Re: Cogent pulled out of Russia based on risk analysis

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe]

Yesterday.  Video of CEO is in my OP.

-LB

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> On Mar 25, 2022, at 5:51 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> Timestamp?
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
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> 
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> 
> From: "Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE" 
> To: "NANOG Group" 
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2022 7:37:22 AM
> Subject: Cogent pulled out of Russia based on risk analysis 
> 
> Confirmation from their CEO that Cogent shut down service in Russia due to 
> increased use of the connections for cyberattacks, and because only $10m in 
> rev came from Russia.
> 
> Cogent had no equipment in Russia.
> 
> Details: https://youtu.be/l_x2LQZOzF8 <https://youtu.be/l_x2LQZOzF8>
> 
> Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
> 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
> CEO 
> l...@6by7.net
> "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
> world.”
> 
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Cogent pulled out of Russia based on risk analysis

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

Confirmation from their CEO that Cogent shut down service in Russia due to 
increased use of the connections for cyberattacks, and because only $10m in rev 
came from Russia.

Cogent had no equipment in Russia.

Details: https://youtu.be/l_x2LQZOzF8

Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
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CEO 
l...@6by7.net
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world.”

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Re: ISP data collection from home routers

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

Without disagreeing that privacy concerns in general are rapidly becoming 
extinct with generations…

Surely you are not suggesting that my friends-only Facebook profile is somehow 
publishing my WiFi SSID? 

(For example)

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> On Mar 24, 2022, at 6:26 AM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm surprised we're having this discussion about an internet device that the 
> customer is using to publicize all of their information on Facebook and 
> Twitter.  Consumers do not care enough about their privacy to the point where 
> they are providing the information willingly.
> 
> >Consumers should have legal say in how or wether their data are harvested 
> >and also sold.
> 
> They do. https://www.fcc.gov/general/customer-privacy
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 9:12 AM Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE 
>>  wrote:
>> This is an enormous problem, see: 
>> https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2021/10/ftc-staff-report-finds-many-internet-service-providers-collect-troves-personal-data-users-have-few
>> 
>> Consumers should have legal say in how or wether their data are harvested 
>> and also sold.
>> 
>> Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
>> 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
>> CEO 
>> l...@6by7.net
>> "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in 
>> the world.”
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>>>> On Mar 24, 2022, at 3:44 AM, Giovane C. M. Moura via NANOG 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> Hello there,
>>> 
>>> Several years ago, a friend of mine was working for a large telco and his 
>>> job was to detect which clients had the worst networking experience.
>>> 
>>> To do that, the telco had this hadoop cluster, where it collected _tons_ of 
>>> data from home users routers, and his job was to use ML to tell the signal 
>>> from the noise.
>>> 
>>> I remember seeing a sample csv from this data, which contained _thousands_ 
>>> of data fields (features) from each client.
>>> 
>>> I was _shocked_ by the amount of (meta)data they are able to pull from home 
>>> routers. These even included your wifi network name _and_ password!
>>> (it's been several years since then).
>>> 
>>> And home users are _completely_ unaware of this.
>>> 
>>> So my question to you folks is:
>>> 
>>> - What's the policy regulations on this? I don't remember the features 
>>> (thousands) but I'm pretty sure you could some profiling with it.
>>> 
>>> - Is anyone aware of any public discussion on this? I have never seen it.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Giovane Moura

Re: ISP data collection from home routers

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

This is an enormous problem, see: 
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2021/10/ftc-staff-report-finds-many-internet-service-providers-collect-troves-personal-data-users-have-few

Consumers should have legal say in how or wether their data are harvested and 
also sold.

Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
CEO 
l...@6by7.net
"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
world.”

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> On Mar 24, 2022, at 3:44 AM, Giovane C. M. Moura via NANOG  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello there,
> 
> Several years ago, a friend of mine was working for a large telco and his job 
> was to detect which clients had the worst networking experience.
> 
> To do that, the telco had this hadoop cluster, where it collected _tons_ of 
> data from home users routers, and his job was to use ML to tell the signal 
> from the noise.
> 
> I remember seeing a sample csv from this data, which contained _thousands_ of 
> data fields (features) from each client.
> 
> I was _shocked_ by the amount of (meta)data they are able to pull from home 
> routers. These even included your wifi network name _and_ password!
> (it's been several years since then).
> 
> And home users are _completely_ unaware of this.
> 
> So my question to you folks is:
> 
> - What's the policy regulations on this? I don't remember the features 
> (thousands) but I'm pretty sure you could some profiling with it.
> 
> - Is anyone aware of any public discussion on this? I have never seen it.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Giovane Moura

Re: IPv6 "bloat"

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe]

It seems sketchy to me to even retain client MAC information, no? Genuine 
question.

Didn’t we go to a distinct unique identifier system for this very reason?

Am I in the 1990s here or?

We’re just handing out addresses to UEs and things seem to work fine.  For me 
personally, I find the notation of v6 to be very unasthetic, so I tend to just 
conceal it from myself now.

-LB

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> On Mar 19, 2022, at 3:56 PM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/19/22 6:50 PM, Michael Thomas wrote:
>> On 3/19/22 3:47 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>> It has "features" which are at a minimum problematic and at a maximum show 
>>> stoppers for network operators.
>>> 
>>> IPv6 seems like it was designed to be a private network communication 
>>> stack, and how an ISP would use and distribute it was a second though.
>> What might those be? And it doesn't seem to be a show stopper for a lot of 
>> very large carriers.
> 
> Primarily the ability to end-to-end authenticate end devices.   The primary 
> and largest glaring issue is that DHCPv6 from the client does not include the 
> MAC address, it includes the (I believe) UUID.
> 
> We have to sniff the packets to figure out the MAC so that we can 
> authenticate the client and/or assign an IP address to the client properly.
> 
> It depends how you're managing the network.  If you're running PPPoE you can 
> encapsulate in that.   But PPPoE is very 1990 and has its own set of 
> problems.  For those running encapsulated traffic, authentication to the 
> modem MAC via DHCP that becomes broken.  And thus far, I have not seen a 
> solution offered to it.
> 
> 
> Secondly - and less importantly to deployment, IPv6 also provides a layer of 
> problematic tracking for advertisers.  Where as before many devices were 
> behind a PAT, now every device has a unique ID -- probably for the life of 
> the device. Marketers can now pinpoint down not just to an IP address that 
> identifies a single NAT interface, but each individual device.  This is 
> problematic from a data collection standpoint.
> 

Re: are underwater routers a thing?

