License question on libmysql.dll and C/C++ API Version 4.0 question about Victoria Reznichenko response
Hello, Y read this message: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql/109590 and I would like to ask for authorization but I don´t see the email address in that thread (it says: sales@stripped). Can someone tell me that email address?. Thanks in advance. Claudia.
Re: License question on libmysql.dll and C/C++ API Version 4.0 question about Victoria Reznichenko response
Hello Claudia, On 6/18/2012 2:13 PM, Claudia Murialdo wrote: Hello, Y read this message: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql/109590 and I would like to ask for authorization but I don´t see the email address in that thread (it says: sales@stripped). Can someone tell me that email address?. Thanks in advance. Claudia. That link is 10 years old and that address is no longer valid. MySQL has been bought twice since then once directly by Sun Microsystems then again when Oracle purchased Sun. Your current questions need to be asked to Oracle. These numbers will route you to the appropriate resources http://www.oracle.com/us/support/contact-068555.html -- Shawn Green MySQL Principal Technical Support Engineer Oracle USA, Inc. - Hardware and Software, Engineered to Work Together. Office: Blountville, TN -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql
Re: license question
Hello. The complete answer could only be obtained from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pat Ballard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Suppose i distribute MySQL-4.1 with an appliance, which is a sealed x86 machine running a Linux distribution made by another entity (ok, it's Red Hat). I don't write any code that's directly linked to MySQL, I'm only using the existing php-mysql, etc., packages already provided by the distribution, plus some third-party apps that are under GPL and link to MySQL (applications that access MySQL, not written by me, but are Open Source GPL projects off SourceForge and other places - i just bundle them with the appliance). Any code that I write personally is PHP and sits on top of the php-mysql module provided by Red Hat. The end-user has no direct visibility to the database, in fact, the end-user might never know it's MySQL - all that is visible is the PHP interface, via Apache. In this case, what's the license? Is MySQL still free (under GPL)? -- For technical support contracts, goto https://order.mysql.com/?ref=ensita This email is sponsored by Ensita.NET http://www.ensita.net/ __ ___ ___ __ / |/ /_ __/ __/ __ \/ /Gleb Paharenko / /|_/ / // /\ \/ /_/ / /__ [EMAIL PROTECTED] /_/ /_/\_, /___/\___\_\___/ MySQL AB / Ensita.NET ___/ www.mysql.com -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Daevid Vincent wrote: As my company and I understand it, if you intend on distributing mySQL on this appliance and the appliance is a sealed box with your own proprietary code (like PHP or C or Java or whatever) that interfaces to the STOCK/Untouched RDBMS, you NEED a mySQL Commercial License. This license is a ridiculous $600 per unit which makes it completely unrealistic for any large scale deployment!!! I mean, I don't mind paying someone for their work, but I was thinking more like $50 per unit, not 10 times that. [snip] Daevid, The pricing you quote is for someone who is buying servers for their own business' use (i.e. 'enterprises'), and includes support, knowledge base access, alerts, etc., which is all part of a package called MySQL Network. If you're an ISV/OEM that wants to include MySQL in your product, you should contact [EMAIL PROTECTED], because the is dramatically different, but is negotiated per-situation based on the pricing model and revenue you'd be generating with your software. -Mark - -- Mark Matthews MySQL AB, Software Development Manager - Connectivity www.mysql.com MySQL User Conference (Santa Clara CA, 18-21 April 2005) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCS/Z3tvXNTca6JD8RAgEkAJ0UyzHWUWATRpPwmQZvKYkKpkKB2ACgyOKh h9LlJvg22cLnOICQuLZ7Ikc= =uPRB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: license question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | MySql loses money from many vendors on this very point. Of which they do | not budge. | | We have a Point of Sale software company who can distribute Oracle cheaper. | They only require a percentage of the final product price that their product | is packaged with. When the company explained they would rather use MySql an | pay them the same rates MySql refused. I'm sure there's a good answer for this, but I must be dense. In this scenario, why did you go to Oracle instead of PostgreSQL? Oracle = Pay percentage of final price PostgreSql = Free The times I've used PostgreSql, it's seemed a good product. Am I missing something? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCTBHmjeziQOokQnARAlPWAJ48vFaVNuIJqwJy7MeuELQNwHXN2QCcDy0m p13BPCbmEyYZbwS1cA1U9RE= =PKoE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: license question
As my company and I understand it, if you intend on distributing mySQL on this appliance and the appliance is a sealed box with your own proprietary code (like PHP or C or Java or whatever) that interfaces to the STOCK/Untouched RDBMS, you NEED a mySQL Commercial License. This license is a ridiculous $600 per unit which makes it completely unrealistic for any large scale deployment!!! I mean, I don't mind paying someone for their work, but I was thinking more like $50 per unit, not 10 times that. If someone from mySQL can clarify that would be great, but this is how I read the license and that's why we've stuck to v4.0.18 which was GPL. http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/opensource-license.html Our software is 100% GPL (General Public License); if yours is 100% GPL compliant, then you have no obligation to pay us for the licenses. Free use for those who never copy, modify or distribute. As long as you never distribute the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to use it for powering your application, irrespective of whether your application is under GPL license or not. If you are a private individual you are free to use MySQL software for your personal applications as long as you do not distribute them. If