Re: [modperl site design challenge] and the winner is...
Philip Mak wrote: > I took a look at the winning design at > http://domm.zsi.at/modperl-site-domm/ and I see a significant problem for > people in 800x600 resolution (which is pretty common still, and I use it): Philip, can you please repost your comments to docs-dev perl.apache.org? We don't want to clutter this list with the site's discussions any more. Also folks have already fixed a lot of things, so you may be looking at the outdated version. Thanks! FWIW, we are having what seems to be a very productive discussion at docs-dev mailing list. Unfortunately no mail archiver seem to pick this list up, so only the mbox files are available: http://perl.apache.org/mail/docs-dev/ Is anyone up to make the searchable archives available? We have a bunch of lists that aren't browsable/searchable :( http://perl.apache.org/#maillists Thanks! _ Stas Bekman JAm_pH -- Just Another mod_perl Hacker http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide http://perl.apache.org/guide mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ticketmaster.com http://apacheweek.com http://singlesheaven.com http://perl.apache.org http://perlmonth.com/
Re: [modperl site design challenge] and the winner is...
Hi there, On Sun, 23 Dec 2001, Philip Mak wrote: > I took a look at the winning design You just spammed the Net with 100 Megabytes of junk. Please don't send 60k messages to the mod_perl list. 73, Ged.
Re: [modperl site design challenge] and the winner is...
I took a look at the winning design at
http://domm.zsi.at/modperl-site-domm/ and I see a significant problem for
people in 800x600 resolution (which is pretty common still, and I use it):
A horizontal scrollbar appears at the bottom of the screen.
Can't this be fixed? Also, the left sidebar seems to be wider than it
needs to be. The logo is 150 pixels, so I think it only has to be that
wide.
I have attached a screenshot from 800x600 resolution in Opera 6. (The same
thing happens in Internet Explorer 5.5.)
I took a look at the style sheet
(http://domm.zsi.at/modperl-site-domm/style.css) and changed a few numbers
such that the left sidebar takes up less space, and made it so that the
page is allowed to compress smaller such that it'll even fit in 640x480
(about 10% of internet users have that resolution last I checked, although
this proportion may be smaller for programmers).
I attached the changed style sheet; I think it's better this way. You can
see how it looks online at http://sg1.indexthis.net/~pmak/modperl.html.
Under smaller resolutions the horizontal scrollbar is gone, but it'll look
pretty much the same on 1024x768.
BTW, kudos to the designer on making that page without using tags
(which prevent incremental rendering)! I've tried to figure out how to do
that myself before but didn't manage to do so for pages this complicated.
(If the person viewing the page doesn't have stylesheet support though,
the sidebar will show up at the bottom of the page... Do we have any
statistics on what percentage of people viewing the mod_perl website have
user agents that don't do stylesheets, or Netscape with JavaScript off?)
modperl.gif
Description: Screenshot from 800x600
body { font-family: helvetica, verdana, sans-serif;
font-size:small;
color: #00;
background-color: #ff;
}
h1 {
padding:2px;
background-color: #828DA6;
color:#ff;
}
a:link { color:#ff; font-family: helvetica, verdana, sans-serif;}
a:visited {color:#ff; font-family: helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; }
a:active {color:#ff; font-family: helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; }
a:hover {color:#ff; font-family: helvetica, verdana, sans-serif;}
pre {
font-family: courier new, courier, monospace;
color: #00;
}
code {
font-family: courier new, courier, monospace;
}
div.navbar a {text-decoration: none; color:#ff;}
div.activenav a {text-decoration: none; color:#ff;}
div.navbarglobal a {text-decoration: none; color:#ff;}
div.notactivenav a {text-decoration: none; color:#525D76;}
div.toc a {text-decoration: none;color:#ff;}
div.leftcont {
position:absolute;
top:5px;
left:5px;
width:160px;
}
div.content {
position:absolute;
top:5px;
left:175px;
margin-right:10px;
padding:5px;
border:1px;
border-style:solid;
border-color:#525D76;
background-color: #ff;
}
div.logo {
padding:5px;
border:1px;
border-style:solid;
border-color:#525D76;
background-color: #ff;
text-align:center;
}
div.navbar {
padding:2px;
border:0px;
border-style:solid;
border-color:#525D76;
background-color: #ff;
}
div.activenav {
font-weight:bold;
padding:2px;
background-color: #525D76;
}
div.notactivenav {
padding:2px;
font-weight:bold;
border:1px;
border-style:solid;
border-color:#525D76;
margin-top:-1px;
}
div.navbarglobal {
padding:2px;
background-color: #525D76;
color:#ff;
}
div.navbarlocal {
padding:2px;
text-align:center;
}
div.tail {
padding-top:10px;
padding:5px;
border:1px;
border-style:solid;
border-color:#525D76;
background-color: #ff;
}
div.ad {
border:1px;
padding:5px;
border-style:solid;
border-color:#525D76;
background-color: #ff;
}
RE: [modperl site design challenge] and the winner is...
