date:20020129

michael lefevre wrote:
> you certainly could... it's been done:
> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 2000) Opera 5.12 [en]
> is (i think) the default for Opera 5.12

True. That's what I don't like about Opera.

It's like "we can't implement DOM properly, but at least we can mess up 
user agents".

>>at least until *that* browser catches on so much that
>>some other Brand X takes that whole string and appends something
>>else...

> indeed. this is obviously not a good way to go - I haven't used it, but
> it appears from their docs that Opera 6 actually identifies itself as
> (for example)
> Opera/6.0 (Windows XP; U) [en] 
> by default... but i could be wrong.

No. "Identify as IE" is default, which is like what you mentioned first. 
It takes the IE string - which includes "Mozilla 4.0-compatible" and 
appends its own version number ("Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; 
Windows XP) Opera 6.01 [en]" for me).

This one ("Opera/6.01 (Windows XP; U) [en]") is true though when turning 
on "Identify as Opera".

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Re: Ho to masquerade Mozilla?

Sören Kuklau wrote:

> True. That's what I don't like about Opera.
> 
> It's like "we can't implement DOM properly, but at least we can mess up 
> user agents".

Mozilla isn't perfect either. You should read the thread
'proposing changes to "user-agent string"' in 
netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey.

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Re: Changing email address for Mozilla's bugzilla account?


grayrest wrote:

> I think gerv handles all these cases. Dig up his email of bugzilla or 
> type "word gerv" on irc://moznet/#mozillazine to get his word listing.

His email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: new email - no email!!

2002-01-29 Thread Christopher Jahn

And it came to pass that Mike Greene wrote:

> Netscape 6 is saying that I have unread emails - but I
> cannot see them! I have now deleted the contents of my in
> box but the message remains! HELP Please
> Mike
> 
> 

Close NEtscape completely, then FIND "Inbox.msf" and delete the 
file.  When you re-start Netscape, you should see any messages 
left in the inbox, or have an accurate count.

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plugins

2002-01-29 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]


I have only recently upgraded my NS4.7 to 6.2. While NS4.7 is still 
remain installed on my PC, NS6.2 is having some problem opening special 
links ( ie. video, audio... stuff that needs plugins). All I get is a 
page of garbage text.

When I check the NS6.2 setting in Preference-Navigator-Helper 
Applications-File Types, the only entry is "text/html". But if I look 
under Help-About Plug-ins, I see all the installed plug-ins are pointing 
  to the old NS4.7 Plugins folder. How do I transfer all those "file 
types" and "mime types" settings from my NS4.7 over to new NS6.2? Is it 
possible? How?

Thx
Henry

Re: Ho to masquerade Mozilla?


Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
> Sören Kuklau wrote:
>> True. That's what I don't like about Opera.
>>
>> It's like "we can't implement DOM properly, but at least we can mess 
>> up user agents".

> Mozilla isn't perfect either.

I didn't claim so. Mozilla nowhere (afaict) claims to provide the best 
internet experience. Opera _does_.

> You should read the thread 'proposing changes to "user-agent string"' in 
> netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey.

I know about it.

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Re: Suggestion for Messenger


Kreg Steppe wrote:
> I have a suggestion, albit a visual one.
> I think that the messenger would be easier to look at if it had 
> alternating background colors for the message list.
> Like:
> Lt. Gray
> White
> Lt. Gray
> White
> and so on.
> 
> Thanks...

Hmm. If I'm not mistaken, it's up to the Outliner to do this. Sounds 
like a good suggestion though.


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Re: Suggestion for Messenger

2002-01-29 Thread Pratik

On 01/29/2002 11:12 AM, Kreg Steppe wrote:
> I have a suggestion, albit a visual one.
> I think that the messenger would be easier to look at if it had 
> alternating background colors for the message list.
> Like:
> Lt. Gray
> White
> Lt. Gray
> White
> and so on.

I guess this is what themes are for. You might be able to do this by 
adding the following code in your userChrome.css

/* Change the background colour of the messages (top right hand
  * pane in 3-pane view) of Mail/News from gray to white.
  */
outliner {
  background-color : white !important;
}

Source - http://www.mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html

Let me know if it works.

Pratik.

