Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
It seems to be a vicious cycle, people get paid less (in real terms) thus have to cut costs. Purchasing gets concentrated into a few big box stores, these stores have the power to set lower wages thus the wages drop further. Hendrik who has to brew his own beer as it is getting too pricey to buy, perhaps Wilton will share some tobacco growing tips as well On 04/04/14 02:02, Randy Bennell wrote: Well, one way or the other we all pay. If Walmart paid higher wages the prices in the store would be higher so it would cost you more when you bought goods. (and don't tell me you don't shop there so it does not relate to you - competition is such that if Walmart's prices were higher, then prices would likely be higher where you do shop) You get to contribute to the monies going to the employees in one way or the other, so at the end of the day, it likely does not matter much. So stop worrying about things you cannot change and be happy! Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
OK so we are not part of the gang anymore? Fine, no vegemite for you. Hendrik who may join a low quality Chinese Merc list as a protest On 04/04/14 09:00, Curt Raymond wrote: You're right of course but the solution is deceptively simple. Don't shop there. Buy a smaller amount of high quality items. TELL PEOPLE WHAT YOU'VE DONE. Buy them high quality made in the west (so USA, Canada, Europe) items so they see how good they are. Help people know that they don't need all that junk and that they can actually live better without it. An example I'm completely taken with Darn Tough socks http://darntough.com/ made in Vermont they're about the best socks I've ever had. They're Merino wool, warm in the winter, cool in the summer. I have both the hike/trek and lifestyle. VERY expensive I pay as much for 1 pair as I'd have paid for a dozen cheap white tube socks but they're a joy to wear. When I only had one pair I looked forward to the day each week when I get to wear them. Now I have 4 or 5 pairs and I'm annoyed on the days they're all in the wash. I won't go back to cheap socks, my feet are too important to me. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
WT[banned sixth letter of the alphabet] is Vegemite made of? On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 2:49 AM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: OK so we are not part of the gang anymore? Fine, no vegemite for you. Hendrik who may join a low quality Chinese Merc list as a protest On 04/04/14 09:00, Curt Raymond wrote: You're right of course but the solution is deceptively simple. Don't shop there. Buy a smaller amount of high quality items. TELL PEOPLE WHAT YOU'VE DONE. Buy them high quality made in the west (so USA, Canada, Europe) items so they see how good they are. Help people know that they don't need all that junk and that they can actually live better without it. An example I'm completely taken with Darn Tough socks http://darntough.com/ made in Vermont they're about the best socks I've ever had. They're Merino wool, warm in the winter, cool in the summer. I have both the hike/trek and lifestyle. VERY expensive I pay as much for 1 pair as I'd have paid for a dozen cheap white tube socks but they're a joy to wear. When I only had one pair I looked forward to the day each week when I get to wear them. Now I have 4 or 5 pairs and I'm annoyed on the days they're all in the wash. I won't go back to cheap socks, my feet are too important to me. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
yes On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 7:17 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Florsheim? ;) Wilt - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? i concur, although i was too cheap at the end of the day to buy them and ended up with johnston murphy instead. that was 25 years ago as i have so little use for real shoes for my dad, there was but one brand of shoe, floorchime, but they have long ago been all imported my understanding is that most johnston and murphy and many allen edmunds are now made offshore. really, there is no US shoe industry left as off the top of my head i can only add alden and a few new balance to the two above off the top of my head as USA shoes On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Just like my dress shoes. Two words: Allen Edmonds Newest pair is 16 years old. Oldest pair in excess of 20. Need to break down and buy a new pair of black loafers this year. Will probably cost me $300 unless I go to Port Washington this summer and attend their tent sale. Money very well spent. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2014, at 10:36 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I have a pair of made in the USA Red Wings and a pair of made in Italy hiking boots which are in fact my daily footwear. After 3 years my hikers need new soles. I'm debating seeing if I can find somebody to do the job or paying LL Bean for another pair. For dress shoes I have a pair of Italian shoes. I bought all the footwear listed above in 1 year and paid more than I'd paid in the previous 10. It was totally worth it. -Curt Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 22:40:09 -0500 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? Message-ID: calk3cy6godtep5g_ph8deavth4_l61+da1ylckzi+psu47x...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: I won't go back to cheap socks, my feet are too important to me. Chinese merino wool? Thanks for recommending darntough socks. What leather do you wear over the socks? I wear Red Wing carefully because they have lines that are china. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
From:arche...@embarqmail.comSent:Friday, April 4, 2014 11:47 PMTo:Mercedes Discussion ListReply To:Mercedes Discussion ListSubject:Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?On 4/In my humble opinion Mao may be clinically depressedYa think? I have stated the same thing, either here, or on Banned myself.Here is a suggestion for people with problems such as clinicaldepression:http://www.lowselfhelpsystems.org/meetings/meetings-per-city.asphttp://www.lowselfhelpsystems.org/meetings/index.asphttp://www.lowselfhelpsystems.org/meetings/meetings-what-happens.aspSam-e and St. John's wort Work well too. Natural and no side effects. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
Seattle school district has been severely underfunding vocational classes for a few decades. They had a reputation as dumping grounds, and the administration wanted to push all kids to universities. Most of the shop teachers and support staff moved on because they got unfunded. Now that STEM is big, the district is thinking some more about maybe doing something so that it has employable products at the end of 14 years. Other districts had been keeping their programs intact, so they got the extra state funding that the egg head idiots passed by. In future there will be kids able to find jobs as nursing assistants, techs and carpenters. That should put the illegals on notice to vacate the jobs clay On Apr 4, 2014, at 4:14 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Randy rambled: ...So we get more and more people with minimal skills who expect a good job without having to work for it. You are repeating what MSM says. There are no skilled jobs available anymore. That is why MSM also tells us that 100k student debt kids are doing barista work or asking if you want fries - they tell us that skill jobs do not exist today. Your best lines were last night - don't buy WalMart. Thanks for rambling - ramble on. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
Mao may be bummed out about the reality of how the world has gone down hill. Where others are making sure their rose colored glasses do not slip off, he took them off and sees things for what they are. clay On Apr 4, 2014, at 11:14 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: From: arche...@embarqmail.com Sent: Friday, April 4, 2014 11:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? On 4/ In my humble opinion Mao may be clinically depressed Ya think? I have stated the same thing, either here, or on Banned myself. Here is a suggestion for people with problems such as clinical depression: http://www.lowselfhelpsystems.org/meetings/meetings-per-city.asp http://www.lowselfhelpsystems.org/meetings/index.asp http://www.lowselfhelpsystems.org/meetings/meetings-what-happens.asp Sam-e and St. John's wort Work well too. Natural and no side effects. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