> > All that makes it really easy for someone new to feel comfortable. And isn't that what the mod_perl site should do? > > It would be nice to see license info, too, as someone new > might want to be > clear on that right away, too. > > You can also quickly see a list of supported modules. This > shows that it's > easy to extend, but also allows someone to see that it can do > the thing > *they* might be interested in. Sure, perl has CPAN, but I > think it would > be good to show a list of commonly used modules for mod_perl, > and what they > do, in a simple list. If someone is just learning about > mod_perl (or php) > the list doesn't need to be that big, as their needs will be > reasonably basic. The list could give the module authors a chance to write a paragraphs describing what the module does in 50 words or less to new users can get an idea without have to wade into the CPAN pool. > > Maybe as a community (of programmers not designers) we could hire a > professional designer to help develop our "brand". Cool web > site. Some > print ads in the trades. What's a small amount in dues to > the Association > of Mod_perl Programmers compared to increase of mod_perl work overall? > I'm all for this. I use mod_perl on a daily basis, but either due to lack of time or lack of knowledge or other reasons I don't get to give back to the community as much as I would like. This is a way for me and others in a situation similar to mine to give back to mod_perl.
Re: [modperl site design challenge] and the winner is...
I'm throwing in my two cents a bit late, so it's a bit depreciated now (one cent?). But something to think about for the site. I've worked with php a little lately -- not programming, but making minor changes to a site. I've used the php site http://www.php.net/ a few times, and I've found it reasonably functional, but also quite easy for someone new to php. Maybe it seems that way because I know nothing about php and it's geared toward my level. But that's good. How often to the mod_perl pros need to read the mod_perl home page? I'm sure all these elements will be added to the new mod_perl site in some way, but I just wanted to note what I liked about the php site. And I'm not comparing mod_perl to php! What the php site shows in a real obvious way is: 1) what is php (for someone that is brand new) with a link to some basic examples. It demystifies php in a hurry. Makes someone think "Oh, I can do that". 2) currently, it's showing Netcraft's usage stats, so I see that people are using it in growing numbers -- it's not a dead-end for a new person to try out. 3) it shows upcoming events. That shows that there's a real support group of real people to work with. Links to discussion lists archives would be good there. All that makes it really easy for someone new to feel comfortable. It would be nice to see license info, too, as someone new might want to be clear on that right away, too. You can also quickly see a list of supported modules. This shows that it's easy to extend, but also allows someone to see that it can do the thing *they* might be interested in. Sure, perl has CPAN, but I think it would be good to show a list of commonly used modules for mod_perl, and what they do, in a simple list. If someone is just learning about mod_perl (or php) the list doesn't need to be that big, as their needs will be reasonably basic. Existing mod_perl (or php?) programmers might not like all that basic, first-time user stuff right on the home page, and would rather have a more "functional" site. I don't know about anyone else, but I've got the links I need bookmarked, and if not I go to perl.apache.org and ^F right to where I want to go. BTW -- At first I liked David's idea of using the ASF look. That ties mod_perl to apache well. But, if the site is intended to bring in new users, it might be good to be a bit more flashy. Maybe as a community (of programmers not designers) we could hire a professional designer to help develop our "brand". Cool web site. Some print ads in the trades. What's a small amount in dues to the Association of Mod_perl Programmers compared to increase of mod_perl work overall? Bill Moseley mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [modperl site design challenge] and the winner is...