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Re: OT Re: different WindowMaker icons for different sub-apps

Travis Crump wrote:
> I just got a hysterical mental image of someone using windowmaker under 
> Windows(theoretically it may be possible since XFree and KDE have both 
> been ported to Windows).  Windowmaker is a window manager for linux(the 
> other major ones being Sawfish and Enlightenment which I use). :))
> 

I know sawfish and enlightenment, but do not delve much into the realm 
of linux. I was unsure if this was a windows add-on or a linux 
windowmanager.

grayrest

Multiple Users, single Profile - Windows NT

2002-01-29 Thread sigemund


I work in an academic environment, and want to migrate the school from
Netscape 4.78 to Mozilla, or at least have Mozilla as an option on
student computers (this is a High School).

One of the reasons we've used NS 4.78 for so long is because there's
no profile stuff.  In this environment, I don't want any of mozilla's
profile selecting options, or anything like that.  Just to have one,
unified profile for all users on each machine would be great.

Currently, we run a Novell Network with Windows NT as the machines'
OS.  Netscape 4.78 is on the student computers (computer labs,
library, etc.), with Novell's Workstation Manager allowing students to
login on any machine.  What that does is creates a Windows NT user
profile, then deletes it on logout.  Each machine will have around 30
users login per day.
I know the benefits of profiles, etc., but in this case, is there a
way that I can bypass that, or perhaps set all the users to point to
one specific profile, with options that I have selected?

Perhaps another insight would be helpful -- because each user's
profile is deleted from Windows NT on logout, the Mozilla selections
will be deleted as well.  Therefore, every time a user logs in, it
comes up with a "Convert Profile from Netscape" box.  I would like to
eliminate that, and have it just use a standard profile that I could
set up and save on the C drive.  Any suggestions?

Re: Suggestion for Messenger


Pratik wrote:
> On 01/29/2002 11:12 AM, Kreg Steppe wrote:
> 
>> I have a suggestion, albit a visual one.
>> I think that the messenger would be easier to look at if it had 
>> alternating background colors for the message list.
>> Like:
>> Lt. Gray
>> White
>> Lt. Gray
>> White
>> and so on.
> 
> 
> I guess this is what themes are for. You might be able to do this by 
> adding the following code in your userChrome.css
> 
> /* Change the background colour of the messages (top right hand
>  * pane in 3-pane view) of Mail/News from gray to white.
>  */
> outliner {
>  background-color : white !important;
> }
> 
> Source - http://www.mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html
> 
> Let me know if it works.

Tried it, didn't change anything, nor did I expect it to - where in your 
code is light grey mentioned?


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Re: Mozilla's disk caching is flakey

2002-01-29 Thread Steve Snyder

Bradley Baetz wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:06:18 -0500, Steve Snyder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> The disk caching in Mozilla (at least in versions 0.9.2 - 0.9.7) is
>> unreliable in my experience.
>> 
>> On a Linux box (RedHat v7.2 /w 2.4.1x kernel) I download the SRPMS
>> package from Mozilla's FTP site, then build and install the binaries.
>> 
> 
> FTP files are never cached. The reason for this is that if you cached
> large downloads, you'd end up blowing out your cache file with just ftp
> data. FTP tends to involve larger files than http.

Perhaps I expressed myself badly.  I do not expect Moz to cache files 
gotten via FTP.  I mentioned FTP at all to illustrate that the Moz code in 
question was gotten from a known-good location (ftp.mozilla.org).

Thanks.

Re: Suggestion for Messenger

2002-01-29 Thread Pratik

On 01/29/2002 01:05 PM, Sören Kuklau wrote:

>>I guess this is what themes are for. You might be able to do this by 
>>adding the following code in your userChrome.css
>>
>>/* Change the background colour of the messages (top right hand
>> * pane in 3-pane view) of Mail/News from gray to white.
>> */
>>outliner {
>> background-color : white !important;
>>}
>>
>>Source - http://www.mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html
>>
>>Let me know if it works.
>>
> 
> Tried it, didn't change anything, nor did I expect it to - where in your 
> code is light grey mentioned?

Um.. I just cutpasted the code thinking you'd change the colour value to 
whatever you wanted. Did you try changing the colour to something else? 
Right now I have my Mail/News window is filled with a blazing red 
background. You need to replace the line

background-color : white !important;

with

background-color : red !important;
or
background-color : #669933 !important;  /* an ugly shade of green */
or
background-color : rgb(192,192,192) !important; /* a somewhat gray colour */

See http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_colorsfull.asp for a variety of 
shades of gray.

