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> Do you guys use your WWAN card under OpenBSD at all? :) Sure. I'm typing this on a Thinkpad T41p (bought used on ebay.de 1.5 years ago), using the local wavelan at a conference. ipw(4) works fine if you read 'man ipw' and pkg_add the firmware described in the man page. On the whole I'm happy with Thinkpads, and my next laptop will probably be another one (bought used -- computers depreciate so fast that a 1-year-old model costs < 1/2 the new price, and is still a very nice computer). ciao, -- -- From: "Jonathan Thornburg [remove -animal to reply]"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> School of Mathematics, U of Southampton, England "C++ is to programming as sex is to reproduction. Better ways might technically exist but they're not nearly as much fun." -- Nikolai Irgens
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On 2008-06-16, Brad Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 14:33 -0400, Jason Dixon wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 05:05:12PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: >> > On 2008-06-16, Han Boetes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: >> > >> I'm curious as to the 'modal' laptop that the developers use - >> > >> that would probably be a good steer for what to buy. >> > >> > X and T thinkpads are in the majority. There are a lot of >> > trade-offs between different models though, you'll have to do >> > some research to work out what's good for you. >> >> I purchased a X40 for travel to and work at c2k8. The only problem I >> had was with the iwi(4), which doesn't resume properly. I replaced it >> with a mini-pci ral(4) that resumed fine. But the ral(4) had issues >> with hostap mode. jsg@ fixed that shortly into the hackathon. > > FYI, newer Thinkpads have mini-pci cards whitelisted in the BIOS. One > can't install a ral(4) in them without hacking the BIOS (not > recommended). > > http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_unauthorized_MiniPCI_network_card I have an X40 and an X32, the X40 does not need the BIOS to be hacked, just change a byte in the CMOS RAM. Quite a different matter, and very easy to do (ports/misc/tpwireless). aiui X32 does need the BIOS hacking. But in my case I just used the ath(4) that came with the X40 (already whitelisted in the X32 and *way* better than the iwi), and put a ral(4) into the X40... Looks like ebay is also a viable source for the good cards.
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 04:16:44PM -0500, Matt Bettinger wrote: > i ordered my t61 with suse but you have to be ready and have the > direct url for the sales people because they want to ship it with > windows on it. It is a pretty nice laptop with the exception of the > POS discreet nvidia card. Yes, I myself also prefer imprudent video cards :) -- Mark Shroyer http://markshroyer.com/contact/
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After taking a couple Installer CD's, eg. Backtrack, Xubuntu, OpenBSD and FreeBSD to the Computer Market, i ended up purchasing an Asus F8NSV ; great Unit, put in 4GB of Ram, 250GB Drive. The spec is pretty awesome, paid converted ~800EUR for it, very happy since its like half priced of the Mac Laptops i used to buy. I did run OpenBSD on it for a while, later changed because i needed better Display Card Driver Support; It sports a 256MB Nvidia Card, and with no Driver its too slow to use with Gimp and so on. Otherwise, great Machine. Floor Terra wrote: On Tue, 17 Jun 2008, Pieter Verberne wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 08:52:44AM -0500, Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: I'm curious as to the 'modal' laptop that the developers use - that would probably be a good steer for what to buy. Anyone interested in making a database with as many laptops as possible with me? I would like to create a permissive-licensed, laptop comparisation database. I do these things more often in CSV: http://www.xs4all.nl/~pjhv/plog/080306-browsers http://www.xs4all.nl/~pjhv/plog/2008-06-17-window_managers.csv I want anyone to be able to download the database file itself since a webapplication for database querying is more limited I think. I want to compare as many as possible things. For example: CPU, memory, HD, audiocard, speakers, optical drive, OS, warranty, GPU, case-material, webcam, tracking devices, fingerprint, keyboard layout, NIC, size, weight, accu (durability) etc etc. I think I could make up more than 50 comparable things. I'm not experienced with databases at all, but I like to create content. First I want to discuss what datamodel we are going to us. And would it be possible to create such a database via CVS? I'm willing to help, but I think it would be better to use a "real" database like sqlite. If you need help with the database format, I can make a quick mock-up tonight. I'm not experienced with desktop (gui) applications, but web based or cli stuff I can help you with. Send me an (off list) email with your plans/requirements and I'll see what I can do. Pieter Verberne
