Re: acx/ath card information
Tom Van Looy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually the manpages said DWL-G650 should be supported by acx, well it appears as an ath on my machine. the DWL-G650 is ath, the DWL-G650+ (note the plus) is acx. -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/ http://www.datadok.no/ http://www.nuug.no/ First, we kill all the spammers The Usenet Bard, Twice-forwarded tales delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.
Re: [Fwd: Shipped Order:2007/3/12-13:27:10-21493:]
Allie D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: YES ! It's on it's way !! got mine on wednesday :) http://www.bsdly.net/~peter/OpenBSD41_bergen_01.jpg, http://www.bsdly.net/~peter/OpenBSD41_bergen_02.jpg -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/ http://www.datadok.no/ http://www.nuug.no/ First, we kill all the spammers The Usenet Bard, Twice-forwarded tales delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.
Re: running OpenBSD on switch hardware
Hi Claudio, On Fri, 06.04.2007 at 12:09:38 +0200, Claudio Jeker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even the most expensive Cisco/Foundry/Extreme switches have not the CPU power to route or filter packets. how comes they boast running BGP and such stuff? Eg. Cisco 6509 and up, or Extreme Black Diamond? This requires real routing capabilities, doesn't it? Best, --Toni++
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Re: running OpenBSD on switch hardware
On 2007/04/20 09:48, Toni Mueller wrote: Hi Claudio, On Fri, 06.04.2007 at 12:09:38 +0200, Claudio Jeker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even the most expensive Cisco/Foundry/Extreme switches have not the CPU power to route or filter packets. how comes they boast running BGP and such stuff? Eg. Cisco 6509 and up, Smaller Ciscos than that run BGP (e.g. cat3550/3560/3750) at least up to some routing table sizes (no chance for a full internet table, but some people run these in a mixed network with OpenBGP handling most of the BGP work via multihop sessions, and the L3 switches handling much of the packet forwarding). or Extreme Black Diamond? This requires real routing capabilities, doesn't it? They have a small/medium sized cpu, which runs the routing protocols and maintaining the FDB, there are also fast lookup tables (called TCAM on Cisco) which can be used by the switch ASICs to lookup IP destinations and switch them. Check out the 'local context addressing' section in http://www.juniper.net/solutions/literature/white_papers/200161.pdf (when reading this article bear in mind Cisco now sell a lot of L3 switches for what is traditionally 'router' use, obviously Juniper would like to discourage that :-) Run out of TCAM space (as might happen with worm/ddos traffic), or configure things that need the main processor to look at packets, and the CPU (e.g. PowerPC 405, MIPS R7000) starts to get awfully busy...
Re: running OpenBSD on switch hardware
On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 09:48:44AM +0200, Toni Mueller wrote: Hi Claudio, On Fri, 06.04.2007 at 12:09:38 +0200, Claudio Jeker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even the most expensive Cisco/Foundry/Extreme switches have not the CPU power to route or filter packets. how comes they boast running BGP and such stuff? Eg. Cisco 6509 and up, or Extreme Black Diamond? This requires real routing capabilities, doesn't it? Depends on your definition of routing capabilities. Layer 3 switches (ab)use the CAM to do route lookups. For example the Cisco 7600 switching router is able to route/switch at high pps rates under normal (lab) circumstances but they start to trash when your network is under a DDoS attack. This comes from the fact that the CAM table is overflooded and so many packets are redirected to the CPU for a slow routing lookup. Most L3 switches have small CAM tables and so only small routing tables can be handled efficently on those systems (small as in 20'000 routes which is nothing compared to the 215'000 bgp prefixes seen on a full view). Also note that switching router do lookups in HW so any feature that is not part of the HW engine needs help from the main CPU. Tunneling, IPsec, statefull filtering, L2TP, MPLS VPN and so on are either not available or are done fully in software. L3 switches can be compared to running a system with 64M Ram and 4GB of swap. Paging and swapping makes the box comparable to one with 4GB of RAM until your running processes start to use more than the 64M available. -- :wq Claudio
Re: Openbsd ipsec with cisco vpn client
On Thu, Apr 19 2007 at 53:12, carlopmart wrote: Hi all, Hi, Somebody have tried to use cisco vpn client to connect to openbsd ipsec gateway using user and pass or x509 certificates? Can somebody sends me some examples ? It's explicitely forbidden in the license. So I didn't took time to try it, sorry. Claer
Re: Openbsd ipsec with cisco vpn client
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007, Claer wrote: On Thu, Apr 19 2007 at 53:12, carlopmart wrote: Somebody have tried to use cisco vpn client to connect to openbsd ipsec gateway using user and pass or x509 certificates? Can somebody sends me some examples ? It's explicitely forbidden in the license. So I didn't took time to try it, sorry. Do you mean that the license forbids using a Cisco vpn client with an OpenBSD ipsec gateway? If so, can you point to the URL for the license? -Lars Lars NoodC)n ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Ensure access to your data now and in the future http://opendocumentfellowship.org/about_us/contribute
Re: Openbsd ipsec with cisco vpn client
Am Donnerstag, den 19.04.2007, 12:53 +0200 schrieb carlopmart:
Hi all,
Somebody have tried to use cisco vpn client to connect to openbsd ipsec
gateway using user and pass or x509 certificates? Can somebody sends me some
examples ?
This will not work.
The Cisco Client gets his configuration and tunnel policy through the
cisco pix or ipsec-concentrator.
There is no option for OpenBSD ipsec to do that.
many thanks.
If you are looking for a way better solution take a look at OpenVPN.
There are clients for Win32 - OS/X - Linux - *BSD
For Win/Mac Users it is simmiliar to the vpn client from cisco. Easy to
use. The Admin of a OpenVPN Server can deploy policys and filters and
there are tons of options.
OpenVPN works like a charm on OpenBSD and is imho the better solution.
( For End User stuff. )
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Re: Webservers with Terrabytes of Data in - recomended setups
* Joachim Schipper [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-04-20 00:36]: On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 10:51:56PM +0100, Stuart Henderson wrote: I don't think NFS/AFS is that good an idea; you'll need very beefy fileservers and a fast network. NFS may actually be useful; if you really need the files in one directory space for management/updates that's a way to do it (i.e. mount all the various storage servers by NFS on a management station/ftp server/whatever). Something like that might be a very good idea, yes. Just don't try to serve everything directly off NFS. there is nothing wrong with serving directly from NFS. -- Henning Brauer, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] BS Web Services, http://bsws.de Full-Service ISP - Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services Dedicated Servers, Rootservers, Application Hosting - Hamburg Amsterdam
Re: running OpenBSD on switch hardware
Pete Vickers [EMAIL PROTECTED] | +47 48 17 91 00 Systemnet AS On 20 Apr 2007, at 10:42 AM, Claudio Jeker wrote: On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 09:48:44AM +0200, Toni Mueller wrote: Hi Claudio, On Fri, 06.04.2007 at 12:09:38 +0200, Claudio Jeker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even the most expensive Cisco/Foundry/Extreme switches have not the CPU power to route or filter packets. how comes they boast running BGP and such stuff? Eg. Cisco 6509 and up, or Extreme Black Diamond? This requires real routing capabilities, doesn't it? Depends on your definition of routing capabilities. Layer 3 switches (ab)use the CAM to do route lookups. For example the Cisco 7600 switching router is able to route/switch at high pps rates under normal (lab) circumstances but they start to trash when your network is under a DDoS attack. This comes from the fact that the CAM table is overflooded and so many packets are redirected to the CPU for a slow routing lookup. Most L3 switches have small CAM tables and so only small routing tables can be handled efficently on those systems (small as in 20'000 routes which is nothing compared to the 215'000 bgp prefixes seen on a full view). Also note that switching router do lookups in HW so any feature that is not part of the HW engine needs help from the main CPU. Tunneling, IPsec, statefull filtering, L2TP, MPLS VPN and so on are either not available or are done fully in software. L3 switches can be compared to running a system with 64M Ram and 4GB of swap. Paging and swapping makes the box comparable to one with 4GB of RAM until your running processes start to use more than the 64M available. -- :wq Claudio Hi, With SUP32/SUP720 and PFC2/3 this is much less a problem, as stated below. In fact, you can do a lot of config on the TCAM itself to mitigate DDoS associated problems: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps708/ products_white_paper09186a00800c9470.shtml#wp43045 /Pete
Re: 4.0-stable lockup SOLVED (temporarily)
Adam Hawes wrote: The solution I came to is very simple. Currently I only need one of em (dual card), so I disabled the second one. When I boot the router, my network usage rises up to 96%. I simlpy mark that unusable interface (em1) as up and few seconds later I mark the same interface down. My network usage drops significantly, currently I am looking it shows 75%. The router is running without locking for 25 hours now. I am also planning an upgrade to 4.1 if there are changes to em driver. Out of curiosity, they're not connected to the same ethernet segment are they? No, only one is connected, the other one is still disconnected (I will use it for a dedicated pfsync when I am getting the backup router). Regards, Mitja
Re: Webservers with Terrabytes of Data in - recomended setups
On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 12:36:29PM +0200, Henning Brauer wrote: * Joachim Schipper [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-04-20 00:36]: On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 10:51:56PM +0100, Stuart Henderson wrote: I don't think NFS/AFS is that good an idea; you'll need very beefy fileservers and a fast network. NFS may actually be useful; if you really need the files in one directory space for management/updates that's a way to do it (i.e. mount all the various storage servers by NFS on a management station/ftp server/whatever). Something like that might be a very good idea, yes. Just don't try to serve everything directly off NFS. there is nothing wrong with serving directly from NFS. Really? You have a lot more experience in this area, so I will defer to you if you are sure, but it seems to me that in the sort of system I explicitly assumed (something like a web farm), serving everything off NFS would involve either very expensive hardware or be rather slow. I see how in your example - a lot of storage, not accessed often - just serving everything off NFS makes perfect sense. However, that was not what I was talking about. Perhaps you could elaborate a little? I'm interested, at least... Joachim -- TFMotD: hostapd.conf (5) - configuration file for the Host Access Point daemon
Re: Openbsd ipsec with cisco vpn client
Claer wrote: 2. Cisco Systems hereby grants you the right to install and use the Software on an unlimited number of computers, provided that each of those computers must use the Software only to connect to Cisco Systems products, and subject to export restrictions in Paragraph 4 hereof. It's questionable if that is a legal limitation. It's like Ford would sell you a car but you could only drive to places Ford had approved of. Just because it's in a license doesn't mean it's legally valid. --- Lars Hansson
Re: Back again with funny network interfaces
On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 06:16:32AM -0700, Manuel Ravasio wrote: I have a doubt... PCMCIA ethernet interface cannot negotiate more than 10Mbps, ignoring my trials to force 100full... PCMCIA wireless interface doesn't run at more than 11Mbps, ignoring my trials to force 54Mbps... Maybe it's something with old PCMCIA cardbus? pcmcia cardbus is an oxymoron. pcmcia is a 16bit isa-like bus w/ 3.3v and 5v power. cardbus is a pci-like 32bit bus w/ 3.3v power only. pccard is a form factor for this devices also. so what exactly do you have? (: cu -- paranoic mickey (my employers have changed but, the name has remained)
spamd - good job!