Pratik.
Pratik.

Re: Suggestion for Messenger

Pratik wrote:
> On 01/29/2002 01:05 PM, Sören Kuklau wrote:
> 
> Um.. I just cutpasted the code thinking you'd change the colour value to 
> whatever you wanted. Did you try changing the colour to something else? 
> Right now I have my Mail/News window is filled with a blazing red 
> background. You need to replace the line

Nonono... You didn't understand the purpose of the original topic. What 
we want is _alternating_ backgrounds. Line one has white, line two has 
light grey, line three has white, line four has light grey, and so on. 
This is often used for to be able to easier distinguish between several 
lines in a table.

I doubt this is possible simply through CSS, as it would require control 
over the affected lines. Every second line is supposed to be light grey.

Thanks for trying though ;-)

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Re: Suggestion for Messenger

2002-01-29 Thread Parish


Pratik wrote:

> On 01/29/2002 01:05 PM, Sören Kuklau wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>>>I guess this is what themes are for. You might be able to do this by 
>>>adding the following code in your userChrome.css
>>>
>>>/* Change the background colour of the messages (top right hand
>>> * pane in 3-pane view) of Mail/News from gray to white.
>>> */
>>>outliner {
>>> background-color : white !important;
>>>}
>>>
>>>Source - http://www.mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html
>>>
>>>Let me know if it works.
>>>
>> 
>> Tried it, didn't change anything, nor did I expect it to - where in your 
>> code is light grey mentioned?
> 
> Um.. I just cutpasted the code thinking you'd change the colour value to 
> whatever you wanted. Did you try changing the colour to something else? 
> Right now I have my Mail/News window is filled with a blazing red 
> background. You need to replace the line
> 
> background-color : white !important;
> 
> with
> 
> background-color : red !important;
> or


I think Sören was being sarcastic :-) I tried it too (after changing the 
colour) but it causes a problem (24 hour old build, W2K, Modern theme) 
in that when you select a message, then select another, the first 
message still shows in the selected colours until you scroll up/down.

Anyway, the original poster was suggesting alternating white/grey lines 
not just changing the background colour. Hey, maybe we could make the 
default to be alternating red and yellow like the "zebra stripes" in 
Windiff ;-)



> background-color : #669933 !important;  /* an ugly shade of green */
> or
> background-color : rgb(192,192,192) !important; /* a somewhat gray colour */
> 
> See http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_colorsfull.asp for a variety of 
> shades of gray.
> 
> Pratik.
> Pratik.
> 
> 



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Re: Suggestion for Messenger

2002-01-29 Thread Pratik


On 01/29/2002 01:24 PM, Sören Kuklau wrote:
> Pratik wrote:
> 
>>On 01/29/2002 01:05 PM, Sören Kuklau wrote:
>>
>>Um.. I just cutpasted the code thinking you'd change the colour value to 
>>whatever you wanted. Did you try changing the colour to something else? 
>>Right now I have my Mail/News window is filled with a blazing red 
>>background. You need to replace the line
>>
> 
> Nonono... You didn't understand the purpose of the original topic. 

Ooopss.. I guess I didn't read carefully. I don't know how to get 
alternate lines.

Pratik.

Re: Mail notification icon

2002-01-29 Thread gandalf


On a related point, am I the only one who does NOT see the new mail icon 
in the system tray with the latest win32 nightlies?  Why doesn't that 
icon appear?

Re: Standards compatible web pages?

2002-01-29 Thread Chris Waterson


DeMoN LaG wrote:

> Just got around to trying with a new CVS build, crashes here in 
> nsChildIterator.h:
> 
>   already_AddRefed get() const {
> nsIContent* result = nsnull;
> if (mNodes) {
>   nsCOMPtr node;
>   mNodes->Item(mIndex, getter_AddRefs(node));
>   CallQueryInterface(node, &result);
>  
> Node is null.  I can do Green -> Blue -> None -> 
> Blue -> None -> etc over and over, but going back to green kills it.  
> Can't find any bugs with libpr0n.com in the URL, or searching for 
> libpron or libpr0n in the summry, so I'm filing a new one: bug #122321
> 

?

chris

Navigator <-> Mozilla

2002-01-29 Thread Georg Bremer


Hi

When Mozilla 1.0 is released will Netscape take the code into the
Navigator etc.? Is Netscape fixing the bugs that appear in Mozilla in
their 'own' browser too? Or get Netscape the fixes from Mozilla? Or in
which way are Mozilla and Netscape are working together?
Im asking because Netscape is beyond Mozillas development state. Maybe
Netscape just dont want to annoy ppl with weekly releases, Im not sure.