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On Tue, 17 Jun 2008, Pieter Verberne wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 08:52:44AM -0500, Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: I'm curious as to the 'modal' laptop that the developers use - that would probably be a good steer for what to buy. Anyone interested in making a database with as many laptops as possible with me? I would like to create a permissive-licensed, laptop comparisation database. I do these things more often in CSV: http://www.xs4all.nl/~pjhv/plog/080306-browsers http://www.xs4all.nl/~pjhv/plog/2008-06-17-window_managers.csv I want anyone to be able to download the database file itself since a webapplication for database querying is more limited I think. I want to compare as many as possible things. For example: CPU, memory, HD, audiocard, speakers, optical drive, OS, warranty, GPU, case-material, webcam, tracking devices, fingerprint, keyboard layout, NIC, size, weight, accu (durability) etc etc. I think I could make up more than 50 comparable things. I'm not experienced with databases at all, but I like to create content. First I want to discuss what datamodel we are going to us. And would it be possible to create such a database via CVS? I'm willing to help, but I think it would be better to use a "real" database like sqlite. If you need help with the database format, I can make a quick mock-up tonight. I'm not experienced with desktop (gui) applications, but web based or cli stuff I can help you with. Send me an (off list) email with your plans/requirements and I'll see what I can do. Pieter Verberne -- Floor Terra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> www: http://brobding.mine.nu/ Netiquette Guidelines: http://www.apps.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.html
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On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 10:56:54AM +0200, Paul de Weerd wrote: > On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 10:35:17AM +0200, Pieter Verberne wrote: > | I want to compare as many as possible things. For example: > | CPU, memory, HD, audiocard, speakers, optical drive, OS, warranty, GPU, > | case-material, webcam, tracking devices, fingerprint, keyboard layout, > | NIC, size, weight, accu (durability) etc etc. > | I'm not experienced with databases at all, but I like to create content. > | First I want to discuss what datamodel we are going to us. And would it > | be possible to create such a database via CVS? > > No offense, but such initiatives are usually met with little > enthusiasm. Actions and words, and all that jazz. My advice would be > to just do it and announce it and see if it's popular. Don't debate it > in a committee and end up with nothing. Hmm.. you're right. Pieter Verberne
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On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 10:35:17AM +0200, Pieter Verberne wrote: | I want to compare as many as possible things. For example: | CPU, memory, HD, audiocard, speakers, optical drive, OS, warranty, GPU, | case-material, webcam, tracking devices, fingerprint, keyboard layout, | NIC, size, weight, accu (durability) etc etc. And by 'accu' Pieter does not mean the Association of C and C++ Users but battery (nl(accu) == en(battery)). | I'm not experienced with databases at all, but I like to create content. | First I want to discuss what datamodel we are going to us. And would it | be possible to create such a database via CVS? No offense, but such initiatives are usually met with little enthusiasm. Actions and words, and all that jazz. My advice would be to just do it and announce it and see if it's popular. Don't debate it in a committee and end up with nothing. By the way, there already is http://www.openbsd.org/i386-laptop.html with some details on different laptops. Cheers, Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd -- >[<++>-]<+++.>+++[<-->-]<.>+++[<+ +++>-]<.>++[<>-]<+.--.[-] http://www.weirdnet.nl/
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 08:52:44AM -0500, Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: > I'm curious as to the 'modal' laptop that the developers use - that would > probably be a good steer for what to buy. Anyone interested in making a database with as many laptops as possible with me? I would like to create a permissive-licensed, laptop comparisation database. I do these things more often in CSV: http://www.xs4all.nl/~pjhv/plog/080306-browsers http://www.xs4all.nl/~pjhv/plog/2008-06-17-window_managers.csv I want anyone to be able to download the database file itself since a webapplication for database querying is more limited I think. I want to compare as many as possible things. For example: CPU, memory, HD, audiocard, speakers, optical drive, OS, warranty, GPU, case-material, webcam, tracking devices, fingerprint, keyboard layout, NIC, size, weight, accu (durability) etc etc. I think I could make up more than 50 comparable things. I'm not experienced with databases at all, but I like to create content. First I want to discuss what datamodel we are going to us. And would it be possible to create such a database via CVS? Pieter Verberne
