Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG
But o5nky eat if it is WVO or SVO. On Jan 3, 2015 3:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You could eat off the return lines, they're that clean/new. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:45 AM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: i'd be replacing the return lines now for sure; if you got any of that stuff on the return lines, they may well be shrinking up, and start to pop off making an extra-special mess of the hood liner and everything else under the hood. i still didn't see howl old the return lines are; those things aren't expected to last forever. cheers! e On 01/Jan/15 20:08, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I used orange spray stuff - not too harsh - to clean up the valve cover and injectors and fuel lines. Then went for a 25 mile drive up I-270 and back. I popped the hood - there is no evidence of leakage anywhere. On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 8:35 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org mailto:erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: the return lines are not the metal ones *to* the injectors. and i don't think there'd be any cause to worry about an engine cleaner damaging a metal line, since metal is what most of the engine is made of. cheers! e On 31/Dec/14 13:04, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: You mean the bent metal lines to the injectors? Or the flexible rubber/cloth lines between each injector? On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:21 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: be careful what you clean the engine with; the stock return lines are pretty easily destroyed by many engine degreasers and cleaners. i didn't see how long it's been since you replaced the ones that are in there, but frankly, i'd just replace the return lines all with known new good lines; it's the quickest/cheapest/easiest possible solution, and on the off chance that it doesn't solve the problem it's the easiest way to eliminate them as a possibility of the cause of the leak. cheers! e On 26/Dec/14 19:36, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Great input - thanks. Clearly, I need to clean the engine and watch for the fuel to appear. The cloth injector lines are pristine; in every other case of leaky lines they were saturated (dark colored). Mine are still dry and white from one end to the other. This is a CA version 1985 300TD - could that have something to do with it? On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If you don't have any luck with the return lines as other suggested and you go for replacement, then replace all the injectors. Or better yet, have them rebuilt by someone competent. But avoid those Indian bosch rebuilds, they're really horrible. I just confirmed this in a 240D I bought a few weeks ago... the car ran very poorly, nailing and knocking. The injectors looked recently installed as they were very clean. They tested ok on the pop tester, but I rebuilt them with new nozzles anyway. Huge improvement. Good luck, Jaime I've seen compression leaks when the nozzle seal/heat shield is not seated properly, and leaks from the lines and from the return hose, but never from the body of an injector. If the nozzles and nozzle holders are un-fiddled with, then you are looking at hoses as the most likely source of the leak, (99%) If someone has recently fiddled with the Nozzle holders, the they may not have been assembled correctly and could be leaking. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_ okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the
Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG
You could eat off the return lines, they're that clean/new. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:45 AM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: i'd be replacing the return lines now for sure; if you got any of that stuff on the return lines, they may well be shrinking up, and start to pop off making an extra-special mess of the hood liner and everything else under the hood. i still didn't see howl old the return lines are; those things aren't expected to last forever. cheers! e On 01/Jan/15 20:08, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I used orange spray stuff - not too harsh - to clean up the valve cover and injectors and fuel lines. Then went for a 25 mile drive up I-270 and back. I popped the hood - there is no evidence of leakage anywhere. On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 8:35 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org mailto:erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: the return lines are not the metal ones *to* the injectors. and i don't think there'd be any cause to worry about an engine cleaner damaging a metal line, since metal is what most of the engine is made of. cheers! e On 31/Dec/14 13:04, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: You mean the bent metal lines to the injectors? Or the flexible rubber/cloth lines between each injector? On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:21 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: be careful what you clean the engine with; the stock return lines are pretty easily destroyed by many engine degreasers and cleaners. i didn't see how long it's been since you replaced the ones that are in there, but frankly, i'd just replace the return lines all with known new good lines; it's the quickest/cheapest/easiest possible solution, and on the off chance that it doesn't solve the problem it's the easiest way to eliminate them as a possibility of the cause of the leak. cheers! e On 26/Dec/14 19:36, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Great