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe]

Surprisingly it is power that primarily limits repeater count in undersea spans.

Ie, most available power is going to be eaten up budget wise by the repeaters, 
leaving none for routers.

It’s not terribly clear that a router would substantially benefit things that a 
ROADM could not also accomplish, and those do exist in undersea systems.

As routers decrease in power and coalesce with silicon photonics, this may 
change.

-LB

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> On Mar 17, 2022, at 6:42 PM, Michael Thomas  wrote:
> 
> I was reading an article in the Economist about a new fiber route down the 
> Red Sea from Israel and wondered if there were any branches off of those 
> lines and where the routers were for them. The route kind of made it look 
> like it was completely at sea, but it would kind of make sense to leave them 
> at sea if you could put a router there.
> 
> Mike
> 

Re: Asia Apac networks

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

This sort of thing in general is not uncommon in my experience.  Many networks 
weight our outbound with local preferences. 

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> On Mar 9, 2022, at 2:30 AM, Edvinas Kairys  wrote:
> 
> 
>   Hello,
> 
> We've introduced Cogent network in Equinix Honk Kong DC. But seems via that 
> link we're just receiving just only 5% of our traffic, other part of incoming 
> traffic is received via our other ISPs like NTT, Simcentrc, and Equinix IXP.
> I know it's very naïve to expect the traffic load balance equally between 3 
> ISPs (4 if IXP is counted) using just one /24 subnet. According to most of 
> BGP looking glasses in Asia, traffic via Cogent is least preferred even when 
> i've added 6x prepend AS on our other mentioned providers to make route via 
> Cogent more attractive. But nothing helps - seems main providers in Asia made 
> routes via Cogent least preferable by lowering the local preference to it, 
> that why prepending from our side doesn't help.
> 
> Maybe someone has experience or similar problems with ISPs in Asia network ?
> 
> 

Vodafone-UA

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe]

Can someone (anyone) from Vodafone Ukraine contact me off-list about an urgent 
national security matter.  Thanks.
-LB

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Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe]

If sanctions were to come out after payment was received but before services 
are rendered, most providers would still not be able to provide the service.

It’s also likely that banks in question can no longer forward funds from 
Russia, even if it were still possible to provide a service.  I’m not a lawyer 
and this is where you need one, but doing business at all in Russia is going to 
become close to impossible.

I’d be curious to know how much of Cogent’s decision was weighted by choosing 
not to connect Russian customers vs being legally forced to stop.

A third possibility is that Cogent’s Russian entity (if they have one) or their 
US one is refusing to install new state-mandated surveillance hardware or 
follow certain procedures such as FSB/NSA letters, etc.

-LB

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> On Mar 4, 2022, at 1:45 PM, David Conrad  wrote:
> 
> On Mar 4, 2022, at 1:14 PM, Bryan Fields  wrote:
>> On 3/4/22 3:52 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:
>>> I would argue they don't have much of a choice:
>>> 
>>> "The economic sanctions put in place as a result of the invasion and the
>>> increasingly uncertain security situation make it impossible for Cogent to
>>> continue to provide you with service."
>> 
>> But Tier 1's don't pay for peering.
> 
> As someone who once had to have lawyers argue (at different times) with the 
> US Dept. of Treasury for (a) providing open source software deemed a munition 
> internationally and (b) updating certain globally accessible lists of names 
> and numbers for Internet use at no charge (under a US government contract no 
> less): you do not have to receive money to be viewed as providing a service.
> 
> Regards,
> -drc
> 

Re: Russian aligned ASNs?

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe]

-LB

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> On Feb 24, 2022, at 7:48 PM, Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe  
> wrote:
> 
> My personal opinion is that the best thing for democracy and the world in 
> general is to keep the flow of information moving.  Coordinate with your 
> contacts in DHS/CISA/etc. 
> 
> I have friends and loved ones affected, I know many here do as well. Godspeed 
> everyone.
> 
> -LB
> 
> Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
> 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
> CEO 
> b...@6by7.net <mailto:b...@6by7.net>
> "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
> world.”
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> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 24, 2022, at 4:40 PM, William Allen Simpson 
>> mailto:william.allen.simp...@gmail.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> There have been reports of DDoS and new targeted malware attacks.
>> 
>> There were questions in the media about cutting off the Internet.
>> 
>> Apparently some Russian government sites have already cut themselves
>> off, presumably to avoid counterattacks.
>> 
>> Would it improve Internet health to refuse Russian ASN announcements?
>> 
>> What is our community doing to assist Ukraine against these attacks?
> 

Re: LEC copper removal from commercial properties

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe]

For what a 100watt 1U box?

-LB

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> On Feb 16, 2022, at 6:14 PM, Paul Emmons  wrote:
> 
> Do MSOs and CLEC/fiber providers require free power and space?
> 
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022, 7:59 PM Martin Hannigan  > wrote:
> 
> NANOG'ers;
> 
> At least in Boston, commercial property owners are receiving notices that 
> 'copper  lines are being removed per FCC rules' and replaced with fiber. The 
> property owner, not the network operators (or users of unbundled elements if 
> that's even still a thing) are being presented with an agreement that 
> acknowledges the removal, authorizes the fiber installation and provides for 
> a minor oversight of the design. It suggests that no costs are involved in 
> terms of hosting equipment. No power reimbursement. No rent for spaces used. 
> 
> There is an ominous paragraph in the letter that says if the property owner 
> doesn't comply that tenants will lose all services including elevator phones, 
> alarms, voice, internet and any copper/ds0 originated services. They didn't 
> say 911, but that would go without saying. 
> 
> Has anyone heard of this?
> What FCC rule requires this?
> 
> Thanks for any insights.
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Martin