you distribute them, you must make a decision between the Commercial License and the GPL. http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/commercial-license.html Building a hardware system that includes MySQL and selling that hardware system to customers for installation at their own locations. If you include the MySQL server with an application that is not licensed under the GPL or GPL-compatible license, you need a commercial license for the MySQL server. -Original Message- From: Pat Ballard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:03 PM To: mysql@lists.mysql.com Subject: license question Suppose i distribute MySQL-4.1 with an appliance, which is a sealed x86 machine running a Linux distribution made by another entity (ok, it's Red Hat). I don't write any code that's directly linked to MySQL, I'm only using the existing php-mysql, etc., packages already provided by the distribution, plus some third-party apps that are under GPL and link to MySQL (applications that access MySQL, not written by me, but are Open Source GPL projects off SourceForge and other places - i just bundle them with the appliance). Any code that I write personally is PHP and sits on top of the php-mysql module provided by Red Hat. The end-user has no direct visibility to the database, in fact, the end-user might never know it's MySQL - all that is visible is the PHP interface, via Apache. In this case, what's the license? Is MySQL still free (under GPL)? -- Pat Ballard -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: license question
MySql loses money from many vendors on this very point. Of which they do not budge. We have a Point of Sale software company who can distribute Oracle cheaper. They only require a percentage of the final product price that their product is packaged with. When the company explained they would rather use MySql an pay them the same rates MySql refused. Thanks Donny Lairson President 29 GunMuse Lane P.O. box 166 Lakewood NM 88254 http://www.gunmuse.com 469 228 2183 -Original Message- From: Daevid Vincent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:18 PM To: 'Pat Ballard'; mysql@lists.mysql.com Subject: RE: license question As my company and I understand it, if you intend on distributing mySQL on this appliance and the appliance is a sealed box with your own proprietary code (like PHP or C or Java or whatever) that interfaces to the STOCK/Untouched RDBMS, you NEED a mySQL Commercial License. This license is a ridiculous $600 per unit which makes it completely unrealistic for any large scale deployment!!! I mean, I don't mind paying someone for their work, but I was thinking more like $50 per unit, not 10 times that. If someone from mySQL can clarify that would be great, but this is how I read the license and that's why we've stuck to v4.0.18 which was GPL. http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/opensource-license.html Our software is 100% GPL (General Public License); if yours is 100% GPL compliant, then you have no obligation to pay us for the licenses. Free use for those who never copy, modify or distribute. As long as you never distribute the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to use it for powering your application, irrespective of whether your application is under GPL license or not. If you are a private individual you are free to use MySQL software for your personal applications as long as you do not distribute them. If you distribute them, you must make a decision between the Commercial License and the GPL. http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/commercial-license.html Building a hardware system that includes MySQL and selling that hardware system to customers for installation at their own locations. If you include the MySQL server with an application that is not licensed under the GPL or GPL-compatible license, you need a commercial license for the MySQL server. -Original Message- From: Pat Ballard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:03 PM To: mysql@lists.mysql.com Subject: license question Suppose i distribute MySQL-4.1 with an appliance, which is a sealed x86 machine running a Linux distribution made by another entity (ok, it's Red Hat). I don't write any code that's directly linked to MySQL, I'm only using the existing php-mysql, etc., packages already provided by the distribution, plus some third-party apps that are under GPL and link to MySQL (applications that access MySQL, not written by me, but are Open Source GPL projects off SourceForge and other places - i just bundle them with the appliance). Any code that I write personally is PHP and sits on top of the php-mysql module provided by Red Hat. The end-user has no direct visibility to the database, in fact, the end-user might never know it's MySQL - all that is visible is the PHP interface, via Apache. In this case, what's the license? Is MySQL still free (under GPL)? -- Pat Ballard -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: license question
Yeah. It's silly. The whole hardware x86 1U rack mount we use with 2.4Ghz proc, 256MB, 40GB HD, dual Gbps NICs is only $500. I don't know what crack the mySQL AB guys are smoking to think that they are competitive. We've already started to wrap our product SQL calls in our own API so we can migrate to Postgress (or something with an acceptable license). -Original Message- MySql loses money from many vendors on this very point. Of which they do not budge. We have a Point of Sale software company who can distribute Oracle cheaper. They only require a percentage of the final product price that their product is packaged with. When the company explained they would rather use MySql an pay them the same rates MySql refused. This license is a ridiculous $600 per unit which makes it completely unrealistic for any large scale deployment!!! I mean, I don't mind paying someone for their work, but I was thinking more like $50 per unit, not 10 times that. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Folks, Take a deep breath and see how much an Oracle license is for a Solaris box with 4 cpus, AFAIK start looking in the thousands of dollars. Try SQL server, Sybase or Informix. None of the above mentioned are particularly cheap, some of these are costing over $595.00 per seat not per unit. IMHO $595.00 for an unlimited user configuration is not bad at all. Granted most users tend to be in the X86 world where hardware is cheap but lets look at the commercial reality of it all, $595.00 is not that bad considering the general backup and support along with the feature set that you receive. BTW it is only $295.00 if you don't want InnoDB. Regards David Logan Database Administrator HP Managed Services 148 Frome Street, Adelaide 5000 Australia +61 8 8408 4273 - Work +61 417 268 665 - Mobile +61 8 8408 4259 - Fax -Original Message- From: Daevid Vincent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2005 3:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Pat Ballard'; mysql@lists.mysql.com Subject: RE: license question Yeah. It's silly. The whole hardware x86 1U rack mount we use with 2.4Ghz proc, 256MB, 40GB HD, dual Gbps NICs is only $500. I don't know what crack the mySQL AB guys are smoking to think that they are competitive. We've already started to wrap our product SQL calls in our own API so we can migrate to Postgress (or something with an acceptable license). -Original Message- MySql loses money from many vendors on this very point. Of which they do not budge. We have a Point of Sale software company who can distribute Oracle cheaper. They only require a percentage of the final product price that their product is packaged with. When the company explained they would rather use MySql an pay them the same rates MySql refused. This license is a ridiculous $600 per unit which makes it completely unrealistic for any large scale deployment!!! I mean, I don't mind paying someone for their work, but I was thinking more like $50 per unit, not 10 times that. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: license question
--- Daevid Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As my company and I understand it, if you intend on distributing mySQL on this appliance and the appliance is a sealed box yes with your own proprietary code (like PHP or C or Java or whatever) that interfaces to the STOCK/Untouched RDBMS It's like this: my_code -- stock PHP/Apache -- stock MySQL you NEED a mySQL Commercial License. wowza! :-( This license is a ridiculous $600 per unit which makes it completely unrealistic for any large scale deployment!!! Well, it means your profit per unit (not counting SQL expenses) must be significantly higher than $600 Not easy, given the fierce competition in the current market. If someone from mySQL can clarify that would be great I agree that the license is murky. That's why i actually asked mysql.com a question through official channels. I'm waiting their response. -- Pat Ballard __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
license question
Suppose i distribute MySQL-4.1 with an appliance, which is a sealed x86 machine running a Linux distribution made by another entity (ok, it's Red Hat). I don't write any code that's directly linked to MySQL, I'm only using the existing php-mysql, etc., packages already provided by the distribution, plus some third-party apps that are under GPL and link to MySQL (applications that access MySQL, not written by me, but are Open Source GPL projects off SourceForge and other places - i just bundle them with the appliance). Any code that I write personally is PHP and sits on top of the php-mysql module provided by Red Hat. The end-user has no direct visibility to the database, in fact, the end-user might never know it's MySQL - all that is visible is the PHP interface, via Apache. In this case, what's the license? Is MySQL still free (under GPL)? -- Pat Ballard __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: license question
Hi Pat, I thought that was discussed before over and over on this mailinglist. I am surprised that many people have isues with that topic. Basically it boils down to 2 questions. 1) Will you include and ditsribute the source code and the changes (if any) and the GPL license in your product ? If yes, than you DONT need a commercial license. if NO, (in other words you dont want to publish any changes you made to the code) then you need a commercial license. 2) Are you selling the product or a service ? If you are trying to sell the customer the very same MySQL product for $$ that he can download, then you must be good at sales, no questions asked. If you are selling a service (Consulting, Installation and setup etc. than you also dont need a commercial license ( + same as under 1 applies). Summary: You only need the commercial license if you change the code and want to distribute it as closed source. You can however at any time make a support contract or buy a commercial license to show your gratitude for the MySQL guys. That is usually a nice gesture, gets you support and backup when you need it and last but not least makes you feel good (peace of mind ;-). I hope that makes things clearer. Nils Valentin Tokyo / Japan http://www.be-known-online.com Suppose i distribute MySQL-4.1 with an appliance, which is a sealed x86 machine running a Linux distribution made by another entity (ok, it's Red Hat). I don't write any code that's directly linked to MySQL, I'm only using the existing php-mysql, etc., packages already provided by the distribution, plus some third-party apps that are under GPL and link to MySQL (applications that access MySQL, not written by me, but are Open Source GPL projects off SourceForge and other places - i just bundle them with the appliance). Any code that I write personally is PHP and sits on top of the php-mysql module provided by Red Hat. The end-user has no direct visibility to the database, in fact, the end-user might never know it's MySQL - all that is visible is the PHP interface, via Apache. In this case, what's the license? Is MySQL still free (under GPL)? -- Pat Ballard __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that was discussed before over and over on this mailinglist. I am surprised that many people have isues with that topic. Well... 1. Licensing in general can be quite confusing for a non-lawyer geek 2. I want to make 101% sure I don't take any wrong steps before hitting the market. 