Re: [MOPO] Posters Should Not Foreshadow
The poster for the remake of Night of the Living Dead already reveals that the main character (Tony Todd) will also change into a zombie eventually. Trailers should be avoided as much as possible. However, sometimes the trailer is much better than the movie. Ron - Original Message - From: Michael B To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:58 AM Subject: [MOPO] Posters Should Not Foreshadow the other night, i watched for the first time, KIND LADY. with the great ethel barrymore. afterwards, i did a poster search. boy, am i glad that i didn't read the poster first. the poster gives away the plot; the poster ruins the development of the plot; would have ruined the first 25minutes, or so. poster link from bruce's site: http://www.emovieposter.com/imagearchive/poster/162129.html POSTERS SHOULD NOT TELL THE STORY! agree? of course, hitchcock's THE WRONG MAN does this in the title. michael Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] WTB - Helen, Katie, Suzanne, Bob, Nancy, Kelly, Tom, Chip TITLES
I have a friend named Doug Clark who is a very aggressive lawyer who lives in Scottsdale, AZ . I purchased a one sheet from THE TOUGHEST MAN IN ARIZONA, had it backed by Studio C, and had the wizards at Studio C replace star Vaughan Monroe's name with Doug's. He absolutely loved the poster, and it has been prominently displayed both at his home his law office. There is a martial arts star named Greg Douglass and a friend recently gave me one of HIS posters from some cheesy kung fu piece of crap. It impresses the hell out of my less astute guitar students and makes the more obnoxious ones think twice before giving me a hard time about ANYTHING! Greg Douglass Reel Classics Posters wrote: I'm having fun giving movie posters with their names in the title to friends and family. Anyone have anything to offer for the following? The Fabulous Suzanne (1946) I Am Suzanne (1933) Katie Did It (1951) - without the she may have done wrong... tag Kidding Katie (1923) Let Katie Do It (1916) There Goes Kelly (1945) Trigger Tom (1935) Father Tom (1921) Loony Tom (1951) Sagebrush Tom (1915) Stagecoach Tom (1910) Tom and His Pals (1926) The Conversion of Smiling Tom (1915) Tom Mixup (1930) Toodles, Tom and Trouble (1915) Trader Tom of the China Seas (1954) Weary Tom's Dream (1911) Uncle Tom's Caboose (1920) Chip of the Flying U (1914, 1926, 1939) Big Bob (1913, 1921) Breezy Bob (1919) Cyclone Bob (1926) Fighting Bob (1909, 1915) Smiling Bob (1912) Nancy (1922) Nancy Drew... Trouble Shooter (1939) A Letter to Nancy (1965) Nancy Comes Home (1918) Next Door to Nancy (1917) The Regeneration of Nancy (1913) The Hazards of Helen (1914) - think this was a serial, so there may be lots Helen Intervenes (1915) Helen of the Chorus (1916) Sing, Helen, Sing (1943) The Truth About Helen (1915) The Taming of Helen (1916) The Winning of Helen (1912) When Helen Was Elected (1912) Thanks, Elizabeth Reel Classics email: posters (at) reelclassics.com Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Posters Should Not Foreshadow
yes it does in a way, BUT to be truthfull, the aussie video, which has it as a photo, scared the shite outta me (and gave it ALL away), but I was still surprised at the ending, the US poster, or rather one of them (2 releases - for the original ) was designed by a member of Mopo (my favourite art, but still want a UK 1sht) and I managed to get a rolled version, in my top 3 films of all time (maybe top 5 depending on the day and my mood) Ari --- On Thu, 27/8/09, Craig Miller cr...@wolfmill.com wrote: From: Craig Miller cr...@wolfmill.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] Posters Should Not Foreshadow To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Received: Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 11:29 AM The original US poster for THE WICKER MAN (the original one, not the awful remake) showed the surprise ending. Craig. At 05:58 PM 8/26/2009, you wrote: the other night, i watched for the first time, KIND LADY. with the great ethel barrymore. afterwards, i did a poster search. boy, am i glad that i didn't read the poster first. the poster gives away the plot; the poster ruins the development of the plot; would have ruined the first 25minutes, or so. poster link from bruce's site: http://www.emovieposter.com/imagearchive/poster/162129.html POSTERS SHOULD NOT TELL THE STORY! agree? of course, hitchcock's THE WRONG MAN does this in the title. michael Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. ~ Craig Miller Wolfmill Entertainment cr...@wolfmill.com ~ Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. __ Find local businesses and services in your area with Yahoo!7 Local. Get started: http://local.yahoo.com.au Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Who are those heavy-hitters?
I can forward you my client list and that way you will know who all the big-wigs are. ;-) But seriously, while there is an occasional Hollywood buyer (see some of Nicolas Cage's posters in recent Heritage auctions for an example) or Sultan buying some pieces for his home theater, the majority of the best collections tend to be with long-time collectors/dealers who have shown a true love for the hobby over the years. And yes the Academy is still actively acquiring posters through buying and of course donations. Sean -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Reel Classics Posters Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 10:27 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] Who are those heavy-hitters? Though my poster budget is relatively modest, I watch lots of items in lots of different auctions just for fun to see how much they go for. Which leads me to wonder, just who are those bidders who can spend, say, $25k+ for a movie poster? Institutions? Dealers/Retailers? Individuals? Who? The Academy has some pretty amazing posters on their walls, but they don't ever seem to change, which makes me doubt they're in there buying regularly. Is it just Hollywood big-wigs and The Millionaire Next Door movie fans? Curious... Elizabeth Reel Classics Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] FA: Please IGNORE this post about our 800 GREAT Japanese Italian posters, plus U.S. inserts, closing in 13 hours, with 412 still $9 each under!
*HAVE YOU YET DISCOVERED THE AUCTION HOUSE WHERE MOVIE POSTERS DON'T HAVE TO COST AN ARM AND A LEG AND WHERE YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE JUST GONE 15 ROUNDS WITH DEWEY, CHEATEM HOWE**, WHERE **OUTRAGEOUS BUYERS PREMIUMS (sometimes as much as $14 minimum!), OFTEN MISCALCULATED SHIPPING, AND IMAGES THAT MAY OR MAY NOT SHOW AN UNENHANCED VIEW OF THE ACTUAL ITEM YOU ARE BUYING** ARE COMMONPLACE, AND WHERE MYSTERIOUS MAXED BIDS HAPPEN WITH ALARMING REGULARITY AND YOU NEVER SEEM TO GET ANYTHING FOR MUCH UNDER YOUR MAXIMUM BID? * Beyond the fact that our posters all start at one dollar with no reserve or buyers premiums (so they truly sell to the highest bidder), our supermarket selection lets you save* HUGE o*n shipping. Say you find five (or 10. or 20. or 100!) posters to buy from separate eBay sellers. Even if they are fairly priced and accurately described (two big *IF*s!), you still have to pay multiple separate shipping charges, which will almost surely eat up any savings you might have had. But in *OUR* auctions, you only pay a single U.S. shipping charge, even if you buy 100 items, so there is a massive savings, and if you can't find multiple items to bid on in our current *800 **Japanese posters, inserts, and Italian locandinas* listings, then maybe you should be looking for a new hobby! And lots and lots of our bidders report getting great deals and real steals in *OUR* auctions, often for a fraction of their maximum bid, something that never seems to happen in many other auctions.* * If you like *Japanese posters*, then tonight's set of auctions is perfect for you! *WE ARE SELLING A GREAT COLLECTION OF JAPANESE B2s (and rare B1s), AND THERE ARE LOTS OF GREAT TITLES AT RIDICULOUSLY LOW PRICES!* I was bowled over when I looked through the gallery of these at * http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/mode/0/14.html* (which contains *NO*items that you need to be wealthy to consider bidding on!), and *I REALLY COULD NOT BELIEVE WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT, BECAUSE I SEE PRICES THAT REPRESENT REALLY EXCELLENT VALUES ON QUALITY ITEMS, AND SOME BEING PRACTICALLY GIVEN AWAY! I HAD TO PINCH MYSELF TO BE CERTAIN I WASN'T DREAMING!* With just 13 hours to go, there are a *whopping* 110 of the 800 items at the opening bid of $1 each *(AND IN TODAY'S INFLATION-MAD WORLD, WITH $2-$3 A GALLON GAS, WHAT DOES $1 BUY YOU ANYWAY?)*, 214 are at $3 each and under, and 412 are at $9 each or under, and those numbers truly include lots and lots of really decent titles where you would expect to see them priced at $20, $30 or much more on many dealers' website *(and of course, in an auction with $14 minimum buyers premiums, EVERY single one of these would cost at least $15!)*. And almost *ALL* of the remaining 388* Japanese posters, inserts, and Italian locandinas* that are over *JUST* $10 each or over are mostly at really reasonable prices, with just 13 hours to go, and they include lots of *REALLY* good titles, and many that rarely ever come up for sale at bargain prices, like *THRONE OF BLOOD Japanese*, *TALES OF MANHATTAN insert*, *BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI pre-Awards insert, DARK KNIGHT advance Japanese* *B1*(close up of Heath Ledger as The Joker), *HAROLD MAUDE Japanese '72* (with a different close up of Bud Cort + Cat Stevens shown!), and many, many more! If you have been in this hobby for any length of time, you *KNOW* that it is very hard to find quality non-U.S. posters at low, low prices (especially in those auctions with the mysteriously maxed bids), but you may be able to get a fair number of them in the next 13 hours! Now I flat-out *REFUSE* to believe they can end at the current prices (I think it is only the weak economy causing temporary weakness in some prices, and that once the world stabilizes, people will look back at some current prices, and say, I shoulda bought more), and I am sure many of these posters will get more bids, but if you have been thinking Where are there good deals in this hobby?, you need look no further than these auctions! Go to *http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/mode/0/14.html* to check them out for yourself. *REMEMBER!* If you are one of the 5,600+ members of my weekly e-mail club (see below), you only have to buy 15 of these 800 items to get a set of all 21 of my in-print books as a free bonus! (If you somehow aren't a member, go to *http://www.emovieposter.com/mail/clubsignup.php* and join right now!). *GIVEN THAT SO MANY OF THESE ARE AT $3 OR LESS, YOU ARE VIRTUALLY ASSURED TO BE ABLE TO GET 15 OF THEM OF YOUR CHOICE PLUS THE 21 $20 BOOKS FOR AROUND $30 (or even less), AND HOW SILLY IS THAT?* And I don't want to read even one of those If I had any idea item X could sell so low, so I didn't bid kinds of posts come Friday morning! Bruce Hershenson and the other 24 members of the eMoviePoster.com team P.O. Box 874 West Plains, MO 65775 Phone: 417-256-9616 (hours: Mon-Fri 9 to 5 except from 12 to 1 when we take lunch) *http://www.emovieposter.com* our auctions
Re: [MOPO] Posters Should Not Foreshadow
Very true. And with comedies now, they usually show the best jokes. Increasingly I even have to switch off TV documentaries on movies, as I find they reveal too much of the plot. Started to watch a BBC doc on film noir last weekend, but they gave away the storyline and ending of In A Lonely Place, and when they moved onto Kiss Me Deadly, I decided not to take the risk... I may have seen an unhealthy number of these movies, but my partner has not. Clearly, they have to show some key scenes to illustrate a point, but they never used to have quite so many spoilers as they do now. Looking back at older documentaries that I recorded from TV, they used to have a more balanced structure, acting both as teasers to novices, and with a bit of analysis for crusty old film buffs. A few years ago I went to a retrospective showing of Get Carter (Michael Caine), preceded by a talk by the director Mike Hodges. During the talk, Hodges casually gave away the final scene. There were audible groans from the audience, and one disgruntled person actually asked him to shut up and come back after the film had been shown. Amazingly, being the nice guy he is, Hodges took no offence and did precisely that, even though he must have originally been planning to sneak out when the film started! You could say that these sort of showings are primarily for an audience that has seen the film a dozen times before, but it's obvious on this occasion that people had brought friends etc along to see it for the first time. Back to posters, the Quad for The Fly gives away quite a lot, but I think this is one case where I wouldn't have minded:- _http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=693Lot_No=64055#ph oto_ (http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=693Lot_No=64055#photo) Paul _www.movieposterstudio.com_ (http://www.movieposterstudio.com) In a message dated 27/08/2009 03:33:00 GMT Daylight Time, brucehershen...@gmail.com writes: I can't bear to watch trailers anymore. They sayFirst, they met, then they fell in love, they she found out she has cancer, and then he decides to steal a lot of money so they can have one last wonderful weekend together, showing you images from all these scenes. Who then needs to see the movie? Bruce Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Posters Should Not Foreshadow
Shawshank comes to mindTim Robbins in the rain with hands extending to the heavens just after his escape... Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. _ Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Posters Should Not Foreshadow
However, sometimes the trailer is much better than the movie. Sadly, this is so true. I hate when that happens. Against All Odds was one of the worst offenders.what a great, stylish, interesting trailer. Unfortunately, it was better than the movie. Regards DBT http://www.linkedin.com/in/douglasbtaylor Profile From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of MotionPictureArt.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 3:24 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Posters Should Not Foreshadow The poster for the remake of Night of the Living Dead already reveals that the main character (Tony Todd) will also change into a zombie eventually. Trailers should be avoided as much as possible. However, sometimes the trailer is much better than the movie. Ron - Original Message - From: Michael B mailto:dialmbb...@aol.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:58 AM Subject: [MOPO] Posters Should Not Foreshadow the other night, i watched for the first time, KIND LADY. with the great ethel barrymore. afterwards, i did a poster search. boy, am i glad that i didn't read the poster first. the poster gives away the plot; the poster ruins the development of the plot; would have ruined the first 25minutes, or so. poster link from bruce's site: http://www.emovieposter.com/imagearchive/poster/162129.html POSTERS SHOULD NOT TELL THE STORY! agree? of course, hitchcock's THE WRONG MAN does this in the title. michael Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards
Hi There, In the last few weeks I have been hearing from several collectors about a scam involving reproduction horror lobby cards, and possibly posters as well. These have been sold to unsuspecting collectors privately and through auction. I'm amazed that no one has spoken out about this. It would seem like those responsible can continue to fleece collectors if it's not discussed in forums such as this. Does anyone have any information? Best, Joe Burtis Please visit our website: www.mpagallery.com 90 Oak St. E. Rutherford, NJ 07073 201-635-1444 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND posters
I've actually heard about it too from a few different sources.but I have no first hand knowledgeand I am VERY surprised that those who do have first hand knowledge have not spoken up about it because they are members of this forum. I see no reason for not discussing it. David Lieberman _CineMasterpieces.com_ (http://www.cinemasterpieces.com/) | 15721 N. Greenway Hayden Loop, Suite 105 -- Scottsdale, Az 85260 Vintage Original Movie Posters | 602 309 0500 | Office/Gallery Open By Appt. Only. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Posters Should Not Foreshadow
You are right, Bruce! Many trailers show way too much and many reviewers (particularly the third-rate blogging kind) choose to reveal entire plots, twists and all, in their reviews. When the new Casino Royale came out, the New Orleans critic ended his review by revealing the clever use of a Bond dialogue staple as the film's punch line. But then-- Trailers That Tell All DO allow one to have seen the movie without going through the expense and motions of actually going to the theatre, paying exhorbitant admission, seeing the film through the blinking distractions of text-messaging idiots and having one's ears blown off at a volume designed to drown out the babbling voices of teeny-boppers (remember that term??) and their older peers. I saw the trailer for...and then happily managed to miss Transformers 2; Electric Boogaloo recently-- and couldn't be more pleased! Joe B in NOLA --- On Wed, 8/26/09, Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] Posters Should Not Foreshadow To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 9:32 PM I can't bear to watch trailers anymore. They sayFirst, they met, then they fell in love, they she found out she has cancer, and then he decides to steal a lot of money so they can have one last wonderful weekend together, showing you images from all these scenes. Who then needs to see the movie? Bruce On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 8:29 PM, Craig Miller cr...@wolfmill.com wrote: The original US poster for THE WICKER MAN (the original one, not the awful remake) showed the surprise ending. Craig. At 05:58 PM 8/26/2009, you wrote: the other night, i watched for the first time, KIND LADY. with the great ethel barrymore. afterwards, i did a poster search. boy, am i glad that i didn't read the poster first. the poster gives away the plot; the poster ruins the development of the plot; would have ruined the first 25minutes, or so. poster link from bruce's site: http://www.emovieposter.com/imagearchive/poster/162129.html POSTERS SHOULD NOT TELL THE STORY! agree? of course, hitchcock's THE WRONG MAN does this in the title. michael Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. ~ Craig Miller Wolfmill Entertainment cr...@wolfmill.com ~ Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Posters Should Not Foreshadow
Ari, we are totally (excuse overused teeny-bopper expression) on the same wavelength here. That's exactly my approach as well. And it ain't easy avoiding spoiler media and friends. Recently I sucessfully avoided any comment whatsoever and saw the new Potter film in IMAX--- almost 4 weeks after it's first release. Avoiding Potter Press was pretty difficult but I managed. Loved the film, too! Joe B in NOLA --- On Wed, 8/26/09, Ari Richards offaleat...@yahoo.com.au wrote: From: Ari Richards offaleat...@yahoo.com.au Subject: Re: [MOPO] Posters Should Not Foreshadow To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 10:08 PM I try not to watch trailers, read reviews, spoilers, of anything I havent seen. It (I think) is much more enjoyable seeing a movie blind, with older movies its hard as I spent much of my childhood and teen years reading as much as I could on films, but luckily my memory is like a gold fish, so I usually can still go in fresh. AFTER I have seen it then I enjoy reading what others have to say about it. Ari --- On Thu, 27/8/09, Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] Posters Should Not Foreshadow To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Received: Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 12:32 PM I can't bear to watch trailers anymore. They sayFirst, they met, then they fell in love, they she found out she has cancer, and then he decides to steal a lot of money so they can have one last wonderful weekend together, showing you images from all these scenes. Who then needs to see the movie? Bruce On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 8:29 PM, Craig Miller cr...@wolfmill.com wrote: The original US poster for THE WICKER MAN (the original one, not the awful remake) showed the surprise ending. Craig. At 05:58 PM 8/26/2009, you wrote: the other night, i watched for the first time, KIND LADY. with the great ethel barrymore. afterwards, i did a poster search. boy, am i glad that i didn't read the poster first. the poster gives away the plot; the poster ruins the development of the plot; would have ruined the first 25minutes, or so. poster link from bruce's site: http://www.emovieposter.com/imagearchive/poster/162129.html POSTERS SHOULD NOT TELL THE STORY! agree? of course, hitchcock's THE WRONG MAN does this in the title. michael Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. ~ Craig Miller Wolfmill Entertainment cr...@wolfmill.com ~ Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. __ Find local businesses and services in your area with Yahoo!7 Local. Get started: http://local.yahoo.com.au Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND posters