Rick wrote: Ya think? I have stated the same thing, either here, or on Banned myself. You guys. Go have your job closed out. Closed out. The entire arena across the economy. Tell me you see gobs of infill development. Tell me you see small commercial strips being developed or re-developed. Maybe in your neck of the woods, but not here. Not in 3 years plus. The arena for what I did is gone. No clinical depression involved. Purely rational thought processes and no real clear reason to be around people with head in sand. Lessee... Gerry is well cared for in retirement. Rick is well cared for in union heavy with multi-national employer. Both of ya got yer head in the sand about the reality that some jobs are not there anymore. Not even with 200k jobs each month being had. From what I understand, that is 200k jobs at $10 which ain't gonna hire an old guy, not when there are 12 young guys waiting for hire and stronger for the workforce. They see old guy as working maybe 5 years and then leave. I want my kids to have better job - not me have another job. I disagree with clinical depression and I reject the immediate plea for counsel that is unproven in an arena that is pure circus fleabag purveyors. You won't see it. I see it. Get your head out of the sand. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
clay wrote: Mao may be bummed out about the reality of how the world has gone down hill. Where others are making sure their rose colored glasses do not slip off, he took them off and sees things for what they are. Say it again, please. Hear Hear!! mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
i only buy socks made in fort payne as those people have always been nice to me well, ok, i did cheat on them once 10 years ago buying some wool socks from a mill in NC On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 15:30:50 -0700 From: curtlud...@yahoo.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? An example I'm completely taken with Darn Tough socks http://darntough.com/ made in Vermont they're about the best socks I've ever had. I like Head brand socks myself. Made in USA. http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149207 http://www.amazon.com/Power-Cushioned-Socks-Combed-Cotton/dp/B001E3WXAC/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top Costco has them too. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
yeah, i mean, i find it shocking how much andrew and i see eye to eye. this milton friedman approach of just caring about the dollar bottom line and all else be damned doesn't seem to work on any level on the other hand, i used to love to listen to dr friedman talk as he was witty and brilliant and seemed quite a warm nice man On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I will never be happy knowing that Walmart exists at the expense of taxpayer largesse. I would rather they pay a living wage and let the chips fall where they may. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Well, one way or the other we all pay. If Walmart paid higher wages the prices in the store would be higher so it would cost you more when you bought goods. (and don't tell me you don't shop there so it does not relate to you - competition is such that if Walmart's prices were higher, then prices would likely be higher where you do shop) You get to contribute to the monies going to the employees in one way or the other, so at the end of the day, it likely does not matter much. So stop worrying about things you cannot change and be happy! Randy On 02/04/2014 11:21 PM, OK Don wrote: Nope - it's the Walmart benefits plan - paid by you and me. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: OK Don wrote: I can verify that Walmart's in OK send their new employees to the local welfare office to apply for food stamps and Medicaid. That's *not* a good thing, is it? mao ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
perhaps close enough to fort payne to justify a purchase On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:46 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Thu, 3 Apr 2014 15:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: An example I'm completely taken with Darn Tough socks http://darntough.com/ made in Vermont they're about the best socks I've ever had. To read about more high-end socks, go to: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324682204578515021407071076?mod=WSJ_hp_EditorsPicksmg=reno64-wsjurl=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424127887324682204578515021407071076.html%3Fmod%3DWSJ_hp_EditorsPicks#project=SOCKS0531articleTabs=article Too many Americans have an overstuffed sock drawer, filled with cheaply made products that fall apart and must be replaced several times a year, argues Thomas Lee, a co-founder of Goodhew Socks, based in Chattanooga, Tenn., which asks potential customers to Trust our Thread Architects, the company's sock designers. There's a backlash afoot over the disposability of consumer products, which Americans have taken for granted for 30 years, says Mr. Lee. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
yeah, back in the day, carhartt was all USA. now that i almost fit into them again, i discover they have gone offshore as well :( On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Curt wrote: I won't go back to cheap socks, my feet are too important to me. Chinese merino wool? Thanks for recommending darntough socks. What leather do you wear over the socks? I wear Red Wing carefully because they have lines that are china. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
Just may buy those socks as Christmas presents this year, thanks! -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Sent: April 3, 2014 6:30:50 PM EDT To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? An example I'm completely taken with Darn Tough socks http://darntough.com/ made in Vermont they're about the best socks I've ever had. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Again the answers to your questions are easy. A. We (the royal we here) want to pay as little as possible for everything so we can have more junk. This forces stuff to be made as cheaply as possible which requires slave wages. B. 50 years ago there was no need for education since Johnny could just get a good paying job in the mill. Because of that there wasn't real emphasis on education in the way there probably should have been. Today we still haven't made up for the inertia that held us back in that period... Of course the answers are simple but implementation is difficult. -Curt Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 23:04:56 -0400 From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? Message-ID: C3FFCEFF00204631982EB7BDCC7D22B8@ScottHPPC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII This Walmart hate-in is not logical. Around here, we have freedom to go to Walmart or not. Personally, I'm not going to blame Walmart if I or others choose to shop there. Likewise, I'm not going to blame Walmart if people choose to work there. The questions we should be asking are: (a) Why aren't there more good jobs? and (b) Why aren't more people qualified for the available good jobs? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
I have a pair of made in the USA Red Wings and a pair of made in Italy hiking boots which are in fact my daily footwear. After 3 years my hikers need new soles. I'm debating seeing if I can find somebody to do the job or paying LL Bean for another pair. For dress shoes I have a pair of Italian shoes. I bought all the footwear listed above in 1 year and paid more than I'd paid in the previous 10. It was totally worth it. -Curt Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 22:40:09 -0500 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? Message-ID: calk3cy6godtep5g_ph8deavth4_l61+da1ylckzi+psu47x...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: I won't go back to cheap socks, my feet are too important to me. Chinese merino wool? Thanks for recommending darntough socks. What leather do you wear over the socks? I wear Red Wing carefully because they have lines that are china. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