1) Will you include and ditsribute the source code and the changes (if any) and the GPL license in your product ? The MySQL source code, you mean? Well, it's a sealed appliance, a black box from the customer's p.o.v. (duh, think of it as a VCR or a toaster), but sure, i can throw in a CD with source code and stuff if it's necessary. I don't plan to make any changes or write any code that even remotely touches MySQL. The only connection between the code that I write and MySQL is via php-mysql / httpd If yes, than you DONT need a commercial license. if NO, (in other words you dont want to publish any changes you made to the code) then you need a commercial license. I'm not making any changes to MySQL whatsoever. 2) Are you selling the product or a service ? If you are trying to sell the customer the very same MySQL product for $$ that he can download, then you must be good at sales, no questions asked. Same reasoning would apply to the hundreds, if not thousands other appliances currently on the market which are also running Linux (which is also something that the customer can download for free). Are all of those companies just good at sales? Case in point: the Linksys routers which everyone owns and which run Linux. My appliance is the same. It just happens it needs a SQL backend. Might be MySQL. Might be PostgreSQL if either/or it's faster in my particular case or more liberally licensed than MySQL (which are things I'm still investigating). Might be something else. shrug -- Pat Ballard __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OFF-TOPIC] MySQL License Question
Hi! I sent this question to the mysql license email, but it's been more than 3 days since then and I haven't received a answer... So I will ask it again here, to see if someone can clarify this issue. We are small hardware store. We have developed our own POS software to fill our necessities for our 12 stores. We developed our software using MySQL and Java, and they run on Linux. Our POS can run any other DB, but we really like MySQL. The thing is, we cannot afford paying a MySQL licence (every single pos we want to implement in the coming months will have to use a copy of mysql db installed) for every single POS we implement. As I had understood your license, we can apply for a GPL MySQL since our pos software: .- It's not for sell, we do no distribute to 3rd parties, our pos is only for internal use. We are using the MySQL that shipped with our linux distro. .- Our software can use other db's , we just use MySQL because it is really good and our choice, but we can use any other jdbc compliant db. Am i right ?? We would like to apply for a paid support in the future, but we cannot afford a MySQL license for each POS we implement. We haven't infringed in any legal aspect, since we have only used mysql for development, we still have not deployed, am i right? Would you be so kind, and explain to me, the details in this case? Thanxs! =) -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OFF-TOPIC] MySQL License Question
Hi! I sent this question to the mysql license email, but it's been more than 3 days since then and I haven't received a answer... So I will ask it again here, to see if someone can clarify this issue. Are you actually distributing MySQL with your application? Or are you just using installations that are installed separately? You only need the licensed version for two possible reasons: 1) You are bundling the MySQL server or the C client code in your application which is not licensed under the GPL or a compatible Open Source Initiative license approved by MySQL. 2) You want support. That's it. Pretty simple. If your application simply *uses* MySQL but you are not distributing any of the MySQL source code in your program or along side your program you don't need the license. If I'm wrong about this someone please yell at me. I've been studying for the MySQL certification and this is covered in the first chapter of the study guide. :-) Regards Jim Grill -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OFF-TOPIC] MySQL License Question
On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 11:05, Jim Grill wrote: Hi! I sent this question to the mysql license email, but it's been more than 3 days since then and I haven't received a answer... So I will ask it again here, to see if someone can clarify this issue. Are you actually distributing MySQL with your application? Or are you just using installations that are installed separately? You only need the licensed version for two possible reasons: 1) You are bundling the MySQL server or the C client code in your application which is not licensed under the GPL or a compatible Open Source Initiative license approved by MySQL. NOPE, we plan to install the POS application in machines that previously have a MySQL installed. I mean, we will install linux into the computer, later we will install MySQL, and after that we will install our POS software, the POS software is just a plain jar file. So... as i can see, we ONLY use MySQL. We will use the MySQL version that may come with the linux distro, or one we compiled ourself. Second, the POS application is _ONLY_ for internal use. we haven't broke any rule, isn't it? =) 2) You want support. That's it. Pretty simple. If your application simply *uses* MySQL but you are not distributing any of the MySQL source code in your program or along side your program you don't need the license. If I'm wrong about this someone please yell at me. I've been studying for the MySQL certification and this is covered in the first chapter of the study guide. :-) Regards Jim Grill -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: License question
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License question
Hi, Sorry to ask this in here. If it's not the right place please ignore the post. I want to know if someone could claim a license upon an application wich was developed using Php and a non-commercially-licensed copy of MySql. I mean, the application is designed to work only with MySql as database engine and the MySql package delivered with the application, is licensed under GPL. Could the developer claim License rights upon the use of such a combination ? Thanks Mauricio -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: License question