At the moment there are just two stupid reasons why Im using N6.2 and
not mozillas newest release: I like the "Fog City" theme (which didnt
work with Mozilla) and the Netscape Logo, just because its an old rival
of MS.

greets

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Re: plugins

2002-01-29 Thread Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.


Actual setting of plugins hasn't been turned on yet. (At least on Mac
Platform, not sure if it has been on PC/Unix either.) (Also not sure if
it will be.)

"Henry@VIC" wrote:
> 
> I have only recently upgraded my NS4.7 to 6.2. While NS4.7 is still
> remain installed on my PC, NS6.2 is having some problem opening special
> links ( ie. video, audio... stuff that needs plugins). All I get is a
> page of garbage text.
> 
> When I check the NS6.2 setting in Preference-Navigator-Helper
> Applications-File Types, the only entry is "text/html". But if I look
> under Help-About Plug-ins, I see all the installed plug-ins are pointing
>   to the old NS4.7 Plugins folder. How do I transfer all those "file
> types" and "mime types" settings from my NS4.7 over to new NS6.2? Is it
> possible? How?
> 
> Thx
> Henry

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Re: a small question

2002-01-29 Thread Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.


can't use a green dino. A company that makes a plugin for Communicator
called MacZilla has rights to a Green Dino.

Jonathan Wilson wrote:
> 
>  From what I have read, mozilla.org owns the trademark on the red dino
> head and thats why its not being used as an icon for mozilla.
> 
> My question then is:
> What is wrong with using these icons?
> http://www.grayrest.com/moz/icons.html
> (asside from the red dino head one of course)
> Is there any particular reason why these ones cant be used?
> It sounds like a good solution:
> 1.none of the icons use anything even remotly "communist"...
> 2.Given that the icons and imagery was specificly created for the
> mozilla project, there wouldnt be any licencing/copyright issues would
> there (unlike where mozilla.org needs to protect its copyright and
> trademark on the red dino head)

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Evey time I select the address book... it locks up.

2002-01-29 Thread conam


The address book locks up.   I can't even get a look at it.  Anyone
else haveing a similar problem. 

Does this need a bug report?

Re: Standards compatible web pages?

2002-01-29 Thread DeMoN LaG


Chris Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in news:3C56F53F.5010002
@netscape.com, on 29 Jan 2002:

> 
> ?
> 
> chris

Yes.  My bug was marked a dupe.  The original bug didn't have any 100% 
reproducable test case, however since the stacks are the same in both 
bugs, I believe libpr0n.com should provide a nice working testcase that 
can be investigated with

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Re: plugins

2002-01-29 Thread DeMoN LaG


"Henry@VIC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 29 Jan 2002: 

>   to the old NS4.7 Plugins folder. How do I transfer all those
>   "file 
> types" and "mime types" settings from my NS4.7 over to new NS6.2?
> Is it possible? How?

You don't.  You copy the plugins from your NS4.x plugins folder to the 
N6.2 plugins folder.  The plugins are not registered as file and mime 
types.  They will automatically load and handle the content on their own

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Re: Multiple Users, single Profile - Windows NT

2002-01-29 Thread dman84


sigemund wrote:
> I work in an academic environment, and want to migrate the school from
> Netscape 4.78 to Mozilla, or at least have Mozilla as an option on
> student computers (this is a High School).
> 
> One of the reasons we've used NS 4.78 for so long is because there's
> no profile stuff.  In this environment, I don't want any of mozilla's
> profile selecting options, or anything like that.  Just to have one,
> unified profile for all users on each machine would be great.
> 
> Currently, we run a Novell Network with Windows NT as the machines'
> OS.  Netscape 4.78 is on the student computers (computer labs,
> library, etc.), with Novell's Workstation Manager allowing students to
> login on any machine.  What that does is creates a Windows NT user
> profile, then deletes it on logout.  Each machine will have around 30
> users login per day.
> I know the benefits of profiles, etc., but in this case, is there a
> way that I can bypass that, or perhaps set all the users to point to
> one specific profile, with options that I have selected?
> 
> Perhaps another insight would be helpful -- because each user's
> profile is deleted from Windows NT on logout, the Mozilla selections
> will be deleted as well.  Therefore, every time a user logs in, it
> comes up with a "Convert Profile from Netscape" box.  I would like to
> eliminate that, and have it just use a standard profile that I could
> set up and save on the C drive.  Any suggestions?
> 

setup mozilla so the default profile directory is in the 'all users' or 
guest directory it wont get trashed on Logout.