Just like my dress shoes. Two words: Allen Edmonds Newest pair is 16 years old. Oldest pair in excess of 20. Need to break down and buy a new pair of black loafers this year. Will probably cost me $300 unless I go to Port Washington this summer and attend their tent sale. Money very well spent. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2014, at 10:36 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I have a pair of made in the USA Red Wings and a pair of made in Italy hiking boots which are in fact my daily footwear. After 3 years my hikers need new soles. I'm debating seeing if I can find somebody to do the job or paying LL Bean for another pair. For dress shoes I have a pair of Italian shoes. I bought all the footwear listed above in 1 year and paid more than I'd paid in the previous 10. It was totally worth it. -Curt Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 22:40:09 -0500 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? Message-ID: calk3cy6godtep5g_ph8deavth4_l61+da1ylckzi+psu47x...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: I won't go back to cheap socks, my feet are too important to me. Chinese merino wool? Thanks for recommending darntough socks. What leather do you wear over the socks? I wear Red Wing carefully because they have lines that are china. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Do bear in mind however, that the USA likes to export things too and if everyone bought only goods made in their own country there would be no exports. Like it or not, there is a world economy and we do have to try to fit into it. Theoretically, if they can do it cheaper, or better, or whatever, then it does make sense to buy it from them. Hopefully, we too have products that we are better at and they will buy those from us. Randy On 03/04/2014 5:45 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Agreed. Walmart has only given people what they want. As for their personnel polices, well, that's a whole 'nother issue. I do what Curt does as much as possible. I try to find high quality, American made products when I buy something. Better yet, whenever possible, I try to find local businesses who produce the product or sell them. I believe in keeping my money at home when possible, and while I often pay more for something I could get cheaper at Walmart, I know my money is staying close by and benefitting my local community. If we did this Walmart would not go away, but would be seriously diminished, I believe. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 6:30 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You're right of course but the solution is deceptively simple. Don't shop there. Buy a smaller amount of high quality items. TELL PEOPLE WHAT YOU'VE DONE. Buy them high quality made in the west (so USA, Canada, Europe) items so they see how good they are. Help people know that they don't need all that junk and that they can actually live better without it. An example I'm completely taken with Darn Tough socks http://darntough.com/ made in Vermont they're about the best socks I've ever had. They're Merino wool, warm in the winter, cool in the summer. I have both the hike/trek and lifestyle. VERY expensive I pay as much for 1 pair as I'd have paid for a dozen cheap white tube socks but they're a joy to wear. When I only had one pair I looked forward to the day each week when I get to wear them. Now I have 4 or 5 pairs and I'm annoyed on the days they're all in the wash. I won't go back to cheap socks, my feet are too important to me. -Curt Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 14:41:36 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? Message-ID: 533db970.9090...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I am not the world's biggest fan of Walmart. I don't know what my wife buys there but personally about the only things I have acquired from them in recent times is some Zerex coolant and some Mobil1 oil. However I will come to their defence again. They are not alone. It does not seem to matter where I shop these days, the majority of goods seem to have a Made in China stamp on them. It is sad but it is true and as I said before, we have done it to ourselves and there is no easy fix to it. Big business found cheaper goods and we bought them. We are big time consumers. The advertising flyers promise good deals on junk we don't need every day. We buy it and haul it home and store it. I really don't think you can say it is Walmart's fault. Randy ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Foreign countries - especially the 3rd world countries tend to concentrate on science and technical education much more than we do in the west. They understand that is the way to improving their lot in life. We tend to be lazy and pat people on the back because they got a liberal arts degree. Usually much easier to get a degree in sociology or physcology than in math or engineering or chemistry etc. We don't push our young people hard enough in grade school and they come out for the most part not interested in pushing themselves in university. So we get more and more people with minimal skills who expect a good job without having to work for it. There are a few gifted souls who find the maths and sciences easy but not enough of them. We are no longer able to do what the folks in places like China do. They manage to produce reasonable copies of things we once made. Often made by grandmothers sitting on dirt floors. Maybe almost an exaggeration now but at one time certainly true and maybe still somewhat true for some of the rougher goods that we see. I think the USA was once like that but things got to be too good and the factory workers got unionized and demanded more and more money to do less and less. The auto industry was a good example. Some of the line workers that had been on the job for many years commanded silly hourly wages for what they produced. I think most of us need to accept and remember that we need to earn the money we are paid and that if we cease to do so the employer is going to have a problem one way or another. We have educated too many people in the last few decades in ways that have not helped us much. Too many business grads and not enough engineers etc. The business people are just trying to find ways to make money and most often do not look at what they are doing to the company or the country. The biggest item on the spreadsheet is usually wages. How do we cut wages? We outsource to cheaper labour markets like Mexico and now China. We can build a lawn mower for a whole lot less than when it was made in Milwaukee (sp?) but soon, we have to wonder who we are going to sell it to. If the average guy cannot afford a house then he won't need a lawn mower no matter how cheap he can buy it at Walmart. We have been sold a bill of goods for a long while. The rise of things like television permitted the business grads to advertise to the masses and convince us to buy things whether we needed them or not. Advertising made us want things that our grandparents and even parents never had and did not know they needed. We all wanted to live the dream. We wanted white collar jobs that paid well and we wanted cheap consumer goods. Well we got what we wanted but it came at the expense of many other things. The wife and mother has to work outside the home in order to pay for all of this new stuff. The teachers have to train the children in a whole lot of things they used to learn at home so they don't have as much time to concentrate on the 3 R's etc. None of this is new and I am rambling a bit but as I said before, we have done it to ourselves and we don't know how to get out of it. People our age are the ones who can see the problem. I doubt if most of the younger folks have any idea how things used to be and what they are missing now. Trades people used to be respected and they for the most part tried to provide good service and do a good job. Now many of them work for big companies that contract out through Home Depot. All that matters is profit. That is driven by the business education folks who can hire the liberal arts grad cheap etc. . . . . . I could go on all day but I won't. My mother did not have a microwave oven, or a dishwasher, or a dryer or when I was growing up. My father earned his way as a sort of jack of all trades. He had a sawmill and he did construction work. I, as a hobbiest, have 100X the tools that he ever had. I have tools I have never used and probably don't even know I have. He had pretty basic stuff but he used it well and he did fine. He pounded in nails with a hammer. He never owned an air nailer of any sort, and we are not talking all that long ago. He died in 1983 at age 63. Randy On 04/04/2014 9:33 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Again the answers to your questions are easy. A. We (the royal we here) want to pay as little as possible for everything so we can have more junk. This forces stuff to be made as cheaply as possible which requires slave wages. B. 50 years ago there was no need for education since Johnny could just get a good paying job in the mill. Because of that there wasn't real emphasis on education in the way there probably should have been. Today we still haven't made up for the inertia that held us back in that period... Of course the answers are simple but implementation is difficult. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list