At 16:30 -0700 9-09-2004, Mauricio Pellegrini wrote: Hi, Sorry to ask this in here. If it's not the right place please ignore the post. I want to know if someone could claim a license upon an application wich was developed using Php and a non-commercially-licensed copy of MySql. I mean, the application is designed to work only with MySql as database engine and the MySql package delivered with the application, is licensed under GPL. Could the developer claim License rights upon the use of such a combination ? Thanks Mauricio -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes GPL said that the source code must be delivered with the application (or it is available as FTP, mail, ...). The user can distribute the application without asking for a fee. About two years ago I read a FAQ that asserts about a moderate costs. The license is more restrictive about copyright and distribution but it doesn't contain any money issue. If you have some question you can write to gnu.org or you can report an abuse. See http://www.gnu.org Santino -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] License question.
Hello, I sent a message to sales in order to have more info about licenses but I have not received any reply, so I post to the list hoping someone has any experience on it. A customer asks me to develop a Web-Application (Intranet) tobrowse their photos and PDFs, so I'm going to prepare, with a reseller, a document with costs (Hardware, Software, Support, Training, etc.). The customer needs 2 licenses of MySql because the application will be installed on 2 servers (primary backup). May I buy (and pay) the licenses and tranfers (resell MySql server with my application) to a hardware reseller that will sell the System (HW, SW, technical support) to the customer via a leasing company? What kind of document let the user use, according legal issues, MySql (My and reseller invoices)? Thank you. Santino Cusimano -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] License question.
On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:43 , Santino [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Hello, I sent a message to sales in order to have more info about licenses but I have not received any reply, so I post to the list hoping someone has any experience on it. A customer asks me to develop a Web-Application (Intranet) tobrowse their photos and PDFs, so I'm going to prepare, with a reseller, a document with costs (Hardware, Software, Support, Training, etc.). The customer needs 2 licenses of MySql because the application will be installed on 2 servers (primary backup). May I buy (and pay) the licenses and tranfers (resell MySql server with my application) to a hardware reseller that will sell the System (HW, SW, technical support) to the customer via a leasing company? http://www.mysql.com/products/licensing/faq.html I am nto the best with license-lingo - but since you are developing a project for a customer, and they are going to redistribute the software via commercial means - then you dont have to purchase - now if you were developing this on your own and wanting to sell it to the customer, then as long as you provide all the source code, you can use mysql free - The time to buy is when you want to develop an application and not provide source OR - you want some kick-ass customer support from the mysql team once again - not sure - read the link What kind of document let the user use, according legal issues, MySql (My and reseller invoices)? Thank you. Santino Cusimano -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Chris McKeever If you want to reply directly to me, please use cgmckeever--at--prupref.com A href=http://www.prupref.com;Prudential/AA href=http://www.prupref.com;Chicago Real Estate/A Prudential Preferred Properties www.prupref.com Success Driven By Results Results Driven By Commitment Commitment Driven By Integrity We Are Prudential Preferred Properties -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MySQL GPL License Question
This is a fuzzy issue. There are questions regarding redistribution. Any distribution requires that you either comply with the terms of the GPL or that you get a licence. Additionally, MySQL AB have recently changed the licence terms of their libraries - now absolutely everything that the fine and funky folk at MySQL AB ship falls under the GPL. Previously, many libraries appeared under the LGPL, allowing you to link against them without needing to use a GPL-compatible licence. Hope this helps! I went through a very similar issue recently myself. Regards, Chris On Fri, 2004-01-16 at 02:09, Sam Vilain wrote: On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:44, Computer Mail wrote; If I create a program that just queries data from a MySQL table and processes it...am I required to release that program under the GPL? No. The below; 0. This License applies to any program or other work which contains a notice placed by the copyright holder saying it may be distributed under the terms of this General Public License. The Program, below, refers to any such program or work, and a work based on the Program means either the Program or any derivative work under copyright law: that is to say, a work containing the Program or a portion of it, either verbatim or with modifications and/or translated into another language. RMS has made it quite clear that a work based on the program means that you're linking the programs together, as with `ld' (or a *very* similar logical equivalent). Bundling GNU products with commercial software is openly encouraged. The output is unrestricted; Activities other than copying, distribution and modification are not covered by this License; they are outside its scope. The act of running the Program is not restricted, and the output from the ^^^ Program is covered only if its contents constitute a work based on ^^ the Program (independent of having been made by running the ^^^ Program). Whether that is true depends on what the Program does. This clause does not catch the output from a MySQL server. On the other hand, if you were to link the MySQL binary directly into your program - avoiding the SQL server - then you would need to purchase a commercial license from MySQL AB to avoid the requirement for the derived work to be covered by the GPL. -- Sam Vilain, [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence. -- Mahatma Gandhi -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