Re: Navigator <-> Mozilla

2002-01-29 Thread DeMoN LaG


Georg Bremer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
a36s40$tlk$03$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:a36s40$tlk$03$[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 29 Jan 2002: 

> When Mozilla 1.0 is released will Netscape take the code into the
> Navigator etc.? Is Netscape fixing the bugs that appear in Mozilla
> in their 'own' browser too? Or get Netscape the fixes from Mozilla?
> Or in which way are Mozilla and Netscape are working together?
> Im asking because Netscape is beyond Mozillas development state.
> Maybe Netscape just dont want to annoy ppl with weekly releases, Im
> not sure. 
> 

Mozilla is always evolving.  The way it works is this:
Mozilla goes along happily doing nightlys and having milestones and 
everyone works on the Mozilla trunk.  At some point, the Netscape people 
say "Hey, let's get Netscape 6.2 out the door!", and Netscape branches 
off from the next milestone (in the case of 6.2, Mozilla .9.4).  They do 
work to fix any major issues, add things like Netscape IM, Webmail, etc, 
and they release Netscape 6.2.  Then they go back to working on the main 
mozilla trunk again.  It's weird, because most programs do something 
like:

Version 1.0 -> Version 1.1 -> version 1.2, etc.  The code from 1.1 is 
the same as 1.0, it's just been updated.  Netscape 6.1 is not really the 
same kind of upgrade from 6.0.  6.0 was taken off the Mozilla trunk and 
released.  Then like 6 months later, 6.1 was taken off the trunk and 
released.  6.0 itself wasn't really upgraded to 6.1, if you get what I'm 
saying.  If not, nevermind this whole paragraph

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Re: Navigator <-> Mozilla

2002-01-29 Thread yatsu

Georg Bremer wrote:

> Hi
> 
> When Mozilla 1.0 is released will Netscape take the code into the
> Navigator etc.? Is Netscape fixing the bugs that appear in Mozilla in
> their 'own' browser too? Or get Netscape the fixes from Mozilla? Or in
> which way are Mozilla and Netscape are working together?
> Im asking because Netscape is beyond Mozillas development state. Maybe
> Netscape just dont want to annoy ppl with weekly releases, Im not sure.
> 
> At the moment there are just two stupid reasons why Im using N6.2 and
> not mozillas newest release: I like the "Fog City" theme (which didnt
> work with Mozilla) and the Netscape Logo, just because its an old rival
> of MS.

While i'm sure the majority of the people watching this list is more 
qualified to answer this, I'll try to save some of their time.

Netscape and Mozilla use the same codebase. When Netscape feels it's 
time for a new release they make a copy of the codebase (a branch off the 
trunk) and continue developement on that branch until it's considered 
release ready. They release a new Netscape build and eventually discard the 
branch (often taking along bugfixes and applying them back to the branch) 
and continue developement on the trunk. 

Most of the time Netscape programmers and 'Mozilla' (actually, read that as 
'all the other developers from EOne (sp?), Redhat, Beonix (sp again? heh).. 
etc) programmers work on mozilla side by side, each with their own 
priorities set by the company they work for, or just bugs they want to see 
fixed.

In the end everyone is working towards the same goal: making Mozilla a good 
browser/app suite/platform.

-yatsu

PS. I used Netscape for exactly the same reason; the icon, wow! heh

Re: Navigator <-> Mozilla

Georg Bremer wrote:
> Hi
> 
> When Mozilla 1.0 is released will Netscape take the code into the
> Navigator etc.?

Yes. Netscape 6.5 or 7.0 will probably be a Mozilla 1.0-based product.

> Is Netscape fixing the bugs that appear in Mozilla in
> their 'own' browser too?

See below.

> Or get Netscape the fixes from Mozilla?

Yes.

> Or in which way are Mozilla and Netscape are working together?