I'm finally upgrading from 3.5 to 4.0! I use the whitelist from puremagic and in the past 2.5 years I have also added another 10 ip addresses to spamd whitelist because of problems with mail getting through. This week I did tests on 3 of those ip addresses and we are 3/3 for current spamd accepting connections without whitelist. Great job! I've also done some practice runs with in-place upgrades to snapshot; and plan to upgrade to 4.1 soon after disks arrive.
Re: gunzip changes lastmod time?
At 02:09 PM 4/19/07, Charles Longeau wrote: 2007/4/19, Frank Bax [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On an older box still running 3.5; gunzip/gzip does not change lastmod time; but on 4.0 [release] gunzip changes the lastmod time. What's the reason for this change? This was a bug and it has been fixed. For more info, please see : http://cvs.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/query-pr-wrapper?full=yesnumbers=5417 Wow; I missed my big chance. I actually spotted the problem in January, but thought I must have missed something. My first assumption is always that any problem I see must have been by some else first; or I'm doing something wrong.
Re: Back again with funny network interfaces
On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 06:16:32AM -0700, Manuel Ravasio wrote: | I have a doubt... | | PCMCIA ethernet interface cannot negotiate more than 10Mbps, ignoring my | trials to force 100full... | PCMCIA wireless interface doesn't run at more than 11Mbps, ignoring my trials | to force 54Mbps... | | Maybe it's something with old PCMCIA cardbus? No. I've had a 10/100MBit PCMCIA NIC. It would link at 100Mbit, but I could never transfer that much data over it. The PCMCIA bus limits the traffic you can get from the network onto your system (or vice versa) but it doesn't limit the speed at which the NIC will link. Cheers, Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd -- [++-]+++.+++[---].+++[+ +++-].++[-]+.--.[-] http://www.weirdnet.nl/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]
Re: 4.0-stable lockup SOLVED NOT!
On 2007/04/20 15:11, Mitja wrote: Do you mean interrupt%? bsd.mp will probably drop that *way* down. No, memory management routines (netstat -m). ah, right. The thing to look at there is the difference between peak and max of mbuf clusters in use. Also look at net.inet.ip.ifq sysctl, if there are some drops, you can bump net.inet.ip.ifq.maxlen gradually until the drops stop. Are you saying I should try with bsd.mp kernel with a single core cpu (opteron 146)? If you are spending a lot of cpu time processing interrupts, see top(1), this should make quite a difference. If you are spending nearly 100% processing interrupts even with no network traffic, then either the bios update, or changing to ACPI, would help that. You may need to also disable USB (may have been one of the things fixed by moving to either acpi or a newer bios, I don't recall). DamnI was speaking too fast, it just locked up again. This time after 38 hours, it is an improvement, though. Most of mine are on original bios, -current from around the time 4.1 was It is a production router so I can't update to current just now, at least until I get a backup. I'll try to update bios later today. You need this commit: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-cvsm=117200696111354w=2 Updating the bios fixes some possible interrupt problems but won't stop hangs/crashes. Thank you for you hints. No trouble, I spent 6+ months trying different things on these, if I can save someone else some of the pain that will be good!
Re: Back again with funny network interfaces
mickey wrote: Maybe it's something with old PCMCIA cardbus? pcmcia cardbus is an oxymoron. pcmcia is a 16bit isa-like bus w/ 3.3v and 5v power. cardbus is a pci-like 32bit bus w/ 3.3v power only. pccard is a form factor for this devices also. people can't memorize computer industries acronyms... qed.
Re: Webservers with Terrabytes of Data in - recomended setups
On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 09:03:54AM -0500, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote:
from my observations redundancy is the biggest problem with NFS
and that its ability to efficiently serve up data is more than
ample.
Redundancy is certainly a problem, but lots of US HPC and
distributed computing sites have severe scaling problems with NFS.
High r/w traffic has killed several file servers in projects that we
work with, and it sucks big time. I don't know anyone who's happy or
excited or confident in their HPC NFS deployments; everyone I've
talked to hopes for a real solution to this problem. ;)
If the OP's use case involves lots of writes (especially from many
clients), I'd be concerned about NFS' ability to keep up. Then
again, I've had problems with pretty much all of the network
filesystems (including AFS, though it's the least bad in my
experience).
I'm still waiting for Ceph[0] to mature (and to shed its linuxisms).
;)
[0] http://ceph.sf.net/
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Re: Back again with funny network interfaces
I have a doubt... PCMCIA ethernet interface cannot negotiate more than 10Mbps, ignoring my trials to force 100full... PCMCIA wireless interface doesn't run at more than 11Mbps, ignoring my trials to force 54Mbps... Maybe it's something with old PCMCIA cardbus? Bud Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Webservers with Terrabytes of Data in - recomended setups
Joachim Schipper wrote: there is nothing wrong with serving directly from NFS. Really? You have a lot more experience in this area, so I will defer to you if you are sure, but it seems to me that in the sort of system I explicitly assumed (something like a web farm), serving everything off NFS would involve either very expensive hardware or be rather slow. I see how in your example - a lot of storage, not accessed often - just serving everything off NFS makes perfect sense. However, that was not what I was talking about. at HPC facilities (LANL, sandia, LLNL, argonne, etc) NFS is used extensively for this purpose since the amount of storage required for simulation outputs greatly outstrips the storage that any one machine can provide, especially the compute nodes. before i switched my email address i would get regular notifications that NFS filesystems were down for this-or-that many hours at compute facility X. from my observations redundancy is the biggest problem with NFS and that its ability to efficiently serve up data is more than ample. AFS provides additional redundancy via volume replication and having the various services that comprise it spread over several machines. there is a lot of documentation to go through tho. cheers, jake Perhaps you could elaborate a little? I'm interested, at least... Joachim
Re: Openbsd ipsec with cisco vpn client
On Fri, Apr 20 2007 at 34:05, Lars D. Nood?n wrote: On Fri, 20 Apr 2007, Claer wrote: On Thu, Apr 19 2007 at 53:12, carlopmart wrote: Somebody have tried to use cisco vpn client to connect to openbsd ipsec gateway using user and pass or x509 certificates? Can somebody sends me some examples ? It's explicitely forbidden in the license. So I didn't took time to try it, sorry. Do you mean that the license forbids using a Cisco vpn client with an OpenBSD ipsec gateway? If so, can you point to the URL for the license? Exactly. The license obliges Cisco VPN Clients to connect to Cisco equipments only. It is written on the License agreement (EULA) you accept when installing the client. Here is the interesting part : 2. Cisco Systems hereby grants you the right to install and use the Software on an unlimited number of computers, provided that each of those computers must use the Software only to connect to Cisco Systems products, and subject to export restrictions in Paragraph 4 hereof. We responded to a public offer where the client wanted to connect to free software gateway using the Cisco client, thats why we looked into the license part. Claer
Re: Back again with funny network interfaces
Maybe it's something with old PCMCIA cardbus? pcmcia cardbus is an oxymoron. pcmcia is a 16bit isa-like bus w/ 3.3v and 5v power. cardbus is a pci-like 32bit bus w/ 3.3v power only. pccard is a form factor for this devices also. people can't memorize computer industries acronyms... qed. (Andrew Steven Grove)
Re: Back again with funny network interfaces
pcmcia cardbus is an oxymoron. Whoops... Something like childproof and CiscoWorks? :-) pcmcia is a 16bit isa-like bus w/ 3.3v and 5v power. cardbus is a pci-like 32bit bus w/ 3.3v power only. pccard is a form factor for this devices also. Hmmm... I have something that looks like a couple of pcmcia cards, which fit into two pcmcia slots... I don't have a tester at home, so I can't check voltages. The laptop is quite old, (8 years old at the very least), the wireless card is a Netgear WPN511, described only as pccard, the ethernet card... I can't really say, there's nothing interesting written on it. I suppose I'm talking about pcmcia, but anyway Paul de Weerd wways it doesn't matter. This evening I'll try with my (way newer) Dell company laptop, on which I've just finished re-installing OpenBSD 4.0, using the same configurations. Thank you all anyway, have a nice weekend, Manuel Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Back again with funny network interfaces
On 4/20/07, Manuel Ravasio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have something that looks like a couple of pcmcia cards, which fit into two pcmcia slots... I don't have a tester at home, so I can't check voltages. PCMCIA and CardBus cards are physically (very slightly) different: http://www.pcmcia.org/faq.htm#cardbuscard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardbus#CardBus -- ach
U320 Drive on U160 controller?