MySQL GPL License Question
I understand some of the GPL but I am a little confused on this issue: If I create a program that just queries data from a MySQL table and processes it...am I required to release that program under the GPL? I have a MySQL server set up with some tables and I created a seperate application to query the tables and process the data. Is writing an app that is able to connect with MySQL a situation where I will need to release it under the GPL? There is no code or any part of MySQL used in the application. Any help would be greatly appreciated. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MySQL GPL License Question
-Message d'origine- De : Computer Mail [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Wednesday, January 14, 2004 2:45 PM À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : MySQL GPL License Question I understand some of the GPL but I am a little confused on this issue: If I create a program that just queries data from a MySQL table and processes it...am I required to release that program under the GPL? I have a MySQL server set up with some tables and I created a seperate application to query the tables and process the data. Is writing an app that is able to connect with MySQL a situation where I will need to release it under the GPL? There is no code or any part of MySQL used in the application. I think that as long as you can distinguish mysql from your application you don't need a licence. When you can't remove mysql without playing into the code, it is embedded, thus require a licence. my 2cents Any help would be greatly appreciated. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MySQL GPL License Question
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:44, Computer Mail wrote; If I create a program that just queries data from a MySQL table and processes it...am I required to release that program under the GPL? No. The below; 0. This License applies to any program or other work which contains a notice placed by the copyright holder saying it may be distributed under the terms of this General Public License. The Program, below, refers to any such program or work, and a work based on the Program means either the Program or any derivative work under copyright law: that is to say, a work containing the Program or a portion of it, either verbatim or with modifications and/or translated into another language. RMS has made it quite clear that a work based on the program means that you're linking the programs together, as with `ld' (or a *very* similar logical equivalent). Bundling GNU products with commercial software is openly encouraged. The output is unrestricted; Activities other than copying, distribution and modification are not covered by this License; they are outside its scope. The act of running the Program is not restricted, and the output from the ^^^ Program is covered only if its contents constitute a work based on ^^ the Program (independent of having been made by running the ^^^ Program). Whether that is true depends on what the Program does. This clause does not catch the output from a MySQL server. On the other hand, if you were to link the MySQL binary directly into your program - avoiding the SQL server - then you would need to purchase a commercial license from MySQL AB to avoid the requirement for the derived work to be covered by the GPL. -- Sam Vilain, [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence. -- Mahatma Gandhi -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: License question
Otherwise, you may ask whether MySQL is an option or not. It means that if your logs and related information can go to other mean such as a text file then you are no need to buy license. In theory we can find option for any db appliance, let say, we can store data in regular files. However, if your program can't run without MySQL database, I think license will be required. I can for example, use PostgreSQL, but main key for me is to have multiplatform database. __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: License question
Otherwise, you may ask whether MySQL is an option or not. It means that if your logs and related information can go to other mean such as a text file then you are no need to buy license. In theory we can find option for any db appliance, let say, we can store data in regular files. However, if your program can't run without MySQL database, I think license will be required. I can for example, use PostgreSQL, but main key for me is to have multiplatform database. __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: License question
As far as I know, if you only require MySQL as an option or just an added features, your company do not need to purchase a license. KH Otherwise, you may ask whether MySQL is an option or not. It means that if your logs and related information can go to other mean such as a text file then you are no need to buy license. In theory we can find option for any db appliance, let say, we can store data in regular files. However, if your program can't run without MySQL database, I think license will be required. I can for example, use PostgreSQL, but main key for me is to have multiplatform database. __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail mysql-unsubscribe- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php -- Yours, KH Chiu CA Computer Consultants Ltd. Tel: 3104 2070 Fax: 3010 0896 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: www.caconsultant.com - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: License question
Thank you KH I think that statistics information might become important part of our system, so it is safer to buy license or have a look on others RDBMS. As far as I know, if you only require MySQL as an option or just an added features, your company do not need to purchase a license. KH -- __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
License question
My company develops commercial project which is close to well know ICQ but has slightly different appliance. Can I use MYSQL for storing list of users, collecting some statistics, logs and other related information or I have to buy license? __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Quick License Question...
