ANN: Database Workbench 2.4 released
Ladies, gentlemen, There's a new tool in town - Upscene Productions is proud to announce: Database Workbench for MySQL Download a trial: http://www.upscene.com Documentation: http://www.upscene.com/documentation/dbw For years, the workbench series has been helping InterBase and Firebird database developers all over the world - and now, it has become an even more versatile tool. Version 2.4 adds MySQL support, becoming a cross-database engine development tool for your needs. Features include: * Multi Engine - MySQL 4 - MS SQL Server 7, 2000, MSDE 1 MSDE 2 - Borland InterBase 4.x, 5.x, 6.x, 7.x - Firebird 1.x, 1.5 * Schema Migrator tool - convert from legacy ADO/ODBC datasources - quickly copy existing objects to other databases * Datapump - transfer data from MS SQL, ADO or ODBC datasources - schedule the command line version to do this regularly * Object Editors - easily create, alter and drop database objects - editors help to avoid errors - no need to write error prone SQL/DDL statements - BLOB editor to add/change/view your binary data * Test Data Generator - generate thousands of rows of meaningfull test data - includes a large repository of real-life names, addresses etc * Metadata Printing - print lists of tables, indices and other database objects - many options to customize the output * Import/Export - Import data from CSV - Export to many different formats, including CSV and XML * Many other usefull features and tools available... Download your trial at http://www.upscene.com If you experience any problems with this new version, don't hestitate and either go to the website and send a support email or email directly to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you your support, Martijn Tonies Database Workbench - the database developer tool for professionals Upscene Productions http://www.upscene.com -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ANN: Database Workbench 2.4 released
Hi Martjin, How do I install this tool on a Unix, Linux or BSD based machine ? Why does it say on the page 1) Receiving upgrades is not time limited. and 2) The license itself isn't time limited - but there is a 20% yearly renewal fee for maintenance and support (updates etc) on the driver after the first year. ??? I found this a) confusing and b) I would prefer a one time fee. The module system is probably a nice idea, but shouldnt that allow to offer the drivers for a reasonable price ? I found 435$ for the full module software to expensive. I can get similar and better software easily for under 100$ - ( sometimes even free) which offer more features and reliability than your product. If you have the luck to find customers which are willing to pay this, than you are probably the most terrific sales person around for a while. All power to you. Best regards -- Nils Valentin Tokyo/Japan http://www.be-known-online.com/mysql/ On Monday 10 November 2003 19:01, Martijn Tonies wrote: Ladies, gentlemen, There's a new tool in town - Upscene Productions is proud to announce: Database Workbench for MySQL Download a trial: http://www.upscene.com Documentation: http://www.upscene.com/documentation/dbw For years, the workbench series has been helping InterBase and Firebird database developers all over the world - and now, it has become an even more versatile tool. Version 2.4 adds MySQL support, becoming a cross-database engine development tool for your needs. Features include: * Multi Engine - MySQL 4 - MS SQL Server 7, 2000, MSDE 1 MSDE 2 - Borland InterBase 4.x, 5.x, 6.x, 7.x - Firebird 1.x, 1.5 * Schema Migrator tool - convert from legacy ADO/ODBC datasources - quickly copy existing objects to other databases * Datapump - transfer data from MS SQL, ADO or ODBC datasources - schedule the command line version to do this regularly * Object Editors - easily create, alter and drop database objects - editors help to avoid errors - no need to write error prone SQL/DDL statements - BLOB editor to add/change/view your binary data * Test Data Generator - generate thousands of rows of meaningfull test data - includes a large repository of real-life names, addresses etc * Metadata Printing - print lists of tables, indices and other database objects - many options to customize the output * Import/Export - Import data from CSV - Export to many different formats, including CSV and XML * Many other usefull features and tools available... Download your trial at http://www.upscene.com If you experience any problems with this new version, don't hestitate and either go to the website and send a support email or email directly to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you your support, Martijn Tonies Database Workbench - the database developer tool for professionals Upscene Productions http://www.upscene.com -- Nils Valentin Tokyo/Japan http://www.be-known-online.com/mysql/ -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ANN: Database Workbench 2.4 released