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On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Brad Walker wrote: > FYI, newer Thinkpads have mini-pci cards whitelisted in the BIOS. One > can't install a ral(4) in them without hacking the BIOS (not > recommended). > > http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_unauthorized_MiniPCI_network_card We have had tools to work around that for several years now. -d
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Michiel van Baak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 15:09, Mon 16 Jun 08, Aaron Glenn wrote: >> >> Do you guys use your WWAN card under OpenBSD at all? :) > > If you mean WLAN: yes > it's an Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG. > Works fine here. nah, I really did mean wireless wide area network card :) my T60p has a Sierra Wireless MC5720 in it and I've been slowly trying to get it to work. fyi, lots of people have reported much better signal strength on the Atheros based WLAN cards; I chucked my Intel in favor of that card and it also has the added benefit of no firmware bullsh*t
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oga is working on the nouveau port. Maybe some beer + hardware can speed up the situation... On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 04:16:44PM -0500, Matt Bettinger wrote: > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Ted Unangst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 6/16/08, Lars D. Noodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michiel van Baak wrote: > >> > On 09:33, Mon 16 Jun 08, Michael Gale wrote: > >> > >> >> I just picked up a IBM Thinkpad T61p. > >> > I have the same and really love it. > >> > >> > >> How were either of you able to get one without the Windows tax? > >> EU reports last autumn showed that is about half the cost. > > > > Woah. I can get a two grand notebook for only one grand without windows? > > > > i ordered my t61 with suse but you have to be ready and have the > direct url for the sales people because they want to ship it with > windows on it.It is a pretty nice laptop with the exception of the > POS discreet nvidia card.
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On 15:09, Mon 16 Jun 08, Aaron Glenn wrote: > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Michiel van Baak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 09:33, Mon 16 Jun 08, Michael Gale wrote: > >> Hey, > >> > >> I just picked up a IBM Thinkpad T61p. > > > > I have the same and really love it. > > Do you guys use your WWAN card under OpenBSD at all? :) If you mean WLAN: yes it's an Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG. Works fine here. -- Michiel van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://michiel.vanbaak.eu GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x71C946BD "Why is it drug addicts and computer aficionados are both called users?"
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Michiel van Baak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 09:33, Mon 16 Jun 08, Michael Gale wrote: >> Hey, >> >> I just picked up a IBM Thinkpad T61p. > > I have the same and really love it. Do you guys use your WWAN card under OpenBSD at all? :)
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Lars D. Noodin wrote: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Ted Unangst wrote: Woah. I can get a two grand notebook for only one grand without windows? Varies depending on overall prices, and only if the savings are not pocketed entirely. http://www.cybersource.com.au/users/conz/why_the_unbundling_windows_sceptics_ are_wrong.html That doesn't say you can get a $2000 notebook for $1000. It says in once instance, someone got Acer to refund EU135.20 for Windows XP Home out of the EU599 he paid for the machine. (He also got refunds for Microsoft Works and several non-Microsoft applications.) I don't know where they got those numbers, since I can buy Vista Home Basic OEM (or XP Home OEM) from Newegg for $85. For a 600 EUR notebook, a refund (or avoidance) of the Windows tax is significant: http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/96581 And that's just the link to the news article referenced from the above blog post. You're picking and choosing your numbers so you can say "ZOMG COMPUTER PRICES ARE HALF WINDOWS!!!" when that's not the case at all. Granted, I'd certainly be happy enough if I could save $90 on the purchase of a computer without Windows, but taking a $2000 notebook to $1900 is far from "half price".
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Ted Unangst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6/16/08, Lars D. Noodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michiel van Baak wrote: >> > On 09:33, Mon 16 Jun 08, Michael Gale wrote: >> >> >> I just picked up a IBM Thinkpad T61p. >> > I have the same and really love it. >> >> >> How were either of you able to get one without the Windows tax? >> EU reports last autumn showed that is about half the cost. > > Woah. I can get a two grand notebook for only one grand without windows? > i ordered my t61 with suse but you have to be ready and have the direct url for the sales people because they want to ship it with windows on it.It is a pretty nice laptop with the exception of the POS discreet nvidia card.