Quick question about the license issue that I thought of while reading through the Interbase Vs. MySQL threads. If I develop a program that uses MySQL for my company and it is only used for internal use, never repacked and sold/distributed outside the company what type of license aggrement is that under? This project would have code that would obviously be 'sensitive' information for the company so Open Source would be out the question, but as this would never be re-distributed am I right in thinking we do not need to buy a license aggrement from MySQL? I was reading throuhg the manual in the license section and noticed they said it would be 'nice' that if MySQL was helping your enterprise then you should at least buy some support from them. However, I am comfortable enough with MySQL and its use is VERY light weight that it would be pretty silly to buy support from them. Not saying anything against the MySQL team, but they did make the product fairly easy to work with :) Thanks for any info on these questions! -Nick - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: Quick License Question...
Hi. First, I am not a lawyer. On Tue 2003-02-18 at 15:48:00 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quick question about the license issue that I thought of while reading through the Interbase Vs. MySQL threads. If I develop a program that uses MySQL for my company and it is only used for internal use, never repacked and sold/distributed outside the company what type of license aggrement is that under? If you mean whether that complies with the GPL, the answer is yes. The GPL is about distributing and therefore doesn't care about your use case (a company as a single entity with regard to this). In effect, you are using MySQL without license (but only under the fair use clauses of the copyright law, which allow you that). The reason you may do so with MySQL, but not with some other commercial software is simply that MySQL AB gave you the software without asking for money by making the download available (without attaching any conditions). This project would have code that would obviously be 'sensitive' information for the company so Open Source would be out the question, but as this would never be re-distributed am I right in thinking we do not need to buy a license aggrement from MySQL? Yes. I was reading throuhg the manual in the license section and noticed they said it would be 'nice' that if MySQL was helping your enterprise then you should at least buy some support from them. However, I am comfortable enough with MySQL and its use is VERY light weight that it would be pretty silly to buy support from them. Not saying anything against the MySQL team, but they did make the product fairly easy to work with :) Yeah, the idea in that sentence behind buying support is not about having support, but about given some money in order to pay back, if you think that would be the right thing to do. That you also have official support this way is just an added benefit. In other words: it would be just a gift in order to say thanks. (With the thought that you already got a gift from them: free use of MySQL.) HTH, Benjamin. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: License question
First of all, I am not mysql person and I would like to share my personal understanding only. If your program is under GNU's GPL (ie. free open source software) you can use MySQL right away. There is no need to buy license. Otherwise, you may ask whether MySQL is an option or not. It means that if your logs and related information can go to other mean such as a text file then you are no need to buy license. However, if your program can't run without MySQL database, I think license will be required. Regards, My company develops commercial project which is close to well know ICQ but has slightly different appliance. Can I use MYSQL for storing list of users, collecting some statistics, logs and other related information or I have to buy license? __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail mysql-unsubscribe- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php -- Yours, KH Chiu CA Computer Consultants Ltd. Tel: 3104 2070 Fax: 3010 0896 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: www.caconsultant.com - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
License question ...