Hi Nils, How do I install this tool on a Unix, Linux or BSD based machine ? The tool itself is Windows based - however, people are running it under Wine and similar emulators. See http://www.upscene.com/documentation/dbw_freebsd_wine.htm for an example. Why does it say on the page 1) Receiving upgrades is not time limited. and 2) The license itself isn't time limited - but there is a 20% yearly renewal fee for maintenance and support (updates etc) on the driver after the first year. The (2) part comes from a different product: InterXpress for Firebird and is not related to Database Workbench. There's a different header on the webpage above that part. I found this a) confusing and b) I would prefer a one time fee. If you read it like that, it actually is confusing :-) ... Is your web-page view perhaps messed up? The page is tested with IE and Opera and looks fine in both. The module system is probably a nice idea, but shouldnt that allow to offer the drivers for a reasonable price ? You are mixing two things, the driver product has nothing to do with Database Workbench. I found 435$ for the full module software to expensive. I can get similar and better software easily for under 100$ - ( sometimes even free) which offer more features and reliability than your product. I'm surprised you can say something like that just a few hours after release :-) Take another look: if you want to use Database Workbench for MySQL only, you can purchase a license for Euro 109,- not Euro 435,- ... If you want more database engines supported, the license price will increase. If you have the luck to find customers which are willing to pay this, than you are probably the most terrific sales person around for a while. All power to you. The InterBase and Firebird modules of Database Workbench have been successfull for quite some years and include many useful tools not offered in order applications. The per database engine modules allow you to make a difference between a one size fits all product, but still have the ability to use tools like the Test Data Generator or Schema Migration tool without the need to buy licenses for hundreds or thousands of Euros. With regards, Martijn Tonies Database Workbench - developer tool for InterBase, Firebird MS SQL Server. Upscene Productions http://www.upscene.com -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd: Re: ANN: Database Workbench 2.4 released
Hi List members, I just forward this for completeness of the thread . Best regards Nils Valentin Tokyo/Japan http://www.be-known-online.com/mysql - Hi Nils, How do I install this tool on a Unix, Linux or BSD based machine ? The tool itself is Windows based - however, people are running it under Wine and similar emulators. See http://www.upscene.com/documentation/dbw_freebsd_wine.htm for an example. That was 1 customer, yes thats right, but you dont want to argue that the performance will be the same ;-). From what I've heard, the performance is good. Wine is a good product, but it is more or less for an emergency and not for the everyday basis. There are already some products running on, but within limits. I'm also not saying that it should run on Unix, Linux or FreeBSD. I'm not argueing about it either. It's a Windows based tool, plain and simple. You can connect, of course, to other systems running MySQL. perhaps messed up? The page is tested with IE and Opera and looks fine in both. Thank you for asking. I am using Mozilla, Opera and Konqueror. It looks fine in all3 browsers, but it was not clear for me that the second note was only for the InterXpress for Firebird product. Thank you for confirming that at least the pages look the same :-) I believ it would help to list them up on separate pages or perhaps change the background colour slightly to make it more obvious. Perhaps a more detailed difference would enhance the page. Thank you for the suggestion. The module system is probably a nice idea, but shouldnt that allow to offer the drivers for a reasonable price ? You are mixing two things, the driver product has nothing to do with Database Workbench. I found 435$ for the full module software to expensive. I can get similar and better software easily for under 100$ - ( sometimes even free) which offer more features and reliability than your product. I'm surprised you can say something like that just a few hours after release :-) Take another look: if you want to use Database Workbench for MySQL only, you can purchase a license for Euro 109,- not Euro 435,- ... If you want more database engines supported, the license price will increase. The most critical point to me is that the combination of closed source/ features/price seesm to be a bit unlucky. Did you take a look at the features available? First it doesnt seem to be an open source product (and please correct me if I am wrong). Secodnly, I dont like the idea, that I have to buy for what is supposed to be an addon. That should be included. And the modul type should easily allow cheaper prices for the whole package. I'm unsure what you mean by addon in this particular context? Have a look at other products and let me know what you think; www.business.com/search/rslt_default.asp?r4=tquery=database +development+tool (over 100 tools introduced www.10xsoftware.com/products/ I'm unsure if any of their products are comparable. www.fabforce.net Case tool, without after-case development tools. www.minq.se Nice tool, but different feature set, $99. www.dbtools.com.br/EN/dbmanagerpro.php The enterprise version