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On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Ted Unangst wrote: > Woah. I can get a two grand notebook for only one grand without windows? Varies depending on overall prices, and only if the savings are not pocketed entirely. http://www.cybersource.com.au/users/conz/why_the_unbundling_windows_sceptics_ are_wrong.html For a 600 EUR notebook, a refund (or avoidance) of the Windows tax is significant: http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/96581 Anyway, why send money to a group that causes so much trouble for open source system? Regards, -Lars Lars NoodC)n ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Ensure access to your data now and in the future http://opendocumentfellowship.org/about_us/contribute
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On 6/16/08, Lars D. Noodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michiel van Baak wrote: > > On 09:33, Mon 16 Jun 08, Michael Gale wrote: > > >> I just picked up a IBM Thinkpad T61p. > > I have the same and really love it. > > > How were either of you able to get one without the Windows tax? > EU reports last autumn showed that is about half the cost. Woah. I can get a two grand notebook for only one grand without windows?
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On 12:07, Mon 16 Jun 08, Jon wrote: > The only open source system pre-installed last time I looked was > OpenSuSE, which isn't such a great system to use in my opinion but that > should confirm you're not stuck with paperweight hardware. I'm using > Ubuntu on a Thinkpad T60 I occasionally use right now and everything > except lightscribe seems to "just work" nicely. I got the unit from a dutch company called centralpoint. and yes, it came with windows xp pro, and I liked it because I can use that license in my qemu instance. > > The only problem is the Intel GMA X3100 in this thing sucks. I have a > 2.5ghz 45nm Core 2 Duo. An Intel GMA X3000 in a desktop with a 1.8ghz > Core 2 Duo with smaller cache seems to outperform it. The Intel GMA > X3100 can play DVDs at fullscreen (1680x1050) fine but if you're into > the Compiz shift-switcher and work-space switching and such you'll be > disappointed. I installed ubuntu on the machine as well to see how that worked. I dont share the experience you had. All was snappy and fast, even with the 'full effects' setting. Compiz with cube and openoffice and a dvd playing worked like the movies you can see on youtube. No problem at all. Not that I care. I use X to place more xterms on a screen and the only graphical programs I use are firefox and easytag. Right now I have a dualboot with obsd 4.3 and ubuntu 8.05 and both work wonderfull. Only thing is that I always swipe my finger over the fingerprint reader just to find out I booted into obsd and cannot log in that way. That I can live with ;) > > > On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 14:52 -0400, Lars D. Noodin wrote: > > On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michiel van Baak wrote: > > > On 09:33, Mon 16 Jun 08, Michael Gale wrote: > > >> I just picked up a IBM Thinkpad T61p. > > > I have the same and really love it. > > > > How were either of you able to get one without the Windows tax? > > EU reports last autumn showed that is about half the cost. > > > > I've had small handful of ThinkPad's but stopped in 2002 when I got stuck > > with a bad unit and burned by a local dealer. The specs are attractive > > and I figure is about time look at them again, but only if they University > > are available with an open source system pre-installed. I'm looking at the > > lenovo shop pages and don't see the open source models available. > > > > -Lars > > > > Lars NoodC)n ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > Ensure access to your data now and in the future > > http://opendocumentfellowship.org/about_us/contribute > > > -- Michiel van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://michiel.vanbaak.eu GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x71C946BD "Why is it drug addicts and computer aficionados are both called users?"