Dear friends, I wish to know the answer of the next question : If i add some code/functionality to libmysql.dll (ver 3.x.x) i must change the name of the project or can be remain the same ?(I mean : libmysql or other name) Thanks Regards, Gelu _ G.NET SOFTWARE COMPANY Permanent e-mail address : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: license question on libmysql.dll and C/C++ API
babylonian, Sunday, May 19, 2002, 10:04:00 PM, you wrote: bgn I have a question on license of MySQL C API or MySQL++ API, and bgn libmysql. [hardly skipped] bgn Is there any good way, or any misconception in my understanding of bgn libmysql license? Any idea is welcome, but please don't suggest bgn embracing entire GPL... if it's not possible, then I'll quit touching bgn MySQL and will start to look PostgreSQL. If you use 3.23 libmysql, you need no licences. For 4.0, you should write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ask for authorization. bgn -- Linsey KISANJANI -- For technical support contracts, goto https://order.mysql.com/?ref=ensita This email is sponsored by Ensita.net http://www.ensita.net/ __ ___ ___ __ / |/ /_ __/ __/ __ \/ /Victoria Reznichenko / /|_/ / // /\ \/ /_/ / /__ [EMAIL PROTECTED] /_/ /_/\_, /___/\___\_\___/ MySQL AB / Ensita.net ___/ www.mysql.com - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
license question on libmysql.dll and C/C++ API
Hi all, I have a question on license of MySQL C API or MySQL++ API, and libmysql. What I want to do is to make a MS Windows program (C++) that accesses MySQL database, and to distribute it on internet without publishing its source code. It uses database server as its backend resource store. It currently uses MS SQL server or its free version MSDE, or MS Access, but I hope migration to MySQL. I have no intention to distribute MySQL itself and libmysql.dll itself with my program. It's non-commercial software, but not freeware (in GNU sense). Since C API seems fast I thought it's nice to use but after extraction of .zip of MySQL4 source code and moving to libmysql.dll source directory, I found that all libmysql.dll source code is in GPL. All those source code have the header that states they are under GPL. That means I can't distribute resulting executable that is linked to libmysql without reacting requests of open source. Preamble and Section 5 of LGPL(http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/lesser.html) (not GPL) says: citation Preamble --snip-- When a program is linked with a library, whether statically or using a shared library, the combination of the two is legally speaking a combined work, a derivative of the original library. The ordinary General Public License therefore permits such linking only if the entire combination fits its criteria of freedom. The Lesser General Public License permits more lax criteria for linking other code with the library. --snip-- 5. A program that contains no derivative of any portion of the Library, but is designed to work with the Library by being compiled or linked with it, is called a work that uses the Library. Such a work, in isolation, is not a derivative work of the Library, and therefore falls outside the scope of this License. However, linking a work that uses the Library with the Library creates an executable that is a derivative of the Library (because it contains portions of the Library), rather than a work that uses the library. The executable is therefore covered by this License. Section 6 states terms for distribution of such executables. /citation Though LGPL Section 5 deals with LGPL, not GPL, it's also clear that I can't distribute a closed-source executable that links dynamically to GPLed library, because resulting executable(not object code) is covered by GPL too. Now, for MySQL++, it's LGPL. Since LGPL Section 6 forces users of LGPL library to permit reverse engineering of their executable, but it's not so hard to accept. (Though I think most of commercial applications for Linux, which are linked to L/GPL libraries including libc, infringe Section 6 by prohibiting reverse engineering in their license aggreement) But the problem is, when I use MySQL++, the executable is linked to libmysql.dll that is GPLed. So LGPL of MySQL++ is overwritten by more powerful GPL and there is no meaning of LGPL of MySQL++ in this case. I searched how actual commercial appliactions for MySQL deal with license. For example, EMS MySQL Manager http://ems-hitech.com/mymanager/ is linked to libmysql.dll, but it's not open-source, so it's not GPLed. EMS HiTech is an official MySQL AB partner, then there may be special license between them. I looked in commercial license store at mysql.com but can't find special licence. There is only per-server license and it doesn't look like developer license. I'm not sure how other closed-source applications that are not official partner of MySQL AB manage this license problem. Anyway I can't be official partner of MySQL AB just to distribute non-commercial proggy on my homepage. I checked MyODBC, though I don't like ODBC, but it's GPL too. Is there any good way, or any misconception in my understanding of libmysql license? Any idea is welcome, but please don't suggest embracing entire GPL... if it's not possible, then I'll quit touching MySQL and will start to look PostgreSQL. -- Linsey KISANJANI - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
License Question
Can I statically link to libmysqlclient? If so, what are the implications? Will I have to distribute my application's source? IANAL, so what do I need to do? What if I link dynamically? Can I redistribute the compiled libmysqlclient library? What if I just link dynamically? Cheers, Andrew - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