Re: Authoritative Resources for Public DNS Pinging

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe]

Seems way easier than literally everything else being proposed to me, am I 
missing something?
-LB

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> On Feb 9, 2022, at 12:15 PM, Tom Beecher  wrote:
> 
> Side note, am I missing something obvious where I can’t just have hardware 
> routers strip ICMP, pipe it separately, put 500 VMs behind 4 vLBs and let the 
> world ping the brains out of it?
> 
> Seems like a lot of overhead for zero benefit.  
> 
> On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 2:11 PM Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe  <mailto:l...@6by7.net>> wrote:
> ok that’s amazing.
> 
> RFC1149 amazing.
> 
> 
> Side note, am I missing something obvious where I can’t just have hardware 
> routers strip ICMP, pipe it separately, put 500 VMs behind 4 vLBs and let the 
> world ping the brains out of it?
> 
> Who owns 69.69.69.69 - collab?
> 
> How naff is this?
> 
> -LB
> 
> Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
> 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
> CEO 
> b...@6by7.net <mailto:b...@6by7.net>
> "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
> world.”
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> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2022, at 9:38 AM, Jay Hennigan > <mailto:j...@west.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> On 2/8/22 23:42, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
>> 
>>> The only problem is the less friendly IP address (although this will
>>> be less and less a problem with IPv6, since 2001:4860:4860:: is
>>> not really friendly).
>> 
>> Fun fact: Someone at Sprint had the same hobby as I did in the early 1970s. 
>> Their website resolves to 2600:: which I think is rather friendly. :-)
>> 
>> Please don't use it for an IPv6 ping target, thanks.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jay Hennigan - j...@west.net <mailto:j...@west.net>
>> Network Engineering - CCIE #7880
>> 503 897-8550 - WB6RDV
> 

Re: Authoritative Resources for Public DNS Pinging

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe]

Perhaps owning a (small but global) cloud computing & telecom company has 
spoiled me, but it seems like a trivial amount of resources to me for any 
moderately sized company let alone a large tech/telecom like anything you’d 
have heard of.

-LB

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CEO 
b...@6by7.net
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world.”
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> On Feb 9, 2022, at 12:15 PM, Tom Beecher  wrote:
> 
> Side note, am I missing something obvious where I can’t just have hardware 
> routers strip ICMP, pipe it separately, put 500 VMs behind 4 vLBs and let the 
> world ping the brains out of it?
> 
> Seems like a lot of overhead for zero benefit.  
> 
> On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 2:11 PM Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe  <mailto:l...@6by7.net>> wrote:
> ok that’s amazing.
> 
> RFC1149 amazing.
> 
> 
> Side note, am I missing something obvious where I can’t just have hardware 
> routers strip ICMP, pipe it separately, put 500 VMs behind 4 vLBs and let the 
> world ping the brains out of it?
> 
> Who owns 69.69.69.69 - collab?
> 
> How naff is this?
> 
> -LB
> 
> Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
> 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
> CEO 
> b...@6by7.net <mailto:b...@6by7.net>
> "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
> world.”
> ANNOUNCING: 6x7 GLOBAL MARITIME <https://alexmhoulton.wixsite.com/6x7networks>
> 
> FCC License KJ6FJJ
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2022, at 9:38 AM, Jay Hennigan > <mailto:j...@west.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> On 2/8/22 23:42, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
>> 
>>> The only problem is the less friendly IP address (although this will
>>> be less and less a problem with IPv6, since 2001:4860:4860:: is
>>> not really friendly).
>> 
>> Fun fact: Someone at Sprint had the same hobby as I did in the early 1970s. 
>> Their website resolves to 2600:: which I think is rather friendly. :-)
>> 
>> Please don't use it for an IPv6 ping target, thanks.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jay Hennigan - j...@west.net <mailto:j...@west.net>
>> Network Engineering - CCIE #7880
>> 503 897-8550 - WB6RDV
> 

Re: Authoritative Resources for Public DNS Pinging

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe]

Exactly.  8.8.8.8 isn’t going down anytime soon, also is geographically 
redundant; even if half the internet is dead, it’ll still be there.It’s 
somewhat hard to duplicate that cheap.

What else is like that and easy to remember and isn’t 1.1.1.1 ?

-LB

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CEO 
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> On Feb 9, 2022, at 12:25 PM, Christopher Morrow  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 2:10 PM Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe  <mailto:l...@6by7.net>> wrote:
> ok that’s amazing.
> 
> RFC1149 amazing.
> 
> 
> Side note, am I missing something obvious where I can’t just have hardware 
> routers strip ICMP, pipe it separately, put 500 VMs behind 4 vLBs and let the 
> world ping the brains out of it?
> 
> 
> I suspect that half the reason: "ping 8.8.8.8" (do not do this!) is used is: 
> "easy to remember 8.8.8.8"
> and half is: "Well, that IP is well connected enough that you are reasonably 
> assured that: 'enough of the internet is up '" if it replies.
> 
> (maybe it's 75/25? or 80/20 not 5050... but you get my point) 

Re: Authoritative Resources for Public DNS Pinging

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe]

ok that’s amazing.

RFC1149 amazing.


Side note, am I missing something obvious where I can’t just have hardware 
routers strip ICMP, pipe it separately, put 500 VMs behind 4 vLBs and let the 
world ping the brains out of it?

Who owns 69.69.69.69 - collab?

How naff is this?

-LB

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6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
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> On Feb 9, 2022, at 9:38 AM, Jay Hennigan  > wrote:
> 
> On 2/8/22 23:42, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
> 
>> The only problem is the less friendly IP address (although this will
>> be less and less a problem with IPv6, since 2001:4860:4860:: is
>> not really friendly).
> 
> Fun fact: Someone at Sprint had the same hobby as I did in the early 1970s. 
> Their website resolves to 2600:: which I think is rather friendly. :-)
> 
> Please don't use it for an IPv6 ping target, thanks.
> 
> -- 
> Jay Hennigan - j...@west.net 
> Network Engineering - CCIE #7880
> 503 897-8550 - WB6RDV

Re: Fiber contractor in Washington state

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

Interestingly I’m looking for the same thing at the moment, need a lateral and 
a few blocks trenched.