>>Ideally if Thomas, Carlos and Allan could take >>the best of each other's work and produce the "perfect" design, that >> > That would be OK for me, Carlos, Allan?? Wow, all three winners have agreed to work together to make the killer design! that's great guys!!! I guess the next step is to apply fixes suggested in the comments I posted yesterday and do some more polishing. Please post the URLs of things that you change to the docs-dev mailing list. Use [EMAIL PROTECTED] to get yourself on this list. And we will discuss it there. Remember David Harris' suggestion to use the colormap (and layout?) used by other ASF sites. Sounds like a good idea. Thanks again! _ Stas Bekman JAm_pH -- Just Another mod_perl Hacker http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide http://perl.apache.org/guide mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ticketmaster.com http://apacheweek.com http://singlesheaven.com http://perl.apache.org http://perlmonth.com/
Re: [modperl site design challenge] and the winner is...
Hi ALL, I did love the result and I too go by,.. >> Ideally if Thomas, Carlos and Allan could take >>the best of each other's work and produce >>the "perfect"design, I am willing to help you guys,. Congrats "Thomas and other participents". With best regards, Anand R [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quoting Carlos Ramirez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Thomas Klausner wrote: > > >># Design by Votes > >>-- > >>1. Thomas Klausner 86 > >> > > yeah! > > > Congrats Thomas! (and Allan). > > > >> Ideally if Thomas, Carlos and Allan could > take > >>the best of each other's work and produce the > "perfect" design, that > >> > > That would be OK for me, Carlos, Allan?? > > > > I'd be happy to help out in any way. > > I'd like to join in and thank Stas for setting > up the challenge and to > those of who you submitted some good comments on > my behalf. Overall, I > think the contest resulted in something > positive. > > -Carlos > > > > With Regards, Anand Ratnasabapathy, DSM Soft(P)Ltd, No:25,Nungambakkam High Road, Chennai - 600 034.
Re: [modperl site design challenge] and the winner is...
Thomas Klausner wrote: >># Design by Votes >>-- >>1. Thomas Klausner 86 >> > yeah! Congrats Thomas! (and Allan). >> Ideally if Thomas, Carlos and Allan could take >>the best of each other's work and produce the "perfect" design, that >> > That would be OK for me, Carlos, Allan?? > I'd be happy to help out in any way. I'd like to join in and thank Stas for setting up the challenge and to those of who you submitted some good comments on my behalf. Overall, I think the contest resulted in something positive. -Carlos
Re: [modperl site design challenge] and the winner is...[getting OT]
hello all a few comments from me regarding the competion. first of all a big thank to stas for invoking it. it was quite fun and challenging but also hard work getting the job done (learning TT + doc-set). secondly. thomas (and carlos), congratulations! i liked both your solutions. also thanks to all the voters and their very *useful* comments. i agree with 90% of them and i can tell it is so rewarding getting proper feedback. thanks! thomas. obviously i was dissapointed that my own design didnt win initially, but then i read the feedback from the people on this list and then had a closer look at your suggestion. i must agree it is pretty cool. in fact it is so great that i couldnt resist fiddling with it (i downloaded it from your site). so i have in fact already made a html-suggestion of one of the pages that i can upload if you want to look at it (and anyone else for that matter). it is a "allanification" of your design i guess, sort of keeping your basic layout and navigation and keeping the look & feel og my own suggestion - this way IMO combining the best of those two. but basically im open to any suggestion and prepared to help out if needed ... ./allan Thomas Klausner wrote: > > Hi! > > On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 10:28:04PM +0800, Stas Bekman wrote: > > # Design by Votes > > -- > > 1. Thomas Klausner 86 > yeah! > > > Since Thomas' design has won the gold, I suggest that we incorporate the > > constructive comments (attached) into his design, with David Harris' > > suggestion to apply on top the colors and some other bits from other > > ASF sites. Volunteers? > I started it, so I guess I should finish it. > > > Ideally if Thomas, Carlos and Allan could take > > the best of each other's work and produce the "perfect" design, that > That would be OK for me, Carlos, Allan?? > > -- > D_OMM +> http://domm.zsi.at <-+ > O_xyderkes | neu: Arbeitsplatz | > M_echanen | http://domm.zsi.at/d/d162.html | > M_asteuei ++
Re: [modperl site design challenge] and the winner is...