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you think thats funny, some of the HP "click to upgrade" wifi cards aren't on the whitelist. when you call them, HP Support says "Tough luck." On 2008 Jun 16 (Mon) at 13:18:20 -0700 (-0700), Jon wrote: :HP does it too. Isn't this illegal (o;?"anti-competitive" etc) in some :countries? : : :On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 12:53 -0600, Brad Walker wrote: : :> On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 14:33 -0400, Jason Dixon wrote: :> > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 05:05:12PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: :> > > On 2008-06-16, Han Boetes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: :> > > > Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: :> > > >> I'm curious as to the 'modal' laptop that the developers use - :> > > >> that would probably be a good steer for what to buy. :> > > :> > > X and T thinkpads are in the majority. There are a lot of :> > > trade-offs between different models though, you'll have to do :> > > some research to work out what's good for you. :> > :> > I purchased a X40 for travel to and work at c2k8. The only problem I :> > had was with the iwi(4), which doesn't resume properly. I replaced it :> > with a mini-pci ral(4) that resumed fine. But the ral(4) had issues :> > with hostap mode. jsg@ fixed that shortly into the hackathon. :> :> FYI, newer Thinkpads have mini-pci cards whitelisted in the BIOS. One :> can't install a ral(4) in them without hacking the BIOS (not :> recommended). :> :> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_unauthorized_MiniPCI_network_card :> :> Brad Walker : -- Being stoned on marijuana isn't very different from being stoned on gin. -- Ralph Nader
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HP does it too. Isn't this illegal (o;?"anti-competitive" etc) in some countries? On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 12:53 -0600, Brad Walker wrote: > On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 14:33 -0400, Jason Dixon wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 05:05:12PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > > On 2008-06-16, Han Boetes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: > > > >> I'm curious as to the 'modal' laptop that the developers use - > > > >> that would probably be a good steer for what to buy. > > > > > > X and T thinkpads are in the majority. There are a lot of > > > trade-offs between different models though, you'll have to do > > > some research to work out what's good for you. > > > > I purchased a X40 for travel to and work at c2k8. The only problem I > > had was with the iwi(4), which doesn't resume properly. I replaced it > > with a mini-pci ral(4) that resumed fine. But the ral(4) had issues > > with hostap mode. jsg@ fixed that shortly into the hackathon. > > FYI, newer Thinkpads have mini-pci cards whitelisted in the BIOS. One > can't install a ral(4) in them without hacking the BIOS (not > recommended). > > http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_unauthorized_MiniPCI_network_card > > Brad Walker
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Jose Quinteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Super quick and dirty check, and I'd have to get it with "Windows Vista > Ultimate". "Ultimate what?" > is the question that comes immediately to mind. No thanks. > > Personally, I'd buy a Dell Insipidron N-series, purely for political reasons. I sometimes hit myself for political reasons too. //art > Saludos, > Jose. > > Lars D. Noodin wrote: >> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michiel van Baak wrote: >>> On 09:33, Mon 16 Jun 08, Michael Gale wrote: I just picked up a IBM Thinkpad T61p. >>> I have the same and really love it. >> >> How were either of you able to get one without the Windows tax? >> EU reports last autumn showed that is about half the cost. >> >> I've had small handful of ThinkPad's but stopped in 2002 when I got stuck >> with a bad unit and burned by a local dealer. The specs are attractive >> and I figure is about time look at them again, but only if they University >> are available with an open source system pre-installed. I'm looking at the >> lenovo shop pages and don't see the open source models available. >> >> -Lars >> >> Lars NoodC)n ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >> Ensure access to your data now and in the future >> http://opendocumentfellowship.org/about_us/contribute
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The only open source system pre-installed last time I looked was OpenSuSE, which isn't such a great system to use in my opinion but that should confirm you're not stuck with paperweight hardware. I'm using Ubuntu on a Thinkpad T60 I occasionally use right now and everything except lightscribe seems to "just work" nicely. The only problem is the Intel GMA X3100 in this thing sucks. I have a 2.5ghz 45nm Core 2 Duo. An Intel GMA X3000 in a desktop with a 1.8ghz Core 2 Duo with smaller cache seems to outperform it. The Intel GMA X3100 can play DVDs at fullscreen (1680x1050) fine but if you're into the Compiz shift-switcher and work-space switching and such you'll be disappointed. On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 14:52 -0400, Lars D. NoodC)n wrote: > On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michiel van Baak wrote: > > On 09:33, Mon 16 Jun 08, Michael Gale wrote: > >>I just picked up a IBM Thinkpad T61p. > > I have the same and really love it. > > How were either of you able to get one without the Windows tax? > EU reports last autumn showed that is about half the cost. > > I've had small handful of ThinkPad's but stopped in 2002 when I got stuck > with a bad unit and burned by a local dealer. The specs are attractive > and I figure is about time look at them again, but only if they University > are available with an open source system pre-installed. I'm looking at the > lenovo shop pages and don't see the open source models available. > > -Lars > > Lars NoodC)n ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > Ensure access to your data now and in the future > http://opendocumentfellowship.org/about_us/contribute