isn't available for purchase yet. www.ems-hitech.com $135 - which a lot less features, but does have a case tool (visual design) www.quest.com/solutions/database_management_products.asp If you have more than $2000,- then there are some nice tools available, but none of them MySQL related. For example, their test-data-generator tool is more expensive then Database Workbench including all modules. (10 tools introduced) www.linuxadvisor.net/doc/12029 ? www.macosguru.de/ MacOS tool. Looks pretty nice. www.easysoft.com/solutions/osx.phtml ODBC driver for MacOS. www.hallogram.com/dezign/ DeZign is a case tool There are 100^s more. Not all of them are open source. It depends strongly on which platform you are running the software. There are more - you're right about that. Most of the ones you listed are not open source though. And there are few good open source products out there - I'm not saying there aren't. Not at all. If you prefer open source, the one thing I can say: stick with it. There's no law telling you to buy tools. But have you tried Database Workbench before you wrote this email? If you're missing features, feel free to write me and they might be included in the next version. The InterBase and Firebird modules of Database Workbench have been successfull for quite some years and include many useful tools not offered in order applications. The per database engine modules allow you to make a difference between a one size fits all product, but still have the ability to use tools like the Test Data Generator The Test data generator is nowadays integrated in quite a few tools. or Schema Migration tool without the need to buy licenses for hundreds or
Fwd: Re: ANN: Database Workbench 2.4 released
Hi List members, I just forward this for completeness of the thread . Best regards Nils Valentin Tokyo/Japan http://www.be-known-online.com/mysql -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: ANN: Database Workbench 2.4 released Date: Tuesday 11 November 2003 23:47 From: Nils Valentin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martijn Tonies [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Martjin, On Monday 10 November 2003 19:50, Martijn Tonies wrote: Hi Nils, How do I install this tool on a Unix, Linux or BSD based machine ? The tool itself is Windows based - however, people are running it under Wine and similar emulators. See http://www.upscene.com/documentation/dbw_freebsd_wine.htm for an example. That was 1 customer, yes thats right, but you dont want to argue that the performance will be the same ;-). Wine is a good product, but it is more or less for an emergency and not for the everyday basis. There are already some products running on, but within limits. Why does it say on the page 1) Receiving upgrades is not time limited. and 2) The license itself isn't time limited - but there is a 20% yearly renewal fee for maintenance and support (updates etc) on the driver after the first year. The (2) part comes from a different product: InterXpress for Firebird and is not related to Database Workbench. There's a different header on the webpage above that part. I found this a) confusing and b) I would prefer a one time fee. If you read it like that, it actually is confusing :-) ... Is your web-page view perhaps messed up? The page is tested with IE and Opera and looks fine in both. Thank you for asking. I am using Mozilla, Opera and Konqueror. It looks fine in all3 browsers, but it was not clear for me that the second note was only for the InterXpress for Firebird product. I believ it would help to list them up on separate pages or perhaps change the background colour slightly to make it more obvious. The module system is probably a nice idea, but shouldnt that allow to offer the drivers for a reasonable price ? You are mixing two things, the driver product has nothing to do with Database Workbench. I found 435$ for the full module software to expensive. I can get similar and better software easily for under 100$ - ( sometimes even free) which offer more features and reliability than your product. I'm surprised you can say something like that just a few hours after release :-) Take another look: if you want to use Database Workbench for MySQL only, you can purchase a license for Euro 109,- not Euro 435,- ... If you want more database engines supported, the license price will increase. The most critical point to me is that the combination of closed source/ features/price seesm to be a bit unlucky. First it doesnt seem to be an open source product (and please correct me if I am wrong). Secodnly, I dont like the idea, that I have to buy for what is supposed to be an addon. That should be included. And the modul type should easily allow cheaper prices for the whole package. Have a look at other products and let me know what you think; www.business.com/search/rslt_default.asp?r4=tquery=database +development+tool (over 100 tools introduced www.10xsoftware.com/products/ www.fabforce.net www.minq.se www.dbtools.com.br/EN/dbmanagerpro.php www.ems-hitech.com www.quest.com/solutions/database_management_products.asp (10 tools introduced) www.linuxadvisor.net/doc/12029 www.macosguru.de/ www.easysoft.com/solutions/osx.phtml www.hallogram.com/dezign/ There