Hi, I'm trying to add a second drive to the new to me SuperMicro server I just purchased off ebay. It has an Adaptec AIC-7899 U160 controller (dmesg below) but I'm finding a lot more U320 drives for sale than I am U160s. Will a U320 drive fall back to the U160 bandwidth? I'm finding conflicting advice on google, some say no problem, other say I'll kill the U320 in short order, not seeing any hints in the man pages. Thanks, Jeff Ross OpenBSD 4.1-current (GENERIC.MP) #1: Fri Apr 13 12:54:01 MDT 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC.MP cpu0: Intel Pentium III (GenuineIntel 686-class) 800 MHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,MMX,FXSR,SSE real mem = 1073311744 (1048156K) avail mem = 971886592 (949108K) using 4278 buffers containing 53788672 bytes (52528K) of memory mainbus0 (root) bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 12/14/00, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfdb90, SMBIOS rev. 2.3 @ 0xf0640 (50 entries) bios0: Supermicro 370DER apm0 at bios0: Power Management spec V1.2 apm0: AC on, battery charge unknown, estimated 0:00 hours apm0: APM get event: interface not connected (3) apm0: APM get event: interface not connected (3) apm0: disconnected apm0: flags b0102 dobusy 0 doidle 0 pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.1 @ 0xf/0x1 pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xf5380/144 (7 entries) pcibios0: PCI Interrupt Router at 000:15:0 (ServerWorks OSB4 rev 0x00) pcibios0: PCI bus #1 is the last bus bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0x8000 0xc8000/0x1000 0xc9000/0x6000 0xcf000/0x1000 0xd/0x1000 mainbus0: Intel MP Specification (Version 1.4) cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: apic clock running at 133 MHz cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor) cpu1: Intel Pentium III (GenuineIntel 686-class) 800 MHz cpu1: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,SER,MMX,FXSR,SSE mainbus0: bus 0 is type PCI mainbus0: bus 1 is type PCI mainbus0: bus 2 is type PCI mainbus0: bus 3 is type ISA ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 4 pa 0xfec0, version 11, 16 pins ioapic1 at mainbus0: apid 5 pa 0xfec01000, version 11, 16 pins pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (no bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 ServerWorks CNB20HE Host rev 0x23 ppb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 1 ServerWorks CNB20LE Host rev 0x01 pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 ATI Mach64 GM rev 0x27 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) pchb1 at pci0 dev 0 function 2 ServerWorks CNB20HE Host rev 0x01 pchb2 at pci0 dev 0 function 3 ServerWorks CNB20HE Host rev 0x01 pci2 at pchb2 bus 2 em0 at pci2 dev 1 function 0 Intel PRO/1000XT (82544EI) rev 0x02: apic 5 int 6 (irq 11), address 00:02:b3:d5:63:2d fxp0 at pci0 dev 4 function 0 Intel 8255x rev 0x08, i82559: apic 5 int 12 (irq 11), address 00:30:48:11:23:eb inphy0 at fxp0 phy 1: i82555 10/100 PHY, rev. 4 ahc0 at pci0 dev 5 function 0 Adaptec AIC-7899 U160 rev 0x01: apic 5 int 10 (irq 5) scsibus0 at ahc0: 16 targets sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: QUANTUM, ATLAS10K2-TY184J, DDD6 SCSI3 0/direct fixed sd0: 17510MB, 17338 cyl, 5 head, 413 sec, 512 bytes/sec, 35860910 sec total ahc1 at pci0 dev 5 function 1 Adaptec AIC-7899 U160 rev 0x01: apic 5 int 11 (irq 10) scsibus1 at ahc1: 16 targets fxp1 at pci0 dev 6 function 0 Intel 8255x rev 0x08, i82559: apic 5 int 15 (irq 9), address 00:30:48:11:23:ec inphy1 at fxp1 phy 1: i82555 10/100 PHY, rev. 4 piixpm0 at pci0 dev 15 function 0 ServerWorks OSB4 rev 0x50: polling iic0 at piixpm0 lmenv0 at iic0 addr 0x2d: lm87 rev 4 lmenv1 at iic0 addr 0x2e: lm87 rev 4 pciide0 at pci0 dev 15 function 1 ServerWorks OSB4 IDE rev 0x00: DMA atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0 scsibus2 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets cd0 at scsibus2 targ 0 lun 0: MATSHITA, CD-ROM CR-177, 7T03 SCSI0 5/cdrom removable cd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2, Ultra-DMA mode 2 ohci0 at pci0 dev 15 function 2 ServerWorks OSB4/CSB5 USB rev 0x04: apic 4 int 10 (irq 10), version 1.0, legacy support usb0 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0 at usb0 uhub0: ServerWorks OHCI root hub, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered isa0 at mainbus0 isadma0 at isa0 pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot) pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0 pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61 midi0 at pcppi0: PC speaker spkr0 at pcppi0 lpt0 at isa0 port 0x378/4 irq 7 npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: reported by CPUID; using exception 16 pccom0 at isa0 port 0x3f8/8 irq 4: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo pccom1 at isa0 port 0x2f8/8 irq 3: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo fdc0 at isa0 port 0x3f0/6 irq 6 drq 2 fd0 at fdc0 drive 0: 1.44MB 80 cyl, 2 head, 18 sec pctr: 686-class user-level performance counters enabled mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support aue0 at uhub0 port 1 aue0: 3Com 3C460B 10/100 Etherthernet Ada, rev 1.10/1.01, addr 2 aue0: address 00:04:76:00:a2:24 acphy0 at aue0 phy 1:
Re: Webservers with Terrabytes of Data in - recomended setups
Jason Beaudoin wrote: snip Use all the tricks you can for YOUR solution, including: * lots of small partitions What are the reasonings behind this? Thanks for the awesome post! I think it runs something like this If there is a problem somewhere on the disk, if it's all one big partition, you must fix the big partition if it's lots of small partitions, you fix the one with the problem. Even worse, in some situations, the difference is between being dead and being somewhat crippled. Methinks there's lots of hard-won experience behind Nick's answers ;)
Re: U320 Drive on U160 controller?
Will work just fine. Might as well purchase an mpt board (mpi). On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 10:14:54AM -0600, Jeff Ross wrote: Hi, I'm trying to add a second drive to the new to me SuperMicro server I just purchased off ebay. It has an Adaptec AIC-7899 U160 controller (dmesg below) but I'm finding a lot more U320 drives for sale than I am U160s. Will a U320 drive fall back to the U160 bandwidth? I'm finding conflicting advice on google, some say no problem, other say I'll kill the U320 in short order, not seeing any hints in the man pages. Thanks, Jeff Ross OpenBSD 4.1-current (GENERIC.MP) #1: Fri Apr 13 12:54:01 MDT 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC.MP cpu0: Intel Pentium III (GenuineIntel 686-class) 800 MHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,MMX,FXSR,SSE real mem = 1073311744 (1048156K) avail mem = 971886592 (949108K) using 4278 buffers containing 53788672 bytes (52528K) of memory mainbus0 (root) bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 12/14/00, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfdb90, SMBIOS rev. 2.3 @ 0xf0640 (50 entries) bios0: Supermicro 370DER apm0 at bios0: Power Management spec V1.2 apm0: AC on, battery charge unknown, estimated 0:00 hours apm0: APM get event: interface not connected (3) apm0: APM get event: interface not connected (3) apm0: disconnected apm0: flags b0102 dobusy 0 doidle 0 pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.1 @ 0xf/0x1 pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xf5380/144 (7 entries) pcibios0: PCI Interrupt Router at 000:15:0 (ServerWorks OSB4 rev 0x00) pcibios0: PCI bus #1 is the last bus bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0x8000 0xc8000/0x1000 0xc9000/0x6000 0xcf000/0x1000 0xd/0x1000 mainbus0: Intel MP Specification (Version 1.4) cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: apic clock running at 133 MHz cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor) cpu1: Intel Pentium III (GenuineIntel 686-class) 800 MHz cpu1: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,SER,MMX,FXSR,SSE mainbus0: bus 0 is type PCI mainbus0: bus 1 is type PCI mainbus0: bus 2 is type PCI mainbus0: bus 3 is type ISA ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 4 pa 0xfec0, version 11, 16 pins ioapic1 at mainbus0: apid 5 pa 0xfec01000, version 11, 16 pins pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (no bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 ServerWorks CNB20HE Host rev 0x23 ppb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 1 ServerWorks CNB20LE Host rev 0x01 pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 ATI Mach64 GM rev 0x27 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) pchb1 at pci0 dev 0 function 2 ServerWorks CNB20HE Host rev 0x01 pchb2 at pci0 dev 0 function 3 ServerWorks CNB20HE Host rev 0x01 pci2 at pchb2 bus 2 em0 at pci2 dev 1 function 0 Intel PRO/1000XT (82544EI) rev 0x02: apic 5 int 6 (irq 11), address 00:02:b3:d5:63:2d fxp0 at pci0 dev 4 function 0 Intel 8255x rev 0x08, i82559: apic 5 int 12 (irq 11), address 00:30:48:11:23:eb inphy0 at fxp0 phy 1: i82555 10/100 PHY, rev. 4 ahc0 at pci0 dev 5 function 0 Adaptec AIC-7899 U160 rev 0x01: apic 5 int 10 (irq 5) scsibus0 at ahc0: 16 targets sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: QUANTUM, ATLAS10K2-TY184J, DDD6 SCSI3 0/direct fixed sd0: 17510MB, 17338 cyl, 5 head, 413 sec, 512 bytes/sec, 35860910 sec total ahc1 at pci0 dev 5 function 1 Adaptec AIC-7899 U160 rev 0x01: apic 5 int 11 (irq 10) scsibus1 at ahc1: 16 targets fxp1 at pci0 dev 6 function 0 Intel 8255x rev 0x08, i82559: apic 5 int 15 (irq 9), address 00:30:48:11:23:ec inphy1 at fxp1 phy 1: i82555 10/100 PHY, rev. 4 piixpm0 at pci0 dev 15 function 0 ServerWorks OSB4 rev 0x50: polling iic0 at piixpm0 lmenv0 at iic0 addr 0x2d: lm87 rev 4 lmenv1 at iic0 addr 0x2e: lm87 rev 4 pciide0 at pci0 dev 15 function 1 ServerWorks OSB4 IDE rev 0x00: DMA atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0 scsibus2 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets cd0 at scsibus2 targ 0 lun 0: MATSHITA, CD-ROM CR-177, 7T03 SCSI0 5/cdrom removable cd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2, Ultra-DMA mode 2 ohci0 at pci0 dev 15 function 2 ServerWorks OSB4/CSB5 USB rev 0x04: apic 4 int 10 (irq 10), version 1.0, legacy support usb0 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0 at usb0 uhub0: ServerWorks OHCI root hub, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered isa0 at mainbus0 isadma0 at isa0 pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot) pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0 pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61 midi0 at pcppi0: PC speaker spkr0 at pcppi0 lpt0 at isa0 port 0x378/4 irq 7 npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: reported by CPUID; using exception 16 pccom0 at isa0 port 0x3f8/8 irq 4: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo pccom1 at isa0 port 0x2f8/8 irq 3: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo fdc0 at isa0 port 0x3f0/6 irq 6 drq 2 fd0 at fdc0 drive 0: 1.44MB 80 cyl, 2 head, 18 sec pctr:
Re: U320 Drive on U160 controller?