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Click american made retailers on Bing or other search engines. Gerry On 4/3/2014 10:38 PM, Craig wrote: On Thu, 03 Apr 2014 18:45:48 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: On Thu, 3 Apr 2014 15:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: An example I'm completely taken with Darn Tough socks http://darntough.com/ made in Vermont they're about the best socks I've ever had. I do what Curt does as much as possible. I try to find high quality, American made products when I buy something. Better yet, whenever possible, I try to find local businesses who produce the product or sell them. I believe in keeping my money at home when possible, and while I often pay more for something I could get cheaper at Walmart, I know my money is staying close by and benefitting my local community. Well, that is indeed a good idea! How about we all share the good, USA made products we use or know of? Perhaps Kaleb could set up a page on the Okiebenz website to catalog our offerings. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Ya need to buy more of those NC socks. Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? i only buy socks made in fort payne as those people have always been nice to me well, ok, i did cheat on them once 10 years ago buying some wool socks from a mill in NC On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 15:30:50 -0700 From: curtlud...@yahoo.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? An example I'm completely taken with Darn Tough socks http://darntough.com/ made in Vermont they're about the best socks I've ever had. I like Head brand socks myself. Made in USA. http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149207 http://www.amazon.com/Power-Cushioned-Socks-Combed-Cotton/dp/B001E3WXAC/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top Costco has them too. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Regarding Lowe's, I made a number of trips to Lowe's when I first moved here in '07 and was rather disappointed that they either didn't have what I was looking for or one couldn't find anyone knowledgeable enough to help, so I went to the local Ace hardware downtown and found that they are very high on customer service and this store is an old fashioned hardware store (e.g., wooden floors, etc.) and I think I've I've only been there once when they didn't have what I was after. The Ace hardware store in Williamson, NY is very similar. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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How do they compare to Muck boots? Mike On Apr 4, 2014 10:40 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Just like my dress shoes. Two words: Allen Edmonds Newest pair is 16 years old. Oldest pair in excess of 20. Need to break down and buy a new pair of black loafers this year. Will probably cost me $300 unless I go to Port Washington this summer and attend their tent sale. Money very well spent. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2014, at 10:36 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I have a pair of made in the USA Red Wings and a pair of made in Italy hiking boots which are in fact my daily footwear. After 3 years my hikers need new soles. I'm debating seeing if I can find somebody to do the job or paying LL Bean for another pair. For dress shoes I have a pair of Italian shoes. I bought all the footwear listed above in 1 year and paid more than I'd paid in the previous 10. It was totally worth it. -Curt Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 22:40:09 -0500 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? Message-ID: calk3cy6godtep5g_ph8deavth4_l61+da1ylckzi+psu47x...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: I won't go back to cheap socks, my feet are too important to me. Chinese merino wool? Thanks for recommending darntough socks. What leather do you wear over the socks? I wear Red Wing carefully because they have lines that are china. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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i concur, although i was too cheap at the end of the day to buy them and ended up with johnston murphy instead. that was 25 years ago as i have so little use for real shoes for my dad, there was but one brand of shoe, floorchime, but they have long ago been all imported my understanding is that most johnston and murphy and many allen edmunds are now made offshore. really, there is no US shoe industry left as off the top of my head i can only add alden and a few new balance to the two above off the top of my head as USA shoes On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Just like my dress shoes. Two words: Allen Edmonds Newest pair is 16 years old. Oldest pair in excess of 20. Need to break down and buy a new pair of black loafers this year. Will probably cost me $300 unless I go to Port Washington this summer and attend their tent sale. Money very well spent. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2014, at 10:36 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I have a pair of made in the USA Red Wings and a pair of made in Italy hiking boots which are in fact my daily footwear. After 3 years my hikers need new soles. I'm debating seeing if I can find somebody to do the job or paying LL Bean for another pair. For dress shoes I have a pair of Italian shoes. I bought all the footwear listed above in 1 year and paid more than I'd paid in the previous 10. It was totally worth it. -Curt Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 22:40:09 -0500 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? Message-ID: calk3cy6godtep5g_ph8deavth4_l61+da1ylckzi+psu47x...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: I won't go back to cheap socks, my feet are too important to me. Chinese merino wool? Thanks for recommending darntough socks. What leather do you wear over the socks? I wear Red Wing carefully because they have lines that are china. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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as i now reside full time in south florida, my need for NC mill wool socks has gone from limited to non existent i used to have my clothes made by an old woman in the hood from north carolina sourced cloth, but she just stopped working at the youthful age of 93, leaving me to the fat man catalog and offshore clothing (most of which has been really good. the only items i ever got made in china, though, fell apart after a couple of wearings). i figured it wasn't that big of a problem as i'd someday shrink back to carhartt size, but i now learn that even the most iconic of american work clothes is now made offshore On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:20 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Ya need to buy more of those NC socks. Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? i only buy socks made in fort payne as those people have always been nice to me well, ok, i did cheat on them once 10 years ago buying some wool socks from a mill in NC On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 15:30:50 -0700 From: curtlud...@yahoo.