are 100^s more. Not all of them are open source. It depends strongly on which platform you are running the software. If you have the luck to find customers which are willing to pay this, than you are probably the most terrific sales person around for a while. All power to you. The InterBase and Firebird modules of Database Workbench have been successfull for quite some years and include many useful tools not offered in order applications. The per database engine modules allow you to make a difference between a one size fits all product, but still have the ability to use tools like the Test Data Generator The Test data generator is nowadays integrated in quite a few tools. or Schema Migration tool without the need to buy licenses for hundreds or thousands of Euros. That might be correct, but I still believe that you must be a terrific sales person. Open source products can be installed on unlimited machines without buying any licenses ;-) (if you want to do so). Dont get me wrong if it is a good product it might well be worth paying for it, but right now I cant see that yet when I compare this to the 100^s of open source products out there. With regards, Martijn Tonies Database Workbench - developer tool for InterBase, Firebird MS SQL Server. Upscene Productions http://www.upscene.com kind regards -- Nils Valentin Tokyo/Japan http://www.be-known-online.com/mysql
Fwd: Re: ANN: Database Workbench 2.4 released
Hi List members, I just forward this for completeness of the thread . Best regards Nils Valentin Tokyo/Japan http://www.be-known-online.com/mysql -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: ANN: Database Workbench 2.4 released Date: Monday 10 November 2003 21:08 From: Martijn Tonies [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Nils, How do I install this tool on a Unix, Linux or BSD based machine ? The tool itself is Windows based - however, people are running it under Wine and similar emulators. See http://www.upscene.com/documentation/dbw_freebsd_wine.htm for an example. That was 1 customer, yes thats right, but you dont want to argue that the performance will be the same ;-). From what I've heard, the performance is good. Wine is a good product, but it is more or less for an emergency and not for the everyday basis. There are already some products running on, but within limits. I'm also not saying that it should run on Unix, Linux or FreeBSD. I'm not argueing about it either. It's a Windows based tool, plain and simple. You can connect, of course, to other systems running MySQL. perhaps messed up? The page is tested with IE and Opera and looks fine in both. Thank you for asking. I am using Mozilla, Opera and Konqueror. It looks fine in all3 browsers, but it was not clear for me that the second note was only for the InterXpress for Firebird product. Thank you for confirming that at least the pages look the same :-) I believ it would help to list them up on separate pages or perhaps change the background colour slightly to make it more obvious. Perhaps a more detailed difference would enhance the page. Thank you for the suggestion. The module system is probably a nice idea, but shouldnt that allow to offer the drivers for a reasonable price ? You are mixing two things, the driver product has nothing to do with Database Workbench. I found 435$ for the full module software to expensive. I can get similar and better software easily for under 100$ - ( sometimes even free) which offer more features and reliability than your product. I'm surprised you can say something like that just a few hours after release :-) Take another look: if you want to use Database Workbench for MySQL only, you can purchase a license for Euro 109,- not Euro 435,- ... If you want more database engines supported, the license price will increase. The most critical point to me is that the combination of closed source/ features/price seesm to be a bit unlucky. Did you take a look at the features available? First it doesnt seem to be an open source product (and please correct me if I am wrong). Secodnly, I dont like the idea, that I have to buy for what is supposed to be an addon. That should be included. And the modul type should easily allow cheaper prices for the whole package. I'm unsure what you mean by addon in this particular context? Have a look at other products and let me know what you think; www.business.com/search/rslt_default.asp?r4=tquery=database +development+tool (over 100 tools introduced www.10xsoftware.com/products/ I'm unsure if any of their products are comparable. www.fabforce.net Case tool, without after-case development tools. www.minq.se Nice tool, but different feature set, $99. www.dbtools.com.br/EN/dbmanagerpro.php The enterprise version isn't available for purchase yet. www.ems-hitech.com $135 - which a lot less features, but does have a case tool (visual design) www.quest.com/solutions/database_management_products.asp If you have more than $2000,- then there are some nice tools available, but none of them MySQL related. For example, their test-data-generator tool is more expensive then Database Workbench including all modules. (10 tools introduced) www.linuxadvisor.net/doc/12029 ? www.macosguru.de/ MacOS tool. Looks pretty