.


It's pretty easy to do -- the hardest part is getting the throttle 
linkage stuff off so you can get the valve cover off.  That takes a 
couple of allen wrenches in tight places and prying the balls/sockets, 
and a screw or two.  Not hard, just fiddly.  Oh, and you might want to 
replace the valve cover gasket while you're at it.  I think you are 
supposed to when it comes off, but don't really have to do that.


It is not a hard job, and a good satisfaction-feeler when done.  Wimpier 
"guys" in the neighborhood will be amazed when they see you working on 
an engine with the guts exposed, and will feel compelled to rush home to 
reply to those emails we all get.


--R

Levi Smith wrote:

OK, so I haven't yet decided on whether I'm going to attempt the valve 
adjustment on my 83' 300D myself or hope I can find someone who knows 
what they're doing.  If I decide to go that route, it sounds further 
complicated since from what I recall the engine is supposed to be cold 
as in "let to sit overnight".


Either way, I know it's been discussed before, but I can't seem to find 
the references.  Where's the best/cheapest place to get the valve 
adjustment tools?  Or wouldn't I really need them?  I didn't see them 
listed at buymbparts.  I think I saw a set on ebay but for $100.  I was 
thinking someone said you could get them for more like $50...


Also on the subject of tools...  How important is the glow plug reamer, 
and what's the best place to get one?


And I keep hearing about the timing chain stretch.  If I do the valves 
myself, is it quite easy to measure the stretch at that time?  Or do I 
still need to dig deeper or disconnect the chain or some such thing to 
measure it?



And I got a couple cans of diesel purge.  Is this best done at idle, or 
should I try to rig it up so I can drive around with it?


And on the same lines, does it make much difference what order I do the 
valve adjustment/diesel purge?


Thanks!
Levi
Might be getting time to wake the 83' 300D from it's winter slumber...

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Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

[Bob Rentfro]

Tom offered:

"Valve adjustment is an art as much as a science. Remember, you use
"feeler" gauges. You have to learn the proper "feel" of the gauge at the
correct adjustment. That said; the only way to learn is to do it several
times. I suggest you get someone who has done it before to guide you
through the first time."

That's what I'm thinking. I may just ask Mr. Jim Friesen for a lesson 
sometime thins spring :o)


BobRentfro
'77 300D 150K
Litchfield Park, AZ

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

[Potter, Tom E]

While we are on the subject, I have the proper valve adjusting tools for
the M-B OM617 for loan to anyone in the Houston, TX, area. I do require
a $50 deposit, until we establish a more solid relationship.

Tom Potter

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 9:28 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge,
etc.

> the references.  Where's the best/cheapest place to get the valve
> adjustment tools?  Or wouldn't I really need them?

Supposedly it can be done without, but it's rather painful.  I made
my own out of long 14mm wrenches from the pawnshop and a torch.  Don't
start with flimsy ones as the bends you put in them really cut down
their rigidity.  The third wrench is rarely needed, it's just to keep
the valve keeper from spinning (negating attempts to change valve
lash), but it rarely does this.

> Also on the subject of tools...  How important is the glow plug
reamer,
> and what's the best place to get one?

Not very, unless you need one!  So far I have not.  They are most
necessary when you've had a plug burned out for awhile but have kept
driving it, allowing it to really coke up in there.

> And I keep hearing about the timing chain stretch.  If I do the valves
> myself, is it quite easy to measure the stretch at that time?

Trivial.  But make _sure_ you are using the right dingus on the
crankshaft damper to read the scale against!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

[Potter, Tom E]

My father always adjusted (and made me too) the Chevrolet valves with
the engine hot and idling. It was not a lot of fun what with the hot oil
splashing on you. Looking back on it, I am not sure it was necessary to
have the engine idling, as long as it stayed hot.

Tom Potter

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Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 9:32 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge,
etc.

> Who learned valve adjustment on a 1939 Chevrolet Coupe.

60 Falcon for me.  As I recall, several times I did it while
the engine was idling.  I don't really recommend this method!
(On that pushrod engine it was neither dangerous nor very
messy, but it's not very easy and is kind of hard on the
tools.  I was experimenting.  The things you do in high
school...)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

[Jim Cathey]

Who learned valve adjustment on a 1939 Chevrolet Coupe.


60 Falcon for me.  As I recall, several times I did it while
the engine was idling.  I don't really recommend this method!
(On that pushrod engine it was neither dangerous nor very
messy, but it's not very easy and is kind of hard on the
tools.  I was experimenting.  The things you do in high
school...)

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

[Jim Cathey]

the references.  Where's the best/cheapest place to get the valve
adjustment tools?  Or wouldn't I really need them?


