Re: [mythtv-users] Could we install/run Mythtv without X-windows
On 9/9/05, Brandon Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 03:51:05PM -0400, Brian J. Murrell wrote:Personally, I think plasmas are a bad choice and LCD has too slow of apixel response time.DLP is by far my choice for best picture.Singleunit (rear projection) units use projectors in them anyway.I find the fact that the viewing able is critical in them so the image isn't toodark from a side, or when sitting on the floor.A projector and screengive much better results for view angle. Save your money for OLED, prolly one to two years away but I'm guessing with all the money dumped into the TFT Fabs the same companies are gonna keep the price point high on the OLEDs. The nice thing about them however is they are an active device so they control the light emitted (almost 100% energy efficient too so low on heat) rather than filtering it like LCD so you get incredible viewing angles and fantastic contrast (I think they were saying something like 5000:1 for contrast and a brightness of 600 nits). Its also pretty fast and super thin. Once they get these babies lasting 3 hrs plus I don't think there'll be much to compete. In fact I might have seen the link here talking about Samsung getting ready to release a 40 or 50 model thats 3 deep! -- Devan ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Could we install/run Mythtv without X-windows
On Friday 09 September 2005 23:14, Devan Lippman wrote: On 9/9/05, Brandon Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 03:51:05PM -0400, Brian J. Murrell wrote: Personally, I think plasmas are a bad choice and LCD has too slow of a pixel response time. No issues here with the new 37 1080p LCD set I just bought... DLP is by far my choice for best picture. Single unit (rear projection) units use projectors in them anyway. I find the fact that the viewing able is critical in them so the image isn't too dark from a side, or when sitting on the floor. A projector and screen give much better results for view angle. Thought about a projector, but there just really isn't a way for it to work where I've got my TV now. I've had the LCD a week now, and it blows the doors off my old rear-projection set. Its damned sweet, no misgivings about getting it. Works especially peachy for MythTV -- feeding it a true 1080p signal via DVI. Save your money for OLED, prolly one to two years away but I'm guessing with all the money dumped into the TFT Fabs the same companies are gonna keep the price point high on the OLEDs. The nice thing about them however is they are an active device so they control the light emitted (almost 100% energy efficient too so low on heat) rather than filtering it like LCD so you get incredible viewing angles and fantastic contrast (I think they were saying something like 5000:1 for contrast and a brightness of 600 nits). Its also pretty fast and super thin. Once they get these babies lasting 3 hrs plus I don't think there'll be much to compete. In fact I might have seen the link here talking about Samsung getting ready to release a 40 or 50 model thats 3 deep! Of course you can save for something better down the road, technology is always improving, whatever you buy today is obsolete, but I choose to spend now, and be happy today. :) -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp3XWL7y2ONz.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Could we install/run Mythtv without X-windows
There is also a new type of front projection just about to come out that uses LEDs instead of a bulb. Super small, cooler running so no fan, starting out at a little over a grand. Paul ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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On Saturday 10 September 2005 3:58 am, James Ogle wrote: Devan Lippman wrote: On 9/9/05, *Brandon Beattie* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 03:51:05PM -0400, Brian J. Murrell wrote: Personally, I think plasmas are a bad choice and LCD has too slow of a pixel response time. DLP is by far my choice for best picture. Single unit (rear projection) units use projectors in them anyway. I find the fact that the viewing able is critical in them so the image isn't too dark from a side, or when sitting on the floor. A projector and screen give much better results for view angle. Save your money for OLED, prolly one to two years away but I'm guessing with all the money dumped into the TFT Fabs the same companies are gonna keep the price point high on the OLEDs. The nice thing about them however is they are an active device so they control the light emitted (almost 100% energy efficient too so low on heat) rather than filtering it like LCD so you get incredible viewing angles and fantastic contrast (I think they were saying something like 5000:1 for contrast and a brightness of 600 nits). Its also pretty fast and super thin. Once they get these babies lasting 3 hrs plus I don't think there'll be much to compete. In fact I might have seen the link here talking about Samsung getting ready to release a 40 or 50 model thats 3 deep! Lifetime is still a problem with OLED, The O stands for organic. It breaks down in the presence of UV light, and deteriorates with heat. They have made some big gains in lifetime recently, 5 years ago they were measuring lifetime in 10's of hours. The process to make the OLED is basically a printing process, and promises to be much much cheaper in the long run then manufacturing LED. Makers are planning on thin replaceable screens that you can get for not too much money (i hope) that you replace every few years. The materials that go into a 60 screen will eventually be cheaper then the refined quartz in projector bulbs. I think the technology you're looking for is SED. Google for sed toshiba for the details. Basically, it's a flat CRT - all the advantages of a CRT with the power usage of an LCD. Each pixel is its own CRT, but only has to discharge across a tiny distance. I believe the first sets are due out in late Q4 or early Q1. -- Harry O. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] Could we install/run Mythtv without X-windows
I would like to know if we can install mythtv in console mode with frambuffer only. no x windows. We try to do this in ./configure without success. Mythtv is based on Qt so I don't know if is it possible Regards Laurentpat ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Could we install/run Mythtv without X-windows
On Fri, 2005-09-09 at 18:17 +0200, laurentpat wrote: I would like to know if we can install mythtv in console mode with frambuffer only. no x windows. We try to do this in ./configure without success. Mythtv is based on Qt so I don't know if is it possible If there were a QT for DirectFB this would be possible, but alas it is not. Which is a shame. X for an STB is just a waste. b. -- My other computer is your Microsoft Windows server. Brian J. Murrell signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Could we install/run Mythtv without X-windows
Brian J. Murrell wrote: On Fri, 2005-09-09 at 18:17 +0200, laurentpat wrote: I would like to know if we can install mythtv in console mode with frambuffer only. no x windows. We try to do this in ./configure without success. Mythtv is based on Qt so I don't know if is it possible If there were a QT for DirectFB this would be possible, but alas it is not. Which is a shame. X for an STB is just a waste. b. I seem to remember reading somewhere that qt4 has support for installing without the gui functionality, and that this could possibly be used to make mythbackend not require X when it is eventually ported to qt4. Will probably be a long while before this takes place though. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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On Fri, 2005-09-09 at 14:16 -0300, Kyle Kelly wrote: I seem to remember reading somewhere that qt4 has support for installing without the gui functionality, and that this could possibly be used to make mythbackend not require X when it is eventually ported to qt4. Well there is that too. The Gnu folks got this right a long time ago when they separated glib and gtk. But that is not really what I mean. What I am saying is that X is way too big a hammer for the job. DirectFB is much better suited at the kind of space that Myth is in -- the STB. But that would take QT being able to run on DirectFB which AFAIK it does not. :-( QT-Embedded (or whatever it is) is too far in the other direction. It does not have hardware acceleration (and other video card) suport that DirectFB has. b. -- My other computer is your Microsoft Windows server. Brian J. Murrell signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Could we install/run Mythtv without X-windows
On Friday 09 September 2005 01:25 pm, Brian J. Murrell wrote: On Fri, 2005-09-09 at 14:16 -0300, Kyle Kelly wrote: I seem to remember reading somewhere that qt4 has support for installing without the gui functionality, and that this could possibly be used to make mythbackend not require X when it is eventually ported to qt4. Well there is that too. The Gnu folks got this right a long time ago when they separated glib and gtk. But that is not really what I mean. What I am saying is that X is way too big a hammer for the job. DirectFB is much better suited at the kind of space that Myth is in -- the STB. But that would take QT being able to run on DirectFB which AFAIK it does not. :-( QT-Embedded (or whatever it is) is too far in the other direction. It does not have hardware acceleration (and other video card) suport that DirectFB has. Last I checked, DirectFB was pretty lacking in the hardware support area, too. Isaac ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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On Fri, 2005-09-09 at 14:18 -0400, Isaac Richards wrote: Last I checked, DirectFB was pretty lacking in the hardware support area, too. But what really matters for display hardware support in the Myth context other than good TV-Out? But that is something that is hamstringed by the vendors more than the developers of OSS. Most unfortunately. b. -- My other computer is your Microsoft Windows server. Brian J. Murrell signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Could we install/run Mythtv without X-windows