On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 10:14:54AM -0600, Jeff Ross wrote: Hi, I'm trying to add a second drive to the new to me SuperMicro server I just purchased off ebay. It has an Adaptec AIC-7899 U160 controller (dmesg below) but I'm finding a lot more U320 drives for sale than I am U160s. Will a U320 drive fall back to the U160 bandwidth? I'm finding conflicting advice on google, some say no problem, other say I'll kill the U320 in short order, not seeing any hints in the man pages. Thanks, Jeff Ross To the best of my knowledge U320 drives should work fine negotiated down to U160. Or not work at all because they can't do non-PPR negotiation. Ken OpenBSD 4.1-current (GENERIC.MP) #1: Fri Apr 13 12:54:01 MDT 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC.MP cpu0: Intel Pentium III (GenuineIntel 686-class) 800 MHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,MMX,FXSR,SSE real mem = 1073311744 (1048156K) avail mem = 971886592 (949108K) using 4278 buffers containing 53788672 bytes (52528K) of memory mainbus0 (root) bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 12/14/00, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfdb90, SMBIOS rev. 2.3 @ 0xf0640 (50 entries) bios0: Supermicro 370DER apm0 at bios0: Power Management spec V1.2 apm0: AC on, battery charge unknown, estimated 0:00 hours apm0: APM get event: interface not connected (3) apm0: APM get event: interface not connected (3) apm0: disconnected apm0: flags b0102 dobusy 0 doidle 0 pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.1 @ 0xf/0x1 pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xf5380/144 (7 entries) pcibios0: PCI Interrupt Router at 000:15:0 (ServerWorks OSB4 rev 0x00) pcibios0: PCI bus #1 is the last bus bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0x8000 0xc8000/0x1000 0xc9000/0x6000 0xcf000/0x1000 0xd/0x1000 mainbus0: Intel MP Specification (Version 1.4) cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: apic clock running at 133 MHz cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor) cpu1: Intel Pentium III (GenuineIntel 686-class) 800 MHz cpu1: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,SER,MMX,FXSR,SSE mainbus0: bus 0 is type PCI mainbus0: bus 1 is type PCI mainbus0: bus 2 is type PCI mainbus0: bus 3 is type ISA ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 4 pa 0xfec0, version 11, 16 pins ioapic1 at mainbus0: apid 5 pa 0xfec01000, version 11, 16 pins pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (no bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 ServerWorks CNB20HE Host rev 0x23 ppb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 1 ServerWorks CNB20LE Host rev 0x01 pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 ATI Mach64 GM rev 0x27 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) pchb1 at pci0 dev 0 function 2 ServerWorks CNB20HE Host rev 0x01 pchb2 at pci0 dev 0 function 3 ServerWorks CNB20HE Host rev 0x01 pci2 at pchb2 bus 2 em0 at pci2 dev 1 function 0 Intel PRO/1000XT (82544EI) rev 0x02: apic 5 int 6 (irq 11), address 00:02:b3:d5:63:2d fxp0 at pci0 dev 4 function 0 Intel 8255x rev 0x08, i82559: apic 5 int 12 (irq 11), address 00:30:48:11:23:eb inphy0 at fxp0 phy 1: i82555 10/100 PHY, rev. 4 ahc0 at pci0 dev 5 function 0 Adaptec AIC-7899 U160 rev 0x01: apic 5 int 10 (irq 5) scsibus0 at ahc0: 16 targets sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: QUANTUM, ATLAS10K2-TY184J, DDD6 SCSI3 0/direct fixed sd0: 17510MB, 17338 cyl, 5 head, 413 sec, 512 bytes/sec, 35860910 sec total ahc1 at pci0 dev 5 function 1 Adaptec AIC-7899 U160 rev 0x01: apic 5 int 11 (irq 10) scsibus1 at ahc1: 16 targets fxp1 at pci0 dev 6 function 0 Intel 8255x rev 0x08, i82559: apic 5 int 15 (irq 9), address 00:30:48:11:23:ec inphy1 at fxp1 phy 1: i82555 10/100 PHY, rev. 4 piixpm0 at pci0 dev 15 function 0 ServerWorks OSB4 rev 0x50: polling iic0 at piixpm0 lmenv0 at iic0 addr 0x2d: lm87 rev 4 lmenv1 at iic0 addr 0x2e: lm87 rev 4 pciide0 at pci0 dev 15 function 1 ServerWorks OSB4 IDE rev 0x00: DMA atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0 scsibus2 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets cd0 at scsibus2 targ 0 lun 0: MATSHITA, CD-ROM CR-177, 7T03 SCSI0 5/cdrom removable cd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2, Ultra-DMA mode 2 ohci0 at pci0 dev 15 function 2 ServerWorks OSB4/CSB5 USB rev 0x04: apic 4 int 10 (irq 10), version 1.0, legacy support usb0 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0 at usb0 uhub0: ServerWorks OHCI root hub, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered isa0 at mainbus0 isadma0 at isa0 pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot) pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0 pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61 midi0 at pcppi0: PC speaker spkr0 at pcppi0 lpt0 at isa0 port 0x378/4 irq 7 npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: reported by CPUID; using exception 16 pccom0 at isa0 port 0x3f8/8 irq 4: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo pccom1 at isa0 port 0x2f8/8 irq 3: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo fdc0 at isa0
Re: Back again with funny network interfaces
On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 08:10:10AM -0700, Manuel Ravasio wrote: pcmcia cardbus is an oxymoron. Whoops... Something like childproof and CiscoWorks? :-) pcmcia is a 16bit isa-like bus w/ 3.3v and 5v power. cardbus is a pci-like 32bit bus w/ 3.3v power only. pccard is a form factor for this devices also. Hmmm... I have something that looks like a couple of pcmcia cards, which fit into two pcmcia slots... I don't have a tester at home, so I can't check voltages. The laptop is quite old, (8 years old at the very least), the wireless card is a Netgear WPN511, described only as pccard, the ethernet card... I can't really say, there's nothing interesting written on it. cardbus cards always have a golden plate at the connector side. cu -- paranoic mickey (my employers have changed but, the name has remained)
Re: U320 Drive on U160 controller?
Marco Peereboom wrote: Will work just fine. Might as well purchase an mpt board (mpi). Thanks, Marco! I would if I could but the onboard nics are dead and the one pci-x slot is now in use by the em0 ;-) Jeff On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 10:14:54AM -0600, Jeff Ross wrote: Hi, I'm trying to add a second drive to the new to me SuperMicro server I just purchased off ebay. It has an Adaptec AIC-7899 U160 controller (dmesg below) but I'm finding a lot more U320 drives for sale than I am U160s. Will a U320 drive fall back to the U160 bandwidth? I'm finding conflicting advice on google, some say no problem, other say I'll kill the U320 in short order, not seeing any hints in the man pages. Thanks, Jeff Ross OpenBSD 4.1-current (GENERIC.MP) #1: Fri Apr 13 12:54:01 MDT 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC.MP cpu0: Intel Pentium III (GenuineIntel 686-class) 800 MHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,MMX,FXSR,SSE real mem = 1073311744 (1048156K) avail mem = 971886592 (949108K) using 4278 buffers containing 53788672 bytes (52528K) of memory mainbus0 (root) bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 12/14/00, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfdb90, SMBIOS rev. 2.3 @ 0xf0640 (50 entries) bios0: Supermicro 370DER apm0 at bios0: Power Management spec V1.2 apm0: AC on, battery charge unknown, estimated 0:00 hours apm0: APM get event: interface not connected (3) apm0: APM get event: interface not connected (3) apm0: disconnected apm0: flags b0102 dobusy 0 doidle 0 pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.1 @ 0xf/0x1 pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xf5380/144 (7 entries) pcibios0: PCI Interrupt Router at 000:15:0 (ServerWorks OSB4 rev 0x00) pcibios0: PCI bus #1 is the last bus bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0x8000 0xc8000/0x1000 0xc9000/0x6000 0xcf000/0x1000 0xd/0x1000 mainbus0: Intel MP Specification (Version 1.4) cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: apic clock running at 133 MHz cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor) cpu1: Intel Pentium III (GenuineIntel 686-class) 800 MHz cpu1: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,SER,MMX,FXSR,SSE mainbus0: bus 0 is type PCI mainbus0: bus 1 is type PCI mainbus0: bus 2 is type PCI mainbus0: bus 3 is type ISA ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 4 pa 0xfec0, version 11, 16 pins ioapic1 at mainbus0: apid 5 pa 0xfec01000, version 11, 16 pins pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (no bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 ServerWorks CNB20HE Host rev 0x23 ppb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 1 ServerWorks CNB20LE Host rev 0x01 pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 ATI Mach64 GM rev 0x27 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) pchb1 at pci0 dev 0 function 2 ServerWorks CNB20HE Host rev 0x01 pchb2 at pci0 dev 0 function 3 ServerWorks CNB20HE Host rev 0x01 pci2 at pchb2 bus 2 em0 at pci2 dev 1 function 0 Intel PRO/1000XT (82544EI) rev 0x02: apic 5 int 6 (irq 11), address 00:02:b3:d5:63:2d fxp0 at pci0 dev 4 function 0 Intel 8255x rev 0x08, i82559: apic 5 int 12 (irq 11), address 00:30:48:11:23:eb inphy0 at fxp0 phy 1: i82555 10/100 PHY, rev. 4 ahc0 at pci0 dev 5 function 0 Adaptec AIC-7899 U160 rev 0x01: apic 5 int 10 (irq 5) scsibus0 at ahc0: 16 targets sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: QUANTUM, ATLAS10K2-TY184J, DDD6 SCSI3 0/direct fixed sd0: 17510MB, 17338 cyl, 5 head, 413 sec, 512 bytes/sec, 35860910 sec total ahc1 at pci0 dev 5 function 1 Adaptec AIC-7899 U160 rev 0x01: apic 5 int 11 (irq 10) scsibus1 at ahc1: 16 targets fxp1 at pci0 dev 6 function 0 Intel 8255x rev 0x08, i82559: apic 5 int 15 (irq 9), address 00:30:48:11:23:ec inphy1 at fxp1 phy 1: i82555 10/100 PHY, rev. 4 piixpm0 at pci0 dev 15 function 0 ServerWorks OSB4 rev 0x50: polling iic0 at piixpm0 lmenv0 at iic0 addr 0x2d: lm87 rev 4 lmenv1 at iic0 addr 0x2e: lm87 rev 4 pciide0 at pci0 dev 15 function 1 ServerWorks OSB4 IDE rev 0x00: DMA atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0 scsibus2 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets cd0 at scsibus2 targ 0 lun 0: MATSHITA, CD-ROM CR-177, 7T03 SCSI0 5/cdrom removable cd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2, Ultra-DMA mode 2 ohci0 at pci0 dev 15 function 2 ServerWorks OSB4/CSB5 USB rev 0x04: apic 4 int 10 (irq 10), version 1.0, legacy support usb0 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0 at usb0 uhub0: ServerWorks OHCI root hub, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered isa0 at mainbus0 isadma0 at isa0 pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot) pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0 pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61 midi0 at pcppi0: PC speaker spkr0 at pcppi0 lpt0 at isa0 port 0x378/4 irq 7 npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: reported by CPUID; using exception 16 pccom0 at isa0 port 0x3f8/8 irq 4: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo pccom1 at isa0 port 0x2f8/8 irq 3: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo fdc0 at isa0 port 0x3f0/6 irq 6 drq 2 fd0 at
Re: spamd - good job!