Netscape founded Mozilla.org, but Mozilla is now a product on which 
other browsers - like Netscape, Skipstone, Galeon, and others - are based.

> Im asking because Netscape is beyond Mozillas development state.

?!

Netscape has some extra features, true, but Mozilla is a lot more 
advanced. The most recent Netscape release is based on Mozilla 0.9.4.1. 
Mozilla 0.9.8 is nearly finished already though.

> Maybe Netscape just dont want to annoy ppl with weekly releases, Im not sure.

Mozilla milestones are usually released in a five-week-cycle. See the 
Roadmap page.

Mozilla is not an end-user browser, but more of a development platform. 
Thus, it's released quite regularly.

> At the moment there are just two stupid reasons why Im using N6.2 and
> not mozillas newest release: I like the "Fog City" theme (which didnt
> work with Mozilla)

  APIs - on which Themes are based - have yet to receive a feature 
freeze (which will happen along with Themes need to be updated to work 
with newer Mozilla releases as the XULMozilla 1.0).

> and the Netscape Logo, just because its an old rival of MS.

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Re: Evey time I select the address book... it locks up.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The address book locks up.   I can't even get a look at it.  Anyone
> else haveing a similar problem. 

What build ID, what platform?

> Does this need a bug report?

Couldn't do any harm.

-- 
Regards,
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: a small question

Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
> can't use a green dino. A company that makes a plugin for Communicator
> called MacZilla has rights to a Green Dino.

You can't copyright such simple stuff. I can't copyright the letter 'S' 
or a pink dog either, hmm?

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Navigator <-> Mozilla


Georg Bremer wrote:

> When Mozilla 1.0 is released will Netscape take the code into the
> Navigator etc.? Is Netscape fixing the bugs that appear in Mozilla in
> their 'own' browser too? Or get Netscape the fixes from Mozilla? Or in
> which way are Mozilla and Netscape are working together?
> Im asking because Netscape is beyond Mozillas development state. Maybe
> Netscape just dont want to annoy ppl with weekly releases, Im not sure.
> 
> At the moment there are just two stupid reasons why Im using N6.2 and
> not mozillas newest release: I like the "Fog City" theme (which didnt
> work with Mozilla) and the Netscape Logo, just because its an old rival
> of MS.

You should try reading 
 and 
. 


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pda: is there a plan for an ipaq version?

2002-01-29 Thread jonathan chetwynd


anyone know?

Re: a small question

Sören Kuklau wrote:

>> can't use a green dino. A company that makes a plugin for Communicator
>> called MacZilla has rights to a Green Dino.
> 
> You can't copyright such simple stuff. I can't copyright the letter 'S' 
> or a pink dog either, hmm?

If Intel can trademark the letter 'I', why can't some other company 
copyright the letter 'S'?

(Yes, Intel really did trademark 'I'. See 
, category "We have enough money to 
buy anything".)

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Re: Evey time I select the address book... it locks up.


Sören Kuklau wrote:

 > User-Agent: Mozilla/0.98 (Windows; U; Windows XP; de) Gecko/20010929

Huh? Where did that UA string come from?

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Re: zip vs installer

2002-01-29 Thread Will Dormann

Todd Geib wrote:
> For testing of nightly builds for win32 does it make any difference 
> whether you use the installer or the zip file?  Are there things in the 
> installer that I should be doing if I use the zip file?

I use the zip file, and it works fine.
In fact, it lets me use a batch file to automate the whole process.

-WD

Re: Navigator <-> Mozilla

2002-01-29 Thread yatsu


yatsu wrote:

> Georg Bremer wrote:
> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> When Mozilla 1.0 is released will Netscape take the code into the
>> Navigator etc.? Is Netscape fixing the bugs that appear in Mozilla in
>> their 'own' browser too? Or get Netscape the fixes from Mozilla? Or in
>> which way are Mozilla and Netscape are working together?
>> Im asking because Netscape is beyond Mozillas development state. Maybe
>> Netscape just dont want to annoy ppl with weekly releases, Im not sure.
> Netscape and Mozilla use the same codebase. When Netscape feels it's
> time for a new release they make a copy of the codebase (a branch off the
> trunk) and continue developement on that branch until it's considered
> release ready. They release a new Netscape build and eventually discard
> the branch (often taking along bugfixes and applying them back to the
> branch) and continue developement on the trunk.
 
make that: (often taking along bugfixes and applying them back to the trunk)

Re: Navigator <-> Mozilla

2002-01-29 Thread Georg Bremer

On 1/29/02 9:28 PM, Sören Kuklau wrote:

> Georg Bremer wrote:

>

>> Im asking because Netscape is beyond Mozillas development state.
> 
> ?!