On Friday 09 September 2005 03:13 pm, Brian J. Murrell wrote: On Fri, 2005-09-09 at 14:18 -0400, Isaac Richards wrote: Last I checked, DirectFB was pretty lacking in the hardware support area, too. But what really matters for display hardware support in the Myth context other than good TV-Out? But that is something that is hamstringed by the vendors more than the developers of OSS. Most unfortunately. Well, unless you want the UI to be slow, hardware accelerated alpha blending (ie., XRENDER, OpenGL, etc) is a plus. Besides, people will start using the 'tv-out' less and less, as they start buying newer tvs. Digital's the way to go. Isaac ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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On Fri, 2005-09-09 at 15:34 -0400, Isaac Richards wrote: Well, unless you want the UI to be slow, hardware accelerated alpha blending (ie., XRENDER, OpenGL, etc) is a plus. Yes, true. Never thought of that. Since DirectFB supports the hardware I would love to use I have never really surveyed it's (lack of) breadth of support. It has always just occurred to me that the support for TV-Out is definitely narrow, but for reasons other than just not wanting to support more TV-Out cards. But that said, if QT supported DFB in addition to X it would be like having your cake and eating it too. Besides, people will start using the 'tv-out' less and less, as they start buying newer tvs. Digital's the way to go. True. But until picture quality and prices start becoming reasonable that's not going to terribly soon. Even given those, there is always adoption rates. It will be a while still. Maybe if digital starts getting put into something other than huge TVs it will happen quicker, but I really have no desire to give up the space a 52 TV takes. b. -- My other computer is your Microsoft Windows server. Brian J. Murrell signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Could we install/run Mythtv without X-windows
On Friday 09 September 2005 03:41 pm, Brian J. Murrell wrote: Besides, people will start using the 'tv-out' less and less, as they start buying newer tvs. Digital's the way to go. True. But until picture quality and prices start becoming reasonable that's not going to terribly soon. Even given those, there is always adoption rates. It will be a while still. Maybe if digital starts getting put into something other than huge TVs it will happen quicker, but I really have no desire to give up the space a 52 TV takes. That's why I have a projector. =) Isaac ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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Brian J. Murrell wrote: On Fri, 2005-09-09 at 15:34 -0400, Isaac Richards wrote: snip Maybe if digital starts getting put into something other than huge TVs it will happen quicker, but I really have no desire to give up the space a 52 TV takes. When was the last time you were at a big box electronics store. Practically every tv sold (regardless of size) is digital capable anymore. I was at one just the other day and I had a difficult time finding one that was *not* digital capable. As for prices, I saw some as low as $650. -- Michael J. Lynch What if the hokey pokey IS what it's all about -- author unknown ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Could we install/run Mythtv without X-windows
On Fri, 2005-09-09 at 15:48 -0400, Isaac Richards wrote: That's why I have a projector. =) Yeah, I've often said my next TV will be a projector. Do you have yours in a home theatre (i.e. no windows, etc.)? I know I have heard people say they did the projector thing and went back to the tube, mainly for brightness/windows/daylight issues. What res. does yours go to? I figure if I'm buying one I'd buy the full HDTV res. but then those get pretty pricey. b. -- My other computer is your Microsoft Windows server. Brian J. Murrell signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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On Fri, 2005-09-09 at 14:43 -0500, Michael J. Lynch wrote: When was the last time you were at a big box electronics store. Looking at TVs? Probably a while. Practically every tv sold (regardless of size) is digital capable anymore. /me perks up Tube TVs too? I was at one just the other day and I had a difficult time finding one that was *not* digital capable. What kinds of interfaces? As for prices, I saw some as low as $650. Not so bad then. b. -- My other computer is your Microsoft Windows server. Brian J. Murrell signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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On Friday 09 September 2005 03:51 pm, Brian J. Murrell wrote: On Fri, 2005-09-09 at 15:48 -0400, Isaac Richards wrote: That's why I have a projector. =) Yeah, I've often said my next TV will be a projector. Do you have yours in a home theatre (i.e. no windows, etc.)