Thanks. 4.1 has some major changes too, so bear in mind
spamd wise it's a big change from 4.0
-Bob
* Frank Bax [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-04-20 08:29]:
I'm finally upgrading from 3.5 to 4.0! I use the whitelist from puremagic
and in the past 2.5 years I have also added another 10 ip addresses to
spamd whitelist because of problems with mail getting through. This week I
did tests on 3 of those ip addresses and we are 3/3 for current spamd
accepting connections without whitelist. Great job! I've also done some
practice runs with in-place upgrades to snapshot; and plan to upgrade to
4.1 soon after disks arrive.
--
#!/usr/bin/perl
if ((not 0 not 1) != (! 0 ! 1)) {
print Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n;
}
Re: U320 Drive on U160 controller?
Kenneth R Westerback wrote: On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 10:14:54AM -0600, Jeff Ross wrote: Will a U320 drive fall back to the U160 bandwidth? I'm finding conflicting advice on google, some say no problem, other say I'll kill the U320 in short order, not seeing any hints in the man pages. To the best of my knowledge U320 drives should work fine negotiated down to U160. Or not work at all because they can't do non-PPR negotiation. i have U320 drives working fine with U160 controllers. i have also held in my hand new ibm/hitachi U320 SCA drives clearly labeled not for use with U160 controllers. i did not attempt to use them, instead i returned them for credit and got other drives. richard
Re: Webservers with Terrabytes of Data in - recomended setups
Bullshit. just use NFS :)
-Bob
* Steven Harms [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-04-19 17:01]:
This isn't an OpenBSD specific solution, but you should be able to use an
EMC san to accomplish this (we use a fiber channel setup)
On 4/19/07, Stuart Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2007/04/19 18:08, Daniel Ouellet wrote:
Stuart Henderson wrote:
I don't think NFS/AFS is that good an idea; you'll need very beefy
fileservers and a fast network.
NFS may actually be useful; if you really need the files in one
directory space for management/updates that's a way to do it (i.e.
mount all the various storage servers by NFS on a management
station/ftp server/whatever).
Good idea yes, but if I recall properly, unless major changes have been
done, isn't it the use of NFS become a huge bottle neck compare to local
drive? I think the archive is full of complain about the thought put of
NFS not being so good.
I meant using it the other way round: have the *webservers* export
their filesystem, and ftp/management servers mount them to provide a
single space for carrying out updates and backups, locating files,
etc.
Having a bunch of webservers serve data from a large NFS store seems
less attractive for most of the cases I can think of.
The main one I see where it may be attractive is where heavy CGI
processing or similar is done (that's usually a different situation
to having many TB of data, though). In the CGI case, there are some
benefits to distributing files by another way (notably avoiding the
NFS server as a point of failure), rsync as Joachim mentioned is
one way to shift the files around, CVS is also suitable, it
encourages keeping tighter control over changes too, and isn't
difficult to learn.
--
#!/usr/bin/perl
if ((not 0 not 1) != (! 0 ! 1)) {
print Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n;
}
Re: U320 Drive on U160 controller?
Kenneth R Westerback wrote: On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 10:14:54AM -0600, Jeff Ross wrote: Hi, I'm trying to add a second drive to the new to me SuperMicro server I just purchased off ebay. It has an Adaptec AIC-7899 U160 controller (dmesg below) but I'm finding a lot more U320 drives for sale than I am U160s. Will a U320 drive fall back to the U160 bandwidth? I'm finding conflicting advice on google, some say no problem, other say I'll kill the U320 in short order, not seeing any hints in the man pages. Thanks, Jeff Ross To the best of my knowledge U320 drives should work fine negotiated down to U160. Or not work at all because they can't do non-PPR negotiation. Ken I see. I just ordered a drive so I'll get to test it out first hand. I'll report back with success/failure for the archives... Jeff OpenBSD 4.1-current (GENERIC.MP) #1: Fri Apr 13 12:54:01 MDT 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC.MP cpu0: Intel Pentium III (GenuineIntel 686-class) 800 MHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,MMX,FXSR,SSE real mem = 1073311744 (1048156K) avail mem = 971886592 (949108K) using 4278 buffers containing 53788672 bytes (52528K) of memory mainbus0 (root) bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 12/14/00, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfdb90, SMBIOS rev. 2.3 @ 0xf0640 (50 entries) bios0: Supermicro 370DER apm0 at bios0: Power Management spec V1.2 apm0: AC on, battery charge unknown, estimated 0:00 hours apm0: APM get event: interface not connected (3) apm0: APM get event: interface not connected (3) apm0: disconnected apm0: flags b0102 dobusy 0 doidle 0 pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.1 @ 0xf/0x1 pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xf5380/144 (7 entries) pcibios0: PCI Interrupt Router at 000:15:0 (ServerWorks OSB4 rev 0x00) pcibios0: PCI bus #1 is the last bus bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0x8000 0xc8000/0x1000 0xc9000/0x6000 0xcf000/0x1000 0xd/0x1000 mainbus0: Intel MP Specification (Version 1.4) cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: apic clock running at 133 MHz cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor) cpu1: Intel Pentium III (GenuineIntel 686-class) 800 MHz cpu1: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,SER,MMX,FXSR,SSE mainbus0: bus 0 is type PCI mainbus0: bus 1 is type PCI mainbus0: bus 2 is type PCI mainbus0: bus 3 is type ISA ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 4 pa 0xfec0, version 11, 16 pins ioapic1 at mainbus0: apid 5 pa 0xfec01000, version 11, 16 pins pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (no bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 ServerWorks CNB20HE Host rev 0x23 ppb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 1 ServerWorks CNB20LE Host rev 0x01 pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 ATI Mach64 GM rev 0x27 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) pchb1 at pci0 dev 0 function 2 ServerWorks CNB20HE Host rev 0x01 pchb2 at pci0 dev 0 function 3 ServerWorks CNB20HE Host rev 0x01 pci2 at pchb2 bus 2 em0 at pci2 dev 1 function 0 Intel PRO/1000XT (82544EI) rev 0x02: apic 5 int 6 (irq 11), address 00:02:b3:d5:63:2d fxp0 at pci0 dev 4 function 0 Intel 8255x rev 0x08, i82559: apic 5 int 12 (irq 11), address 00:30:48:11:23:eb inphy0 at fxp0 phy 1: i82555 10/100 PHY, rev. 4 ahc0 at pci0 dev 5 function 0 Adaptec AIC-7899 U160 rev 0x01: apic 5 int 10 (irq 5) scsibus0 at ahc0: 16 targets sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: QUANTUM, ATLAS10K2-TY184J, DDD6 SCSI3 0/direct fixed sd0: 17510MB, 17338 cyl, 5 head, 413 sec, 512 bytes/sec, 35860910 sec total ahc1 at pci0 dev 5 function 1 Adaptec AIC-7899 U160 rev 0x01: apic 5 int 11 (irq 10) scsibus1 at ahc1: 16 targets fxp1 at pci0 dev 6 function 0 Intel 8255x rev 0x08, i82559: apic 5 int 15 (irq 9), address 00:30:48:11:23:ec inphy1 at fxp1 phy 1: i82555 10/100 PHY, rev. 4 piixpm0 at pci0 dev 15 function 0 ServerWorks OSB4 rev 0x50: polling iic0 at piixpm0 lmenv0 at iic0 addr 0x2d: lm87 rev 4 lmenv1 at iic0 addr 0x2e: lm87 rev 4 pciide0 at pci0 dev 15 function 1 ServerWorks OSB4 IDE rev 0x00: DMA atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0 scsibus2 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets cd0 at scsibus2 targ 0 lun 0: MATSHITA, CD-ROM CR-177, 7T03 SCSI0 5/cdrom removable cd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2, Ultra-DMA mode 2 ohci0 at pci0 dev 15 function 2 ServerWorks OSB4/CSB5 USB rev 0x04: apic 4 int 10 (irq 10), version 1.0, legacy support usb0 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0 at usb0 uhub0: ServerWorks OHCI root hub, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered isa0 at mainbus0 isadma0 at isa0 pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot) pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0 pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61 midi0 at pcppi0: PC speaker spkr0 at pcppi0 lpt0 at isa0 port 0x378/4 irq 7 npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: reported by CPUID; using exception 16 pccom0 at isa0 port 0x3f8/8 irq 4: ns16550a, 16 byte
Re: Webservers with Terrabytes of Data in - recomended setups
* Joachim Schipper [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-04-20 14:49]: On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 12:36:29PM +0200, Henning Brauer wrote: * Joachim Schipper [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-04-20 00:36]: On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 10:51:56PM +0100, Stuart Henderson wrote: I don't think NFS/AFS is that good an idea; you'll need very beefy fileservers and a fast network. NFS may actually be useful; if you really need the files in one directory space for management/updates that's a way to do it (i.e. mount all the various storage servers by NFS on a management station/ftp server/whatever). Something like that might be a very good idea, yes. Just don't try to serve everything directly off NFS. there is nothing wrong with serving directly from NFS. Really? You have a lot more experience in this area, so I will defer to you if you are sure, but it seems to me that in the sort of system I explicitly assumed (something like a web farm), serving everything off NFS would involve either very expensive hardware or be rather slow. no. cache works. reads are no problem whatsoever in this kind of setup (well. I am sure you can make that a problem with many frontend servers and lots to read. obviously. but for any sane number of frontends, should not) -- Henning Brauer, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] BS Web Services, http://bsws.de Full-Service ISP - Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services Dedicated Servers, Rootservers, Application Hosting - Hamburg Amsterdam