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> On Feb 8, 2022, at 4:47 PM, Ross Tajvar  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm looking for a fiber contractor to trench some fiber on private property 
> and then splice it inside. The work will be in Washington state, north of 
> Spokane. Does anyone have recommendations? On- and off-list welcome.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ross

Re: Authoritative Resources for Public DNS Pinging

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe]

Orly? 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=10937 ttl=112 time=44.408 ms
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=10938 ttl=112 time=43.480 ms
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=10939 ttl=112 time=57.839 ms
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=10940 ttl=112 time=38.816 ms

-LB

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> On Feb 8, 2022, at 12:39 PM, Lukas Tribus  > wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 at 18:56, Mike Hammett  > wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, pinging public DNS servers is bad.
>> 
>> Googling didn't help me find anything.
>> 
>> Are there any authoritative resources from said organizations saying you 
>> shouldn't use their servers for your persistent ping destinations?
> 
> This was just posted by Matthew Walster on the outages list (since
> 8.8.8.8 stopped responding to ICMP somewhere):
> 
> https://peering.google.com/#/learn-more/faq 
> 
> 
> 
> Lukas

Re: What do you think about this airline vs 5G brouhaha?

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

Jay, one thing you’re missing is that a maximum of 2 (and almost always 1) 
radar altimeter will be in use per airfield, as one aircraft will be landing at 
a time. 

2 at SFO in good weather. (Where it doesn’t matter if they work). 

Apparently some old gear has trouble with even a 500MHz guard band, which I 
also find astonishingly bad for any time, but a lot of aviation tech is truly 
from another century. 

They also have main lobes approx 80* wide so they still function when the plane 
is in 40* of bank.

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> On Jan 18, 2022, at 2:25 PM, Jay Hennigan  wrote:
> 
> On 1/18/22 12:29, Michael Thomas wrote:
>> I really don't know anything about it. It seems really late to be having 
>> this fight now, right?
> 
> From a technical standpoint it seems to me to be a non-issue. There's a 220 
> MHz guard band. 5G signals top out at 3980 MHz and radar altimeters operate 
> between 4200 and 4400 MHz.
> 
> If a signal 220 MHz away is going to interfere, then radar altimeters on 
> other aircraft operating in the same band would clearly be a far greater 
> threat, and those radar altimeter signals will be rather numerous near 
> airports. In other words, if non-correlated signals 220 MHz away are going to 
> interfere, then signals within the same band are going to be a far greater 
> source of interference.
> 
> Radar receivers are typically some form of direct conversion with rather good 
> selectivity, synchronized to the frequency of the transmitted pulse. In 
> addition, radar altimeter antennas are pointed at the ground, perpendicular 
> to the horizon. Cell site antennas by design are aimed more or less toward 
> the horizon, not pointed straight up at the sky.
> 
> There's also an existing FCC mobile allocation from 4400 to 4500 MHz directly 
> adjacent to the aeronautical radar band on the high side with no guard band, 
> yet no complaints about that.
> 
> IMNSHO, the concern that 5G cellular signals will cause airplanes to fall out 
> of the sky has about this >< much more credence than the concern that 5G 
> signals cause coronavirus.
> 
> It shouldn't be that hard to instrument an aircraft with test equipment, buzz 
> a few operating cell towers, and come up with hard data.
> 
> -- 
> Jay Hennigan - j...@west.net
> Network Engineering - CCIE #7880
> 503 897-8550 - WB6RDV

Re: What do you think about this airline vs 5G brouhaha?

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

Let’s be clear, this is not a 5G issue.  LTE in the space spectrum would be an 
issue.  

This is a spectrum issue. Only.

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> On Jan 18, 2022, at 2:15 PM, Mel Beckman  wrote:
> 
>  Apples and oranges Michael. The US domestic aviation environment is quite 
> different than even Europe or and especially smaller countries overseas. And 
> how long has 5G been out anyway? I hardly think that’s been available for 
> enough of a safety track record in any country.
> 
> -mel via cell
> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2022, at 2:06 PM, Mel Beckman  wrote:
>>> 
>>  Shane,
>> 
>> Incorrect. Owning spectrum also includes the right to interference-free 
>> operation. And you imply that the FAA and airline industry has done nothing, 
>> when in reality it’s the FCC who has done nothing. the FAA sponsored 
>> extensive engineering tests that demonstrate the interference is a concern, 
>> and they notified all the parties well in advance. The fCC et al chose to do 
>> no research of their own, and are basing all their assumptions on operation 
>> in other countries, which even you must admit can’t really be congruent with 
>> the US.
>> 
>> -mel via cell
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2022, at 2:01 PM, sro...@ronan-online.com wrote:
>>> 
>>>  The thing is aviation DOESN’T own this spectrum, they just assumed it 
>>> would always be unused. And they failed to mention it would be a problem 
>>> during the last 5 years of discussion regarding the use of this spectrum.
>>> 
>>> Shane
>>> 
 On Jan 18, 2022, at 4:25 PM, Mel Beckman  wrote:
 
 
 Michael,
 
 Here’s a recent PCmag editorial on the subject, and it seems like many 
 people want to put Internet speed above airline safety:
 
 https://www.pcmag.com/news/faa-goes-in-hard-to-kill-mid-band-5g
 
 This issue definitely impacts network operations for 5G providers, so 
 makes sense to discuss here.
 
 Here’s a comment from a friend of mine who has been both a network 
 engineer and a pilot for United Airlines, posted on the article linked 
 above:
 
 “As a pilot, I can tell you that landing in instrument conditions is by 
 far the most critical flight regime possible, during which the radar 
 altimeter reports are a matter of life and death. There is no alternative 
 technology, such as GPS, with the required accuracy and reliability, to 
 provide approach guidance down to the runway in zero-zero weather, which 
 is what the radar altimeter does. 
 