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? An example I'm completely taken with Darn Tough socks http://darntough.com/ made in Vermont they're about the best socks I've ever had. I like Head brand socks myself. Made in USA. http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149207 http://www.amazon.com/Power-Cushioned-Socks-Combed-Cotton/ dp/B001E3WXAC/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top Costco has them too. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Randy rambled: ...So we get more and more people with minimal skills who expect a good job without having to work for it. You are repeating what MSM says. There are no skilled jobs available anymore. That is why MSM also tells us that 100k student debt kids are doing barista work or asking if you want fries - they tell us that skill jobs do not exist today. Your best lines were last night - don't buy WalMart. Thanks for rambling - ramble on. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Florsheim? ;) Wilt - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? i concur, although i was too cheap at the end of the day to buy them and ended up with johnston murphy instead. that was 25 years ago as i have so little use for real shoes for my dad, there was but one brand of shoe, floorchime, but they have long ago been all imported my understanding is that most johnston and murphy and many allen edmunds are now made offshore. really, there is no US shoe industry left as off the top of my head i can only add alden and a few new balance to the two above off the top of my head as USA shoes On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Just like my dress shoes. Two words: Allen Edmonds Newest pair is 16 years old. Oldest pair in excess of 20. Need to break down and buy a new pair of black loafers this year. Will probably cost me $300 unless I go to Port Washington this summer and attend their tent sale. Money very well spent. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2014, at 10:36 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I have a pair of made in the USA Red Wings and a pair of made in Italy hiking boots which are in fact my daily footwear. After 3 years my hikers need new soles. I'm debating seeing if I can find somebody to do the job or paying LL Bean for another pair. For dress shoes I have a pair of Italian shoes. I bought all the footwear listed above in 1 year and paid more than I'd paid in the previous 10. It was totally worth it. -Curt Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 22:40:09 -0500 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? Message-ID: calk3cy6godtep5g_ph8deavth4_l61+da1ylckzi+psu47x...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: I won't go back to cheap socks, my feet are too important to me. Chinese merino wool? Thanks for recommending darntough socks. What leather do you wear over the socks? I wear Red Wing carefully because they have lines that are china. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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They don't hafta be wool; how 'bout NC cotton? I'm just trying to drum up a market for the poor farmers around here. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? as i now reside full time in south florida, my need for NC mill wool socks has gone from limited to non existent i used to have my clothes made by an old woman in the hood from north carolina sourced cloth, but she just stopped working at the youthful age of 93, leaving me to the fat man catalog and offshore clothing (most of which has been really good. the only items i ever got made in china, though, fell apart after a couple of wearings). i figured it wasn't that big of a problem as i'd someday shrink back to carhartt size, but i now learn that even the most iconic of american work clothes is now made offshore On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:20 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Ya need to buy more of those NC socks. Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? i only buy socks made in fort payne as those people have always been nice to me well, ok, i did cheat on them once 10 years ago buying some wool socks from a mill in NC On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 15:30:50 -0700 From: curtlud...@yahoo.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? An example I'm completely taken with Darn Tough socks http://darntough.com/ made in Vermont they're about the best socks I've ever had. I like Head brand socks myself. Made in USA. http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149207 http://www.amazon.com/Power-Cushioned-Socks-Combed-Cotton/ dp/B001E3WXAC/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top Costco has them too. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 18:14:03 -0500 From: maontin@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? There are no skilled jobs available anymore. I have to call BS on that one. That is why MSM also tells us that 100k student debt kids are doing barista work or asking if you want fries Because they have LIBERAL ARTS DEGREES. I am busy right now. I will post more help wanted for electricians, mechanical maintenance, ect. in the Chicago-land area if you like, later. http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=electrical+maintenancel=Chicago%2C+IL http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=mechanical+maintenancel=Chicago%2C+IL Just for you... http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=autocad+drafterl=Chicago%2C+IL Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Rick wrote: I will post more help wanted for electricians, mechanical maintenance, ect. in the Chicago-land area if you like, later. Factor in a few outstanding negatives and I bet I still remain without paycheck. Leave the jobs to younger people like I was a few years ago and let the younger live. There comes a time when exit is a nice place. When the theater gets crowded, and the young need space to grow the theater belongs to the young, not mine anymore. Post the help wanted that you find easily, but realize these may not be real jobs - there is lots of that in the listings. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On 4/4/2014 7:23 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 18:14:03 -0500 From: maontin@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? There are no skilled jobs available anymore. I have to call BS on that one. That is why MSM also tells us that 100k student debt kids are doing barista work or asking if you want fries Because they have LIBERAL ARTS DEGREES. I am busy right now. I will post more help wanted for electricians, mechanical maintenance, ect. in the Chicago-land area if you like, later. http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=electrical+maintenancel=Chicago%2C+IL http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=mechanical+maintenancel=Chicago%2C+IL Just for you... http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=autocad+drafterl=Chicago%2C+IL Rick ___ In my humble opinion Mao may be clinically depressed, which is very common among people who have lost their jobs. They don't go out and interview for jobs because of their depressed state. Mao's depressing philosophy of life that older workers should leave the world for younger workers is another possible symptom of depression. The only thing that a person on one of these lists can do to help another person with similar problems is to tell them where they can get help. Here is a suggestion for people with problems such as clinical depression: http://www.lowselfhelpsystems.org/meetings/meetings-per-city.asp http://www.lowselfhelpsystems.org/meetings/index.asp http://www.lowselfhelpsystems.org/meetings/meetings-what-happens.asp If you don't take advantage of Recovery-Inc now, Mao, keep the addresses/telephone numbers in case you do later or write me offline. Recovery-Inc began in 1937, there are weekly meetings in every state, and it's spread to other countries. It works. Good luck, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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And if you see a Symbol/Motorola handheld barcode scanner at the checkout, odds are it was worked on by Yr. Humble Servant. -MMM- On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 11:21 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Nope - it's the Walmart benefits plan - paid by you and me. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Well, one way or the other we all pay. If Walmart paid higher wages the prices in the store would be higher so it would cost you more when you bought goods. (and don't tell me you don't shop there so it does not relate to you - competition is such that if Walmart's prices were higher, then prices would likely be higher where you do shop) You get to contribute to the monies going to the employees in one way or the other, so at the end of the day, it likely does not matter much. So stop worrying about things you cannot change and be happy! Randy On 02/04/2014 11:21 PM, OK Don wrote: Nope - it's the Walmart benefits plan - paid by you and me. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: OK Don wrote: I can verify that Walmart's in OK send their new employees to the local welfare office to apply for food stamps and Medicaid. That's *not* a good thing, is it? mao ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I will never be happy knowing that Walmart exists at the expense of taxpayer largesse. I would rather they pay a living wage and let the chips fall where they may. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Well, one way or the other we all pay. If Walmart paid higher wages the prices in the store would be higher so it would cost you more when you bought goods. (and don't tell me you don't shop there so it does not relate to you - competition is such that if Walmart's prices were higher, then prices would likely be higher where you do shop) You get to contribute to the monies going to the employees in one way or the other, so at the end of the day, it likely does not matter much. So stop worrying about things you cannot change and be happy! Randy On 02/04/2014 11:21 PM, OK Don wrote: Nope - it's the Walmart benefits plan - paid by you and me. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: OK Don wrote: I can verify that Walmart's in OK send their new employees to the local welfare office to apply for food stamps and Medicaid. That's *not* a good thing, is it? mao ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I haven't shopped at Wal-Mart in almost 10 years. So, it does bother me to pay for others beyond what I already give to the government on their abnormal basis. In the small town where I live, Wal-Mart came in and put other stores out of business and then as usual raised their prices. Wal-Mart is sort of like one of the political parties that like to keep citizens poor and beholden to them in order to get their votes, or in this case a job. Anyway, if you look around and buy American made products (which you can still find if you care to look), then Wal-Mart wouldn't be so rich and powerful. Just my opinion, yours can be yours. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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What Roger said. Walmart came into our small town in Wisconsin and in doing so destroyed a thriving business district full of small locally owned businesses. I am still bitter about it to this day, and while I do occasionally shop at Walmart, it pains me to do so. Going through my receipts from last year while doing taxes I found that I had spent a grand total of around $200 at Walmart, a pittance of our total household spending. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:00 PM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't shopped at Wal-Mart in almost 10 years. So, it does bother me to pay for others beyond what I already give to the government on their abnormal basis. In the small town where I live, Wal-Mart came in and put other stores out of business and then as usual raised their prices. Wal-Mart is sort of like one of the political parties that like to keep citizens poor and beholden to them in order to get their votes, or in this case a job. Anyway, if you look around and buy American made products (which you can still find if you care to look), then Wal-Mart wouldn't be so rich and powerful. Just my opinion, yours can be yours. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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You cannot change it so try not to worry about it. We can cry aboout China but the fact remains that China did not come to us so much as we went to them. All of our MBA grads looked for ways to do things cheaper so that their bonuses would be bigger. They are the ones who sold us out. We just went along like sheep happy to get substandard goods cheaper than what we were accustomed to paying. We did it to ourselves and I don't think we can lay all of the fault on Walmart. Randy On 03/04/2014 11:36 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I will never be happy knowing that Walmart exists at the expense of taxpayer largesse. I would rather they pay a living wage and let the chips fall where they may. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Well, one way or the other we all pay. If Walmart paid higher wages the prices in the store would be higher so it would cost you more when you bought goods. (and don't tell me you don't shop there so it does not relate to you - competition is such that if Walmart's prices were higher, then prices would likely be higher where you do shop) You get to contribute to the monies going to the employees in one way or the other, so at the end of the day, it likely does not matter much. So stop worrying about things you cannot change and be happy! Randy On 02/04/2014 11:21 PM, OK Don wrote: Nope - it's the Walmart benefits plan - paid by you and me. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: OK Don wrote: I can verify that Walmart's in OK send their new employees to the local welfare office to apply for food stamps and Medicaid. That's *not* a good thing, is it? mao ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Let's organize a boycott of Walmart by Mercedes diesel lovers. That will get their attention! On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: What Roger said. Walmart came into our small town in Wisconsin and in doing so destroyed a thriving business district full of small locally owned businesses. I am still bitter about it to this day, and while I do occasionally shop at Walmart, it pains me to do so. Going through my receipts from last year while doing taxes I found that I had spent a grand total of around $200 at Walmart, a pittance of our total household spending. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:00 PM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't shopped at Wal-Mart in almost 10 years. So, it does bother me to pay for others beyond what I already give to the government on their abnormal basis. In the small town where I live, Wal-Mart came in and put other stores out of business and then as usual raised their prices. Wal-Mart is sort of like one of the political parties that like to keep citizens poor and beholden to them in order to get their votes, or in this case a job. Anyway, if you look around and buy American made products (which you can still find if you care to look), then Wal-Mart wouldn't be so rich and powerful. Just my opinion, yours can be yours. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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What does a living wage even mean? Does it mean an apartment or a house? Car, bicycle or the shoe leather express? If it does mean a car is it a new car or 20 year old heap? This one you vote with your feet, you don't like Wal-Mart's business practices don't shop there. I don't. One of my Facebook friends was applauding Wal-Mart's push for more American made items, apparently decades of carrying only Chinese stuff doesn't matter as long as they're contrite and say they're going to change. -Curt Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 12:36:20 -0400 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? Message-ID: CAC35L=ukhnpocxvdoa8uc6b9dmund_gq73akersqguz5kmw...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I will never be happy knowing that Walmart exists at the expense of taxpayer largesse. I would rather they pay a living wage and let the chips fall where they may. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Except for Mobil 1 oil for the dizzels. Or that other stuff I buy now. --R On 4/3/14 2:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Let's organize a boycott of Walmart by Mercedes diesel lovers. That will get their attention! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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That was my primary purchase. Mobil1. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 3:10 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Except for Mobil 1 oil for the dizzels. Or that other stuff I buy now. --R On 4/3/14 2:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Let's organize a boycott of Walmart by Mercedes diesel lovers. That will get their attention! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Did you just type aboout or was that Canadian autocorrect? Sorry, I couldn't resist grin Dan y'all Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: You cannot change it so try not to worry about it. We can cry aboout China but the fact remains that China did not come to us so much as we went to them. All of our MBA grads looked for ways to do things cheaper so that their bonuses would be bigger. They are the ones who sold us out. We just went along like sheep happy to get substandard goods cheaper than what we were accustomed to paying. We did it to ourselves and I don't think we can lay all of the fault on Walmart. Randy On 03/04/2014 11:36 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I will never be happy knowing that Walmart exists at the expense of taxpayer largesse. I would rather they pay a living wage and let the chips fall where they may. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Well, one way or the other we all pay. If Walmart paid higher wages the prices in the store would be higher so it would cost you more when you bought goods. (and don't tell me you don't shop there so it does not relate to you - competition is such that if Walmart's prices were higher, then prices would likely be higher where you do shop) You get to contribute to the monies going to the employees in one way or the other, so at the end of the day, it likely does not matter much. So stop worrying about things you cannot change and be happy! Randy On 02/04/2014 11:21 PM, OK Don wrote: Nope - it's the Walmart benefits plan - paid by you and me. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: OK Don wrote: I can verify that Walmart's in OK send their new employees to the local welfare office to apply for food stamps and Medicaid. That's *not* a good thing, is it? mao ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Rich, you need to get with the program. In truth, WM is a leader in installing solar panels on their property, which I support. If they figure out a way to also support US manufacturing and raise their wage by, say, 15 percent across the board, I might even venture into one of their stores to purchase some bottled water (5 dozen for $3.99). On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Except for Mobil 1 oil for the dizzels. Or that other stuff I buy now. --R On 4/3/14 2:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Let's organize a boycott of Walmart by Mercedes diesel lovers. That will get their attention! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On 03/04/2014 1:55 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: What does a living wage even mean? Does it mean an apartment or a house? Car, bicycle or the shoe leather express? If it does mean a car is it a new car or 20 year old heap? This one you vote with your feet, you don't like Wal-Mart's business practices don't shop there. I don't. One of my Facebook friends was applauding Wal-Mart's push for more American made items, apparently decades of carrying only Chinese stuff doesn't matter as long as they're contrite and say they're going to change. -Curt I am not the world's biggest fan of Walmart. I don't know what my wife buys there but personally about the only things I have acquired from them in recent times is some Zerex coolant and some Mobil1 oil. However I will come to their defence again. They are not alone. It does not seem to matter where I shop these days, the majority of goods seem to have a Made in China stamp on them. It is sad but it is true and as I said before, we have done it to ourselves and there is no easy fix to it. Big business found cheaper goods and we bought them. We are big time consumers. The advertising flyers promise good deals on junk we don't need every day. We buy it and haul it home and store it. I really don't think you can say it is Walmart's fault. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Ah, I am just getting old. Fingers don't always do what they should on the keyboard and my eyes cannot see the screen so I don't notice the mistake and my hearing is even worse. What can I say No spell check on this either I guess or it should have nudged me with a red underline or something like that. Randy On 03/04/2014 2:13 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Did you just type aboout or was that Canadian autocorrect? Sorry, I couldn't resist grin Dan y'all Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: You cannot change it so try not to worry about it. We can cry aboout China but the fact remains that China did not come to us so much as we went to them. All of our MBA grads looked for ways to do things cheaper so that their bonuses would be bigger. They are the ones who sold us out. We just went along like sheep happy to get substandard goods cheaper than what we were accustomed to paying. We did it to ourselves and I don't think we can lay all of the fault on Walmart. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On 03/04/2014 2:14 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Rich, you need to get with the program. In truth, WM is a leader in installing solar panels on their property, which I support. If they figure out a way to also support US manufacturing and raise their wage by, say, 15 percent across the board, I might even venture into one of their stores to purchase some bottled water (5 dozen for $3.99). Better check to see if that is Chinese water with appropriate additives. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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You're right of course but the solution is deceptively simple. Don't shop there. Buy a smaller amount of high quality items. TELL PEOPLE WHAT YOU'VE DONE. Buy them high quality made in the west (so USA, Canada, Europe) items so they see how good they are. Help people know that they don't need all that junk and that they can actually live better without it. An example I'm completely taken with Darn Tough socks http://darntough.com/ made in Vermont they're about the best socks I've ever had. They're Merino wool, warm in the winter, cool in the summer. I have both the hike/trek and lifestyle. VERY expensive I pay as much for 1 pair as I'd have paid for a dozen cheap white tube socks but they're a joy to wear. When I only had one pair I looked forward to the day each week when I get to wear them. Now I have 4 or 5 pairs and I'm annoyed on the days they're all in the wash. I won't go back to cheap socks, my feet are too important to me. -Curt Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 14:41:36 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? Message-ID: 533db970.9090...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I am not the world's biggest fan of Walmart. I don't know what my wife buys there but personally about the only things I have acquired from them in recent times is some Zerex coolant and some Mobil1 oil. However I will come to their defence again. They are not alone. It does not seem to matter where I shop these days, the majority of goods seem to have a Made in China stamp on them. It is sad but it is true and as I said before, we have done it to ourselves and there is no easy fix to it. Big business found cheaper goods and we bought them. We are big time consumers. The advertising flyers promise good deals on junk we don't need every day. We buy it and haul it home and store it. I really don't think you can say it is Walmart's fault. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Agreed. Walmart has only given people what they want. As for their personnel polices, well, that's a whole 'nother issue. I do what Curt does as much as possible. I try to find high quality, American made products when I buy something. Better yet, whenever possible, I try to find local businesses who produce the product or sell them. I believe in keeping my money at home when possible, and while I often pay more for something I could get cheaper at Walmart, I know my money is staying close by and benefitting my local community. If we did this Walmart would not go away, but would be seriously diminished, I believe. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 6:30 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You're right of course but the solution is deceptively simple. Don't shop there. Buy a smaller amount of high quality items. TELL PEOPLE WHAT YOU'VE DONE. Buy them high quality made in the west (so USA, Canada, Europe) items so they see how good they are. Help people know that they don't need all that junk and that they can actually live better without it. An example I'm completely taken with Darn Tough socks http://darntough.com/ made in Vermont they're about the best socks I've ever had. They're Merino wool, warm in the winter, cool in the summer. I have both the hike/trek and lifestyle. VERY expensive I pay as much for 1 pair as I'd have paid for a dozen cheap white tube socks but they're a joy to wear. When I only had one pair I looked forward to the day each week when I get to wear them. Now I have 4 or 5 pairs and I'm annoyed on the days they're all in the wash. I won't go back to cheap socks, my feet are too important to me. -Curt Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 14:41:36 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? Message-ID: 533db970.9090...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I am not the world's biggest fan of Walmart. I don't know what my wife buys there but personally about the only things I have acquired from them in recent times is some Zerex coolant and some Mobil1 oil. However I will come to their defence again. They are not alone. It does not seem to matter where I shop these days, the majority of goods seem to have a Made in China stamp on them. It is sad but it is true and as I said before, we have done it to ourselves and there is no easy fix to it. Big business found cheaper goods and we bought them. We are big time consumers. The advertising flyers promise good deals on junk we don't need every day. We buy it and haul it home and store it. I really don't think you can say it is Walmart's fault. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On Thu, 03 Apr 2014 18:45:48 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: On Thu, 3 Apr 2014 15:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: An example I'm completely taken with Darn Tough socks http://darntough.com/ made in Vermont they're about the best socks I've ever had. I do what Curt does as much as possible. I try to find high quality, American made products when I buy something. Better yet, whenever possible, I try to find local businesses who produce the product or sell them. I believe in keeping my money at home when possible, and while I often pay more for something I could get cheaper at Walmart, I know my money is staying close by and benefitting my local community. Well, that is indeed a good idea! How about we all share the good, USA made products we use or know of? Perhaps Kaleb could set up a page on the Okiebenz website to catalog our offerings. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 15:30:50 -0700 From: curtlud...@yahoo.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? An example I'm completely taken with Darn Tough socks http://darntough.com/ made in Vermont they're about the best socks I've ever had. I like Head brand socks myself. Made in USA. http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149207 http://www.amazon.com/Power-Cushioned-Socks-Combed-Cotton/dp/B001E3WXAC/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top Costco has them too. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On Thu, 3 Apr 2014 15:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: An example I'm completely taken with Darn Tough socks http://darntough.com/ made in Vermont they're about the best socks I've ever had. To read about more high-end socks, go to: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324682204578515021407071076?mod=WSJ_hp_EditorsPicksmg=reno64-wsjurl=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424127887324682204578515021407071076.html%3Fmod%3DWSJ_hp_EditorsPicks#project=SOCKS0531articleTabs=article Too many Americans have an overstuffed sock drawer, filled with cheaply made products that fall apart and must be replaced several times a year, argues Thomas Lee, a co-founder of Goodhew Socks, based in Chattanooga, Tenn., which asks potential customers to Trust our Thread Architects, the company's sock designers. There's a backlash afoot over the disposability of consumer products, which Americans have taken for granted for 30 years, says Mr. Lee. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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This Walmart hate-in is not logical. Around here, we have freedom to go to Walmart or not. Personally, I'm not going to blame Walmart if I or others choose to shop there. Likewise, I'm not going to blame Walmart if people choose to work there. The questions we should be asking are: (a) Why aren't there more good jobs? and (b) Why aren't more people qualified for the available good jobs? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Roger wrote: Anyway, if you look around and buy American made products (which you can still find if you care to look), then Wal-Mart wouldn't be so rich and powerful. Just my opinion, yours can be yours. Same as my opinion. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Maybe I should rephrase the question this way: Why can't North America (including the US) make competitive consumer products? -Original Message- From: Scott Ritchey Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 11:05 PM This Walmart hate-in is not logical. Around here, we have freedom to go to Walmart or not. Personally, I'm not going to blame Walmart if I or others choose to shop there. Likewise, I'm not going to blame Walmart if people choose to work there. The questions we should be asking are: (a) Why aren't there more good jobs? and (b) Why aren't more people qualified for the available good jobs? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Randy wrote: You cannot change it so try not to worry about it. We did it to ourselves and I don't think we can lay all of the fault on Walmart. +1 Totally!! mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Curt wrote: What does a living wage even mean? It means stop yer bitchin' and let it be. I bitch today because I won't ever have a paycheck again but when I had job I just did what I could do with what I had. Never able to qualify for mortgage, never borrow money, we ate well, quite healthy, don't visit doctors, had babies born at home, etc. Yeah - living wage is always a little bit more, always bitchin' mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Curt wrote: I won't go back to cheap socks, my feet are too important to me. Chinese merino wool? Thanks for recommending darntough socks. What leather do you wear over the socks? I wear Red Wing carefully because they have lines that are china. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Scott wrote: Maybe I should rephrase the question this way: Why can't North America (including the US) make competitive consumer products? Maybe a MadeInUSA IPO that okiebenz buys can let the makers know that we want to buy American. Okiebenz is doing much to work our lives back to memorable good dayz, perhaps. Somehow the manufacturers need to see a market ready to buy USA stuff paying decent wage and priced for everyman. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I can verify that Walmart's in OK send their new employees to the local welfare office to apply for food stamps and Medicaid. 14. Of the 1.6 million employees, only 1.2% make a living above the poverty level. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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OK Don wrote: I can verify that Walmart's in OK send their new employees to the local welfare office to apply for food stamps and Medicaid. That's *not* a good thing, is it? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Nope - it's the Walmart benefits plan - paid by you and me. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: OK Don wrote: I can verify that Walmart's in OK send their new employees to the local welfare office to apply for food stamps and Medicaid. That's *not* a good thing, is it? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