input - thanks. Clearly, I need to clean the engine and watch for the fuel to appear. The cloth injector lines are pristine; in every other case of leaky lines they were saturated (dark colored). Mine are still dry and white from one end to the other. This is a CA version 1985 300TD - could that have something to do with it? On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If you don't have any luck with the return lines as other suggested and you go for replacement, then replace all the injectors. Or better yet, have them rebuilt by someone competent. But avoid those Indian bosch rebuilds, they're really horrible. I just confirmed this in a 240D I bought a few weeks ago... the car ran very poorly, nailing and knocking. The injectors looked recently installed as they were very clean. They tested ok on the pop tester, but I rebuilt them with new nozzles anyway. Huge improvement. Good luck, Jaime I've seen compression leaks when the nozzle seal/heat shield is not seated properly, and leaks from the lines and from the return hose, but never from the body of an injector. If the nozzles and nozzle holders are un-fiddled with, then you are looking at hoses as the most likely source of the leak, (99%) If someone has recently fiddled with the Nozzle holders, the they may not have been assembled correctly and could be leaking. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_ okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list
Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG
i'd be replacing the return lines now for sure; if you got any of that stuff on the return lines, they may well be shrinking up, and start to pop off making an extra-special mess of the hood liner and everything else under the hood. i still didn't see howl old the return lines are; those things aren't expected to last forever. cheers! e On 01/Jan/15 20:08, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I used orange spray stuff - not too harsh - to clean up the valve cover and injectors and fuel lines. Then went for a 25 mile drive up I-270 and back. I popped the hood - there is no evidence of leakage anywhere. On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 8:35 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org mailto:erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: the return lines are not the metal ones *to* the injectors. and i don't think there'd be any cause to worry about an engine cleaner damaging a metal line, since metal is what most of the engine is made of. cheers! e On 31/Dec/14 13:04, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: You mean the bent metal lines to the injectors? Or the flexible rubber/cloth lines between each injector? On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:21 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: be careful what you clean the engine with; the stock return lines are pretty easily destroyed by many engine degreasers and cleaners. i didn't see how long it's been since you replaced the ones that are in there, but frankly, i'd just replace the return lines all with known new good lines; it's the quickest/cheapest/easiest possible solution, and on the off chance that it doesn't solve the problem it's the easiest way to eliminate them as a possibility of the cause of the leak. cheers! e On 26/Dec/14 19:36, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Great input - thanks. Clearly, I need to clean the engine and watch for the fuel to appear. The cloth injector lines are pristine; in every other case of leaky lines they were saturated (dark colored). Mine are still dry and white from one end to the other. This is a CA version 1985 300TD - could that have something to do with it? On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If you don't have any luck with the return lines as other suggested and you go for replacement, then replace all the injectors. Or better yet, have them rebuilt by someone competent. But avoid those Indian bosch rebuilds, they're really horrible. I just confirmed this in a 240D I bought a few weeks ago... the car ran very poorly, nailing and knocking. The injectors looked recently installed as they were very clean. They tested ok on the pop tester, but I rebuilt them with new nozzles anyway. Huge improvement. Good luck, Jaime I've seen compression leaks when the nozzle seal/heat shield is not seated properly, and leaks from the lines and from the return hose, but never from the body of an injector. If the nozzles and nozzle holders are un-fiddled with, then you are looking at hoses as the most likely source of the leak, (99%) If someone has recently fiddled with the Nozzle holders, the they may not have been assembled correctly and could be leaking. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual
Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG
the return lines are not the metal ones *to* the injectors. and i don't think there'd be any cause to worry about an engine cleaner damaging a metal line, since metal is what most of the engine is made of. cheers! e On 31/Dec/14 13:04, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: You mean the bent metal lines to the injectors? Or the flexible rubber/cloth lines between each injector? On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:21 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: be careful what you clean the engine with; the stock return lines are pretty easily destroyed by many engine degreasers and cleaners. i didn't see how long it's been since you replaced the ones that are in there, but frankly, i'd just replace the return lines all with known new good lines; it's the quickest/cheapest/easiest possible solution, and on the off chance that it doesn't solve the problem it's the easiest way to eliminate