 The collective tech industry needs to admit that it made a huge blunder 
 when it urged the FCC’s clueless Ajit Pai to “blow off” the clearly 
 demonstrated FAA spectrum conflict. Sorry, passengers, but if you look out 
 your window, you’ll see that aviation owns this spectrum and is entitled 
 to interference-free operation. Replacing all radar altimeters isn’t going 
 to happen in time for 5G anyway — it took more than ten years just to 
 deploy anti-collision technology. So do what you should have done from the 
 beginning: follow the FCC rules of non-interference to existing users, who 
 have clear priority in this case.”
 
 I tend to agree with him, and it looks like the 5G providers and FAA 
 agreed last week to put some buffer safety zones around runway approaches 
 at 50 major airports:
 
 https://www.cnet.com/news/faa-lists-50-airports-getting-temporary-buffer-zones-blocking-new-5g-signals/
 
 
 -mel 
 
> On Jan 18, 2022, at 12:33 PM, Michael Thomas  wrote:
> 
> 
> I really don't know anything about it. It seems really late to be having 
> this fight now, right?
> 
> Mike
> 

Re: What do you think about this airline vs 5G brouhaha?

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

Interference with radar altimeters is a serious issue.   As a pilot myself, if 
this fails, you crash with all hands lost.  

That said, we should be able to eliminate the possibility of any interference. 

So this shouldn’t be a thing.

But also, you don’t f- with radar altimeters.

Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
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> On Jan 18, 2022, at 12:32 PM, Michael Thomas  wrote:
> 
> I really don't know anything about it. It seems really late to be having this 
> fight now, right?
> 
> Mike

Re: Long hops on international paths

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

Carrier class core routers still cost half a million dollars each or (way) 
more, so it’s not uncommon for there to be 2-4 in a metro.

And there are only a few metros that have undersea cable landing stations.

We deploy a minimum of a pair of core routers everywhere, but with our 
BGP/OSPF/iBGP core your path through us generally won’t change even though 
there’s an alternative path with slightly lower route pref. (Absent loss of 
both physical path and physical alternate)

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> On Jan 17, 2022, at 1:23 PM, Pengxiong Zhu  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
> Just curious. How do you determine they are the same routers? Is it based on 
> IP address or MAC addresses? Or using CAIDA’s router alias database?
> 
> Also how do you draw the conclusion that the AS1299 router is indeed in 
> Chicago? IP-geolocation based on rDNS is not always accurate though. 
> 
> 
> Pengxiong 
> 
>> On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 10:03 AM PAUL R BARFORD  wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I am a researcher at the University of Wisconsin.  My colleagues at 
>> Northwestern University and I are studying international Internet 
>> connectivity and would appreciate your perspective on a recent finding.
>> 
>> We're using traceroute data from CAIDA's Ark project for our work.  We've 
>> observed that many international links (i.e., a single hop on an end-to-end 
>> path that connects two countries where end points on the hop are identified 
>> via rDNS) tend to originate/terminate at the same routers.  Said another 
>> way, we are observing a relatively small set of routers in different 
>> countries tend to have a majority of the international connections - this is 
>> especially the case for hops that terminate in the US.  For example, there 
>> is a router operated by Telia (AS1299) in Chicago that has a high 
>> concentration of such links.  We were a bit surprised by this finding since 
>> even though it makes sense that the set of providers is relatively small 
>> (i.e., those that offer global connectivity), we assumed that the set of 
>> routers that used for international connectivity within any one country 
>> would tend to be more widely distributed (at least with respect to how they 
>> appear in traceroute data - MPLS notwithstanding).
>> 
>> We're interested in whether or not this is indeed standard practice and if 
>> so, the cost/benefit for configuring international connectivity in this way?
>> 
>> Any thoughts or insights you might have would be greatly appreciated - 
>> off-list responses are welcome.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Regards, PB
>> 
>> Paul Barford
>> University of Wisconsin - Madison
>> 
> -- 
> 
> Regards,
> Pengxiong Zhu
> Department of Computer Science and Engineering
> University of California, Riverside

Re: ipv4 on mobile networks

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

I’m typing this on an LTE UE on our network with a NAT’d IPv4 IP address. 

Feels relevant.

—L.B.

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> On Oct 24, 2021, at 10:58 PM, Mark Tinka  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/25/21 01:35, Masataka Ohta wrote:
> 
>> 
>> So are IP entities behind NAT. So?
> 
> Your point being...?
> 
> Mark.

Re: Network visibility

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

Outside the datacenter is where DC power really shines in my opinion.  Inside 
the DC, everything is AC now and probably for the best.

We never came up with a modular standard for -48VDC. Perhaps that could have 
changed things.

But it sure is nice having 72hrs of battery run time in the field/edge - 
although those are becoming mini data centers themselves and are in turn also 
slowly going AC.

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> On Oct 20, 2021, at 10:19 PM, Mark Tinka  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10/20/21 20:37, Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE wrote:
>> 
>> -48VDC power is still the best.
> 
> I really envy folk that love DC for networking gear :-).
> 
> Work in 2007 was an all-DC network. I rebuilt it into AC, considering the ISP 
> also owned the data centre (most of whose customers bought AC). The space we 
> freed up and the ease of deployment was night & day.
> 
> Currently, we obviously need DC for the terrestrial Transport and wet plants 
> (because that's just how classic telco rolls), but I also switched all 
> IP/MPLS gear to AC soon as I arrived. Heck, even the Arbor (now Netscout) 
> gear, as well as the HP server rack, was loaded with DC power supplies. Those 
> things just had to go.
> 
> There is an avenue of pleasure in not having to spend inordinate amounts of 
> time adding major electrical planning to deploying/decommissioning a router, 
> switch or server.
> 
> But yeah, I know the AC vs. DC discussion can become a rat hole.
> 
> I'm aware of data centre operators now providing DC as an option for their 
> expansion projects, when they previously had it as the norm, FWIW.
> 
> Mark.