page flts when running X applications
Hi guys, Since upgrading to the latest snapshots (4/7/2007) X applications take considerably longer to load, for instance gaim now takes 30 seconds to load rather than the 5 or so seconds I was used to. I've tried building the applications through ports rather than using packages which seems to make no difference. watching vmstat, page flts go from 7 to 7164 when loading an X application. console based programs seem to work as fast as ever. Am i missing something or is this a known problem with -current at the moment? Thanks Tom Below is a dmesg and sysctl OpenBSD 4.1-current (GENERIC) #0: Tue Apr 17 17:32:47 MDT 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC cpu0: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.00GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 3.01 GHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,CNXT-ID,CX16,xTPR real mem = 107264 (1047500K) avail mem = 970334208 (947592K) using 4278 buffers containing 53755904 bytes (52496K) of memory mainbus0 (root) bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 08/25/05, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfd5d0, SMBIOS rev. 2.33 @ 0x3ff77000 (59 entries) bios0: IBM IBM eServer x226-[864840Y]- apm0 at bios0: Power Management spec V1.2 apm0: AC on, battery charge unknown apm0: flags 30102 dobusy 0 doidle 1 pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.1 @ 0xfd5d0/0xa30 pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xfde20/448 (26 entries) pcibios0: PCI Interrupt Router at 000:31:0 (Intel 82371FB ISA rev 0x00) pcibios0: PCI bus #6 is the last bus bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0x9000 0xc9000/0x1800 acpi at mainbus0 not configured cpu0 at mainbus0 pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (no bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 Intel E7525 MCH rev 0x0c ppb0 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 Intel MCH PCIE rev 0x0c pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 bge0 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 Broadcom BCM5721 rev 0x11, BCM5750 B1 (0x4101): irq 11, address 00:14:5e:45:0a:c6 brgphy0 at bge0 phy 1: BCM5750 10/100/1000baseT PHY, rev. 0 ppb1 at pci0 dev 3 function 0 Intel MCH PCIE rev 0x0c pci2 at ppb1 bus 2 ppb2 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 Intel PCIE-PCIE rev 0x09 pci3 at ppb2 bus 3 ahd0 at pci3 dev 3 function 0 Adaptec AIC-7902B U320 rev 0x10: irq 11 ahd0: aic7902, U320 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, PCI-X 67-100MHz, 512 SCBs scsibus0 at ahd0: 16 targets ahd1 at pci3 dev 3 function 1 Adaptec AIC-7902B U320 rev 0x10: irq 10 ahd1: aic7902, U320 Wide Channel B, SCSI Id=7, PCI-X 67-100MHz, 512 SCBs scsibus1 at ahd1: 16 targets Intel IOxAPIC rev 0x09 at pci2 dev 0 function 1 not configured ppb3 at pci2 dev 0 function 2 Intel PCIE-PCIE rev 0x09 pci4 at ppb3 bus 4 Intel IOxAPIC rev 0x09 at pci2 dev 0 function 3 not configured ppb4 at pci0 dev 4 function 0 Intel MCH PCIE rev 0x0c pci5 at ppb4 bus 5 uhci0 at pci0 dev 29 function 0 Intel 82801EB/ER USB rev 0x02: irq 11 uhci1 at pci0 dev 29 function 1 Intel 82801EB/ER USB rev 0x02: irq 10 uhci2 at pci0 dev 29 function 2 Intel 82801EB/ER USB rev 0x02: irq 11 uhci3 at pci0 dev 29 function 3 Intel 82801EB/ER USB rev 0x02: irq 11 ehci0 at pci0 dev 29 function 7 Intel 82801EB/ER USB2 rev 0x02: irq 10 usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0 uhub0 at usb0 uhub0: Intel EHCI root hub, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 8 ports with 8 removable, self powered ppb5 at pci0 dev 30 function 0 Intel 82801BA AGP rev 0xc2 pci6 at ppb5 bus 6 vga1 at pci6 dev 4 function 0 ATI Radeon VE QY rev 0x00 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) ichpcib0 at pci0 dev 31 function 0 Intel 82801EB/ER LPC rev 0x02: 24-bit timer at 3579545Hz pciide0 at pci0 dev 31 function 2 Intel 82801EB SATA rev 0x02: DMA, channel 0 configured to compatibility, channel 1 configured to compatibility atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0 scsibus2 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets cd0 at scsibus2 targ 0 lun 0: HL-DT-ST, RW/DVD GCC-4482B, 1.01 SCSI0 5/cdrom removable atapiscsi1 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 1 scsibus3 at atapiscsi1: 2 targets cd1 at scsibus3 targ 0 lun 0: LITE-ON, CD-ROM LTN-489S, 8US5 SCSI0 5/cdrom removable cd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2 cd1(pciide0:0:1): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2 wd0 at pciide0 channel 1 drive 0: HDS728080PLA380 wd0: 16-sector PIO, LBA48, 76324MB, 156312576 sectors wd0(pciide0:1:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 5 ichiic0 at pci0 dev 31 function 3 Intel 82801EB/ER SMBus rev 0x02: irq 10 iic0 at ichiic0 adt0 at iic0 addr 0x2c: adt7460 rev 0x62 adt1 at iic0 addr 0x2e: adt7467 rev 0x71 usb1 at uhci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub1 at usb1 uhub1: Intel UHCI root hub, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered usb2 at uhci1: USB revision 1.0 uhub2 at usb2 uhub2: Intel UHCI root hub, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered usb3 at uhci2: USB revision 1.0 uhub3 at usb3 uhub3: Intel UHCI root hub, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub3: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered usb4 at uhci3: USB revision 1.0 uhub4 at usb4 uhub4: Intel UHCI root
Re: Webservers with Terrabytes of Data in - recomended setups
On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 07:56:16PM +0200, Henning Brauer wrote: * Joachim Schipper [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-04-20 14:49]: On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 12:36:29PM +0200, Henning Brauer wrote: * Joachim Schipper [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-04-20 00:36]: On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 10:51:56PM +0100, Stuart Henderson wrote: I don't think NFS/AFS is that good an idea; you'll need very beefy fileservers and a fast network. NFS may actually be useful; if you really need the files in one directory space for management/updates that's a way to do it (i.e. mount all the various storage servers by NFS on a management station/ftp server/whatever). Something like that might be a very good idea, yes. Just don't try to serve everything directly off NFS. there is nothing wrong with serving directly from NFS. Really? You have a lot more experience in this area, so I will defer to you if you are sure, but it seems to me that in the sort of system I explicitly assumed (something like a web farm), serving everything off NFS would involve either very expensive hardware or be rather slow. no. cache works. reads are no problem whatsoever in this kind of setup (well. I am sure you can make that a problem with many frontend servers and lots to read. obviously. but for any sane number of frontends, should not) Yeah, you are right. Now what was I thinking, anyway? Anyway, thanks! Joachim -- TFMotD: pci_make_tag, pci_decompose_tag, pci_conf_read, pci_conf_write (9) - PCI config space manipulation functions
Re: spamd - good job!
Is there a place that documents the spamd differences from 4.0 to 4.1; or am I left with detecting the differences in documentation? I see 41.htm mentions greylist sync which I won't need (although I could see a one-time use when migrating boxes); greytrapping sounds interesting, might try that (it's in man spamd). What's noticing out of order MX use - just a log entry? Are there any changes to existing functionality to be forewarned about; or just new features? I'm actually running a February snapshot (early 4.1 beta) if that makes a difference; this is considered living on the edge for me. At 12:59 PM 4/20/07, Bob Beck wrote: Thanks. 4.1 has some major changes too, so bear in mind spamd wise it's a big change from 4.0 -Bob * Frank Bax [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-04-20 08:29]: I'm finally upgrading from 3.5 to 4.0! I use the whitelist from puremagic and in the past 2.5 years I have also added another 10 ip addresses to spamd whitelist because of problems with mail getting through. This week I did tests on 3 of those ip addresses and we are 3/3 for current spamd accepting connections without whitelist. Great job! I've also done some practice runs with in-place upgrades to snapshot; and plan to upgrade to 4.1 soon after disks arrive.
Re: spamd - good job!
This will set you in the right direction: http://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=articlesid=20070301144846 On 4/20/07, Frank Bax [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a place that documents the spamd differences from 4.0 to 4.1; or am I left with detecting the differences in documentation? I see 41.htm mentions greylist sync which I won't need (although I could see a one-time use when migrating boxes); greytrapping sounds interesting, might try that (it's in man spamd). What's noticing out of order MX use - just a log entry? Are there any changes to existing functionality to be forewarned about; or just new features? I'm actually running a February snapshot (early 4.1 beta) if that makes a difference; this is considered living on the edge for me. At 12:59 PM 4/20/07, Bob Beck wrote: Thanks. 4.1 has some major changes too, so bear in mind spamd wise it's a big change from 4.0 -Bob * Frank Bax [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-04-20 08:29]: I'm finally upgrading from 3.5 to 4.0! I use the whitelist from puremagic and in the past 2.5 years I have also added another 10 ip addresses to spamd whitelist because of problems with mail getting through. This week I did tests on 3 of those ip addresses and we are 3/3 for current spamd accepting connections without whitelist. Great job! I've also done some practice runs with in-place upgrades to snapshot; and plan to upgrade to 4.1 soon after disks arrive. -- Who?