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Super quick and dirty check, and I'd have to get it with "Windows Vista Ultimate". "Ultimate what?" is the question that comes immediately to mind. No thanks. Personally, I'd buy a Dell Insipidron N-series, purely for political reasons. Saludos, Jose. Lars D. Noodin wrote: > On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michiel van Baak wrote: >> On 09:33, Mon 16 Jun 08, Michael Gale wrote: >>> I just picked up a IBM Thinkpad T61p. >> I have the same and really love it. > > How were either of you able to get one without the Windows tax? > EU reports last autumn showed that is about half the cost. > > I've had small handful of ThinkPad's but stopped in 2002 when I got stuck > with a bad unit and burned by a local dealer. The specs are attractive > and I figure is about time look at them again, but only if they University > are available with an open source system pre-installed. I'm looking at the > lenovo shop pages and don't see the open source models available. > > -Lars > > Lars NoodC)n ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > Ensure access to your data now and in the future > http://opendocumentfellowship.org/about_us/contribute
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Hey Stuart, From: Stuart Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 2008-06-16, Han Boetes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When I was at the latest eurobsdcon I noticed that all laptops > were either macbooks or lenovos. eurobsdcon + macbooks -> freebsd developers, right? :) Despite some rather unfortunate problems that creep up now and then, I have to admit that my experiences using Macs on OpenBSD has consistently improved over the years. I would say support is much better now than it was when I first tried out some laptops. Still, I would like to be able to run at native resolution sometime, although, I guess people are working on that right now, from what I understand. -- Aaron Hsu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 14:33 -0400, Jason Dixon wrote: > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 05:05:12PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > On 2008-06-16, Han Boetes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: > > >> I'm curious as to the 'modal' laptop that the developers use - > > >> that would probably be a good steer for what to buy. > > > > X and T thinkpads are in the majority. There are a lot of > > trade-offs between different models though, you'll have to do > > some research to work out what's good for you. > > I purchased a X40 for travel to and work at c2k8. The only problem I > had was with the iwi(4), which doesn't resume properly. I replaced it > with a mini-pci ral(4) that resumed fine. But the ral(4) had issues > with hostap mode. jsg@ fixed that shortly into the hackathon. FYI, newer Thinkpads have mini-pci cards whitelisted in the BIOS. One can't install a ral(4) in them without hacking the BIOS (not recommended). http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_unauthorized_MiniPCI_network_card Brad Walker
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On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Michiel van Baak wrote: > On 09:33, Mon 16 Jun 08, Michael Gale wrote: >> I just picked up a IBM Thinkpad T61p. > I have the same and really love it. How were either of you able to get one without the Windows tax? EU reports last autumn showed that is about half the cost. I've had small handful of ThinkPad's but stopped in 2002 when I got stuck with a bad unit and burned by a local dealer. The specs are attractive and I figure is about time look at them again, but only if they University are available with an open source system pre-installed. I'm looking at the lenovo shop pages and don't see the open source models available. -Lars Lars NoodC)n ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Ensure access to your data now and in the future http://opendocumentfellowship.org/about_us/contribute
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 05:05:12PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: > On 2008-06-16, Han Boetes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: > >> I'm curious as to the 'modal' laptop that the developers use - > >> that would probably be a good steer for what to buy. > > X and T thinkpads are in the majority. There are a lot of > trade-offs between different models though, you'll have to do > some research to work out what's good for you. I purchased a X40 for travel to and work at c2k8. The only problem I had was with the iwi(4), which doesn't resume properly. I replaced it with a mini-pci ral(4) that resumed fine. But the ral(4) had issues with hostap mode. jsg@ fixed that shortly into the hackathon. I am now using the X40 exclusively at home and work. My 15" MacBook Pro has been very lonely and will probably be going on eBay soon. -- Jason Dixon DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net/
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On 09:33, Mon 16 Jun 08, Michael Gale wrote: > Hey, > > I just picked up a IBM Thinkpad T61p. I have the same and really love it. > > After looking around for about a month and comparing the following: > > - cost > - battery life > - compatibility with Linux / BSD > > I had it narrowed down to the IBM Lenovo or a Mac. > > The IBM model was cheaper and had support for dual monitors via a > docking station. I currently have dual LCD's. > > Plus the T series seems to be a more durable machine, spec wise the Mac > was going to cost another $1000 to match in spec. > > Michael > > > Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: > >I'm curious as to the 'modal' laptop that the developers use - that would > >probably be a good steer for what to buy. > > > > > >-- > > > >Ed Ahlsen-Girard > > > > -- > Michael Gale > > Red Hat Certified Engineer > Network Administrator > Pason Systems Corp. > > "Status quo is not an option" > -- Michiel van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://michiel.vanbaak.eu GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x71C946BD "Why is it drug addicts and computer aficionados are both called users?"