Re: Network visibility

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

> On Oct 20, 2021, at 8:04 AM, Mark Tinka  > wrote:
> 
> 
> At any rate, you may very well need more than one system to monitor your 
> entire network.
> 
> Mark.

Not the least of reasons for this: Redundancy.  We have more than 1 tool doing 
every job, incase there’s a bug with something someday, or some platform 
reboots during a hurricane, etc.  2 is 1 and 1 is none and -48VDC power is 
still the best. 

Happy Birthday Internet <3 

—L.B.

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Re: 100GbE beyond 40km

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

Above 40km I like coherent systems with FEC. You can feed the juniper into a 
pair of SolidOptics 1U appliances 

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> On Sep 24, 2021, at 2:35 PM, Edwin Mallette  wrote:
> 
> I just bite the bullet and use 3rd party optics.  It’s easier and once  you 
> make the switch, lower cost. 
> 
> Ed
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2021, at 12:29 AM, Joe Freeman  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Open Line Systems can get you to 80K with a 100G DWDM Optic (PAM4) -
>> 
>> I've used a lot of SmartOptics DCP-M40 shelves for this purpose. They also 
>> have transponders that allow you to go from a QSFP28 to CFP to do coherent 
>> 100G out to 120Km using the DCP-M40, without a need for regen or extra amps 
>> in line.
>> 
>> The DCP-M40 is a 1RU box. It looks like a deep 40ch DWDM filter but includes 
>> a VAO, EDFA amp, and a WSS I think. 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 4:40 PM Randy Carpenter  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How is everyone accomplishing 100GbE at farther than 40km distances?
>>> 
>>> Juniper is saying it can't be done with anything they offer, except for a 
>>> single CFP-based line card that is EOL.
>>> 
>>> There are QSFP "ZR" modules from third parties, but I am hesitant to try 
>>> those without there being an equivalent official part.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The application is an ISP upgrading from Nx10G, where one of their fiber 
>>> paths is ~35km and the other is ~60km.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> thanks,
>>> -Randy

Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

Honestly good call and we’re looking at raising funds to do exactly that - 
however some of these buildings have values near a billion dollars each and 
there is more money in commercial real estate than telecom.

In my experience these things tend to crop-up with ownership of the building 
being a lot newer than the telco’s presence.   at $dayjob I’ve seen it 
personally - "MPOE access denied, you don’t have an agreement with the RMC”  
then we produce an agreement (with us) that pre-dates the RMC’s agreement.  We 
can find the docs, but not every telco has every document from generations ago 
in some cases.

I’ve found in almost every business, there is a much greater efficiency 
presumed than realized.   Since I was a child I’ve felt that automation could 
fix this.

—L.B.

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> On Sep 22, 2021, at 8:49 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> 
> On 9/22/21 6:12 PM, Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE wrote:
>> If someone were to make us remove a redundant DWDM node, we’d charge them 
>> list price to ever consider putting it back*, plus a deposit, plus our costs 
>> for the removal in the first place.  Bad move.  Enjoy the $8million, it 
>> could cost more than that to undo this mistake.
>> *you’d actually never ever get it back in the form you’d want. We’ll never 
>> trust the site again and won’t place critical infrastructure there, we’d 
>> only build back what’s needed to serve the use.
> 
> 
> 
> Buy the building then. Owners change and some are more friendly than others. 
> Why would someone ever place critical infrastructure at a site without a 
> solid agreement that prohibits removal, or at least making them whole 
> financially so they don't have to take it out on the next person that comes 
> along? I'd hate to be the poor customer that gets treated as lesser class 
> because a previous owner caused hurt feelings.

Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

If someone were to make us remove a redundant DWDM node, we’d charge them list 
price to ever consider putting it back*, plus a deposit, plus our costs for the 
removal in the first place.  Bad move.  Enjoy the $8million, it could cost more 
than that to undo this mistake.

*you’d actually never ever get it back in the form you’d want. We’ll never 
trust the site again and won’t place critical infrastructure there, we’d only 
build back what’s needed to serve the use.

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> On Sep 22, 2021, at 9:58 AM, William Herrin  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 9:29 AM  wrote:
>> A few of the buildings that my firm represents have the local telco’s fiber 
>> distribution and/or repeater equipment located on the premises. My 
>> understanding is that when one of these links go down, (we’ve occasionally 
>> had to interrupt circuit power to do maintenance in a building for one 
>> reason or another), a local engineering tech always comes running to restore 
>> the link. The tech has led our maintenance staff to believe that these 
>> repeaters are an integral part of the local ring, which fits my 
>> understanding.
>> 
>> When a network operator has equipment located at a third party premises, 
>> what is the norm for commercial contractual terms regarding the siting of 
>> that equipment? Any network equipment on site pre-dates my client’s 
>> ownership of the buildings, and they have no record of any agreements or 
>> easements governing who is responsible for power, maintenance, liability, 
>> etc.
>> 
>> My client has no philosophical objection to having the equipment on site, 
>> but he’s asked why he has had to pay to power and cool this equipment for 
>> almost 20 years when it serves him no benefit (he is not utilizing that 
>> company’s services). I figure some of you may be able to give me an insight 
>> as to what is normal and reasonable. Feel free to contact me directly if 
>> this message is not suitable for this distribution list.
> 
> 
> The equipment is generally there at the invitation of someone who has
> purchased services from the operator with the typically verbal
> permission of the building owner. It will be removed more or less
> promptly on demand, but you don't want to do that. When you or a
> tenant want to buy their services, getting them to bring the equipment
> in is difficult and generally not timely. And having previously
> hassled them, it would certainly not come without cost.
> 
> The immediate availability of services from the vendor positively
> impacts the utility of the whole building. This is a plus for you at
> the relatively modest cost of providing some electricity.
> 
> The equipment should be battery backed with at least a day's worth of
> power. If it isn't, tell them you're doing renovations and can't
> guarantee uninterrupted power. Advise them to upgrade or replace the
> battery string. What they do beyond that is up to them.
> 
> The equipment is likely part of the local ring but if they permanently
> remove it, they'll simply splice the fiber removing that stop on the
> ring. So it isn't a huge deal to remove it, but it'll be a big deal to
> ever put it back. Even if you pay them.
> 
> The above primarily applies to the local telephone company equipment.
> There are also non-phone company network operators who site things
> which are intended to service the surrounding area rather than the
> building itself. Those typically have a more formal agreement, either
> a rent payment or comped services. The company will be able to produce
> that agreement (or at least relate its terms) upon request.
> 
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
> 
> -- 
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Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