Re: Webservers with Terrabytes of Data in - recomended setups
Henning Brauer wrote: * Joachim Schipper [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-04-20 14:49]: On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 12:36:29PM +0200, Henning Brauer wrote: * Joachim Schipper [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-04-20 00:36]: On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 10:51:56PM +0100, Stuart Henderson wrote: I don't think NFS/AFS is that good an idea; you'll need very beefy fileservers and a fast network. NFS may actually be useful; if you really need the files in one directory space for management/updates that's a way to do it (i.e. mount all the various storage servers by NFS on a management station/ftp server/whatever). Something like that might be a very good idea, yes. Just don't try to serve everything directly off NFS. there is nothing wrong with serving directly from NFS. Really? You have a lot more experience in this area, so I will defer to you if you are sure, but it seems to me that in the sort of system I explicitly assumed (something like a web farm), serving everything off NFS would involve either very expensive hardware or be rather slow. no. cache works. reads are no problem whatsoever in this kind of setup (well. I am sure you can make that a problem with many frontend servers and lots to read. obviously. but for any sane number of frontends, should not) OK, then how well CARP works on NFS for backup mount in case something goes wrong with the main NFS server source? Is it efficient, possible and mount itself again? Delay? What do you consider a sane number of front ends, 10, less, more? Cache, you mean cache on the source NFS, or cache on the client NFS? Sorry, look like I have more questions then answers as I skip NFS a few years ago because of the bottle neck on the NFS transfer. Write was bad, read OK, but not huge. May well be different now, I would be happy with decent read, but what can be excepted. The archive is not to nice on the subject I have to say. Always looks like a bottle neck on the NFS side. If small site, or low traffic, yes that's great, but what can one expect to reach the limits here? Any ideas? May be it's time for me to revisit this yet again, but never been very succesful with high traffic. Many thanks Daniel
Re: spamd - good job!
Yes, the upgrading to 4.1 page mentions this.
-Bob
* Frank Bax [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-04-20 12:43]:
Is there a place that documents the spamd differences from 4.0 to 4.1; or
am I left with detecting the differences in documentation? I see 41.htm
mentions greylist sync which I won't need (although I could see a one-time
use when migrating boxes); greytrapping sounds interesting, might try that
(it's in man spamd). What's noticing out of order MX use - just a log
entry? Are there any changes to existing functionality to be forewarned
about; or just new features?
I'm actually running a February snapshot (early 4.1 beta) if that makes a
difference; this is considered living on the edge for me.
At 12:59 PM 4/20/07, Bob Beck wrote:
Thanks. 4.1 has some major changes too, so bear in mind
spamd wise it's a big change from 4.0
-Bob
* Frank Bax [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-04-20 08:29]:
I'm finally upgrading from 3.5 to 4.0! I use the whitelist from
puremagic
and in the past 2.5 years I have also added another 10 ip addresses to
spamd whitelist because of problems with mail getting through. This
week I
did tests on 3 of those ip addresses and we are 3/3 for current spamd
accepting connections without whitelist. Great job! I've also done some
practice runs with in-place upgrades to snapshot; and plan to upgrade to
4.1 soon after disks arrive.
--
#!/usr/bin/perl
if ((not 0 not 1) != (! 0 ! 1)) {
print Larry and Tom must smoke some really primo stuff...\n;
}
Re: U320 Drive on U160 controller?
On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 01:02:17PM -0400, Richard P. Welty wrote: Kenneth R Westerback wrote: On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 10:14:54AM -0600, Jeff Ross wrote: Will a U320 drive fall back to the U160 bandwidth? I'm finding conflicting advice on google, some say no problem, other say I'll kill the U320 in short order, not seeing any hints in the man pages. To the best of my knowledge U320 drives should work fine negotiated down to U160. Or not work at all because they can't do non-PPR negotiation. i have U320 drives working fine with U160 controllers. i have also held in my hand new ibm/hitachi U320 SCA drives clearly labeled not for use with U160 controllers. i did not attempt to use them, instead i returned them for credit and got other drives. That's malarkey. It'll work just fine. richard
Re: Webservers with Terrabytes of Data in - recomended setups
On Friday 20 April 2007 08:32, Tony Abernethy wrote: Jason Beaudoin wrote: snip Use all the tricks you can for YOUR solution, including: * lots of small partitions What are the reasonings behind this? Thanks for the awesome post! I think it runs something like this If there is a problem somewhere on the disk, if it's all one big partition, you must fix the big partition if it's lots of small partitions, you fix the one with the problem. Even worse, in some situations, the difference is between being dead and being somewhat crippled. Methinks there's lots of hard-won experience behind Nick's answers ;) You last assumption is the most correct, and Nick has put some of that experience into FAQ-14 for our reading pleasure. In general, you always want to assume a failure *WILL* occur, rather than think in terms of if something will fail. Having lots of small partitions, and using Read Only partitions wherever possible (also mentioned by Nick) gives you a number of important advantages. Assume that someone, possibly you, has managed to trip over the power cord, how long will it take you to get the server back up? If your partitions are Read/Write, then you will be doing a fsck on each of them. That means time. If your partitions are huge, then you will need a lot of RAM and time to preform the fsck. If you have a massive partition and insufficient RAM, then your fsck will fail (see FAQ-14.7 fsck(8) time and memory requirements) and you'll be stuck like a turtle on it's back at a soup competition. The above is just your start up time after a crash or power loss. Assume that someone, possibly you, has written some bad code that will scribble all over the data in one of your partitions. How long will it take you to recover? If the partition was marked RO, then you don't have a problem. If it was a small RW partition, you can repair it reasonably quickly from backup. If your backup media fails, your losses are minimal. By comparison, if it's a huge RW partition, then you're stuffed. The list of reasons goes on and on but when you really think about it, you'll understand that you're just doing proper risk management by trying to mitigate as many of the bad effects of failures as possible. Never drink the marketing kool-aid that will try to sell you on the idea that failures are somehow avoidable. Sure, it might sound like a nice idea but the idea always falls short of reality. Being prepared for the reality of failures is a much better approach than sticking your head in the sand. /jcr
waveplay Can't set Channels on OpenBSD 4.1 current - so don't play .wav file
Hi, I installed waveplay from ports on OpenBSD 4.1 current. Trying to play a wavefile I get the Following Error. Could Some one please tell me how to troubleshoot this? $ waveplay sos.wav File name : sos.wav Sampling rate : 8000 Hz Bits/Sample : 8 Bits Channels : 1 Size : 2147479552 Bytes Can't set channels. $ this line is in the /var/log/messages == Apr 21 03:19:46 current /bsd: didn't find Record format 6/16/1 === dmesg below. Thankyou so much Kind Regards Siju == $ mixerctl -a outputs.source=dac outputs.digital.source=dac outputs.selector.mute=off outputs.selector=119,119 outputs.master.mute=off outputs.master=123,123 inputs.selector.source=mic1 outputs.headphones.boost=off outputs.speaker.boost=off outputs.mono.mute=off outputs.mono=123 outputs.beep.mute=off outputs.beep=85 inputs.usingdac=analog record.usingadc=analog $ == $ audioctl -a name=HD-Audio version=1.0 config=azalia0 encodings=slinear_le:16,slinear_le:16 properties=full_duplex,independent full_duplex=0 fullduplex=0 blocksize=8704 hiwat=7 lowat=1 monitor_gain=0 mode= play.rate=44100 play.channels=2 play.precision=16 play.encoding=slinear_le play.gain=174 play.balance=53 play.port=0x0 play.avail_ports=0x0 play.seek=0 play.samples=0 play.eof=0 play.pause=0 play.error=0 play.waiting=0 play.open=0 play.active=0 play.buffer_size=65536 record.rate=44100 record.channels=2 record.precision=16 record.encoding=slinear_le record.gain=179 record.balance=48 record.port=0x0 record.avail_ports=0x0 record.seek=0 record.samples=0 record.eof=0 record.pause=0 record.error=0 record.waiting=0 record.open=0 record.active=0 record.buffer_size=65536 record.errors=0 $ OpenBSD 4.1-current (GENERIC.MP) #1260: Fri Apr 6 01:51:07 MDT 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC.MP cpu0: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5600 @ 1.83GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 1.83 GHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,CX16,xTPR real mem = 1071742976 (1046624K) avail mem = 970452992 (947708K) using 4278 buffers containing 53710848 bytes (52452K) of memory mainbus0 (root) bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 12/18/06, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xffa10, SMBIOS rev. 2.4 @ 0xf6df0 (64 entries) bios0: Dell Inc. Latitude D820 pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.1 @ 0xf/0x1 pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xfa930/240 (13 entries) pcibios0: PCI Interrupt Router at 000:31:0 (Intel 82371 ISA and IDE rev 0x00) pcibios0: PCI bus #13 is the last bus bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0x1 acpi0 at mainbus0: rev 0 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP HPET APIC ASF! MCFG SLIC TCPA SSDT acpitimer at acpi0 not configured acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: apic clock running at 166 MHz cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor) cpu1: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5600 @ 1.83GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 1.83 GHz cpu1: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,CX16,xTPR ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 2 pa 0xfec0, version 20, 24 pins ioapic0: misconfigured as apic 0, remapped to apid 2 acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 1 (AGP_) acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 3 (PCIE) acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 11 (RP01) acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus 12 (RP02) acpiprt5 at acpi0: bus 9 (PXP0) acpiprt6 at acpi0: bus 13 (RP04) acpiprt7 at acpi0: bus 0 (RP05) acpiprt8 at acpi0: bus 0 (RP06) acpiac at acpi0 not configured acpibat at acpi0 not configured acpibat at acpi0 not configured acpibtn at acpi0 not configured acpibtn at acpi0 not configured acpibtn at acpi0 not configured acpitz at acpi0 not configured pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (no bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 Intel 82945GM MCH rev 0x03 ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 Intel 82945GM PCIE rev 0x03 pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 NVIDIA GeForce 7300 Go rev 0xa1 wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) azalia0 at pci0 dev 27 function 0 Intel 82801GB HD Audio rev 0x01: apic 2 int 21 (irq 11) azalia0: host: High Definition Audio rev. 1.0 azalia0: codec: Sigmatel STAC9220 (rev. 34.1), HDA version 1.0 azalia0: codec: 0x04x/0x14f1 (rev. 0.0), HDA version 0.9 azalia0: codec[1]: No support for modem function groups azalia0: codec[1]: No audio function groups audio0 at azalia0 ppb1 at pci0 dev 28 function 0 Intel 82801GB PCIE rev 0x01 pci2 at ppb1 bus 11 ppb2 at pci0 dev 28 function 1 Intel 82801GB PCIE rev 0x01 pci3 at ppb2 bus 12 wpi0 at pci3 dev 0 function 0 Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG rev 0x02: apic 2 int 17 (irq 3), address 00:19:d2:bc:22:93 ppb3
Audio
I have been a user of OpenBSD for a number of years (4 I think) and usually manage to solve my problems alone however I am having trouble getting my audio to work on this computer. $ mixerctl -a | grep master outputs.master=207,207 outputs.master.mute=off This is the relevant output of dmesg: autri0 at pci0 dev 1 function 4 SiS 7018 Audio rev 0x01: irq 5 ac97: codec id 0x43525934 (Cirrus Logic CS4299 rev 4) ac97: codec features headphone, 20 bit DAC, 18 bit ADC, Crystal Semi 3D audio0 at autri0 midi0 at autri0: 4DWAVE MIDI UART I struggled with the above setup so installed a spare card I had lying around and tried to disable autri* using config. I got a little lost but dont think it is a good solution anyway. Here is the card I installed: eap0 at pci0 dev 11 function 0 Ensoniq CT5880 rev 0x02: irq 11 ac97: codec id 0x83847609 (SigmaTel STAC9721/23) ac97: codec features 18 bit DAC, 18 bit ADC, SigmaTel 3D audio1 at eap0 midi1 at eap0: AudioPCI MIDI UART tried to $ cat filename /dev/audio1 did not work because / is read only and /dev/audio1 did not exist. remounted / writeable tried to create audio1 but did not get it right so moved audio0 to audio1 and replaced the symlink between audio and audio0 with one between audio and audio1. This is the output of ls -al run from /dev lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel6 Apr 21 09:34 audio - audio1 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel 42, 128 Apr 21 09:42 audio1 lrwx-- 1 root wheel9 Mar 9 11:31 audioctl - audioctl0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel 42, 192 Mar 9 11:31 audioctl0 $ cat filename /dev/audio $ cat filename /dev/audio1 Both the above commands do not produce sound. I am lost and need help so that I can feed my podcast habit. I have never managed to get the audio going on this machine but now have no choice as my other one has died. Regards David
Re: [Fwd: Shipped Order:2007/3/12-13:27:10-21493:]
Allie D. wrote: YES ! It's on it's way !! BSD41.0020 I suppose that means you were the 20th to order...