Argh, Im sorry. Took the wrong word: I ment /is behind/. Forgive me,
this was a bad failure in my speech centre. Should fix it, eh? ;-)

> Mozilla is not an end-user browser, but more of a development platform.
> Thus, it's released quite regularly.

Yep, np. /annoy/ was ment in reference to those (Netscape-users), who
arent interested in downloading current (test) versions every few weeks.
Mozilla is growing while Netscape /should be/ a finished product.

Thank you and you all for your endurance and your answers. The whole
open source project is fascinating me, unfortunaly Im only good enough
for JavaScript/PHP-Coding ;-)

greets

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Re: a small question

2002-01-29 Thread Travis Crump

There isn't much explanation at that link so I could be wrong, but I am 
sure that Intel just has a representation of 'I' trademarked(or else why 
would they be applying for another patent on the letter 'I'?).  A lot of 
companies do this and it doesn't mean that I can't start a computer 
company and have my logo being a stylized I and trademark, it just can't 
look identical to Intel's.  Likewise, MacZilla doesn't have a trademark 
on every green dinosaur, they merely have a trademark on their specific 
representaion of a green dinosaur.

Standard IANAL disclaimer...

Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
> Sören Kuklau wrote:
> 
>>> can't use a green dino. A company that makes a plugin for Communicator
>>> called MacZilla has rights to a Green Dino.
>>
>>
>> You can't copyright such simple stuff. I can't copyright the letter 
>> 'S' or a pink dog either, hmm?
> 
> 
> If Intel can trademark the letter 'I', why can't some other company 
> copyright the letter 'S'?
> 
> (Yes, Intel really did trademark 'I'. See 
> , category "We have enough money to 
> buy anything".)
>

Re: a small question

Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
> Sören Kuklau wrote:
>>> can't use a green dino. A company that makes a plugin for Communicator
>>> called MacZilla has rights to a Green Dino.

>> You can't copyright such simple stuff. I can't copyright the letter 
>> 'S' or a pink dog either, hmm?

> If Intel can trademark the letter 'I'

They can't.

> , why can't some other company 
> copyright the letter 'S'?
> 
> (Yes, Intel really did trademark 'I'. See 
> , category "We have enough money to 
> buy anything".)

I'm pretty sure that trademark is not valid. There is that trademark 
with the emoticon (was it ";-)"?) which iirc wasn't valid either. And 
then there's the "Deutsche Telekom" (German Telecom, our former 
monopolist telecom company) who tried to trademark both magenta (yes, 
the color. they use it all over their subsidiaries) and 'T' (big 'T' 
letter, same reason), and iirc failed too.

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Re: Navigator <-> Mozilla


Georg Bremer wrote:
> On 1/29/02 9:28 PM, Sören Kuklau wrote:
>>Georg Bremer wrote:
>>>Im asking because Netscape is beyond Mozillas development state.

>>?!

> Argh, Im sorry. Took the wrong word: I ment /is behind/. Forgive me,
> this was a bad failure in my speech centre. Should fix it, eh? ;-)

I guessed so when my post was nearly finished, but didn't want to 
rewrite it just due to a guess :-)

Well Netscape is behind, but read the branch <=> trunk explanations 
others posted. If you don't understand, I can try to explain in German 
(I think you're German - both your name and your e-mail address suggest 
it). ("trunk" is "[Baum]stamm" and "branch" is "Zweig". So you have a 
thick trunk, of which every few weeks branches are built, e.g. 
"Abzweigungen". From them, actual end-user products like Netscape 6.2 
are made. The same time though, trunk development / evolution goes on. 
So in a way, the branch-based product is always behind.)

>>Mozilla is not an end-user browser, but more of a development platform.
>>Thus, it's released quite regularly.

> Yep, np. /annoy/ was ment in reference to those (Netscape-users), who
> arent interested in downloading current (test) versions every few weeks.
> Mozilla is growing while Netscape /should be/ a finished product.