Yes that’s correct, however the definition of “reasonable” appears to have been 
decided to be “what they charge the other carriers, if anything”

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> On Sep 22, 2021, at 9:53 AM, sro...@ronan-online.com wrote:
> 
> It gives them the right to enter the building, but the building can charge 
> “a reasonable fee” for things like power/space/cooling.
> 
> Shane Ronan
> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 12:45 PM, Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> Fiber in a building adds 8% to the value of that building.  Half-penny 
>> pinching “mah powah” landlords are especially annoying in a cosmic sense - 
>> and just make me want to replace them.
>> 
>> The telecommunications act of 1934 permits telcos to enter a building with 
>> their equipment. 
>> 
>> I’d upgrade the MPOE do a datacenter with 2N generators and UPS - then 
>> upsell them colo.
>> 
>> Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
>> 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
>> CEO 
>> l...@6by7.net
>> "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in 
>> the world.”
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>>>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 9:28 AM, jra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> A few of the buildings that my firm represents have the local telco’s fiber 
>>> distribution and/or repeater equipment located on the premises. My 
>>> understanding is that when one of these links go down, (we’ve occasionally 
>>> had to interrupt circuit power to do maintenance in a building for one 
>>> reason or another), a local engineering tech always comes running to 
>>> restore the link. The tech has led our maintenance staff to believe that 
>>> these repeaters are an integral part of the local ring, which fits my 
>>> understanding.
>>>  
>>> When a network operator has equipment located at a third party premises, 
>>> what is the norm for commercial contractual terms regarding the siting of 
>>> that equipment? Any network equipment on site pre-dates my client’s 
>>> ownership of the buildings, and they have no record of any agreements or 
>>> easements governing who is responsible for power, maintenance, liability, 
>>> etc.
>>>  
>>> My client has no philosophical objection to having the equipment on site, 
>>> but he’s asked why he has had to pay to power and cool this equipment for 
>>> almost 20 years when it serves him no benefit (he is not utilizing that 
>>> company’s services). I figure some of you may be able to give me an insight 
>>> as to what is normal and reasonable. Feel free to contact me directly if 
>>> this message is not suitable for this distribution list.
>>>  
>>> Appreciate the insight,
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Jeff Ray
>>> O:  (956) 542-3642
>>> C:  (956) 592-2019
>>> jra...@gmail.com
>>>  
>>>  
>>> This message has been sent as a part of a discussion between Jeff Ray and 
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>>> your cooperation and understanding.
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Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

Those, as well as cable and label tags with the NOC nunber, are worth their 
weight in gold to be honest.

Almost any telco should give you a Right of Entry agreement that codified 
things like insurance, etc.  It’s “our gear” so of course we are responsible 
for it, but you should codify it in an agreement 

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> On Sep 22, 2021, at 3:33 PM, Tim Howe  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 14:47:32 -0500
>  wrote:
> 
>> Whatever it is, the owner comes running when the local maintenance
>> apprentice unplugs it…. He tells me they show up within 30-45 minutes.
> 
>We've attempted to address this problem by having plastic tags
> on the power cords that basically say "don't unplug me!".  I call them
> "no no tags".  They were about $1.25 per to have them printed; they are
> about 7 x 3 inches.  I think our only issue has been an "IT Guy" who
> thought unplugging everything in the room would be a good first step to
> solving his unrelated network problems.
> 
> --TimH

Re: Fiber Network Equipment Commercial Norms

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

Fiber in a building adds 8% to the value of that building.  Half-penny pinching 
“mah powah” landlords are especially annoying in a cosmic sense - and just make 
me want to replace them.

The telecommunications act of 1934 permits telcos to enter a building with 
their equipment. 

I’d upgrade the MPOE do a datacenter with 2N generators and UPS - then upsell 
them colo.

Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
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> On Sep 22, 2021, at 9:28 AM, jra...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> A few of the buildings that my firm represents have the local telco’s fiber 
> distribution and/or repeater equipment located on the premises. My 
> understanding is that when one of these links go down, (we’ve occasionally 
> had to interrupt circuit power to do maintenance in a building for one reason 
> or another), a local engineering tech always comes running to restore the 
> link. The tech has led our maintenance staff to believe that these repeaters 
> are an integral part of the local ring, which fits my understanding.
>  
> When a network operator has equipment located at a third party premises, what 
> is the norm for commercial contractual terms regarding the siting of that 
> equipment? Any network equipment on site pre-dates my client’s ownership of 
> the buildings, and they have no record of any agreements or easements 
> governing who is responsible for power, maintenance, liability, etc.
>  
> My client has no philosophical objection to having the equipment on site, but 
> he’s asked why he has had to pay to power and cool this equipment for almost 
> 20 years when it serves him no benefit (he is not utilizing that company’s 
> services). I figure some of you may be able to give me an insight as to what 
> is normal and reasonable. Feel free to contact me directly if this message is 
> not suitable for this distribution list.
>  
> Appreciate the insight,
>  
>  
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Re: Never push the Big Red Button (New York City subway failure)

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

Code requires this here.  The intent of the EPO buttons are to immediately 
disconnect all energized power to the entire facility/building in the event of 
a critical fault like an electrical fire or electrocution. 

Only locally-battery powered low-voltage emergency lighting should still be 
operating.   Often the next step after EPO is to flood the room...
—L.B.