nice. www.easysoft.com/solutions/osx.phtml ODBC driver for MacOS. www.hallogram.com/dezign/ DeZign is a case tool There are 100^s more. Not all of them are open source. It depends strongly on which platform you are running the software. There are more - you're right about that. Most of the ones you listed are not open source though. And there are few good open source products out there - I'm not saying there aren't. Not at all. If you prefer open source, the one thing I can say: stick with it. There's no law telling you to buy tools. But have you tried Database Workbench before you wrote this email? If you're missing features, feel free to write me and they might be included in the next version. The InterBase and Firebird modules of Database Workbench have been successfull for quite some years and include many useful tools not offered in order applications. The per database engine modules allow you to make a difference between a one size fits all product, but still have the ability to use tools
Fwd: Re: ANN: Database Workbench 2.4 released
Hi List members, I just forward this for completeness of the thread . Best regards Nils Valentin Tokyo/Japan http://www.be-known-online.com/mysql -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: ANN: Database Workbench 2.4 released Date: Wednesday 12 November 2003 01:00 From: Nils Valentin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martijn Tonies [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Martijn, thanks for the reply. You replied to me offline, so I keep it that way (if you want it so;-) I already mentioned that I like Open source products, there is a good reason for that, which I would like to explain. When I buy a product I want to use it for a long time. Ideally I want to be able to modify things within the software to my needs. An I believe that open source products are good for this, for other things as well. I installed the software on a Windows 98 machine. The lowest speck machine which I have (I always do this with new software). The speed seems to be reasonable (nothing to complain here ;-) I accessed a few Mysql databases when I got an Abstract error. I am not sure what caused the software to choke, but I had to restart my machine. When you choose the Blob Editor and try to access a database which you dont have access for then a screen tells me Access violation at address 4002F584 in module RTL70.BPL Read of address While the software contains possibly all kind of tools and features I dont think that the design of the interface is intuitive. The File menu has a point called Preferences. Is there a point in listing up the single sub sections when they lead to the same window containing all properties ? Also the functions should be grouped context sensitive. ( I believe DbVisualizer is a good sample here). See how the context of the menu changes with the user interactions (try the export functions). I would perhaps place the tool buttons on a vertical bar between the left and the right window, letting the image icons change depending which tool you have chosen to see. the tools would be shown in tabs, so that the user sees basically only 1 tab at a time (unless he wants to see more windows than he should be able to cascade the windows or arrange them on the screen). I dont believe in Error No xxx messages. The window should display the meaning for the user. f.e Not: error 1045 but: This combination of username, hostname,db and password is invalid. Also I dont like popup windows reminding me that I have to register the software evrytime when I start the software or click on a special feature. That can be mentioned decently in the statusbar once or always, but NO POPUPS - hope you got this ;-) The Wizard screens remind me of another software called SQLyog (available here http://www.webyog.com/) which was freely available for quite a while ;-) , its right now 30 - 50$. Perhaps the mixture of tools is unique the way you present them ;-) , but I certainly think that the GUI could need a good and thoroughly sorting for the functions. Think about it this way KISS - Keep it stupid simple. To many options is like trying to find your car key in the forest (or so ;-). Anyway thats my opinion. I could probaly go on like this for a while... At the end its the user who decides which products he likes and my result is that this product still needs lots of improvements regarding the GUIs intuitivity (and the pricing and the license model of course;-). Best regards Nils Valentin Tokyo/Japan On Monday 10 November 2003 21:08, you wrote: Hi Nils, How do I install this tool on a Unix, Linux or BSD based machine ? The tool itself is Windows based - however, people are running it under Wine and similar emulators. See http://www.upscene.com/documentation/dbw_freebsd_wine.htm for an example. That was 1 customer, yes thats right, but you dont want to argue that the performance will be the same ;-). From what I've heard, the performance is good. Wine is a good product, but it is more or less for an emergency and not for the everyday basis. There are already some products running on, but within limits. I'm also not saying that it should run on Unix, Linux or FreeBSD. I'm not argueing about it either. It's a Windows based tool, plain and simple. You can connect, of course, to other systems running MySQL. perhaps messed up? The page is tested with IE and Opera and looks fine in both. Thank you for asking. I am using Mozilla, Opera and Konqueror. It looks fine in all3 browsers, but it was not clear for me that the second note was only for the InterXpress for Firebird product. Thank you for confirming that at least the pages look the same :-) I believ it would help to list them up on separate pages or perhaps change the background colour slightly to make it more obvious. Perhaps a more detailed difference would enhance the page. Thank you for the suggestion. The module system is probably a nice idea, but shouldnt that allow