Exactly! :-)

> Thank you and you all for your endurance and your answers. The whole
> open source project is fascinating me, unfortunaly Im only good enough
> for JavaScript/PHP-Coding ;-)

The interface of Mozilla is based on XUL (XML UI Language). As the name 
suggests, it's an XML-based language. The presentation is mainly done 
with CSS, and the functionality with JavaScript. So if you are good in 
one of these, and once you've learned about how to get involved with 
Mozilla (took me _ages_ ;-) and I'm still far from a real contributor), 
you might be able to help more than you think you can.
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Re: Changing email address for Mozilla's bugzilla account?

2002-01-29 Thread Phil Edwards


Jonas =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F8rgensen?=  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> grayrest wrote:
> 
> > I think gerv handles all these cases. Dig up his email of bugzilla or 
> > type "word gerv" on irc://moznet/#mozillazine to get his word listing.
> 
> His email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks!  I'll drop him a note (I don't have IRC).


Phil

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Help request for rendered objects in Gecko

2002-01-29 Thread Nicola Baldini


Hi all,

i need to know if it is possible to get the complete list of objects 
rendered by mozilla layout with their width, height and absolute 
position in the page (i.e. the rectagle containing a portion of text or 
an image).

If yes where can I find some examples of this?

Thanks in advance.
Nicola

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Re: pda: is there a plan for an ipaq version?

2002-01-29 Thread JTK


jonathan chetwynd wrote:
> anyone know?
> 

Yep.  Comes with its own car battery and and a 128MB memory module.

Re: Mail notification icon

2002-01-29 Thread Martin Poirier

I don't see it too on Win98SE, mozilla trunk builds 20020126, 20020127, 
20020128 and 20020129. What I tried to solve the problem:

Enable quicklaunch (usually disabled on my machine, but I guess it must 
be enabled to see an icon).
Disable password encryption (I'm not sure if the feature would work if 
someone is using encryption to protect sensitive data)
Trying with a new profile.

Nothing solved the problem. I wonder what happens with this feature, but 
we're not alone, others reported this problem in

http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119344
and
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18729

but nobody helped us so far.

gandalf wrote:

> On a related point, am I the only one who does NOT see the new mail 
> icon in the system tray with the latest win32 nightlies?  Why doesn't 
> that icon appear?
>

Re: ekrock's standards page... new location?

2002-01-29 Thread Scott I. Remick


In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Scott I. Remick wrote:
> > With the passing of sites.netscape.com, did ekrock have a chance to move 
> > his standards page somewhere else?
> > 
> > 
> 
> It's now at http://www.stopbadtherapy.com/standards.shtml

Er... no it's not ;)

Any other guesses?

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about the mozilla session history

2002-01-29 Thread SARA HUSSEIN


hello,

we are University students and would like to work on Mozilla for our
upcoming project. Our project will be to make some modifications with the
back button of mozilla. We are still reading documentation and using
the cross referencer to lead us into that direction. Do you quite possibly
know where we can find that code??

-as well, perhaps where the linked list of the frames/session history are
declared and implemented?

-What does the docSHell tree architecture have to do with the session
history?

thank you

Re: pda: is there a plan for an ipaq version?


jonathan chetwynd wrote:
> anyone know?
> 

I don't think there's any plans ATM, the mozilla suite itself is fairly 
processor/memory intensive even for desktops. The gecko core, however, 
could probably be ported without great difficulty, stripped down, and 
stuck in a PDA.

grayrest

Re: Help request for rendered objects in Gecko

Nicola Baldini wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> i need to know if it is possible to get the complete list of objects 
> rendered by mozilla layout with their width, height and absolute 
> position in the page (i.e. the rectagle containing a portion of text or 
> an image).
> 
> If yes where can I find some examples of this?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> Nicola
> 

Tasks>tools>DOMInspector. If you installed the DOM inspector, you can 
get all the info you need to know by firing it up, loading up a page 
(open a browser window, navigate to the page you want, copy/paste the 
url into the DOMInspector URLBar). The objects show up as a tree, you 
can either navigate that tree or click the button just below the file 
menu, which is "jump to whatever is clicked on". Beware clicking on 
links, though, the browser window at the bottom of the window is fully 
functional and there is no way of going back. The upper right pane can 
have its contents changed, the most interesting to you will be "Computed 
Style" and "CSS Style Rules".

grayrest
"The DOMInspector is the greatest thing since sliced bread."--me

Re: about the mozilla session history