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Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards
Hello Joe, I do appreciate your bringing this up. Due to the legality of implicating anyone directly, I am assuming that many would prefer not to point fingers due to possible lawsuit implications. I know that Sean brought up the eBay handles of several that have been allegedly involved in the distribution of this material, in a recent post. We do know that a perpetrator has been making cards, inserts, half sheets, one sheets and even a three sheet and selling them as original. All the pieces were done from horror material. They are well done fakes. Once one sees the real and the fake, the fakes are obvious. But everyone should be very wary when contacted about buying vintage horror material from unreliable sources. We are not sure how many were made and exactly which titles, but we have come into contact with more than a handful of these from potential consignors and have made great strides in recognizing them, almost at a glance, and with great assurance feel none will be offered through us in the future. By the way, I understand the perpetrators are being pursued at this time, to the best of my knowledge. From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Joe Burtis Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:54 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards Hi There, In the last few weeks I have been hearing from several collectors about a scam involving reproduction horror lobby cards, and possibly posters as well. These have been sold to unsuspecting collectors privately and through auction. I'm amazed that no one has spoken out about this. It would seem like those responsible can continue to fleece collectors if it's not discussed in forums such as this. Does anyone have any information? Best, Joe Burtis Please visit our website: www.mpagallery.comhttp://www.mpagallery.com 90 Oak St. E. Rutherford, NJ 07073 201-635-1444 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards
I've been told to hold off writing anything until arrests are made. Otherwise we risk defaming someone who is innocent. At this point its all rumor and innuendo. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND posters
Greetings, This is really a sad state of affairs. While the criminal aspect of this situation is still under investigation as far as we know, a civil lawsuit has recently been filed. Even though we have known about it for several months, we felt that it should not be addressed until something official was filed and the parties served. This has now been done. In fact, we had planned to announce the existence of this lawsuit in our newsletter which I'll be sending out this afternoon. We understand that more civil actions are expected in the not too distant future. We plan to follow this and other lawsuits through the legal system. Sue LearnAboutMoviePosters.com http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com _ From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of David Lieberman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:01 To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND posters I've actually heard about it too from a few different sources.but I have no first hand knowledgeand I am VERY surprised that those who do have first hand knowledge have not spoken up about it because they are members of this forum. I see no reason for not discussing it. David Lieberman CineMasterpieces.com http://www.cinemasterpieces.com/ | 15721 N. Greenway Hayden Loop, Suite 105 -- Scottsdale, Az 85260 Vintage Original Movie Posters | 602 309 0500 | Office/Gallery Open By Appt. Only. _ Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND Posters
As Grey pointed out, there are at least three eBay sellers who have allegedly sold fake posters/lobbycards: JerseyProductions Filmfootage UniversalHorrorart The legal questions are did they knowingly participate in their creation and/or distribution, or did they come about ownership of the material unknowingly. This has yet to be determined by a court of law. And yes at least one civil suit was filed last month, with more forthcoming, and the FBI is currently aware and investigating this issue. I have been assisting in tracking down people who may have purchased horror material from these people and helping to determine if parties have indeed purchased fakes or not. As Grey stated, all sizes from lobby cards to at least one copy of a three-sheet have been forged (also including window cards which he forgot to mention). They were all done from Horror material - from original 1931 Dracula pieces to 1950s Realart pieces and possibly including other 50s titles like Creature From the Black Lagoon. If you have dealt with any of the above three sellers on this type of material at any time IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, I would urge you to contact me or Grey to assist you in determining if your purchases are authentic or not. _ From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Smith, Grey - 1367 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:34 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards Hello Joe, I do appreciate your bringing this up. Due to the legality of implicating anyone directly, I am assuming that many would prefer not to point fingers due to possible lawsuit implications. I know that Sean brought up the eBay handles of several that have been allegedly involved in the distribution of this material, in a recent post. We do know that a perpetrator has been making cards, inserts, half sheets, one sheets and even a three sheet and selling them as original. All the pieces were done from horror material. They are well done fakes. Once one sees the real and the fake, the fakes are obvious. But everyone should be very wary when contacted about buying vintage horror material from unreliable sources. We are not sure how many were made and exactly which titles, but we have come into contact with more than a handful of these from potential consignors and have made great strides in recognizing them, almost at a glance, and with great assurance feel none will be offered through us in the future. By the way, I understand the perpetrators are being pursued at this time, to the best of my knowledge. From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Joe Burtis Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:54 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards Hi There, In the last few weeks I have been hearing from several collectors about a scam involving reproduction horror lobby cards, and possibly posters as well. These have been sold to unsuspecting collectors privately and through auction. I'm amazed that no one has spoken out about this. It would seem like those responsible can continue to fleece collectors if it's not discussed in forums such as this. Does anyone have any information? Best, Joe Burtis Please visit our website: www.mpagallery.com 90 Oak St. E. Rutherford, NJ 07073 201-635-1444 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Posters Should Not Foreshadow
I sheets for Angel Face, (Mitchum/Simmons) and The French Connection immediately come to mind. Rich On 27 Aug 2009, at 08:23, MotionPictureArt.com wrote: The poster for the remake of Night of the Living Dead already reveals that the main character (Tony Todd) will also change into a zombie eventually. Trailers should be avoided as much as possible. However, sometimes the trailer is much better than the movie. Ron - Original Message - From: Michael B To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:58 AM Subject: [MOPO] Posters Should Not Foreshadow the other night, i watched for the first time, KIND LADY. with the great ethel barrymore. afterwards, i did a poster search. boy, am i glad that i didn't read the poster first. the poster gives away the plot; the poster ruins the development of the plot; would have ruined the first 25minutes, or so. poster link from bruce's site: http://www.emovieposter.com/imagearchive/poster/162129.html POSTERS SHOULD NOT TELL THE STORY! agree? of course, hitchcock's THE WRONG MAN does this in the title. michael Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND posters
1.? if there is court action pending, the court documents?(names of the parties) are public record.? please provide the identites ONLY, and the allegations. 2,??which government authority has jurisdiction? the US Justice Dep.---USA mail?used to commit a fraud??? outright fraud on the State level??? ??? 3.??horror poster material can be costly.? hundreds of dollars per item.? is the law any different than fakes designer jeans or gucci bags being imported from other countries and being sold in USA streets and flea markets? 4.? and a final thoughtif the facts?of the incident being addressed now--to which i had been unaware--are publicized on MOPO, perhaps, victims who read this site might be able to seek recourse?? michael??? -Original Message- From: Susan Poole s...@learnaboutmovieposters.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2009 12:29 pm Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND posters Greetings, ? This is really a sad state of affairs.? While the criminal aspect of this situation is still under investigation as far as we know, a civil lawsuit has recently been filed.? Even though we have known about it for several months, we felt that it should not be addressed until something official was filed and the parties served.? This has now been done.? In fact, we had planned to announce the existence of this lawsuit in our newsletter which I'll be sending out this afternoon. ? We understand that more civil actions are expected in the not too distant future.? We plan to follow this and other lawsuits through the legal system. ? Sue LearnAboutMoviePosters.com ? ? From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of David Lieberman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:01 To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND posters ? I've actually heard about it too from a few different sources.but I have no first hand knowledgeand I am VERY surprised that those who do have first hand knowledge have not spoken up about it because they are members of this forum. ? I see no reason for not discussing it. David Lieberman CineMasterpieces.com CineMasterpieces.com | 15721 N. Greenway Hayden Loop, Suite 105 -- Scottsdale, Az 85260 Vintage Original Movie Posters | 602 309 0500 | Office/Gallery Open By Appt. Only. | 602 309 0500 | Office/Gallery Open By Appt. Only. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND Posters
I don't know the ins outs of all this, but once they are convicted, would someone be so kind as to post the info on www.movieposterforum.com ? The more people that are made aware, the better. Hopefully people will think twice. Andy Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:58:48 -0400 From: slinkenb...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND Posters To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU As Grey pointed out, there are at least three eBay sellers who have allegedly sold fake posters/lobbycards: JerseyProductions Filmfootage UniversalHorrorart The legal questions are did they knowingly participate in their creation and/or distribution, or did they come about ownership of the material unknowingly. This has yet to be determined by a court of law. And yes at least one civil suit was filed last month, with more forthcoming, and the FBI is currently aware and investigating this issue. I have been assisting in tracking down people who may have purchased horror material from these people and helping to determine if parties have indeed purchased fakes or not. As Grey stated, all sizes from lobby cards to at least one copy of a three-sheet have been forged (also including window cards which he forgot to mention). They were all done from Horror material – from original 1931 Dracula pieces to 1950s Realart pieces and possibly including other 50s titles like Creature From the Black Lagoon. If you have dealt with any of the above three sellers on this type of material at any time IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, I would urge you to contact me or Grey to assist you in determining if your purchases are authentic or not. From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Smith, Grey - 1367 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:34 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards Hello Joe, I do appreciate your bringing this up. Due to the legality of implicating anyone directly, I am assuming that many would prefer not to point fingers due to possible lawsuit implications. I know that Sean brought up the eBay handles of several that have been allegedly involved in the distribution of this material, in a recent post. We do know that a perpetrator has been making cards, inserts, half sheets, one sheets and even a three sheet and selling them as original. All the pieces were done from horror material. They are well done fakes. Once one sees the real and the fake, the fakes are obvious. But everyone should be very wary when contacted about buying vintage horror material from unreliable sources. We are not sure how many were made and exactly which titles, but we have come into contact with more than a handful of these from potential consignors and have made great strides in recognizing them, almost at a glance, and with great assurance feel none will be offered through us in the future. By the way, I understand the perpetrators are being pursued at this time, to the best of my knowledge. From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Joe Burtis Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:54 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards Hi There, In the last few weeks I have been hearing from several collectors about a scam involving reproduction horror lobby cards, and possibly posters as well. These have been sold to unsuspecting collectors privately and through auction. I'm amazed that no one has spoken out about this. It would seem like those responsible can continue to fleece collectors if it's not discussed in forums such as this. Does anyone have any information? Best, Joe Burtis Please visit our website: www.mpagallery.com 90 Oak St. E. Rutherford, NJ 07073 201-635-1444 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com
Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND posters
Fake designer jewelry involves theft of trademark and selling fraudulent movie posters as originals does not. FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Michael B Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:05 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND posters 1. if there is court action pending, the court documents (names of the parties) are public record. please provide the identites ONLY, and the allegations. 2, which government authority has jurisdiction the US Justice Dep.---USA mail used to commit a fraud? outright fraud on the State level? ??? 3. horror poster material can be costly. hundreds of dollars per item. is the law any different than fakes designer jeans or gucci bags being imported from other countries and being sold in USA streets and flea markets? 4. and a final thoughtif the facts of the incident being addressed now--to which i had been unaware--are publicized on MOPO, perhaps, victims who read this site might be able to seek recourse? michael -Original Message- From: Susan Poole s...@learnaboutmovieposters.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2009 12:29 pm Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND posters Greetings, This is really a sad state of affairs. While the criminal aspect of this situation is still under investigation as far as we know, a civil lawsuit has recently been filed. Even though we have known about it for several months, we felt that it should not be addressed until something official was filed and the parties served. This has now been done. In fact, we had planned to announce the existence of this lawsuit in our newsletter which I'll be sending out this afternoon. We understand that more civil actions are expected in the not too distant future. We plan to follow this and other lawsuits through the legal system. Sue LearnAboutMoviePosters.com _ From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of David Lieberman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:01 To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND posters I've actually heard about it too from a few different sources.but I have no first hand knowledgeand I am VERY surprised that those who do have first hand knowledge have not spoken up about it because they are members of this forum. I see no reason for not discussing it. David Lieberman CineMasterpieces.com | 15721 N. Greenway Hayden Loop, Suite 105 -- Scottsdale, Az 85260 Vintage Original Movie Posters | 602 309 0500 | Office/Gallery Open By Appt. Only. _ Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Posters Should Not Foreshadow
I am the MoPo member who designed the later one-sheet for THE WICKER MAN. When the showed me the artwork that Warner Bros. had come up with for the film, I couldn't believe that they'd given away the surprise ending. (Thanks for liking my version.) Craig. At 11:57 PM 8/26/2009, you wrote: yes it does in a way, BUT to be truthfull, the aussie video, which has it as a photo, scared the shite outta me (and gave it ALL away), but I was still surprised at the ending, the US poster, or rather one of them (2 releases - for the original ) was designed by a member of Mopo (my favourite art, but still want a UK 1sht) and I managed to get a rolled version, in my top 3 films of all time (maybe top 5 depending on the day and my mood) Ari --- On Thu, 27/8/09, Craig Miller cr...@wolfmill.com wrote: From: Craig Miller cr...@wolfmill.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] Posters Should Not Foreshadow To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Received: Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 11:29 AM The original US poster for THE WICKER MAN (the original one, not the awful remake) showed the surprise ending. Craig. At 05:58 PM 8/26/2009, you wrote: the other night, i watched for the first time, KIND LADY. with the great ethel barrymore. afterwards, i did a poster search. boy, am i glad that i didn't read the poster first. the poster gives away the plot; the poster ruins the development of the plot; would have ruined the first 25minutes, or so. poster link from bruce's site: http://www.emovieposter.com/imagearchive/poster/162129.html POSTERS SHOULD NOT TELL THE STORY! agree? of course, hitchcock's THE WRONG MAN does this in the title. michael Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. ~ Craig Miller Wolfmill Entertainment cr...@wolfmill.com ~ Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. __ Find local businesses and services in your area with Yahoo!7 Local. Get started: http://local.yahoo.com.au Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. ~ Craig MillerWolfmill Entertainment cr...@wolfmill.com ~ Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Posters Should Not Foreshadow
this thread put me in mind of the late, great Lionel Hutz: Mr. Simpson, this is the most blatant case of fradulent advertising since my suit against The NeverEnding Story one poster that springs to mind is the style b for Kubrick's 'The Killing' and don't get me started on King Kong ;-) http://www.movieposterdb.com/poster/581b4474 neil --- On Thu, 27/8/09, Craig Miller cr...@wolfmill.com wrote: From: Craig Miller cr...@wolfmill.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] Posters Should Not Foreshadow To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Date: Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 6:33 PM I am the MoPo member who designed the later one-sheet for THE WICKER MAN. When the showed me the artwork that Warner Bros. had come up with for the film, I couldn't believe that they'd given away the surprise ending. (Thanks for liking my version.) Craig. At 11:57 PM 8/26/2009, you wrote: yes it does in a way, BUT to be truthfull, the aussie video, which has it as a photo, scared the shite outta me (and gave it ALL away), but I was still surprised at the ending, the US poster, or rather one of them (2 releases - for the original ) was designed by a member of Mopo (my favourite art, but still want a UK 1sht) and I managed to get a rolled version, in my top 3 films of all time (maybe top 5 depending on the day and my mood) Ari --- On Thu, 27/8/09, Craig Miller cr...@wolfmill.com wrote: From: Craig Miller cr...@wolfmill.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] Posters Should Not Foreshadow To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Received: Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 11:29 AM The original US poster for THE WICKER MAN (the original one, not the awful remake) showed the surprise ending. Craig. At 05:58 PM 8/26/2009, you wrote: the other night, i watched for the first time, KIND LADY. with the great ethel barrymore. afterwards, i did a poster search. boy, am i glad that i didn't read the poster first. the poster gives away the plot; the poster ruins the development of the plot; would have ruined the first 25minutes, or so. poster link from bruce's site: http://www.emovieposter.com/imagearchive/poster/162129.html POSTERS SHOULD NOT TELL THE STORY! agree? of course, hitchcock's THE WRONG MAN does this in the title. michael Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. ~ Craig Miller Wolfmill Entertainment cr...@wolfmill.com ~ Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. __ Find local businesses and services in your area with Yahoo!7 Local. Get started: http://local.yahoo.com.au Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. ~ Craig Miller Wolfmill Entertainment cr...@wolfmill.com ~ Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L
Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND Posters
Is there any particular reason why legal action is being taken with these, while, (to my knowledge anyway) there was no similar action with the minty whites? Rich On 27 Aug 2009, at 17:58, Sean Linkenback wrote: As Grey pointed out, there are at least three eBay sellers who have allegedly sold fake posters/lobbycards: JerseyProductions Filmfootage UniversalHorrorart The legal questions are did they knowingly participate in their creation and/or distribution, or did they come about ownership of the material unknowingly. This has yet to be determined by a court of law. And yes at least one civil suit was filed last month, with more forthcoming, and the FBI is currently aware and investigating this issue. I have been assisting in tracking down people who may have purchased horror material from these people and helping to determine if parties have indeed purchased fakes or not. As Grey stated, all sizes from lobby cards to at least one copy of a three-sheet have been forged (also including window cards which he forgot to mention). They were all done from Horror material – from original 1931 Dracula pieces to 1950s Realart pieces and possibly including other 50s titles like Creature From the Black Lagoon. If you have dealt with any of the above three sellers on this type of material at any time IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, I would urge you to contact me or Grey to assist you in determining if your purchases are authentic or not. From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Smith, Grey - 1367 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:34 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards Hello Joe, I do appreciate your bringing this up. Due to the legality of implicating anyone directly, I am assuming that many would prefer not to point fingers due to possible lawsuit implications. I know that Sean brought up the eBay handles of several that have been allegedly involved in the distribution of this material, in a recent post. We do know that a perpetrator has been making cards, inserts, half sheets, one sheets and even a three sheet and selling them as original. All the pieces were done from horror material. They are well done fakes. Once one sees the real and the fake, the fakes are obvious. But everyone should be very wary when contacted about buying vintage horror material from unreliable sources. We are not sure how many were made and exactly which titles, but we have come into contact with more than a handful of these from potential consignors and have made great strides in recognizing them, almost at a glance, and with great assurance feel none will be offered through us in the future. By the way, I understand the perpetrators are being pursued at this time, to the best of my knowledge. From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Joe Burtis Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:54 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards Hi There, In the last few weeks I have been hearing from several collectors about a scam involving reproduction horror lobby cards, and possibly posters as well. These have been sold to unsuspecting collectors privately and through auction. I'm amazed that no one has spoken out about this. It would seem like those responsible can continue to fleece collectors if it's not discussed in forums such as this. Does anyone have any information? Best, Joe Burtis Please visit our website: www.mpagallery.com 90 Oak St. E. Rutherford, NJ 07073 201-635-1444 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message
Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND Posters
what about a bootleg STAR WARS poster?? maybe not sue.. but sure as heck would never buy from that seller again, either. On Aug 27, 2009, at 12:03 PM, David Lieberman wrote: would you sue someone if they sold you one fake $100.00 minty white?? you'd be pissed, but I don't think you'd sue them. David Lieberman CineMasterpieces.com | 15721 N. Greenway Hayden Loop, Suite 105 -- Scottsdale, Az 85260 Vintage Original Movie Posters | 602 309 0500 | Office/Gallery Open By Appt. Only. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND Posters
would you sue someone if they sold you one fake $100.00 minty white?? you'd be pissed, but I don't think you'd sue them. David Lieberman _CineMasterpieces.com_ (http://www.cinemasterpieces.com/) | 15721 N. Greenway Hayden Loop, Suite 105 -- Scottsdale, Az 85260 Vintage Original Movie Posters | 602 309 0500 | Office/Gallery Open By Appt. Only. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND Posters
We've given away/sold close to 200 fake star wars style a one sheets to happy and grateful collectors all over the world..ALL properly and fully described and marked as fake and the only one who seems to have a perpetual stick up his ass about it is Jeff Potokar. David Lieberman _CineMasterpieces.com_ (http://www.cinemasterpieces.com/) | 15721 N. Greenway Hayden Loop, Suite 105 -- Scottsdale, Az 85260 Vintage Original Movie Posters | 602 309 0500 | Office/Gallery Open By Appt. Only. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] FACLOSING! Horror1Shts,ChineseKungFu,DavidLean,JohnFordRollerball ALL BARGAINS
Hi, Everyone, Just thought I'd ask if you'd PLEASE CHECK OUT the 35 to 40 Auctions I have closing WITHIN 6 TO 7 HOURS, including BARGAINS on MUTIPLE US 1-SHEETS from MANY DIFFERENT GENRES---everything from 70's HORROR to DAVID LEAN to JOHN FORD to FILM NOIR. BOB HOPE, THE WIZ, SUPERMAN and MUCH MORE!!! Anyway, I have some INCREDIBLE BARGAINS closing VERY SOON. If you have an extra minute, I'd REALLY appreciate it if you'd take a look. Link to ALL Auctions and SHORT PARTIAL LIST is below: Thanks very much, Rick _http://shop.ebay.com/rixposterz/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg_ (http://shop.ebay.com/rixposterz/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg) DAVID LEAN-- 3 Orig Posters FOR ONLY $24.99!! RYAN'S DAUGHTER, LAWRENCE OF ARABIA and BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI 6 Orig 50's BOB HOPE US Lobby Cards GREAT TITLES! ALL 6 FOR ONLY $14.99!! 3 Orig 50's/60's JOHN FORD US Posters---GREAT TITLES--ALL 3 FOR ONLY $14.99!! HALLOWEEN 4 + MORE! 3 Orig 70's/80's HORROR US 1-SHEETS FOR ONLY $19.99!! JESSICA LANGE--3 Orig 1-SHEETS FOR ONLY $19.99! NM!THE POSTMAN ALWAYS RINGS TWICE, FRANCES + SWEET DREAMS!!! THE FURY, SATURN 3 + THE VISITOR--3 Orig 70's SCI-FI/HORROR 1-SHTS FOR ONLY $19.99!!! ROLLERBALL---Orig Poster W/BOB PEAK ART + 3 Orig NM US Lobby Cards ALL FOR ONLY $19.99!! SORCERER, MAGIC + THE ALCHEMIST--3 Orig 70's HORROR US 1-SHEETS--ALL 3 FOR $19.99!! DAY OF THE JACKAL Orig 1973 US 3-SHEET NEAR MINT! ONLY $14.99!! THE WIZ (Michael Jackson, Diana Ross, 1978) Orig US 1-SHEET NEAR MINT!! ONLY $24.99!! THE KISS OF DEATH + 2 MORE CLASSIC CHINESE KUNG FU Posters! ALL FOR ONLY $19.99!! MAD DOGS AND ENGLISHMEN, SING BOY SING + BECAUSE THEY'RE YOUNG 3 Orig 50's-70's ROCK + ROLL Posters---ALL 3 FOR ONLY $14.99!!! 3 Orig 50's-60's PARACHUTING/SKYDIVING Posters GREAT TITLES! ALL 3 FOR ONLY $14.99!! SUPERMAN II SUPERMAN III --2 Orig Posters RARE STYLE! BOTH FOR ONLY $19.99!!! A FUNNY THING HAPPENED ON THE WAY TO THE FORUM US 1-SHT + ON MY WAY TO THE CRUSADES I MET A GIRL WHO.. US Insert BOTH Orig Posters FOR $19.99!!! And these are ONLY ABOUT A THIRD of all the Auctions I have closing VERY SOON! Thanks again! _http://shop.ebay.com/rixposterz/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg_ (http://shop.ebay.com/rixposterz/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg) Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND Posters
it was a general question, dave. why is it that the subject causes your hackles to get raised? and i have seen many comments on message boards, siting these fakes and suggesting that they stop being sold. i am not alone in this thought-- look here or NS4. it has come up numerous times from other concerned buyers and collectors, as well. On Aug 27, 2009, at 12:40 PM, David Lieberman wrote: We've given away/sold close to 200 fake star wars style a one sheets to happy and grateful collectors all over the world..ALL properly and fully described and marked as fake and the only one who seems to have a perpetual stick up his ass about it is Jeff Potokar. David Lieberman CineMasterpieces.com | 15721 N. Greenway Hayden Loop, Suite 105 -- Scottsdale, Az 85260 Vintage Original Movie Posters | 602 309 0500 | Office/Gallery Open By Appt. Only. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND Posters
Funny...all this selfless generosity from the same person who once told me that Greed is good Also, maybe that stick feels good in Jeff's ass.. Rick Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards
Thank you, thank you, thank you for FINALLY making this public. I have known of this for several months now, but EVERYONE who had told me details has sworn me to secrecy. I want to know who made these fakes, who sold them, who re-sold them, what auctions auctioned any, and MOST importantly, see a list of titles and sizes known to have been faked. I understand wanting to build a case and wanting to recovery stolen money, but it is likely that new people are being fleeced every day this has gone unreported. For the record, I don't believe I sold even ONE of these fakes, and I certainly never bought any, so I have no dog in this race. I hope that those who do are sure to do all they can to help those who were victimized (and not wait for them to discover it on their own) or this is likely to cripple our hobby. Bruce On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Joe Burtis jbur...@mpagallery.com wrote: Hi There, In the last few weeks I have been hearing from several collectors about a scam involving reproduction horror lobby cards, and possibly posters as well. These have been sold to unsuspecting collectors privately and through auction. I'm amazed that no one has spoken out about this. It would seem like those responsible can continue to fleece collectors if it's not discussed in forums such as this. Does anyone have any information? Best, Joe Burtis Please visit our website: www.mpagallery.com 90 Oak St. E. Rutherford, NJ 07073 201-635-1444 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Fake star wars posters
hey potokar when people are complaining about the fakes.they are not referring to the marked ones I gave away/sold. you are the only one that keeps hinting that there is something wrong about me giving away fakes fully disclosed and marked as fakes. No one else gives a sh*t. David Lieberman _CineMasterpieces.com_ (http://www.cinemasterpieces.com/) | 15721 N. Greenway Hayden Loop, Suite 105 -- Scottsdale, Az 85260 Vintage Original Movie Posters | 602 309 0500 | Office/Gallery Open By Appt. Only. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND Posters
Rich with the minty whites, the trail is too muddied to get any solvable crimes however with the Forgeries, there is apparently a direct trail to be followed that leads to very specific people some of the reasons that this has not yet become common knowledge i sthat there are several people who have been defrauded in high numbers in excess of $100,000 and each will no doubt have to file a lawsuit - in addition to the one already filed - to hopefully be able to recoup their losses The sad part is that the fraud could only be perpetrated with the assistance of a very talented linenbacker/restorer, who is also on the radar but cannot be named for the reasons that Grey and Sean mentioned all of the items reportedly found are heavily restored, which means the originator of the scam intended to defraud and because much of the material that has been forged is uncommon and many collectors and dealers have never had many of these posters due to rarity, and because they are such good forgeries, unless you have comparative material - there is no way for them to be side by side in all situations with an original - thereby creating a difficulty in unmasking the fraud as Sean indicates, the scam has possibly been going on for 2 years or possibly longer and the material is already ingrained in the hobby. some collections that these pieces may be in may not be discovered for years unfortunately and there is the real danger - that down the road there will be a second round of unknowing fraud when these collections go to market. there is also a danger that pieces have been traded outside the hobby in an arena that one o fthe alleged fraudsters circulates in and does business big negative: now, linenbacked and restored pieces - real or not- become suspect and that will hurt the prices of those items potentially due to the need of a third party to authenticate them the reverse of that is that unrestored pieces will probably command a premium as collectors of this material will be able to buy them with the security of their authenticity LAMP is going to be sending out their newsletter with more info and I suggest all members read it for more information that I am not at liberty to reveal. The situation is fluid (meaning developments keep happening) and hopefully more detailed info will become available for release but please everyone, stay calm about the issue until the full depth of the scandal can be made public and be careful when you buy and examine closely any potential purchases. Some of the most savvy and knowledgeable in the hobby have been cheated which bespeaks of the quality of the fraud to make another connection: the Frankenstein title card that was listed as a stolen item was allegedly used as trade with one of the aforementioned ebay sellers in Sean's post for which the previous owner was given a forgery of a Raven 1/2 sheet If someone wants to trade or sell you a $50,000 item for a $30,000 item, alarm bells should ring warning you that something is not right. This is one of the ways so much material was put out into the market also, as Sean mentioned, it has become apparent that even 1950s material of low dollar value (in the hundreds) is also part of the fraud, or part of a parallel fraud from other quarters that is possibly not even connected the Universal horror fraud. We don't know Clearly this is a developing issue and it will take months or possibly years to get to the root through civil and criminal redress If a key player decides to turn on his co-conspirators to save his own ass as the FBI comes down on them, a fuller picture may come into view oh Michael.. the FBI is involved because some of this alleged fraud crosses state lines Rich At 11:55 AM 8/27/2009, Richard Evans wrote: Is there any particular reason why legal action is being taken with these, while, (to my knowledge anyway) there was no similar action with the minty whites? Rich On 27 Aug 2009, at 17:58, Sean Linkenback wrote: As Grey pointed out, there are at least three eBay sellers who have allegedly sold fake posters/lobbycards: JerseyProductions Filmfootage UniversalHorrorart The legal questions are did they knowingly participate in their creation and/or distribution, or did they come about ownership of the material unknowingly. This has yet to be determined by a court of law. And yes at least one civil suit was filed last month, with more forthcoming, and the FBI is currently aware and investigating this issue. I have been assisting in tracking down people who may have purchased horror material from these people and helping to determine if parties have indeed purchased fakes or not. As Grey stated, all sizes from lobby cards to at least one copy of a three-sheet have been forged (also including window cards which he forgot to mention). They were all done from Horror material from original 1931 Dracula pieces to 1950s
Re: [MOPO] Fake star wars posters
You sell these SW fakes on ebay--i have seen them there. and, by the way, others do give a sh*t. i guess you ignore those posts and people, as well. i would never have known about it, had i not read the various posts over the last couple of years, from concerned collectors and buyers. On Aug 27, 2009, at 12:55 PM, dli...@aol.com wrote: hey potokar when people are complaining about the fakes.they are not referring to the marked ones I gave away/sold. you are the only one that keeps hinting that there is something wrong about me giving away fakes fully disclosed and marked as fakes. No one else gives a sh*t. David Lieberman CineMasterpieces.com | 15721 N. Greenway Hayden Loop, Suite 105 -- Scottsdale, Az 85260 Vintage Original Movie Posters | 602 309 0500 | Office/Gallery Open By Appt. Only. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fake star wars posters
In defense of Jeff, the Star Wars one sheets never seemed at all peculiar to me--I have at least 25 put away in a tube myself. It's all the OTHER rolled one sheets from the 60's and early 70's that appeared. How could the same person come up with a ROLLED Cool Hand Luke plus rolled posters from lots of other titles from an era when they didn't roll posters? David L. certainly leads a charmed life when it comes to finding impossible to find posters. Rick Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards
There are also going to be some honest dealers out there who don't know about this and who have purchased these fakes for resale and are going to go about reselling this junk thinking they are original. Better to get this out there. FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce Hershenson Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 3:52 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards Thank you, thank you, thank you for FINALLY making this public. I have known of this for several months now, but EVERYONE who had told me details has sworn me to secrecy. I want to know who made these fakes, who sold them, who re-sold them, what auctions auctioned any, and MOST importantly, see a list of titles and sizes known to have been faked. I understand wanting to build a case and wanting to recovery stolen money, but it is likely that new people are being fleeced every day this has gone unreported. For the record, I don't believe I sold even ONE of these fakes, and I certainly never bought any, so I have no dog in this race. I hope that those who do are sure to do all they can to help those who were victimized (and not wait for them to discover it on their own) or this is likely to cripple our hobby. Bruce On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Joe Burtis jbur...@mpagallery.com wrote: Hi There, In the last few weeks I have been hearing from several collectors about a scam involving reproduction horror lobby cards, and possibly posters as well. These have been sold to unsuspecting collectors privately and through auction. I'm amazed that no one has spoken out about this. It would seem like those responsible can continue to fleece collectors if it's not discussed in forums such as this. Does anyone have any information? Best, Joe Burtis Please visit our website: www.mpagallery.com http://www.mpagallery.com/ 90 Oak St. E. Rutherford, NJ 07073 201-635-1444 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com http://www.filmfan.com/ ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND Posters
knowledge of what is going on (fakes?making distribution into the inventories of sellers--EVEN UNKNOWINGLY) will ultimately lead to novice buyers being afraid to buy--even from reputable dealers. i encourage the dissemination of public warnings.but this problem of fakes aint good for the hobby! this is like people not buying Gucci bags on ebay.? Only the trained eye would know if it is a fake. BUT-YEScontinue to publicize this and reprot fraud to the appropriate authorities.? I doubt if ebay would remove listing due to this isses, and since the bidders are anonymous, you know the rest michael Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters
The underlying cause of this upsurge in fakes has to be the invention of some very good photographic processes. Technology is catching up with us. My restorer has shown me some extremely good photographs that once they are linenbacked are very difficult to tell as fake. The photography is chillingly perfect. Looking at these reproductions certainly sent a chill up my spine. Its going to be harder and harder to establish the provenance of extremely rare pieces once they are linenbacked. The old eyeball method is quickly becoming obsolete. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Fake star wars posters
yes.I gave them away and I sell them on ebay...FULLY DESCRIBED AS FAKES/BOOTLEGSand fully marked as such. I do not try to deceive anyone. and again...no one seems to give a sh*t but you as you just can't seem to let it go. I don't think I'd be on the cover of Movie Collector's World if I was such a bad guy. David Lieberman _CineMasterpieces.com_ (http://www.cinemasterpieces.com/) | 15721 N. Greenway Hayden Loop, Suite 105 -- Scottsdale, Az 85260 Vintage Original Movie Posters | 602 309 0500 | Office/Gallery Open By Appt. Only. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Fake star wars posters