them as a possibility of the cause of the leak. cheers! e On 26/Dec/14 19:36, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Great input - thanks. Clearly, I need to clean the engine and watch for the fuel to appear. The cloth injector lines are pristine; in every other case of leaky lines they were saturated (dark colored). Mine are still dry and white from one end to the other. This is a CA version 1985 300TD - could that have something to do with it? On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If you don't have any luck with the return lines as other suggested and you go for replacement, then replace all the injectors. Or better yet, have them rebuilt by someone competent. But avoid those Indian bosch rebuilds, they're really horrible. I just confirmed this in a 240D I bought a few weeks ago... the car ran very poorly, nailing and knocking. The injectors looked recently installed as they were very clean. They tested ok on the pop tester, but I rebuilt them with new nozzles anyway. Huge improvement. Good luck, Jaime I've seen compression leaks when the nozzle seal/heat shield is not seated properly, and leaks from the lines and from the return hose, but never from the body of an injector. If the nozzles and nozzle holders are un-fiddled with, then you are looking at hoses as the most likely source of the leak, (99%) If someone has recently fiddled with the Nozzle holders, the they may not have been assembled correctly and could be leaking. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner
Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG
be careful what you clean the engine with; the stock return lines are pretty easily destroyed by many engine degreasers and cleaners. i didn't see how long it's been since you replaced the ones that are in there, but frankly, i'd just replace the return lines all with known new good lines; it's the quickest/cheapest/easiest possible solution, and on the off chance that it doesn't solve the problem it's the easiest way to eliminate them as a possibility of the cause of the leak. cheers! e On 26/Dec/14 19:36, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Great input - thanks. Clearly, I need to clean the engine and watch for the fuel to appear. The cloth injector lines are pristine; in every other case of leaky lines they were saturated (dark colored). Mine are still dry and white from one end to the other. This is a CA version 1985 300TD - could that have something to do with it? On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If you don't have any luck with the return lines as other suggested and you go for replacement, then replace all the injectors. Or better yet, have them rebuilt by someone competent. But avoid those Indian bosch rebuilds, they're really horrible. I just confirmed this in a 240D I bought a few weeks ago... the car ran very poorly, nailing and knocking. The injectors looked recently installed as they were very clean. They tested ok on the pop tester, but I rebuilt them with new nozzles anyway. Huge improvement. Good luck, Jaime I've seen compression leaks when the nozzle seal/heat shield is not seated properly, and leaks from the lines and from the return hose, but never from the body of an injector. If the nozzles and nozzle holders are un-fiddled with, then you are looking at hoses as the most likely source of the leak, (99%) If someone has recently fiddled with the Nozzle holders, the they may not have been assembled correctly and could be leaking. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG
You mean the bent metal lines to the injectors? Or the flexible rubber/cloth lines between each injector? On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:21 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: be careful what you clean the engine with; the stock return lines are pretty easily destroyed by many engine degreasers and cleaners. i didn't see how long it's been since you replaced the ones that are in there, but frankly, i'd just replace the return lines all with known new good lines; it's the quickest/cheapest/easiest possible solution, and on the off chance that it doesn't solve the problem it's the easiest way to eliminate them as a possibility of the cause of the leak. cheers! e On 26/Dec/14 19:36, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Great input - thanks. Clearly, I need to clean the engine and watch for the fuel to appear. The cloth injector lines are pristine; in every other case of leaky lines they were saturated (dark colored). Mine are still dry and white from one end to the other. This is a CA version 1985 300TD - could that have something to do with it? On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If you don't have any luck with the return lines as other suggested and you go for replacement, then replace all the injectors. Or better yet, have them rebuilt by someone competent. But avoid those Indian bosch rebuilds, they're really horrible. I just confirmed this in a 240D I bought a few weeks ago... the car ran very poorly, nailing and knocking. The injectors looked recently installed as they were very clean. They tested ok on the pop tester, but I rebuilt them with new nozzles anyway. Huge improvement. Good luck, Jaime I've seen compression leaks when the nozzle seal/heat shield is not seated properly, and leaks from the lines and from the return hose, but never from the body of an injector. If the nozzles and nozzle holders are un-fiddled with, then you are looking at hoses as the most likely source of the leak, (99%) If someone has recently fiddled with the Nozzle holders, the they may not have been assembled correctly and could be leaking. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG
The rubber, fabric-covered lines are RETURN lines; the bent steel ones are injector SUPPLY lines. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG You mean the bent metal lines to the injectors? Or the flexible rubber/cloth lines between each injector? On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:21 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: be careful what you clean the engine with; the stock return lines are pretty easily destroyed by many engine degreasers and cleaners. i didn't see how long it's been since you replaced the ones that are in there, but frankly, i'd just replace the return lines all with known new good lines; it's the quickest/cheapest/easiest possible solution, and on the off chance that it doesn't solve the problem it's the easiest way to eliminate them as a possibility of the cause of the leak. cheers! e On 26/Dec/14 19:36, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Great input - thanks. Clearly, I need to clean the engine and watch for the fuel to appear. The cloth injector lines are pristine; in every other case of leaky lines they were saturated (dark colored). Mine are still dry and white from one end to the other. This is a CA version 1985 300TD - could that have something to do with it? On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If you don't have any luck with the return lines as other suggested and you go for replacement, then replace all the injectors. Or better yet, have them rebuilt by someone competent. But avoid those Indian bosch rebuilds, they're really horrible. I just confirmed this in a 240D I bought a few weeks ago... the car ran very poorly, nailing and knocking. The injectors looked recently installed as they were very clean. They tested ok on the pop tester, but I rebuilt them with new nozzles anyway. Huge improvement. Good luck, Jaime I've seen compression leaks when the nozzle seal/heat shield is not seated properly, and leaks from the lines and from the return hose, but never from the body of an injector. If the nozzles and nozzle holders are un-fiddled with, then you are looking at hoses as the most likely source of the leak, (99%) If someone has recently fiddled with the Nozzle holders, the they may not have been assembled correctly and could be leaking. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG
Slow down and repeat that, please. That's a lot to absorb... On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:45 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: The rubber, fabric-covered lines are RETURN lines; the bent steel ones are injector SUPPLY lines. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG You mean the bent metal lines to the injectors? Or the flexible rubber/cloth lines between each injector? On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:21 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: be careful what you clean the engine with; the stock return lines are pretty easily destroyed by many engine degreasers and cleaners. i didn't see how long it's been since you replaced the ones that are in there, but frankly, i'd just replace the return lines all with known new good lines; it's the quickest/cheapest/easiest possible solution, and on the off chance that it doesn't solve the problem it's the easiest way to eliminate them as a possibility of the cause of the leak. cheers! e On 26/Dec/14 19:36, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Great input - thanks. Clearly, I need to clean the engine and watch for the fuel to appear. The cloth injector lines are pristine; in every other case of leaky lines they were saturated (dark colored). Mine are still dry and white from one end to the other. This is a CA version 1985 300TD - could that have something to do with it? On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If you don't have any luck with the return lines as other suggested and you go for replacement, then replace all the injectors. Or better yet, have them rebuilt by someone competent. But avoid those Indian bosch rebuilds, they're really horrible. I just confirmed this in a 240D I bought a few weeks ago... the car ran very poorly, nailing and knocking. The injectors looked recently installed as they were very clean. They tested ok on the pop tester, but I rebuilt them with new nozzles anyway. Huge improvement. Good luck, Jaime I've seen compression leaks when the nozzle seal/heat shield is not seated properly, and leaks from the lines and from the return hose, but never from the body of an injector. If the nozzles and nozzle holders are un-fiddled with, then you are looking at hoses as the most likely source of the leak, (99%) If someone has recently fiddled with the Nozzle holders, the they may not have been assembled correctly and could be leaking. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner
Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG
Simple. Don't touch the steel lines unless you are replacing or testing injectors. Replace the rubber hoses annually. Now, repeat it back to me. Slow down and repeat that, please. That's a lot to absorb... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG
Ascoltate e ripetete:) Sent from my iPhone On Dec 31, 2014, at 7:10 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Simple. Don't touch the steel lines unless you are replacing or testing injectors. Replace the rubber hoses annually. Now, repeat it back to me. Slow down and repeat that, please. That's a lot to absorb... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG
Yes. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 27, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dimitri Sez: I have seen OM615 lines crack several times! Did they have the clamps in place? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG
But very very high mileage car, circa 800K. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 27, 2014, at 1:51 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 27, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dimitri Sez: I have seen OM615 lines crack several times! Did they have the clamps in place? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG
Are you sure it's not the return lines that are leaking? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2014, at 11:43 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: As I was fiddling under the hood to disconnect the monovalve on the 1985 300TD I noticed that at least two injectors were soaking wet! Should I replace all 5 injectors or simply the defective ones? I don't have service records so can't be sure whether any were previously replaced. Is there a type or brand of replacement injector to purchase or eschew? Thanks, and Happy Boxing Day to believers and nonbelievers alike. Andrew 1983 300TD White, runs great but still leaks in driver's footwell despite new s/r seal and cleared drains 1985 300TD CA version with a couple leaky injectors and balky monovalve (perhaps). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG
Replace the little fuel return lines attached to tops of the injectors first - the wetness will likely disappear. Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 12:43 PM Subject: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG As I was fiddling under the hood to disconnect the monovalve on the 1985 300TD I noticed that at least two injectors were soaking wet! Should I replace all 5 injectors or simply the defective ones? I don't have service records so can't be sure whether any were previously replaced. Is there a type or brand of replacement injector to purchase or eschew? Thanks, and Happy Boxing Day to believers and nonbelievers alike. Andrew 1983 300TD White, runs great but still leaks in driver's footwell despite new s/r seal and cleared drains 1985 300TD CA version with a couple leaky injectors and balky monovalve (perhaps). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG
If you don't have any luck with the return lines as other suggested and you go for replacement, then replace all the injectors. Or better yet, have them rebuilt by someone competent. But avoid those Indian bosch rebuilds, they're really horrible. I just confirmed this in a 240D I bought a few weeks ago... the car ran very poorly, nailing and knocking. The injectors looked recently installed as they were very clean. They tested ok on the pop tester, but I rebuilt them with new nozzles anyway. Huge improvement. Good luck, Jaime On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: As I was fiddling under the hood to disconnect the monovalve on the 1985 300TD I noticed that at least two injectors were soaking wet! Should I replace all 5 injectors or simply the defective ones? I don't have service records so can't be sure whether any were previously replaced. Is there a type or brand of replacement injector to purchase or eschew? Thanks, and Happy Boxing Day to believers and nonbelievers alike. Andrew 1983 300TD White, runs great but still leaks in driver's footwell despite new s/r seal and cleared drains 1985 300TD CA version with a couple leaky injectors and balky monovalve (perhaps). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG
If you don't have any luck with the return lines as other suggested and you go for replacement, then replace all the injectors. Or better yet, have them rebuilt by someone competent. But avoid those Indian bosch rebuilds, they're really horrible. I just confirmed this in a 240D I bought a few weeks ago... the car ran very poorly, nailing and knocking. The injectors looked recently installed as they were very clean. They tested ok on the pop tester, but I rebuilt them with new nozzles anyway. Huge improvement. Good luck, Jaime I've seen compression leaks when the nozzle seal/heat shield is not seated properly, and leaks from the lines and from the return hose, but never from the body of an injector. If the nozzles and nozzle holders are un-fiddled with, then you are looking at hoses as the most likely source of the leak, (99%) If someone has recently fiddled with the Nozzle holders, the they may not have been assembled correctly and could be leaking. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG
Great input - thanks. Clearly, I need to clean the engine and watch for the fuel to appear. The cloth injector lines are pristine; in every other case of leaky lines they were saturated (dark colored). Mine are still dry and white from one end to the other. This is a CA version 1985 300TD - could that have something to do with it? On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If you don't have any luck with the return lines as other suggested and you go for replacement, then replace all the injectors. Or better yet, have them rebuilt by someone competent. But avoid those Indian bosch rebuilds, they're really horrible. I just confirmed this in a 240D I bought a few weeks ago... the car ran very poorly, nailing and knocking. The injectors looked recently installed as they were very clean. They tested ok on the pop tester, but I rebuilt them with new nozzles anyway. Huge improvement. Good luck, Jaime I've seen compression leaks when the nozzle seal/heat shield is not seated properly, and leaks from the lines and from the return hose, but never from the body of an injector. If the nozzles and nozzle holders are un-fiddled with, then you are looking at hoses as the most likely source of the leak, (99%) If someone has recently fiddled with the Nozzle holders, the they may not have been assembled correctly and could be leaking. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