Hi! On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 10:28:04PM +0800, Stas Bekman wrote: > # Design by Votes > -- > 1. Thomas Klausner 86 yeah! > Since Thomas' design has won the gold, I suggest that we incorporate the > constructive comments (attached) into his design, with David Harris' > suggestion to apply on top the colors and some other bits from other > ASF sites. Volunteers? I started it, so I guess I should finish it. > Ideally if Thomas, Carlos and Allan could take > the best of each other's work and produce the "perfect" design, that That would be OK for me, Carlos, Allan?? -- D_OMM +> http://domm.zsi.at <-+ O_xyderkes | neu: Arbeitsplatz | M_echanen | http://domm.zsi.at/d/d162.html | M_asteuei ++
Re: [modperl site design challenge] and the winner is...
> That's said I suggest that any further discussion on this topic is to be > made on the modperl-site list, so not to clutter the modperl users list > with unnecessary noise. I've originaly posted here, because I wanted to > reach as many caring users as possible. But now those interested in > the fate of the site please subscribe to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and let's discuss things there. As it always happens something goes wrong. As David Harris pointed out to me, the modperl-site mailing list alias has gone. So please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead. Since the documentation is going to be integrated with the site, it's most likely that the modperl-site alias will point to this list anyway. To post remove -subscribe part (don't mention the real address for anti-spam). http://perl.apache.org/#docs-dev-list Thanks! _ Stas Bekman JAm_pH -- Just Another mod_perl Hacker http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide http://perl.apache.org/guide mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ticketmaster.com http://apacheweek.com http://singlesheaven.com http://perl.apache.org http://perlmonth.com/
Re: [modperl site design challenge] please vote
This is just a reminder that we need your votes. So far we have about 130 votes. Please help us to choose. Stas Bekman wrote: > Thomas Klausner, Allan Juul and Carlos Ramirez have answered the > challenge and submitted their modperl site designs. Thank you folks! > > Now it's a time for you to chose the design that you like the most by > voting at http://www.tohubohu.net/cgi/mpchallenge > > In order to let everybody enough time to vote, the votes will be > collected in 12 days from this announce, i.e. Monday December 17. > > Notice that in order to avoid cheating please submit your email address > along with your vote. At the end of the voting process, only votes with > email addresses matching the modperl list's subscribers list will be > considered as valid. That's why you cannot see the current votes' spread. > > If you want to add some notes (how to improve things, etc), please add > these when you vote in the 'comments' field. > > If you have any problems with voting email me directly, and not the list. > > Thanks to Eric Cholet for providing this voting script and hosting it. > > Thanks to Nathan Torkington for pushing for the site's change :) > > _ > Stas Bekman JAm_pH -- Just Another mod_perl Hacker > http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide http://perl.apache.org/guide > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ticketmaster.com http://apacheweek.com > http://singlesheaven.com http://perl.apache.org http://perlmonth.com/ -- _ Stas Bekman JAm_pH -- Just Another mod_perl Hacker http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide http://perl.apache.org/guide mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ticketmaster.com http://apacheweek.com http://singlesheaven.com http://perl.apache.org http://perlmonth.com/
Re: [modperl site design challenge] please vote]]
Thanks, Eric. Seems to be working. Emad Eric Cholet wrote: > > --On mardi 4 décembre 2001 08:17 -0800 Emad Fanous > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > "Sorry, someone (you?) has already voted from IP address > ip listed here>" > > > > So much for allowing my co-workers to vote even though we > > have unique email addresses. :-( > > > > Emad > > Sorry about that, this constraint has been removed, please try again. > > -- > Eric Cholet
Re: [modperl site design challenge] please vote]]
--On mardi 4 décembre 2001 08:17 -0800 Emad Fanous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Sorry, someone (you?) has already voted from IP address ip listed here>" > > So much for allowing my co-workers to vote even though we > have unique email addresses. :-( > > Emad Sorry about that, this constraint has been removed, please try again. -- Eric Cholet
Re: [modperl site design challenge] please vote: clarification