Re: developer laptop choices
Staying away from macs is a wise idea; they use super low end hardware and wrap in in something pretty. On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 09:33:48AM -0600, Michael Gale wrote: > Hey, > > I just picked up a IBM Thinkpad T61p. > > After looking around for about a month and comparing the following: > > - cost > - battery life > - compatibility with Linux / BSD > > I had it narrowed down to the IBM Lenovo or a Mac. > > The IBM model was cheaper and had support for dual monitors via a docking > station. I currently have dual LCD's. > > Plus the T series seems to be a more durable machine, spec wise the Mac was > going to cost another $1000 to match in spec. > > Michael > > > Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: >> I'm curious as to the 'modal' laptop that the developers use - that would >> probably be a good steer for what to buy. >> >> -- >> Ed Ahlsen-Girard >> > > -- > Michael Gale > > Red Hat Certified Engineer > Network Administrator > Pason Systems Corp. > > "Status quo is not an option"
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On 2008-06-16, Han Boetes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: >> I'm curious as to the 'modal' laptop that the developers use - >> that would probably be a good steer for what to buy. X and T thinkpads are in the majority. There are a lot of trade-offs between different models though, you'll have to do some research to work out what's good for you. > When I was at the latest eurobsdcon I noticed that all laptops > were either macbooks or lenovos. eurobsdcon + macbooks -> freebsd developers, right? :)
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Hey, I just picked up a IBM Thinkpad T61p. After looking around for about a month and comparing the following: - cost - battery life - compatibility with Linux / BSD I had it narrowed down to the IBM Lenovo or a Mac. The IBM model was cheaper and had support for dual monitors via a docking station. I currently have dual LCD's. Plus the T series seems to be a more durable machine, spec wise the Mac was going to cost another $1000 to match in spec. Michael Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: I'm curious as to the 'modal' laptop that the developers use - that would probably be a good steer for what to buy. -- Ed Ahlsen-Girard -- Michael Gale Red Hat Certified Engineer Network Administrator Pason Systems Corp. "Status quo is not an option"
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I'd say the distribution is: 1. IBM/Lenovo 2. Dell 3. Apple 4. Asus/Fuji/Acer/MSI/Sony 5. The rest On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 08:52:44AM -0500, Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: > I'm curious as to the 'modal' laptop that the developers use - that would > probably be a good steer for what to buy. > > > -- > > Ed Ahlsen-Girard
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 08:52:44AM -0500, Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: > I'm curious as to the 'modal' laptop that the developers use - that would > probably be a good steer for what to buy. > > > -- > > Ed Ahlsen-Girard Take a look at http://www.openbsd.org/i386-laptop.html -- Sean Malloy www.spmalloy.com PGP KeyID: 0x13EEB747
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Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: > I'm curious as to the 'modal' laptop that the developers use - > that would probably be a good steer for what to buy. When I was at the latest eurobsdcon I noticed that all laptops were either macbooks or lenovos. # Han
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 08:52:44AM -0500, Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: > I'm curious as to the 'modal' laptop that the developers use - that would > probably be a good steer for what to buy. usually people seem to prefer laptops that have keyboards. some really advanced models may even have a screen but that is really optional. also notice that battery is sort of important as otherwise it's not really a laptop right? there seems to be a greate debate as towards pros and cons of clitors (vs pads mice and etc) but perhaps that is solely a sexuality induced measure. all other bells and whistles such as usb or embedded audio speakers with dolby 3d sound and stuff surely only eat extra battery and yeah -- GET CHICKS! cu -- paranoic mickey (my employers have changed but, the name has remained)
developer laptop choices
I'm curious as to the 'modal' laptop that the developers use - that would probably be a good steer for what to buy. -- Ed Ahlsen-Girard