You keep referring to me as the only one who cares.. i have now TWICE commented on all the other posts that i have read, regarding this issue. i did not create or dream it up. funny how you dont comment and ignore that part of my posts... re: many others wrote about it first.. that is how i became aware. what do you say to all of those concerned individuals who first brought it to light? i respectfully ask you, now a THIRD time. and who said you were bad? Not I. On Aug 27, 2009, at 1:10 PM, dli...@aol.com wrote: yes.I gave them away and I sell them on ebay...FULLY DESCRIBED AS FAKES/BOOTLEGSand fully marked as such. I do not try to deceive anyone. and again...no one seems to give a sh*t but you as you just can't seem to let it go. I don't think I'd be on the cover of Movie Collector's World if I was such a bad guy. David Lieberman CineMasterpieces.com | 15721 N. Greenway Hayden Loop, Suite 105 -- Scottsdale, Az 85260 Vintage Original Movie Posters | 602 309 0500 | Office/Gallery Open By Appt. Only. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Fake star wars posters
what other posts? jeannie from 4 years ago? and a few other no names in addition to you? gimme a break. more than 9 out of 10 people who have commented think it was and is still a great idea. and the approximately 200 collectors and dealers who are now more knowledgeable on the subject because they got one from me all think it is a great idea. so yesyou are the only one who can't seem to let it go and keeps inferring that there is something wrong with doing it. again...nobody else gives a sh*t. Its old news...but you just like to be a thorn as that is your way. just let it go man. David Lieberman _CineMasterpieces.com_ (http://www.cinemasterpieces.com/) | 15721 N. Greenway Hayden Loop, Suite 105 -- Scottsdale, Az 85260 Vintage Original Movie Posters | 602 309 0500 | Office/Gallery Open By Appt. Only. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] TRUE Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND Posters
ALL MOPOs, It is true...people are selling high-end fake posters and lobby cards. A very good friend and most knowledgable big time poster collector recently purchased one of the most expensive Horror one sheet US poster available and it is a fake. Legal actions are being taken against the seller. Philipp -Original Message- From: Michael B dialmbb...@aol.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2009 1:09 pm Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND Posters knowledge of what is going on (fakes making distribution into the inventories of sellers--EVEN UNKNOWINGLY) will ultimately lead to novice buyers being afraid to buy--even from reputable dealers. i encourage the dissemination of public warnings.but this problem of fakes aint good for the hobby! this is like people not buying Gucci bags on ebay. Only the trained eye would know if it is a fake. BUT-YEScontinue to publicize this and reprot fraud to the appropriate authorities. I doubt if ebay would remove listing due to this isses, and since the bidders are anonymous, you know the rest michael Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Fake star wars posters
A masterful smokescreen Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Fake star wars posters
jeannie and OTHER NO NAMES in addition to me? this seems to be a pattern of response (the insults start to fly) i continue to see with a small number of sellers here, when challenged-- and the challenge was not an attack but an important question. i guess it comes down to the cant teach an old dog new tricks theory and all that. have a great day! On Aug 27, 2009, at 1:25 PM, dli...@aol.com wrote: jeannie from 4 years ago? and a few other no names in addition to you? gimme a break. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] TRUE Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND Posters
To all - I'm getting a little paranoid about this. It seems to me we need to protect one another from this charade. It does us and the hobby little good if we're kept in the dark until legal action is taken or ended. I would like to know the titles of these high end posters and the names of the people who allegedly sold them to protect myself from making a mistake or maybe correcting one that has already been made. Would you not tell a friend to stay away from a bad car dealer or other business know they were thieves? Someone needs to bring this to light now. By the way... I think if you use the word allegedly you can get away with an awful lot. I see it and hear it on radio and tv all the time. Glenn T. - Original Message - From: kainb...@aol.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] TRUE Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND Posters ALL MOPOs, It is true...people are selling high-end fake posters and lobby cards. A very good friend and most knowledgable big time poster collector recently purchased one of the most expensive Horror one sheet US poster available and it is a fake. Legal actions are being taken against the seller. Philipp -Original Message- From: Michael B dialmbb...@aol.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2009 1:09 pm Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND Posters knowledge of what is going on (fakes making distribution into the inventories of sellers--EVEN UNKNOWINGLY) will ultimately lead to novice buyers being afraid to buy--even from reputable dealers. i encourage the dissemination of public warnings.but this problem of fakes aint good for the hobby! this is like people not buying Gucci bags on ebay. Only the trained eye would know if it is a fake. BUT-YEScontinue to publicize this and reprot fraud to the appropriate authorities. I doubt if ebay would remove listing due to this isses, and since the bidders are anonymous, you know the rest michael Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Fake star wars posters
even is a seller states that he is selling a fake or a repro that looks damn good and convincing as real does?GREAT INJURY TO THE HOBBY, because the buyer, if a bad person, lists it on ebay as an original.? his 15.00 cost can yield him hundreds? should the original seller be considered an innocent bystander?? michael -Original Message- From: rixpost...@aol.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:32 pm Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fake star wars posters ? ? ?? A masterful smokescreen Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND Posters
*What worries me is that one must have quite a bit of knowledge in Conservation and Restoration to be able to recreate these old Universal Horror LC and posters. I would ate to find out that someone went over to the dark side. dario. * Michael B wrote: knowledge of what is going on (fakes making distribution into the inventories of sellers--EVEN UNKNOWINGLY) will ultimately lead to novice buyers being afraid to buy--even from reputable dealers. i encourage the dissemination of public warnings.but this problem of fakes aint good for the hobby! this is like people not buying Gucci bags on ebay. Only the trained eye would know if it is a fake. BUT-YEScontinue to publicize this and reprot fraud to the appropriate authorities. I doubt if ebay would remove listing due to this isses, and since the bidders are anonymous, you know the rest michael Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND Posters
Sadly, it *DID* happen Dario. Soon some names will come out, but there needs to be full disclosure. Bruce On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Dario Casadei m...@vintagemovieart.cawrote: *What worries me is that one must have quite a bit of knowledge in Conservation and Restoration to be able to recreate these old Universal Horror LC and posters. I would hate to find out that someone went over to the dark side. dario. * Michael B wrote: knowledge of what is going on (fakes making distribution into the inventories of sellers--EVEN UNKNOWINGLY) will ultimately lead to novice buyers being afraid to buy--even from reputable dealers. i encourage the dissemination of public warnings.but this problem of fakes aint good for the hobby! this is like people not buying Gucci bags on ebay. Only the trained eye would know if it is a fake. BUT-YEScontinue to publicize this and reprot fraud to the appropriate authorities. I doubt if ebay would remove listing due to this isses, and since the bidders are anonymous, you know the rest michael Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Fake star wars posters
look, dave, another concerned NO NAME is commenting in a way similar to me, with regard to selling fakes, KNOWINGLY or not. this reply came in 4 minutes ago, NOT 4 years ago. cheers. On Aug 27, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Michael B wrote: even is a seller states that he is selling a fake or a repro that looks damn good and convincing as real does GREAT INJURY TO THE HOBBY, because the buyer, if a bad person, lists it on ebay as an original. his 15.00 cost can yield him hundreds should the original seller be considered an innocent bystander? michael -Original Message- From: rixpost...@aol.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:32 pm Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fake star wars posters A masterful smokescreen Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters
i suppose that if you buy an item from a reputable seller, and we know who they are, and use american express (gold or better) to pay, you can?return an item if you suspect it is a fake (and act civilly to the seller). michael Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters
Combine those technological advances with the seemingly bottomless human capacity for greed and falsity and, bingo!, you've got the perfect shitstorm . I'm honestly surprised this didn't happen long before this. I'm glad that alarm bells are being raised at last, and I'll be interested, both as a long-time collector and a lifelong lover of scandal, to see who is involved. I feel bad for anyone who was hoodwinked on this one, but generally if something seems too good to be true..well, you know the rest. On a selfish note, I'm very happy that my financial situation has forced me to be highly parsimonious with my poster purchases. If I'd just picked up a one sheet from Dracula's Daughter , I'd be sweating even more than I am right now. (It's 103 degrees here today.) I'd be very interested to hear Todd Feiertag's reaction to all this. Do you guys really think there will be future, and possibly permanent, financial fallout from this situation for the hobby? Greg Douglass Cory Glaberson wrote: The underlying cause of this upsurge in fakes has to be the invention of some very good photographic processes. Technology is catching up with us. My restorer has shown me some extremely good photographs that once they are linenbacked are very difficult to tell as fake. The photography is chillingly perfect. Looking at these reproductions certainly sent a chill up my spine. Its going to be harder and harder to establish the provenance of extremely rare pieces once they are linenbacked. The old eyeball method is quickly becoming obsolete. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Fake star wars posters
You know, we have a magician friend who does this with some of the magic posters. He signs them all on the bottom diagonally from poster to border and dates them. He also sells them on his site. We have 2 of them hanging. I just don't see the problem if everyone knows what's up. They're done well on decent paper I haven't noticed ANY magic collectors to give a hoot about this. None. I don't care one way of the other, as long as there is no deception. Just wanted to put that out there... Andrea On Aug 27, 2009, at 4:10 PM, David Lieberman wrote: yes.I gave them away and I sell them on ebay...FULLY DESCRIBED AS FAKES/BOOTLEGSand fully marked as such. I do not try to deceive anyone. and again...no one seems to give a sh*t but you as you just can't seem to let it go. I don't think I'd be on the cover of Movie Collector's World if I was such a bad guy. David Lieberman CineMasterpieces.com | 15721 N. Greenway Hayden Loop, Suite 105 -- Scottsdale, Az 85260 Vintage Original Movie Posters | 602 309 0500 | Office/Gallery Open By Appt. Only. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters
Greg - How can there not be a fallout? When it's hard to tell a fake, everything becomes suspect. How can there be 100 percent certainty once it's out there that incredibly real forgeries are out there. Every poster over a certain price will have to go through some sort of vetting process. I've heard it said that there was so much fake US money floating around that if finally prompted the government to start redesigning the bills after all these years. This is why I urge those who know what's going on to get it out there NOW and not later. It's ridiculous not to know who destroying the hobby. It's a sin of omission to know something and not share it when it could hurt so many people. I wanted to help but I thought I would wait and see if anyone else would first. Glenn T. - Original Message - From: Greg To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters Combine those technological advances with the seemingly bottomless human capacity for greed and falsity and, bingo!, you've got the perfect shitstorm . I'm honestly surprised this didn't happen long before this. I'm glad that alarm bells are being raised at last, and I'll be interested, both as a long-time collector and a lifelong lover of scandal, to see who is involved. I feel bad for anyone who was hoodwinked on this one, but generally if something seems too good to be true..well, you know the rest. On a selfish note, I'm very happy that my financial situation has forced me to be highly parsimonious with my poster purchases. If I'd just picked up a one sheet from Dracula's Daughter , I'd be sweating even more than I am right now. (It's 103 degrees here today.) I'd be very interested to hear Todd Feiertag's reaction to all this. Do you guys really think there will be future, and possibly permanent, financial fallout from this situation for the hobby? Greg Douglass Cory Glaberson wrote: The underlying cause of this upsurge in fakes has to be the invention of some very good photographic processes. Technology is catching up with us. My restorer has shown me some extremely good photographs that once they are linenbacked are very difficult to tell as fake. The photography is chillingly perfect. Looking at these reproductions certainly sent a chill up my spine. Its going to be harder and harder to establish the provenance of extremely rare pieces once they are linenbacked. The old eyeball method is quickly becoming obsolete. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters
When it's hard to tell a fake, everything becomes suspect. that is the fallout Glenn Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters
Then, what you're saying, is, it's already upon us. Time to get out of the hobby. GT - Original Message - From: Richard Halegua Comic Art To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters When it's hard to tell a fake, everything becomes suspect. that is the fallout Glenn Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters
it's upon us, but getting out of the hobby is alarmist premature At 02:10 PM 8/27/2009, Glenn Taranto wrote: Then, what you're saying, is, it's already upon us. Time to get out of the hobby. GT - Original Message - From: mailto:sa...@comic-art.comRichard Halegua Comic Art To: mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUMoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters When it's hard to tell a fake, everything becomes suspect. that is the fallout Glenn Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at http://www.filmfan.comwww.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: mailto:lists...@listserv.american.edulists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] TRUE Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND Posters
Glenn, Please re-read my earlier post from today where I named three sellers who have allegedly sold some of the fakes, and named the general time-frame/titles to which they belong. _ From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Glenn Taranto I would like to know the titles of these high end posters and the names of the people who allegedly sold them to protect myself from making a mistake or maybe correcting one that has already been made. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] SALE SALE SALE SALE SALE SALE SALE SALE SALE SALE SALE SALE SALE SALE SALE SALE
you guys are scaring me. FOR SALE.MY ENTIRE COLLECTION $49.99* ??? *subject to mandatory handling fee ($150,000 plus)??? - LOL michael it's upon us, but getting out of the hobby is alarmist premature At 02:10 PM 8/27/2009, Glenn Taranto wrote: Then, what you're saying, is, it's already upon us. ? Time to get out of the hobby. ? GT - Original Message - From: Richard Halegua Comic Art To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters ?When it's hard to tell a fake, everything becomes suspect. -Original Message- From: Richard Halegua Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:24 pm Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters it's upon us, but getting out of the hobby is alarmist premature At 02:10 PM 8/27/2009, Glenn Taranto wrote: Then, what you're saying, is, it's already upon us. ? Time to get out of the hobby. ? GT - Original Message - From: Richard Halegua Comic Art To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters ?When it's hard to tell a fake, everything becomes suspect. that is the fallout Glenn Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] TRUE Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND Posters
Sean - I read your earlier post with great interest. But the selling name does not reflect the actual sellers. And if they have these items who is to say others don't. This is why real names and titles should be outed as it were. Best - Glenn - Original Message - From: Sean Linkenback To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] TRUE Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND Posters Glenn, Please re-read my earlier post from today where I named three sellers who have allegedly sold some of the fakes, and named the general time-frame/titles to which they belong. -- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Glenn Taranto I would like to know the titles of these high end posters and the names of the people who allegedly sold them to protect myself from making a mistake or maybe correcting one that has already been made. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] SALE SALE SALE SALE SALE SALE SALE SALE SALE SALE SALE SALE SALE SALE SALE SALE
does this include the ALL ABOUT EVE insert, as well? LOL On Aug 27, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Michael B wrote: you guys are scaring me. FOR SALE.MY ENTIRE COLLECTION $49.99* *subject to mandatory handling fee ($150,000 plus)- LOL michael it's upon us, but getting out of the hobby is alarmist premature At 02:10 PM 8/27/2009, Glenn Taranto wrote: Then, what you're saying, is, it's already upon us. Time to get out of the hobby. GT - Original Message - From: Richard Halegua Comic Art To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters When it's hard to tell a fake, everything becomes suspect. -Original Message- From: Richard Halegua Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:24 pm Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters it's upon us, but getting out of the hobby is alarmist premature At 02:10 PM 8/27/2009, Glenn Taranto wrote: Then, what you're saying, is, it's already upon us. Time to get out of the hobby. GT - Original Message - From: Richard Halegua Comic Art To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters When it's hard to tell a fake, everything becomes suspect. that is the fallout Glenn Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND Posters
*Ouch!! I hear you, Bruce. Things are moving quickly and I heard something, but I am sworn to silence until made public. Sincerely, dario. * Bruce Hershenson wrote: Sadly, it *DID* happen Dario. Soon some names will come out, but there needs to be full disclosure. Bruce On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Dario Casadei m...@vintagemovieart.ca mailto:m...@vintagemovieart.ca wrote: *What worries me is that one must have quite a bit of knowledge in Conservation and Restoration to be able to recreate these old Universal Horror LC and posters. I would hate to find out that someone went over to the dark side. dario. * Michael B wrote: knowledge of what is going on (fakes making distribution into the inventories of sellers--EVEN UNKNOWINGLY) will ultimately lead to novice buyers being afraid to buy--even from reputable dealers. i encourage the dissemination of public warnings.but this problem of fakes aint good for the hobby! this is like people not buying Gucci bags on ebay. Only the trained eye would know if it is a fake. BUT-YEScontinue to publicize this and reprot fraud to the appropriate authorities. I doubt if ebay would remove listing due to this isses, and since the bidders are anonymous, you know the rest michael Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com http://www.filmfan.com/ ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu mailto:lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com http://www.filmfan.com/ ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu mailto:lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters
Look, this is limited at this time to high end horror material, only, that I am aware of! Sean mentions sci-fi, but I am unaware of that as have not seen any of that material nor heard of it being sold. I believe I was the first to uncover this scam independently, about three months ago when I was consigned a Dracula title card reproduction pretty skillfully done. I knew from handling it immediately that there was something wrong with the card and as I examined it, became very aware that it was a forgery. I contacted the consignor who then contacted the person he bought it from, etc. Since that time I have had at least a 15 to 20 items sent to me to examine which I have found to be forgeries. Again, all from high end horror titles. This includes one sheets, lobbies, window cards, inserts and half sheets. Is there reason to be afraid of forgeries running rampant in the hobby? Not at all. This has been halted in its tracks at this time and the real problem now is determining who bought these and where they are. I feel sure a number will end up at my door at some point and I will be the one to have to break the bad news. Sean has mentioned in his post the only people at this time that we are aware of that have allegedly sold these. From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Glenn Taranto Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:05 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters Greg - How can there not be a fallout? When it's hard to tell a fake, everything becomes suspect. How can there be 100 percent certainty once it's out there that incredibly real forgeries are out there. Every poster over a certain price will have to go through some sort of vetting process. I've heard it said that there was so much fake US money floating around that if finally prompted the government to start redesigning the bills after all these years. This is why I urge those who know what's going on to get it out there NOW and not later. It's ridiculous not to know who destroying the hobby. It's a sin of omission to know something and not share it when it could hurt so many people. I wanted to help but I thought I would wait and see if anyone else would first. Glenn T. - Original Message - From: Gregmailto:pickmeis...@cox.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUmailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters Combine those technological advances with the seemingly bottomless human capacity for greed and falsity and, bingo!, you've got the perfect shitstorm . I'm honestly surprised this didn't happen long before this. I'm glad that alarm bells are being raised at last, and I'll be interested, both as a long-time collector and a lifelong lover of scandal, to see who is involved. I feel bad for anyone who was hoodwinked on this one, but generally if something seems too good to be true..well, you know the rest. On a selfish note, I'm very happy that my financial situation has forced me to be highly parsimonious with my poster purchases. If I'd just picked up a one sheet from Dracula's Daughter , I'd be sweating even more than I am right now. (It's 103 degrees here today.) I'd be very interested to hear Todd Feiertag's reaction to all this. Do you guys really think there will be future, and possibly permanent, financial fallout from this situation for the hobby? Greg Douglass Cory Glaberson wrote: The underlying cause of this upsurge in fakes has to be the invention of some very good photographic processes. Technology is catching up with us. My restorer has shown me some extremely good photographs that once they are linenbacked are very difficult to tell as fake. The photography is chillingly perfect. Looking at these reproductions certainly sent a chill up my spine. Its going to be harder and harder to establish the provenance of extremely rare pieces once they are linenbacked. The old eyeball method is quickly becoming obsolete. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.comhttp://www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edumailto:lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.comhttp://www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edumailto:lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo
Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters
I seem to recall Sean or perhaps another on the group uncovering Alien LC reprints a couple months back. Not vintage horror, but I remember them being fairly obvious to spot once you knew what to look for. Are these part of the same situation that is being discussed now? Myles From: Smith, Grey - 1367 gre...@ha.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:39:32 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters Look, this is limited at this time to high end horror material, only, that I am aware of! Sean mentions sci-fi, but I am unaware of that as have not seen any of that material nor heard of it being sold. I believe I was the first to uncover this scam independently, about three months ago when I was consigned a Dracula title card reproduction pretty skillfully done. I knew from handling it immediately that there was something wrong with the card and as I examined it, became very aware that it was a forgery. I contacted the consignor who then contacted the person he bought it from, etc. Since that time I have had at least a 15 to 20 items sent to me to examine which I have found to be forgeries. Again, all from high end horror titles. This includes one sheets, lobbies, window cards, inserts and half sheets. Is there reason to be afraid of forgeries running rampant in the hobby? Not at all. This has been halted in its tracks at this time and the real problem now is determining who bought these and where they are. I feel sure a number will end up at my door at some point and I will be the one to have to break the bad news. Sean has mentioned in his post the only people at this time that we are aware of that have allegedly sold these. From:MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Glenn Taranto Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:05 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters Greg - How can there not be a fallout? When it's hard to tell a fake, everything becomes suspect. How can there be 100 percent certainty once it's out there that incredibly real forgeries are out there. Every poster over a certain price will have to go through some sort of vetting process. I've heard it said that there was so much fake US money floating around that if finally prompted the government to start redesigning the bills after all these years. This is why I urge those who know what's going on to get it out there NOW and not later. It's ridiculous not to know who destroying the hobby. It's a sin of omission to know something and not share it when it could hurt so many people. I wanted to help but I thought I would wait and see if anyone else would first. Glenn T. - Original Message - From:Greg To:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent:Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:56 PM Subject:Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters Combine those technological advances with the seemingly bottomless human capacity for greed and falsity and, bingo!, you've got the perfect shitstorm . I'm honestly surprised this didn't happen long before this. I'm glad that alarm bells are being raised at last, and I'll be interested, both as a long-time collector and a lifelong lover of scandal, to see who is involved. I feel bad for anyone who was hoodwinked on this one, but generally if something seems too good to be true..well, you know the rest. On a selfish note, I'm very happy that my financial situation has forced me to be highly parsimonious with my poster purchases. If I'd just picked up a one sheet from Dracula's Daughter , I'd be sweating even more than I am right now. (It's 103 degrees here today.) I'd be very interested to hear Todd Feiertag's reaction to all this. Do you guys really think there will be future, and possibly permanent, financial fallout from this situation for the hobby? Greg Douglass Cory Glaberson wrote: The underlying cause of this upsurge in fakes has to be the invention of some very good photographic processes. Technology is catching up with us. My restorer has shown me some extremely good photographs that once they are linenbacked are very difficult to tell as fake. The photography is chillingly perfect. Looking at these reproductions certainly sent a chill up my spine. Its going to be harder and harder to establish the provenance of extremely rare pieces once they are linenbacked. The old eyeball method is quickly becoming obsolete. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at
Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters
good observation and?informative post Grey,??It is?good that you?point out that the known problem is limited to high end horror.? FEW COLLECTORS BUY THIS.and that group are among the most sophiticated collectors.? (i do not collect horror or sci-fi.? tonite i hope to win?an obscure insert?and on tues a one sheet---each for less than 100.) michael -Original Message- From: Smith, Grey - 1367 gre...@ha.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:39 pm Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters Look, this is limited at this time to high end horror material, only, that I am aware of! Sean mentions sci-fi, but I am unaware of that as have not seen any of that material nor heard of it being sold. I believe I was the first to uncover this scam independently, about three months ago when I was consigned a Dracula title card reproduction pretty skillfully done. I knew from handling it immediately that there was something wrong with the card and as I examined it, became very aware that it was a forgery. I contacted the consignor who then contacted the person he bought it from, etc. Since that time I have had at least a 15 to 20 items sent to me to examine which I have found to be forgeries. Again, all from high end horror titles. This includes one sheets, lobbies, window cards, inserts and half sheets. Is there reason to be afraid of forgeries running rampant in the hobby? Not at all. This has been halted in its tracks at this time and the real problem now is determining who bought these and where they are. I feel sure a number will end up at my door at some point and I will be the one to have to break the bad news. Sean has mentioned in his post the only people at this time that we are aware of that have allegedly sold these. ? ? From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Glenn Taranto Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:05 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters ? Greg - ? How can there not be a fallout?? When it's hard to tell a fake, everything becomes suspect. How can there be 100 percent certainty once it's out there that incredibly real forgeries are out there. Every poster?over a certain price?will have to go through some sort of vetting process. ? I've heard it said that there was so much fake US money floating around that if finally prompted the government to start redesigning the bills after all these years. ? This is why I urge those who know what's going on to get it out there NOW and not later. It's ridiculous not to know who destroying the hobby. ? It's a sin of omission to know something and not share it when it could hurt so many people. ? I wanted to help but I thought I would wait and see if anyone else would first. ? Glenn T. - Original Message - From: Greg To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters ? Combine those technological advances with the seemingly bottomless human capacity for greed and falsity and, bingo!, you've got the perfect shitstorm . I'm honestly surprised this didn't happen long before this. I'm glad that alarm bells are being raised at last, and I'll be interested, both as a long-time collector and a lifelong lover of scandal, to see who is involved. I feel bad for anyone who was hoodwinked on this one, but generally if something seems too good to be true..well, you know the rest. On a selfish note, I'm very happy that my financial situation has forced me to be highly parsimonious with my poster purchases. If I'd just picked up a one sheet from Dracula's Daughter , I'd be sweating even more than I am right now. (It's 103 degrees here today.) I'd be very interested to hear Todd Feiertag's reaction to all this. Do you guys really think there will be future, and possibly permanent,? financial fallout from this situation for the hobby? Greg Douglass Cory Glaberson wrote: The underlying cause of this upsurge in fakes has to be the invention of some very good photographic processes. Technology is catching up with us. My restorer has shown me some extremely good photographs that once they are linenbacked are very difficult to tell as fake. The photography is chillingly perfect. ? Looking at these reproductions certainly sent a chill up my spine. Its going to be harder and harder to establish the provenance of extremely rare pieces once they are linenbacked. The old eyeball method is quickly becoming obsolete. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your
Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters
It has been upon us for many years in one form or another. The minute poster values began to escalate in the mid to late 80's, the scoundrels began coming out of the woodwork. For years a certain linenbacker was selling posters to dealers and collectors all over California that were the stolen or missing property of his customers. In fact, my own posters were left as collateral for a loan and it took me almost two years to track them down and get some of them back. I incurred virtually no help from several fellow collectors and dealers who knew what was going on. They didn't want to get involved. I spent hundreds of hours, months and years of my time making sure that person was out of business. Unfortuntely, he is still in business, just under the table, working for people that know his history, know that he defrauded countless collectors, but look the other way because they need his artistic ability. I have been in this hobby for 37 years now. This fiasco is just the tip of the greed iceberg. Unfortunately it effects us all, whether collector, dealer or linenbacker. It takes a talented restorer to do this type of copy work and an even more talented restorer to discover it. I think you will find these fakes are going to be far more pervasive in the hobby than first thought. It involves a lot of money and that is why it is getting this kind of attention, but it takes more than one person to make something of this scale happen. Time will tell. Stay tuned!! Sue www.hollywoodposterframes.com Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:24:35 -0700 From: sa...@comic-art.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU it's upon us, but getting out of the hobby is alarmist premature At 02:10 PM 8/27/2009, Glenn Taranto wrote: Then, what you're saying, is, it's already upon us. Time to get out of the hobby. GT - Original Message - From: Richard Halegua Comic Art To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters When it's hard to tell a fake, everything becomes suspect. that is the fallout Glenn Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND Posters
Dario, One would think that they also have the original posters to copy from - that sounds like super Dark Side to me - but it does shorten the list of suspects. Simon From: Dario Casadei To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND Posters What worries me is that one must have quite a bit of knowledge in Conservation and Restoration to be able to recreate these old Universal Horror LC and posters. I would ate to find out that someone went over to the dark side. dario. Michael B wrote: knowledge of what is going on (fakes making distribution into the inventories of sellers--EVEN UNKNOWINGLY) will ultimately lead to novice buyers being afraid to buy--even from reputable dealers. i encourage the dissemination of public warnings.but this problem of fakes aint good for the hobby! this is like people not buying Gucci bags on ebay. Only the trained eye would know if it is a fake. BUT-YEScontinue to publicize this and reprot fraud to the appropriate authorities. I doubt if ebay would remove listing due to this isses, and since the bidders are anonymous, you know the rest michael Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] Almost to the Day
As a little diversion, but related to the Universal horror thread, by its very nature.. almost to the day-- 78 years ago, this past Monday, production began on FRANKENSTEIN: On Monday, August 24, 1931, actors Colin Clive and Dwight Frye dig up a fresh corpse on the cemetery set. Frankenstein — fated to become the most famous horror film of all time — begins shooting, under the direction of James Whale. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND Posters
No so at all, some of the images I could prove were stolen from my website. From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Simon Oram Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:01 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND Posters Dario, One would think that they also have the original posters to copy from - that sounds like super Dark Side to me - but it does shorten the list of suspects. Simon From: Dario Casadeimailto:m...@vintagemovieart.ca To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUmailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fake Horror Lobby Cards AND Posters What worries me is that one must have quite a bit of knowledge in Conservation and Restoration to be able to recreate these old Universal Horror LC and posters. I would ate to find out that someone went over to the dark side. dario. Michael B wrote: knowledge of what is going on (fakes making distribution into the inventories of sellers--EVEN UNKNOWINGLY) will ultimately lead to novice buyers being afraid to buy--even from reputable dealers. i encourage the dissemination of public warnings.but this problem of fakes aint good for the hobby! this is like people not buying Gucci bags on ebay. Only the trained eye would know if it is a fake. BUT-YEScontinue to publicize this and reprot fraud to the appropriate authorities. I doubt if ebay would remove listing due to this isses, and since the bidders are anonymous, you know the rest michael Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.comhttp://www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edumailto:lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Fake star wars posters
No one said he was referring to you specifically ... he was speaking in general.. and how the selling of this material, BY ANYONE, can damage the hobby. On Aug 27, 2009, at 3:31 PM, dli...@aol.com wrote: he is not really referring to me. do the ones I'm selling look real and convincing with the FAKE stamps on the back and the hair on luke's belt? No, of course they don't. only a complete and total idiot or a blind person who cannot see the this is not an original movie poster stamped on the back of the ones I sell, and who cannot see the hair on luke's belt, would confuse them as original. and to answer his question should the original seller be considered an innocent bystander? in my case.yes, absolutely! would you hold a gun store owner responsible for murder when he sells a gun legally to someone who then goes and kills someone? even is a seller states that he is selling a fake or a repro that looks damn good and convincing as real does GREAT INJURY TO THE HOBBY, because the buyer, if a bad person, lists it on ebay as an original. his 15.00 cost can yield him hundreds should the original seller be considered an innocent bystander? David Lieberman CineMasterpieces.com | 15721 N. Greenway Hayden Loop, Suite 105 -- Scottsdale, Az 85260 Vintage Original Movie Posters | 602 309 0500 | Office/Gallery Open By Appt. Only. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] fAKES
Year after year we hear, were not going to mention names unless proven Dealers who sell fakes either on purpose or mistake should be liable. If they do not know their material that they are selling, than they SHOULD NOT BE SELLING! Linen backers on the dark side should be crucified! Members who know who these people are, and don't inform, are just as guilty This list is to open up to the members about movie posters. Informing the group about known fakes and dealers (not just dealers outside the group), but also the shitty ones inside the group, will only improve the movie poster world not bring it down. Doug Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] Fake star wars posters POKOTAR
potokar thinks you were referring to me selling clearly identifiable fakes. ? we stamp the back of them this is not an original movie poster in several places. ? only a total idiot or blind person would confuse them as original. ? please tell me/him you were not referring to me in your post. ? NONE OF MY POSTS ON THIS SUBJECT HAVE BEEN DIRECTED TO YOU? ANYONE ELSE.? IN FACT, I HAVE NOT?CONSIDERED WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN SELLING IN ANY OF MY POSTS. I HAVE MERELY RAISED QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SUBJECT, AND THE HOBBY. NOW--? I have been become increasingly annoyed by j. potokar's negativity on MOPO.? I used to try and appease him.? But he has attacked me publicly and sarcastically more than once, so i now usually ignore his comments.? This is despite helping him (privately) in many emails, because i envision a lonely, angry person. He seems the need to comment about EVERYTHING with instant posts--often negative, and not in the good spirit and purpose of MOPO. michael Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] fAKES