Re: Audio
David Cary wrote: tried to create audio1 but did not get it right so moved audio0 to audio1 and replaced the symlink between audio and audio0 with one between audio and audio1. I think /dev/MAKEDEV audio1 will create all four sound devices. After that try unmuting all outputs and volumes with mixerctl, sometimes headphone and speaker outputs are mixed up.
Re: Automatic boot of i386 occassionally fails; manually boots OK
Damon McMahon wrote: This all makes sense now, and you are indeed correct. The garbage input is being sent from my console device to the OpenBSD machine when the console device boots (booting Windows 2K in this case). The reason for the 1 in 25 or so frequency is because this event only occurs when both boxes are booting at the same time. Try adding /noserialmice to the Win2k boot.ini; the Windows kernel tries to detect a serial mouse during the boot process, which can confuse some devices (such as APC serial UPSs or OpenBSD boot consoles). http://support.microsoft.com/kb/131976 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/170817
is root account really necessary?
is a root account really necessary? wouldn't a system with no root account, where all maintenance is done as sudo, be more secure? if so, why not install with no root account by default?
Re: Audio
On 4/20/07, David Cary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been a user of OpenBSD for a number of years (4 I think) and usually manage to solve my problems alone however I am having trouble getting my audio to work on this computer. $ mixerctl -a | grep master outputs.master=207,207 outputs.master.mute=off This is the relevant output of dmesg: autri0 at pci0 dev 1 function 4 SiS 7018 Audio rev 0x01: irq 5 ac97: codec id 0x43525934 (Cirrus Logic CS4299 rev 4) ac97: codec features headphone, 20 bit DAC, 18 bit ADC, Crystal Semi 3D audio0 at autri0 midi0 at autri0: 4DWAVE MIDI UART autris have other mixers that need to be unmuted or turned up. $ cat filename /dev/audio $ cat filename /dev/audio1 Both the above commands do not produce sound. cat is a terrible program to play sound with. just use the program you would normaly use; anything decent can be told to use audio1.
Re: is root account really necessary?
Default User wrote: is a root account really necessary? No. wouldn't a system with no root account, where all maintenance is done as sudo, be more secure? No. It all depends on what you want and what your situation is. if so, why not install with no root account by default? It isn't so. :-) But if you want it, nothing will stop you from setting up like you want. It's just two minutes of work. Just don't expect others to choose the same. # Han
Re: Webservers with Terrabytes of Data in - recomended setups
J.C. Roberts wrote: On Friday 20 April 2007 08:32, Tony Abernethy wrote: Jason Beaudoin wrote: snip Use all the tricks you can for YOUR solution, including: * lots of small partitions What are the reasonings behind this? Thanks for the awesome post! I think it runs something like this If there is a problem somewhere on the disk, if it's all one big partition, you must fix the big partition if it's lots of small partitions, you fix the one with the problem. Even worse, in some situations, the difference is between being dead and being somewhat crippled. Methinks there's lots of hard-won experience behind Nick's answers ;) yeah, though fortunately most of it was in the form of confirmation of already held paranoia. :) You last assumption is the most correct, and Nick has put some of that experience into FAQ-14 for our reading pleasure. In addition to Tony and J.C.'s comments (I've edited them out for size, go back and read 'em if you haven't), let me add another really big reason: Growth and scalability. Usual logic goes something like this: I need a lot of space, so I'm going to build a file system that has a lot of space in it, and you drop all that space into one file system. Efficient? For a while, yes. BUT, what about when it fills up? Usual response: use a Volume Manager or Dump the data to a new, bigger disk system. Ok, the ability of some volume managers to dynamically increase the size of a file system is kinda cool, but I would argue that for many apps, it is just another way of saying, The initial design SUCKED and I had more money than brains to fix the problem (assuming one of the commercial products, of course). Somewhat over simplification, of course...but... Dumping the data from one disk to another is fine and dandy when you are talking about your 40G disk on your home or desktop computer, the fact that you are down for a few hours is no big deal. But what about a server? I don't care how fast your disks are, moving 300G of data to a new disk system is a lot of slow work. Here's a better idea: break your data into more manageable chunks, and design the system to fill those chunks AND make it easy to add more later. So, you implement today with 1TB of data space, broken up into two 500G chunks. Fill the first one, move on to the second one. Fill the second one, you bolt on more storage -- a process which will probably take minutes, not hours. When you bolt on more storage, you will be doing it in the future, when capacity is bigger and cost is less. Let's look at the machine I mentioned yesterday, our e-mail archive system: disks: Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/wd0a 199358 4974213965026%/ /dev/wd0e 1030550 6979018 0%/tmp /dev/wd0d 4126462 2877500 104264073%/usr /dev/wd0f 103055019794278108220%/var /dev/wd0h 3093790 198932494977868%/home /dev/wd0g 154803456 18471934 12859135013%/archive /dev/wd2e 288411108 262462948 1152760696%/archive/a03 /dev/wd2f 288408068 264898440 908922697%/archive/a04 /dev/wd3e 480678832 442797322 1384757097%/archive/a05 /dev/wd3f 480675792 440723042 1591896297%/archive/a06 /dev/wd4e 480678832 439989958 1665493496%/archive/a07 /dev/wd4f 480675792 443581618 1306038697%/archive/a08 /dev/wd1e 480678840 19931182 436713716 4%/archive/a09 /dev/wd1f 480678368 2 45668 0%/archive/a10 Look that over carefully, you can almost see the story of the machine's design. wd0 is a mirrored pair of 300G SATA drives (Accusys 75160). Note that only a little more than half the drive is allocated at this time! Why? Because there's no reason to wait for an fsck on 300G when 160G is plenty. And besides, I may have guessed wrong in how big I made /var or /tmp or ... wd2 is a RAID5 set of 300G SATA drives (Accusys 76130). Why? Because it was the biggest bang for the buck at the time, split down the middle for manageability. wd1 also started out as 300G drives, but has since been replaced by the now cheaper/G 500G drives. It has only just started being used a couple days ago. wd3 and wd4 are also 1TB arrays made up of three 500G drives. They were purchased after the original 300G drives were getting full. Funny how that works, the 500G drives we just purchased (a09 and a10) cost less than the 300G drives we installed originally. Delaying purchasing storage until you need it is a good thing! The suspiciously missing a01 and a02 partitions are now sitting on a shelf, as they have been removed from the system. It is relatively unlikely that we will be needing to go back to those, but we hang on to 'em, Just In Case (and it is cheaper to hang onto three 300G SATA drives now than it is to restore from DVD if we were to need to). Granted, in five years, those drives may not spin up, nor may
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Default User wrote: is a root account really necessary? well, the account is needed for many tasks. I presume you mean to ask, Is it necessary to be able to directly log into the root account?, and that answer, in OpenBSD, is no. However the account must exist so that many applications can run. Keep in mind, however, many other Unix-like OSs will ask you login as root (and only as root) if you bring them up in single user mode, so this is OpenBSD specific advice (or fix the default settings on the lesser OS! :) wouldn't a system with no root account, where all maintenance is done as sudo, be more secure? not necessarily. If people can guess your root account PW, they can probably guess your non-root account PW, too, they just have one more thing to guess...which is probably leaked all over the place. For example, I have no problem figuring out what your account name most likely is on sbcglobal.net, so all I (still) need to figure out is the password. THAT BEING SAID...in a shared administrative environment (i.e., business), I usually set up the machine, create users with sudo access for all the people administering the machine, then disable the disable the PW in the root user (I do this from one of the non-root users, to make sure I don't lock myself out of the machine!). I don't do this to obfuscate the administrative login process, I do this to make sure that EACH of the administrators of the system are able to administer the entire machine, and no one person has an advantage to administrating the machine by having the root PW. That way, in theory, if something happens to me, others can keep the system running and properly maintained. If one administrator leaves, I simply deactivate that account. Most of these systems actually do have an ssh key on root so that a backup system can log in and back up everything. So yes, 'root' is logged into. if so, why not install with no root account by default? Properly handled, it isn't a security advantage. And mishandled, you have a security problem, regardless, don't fool yourself into thinking otherwise. Fix the real problem, don't disable root. If the front door of your house is weak, don't paint it purple so people looking for your thin wood door won't recognize it is a door, FIX THE DANG DOOR. For many applications, there is just nothing wrong with logging in as root, and it is very possible to hurt yourself if you don't have that option available, or if you do something really stupid on the way to chasing this silly goal of never logging in as root. Nick.
Re: is root account really necessary?
is a root account really necessary? wouldn't a system with no root account, where all maintenance is done as sudo, be more secure? if so, why not install with no root account by default? Buy a book on Unix, please.