Fwd: Re: ANN: Database Workbench 2.4 released
Hi List members, I just forward this for completeness of the thread . Best regards Nils Valentin Tokyo/Japan http://www.be-known-online.com/mysql -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: ANN: Database Workbench 2.4 released Date: Monday 10 November 2003 22:15 From: Martijn Tonies [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Nils, thanks for the reply. You replied to me offline, so I keep it that way (if you want it so;-) Actually, you started it in the last reply :-) btw, thank you for your reply, I appreciate your comments. I already mentioned that I like Open source products, there is a good reason for that, which I would like to explain. When I buy a product I want to use it for a long time. Ideally I want to be able to modify things within the software to my needs. An I believe that open source products are good for this, for other things as well. They sure are good for that. Although I'm unsure if everything does it that way - on a personal account, I am using open source products as well, but never have felt the need to modify a single one of them. I installed the software on a Windows 98 machine. The lowest speck machine which I have (I always do this with new software). The speed seems to be reasonable (nothing to complain here ;-) I accessed a few Mysql databases when I got an Abstract error. If you could retrace your steps and explain what you're doing here, than it would be very useful. If you could give me simple instructions like step 1, do this, step 2, do that - I would very much like to have them. When you choose the Blob Editor and try to access a database which you dont have access for then a screen tells me Access violation at address 4002F584 in module RTL70.BPL Read of address Really? Can you explain in more detail? While the software contains possibly all kind of tools and features I dont think that the design of the interface is intuitive. The File menu has a point called Preferences. Is there a point in listing up the single sub sections when they lead to the same window containing all properties ? Actually, it has always been that way and no-one complained. Seems I gotta change the behaviour then :-) Also the functions should be grouped context sensitive. ( I believe DbVisualizer is a good sample here). See how the context of the menu changes with the user interactions (try the export functions). The main menu (top of the screen) is fixed. The context sensitive menus in the Enterprise Manager and Database Navigator change all the time. I would perhaps place the tool buttons on a vertical bar between the left and the right window, letting the image icons change depending which tool you have chosen to see. the tools would be shown in tabs, so that the user sees basically only 1 tab at a time (unless he wants to see more windows than he should be able to cascade the windows or arrange them on the screen). This is more of a UI preference. Many people like the current interface... I dont believe in Error No xxx messages. The window should display the meaning for the user. f.e Not: error 1045 but: This combination of username, hostname,db and password is invalid. Could you please clarify where this pops up? Would this error come straight from the MySQL client? Also I dont like popup windows reminding me that I have to register the software evrytime when I start the software or click on a special feature. That can be mentioned decently in the statusbar once or always, but NO POPUPS - hope you got this ;-) Sorry, that's a trial version... The Wizard screens remind me of another software called SQLyog (available here http://www.webyog.com/) which was freely available for quite a while ;-) , its right now 30 - 50$. Haha - I've seen that tool. You know what the biggest difference is between the wizards? My graphics were drawn by me while the SQLyog graphics were taken/copied from the Microsoft SQL Server Enterprise Manager tool. Every graphic in it. Perhaps the mixture of tools is unique the way you present them ;-) , but I certainly think that the GUI could need a good and thoroughly sorting for the functions. Think about it this way KISS - Keep it stupid simple. To many options is like trying to find your car key in the forest (or so ;-). Anyway thats my opinion. I could probaly go on like this for a while... At the end its the user who decides which products he likes and my result is that this product still needs lots of improvements regarding the GUIs intuitivity (and the pricing and the license model of course;-). Things improve over time, I believe that every release, beta-testers come up with new things that they like so and so. Of course, one can never argue about taste - I actually do get quite some comments saying that many tools can be found exactly where people expect them to be... :-) Could you please reply with a message with more info