How about some specific titles and sizes, and whether any of them were ever publically auctioned, and where and when? Bruce On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Richard Halegua Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com wrote: Doug what you say is true to the point that giving out names of people, ultimately damaging their reputations, can be grounds for both civil and criminal prosecutions and while those of us who have information can share some publicly must prevent ourselves from becoming victims from lawsuits and the like. I'm sure the names are about to come out because as Sue Poole pointed out, today's LAMP newsletter is going to contain a copy of a lawsuit filed on one of the alleged perpetrators and that person's name will obviously become public knowledge very quickly others involved who will also be subjects of lawsuits will clearly also be identified and hopefully, during the course of any FBI investigation, some co-conspirators will decide to give it up to save his or her or their butt and then more info comes out But here is what can be said publicly without fear: there is a considerable amount of Universal horror paper that has been introduced to the hobby that are reproductions meant to defraud unlike repros meant to be enjoyed for what they are clearly in order for any such fraud to take place, it requires at least one high-placed collector or dealer or both in concert with a very talented restorer to create the forgeries to such a degree that they can actually fool people and disseminate into the hobby at the highest levels this is a fraud unlike the Star Wars hairy belt, which may have been printed for fan club distribution legally, but which then became used in a nefarious way, but not unlike the Pulp Fiction bootlegs which were created to defraud. Rich At 03:42 PM 8/27/2009, Douglas Ball wrote: Year after year we hear, were not going to mention names unless proven Dealers who sell fakes either on purpose or mistake should be liable. If they do not know their material that they are selling, than they SHOULD NOT BE SELLING! Linen backers on the dark side should be crucified! Members who know who these people are, and don't inform, are just as guilty This list is to open up to the members about movie posters. Informing the group about known fakes and dealers (not just dealers outside the group), but also the shitty ones inside the group, will only improve the movie poster world not bring it down. Doug Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] LAMP NEWSLETTER IS NOW ONLINE
Hello, I have just uploaded our August newsletter. Here's the link http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/NewSite/LAGNIAPPE/LAMPPOST/Newsletter .asp : Sue Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters
This makes me very glad that there are two genres I have never sold because a) I have never really liked the genres personally and b) because of this I've never learned enough about these genres to feel competent enough to sell them. Drumroll please: the genres are horror and sci-fi. FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Smith, Grey - 1367 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:40 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters Look, this is limited at this time to high end horror material, only, that I am aware of! Sean mentions sci-fi, but I am unaware of that as have not seen any of that material nor heard of it being sold. I believe I was the first to uncover this scam independently, about three months ago when I was consigned a Dracula title card reproduction pretty skillfully done. I knew from handling it immediately that there was something wrong with the card and as I examined it, became very aware that it was a forgery. I contacted the consignor who then contacted the person he bought it from, etc. Since that time I have had at least a 15 to 20 items sent to me to examine which I have found to be forgeries. Again, all from high end horror titles. This includes one sheets, lobbies, window cards, inserts and half sheets. Is there reason to be afraid of forgeries running rampant in the hobby? Not at all. This has been halted in its tracks at this time and the real problem now is determining who bought these and where they are. I feel sure a number will end up at my door at some point and I will be the one to have to break the bad news. Sean has mentioned in his post the only people at this time that we are aware of that have allegedly sold these. From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Glenn Taranto Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:05 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters Greg - How can there not be a fallout? When it's hard to tell a fake, everything becomes suspect. How can there be 100 percent certainty once it's out there that incredibly real forgeries are out there. Every poster over a certain price will have to go through some sort of vetting process. I've heard it said that there was so much fake US money floating around that if finally prompted the government to start redesigning the bills after all these years. This is why I urge those who know what's going on to get it out there NOW and not later. It's ridiculous not to know who destroying the hobby. It's a sin of omission to know something and not share it when it could hurt so many people. I wanted to help but I thought I would wait and see if anyone else would first. Glenn T. - Original Message - From: Greg mailto:pickmeis...@cox.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters Combine those technological advances with the seemingly bottomless human capacity for greed and falsity and, bingo!, you've got the perfect shitstorm . I'm honestly surprised this didn't happen long before this. I'm glad that alarm bells are being raised at last, and I'll be interested, both as a long-time collector and a lifelong lover of scandal, to see who is involved. I feel bad for anyone who was hoodwinked on this one, but generally if something seems too good to be true..well, you know the rest. On a selfish note, I'm very happy that my financial situation has forced me to be highly parsimonious with my poster purchases. If I'd just picked up a one sheet from Dracula's Daughter , I'd be sweating even more than I am right now. (It's 103 degrees here today.) I'd be very interested to hear Todd Feiertag's reaction to all this. Do you guys really think there will be future, and possibly permanent, financial fallout from this situation for the hobby? Greg Douglass Cory Glaberson wrote: The underlying cause of this upsurge in fakes has to be the invention of some very good photographic processes. Technology is catching up with us. My restorer has shown me some extremely good photographs that once they are linenbacked are very difficult to tell as fake. The photography is chillingly perfect. Looking at these reproductions certainly sent a chill up my spine. Its going to be harder and harder to establish the provenance of extremely rare pieces once they are linenbacked. The old eyeball method is quickly becoming obsolete. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely
Re: [MOPO] Fake star wars posters
NO! The original seller has a moral duty to take some action, like our magician friend, to be up front. What he does protects everyone involved. Moral? Anyone remember that word? It's not a bad word and getting around being moral is NOT a good thing. Getting away with something does NOT make it OK. THAT is what's smudging the hobby. The deceit part. Andrea On Aug 27, 2009, at 4:41 PM, Michael B wrote: even is a seller states that he is selling a fake or a repro that looks damn good and convincing as real does GREAT INJURY TO THE HOBBY, because the buyer, if a bad person, lists it on ebay as an original. his 15.00 cost can yield him hundreds should the original seller be considered an innocent bystander? michael -Original Message- From: rixpost...@aol.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:32 pm Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fake star wars posters A masterful smokescreen Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] fAKES
I agree with you in general that Dealers who sell fakes either on purpose or mistake should be liable. If they do not know their material that they are selling, than they should not be selling but the point is that technology and a skilled restorer can make it damn near impossible to tell the difference between an expert fake and an original. Because of this, honest dealers can easily be dragged into this deceit without knowing it or thinking twice about it. FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Douglas Ball Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:42 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] fAKES Year after year we hear, were not going to mention names unless proven Dealers who sell fakes either on purpose or mistake should be liable. If they do not know their material that they are selling, than they SHOULD NOT BE SELLING! Linen backers on the dark side should be crucified! Members who know who these people are, and don't inform, are just as guilty This list is to open up to the members about movie posters. Informing the group about known fakes and dealers (not just dealers outside the group), but also the shitty ones inside the group, will only improve the movie poster world not bring it down. Doug Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] fakes and the names arise
Hello all, Now that Ed and Sue have posted the newsletter that names the seller, Kerry Haggard, do a google search on Kerry Haggard movie posters and there is a whole bunch of articles including a picture and newspaper article done on him. Sue www.hollywoodposterframes.com Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:31:43 -0400 From: fdav...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU This makes me very glad that there are two genres I have never sold because a) I have never really liked the genres personally and b) because of this I've never learned enough about these genres to feel competent enough to sell them. Drumroll please: the genres are horror and sci-fi. FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Smith, Grey - 1367 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:40 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters Look, this is limited at this time to high end horror material, only, that I am aware of! Sean mentions sci-fi, but I am unaware of that as have not seen any of that material nor heard of it being sold. I believe I was the first to uncover this scam independently, about three months ago when I was consigned a Dracula title card reproduction pretty skillfully done. I knew from handling it immediately that there was something wrong with the card and as I examined it, became very aware that it was a forgery. I contacted the consignor who then contacted the person he bought it from, etc. Since that time I have had at least a 15 to 20 items sent to me to examine which I have found to be forgeries. Again, all from high end horror titles. This includes one sheets, lobbies, window cards, inserts and half sheets. Is there reason to be afraid of forgeries running rampant in the hobby? Not at all. This has been halted in its tracks at this time and the real problem now is determining who bought these and where they are. I feel sure a number will end up at my door at some point and I will be the one to have to break the bad news. Sean has mentioned in his post the only people at this time that we are aware of that have allegedly sold these. From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Glenn Taranto Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:05 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters Greg - How can there not be a fallout? When it's hard to tell a fake, everything becomes suspect. How can there be 100 percent certainty once it's out there that incredibly real forgeries are out there. Every poster over a certain price will have to go through some sort of vetting process. I've heard it said that there was so much fake US money floating around that if finally prompted the government to start redesigning the bills after all these years. This is why I urge those who know what's going on to get it out there NOW and not later. It's ridiculous not to know who destroying the hobby. It's a sin of omission to know something and not share it when it could hurt so many people. I wanted to help but I thought I would wait and see if anyone else would first. Glenn T. - Original Message - From: Greg To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters Combine those technological advances with the seemingly bottomless human capacity for greed and falsity and, bingo!, you've got the perfect shitstorm . I'm honestly surprised this didn't happen long before this. I'm glad that alarm bells are being raised at last, and I'll be interested, both as a long-time collector and a lifelong lover of scandal, to see who is involved. I feel bad for anyone who was hoodwinked on this one, but generally if something seems too good to be true..well, you know the rest. On a selfish note, I'm very happy that my financial situation has forced me to be highly parsimonious with my poster purchases. If I'd just picked up a one sheet from Dracula's Daughter , I'd be sweating even more than I am right now. (It's 103 degrees here today.) I'd be very interested to hear Todd Feiertag's reaction to all this. Do you guys really think there will be future, and possibly permanent, financial fallout from this situation for the hobby? Greg Douglass Cory Glaberson wrote: The underlying cause of this upsurge in fakes has to be the invention of some very good photographic processes. Technology is catching up with us. My restorer has shown me some extremely good photographs that once they are linenbacked are very difficult to tell as fake. The photography is chillingly perfect. Looking at these reproductions certainly sent a chill up my spine. Its going to be harder and harder to
Re: [MOPO] fAKES
Let me just remind everyone that truth is a defense against defamation of character. FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Halegua Comic Art Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:56 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] fAKES Doug what you say is true to the point that giving out names of people, ultimately damaging their reputations, can be grounds for both civil and criminal prosecutions and while those of us who have information can share some publicly must prevent ourselves from becoming victims from lawsuits and the like. I'm sure the names are about to come out because as Sue Poole pointed out, today's LAMP newsletter is going to contain a copy of a lawsuit filed on one of the alleged perpetrators and that person's name will obviously become public knowledge very quickly others involved who will also be subjects of lawsuits will clearly also be identified and hopefully, during the course of any FBI investigation, some co-conspirators will decide to give it up to save his or her or their butt and then more info comes out But here is what can be said publicly without fear: there is a considerable amount of Universal horror paper that has been introduced to the hobby that are reproductions meant to defraud unlike repros meant to be enjoyed for what they are clearly in order for any such fraud to take place, it requires at least one high-placed collector or dealer or both in concert with a very talented restorer to create the forgeries to such a degree that they can actually fool people and disseminate into the hobby at the highest levels this is a fraud unlike the Star Wars hairy belt, which may have been printed for fan club distribution legally, but which then became used in a nefarious way, but not unlike the Pulp Fiction bootlegs which were created to defraud. Rich At 03:42 PM 8/27/2009, Douglas Ball wrote: Year after year we hear, were not going to mention names unless proven Dealers who sell fakes either on purpose or mistake should be liable. If they do not know their material that they are selling, than they SHOULD NOT BE SELLING! Linen backers on the dark side should be crucified! Members who know who these people are, and don't inform, are just as guilty This list is to open up to the members about movie posters. Informing the group about known fakes and dealers (not just dealers outside the group), but also the shitty ones inside the group, will only improve the movie poster world not bring it down. Doug Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] fAKES
sometimes truth needs a court decision to be the truth and in between now and the time that comes does not stop people from suing At 04:41 PM 8/27/2009, Franc wrote: Let me just remind everyone that truth is a defense against defamation of character. FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Halegua Comic Art Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:56 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] fAKES Doug what you say is true to the point that giving out names of people, ultimately damaging their reputations, can be grounds for both civil and criminal prosecutions and while those of us who have information can share some publicly must prevent ourselves from becoming victims from lawsuits and the like. I'm sure the names are about to come out because as Sue Poole pointed out, today's LAMP newsletter is going to contain a copy of a lawsuit filed on one of the alleged perpetrators and that person's name will obviously become public knowledge very quickly others involved who will also be subjects of lawsuits will clearly also be identified and hopefully, during the course of any FBI investigation, some co-conspirators will decide to give it up to save his or her or their butt and then more info comes out But here is what can be said publicly without fear: there is a considerable amount of Universal horror paper that has been introduced to the hobby that are reproductions meant to defraud unlike repros meant to be enjoyed for what they are clearly in order for any such fraud to take place, it requires at least one high-placed collector or dealer or both in concert with a very talented restorer to create the forgeries to such a degree that they can actually fool people and disseminate into the hobby at the highest levels this is a fraud unlike the Star Wars hairy belt, which may have been printed for fan club distribution legally, but which then became used in a nefarious way, but not unlike the Pulp Fiction bootlegs which were created to defraud. Rich At 03:42 PM 8/27/2009, Douglas Ball wrote: Year after year we hear, were not going to mention names unless proven Dealers who sell fakes either on purpose or mistake should be liable. If they do not know their material that they are selling, than they SHOULD NOT BE SELLING! Linen backers on the dark side should be crucified! Members who know who these people are, and don't inform, are just as guilty This list is to open up to the members about movie posters. Informing the group about known fakes and dealers (not just dealers outside the group), but also the shitty ones inside the group, will only improve the movie poster world not bring it down. Doug Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] fakes and the names arise