? I know I have heard people say they did the projector thing and went back to the tube, mainly for brightness/windows/daylight issues. http://www.mythtv.org/basement/6-Projector/ The pictures are from just after I finished finishing the basement last December. Pardon the crappy camera. =) What res. does yours go to? I figure if I'm buying one I'd buy the full HDTV res. but then those get pretty pricey. It's 1280x720 - Panasonic AE700U. I figure by the time the bulb burns out (should last at least another year and a half), projectors that do 1920x1080 will be cheap enough to consider replacing it with. Isaac ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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On Fri, 2005-09-09 at 16:00 -0400, Isaac Richards wrote: The pictures are from just after I finished finishing the basement last December. Just to make me jealous. ;) It's 1280x720 - Panasonic AE700U. I figure by the time the bulb burns out (should last at least another year and a half), projectors that do 1920x1080 will be cheap enough to consider replacing it with. Yeah. That was the other thing. Never realized that bulbs were such a significant cost of those suckers. To replace too. b. -- My other computer is your Microsoft Windows server. Brian J. Murrell signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 03:51:05PM -0400, Brian J. Murrell wrote: in a home theatre (i.e. no windows, etc.)? I know I have heard people say they did the projector thing and went back to the tube, mainly for brightness/windows/daylight issues. What res. does yours go to? I figure if I'm buying one I'd buy the full HDTV res. but then those get pretty pricey. If someone uses a little smarts you can use a projector anywhere. If you're going to go buy a $600 sams club 800x600 projector with 800 ansi lumens and project in on a 14 foot wall in the brightest room in your living room you will think it's worthless. :) The problem is that most people think projects require a big screen. A local company has a setup of a $3k plasma screen (40 inch) and a $1500 projector. When projecting an image onto a 40 inch screen right next to the plasma, the projectors image looks brighter, more colorful, and more clear. The also hid the projector in a coffee table so you couldn't see which image was the plasma and which was the projector, unless you walked infront of the projector. Personally, I think plasmas are a bad choice and LCD has too slow of a pixel response time. DLP is by far my choice for best picture. Single unit (rear projection) units use projectors in them anyway. I find the fact that the viewing able is critical in them so the image isn't too dark from a side, or when sitting on the floor. A projector and screen give much better results for view angle. Sharp is coming out with a new type of screen. It only reflects pure red, green, and blue. You can place the screen in direct sunlight and it looks almost black, but still a very dark gray shade. When you use a DLP projector that sends out only pure red, green, and blue, the screen will reflect the image well, even in direct sunlight (Sunlight is not pure red/green/blue so it's not reflected). This will become more commonly found in homes in another 10-15 years, but for those who can spend a few $k on a screen, it will be sold soon. There are also light cannons which have a very high ansi lumen output and work well for showing in well lit rooms. The best bet though for lit areas are presentation lines of projectors which output more more light than a home theater projector. --Brandon ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 12:41:52 -0700, Brian J. Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besides, people will start using the 'tv-out' less and less, as they start buying newer tvs. Digital's the way to go. Not to sound dense, but what is the distinction being made here? What is tv-out versus digital? (I would've thought anything that connected from the PC to the TV was TV-OUT.) ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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On Fri, 2005-09-09 at 14:35 -0700, Blake wrote: Not to sound dense, but what is the distinction being made here? What is tv-out versus digital? (I would've thought anything that connected from the PC to the TV was TV-OUT.) TV-Out in the sense that we are using here is an analog tv signal delivered over composite, svideo or component out. The video card is responsible for sending the signal to drive the TV to draw the picture. Digital is just that. A digitization of each frame sent over a digital link like DVI, or HDMI (my knowledge of digital is very low so these could be wrong at a the least is an incomplete list) for the TV to display. b. -- My other computer is your Microsoft Windows server. Brian J. Murrell signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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Blake wrote: On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 12:41:52 -0700, Brian J. Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besides, people will start using the 'tv-out' less and less, as they start buying newer tvs. Digital's the way to go. Not to sound dense, but what is the distinction being made here? What is tv-out versus digital? (I would've thought anything that connected from the PC to the TV was TV-OUT.) He's probably referring composite or S-video. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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On Friday 09 September 2005 04:23 pm, Brian J. Murrell wrote: Yeah. That was the other thing. Never realized that bulbs were such a significant cost of those suckers. To replace too. b. Yep, you'll need a pacemaker after you pay for one too The one in my auction prize Philips is a cheap one at about $300 ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