John Saylor wrote: > Hi > > ( 01.12.04 16:39 +0800 ) Stas Bekman: > >>Thomas Klausner, Allan Juul and Carlos Ramirez have answered the >>challenge and submitted their modperl site designs. Thank you folks! >> > > I'd like to echo that thanks since all 3 designs are thoughtful and well > executed. > > While a poll is cleaner in a way, it might be a good idea for these 3 to > try and work out a single design- maybe even in tandem with the poll. > > To me, democracy is good, but consensus is better. And it is within the > realm of possibility that 3 people can work out a consensus. > > Again, thanks to the submitters, nice work! The vote is needed to pick the major design, so we can move on. Obviously we will try to get the best of all submitted designs into the chosen one. And we will try to improve things with time. If we let the comments process to be open [read: say whatever you like/dislike] it'll consume a lot of time from everybody and we will end up nowhere. In fact we have been through this open commentary about 1.5 years ago and as you can see we still have the same site. And you have a chance to leave insightful comments when you vote :) _ Stas Bekman JAm_pH -- Just Another mod_perl Hacker http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide http://perl.apache.org/guide mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ticketmaster.com http://apacheweek.com http://singlesheaven.com http://perl.apache.org http://perlmonth.com/
Re: [modperl site design challenge] please vote
El Mar 04 Dic 2001 11:27, Einar Roheim escribió: > You just click on the names ... Didn't you see the links? > > > Einar > > At 09:52 04/12/2001 -0300, you wrote: > >El Mar 04 Dic 2001 05:39, Stas Bekman escribió: > > > Thomas Klausner, Allan Juul and Carlos Ramirez have answered the > > > challenge and submitted their modperl site designs. Thank you folks! > > > > > > Now it's a time for you to chose the design that you like the most by > > > voting at http://www.tohubohu.net/cgi/mpchallenge > > > > > > In order to let everybody enough time to vote, the votes will be > > > collected in 12 days from this announce, i.e. Monday December 17. > > > > > > Notice that in order to avoid cheating please submit your email address > > > along with your vote. At the end of the voting process, only votes with > > > email addresses matching the modperl list's subscribers list will be > > > considered as valid. That's why you cannot see the current votes' > > > spread. > > > > > > If you want to add some notes (how to improve things, etc), please add > > > these when you vote in the 'comments' field. > > > > > > If you have any problems with voting email me directly, and not the > > > list. > > > > > > Thanks to Eric Cholet for providing this voting script and hosting it. > > > > > > Thanks to Nathan Torkington for pushing for the site's change :) > > > > > > _ > > > Stas Bekman JAm_pH -- Just Another mod_perl Hacker > > > http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide http://perl.apache.org/guide > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ticketmaster.com http://apacheweek.com > > > http://singlesheaven.com http://perl.apache.org http://perlmonth.com/ > > > >Please, can you send the address of the three designs? Ok, please don't kill me, sorry, it's OK now, Hans
Re: [modperl site design challenge] please vote
Hi ( 01.12.04 16:39 +0800 ) Stas Bekman: > Thomas Klausner, Allan Juul and Carlos Ramirez have answered the > challenge and submitted their modperl site designs. Thank you folks! I'd like to echo that thanks since all 3 designs are thoughtful and well executed. While a poll is cleaner in a way, it might be a good idea for these 3 to try and work out a single design- maybe even in tandem with the poll. To me, democracy is good, but consensus is better. And it is within the realm of possibility that 3 people can work out a consensus. Again, thanks to the submitters, nice work! -- \js "seize turn-key portals"
Re: [modperl site design challenge] please vote
You just click on the names ... Didn't you see the links? Einar At 09:52 04/12/2001 -0300, you wrote: >El Mar 04 Dic 2001 05:39, Stas Bekman escribió: > > Thomas Klausner, Allan Juul and Carlos Ramirez have answered the > > challenge and submitted their modperl site designs. Thank you folks! > > > > Now it's a time for you to chose the design that you like the most by > > voting at http://www.tohubohu.net/cgi/mpchallenge > > > > In order to let everybody enough time to vote, the votes will be > > collected in 12 days from this announce, i.e. Monday December 17. > > > > Notice that in order to avoid cheating please submit your email address > > along with your vote. At the end of the voting process, only votes with > > email addresses matching the modperl list's subscribers list will be > > considered as valid. That's why you cannot see the current votes' spread. > > > > If you want to add some notes (how to improve things, etc), please add > > these when you vote in the 'comments' field. > > > > If you have any problems with voting email me directly, and not the list. > > > > Thanks to Eric Cholet for providing this voting script and hosting it. > > > > Thanks to Nathan Torkington for pushing for the site's change :) > > > > _ > > Stas Bekman JAm_pH -- Just Another mod_perl Hacker > > http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide http://perl.apache.org/guide > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ticketmaster.com http://apacheweek.com > > http://singlesheaven.com http://perl.apache.org http://perlmonth.com/ > >Please, can you send the address of the three designs?