Supposedly it can be done without, but it's rather painful.  I made
my own out of long 14mm wrenches from the pawnshop and a torch.  Don't
start with flimsy ones as the bends you put in them really cut down
their rigidity.  The third wrench is rarely needed, it's just to keep
the valve keeper from spinning (negating attempts to change valve
lash), but it rarely does this.


Also on the subject of tools...  How important is the glow plug reamer,
and what's the best place to get one?


Not very, unless you need one!  So far I have not.  They are most
necessary when you've had a plug burned out for awhile but have kept
driving it, allowing it to really coke up in there.


And I keep hearing about the timing chain stretch.  If I do the valves
myself, is it quite easy to measure the stretch at that time?


Trivial.  But make _sure_ you are using the right dingus on the
crankshaft damper to read the scale against!

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

[Luther Gulseth]

I've only owned my MB for 2 years now, but I've done at least 5 valve adjust, 
and it's a fairly straight forward job.  For the order, do the valves first and 
then diesel purge and change your filters.  The main spinon filter has a 
suggested interval of 15kmi, so it can be changed the same time you do each 
valve adjust.

Tools: Go to Harbor Freight or your FLPS and buy a cheap set of 13mm (???not 
sure on the size...might be 14 or 15mm...) open end wrenches.  Heat them with a 
tourch and bend them at a 45o angle.  I'm sure someone else on the list can 
provide a picture today.  Glow plug reamer?  Ask OK Don what size dowel rod he 
used, get's the job done just as well.

Timing chain stretch, look from the back of the car toward the front at the 
back side of the timing gear on the cam shaft.  There is a notch on te drivers 
side at about 9 o'clock.  Watch the gear as you turn the engine over by hand, 
and you will see an arrow.  Line these up, then look down behind the belts to 
the back of the crank shaft pully, and you will see a series of numbers (10, 5, 
0, 5, 10).  There you read the stretch.  Do this several times and take the 
average.  If you are off just a little bit up at the cam shaft, it's magnified 
down at the stretch markings.

Purge, just hold the throttle at 2500-3000 with your hand until most of the 
purge is gone.  Do not be startled if the purge quickly turns black, that is a 
good sign that you are cleaning the crap/sludge out of the injection system.

I'm sure others on the list can give you more pointers, this is just my humble 
experience.

Luther

~OK, so I haven't yet decided on whether I'm going to attempt the valve 
~adjustment on my 83' 300D myself or hope I can find someone who knows 
~what they're doing.  If I decide to go that route, it sounds further 
~complicated since from what I recall the engine is supposed to be cold 
~as in "let to sit overnight".
~
~Either way, I know it's been discussed before, but I can't seem to find 
~the references.  Where's the best/cheapest place to get the valve 
~adjustment tools?  Or wouldn't I really need them?  I didn't see them 
~listed at buymbparts.  I think I saw a set on ebay but for $100.  I was 
~thinking someone said you could get them for more like $50...
~
~Also on the subject of tools...  How important is the glow plug reamer, 
~and what's the best place to get one?
~
~And I keep hearing about the timing chain stretch.  If I do the valves 
~myself, is it quite easy to measure the stretch at that time?  Or do I 
~still need to dig deeper or disconnect the chain or some such thing to 
~measure it?
~
~
~And I got a couple cans of diesel purge.  Is this best done at idle, or 
~should I try to rig it up so I can drive around with it?
~
~And on the same lines, does it make much difference what order I do the 
~valve adjustment/diesel purge?
~
~Thanks!
~Levi
~Might be getting time to wake the 83' 300D from it's winter slumber...
~
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'83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) 
'82 300CD (159,222 kmi) 
'82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment - 617.95. engine - crazy idea?

[Marshall Booth]

OK Don wrote:

Reduced cam follower wear? Only reason I can think of --



It's been reported (rather frequently) that the use of Mobil synthetics
will reduce the need for valve adjustment (but I don't know why that
might be). I KNOW it reduces timing chain wear (I've measured that) by
about half and I understand why, but I can't figure out why it would
reduce the need to adjust valves.

Marshall


As intake valves wear they get tighter - can't be cam follower wear any 
way I can imagine!


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment - 617.95. engine - crazy idea?

[Peter Frederick]

Three things, really, I would guess -- reduced wear on cam follower and 
adjuster nut (also reduced wear on the cam lobe, but that won't affect 
clearance), reduced wear on guides (and hence better seating and 
reduced wear on seat), and less ash in the combustion chamber since 
there is less consumption and less zinc stearate in the oil (I think, 
not sure on the last one).


I've not run Mobil 1 in a 61x engine long enough to need to do a valve 
adjust yet (will be checking my brother's 300D this weekend or next), 
but on the Volvo, only a couple valves were out of spec after 50,000 
miles.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment - 617.95. engine - crazy idea?