Certainly.it is just Kerry Haggard.sure...just him..lets not destroy the hobbylets talk to a reporter of LA times. -Original Message- From: Susan Heim filmfantast...@msn.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:39 pm Subject: Re: [MOPO] fakes and the names arise Hello all, Now that Ed and Sue have posted the newsletter that names the seller, Kerry Haggard, do a google search on Kerry Haggard movie posters and there is a whole bunch of articles including a picture and newspaper article done on him. Sue www.hollywoodposterframes.com Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:31:43 -0400 From: fdav...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU This makes me very glad that there are two genres I have never sold because a) I have never really liked the genres personally and b) because of this I've never learned enough about these genres to feel competent enough to sell them. Drumroll please: the genres are horror and sci-fi. FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Smith, Grey - 1367 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:40 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters Look, this is limited at this time to h igh end horror material, only, that I am aware of! Sean mentions sci-fi, but I am unaware of that as have not seen any of that material nor heard of it being sold. I believe I was the first to uncover this scam independently, about three months ago when I was consigned a Dracula title card reproduction pretty skillfully done. I knew from handling it immediately that there was something wrong with the card and as I examined it, became very aware that it was a forgery. I contacted the consignor who then contacted the person he bought it from, etc. Since that time I have had at least a 15 to 20 items sent to me to examine which I have found to be forgeries. Again, all from high end horror titles. This includes one sheets, lobbies, window cards, inserts and half sheets. Is there reason to be afraid of forgeries running rampant in the hobby? Not at all. This has been halted in its tracks at this time and the real problem now is determining who bought these and where they are. I feel sure a number will end up at my door at some point and I will be the one to have to break the bad news. Sean has mentioned in his post the only people at this time that we are aware of that have allegedly sold these. From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Glenn Taranto Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:05 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO ] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters Greg - How can there not be a fallout? When it's hard to tell a fake, everything becomes suspect. How can there be 100 percent certainty once it's out there that incredibly real forgeries are out there. Every poster over a certain price will have to go through some sort of vetting process. I've heard it said that there was so much fake US money floating around that if finally prompted the government to start redesigning the bills after all these years. This is why I urge those who know what's going on to get it out there NOW and not later. It's ridiculous not to know who destroying the hobby. It's a sin of omission to know something and not share it when it could hurt so many people. I wanted to help but I thought I would wait and see if anyone else would first. Glenn T. - Original Message - From: Greg To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters Combine those technological advances with the seemingly bottomless human capacity for greed and falsity and, bingo!, you've got the perfect shitstorm . I'm honestly surprised this didn't happen long before this. I'm glad that alarm bells are being raised at last, and I'll be interested, both as a long-time collector and a lifelong lover of scandal, to see who is involved. I feel bad for anyone who was hoodwinked on this one, but generally if something seems too good to be true..well, you know the rest. On a selfish note, I'm very happy that my financial situation has forced me to be highly parsimonious with my poster purchases. If I'd just picked up a one sheet from Dracula's Daughter , I'd be sweating even more than I am right now. (It's 103 degrees here today.) I'd be very interested to hear Todd Feiertag's reaction to all this. Do you guys really think there will be future, and possibly permanent, financial fallout from this situation for the hobby? Greg Douglass Cory Glaberson wrote: gt; The underlying cause of this upsurge in fakes has to be the invention gt; of some very good
Re: [MOPO] fAKES
certainly.the court is always correct..you are right...people sue other people just for fun...because they having nothing else to do -Original Message- From: Richard Halegua Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:45 pm Subject: Re: [MOPO] fAKES sometimes truth needs a court decision to be the truth and in between now and the time that comes does not stop people from suing At 04:41 PM 8/27/2009, Franc wrote: Let me just remind everyone that truth is a defense against defamation of character. FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [ mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Halegua Comic Art Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:56 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] fAKES Doug what you say is true to the point that giving out names of people, ultimately damaging their reputations, can be grounds for both civil and criminal prosecutions and while those of us who have information can share some publicly must prevent ourselves from becoming victims from lawsuits and the like. I'm sure the names are about to come out because as Sue Poole pointed out, today's LAMP newsletter is going to contain a copy of a lawsuit filed on one of the alleged perpetrators and that person's name will obviously become public knowledge very quickly =0 A others involved who will also be subjects of lawsuits will clearly also be identified and hopefully, during the course of any FBI investigation, some co-conspirators will decide to give it up to save his or her or their butt and then more info comes out But here is what can be said publicly without fear: there is a considerable amount of Universal horror paper that has been introduced to the hobby that are reproductions meant to defraud unlike repros meant to be enjoyed for what they are clearly in order for any such fraud to take place, it requires at least one high-placed collector or dealer or both in concert with a very talented restorer to create the forgeries to such a degree that they can actually fool people and disseminate into the hobby at the highest levels this is a fraud unlike the Star Wars hairy belt, which may have been printed for fan club distribution legally, but which then became used in a nefarious way, but not unlike the Pulp Fiction bootlegs which were created to defraud. Rich At 03:42 PM 8/27/2009, Douglas Ball wrote: Year after year we hear, were not going to mention names unless proven Dealers who sell fakes either on purpose or mistake should be liable. If they do not know their material that they are selling, than they SHOULD NOT BE SELLING! Linen backer s on the dark side should be crucified! Members who know who these people are, and don't inform, are just as guilty This list is to open up to the members about movie posters. Informing the group about known fakes and dealers (not just dealers outside the group), but also the shitty ones inside the group, will only improve the movie poster world not bring it down. Doug Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your20message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its
Re: [MOPO] Fake star wars posters
Every time a fake is sold AS a fake, clearly identified as such, it informs all of the new buyers to keep their eyes open, and makes it harder for fraudulent sellers to get away with their fraud. There's an argument for encouraging those who possess fakes to put them up for auction regularly and as often as possible in highly informative here's what you should look out for listings. Proceeds could go for charity, with the see, I'm an honest seller advertisement should make it worthwhile for the seller. Might also be a good way for certain collector-oriented services or web sites to attract attention. Maybe we should donate our fakes to LAMP or someone. Kind of like Eisenhower's old proposal to have all nuclear weapons under the control of an international organization... CK MacLeod ckmac.com -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu]on Behalf Of Andrea Kanter Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 04:32 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fake star wars posters NO! The original seller has a moral duty to take some action, like our magician friend, to be up front. What he does protects everyone involved. Moral? Anyone remember that word? It's not a bad word and getting around being moral is NOT a good thing. Getting away with something does NOT make it OK. THAT is what's smudging the hobby. The deceit part. Andrea On Aug 27, 2009, at 4:41 PM, Michael B wrote: even is a seller states that he is selling a fake or a repro that looks damn good and convincing as real does GREAT INJURY TO THE HOBBY, because the buyer, if a bad person, lists it on ebay as an original. his 15.00 cost can yield him hundreds should the original seller be considered an innocent bystander? michael -Original Message- From: rixpost...@aol.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:32 pm Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fake star wars posters A masterful smokescreen Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] Horror Poster Fakes
Rather than be a spectator I should report the following: The ONLY items being faked are 1930's-1940's, Horror movie posters, window cards, and lobby cards, including all known reissues for the Universal horror films. This has been going on for less than 3 years as far as we can tell and involves at least one known collector and a west coast poster restorer. It was being done using original posters and lobby cards of little to no value and the restorer sanded or peeled the image off (I am not aware of the exact science to this) and glued quality reproduction from to the old original backing. These were meant to defraud us collectors. The people behind this have sold other non horror posters and lobbies, but they all checked out to be good so far. I really think it is limited to Horror ONLY, and if you did not buy (or trade for) any horror cards or posters in the last 3 years or less, you have nothing to worry about. I myself was burned by 2 very expensive cards which turned out to be high quality forgeries; but my losses were small (around 20k) compared to some friends who are out $100,000's. Most people, myself included can not name names as directed by our attorneys, but without to much asking around you could find this information out. It does not makes sense to spook everyone in our hobby, especially those who DO NOT collect horror material, just to feel important by spreading gossip. Many serious horror collectors are taking some big hits right now, but speaking for myself I still love the hobby and will continue to buy all genres (even horror), just with a bit more caution in who I deal with. This problem will sting for awhile but I think it will be under control very soon, and the guilty parties will be brought to justice. Anyone who feels they material that may be fake can send it to John Davis at Poster Mountain, or Carol Tincup in Orange CA. They are the only restoration professionals that I know of who handled and authenticated all the posters so far and help expose this crime. Ralph DeLuca Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] fakes and the names arise
Kerry Haggard is one of the three sellers whose eBay IDs I posted earlier today. _ From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Heim Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:40 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] fakes and the names arise Hello all, Now that Ed and Sue have posted the newsletter that names the seller, Kerry Haggard, do a google search on Kerry Haggard movie posters and there is a whole bunch of articles including a picture and newspaper article done on him. Sue www.hollywoodposterframes.com _ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:31:43 -0400 From: fdav...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU This makes me very glad that there are two genres I have never sold because a) I have never really liked the genres personally and b) because of this I've never learned enough about these genres to feel competent enough to sell them. Drumroll please: the genres are horror and sci-fi. FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Smith, Grey - 1367 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:40 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters Look, this is limited at this time to high end horror material, only, that I am aware of! Sean mentions sci-fi, but I am unaware of that as have not seen any of that material nor heard of it being sold. I believe I was the first to uncover this scam independently, about three months ago when I was consigned a Dracula title card reproduction pretty skillfully done. I knew from handling it immediately that there was something wrong with the card and as I examined it, became very aware that it was a forgery. I contacted the consignor who then contacted the person he bought it from, etc. Since that time I have had at least a 15 to 20 items sent to me to examine which I have found to be forgeries. Again, all from high end horror titles. This includes one sheets, lobbies, window cards, inserts and half sheets. Is there reason to be afraid of forgeries running rampant in the hobby? Not at all. This has been halted in its tracks at this time and the real problem now is determining who bought these and where they are. I feel sure a number will end up at my door at some point and I will be the one to have to break the bad news. Sean has mentioned in his post the only people at this time that we are aware of that have allegedly sold these. From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Glenn Taranto Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:05 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters Greg - How can there not be a fallout? When it's hard to tell a fake, everything becomes suspect. How can there be 100 percent certainty once it's out there that incredibly real forgeries are out there. Every poster over a certain price will have to go through some sort of vetting process. I've heard it said that there was so much fake US money floating around that if finally prompted the government to start redesigning the bills after all these years. This is why I urge those who know what's going on to get it out there NOW and not later. It's ridiculous not to know who destroying the hobby. It's a sin of omission to know something and not share it when it could hurt so many people. I wanted to help but I thought I would wait and see if anyone else would first. Glenn T. - Original Message - From: Greg mailto:pickmeis...@cox.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters Combine those technological advances with the seemingly bottomless human capacity for greed and falsity and, bingo!, you've got the perfect shitstorm . I'm honestly surprised this didn't happen long before this. I'm glad that alarm bells are being raised at last, and I'll be interested, both as a long-time collector and a lifelong lover of scandal, to see who is involved. I feel bad for anyone who was hoodwinked on this one, but generally if something seems too good to be true..well, you know the rest. On a selfish note, I'm very happy that my financial situation has forced me to be highly parsimonious with my poster purchases. If I'd just picked up a one sheet from Dracula's Daughter , I'd be sweating even more than I am right now. (It's 103 degrees here today.) I'd be very interested to hear Todd Feiertag's reaction to all this. Do you guys really think there will be future, and possibly permanent, financial fallout from this situation for the hobby? Greg Douglass Cory Glaberson wrote: The underlying cause of this upsurge in fakes has to be the invention of some very good photographic processes.
[MOPO] Horror Poster Fakes.
Rather than be a speculator I should report the following: The ONLY items being faked are 1930's-1940's, Horror movie posters, window cards, and lobby cards, including all known reissues for the Universal horror films. This has been going on for less than 3 years as far as we can tell and involves at least one known collector and a west coast poster restorer. It was being done using original posters and lobby cards of little to no value and the restorer sanded or peeled the image off (I am not aware of the exact science to this) and glued quality reproduction from to the old original backing. These were meant to defraud us collectors. The people behind this have sold other non horror posters and lobbies, but they all checked out to be good so far. I really think it is limited to Horror ONLY, and if you did not buy (or trade for) any horror cards or posters in the last 3 years or less, you have nothing to worry about. I myself was burned by 2 very expensive cards which turned out to be high quality forgeries; but my losses were small (around 20k) compared to some friends who are out $100,000's. Most people, myself included can not name names as directed by our attorneys, but without to much asking around you could find this information out. It does not makes sense to spook everyone in our hobby, especially those who DO NOT collect horror material, just to feel important by spreading gossip. Many serious horror collectors are taking some big hits right now, but speaking for myself I still love the hobby and will continue to buy all genres (even horror), just with a bit more caution in who I deal with. This problem will sting for awhile but I think it will be under control very soon, and the guilty parties will be brought to justice. Anyone who feels they material that may be fake can send it to John Davis at Poster Mountain, or Carol Tincup in Orange CA. They are the only restoration professionals that I know of who handled and authenticated all the posters so far and help expose this crime. Ralph DeLuca Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Horror Poster Fakes
Ralph, It may be Horror today, but surely others tomorrow... if not stopped! Doug - Original Message - From: Ralph DeLuca To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:52 PM Subject: [MOPO] Horror Poster Fakes Rather than be a spectator I should report the following: The ONLY items being faked are 1930's-1940's, Horror movie posters, window cards, and lobby cards, including all known reissues for the Universal horror films. This has been going on for less than 3 years as far as we can tell and involves at least one known collector and a west coast poster restorer. It was being done using original posters and lobby cards of little to no value and the restorer sanded or peeled the image off (I am not aware of the exact science to this) and glued quality reproduction from to the old original backing. These were meant to defraud us collectors. The people behind this have sold other non horror posters and lobbies, but they all checked out to be good so far. I really think it is limited to Horror ONLY, and if you did not buy (or trade for) any horror cards or posters in the last 3 years or less, you have nothing to worry about. I myself was burned by 2 very expensive cards which turned out to be high quality forgeries; but my losses were small (around 20k) compared to some friends who are out $100,000's. Most people, myself included can not name names as directed by our attorneys, but without to much asking around you could find this information out. It does not makes sense to spook everyone in our hobby, especially those who DO NOT collect horror material, just to feel important by spreading gossip. Many serious horror collectors are taking some big hits right now, but speaking for myself I still love the hobby and will continue to buy all genres (even horror), just with a bit more caution in who I deal with. This problem will sting for awhile but I think it will be under control very soon, and the guilty parties will be brought to justice. Anyone who feels they material that may be fake can send it to John Davis at Poster Mountain, or Carol Tincup in Orange CA. They are the only restoration professionals that I know of who handled and authenticated all the posters so far and help expose this crime. Ralph DeLuca Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters
That certain linenbacker is the name that popped right into my mind when this
was mentioned. It does seem like somebody would have to have access to the
originals to make decent copies though, and with the small number of these
titles available that would seem to limit the universe.
The good news is at least for once abject poverty has an upside!
--Peter
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From: Susan Heim filmfantast...@msn.com
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 2:56 PM
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It has been upon us for many years in one form or another. The minute poster
values began to escalate in the mid to late 80's, the scoundrels began coming
out of the woodwork. For years a certain linenbacker was selling posters to
dealers and collectors all over California that were the stolen or missing
property of his customers. In fact, my own posters were left as collateral for
a loan and it took me almost two years to track them down and get some of them
back. I incurred virtually no help from several fellow collectors and dealers
who knew what was going on. They didn't want to get involved. I spent hundreds
of hours, months and years of my time making sure that person was out of
business. Unfortuntely, he is still in business, just under the table, working
for people that know his history, know that he defrauded countless collectors,
but look the other way because they need his artistic ability.
I have been in this hobby for 37 years now. This fiasco is just the tip of
the greed iceberg. Unfortunately it effects us all, whether collector, dealer
or linenbacker. It takes a talented restorer to do this type of copy work and
an even more talented restorer to discover it. I think you will find these
fakes are going to be far more pervasive in the hobby than first thought. It
involves a lot of money and that is why it is getting this kind of attention,
but it takes more than one person to make something of this scale happen. Time
will tell. Stay tuned!!
Sue
www.hollywoodposterframes.com
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:24:35 -0700
From: sa...@comic-art.com
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Underlying cause of these fake horror cards and posters
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
it's upon us, but getting out of the hobby is alarmist premature
At 02:10 PM 8/27/2009, Glenn Taranto wrote:
Then, what you're saying, is, it's already upon us.
Time to get out of the hobby.