Re: [modperl site design challenge] please vote
Hans Poo wrote: [snip] >> voting at http://www.tohubohu.net/cgi/mpchallenge [snip] > Please, can you send the address of the three designs? did you try clicking the links with the names? http://domm.zsi.at/modperl-site-domm/ http://www.quantumfx.com/modperl_site/ http://www.apache.org/~stas/site/candidates/allan-juul/ /Jon
Re: [modperl site design challenge] please vote
On Tuesday 04 December 2001 13:52, Hans Poo wrote: > Please, can you send the address of the three designs? If you click the names on the poll, you go to the sites. -- ___ Robin Berjon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- CTO k n o w s c a p e : // venture knowledge agency www.knowscape.com --- All fangs and no brain.
Re: [modperl site design challenge] please vote
El Mar 04 Dic 2001 05:39, Stas Bekman escribió: > Thomas Klausner, Allan Juul and Carlos Ramirez have answered the > challenge and submitted their modperl site designs. Thank you folks! > > Now it's a time for you to chose the design that you like the most by > voting at http://www.tohubohu.net/cgi/mpchallenge > > In order to let everybody enough time to vote, the votes will be > collected in 12 days from this announce, i.e. Monday December 17. > > Notice that in order to avoid cheating please submit your email address > along with your vote. At the end of the voting process, only votes with > email addresses matching the modperl list's subscribers list will be > considered as valid. That's why you cannot see the current votes' spread. > > If you want to add some notes (how to improve things, etc), please add > these when you vote in the 'comments' field. > > If you have any problems with voting email me directly, and not the list. > > Thanks to Eric Cholet for providing this voting script and hosting it. > > Thanks to Nathan Torkington for pushing for the site's change :) > > _ > Stas Bekman JAm_pH -- Just Another mod_perl Hacker > http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide http://perl.apache.org/guide > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ticketmaster.com http://apacheweek.com > http://singlesheaven.com http://perl.apache.org http://perlmonth.com/ Please, can you send the address of the three designs?
RE: [modperl site design challenge] please vote
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Re: [modperl site design challenge] please vote
Stas Bekman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Thanks to Eric Cholet for providing this voting script and hosting it. HTTP/1.1 200 OK Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 09:39:28 GMT Server: Apache/1.3.23-dev (Unix) PHP/4.0.6 mod_perl/1.26_01-dev Connection: close Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Expires: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 09:39:28 GMT Double header issue? -- David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Deep Purple Family Tree news http://www.slashrock.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: [modperl-site design challenge] Thomas Klausner (domm)
on 26.11.01 17:14, John Saylor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi
>
> ( 01.11.25 22:37 +0100 ) Thomas Klausner:
>> You can look at my idea of the the new modperl-site design here:
>> http://domm.zsi.at/modperl-site-domm/
>
Nice work!
Is it all right to talk details?
In my opinion something like:
.content {
line-height: 130%;
}
... can improve readability quite a lot.
mathias
Re: [modperl-site design challenge]
On Monday 26 November 2001 10:07, Bill Moseley wrote: ---snip--- > Does it need to render well in old browsers? (e.g. netscape 4.08) > > There's a lot of old browsers out there, but maybe anyone looking at > mod_perl would be a bit more up to date... > > > > Bill Moseley > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi: Think Accessibility! You really should be setting this up for global accessibility and for those with disabilities!Standards begin here, don't you think? Just a thought, Tom
Re: [modperl-site design challenge]
At 11:14 AM 11/26/01 -0500, John Saylor wrote: >> * While the design might not be to cool from the designers point of view, I >> like it because it is simple, doesn't use HTML-tables, is small and fast >> (/very/ little HTML-overhead) and accessible to disabled people. > >But that *is* cool. I think it's very well designed. To me, usability is >the main design goal. Keep up the good work! Does it need to render well in old browsers? (e.g. netscape 4.08) There's a lot of old browsers out there, but maybe anyone looking at mod_perl would be a bit more up to date... Bill Moseley mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [modperl-site design challenge] Thomas Klausner (domm)
Hi ( 01.11.25 22:37 +0100 ) Thomas Klausner: > You can look at my idea of the the new modperl-site design here: > http://domm.zsi.at/modperl-site-domm/ I like it. The main part of it is now just an elaboration of the contents, I imagine this will be a changing teaser of some sort. > * While the design might not be to cool from the designers point of view, I > like it because it is simple, doesn't use HTML-tables, is small and fast > (/very/ little HTML-overhead) and accessible to disabled people. But that *is* cool. I think it's very well designed. To me, usability is the main design goal. Keep up the good work! -- \js
Re: [modperl-site design challenge] Thomas Klausner (domm)
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 01:36:07AM +0100, Robin Berjon wrote:
> > > * The first page ("Home") successfully validates at w3.org (HTML and CSS).