[OK Don]

Reduced cam follower wear? Only reason I can think of --


> It's been reported (rather frequently) that the use of Mobil synthetics
> will reduce the need for valve adjustment (but I don't know why that
> might be). I KNOW it reduces timing chain wear (I've measured that) by
> about half and I understand why, but I can't figure out why it would
> reduce the need to adjust valves.
>
> Marshall

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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment - 617.95. engine - crazy idea?

[Marshall Booth]

Hans Neureiter wrote:

Since the valve adjustment job is fairly easy but a PITA, why not adust the
valves a bit looser than specs, i.e. .005"/.015" instead of .003"/.013".
This would throw the timing off a hair, open a little later and close a bit
sooner. But will it be significant enough to notice?
The benefit being longer intervalls between needed adjustments since they
always tend to tighten up.


A well maintained engine lubricated with good oil that's changed as 
required, will not need adjustment very often, but they still need to be 
checked before each cold season to insure flawless cold starting. The 
process is far from linear and often changes quite suddenly! Once you 
have become "one with your car," you may be able to tell that the valves 
need adjustment from the sound, but I was never able to count on that 
even after 20+ years of trying. Increasing valve clearance will make 
them noisier, increase wear (at least a little) and the engine won't run 
as well. Tight valves quiets the engine, but results in slow/no cold 
starting, poor running when cold and excessive valve wear/damage.


Valves can tighten (usually intakes) with wear (and that prevents cold 
starting) and they can also loosen (usually exhausts) and that makes the 
engine noisier, but neither of those results are exclusive - so they 
really must be checked every 15kmi or so and adjusted if they are out of 
specification.


It's been reported (rather frequently) that the use of Mobil synthetics 
will reduce the need for valve adjustment (but I don't know why that 
might be). I KNOW it reduces timing chain wear (I've measured that) by 
about half and I understand why, but I can't figure out why it would 
reduce the need to adjust valves.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment - 617.95. engine - crazy idea?

[Peter Frederick]

Hans:

If you use good oil (synthetic is best) you will find that you don't 
need to do much adjustment.  Set to specs, the difference in 
performance can be noticeable.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment wrenches

[OK Don]

Then again, I have a blow torch, but am too lazy to look for two cheap
wrenchs to bend, so I jsut use the straight  ones I already have. Yes
- you have to monkey around a few minutes to findthe correct approach
for a few of the valves, but it can be done on 615, 616, and 617
engines without the bent wrenchs --


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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment wrenches

[Hans Neureiter]

Thanks Chuck, but Rich got me straight. Next time I'm in Phoenix, I holler.
On 10/7/05, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hans,
>
> I have those "expensive German ones" Had a moment of monetary
> imprudence Want me to take some pix..
>
> Take care,
>
> Chuck
> Phoenix, AZ
> 1980 300SD...
> On Oct 7, 2005, at 4:24 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
>
> > I got some cheap wrenches at Harbor Freight and heated then bent
> > them at
> > 2x45deg, one bend maybe an inch from the business end and another
> > about
> > an inch or so above that. Whatever made them look like the expensive
> > German ones that cost about 50x more. They worked fine.
> >
> > --R
> >
> > Hans Neureiter wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I am working on making valve adjustment wrenches for my 617.951
> >> engine and
> >> like to know the correct dimensions. Thanks
> >> angle
> >> I ? /
> >> _
> >> / I
> >> / Height ?
> >> ===/ I 14mm Combi wrench
> >> -L?-
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment wrenches

[Rich Thomas]

I will tell you how to do it.

I like Lagavulin

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redghost wrote:


Have the torch and fuel, but am an idiot

Take the two wrenches I picked up at the B&B auto parts bin for $0.99 
to visit my BiL


Ask him to fab, since he does welding and has a good shop

After he makes them, he takes me through how to adjust valves, since he 
is Uncle Sam trained Mechanic working on compression ignition engines 
as a career.


Have wrenches and adjusted valves to go with new timing chain we 
installed as part of getting the valves set.


Low cost life extension for Gump, and I think I need to get him a 
bottle of scotch to show me how to do it right again.


On Friday, October 7, 2005, at 05:34 PM, G.E. wrote:

 


2 14mm wrenches @ .99 : 1.98
blowtorch: 8-10 bucks
propane bottle: 4 bucks
wrenches for 15 dollars and you still have a blowtorch. how can you 
make

creme brulee without one?

isildur, who bent his own wrenches and thinks no kitchen is complete
without a blowtorch.

On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Sunil Hari wrote:

   

bought a set on ebay for $40. Course, i don't have a blowtorch to 
heat up my

own wrenches, so I think I got a good deal.

On 10/7/05, John M McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 


Tools, mmm I'm sure I've bookmark somewhere

http://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes.htm


On 7-Oct-05, at 4:30 PM, Chuck Landenberger wrote:

   


Hans,

I have those "expensive German ones" Had a moment of monetary
imprudence Want me to take some pix..

Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix, AZ
1980 300SD...
 


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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment wrenches

[redghost]

Have the torch and fuel, but am an idiot

Take the two wrenches I picked up at the B&B auto parts bin for $0.99 
to visit my BiL


Ask him to fab, since he does welding and has a good shop

After he makes them, he takes me through how to adjust valves, since he 
is Uncle Sam trained Mechanic working on compression ignition engines 
as a career.


Have wrenches and adjusted valves to go with new timing chain we 
installed as part of getting the valves set.


Low cost life extension for Gump, and I think I need to get him a 
bottle of scotch to show me how to do it right again.


On Friday, October 7, 2005, at 05:34 PM, G.E. wrote:


2 14mm wrenches @ .99 : 1.98
blowtorch: 8-10 bucks
propane bottle: 4 bucks
wrenches for 15 dollars and you still have a blowtorch. how can you 
make

creme brulee without one?

isildur, who bent his own wrenches and thinks no kitchen is complete
without a blowtorch.

On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Sunil Hari wrote:

bought a set on ebay for $40. Course, i don't have a blowtorch to 
heat up my

own wrenches, so I think I got a good deal.

On 10/7/05, John M McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Tools, mmm I'm sure I've bookmark somewhere

http://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes.htm


On 7-Oct-05, at 4:30 PM, Chuck Landenberger wrote:


Hans,

I have those "expensive German ones" Had a moment of monetary
imprudence Want me to take some pix..

Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix, AZ
1980 300SD...


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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment wrenches

[G.E.]

2 14mm wrenches @ .99 : 1.98
blowtorch: 8-10 bucks
propane bottle: 4 bucks 
wrenches for 15 dollars and you still have a blowtorch. how can you make
creme brulee without one? 

isildur, who bent his own wrenches and thinks no kitchen is complete
without a blowtorch. 

On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Sunil Hari wrote:

> bought a set on ebay for $40. Course, i don't have a blowtorch to heat up my
> own wrenches, so I think I got a good deal.
> 
> On 10/7/05, John M McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Tools, mmm I'm sure I've bookmark somewhere
> >
> > http://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes.htm
> >
> >
> > On 7-Oct-05, at 4:30 PM, Chuck Landenberger wrote:
> >
> > > Hans,
> > >
> > > I have those "expensive German ones" Had a moment of monetary
> > > imprudence Want me to take some pix..
> > >
> > > Take care,
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > > Phoenix, AZ
> > > 1980 300SD...
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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment wrenches

[Sunil Hari]

bought a set on ebay for $40. Course, i don't have a blowtorch to heat up my
own wrenches, so I think I got a good deal.

On 10/7/05, John M McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Tools, mmm I'm sure I've bookmark somewhere
>
> http://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes.htm
>
>
> On 7-Oct-05, at 4:30 PM, Chuck Landenberger wrote:
>
> > Hans,
> >
> > I have those "expensive German ones" Had a moment of monetary
> > imprudence Want me to take some pix..
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> > Chuck
> > Phoenix, AZ
> > 1980 300SD...
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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment wrenches

[John M McIntosh]

Tools, mmm I'm sure I've bookmark somewhere

http://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes.htm


On 7-Oct-05, at 4:30 PM, Chuck Landenberger wrote:


Hans,

I have those "expensive German ones"  Had a moment of monetary
imprudence  Want me to take some pix..

Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix, AZ
1980 300SD...

Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment wrenches

[Chuck Landenberger]

Hans,

I have those "expensive German ones"  Had a moment of monetary  
imprudence  Want me to take some pix..


Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix, AZ
1980 300SD...
On Oct 7, 2005, at 4:24 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

I got some cheap wrenches at Harbor Freight and heated then bent  
them at
2x45deg, one bend maybe an inch from the business end and another  
about

an inch or so above that.  Whatever made them look like the expensive
German ones that cost about 50x more.  They worked fine.

--R

Hans Neureiter wrote:


I am working on making valve adjustment wrenches for my 617.951  
engine and

like to know the correct dimensions. Thanks
 angle
I ? /
_
/ I
/ Height ?
===/ I 14mm Combi wrench
-L?-



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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment wrenches

[Rich Thomas]

I got some cheap wrenches at Harbor Freight and heated then bent them at 
2x45deg, one bend maybe an inch from the business end and another about 
an inch or so above that.  Whatever made them look like the expensive 
German ones that cost about 50x more.  They worked fine.


--R

Hans Neureiter wrote:


I am working on making valve adjustment wrenches for my 617.951 engine and
like to know the correct dimensions. Thanks
 angle
I ? /
_
/ I
/ Height ?
===/ I 14mm Combi wrench
-L?-



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