GT
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When it's hard to tell a fake, everything becomes suspect.
that is the fallout Glenn
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Re: [MOPO] fakes and the names arise
Lieberman's nemesis was V prescient with this one! [MOPO] anyone ever dealt with this seller? Jeff Potokar Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:34:19 -0700 hi mopo, just wondering if anyone had ever dealt with this ebay seller, his ID is: universalhorrorart he or she has some great universal horror pieces but the quality of the pics is not great (many are not in sharp focus or are very tiny). thanks in advance!! best. jeff Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] fAKES
I highly regard Dario as a collector, restorer, and most of all a friend. I do not feel that Dario as being on the dark side! Dario, is the only restorer on Mopo who informs and answers to our restoring questions. Personally, I think it speaks volumes that you put your name on your workplease keep it up stay on the right side! Doug - Original Message - From: Dario Casadei To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] fAKES Hi Doug, As soon as I mentioned the Dark Side a name came flying in from many Mopo members. This is so High profile and sensitive right now that mentioning any name could land on in some serious trouble. I would love to be able to blur it out, but it would be crazy. It will reveal it self very soon, I don't see why not. Kindly and respectfully, please don't put me on the Guilty side I already feel bad as a collector and Linen backer. This is truly an ugly mess. As always, your friend, dario. Douglas Ball wrote: Year after year we hear, were not going to mention names unless proven Dealers who sell fakes either on purpose or mistake should be liable. If they do not know their material that they are selling, than they SHOULD NOT BE SELLING! Linen backers on the dark side should be crucified! Members who know who these people are, and don't inform, are just as guilty This list is to open up to the members about movie posters. Informing the group about known fakes and dealers (not just dealers outside the group), but also the shitty ones inside the group, will only improve the movie poster world not bring it down. Doug Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] fakes and the names arise
Who is Kerry Haggard? Since 2001, he's acquired some of the most difficult Universal Horror one sheets to find in the word---Dracula and Frankenstein among them, I believe. Hey, ALL of the collectors I know who have the BEST posters stay OUT of the limelight---they certainly don't advertise to the world what they've got. Very peculiar, this Terry Haggard. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] THE DARK SIDE
Maybe Dick Cheney has taken up restoring movie posters... Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] fAKES
*Doug, Thank you, I appreciated that very much!! As a restorer, news like this is heart wrenching and I feel it might hurt the reputation of many many talented and honest conservation and Restoration artist who do nothing but good. I also feel horrible for Ralph and many of his fellow UH collectors that have lost some serious money. This is definitely one big dark cloud over over hobby right now. Best, dario. * Douglas Ball wrote: I highly regard Dario as a collector, restorer, and most of all a friend. I do not feel that Dario as being on the dark side! Dario, is the only restorer on Mopo who informs and answers to our restoring questions. Personally, I think it speaks volumes that you put your name on your workplease keep it up stay on the right side! Doug - Original Message - *From:* Dario Casadei mailto:m...@vintagemovieart.ca *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU *Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:53 PM *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] fAKES *Hi Doug, As soon as I mentioned the Dark Side a name came flying in from many Mopo members. This is so High profile and sensitive right now that mentioning any name could land on in some serious trouble. I would love to be able to blur it out, but it would be crazy. It will reveal it self very soon, I don't see why not. Kindly and respectfully, please don't put me on the Guilty side I already feel bad as a collector and Linen backer. This is truly an ugly mess. As always, your friend, dario.* Douglas Ball wrote: Year after year we hear, were not going to mention names unless proven Dealers who sell fakes either on purpose or mistake should be liable. If they do not know their material that they are selling, than they SHOULD NOT BE SELLING! Linen backers on the dark side should be crucified! Members who know who these people are, and don't inform, are just as guilty This list is to open up to the members about movie posters. Informing the group about known fakes and dealers (not just dealers outside the group), but also the shitty ones inside the group, will only improve the movie poster world not bring it down. Doug Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] fAKES
In the litigious society in which we live most definitely. FRANC -Original Message- From: Richard Halegua Comic Art [mailto:sa...@comic-art.com] Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:46 PM To: Franc; MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] fAKES sometimes truth needs a court decision to be the truth and in between now and the time that comes does not stop people from suing At 04:41 PM 8/27/2009, Franc wrote: Let me just remind everyone that truth is a defense against defamation of character. FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [ mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU ] On Behalf Of Richard Halegua Comic Art Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:56 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] fAKES Doug what you say is true to the point that giving out names of people, ultimately damaging their reputations, can be grounds for both civil and criminal prosecutions and while those of us who have information can share some publicly must prevent ourselves from becoming victims from lawsuits and the like. I'm sure the names are about to come out because as Sue Poole pointed out, today's LAMP newsletter is going to contain a copy of a lawsuit filed on one of the alleged perpetrators and that person's name will obviously become public knowledge very quickly others involved who will also be subjects of lawsuits will clearly also be identified and hopefully, during the course of any FBI investigation, some co-conspirators will decide to give it up to save his or her or their butt and then more info comes out But here is what can be said publicly without fear: there is a considerable amount of Universal horror paper that has been introduced to the hobby that are reproductions meant to defraud unlike repros meant to be enjoyed for what they are clearly in order for any such fraud to take place, it requires at least one high-placed collector or dealer or both in concert with a very talented restorer to create the forgeries to such a degree that they can actually fool people and disseminate into the hobby at the highest levels this is a fraud unlike the Star Wars hairy belt, which may have been printed for fan club distribution legally, but which then became used in a nefarious way, but not unlike the Pulp Fiction bootlegs which were created to defraud. Rich At 03:42 PM 8/27/2009, Douglas Ball wrote: Year after year we hear, were not going to mention names unless proven Dealers who sell fakes either on purpose or mistake should be liable. If they do not know their material that they are selling, than they SHOULD NOT BE SELLING! Linen backers on the dark side should be crucified! Members who know who these people are, and don't inform, are just as guilty This list is to open up to the members about movie posters. Informing the group about known fakes and dealers (not just dealers outside the group), but also the shitty ones inside the group, will only improve the movie poster world not bring it down. Doug Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] fAKES
*This is definitely one big dark cloud over over hobby right now.* ** Correction. There are big dark clouds over several distinct parts of our hobby right now. As long as it is left incredibly murky, someone like Dario has just as much suspicion on him as the guilty restorer, and someone like me has just as much suspicion on him as the guilty sellers. It is only by shining a very bright light on the big dark clouds that they can be dispelled, and the sun can shine again. I would have thought that Richard Nixon would have taught the guilty parties (and those who innoncently re-sold the fakes, whether by private sale or public auction) that a cover-up can be far more damaging than simply coming clean with the truth. All I want to know is what items were sold (title and size) and what public venues, if any, they were sold on. I can't see how that can hurt those who were cheated, and it can greatly help those who have not yet been cheated. As to the the only items faked were Universal horror, this is not so comforting when it comes after months of not admitting to any fakes at all. Who is to say that next week or month we won't learn of even more fakes, but that lawyers told their clients to now only admit to the Universal ones? This is potentially devastating to all honest dealers and auctions, and could decimate the re-salability of every honest collector's collection. Bruce On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Dario Casadei m...@vintagemovieart.cawrote: *Doug, Thank you, I appreciated that very much!! As a restorer, news like this is heart wrenching and I feel it might hurt the reputation of many many talented and honest conservation and Restoration artist who do nothing but good. I also feel horrible for Ralph and many of his fellow UH collectors that have lost some serious money. This is definitely one big dark cloud over over hobby right now. Best, dario. * Douglas Ball wrote: I highly regard Dario as a collector, restorer, and most of all a friend. I do not feel that Dario as being on the dark side! Dario, is the only restorer on Mopo who informs and answers to our restoring questions. Personally, I think it speaks volumes that you put your name on your workplease keep it up stay on the right side! Doug - Original Message - *From:* Dario Casadei m...@vintagemovieart.ca *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU *Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:53 PM *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] fAKES *Hi Doug, As soon as I mentioned the Dark Side a name came flying in from many Mopo members. This is so High profile and sensitive right now that mentioning any name could land on in some serious trouble. I would love to be able to blur it out, but it would be crazy. It will reveal it self very soon, I don't see why not. Kindly and respectfully, please don't put me on the Guilty side I already feel bad as a collector and Linen backer. This is truly an ugly mess. As always, your friend, dario.* Douglas Ball wrote: Year after year we hear, were not going to mention names unless proven Dealers who sell fakes either on purpose or mistake should be liable. If they do not know their material that they are selling, than they SHOULD NOT BE SELLING! Linen backers on the dark side should be crucified! Members who know who these people are, and don't inform, are just as guilty This list is to open up to the members about movie posters. Informing the group about known fakes and dealers (not just dealers outside the group), but also the shitty ones inside the group, will only improve the movie poster world not bring it down. Doug Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to:
Re: [MOPO] Fake star wars posters
Yes, but you go out of your way to stamp the back this is not an original movie poster so that clears you. You're taking an action to do the moral thing. There's not much else you can do. On Aug 27, 2009, at 6:31 PM, David Lieberman wrote: he is not really referring to me. do the ones I'm selling look real and convincing with the FAKE stamps on the back and the hair on luke's belt? No, of course they don't. only a complete and total idiot or a blind person who cannot see the this is not an original movie poster stamped on the back of the ones I sell, and who cannot see the hair on luke's belt, would confuse them as original. and to answer his question should the original seller be considered an innocent bystander? in my case.yes, absolutely! would you hold a gun store owner responsible for murder when he sells a gun legally to someone who then goes and kills someone? even is a seller states that he is selling a fake or a repro that looks damn good and convincing as real does GREAT INJURY TO THE HOBBY, because the buyer, if a bad person, lists it on ebay as an original. his 15.00 cost can yield him hundreds should the original seller be considered an innocent bystander? David Lieberman CineMasterpieces.com | 15721 N. Greenway Hayden Loop, Suite 105 -- Scottsdale, Az 85260 Vintage Original Movie Posters | 602 309 0500 | Office/Gallery Open By Appt. Only. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] fAKES
Could do the industry a favour. Been enough distinct, (but mostly politely unmentioned), whiffs around since I've been collecting, an impossible to ignore bit of cheese cutting might help it clean up. May lead to a bit less of the three monkeys. Personally, I couldn't care less about fake Star Wars being sold when they're clearly described as fakes. But The Deer Hunter still being described as; DEER HUNTER, THE movie poster film poster one sheet 1978 British Double Crown 20 x 30 Original Movie Poster ROLLED UNUSED NM- M C9-C10 $1495.00 This poster was withdrawn from circulation soon after it was issued. A very rare poster, the one all collectors want! It's not rare, it was, but now it's all over the sodding place, obviously been a find. I've said it once on here, hate to think that blurb was deliberately misleading. Or would that be acceptable? Cheers, Rich On 28 Aug 2009, at 01:37, Dario Casadei wrote: Doug, Thank you, I appreciated that very much!! As a restorer, news like this is heart wrenching and I feel it might hurt the reputation of many many talented and honest conservation and Restoration artist who do nothing but good. I also feel horrible for Ralph and many of his fellow UH collectors that have lost some serious money. This is definitely one big dark cloud over over hobby right now. Best, dario. Douglas Ball wrote: I highly regard Dario as a collector, restorer, and most of all a friend. I do not feel that Dario as being on the dark side! Dario, is the only restorer on Mopo who informs and answers to our restoring questions. Personally, I think it speaks volumes that you put your name on your workplease keep it up stay on the right side! Doug - Original Message - From: Dario Casadei To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] fAKES Hi Doug, As soon as I mentioned the Dark Side a name came flying in from many Mopo members. This is so High profile and sensitive right now that mentioning any name could land on in some serious trouble. I would love to be able to blur it out, but it would be crazy. It will reveal it self very soon, I don't see why not. Kindly and respectfully, please don't put me on the Guilty side I already feel bad as a collector and Linen backer. This is truly an ugly mess. As always, your friend, dario. Douglas Ball wrote: Year after year we hear, were not going to mention names unless proven Dealers who sell fakes either on purpose or mistake should be liable. If they do not know their material that they are selling, than they SHOULD NOT BE SELLING! Linen backers on the dark side should be crucified! Members who know who these people are, and don't inform, are just as guilty This list is to open up to the members about movie posters. Informing the group about known fakes and dealers (not just dealers outside the group), but also the shitty ones inside the group, will only improve the movie poster world not bring it down. Doug Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] FAKES
Yes, a very sad day indeed for the hobby in general. I really believe that some good will come out of this after the dark storm clouds have passed. My hope is that when the storm is over the sun will shine again on our hobby. That the damage will be minimal. --Tom Pennock In a message dated 8/27/2009 8:47:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, brucehershen...@gmail.com writes: This is definitely one big dark cloud over over hobby right now. Correction. There are big dark clouds over several distinct parts of our hobby right now. As long as it is left incredibly murky, someone like Dario has just as much suspicion on him as the guilty restorer, and someone like me has just as much suspicion on him as the guilty sellers. It is only by shining a very bright light on the big dark clouds that they can be dispelled, and the sun can shine again. I would have thought that Richard Nixon would have taught the guilty parties (and those who innoncently re-sold the fakes, whether by private sale or public auction) that a cover-up can be far more damaging than simply coming clean with the truth. All I want to know is what items were sold (title and size) and what public venues, if any, they were sold on. I can't see how that can hurt those who were cheated, and it can greatly help those who have not yet been cheated. As to the the only items faked were Universal horror, this is not so comforting when it comes after months of not admitting to any fakes at all. Who is to say that next week or month we won't learn of even more fakes, but that lawyers told their clients to now only admit to the Universal ones? This is potentially devastating to all honest dealers and auctions, and could decimate the re-salability of every honest collector's collection. Bruce On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Dario Casadei _m...@vintagemovieart.ca_ (mailto:m...@vintagemovieart.ca) wrote: Doug, Thank you, I appreciated that very much!! As a restorer, news like this is heart wrenching and I feel it might hurt the reputation of many many talented and honest conservation and Restoration artist who do nothing but good. I also feel horrible for Ralph and many of his fellow UH collectors that have lost some serious money. This is definitely one big dark cloud over over hobby right now. Best, dario. Douglas Ball wrote: I highly regard Dario as a collector, restorer, and most of all a friend. I do not feel that Dario as being on the dark side! Dario, is the only restorer on Mopo who informs and answers to our restoring questions. Personally, I think it speaks volumes that you put your name on your workplease keep it up stay on the right side! Doug - Original Message - From: _Dario Casadei_ (mailto:m...@vintagemovieart.ca) To: _mop...@listserv.american.edu_ (mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU) Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] fAKES Hi Doug, As soon as I mentioned the Dark Side a name came flying in from many Mopo members. This is so High profile and sensitive right now that mentioning any name could land on in some serious trouble. I would love to be able to blur it out, but it would be crazy. It will reveal it self very soon, I don't see why not. Kindly and respectfully, please don't put me on the Guilty side I already feel bad as a collector and Linen backer. This is truly an ugly mess. As always, your friend, dario. Douglas Ball wrote: Year after year we hear, were not going to mention names unless proven Dealers who sell fakes either on purpose or mistake should be liable. If they do not know their material that they are selling, than they SHOULD NOT BE SELLING! Linen backers on the dark side should be crucified! Members who know who these people are, and don't inform, are just as guilty This list is to open up to the members about movie posters. Informing the group about known fakes and dealers (not just dealers outside the group), but also the shitty ones inside the group, will only improve the movie poster world not bring it down. Doug Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at _www.filmfan.com_ (http://www.filmfan.com/) ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: _lists...@listserv.american.edu_ (mailto:lists...@listserv.american.edu) In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at _www.filmfan.com_ (http://www.filmfan.com/) ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: _lists...@listserv.american.edu_ (mailto:lists...@listserv.american.edu) In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely
[MOPO] Favorite dealers
My favorite dealers on Mopo; Bruce, I think Bruce would commit suicide than be caught selling a fake! Value, conditions, service, wrapping, shipping like no other. Grey/Heritage, If Class were to change it's name, it would be Grey Smith! Grey has taken movie poster collecting to the next level, and to the collectors who share his passion... Freeman, if you never dealt with Freeman, then you never had a wonderful experience! Freeman does it right! Dave Lieberman, a little high? Yes, but you want that special poster, Dave is the first dealer I look up...I've never been disappointed...including my free fake Star Wars! Tom Martin, Tom has more heart than all of us put together! Thanks for all the Jesse James movie tickets, I'll always have a movie to go to! :-) Richard Halegua, Rich has all the movies that I've never heard of on MoviePoster Bid...God love him! I think Rich has to be the hardest working dealer out there and the best story teller... and of course, Cory Glaberson, Cory's the first dealer I look for at smelly Cinevent. Unfortunately Cory always brings something I want and takes all my money at the beginning of each show. It's OK, keep bringing it! These are dealers that I would not hesitate in dealing with. There are others that I have dealt with on the list and have been very happy with. There are some that I have been fairly happy with, but do stupid things, like not giving feedback (can post on MOPO everyday, but can't give you a minute for feedback), hided descriptions, wrapping carelessly or over wrap with too much tape, over charging for shipments, or just make you feel that they are doing you a big favor dealing with them. I hope others will share their favorites... Doug Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] Identifying Universal Horror Fake Posters
I have also fell victim to a fake Universal Horror half sheet and there seems to be a couple of tell tale signs to keep aware of when trying to identify these counterfeit poster for yourself. 1. Magic Marker was used to write a re-release date on the back. Posters from the 1930's thru 40's shouldn't have this because magic marker was not invented till the late 1950's. 2. Collector or Movie poster store stamps applied to the back of them. A lot of genuine posters have these but the ink shouldn't look to bright and fresh. When ink ages it turns light brown and gray over the years. 3. The posters borders were completely spayed over with white paint to give it an genuine restored look. Also A lot of painting over was done to this posters graphics as well. 4. Hold the poster up to a bright light and look to see if any tears on the front of the poster don't appear on the back. I'm hearing that some fake half-sheets and inserts are printed in two separate pieces, (one for the front and one for the back) and then glued together. Also the larger posters are then put on paper and linen to make them look legit. and lastly if the price is too good to be true, there's a reason why. Danny Carlson Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] Cinerama --- and WOODSTOCK fans -- check it out
https://www.arclightcinemas.com/ArcLight/faces/Home.jsp On the big big screen! Wish I could be in L.A. for this one. Kirby McDaniel www.movieart.net Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