> > That's very good. Do the others validate as well (or at least, do you see any
> > reason why they wouldn't ?) ?
> On some of the deeper pages, Pod::POM generates HTML like this:
>
> text
>
>
> This isn't valid HTML (according to W3C), so those pages won't validate
> successfully.
> e.g:
> http://domm.zsi.at/modperl-site-domm/download/binaries.html
Maybe you should use HTML tidy to automagically fix broken HTML?
Another thing is that accessibility guidelines recommend using XHTML
1.1, since your HTML looks pretty clean and simple you might want to do
that instead of using old HTML 3.2.
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Re: [modperl-site design challenge] Thomas Klausner (domm)
Hi!
On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 01:36:07AM +0100, Robin Berjon wrote:
> > * The first page ("Home") successfully validates at w3.org (HTML and CSS).
> That's very good. Do the others validate as well (or at least, do you see any
> reason why they wouldn't ?) ?
On some of the deeper pages, Pod::POM generates HTML like this:
text
This isn't valid HTML (according to W3C), so those pages won't validate
successfully.
e.g:
http://domm.zsi.at/modperl-site-domm/download/binaries.html
Another problem Stas pointed out is with pages containing preformatted text
( Tags), e.g. here:
http://domm.zsi.at/modperl-site-domm/docs/devel/writing_tests/writing_tests.html
If somebody knows a nice solution to this problem (-text flowing out of
the containing box), please drop me a note!
> > It worked very well on everything exept Netscape (because Netscpae 4's CSS
> > handling is absolutly horrible!), but it was still usable on Netscape 4
> > (and looked OK with CSS turned off).
> Netscape 4 isn't a web browser ... Everyone knows it's the
> only piece of software ever concieved that makes Windows 95 look bug free in
> comparison.
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Re: [modperl-site design challenge] Thomas Klausner (domm)
On Sunday 25 November 2001 22:37, Thomas Klausner wrote:
> http://domm.zsi.at/modperl-site-domm/
Simple, nice, and cool (imho), thanks for submitting !
> * The first page ("Home") successfully validates at w3.org (HTML and CSS).
That's very good. Do the others validate as well (or at least, do you see any
reason why they wouldn't ?) ?
> * While the design might not be to cool from the designers point of view, I
> like it because it is simple, doesn't use HTML-tables, is small and fast
> (/very/ little HTML-overhead) and accessible to disabled people.
That's imho fine. Until someone decides to become a marketing geek and
creates content for PHB-oriented sections, all we need is to look clean
enough, I don't think we need to look hypeful (if I may use such a word ;-).
> * I tested it with Mozilla, Opera and Lynx on Linux; Netscape 4.something
> and IE 6.0 on WinME;
It works well in Konqueror 2.1 as well, except for the about page that seems
to have a problem with CSS positioning (if you can't trace the problem down,
contact me in personal mail and I'll try to see if it does indeed come from
your code).
> It worked very well on everything exept Netscape (because Netscpae 4's CSS
> handling is absolutly horrible!), but it was still usable on Netscape 4
> (and looked OK with CSS turned off).
Netscape 4 isn't a web browser. This isn't a commercial site, and imho as
long as it degrades well to N4 (ie is usable) then I think we can ignore
cosmetic problems that may occur there. I don't think anyone even remotely
knowledgeable about the web still uses that thing. Everyone knows it's the
only piece of software ever concieved that makes Windows 95 look bug free in
comparison.
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