Fwd: Re: ANN: Database Workbench 2.4 released
Hi List members, I just forward this for completeness of the thread . Best regards Nils Valentin Tokyo/Japan http://www.be-known-online.com/mysql -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: ANN: Database Workbench 2.4 released Date: Wednesday 12 November 2003 01:26 From: Nils Valentin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martijn Tonies [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Martijn , I was not aware of that I started to post offlist if its alright with you I post it also to the list. Give me moment. I will have dinner and then come back to each point so that you can follow it up and hopefully improve the product ;-). (I do this off the list from now) Nils Valentin Tokyo/Japan On Monday 10 November 2003 22:15, you wrote: Hi Nils, thanks for the reply. You replied to me offline, so I keep it that way (if you want it so;-) Actually, you started it in the last reply :-) btw, thank you for your reply, I appreciate your comments. I already mentioned that I like Open source products, there is a good reason for that, which I would like to explain. When I buy a product I want to use it for a long time. Ideally I want to be able to modify things within the software to my needs. An I believe that open source products are good for this, for other things as well. They sure are good for that. Although I'm unsure if everything does it that way - on a personal account, I am using open source products as well, but never have felt the need to modify a single one of them. I installed the software on a Windows 98 machine. The lowest speck machine which I have (I always do this with new software). The speed seems to be reasonable (nothing to complain here ;-) I accessed a few Mysql databases when I got an Abstract error. If you could retrace your steps and explain what you're doing here, than it would be very useful. If you could give me simple instructions like step 1, do this, step 2, do that - I would very much like to have them. When you choose the Blob Editor and try to access a database which you dont have access for then a screen tells me Access violation at address 4002F584 in module RTL70.BPL Read of address Really? Can you explain in more detail? While the software contains possibly all kind of tools and features I dont think that the design of the interface is intuitive. The File menu has a point called Preferences. Is there a point in listing up the single sub sections when they lead to the same window containing all properties ? Actually, it has always been that way and no-one complained. Seems I gotta change the behaviour then :-) Also the functions should be grouped context sensitive. ( I believe DbVisualizer is a good sample here). See how the context of the menu changes with the user interactions (try the export functions). The main menu (top of the screen) is fixed. The context sensitive menus in the Enterprise Manager and Database Navigator change all the time. I would perhaps place the tool buttons on a vertical bar between the left and the right window, letting the image icons change depending which tool you have chosen to see. the tools would be shown in tabs, so that the user sees basically only 1 tab at a time (unless he wants to see more windows than he should be able to cascade the windows or arrange them on the screen). This is more of a UI preference. Many people like the current interface... I dont believe in Error No xxx messages. The window should display the meaning for the user. f.e Not: error 1045 but: This combination of username, hostname,db and password is invalid. Could you please clarify where this pops up? Would this error come straight from the MySQL client? Also I dont like popup windows reminding me that I have to register the software evrytime when I start the software or click on a special feature. That can be mentioned decently in the statusbar once or always, but NO POPUPS - hope you got this ;-) Sorry, that's a trial version... The Wizard screens remind me of another software called SQLyog (available here http://www.webyog.com/) which was freely available for quite a while ;-) , its right now 30 - 50$. Haha - I've seen that tool. You know what the biggest difference is between the wizards? My graphics were drawn by me while the SQLyog graphics were taken/copied from the Microsoft SQL Server Enterprise Manager tool. Every graphic in it. Perhaps the mixture of tools is unique the way you present them ;-) , but I certainly think that the GUI could need a good and thoroughly sorting for the functions. Think about it this way KISS - Keep it stupid simple. To many options is like trying to find your car key in the forest (or so ;-). Anyway thats my opinion. I could probaly go on like this for a while... At the end its the user who decides which products he likes and my result