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> On Sep 15, 2021, at 8:58 AM, Adam Thompson  wrote:
> 
> Now I'm curious... in all of the DCs and COs I've worked in - to the best of 
> my knowledge, I haven't personally tested this! - the EPO button does not​ 
> switch to emergency power.  It turns off ALL equipment power in the space - 
> no lights, no klaxons, nothing.  In simpler setups, the EPO is connected to 
> the UPS so anything plugged in to the UPS does dark instantly.  In one DC I'm 
> familiar with, the EPO switch kills all the UPS output and​ uses several 
> relays to kill commercial power at the same time.
> In some, the room lights were not covered by the EPO switch, in some they 
> were.  Emergency exit lamps will continue to be lit, as they have internal 
> batteries, and are required by building/fire code.
> 
> Is it (somewhat) common for an EPO switch to only disconnect commercial power 
> and leave local redundant power live?  What sort of facilities would have 
> this?
> 
> -Adam
> 
> Adam Thompson
> Consultant, Infrastructure Services
> 
> 100 - 135 Innovation Drive
> Winnipeg, MB, R3T 6A8
> (204) 977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only)
> athomp...@merlin.mb.ca 
> www.merlin.mb.ca 
> From: NANOG  on behalf of Jay 
> R. Ashworth 
> Sent: September 11, 2021 22:23
> To: nanog 
> Subject: Re: Never push the Big Red Button (New York City subway failure)
>  
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Sean Donelan" 
> 
> > NEW YORK CITY TRANSIT RAIL CONTROL CENTER POWER
> > OUTAGE ISSUE ON AUGUST 29, 2021
> > Key Findings
> > September 8, 2021
> > 
> > https://www.governor.ny.gov/sites/default/files/2021-09/WSP_Key_Findings_Summary-for_release.pdf
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > Key Findings
> > [...]
> > 
> > 3. Based on the electrical equipment log readings and the manufacturer’s
> > official assessment, it was determined that the most likely cause of RCC
> > shutdown was the “Emergency Power Off” button being manually activated.
> 
> I don't even *do* datacenter for a living, and I know that when you hit the
> Molly button, 
> 
> 1) A Klaxon goes off in the Data Center -- one that sounds *different* from
> the Halon Klaxon, in both cadence and tone (just for a couple bursts), and
> 
> 2) Yellow rotating beacons turn on, and stay on while you're on Emergency 
> Power.
> 
> Yes, real honest-to-ghod *rotating mechanical beacons*, none of this flashing 
> LED
> crap.
> 
> Clearly, it's important that the use of Emergency Power be annoyingly 
> noticeable.
> 
> Cheers,
> -- jra
> -- 
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Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle! (geofeeds)

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

At the risk of going off-topic, there must be an over-representation of network 
engineers as their customer: because I bought the same TV to also use as a 4k 
monitor.

And the power supply on it just died.  Samsung makes a 39” 4k and I haven’t 
been able to find it.

How’s this relevant?  We’ve been using them as 4k desktop monitors visualizing 
fiber routing for years now.


—L.B.

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> On Aug 31, 2021, at 6:01 PM, Michael Thomas  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 8/31/21 4:40 PM, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote:
>> On the other hand, the last time I went looking for a 27” monitor, I ended 
>> up buying a 44” smart television because it was a cheaper HDMI 4K monitor 
>> than the 27” alternatives that weren’t televisions. (It also ended up being 
>> cheaper than the 27” televisions which didn’t do 4K only 1080p, but I 
>> digress).
> 
> Back when 4k just came out and they were really expensive, I found a "TV" by 
> an obscure brand called Seiki which was super cheap. It was a 39" model. It's 
> just a monitor to me, but I have gotten really used to its size and not 
> needing two different monitors (and the gfx card to support it). What's 
> distressing is that I was looking at what would happen if I needed to replace 
> it and there is this gigantic gap where there are 30" monitors (= expensive) 
> and 50" TV's which are relatively cheap. The problem is that 40" is sort of 
> Goldielocks with 4k where 50" is way too big and 30" is too small. Thankfully 
> it's going on 10 years old and still working fine.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

Yes, this is a real and dangerous problem.  Today.  Even with grounding I’m 
afraid.  Source: I’ve been working in an engineering capacity for 27 years and 
I have the license you’d need to build a nuclear power plant. 

Things people underestimate in my opinion: Water.  Wind.  Transformers.  
Earthquakes.
—L.B.

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> On Aug 25, 2021, at 12:22 PM, Jay Hennigan  wrote:
> 
> On 8/25/21 12:03, Jay Nugent wrote:
>> Greetings,
>> And in that moment before the circuit breaker on your generator trips, 
>> your 120/240 volts has been stepped up to 7200 through the "pole pig" 
>> transformer in your neighborhood, and has KILLED the lineman working to fix 
>> that 7200 feeder circuit.
>>It only takes a MOMENT to stop someone's heart through electocution. It 
>> takes several milliseconds to pop a breaker.
> 
> And it would have only taken that lineman a few seconds to attach a grounding 
> bond to the supposedly dead feeder and transformer before grabbing it 
> bare-handed while speculating as to why it sounds like there's an engine 
> running at constant RPM coming from the house connected to the service drop.
> 
> Serious accidents are often caused not by a single failure but several.
> 
> -- 
> Jay Hennigan - j...@west.net
> Network Engineering - CCIE #7880
> 503 897-8550 - WB6RDV

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

So the issue here is even a small 120vac current becomes a very fatal event at 
7.2 or 11 or 14.4kV.  It’s a safety issue for linepersons doing emergency 
restoration work.



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> On Aug 25, 2021, at 7:24 AM, Ethan O'Toole  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>>> How would this not load the generator or inverter into oblivion?
>> Not sure I understand your question. Say again, please.
> 
> If you hook 100KW of neighbors up to your 5KW/20% THD garden generator it 
> would probably trip the breaker, or stall.
> 
> I suppose it could be an issue if it was a single house on a branch where the 
> break being serviced was just that branch (rural customers.)
> 
> Was just curious why it wouldn't overload the generator trying to power all 
> the neighbors houses if connected to the grid.
> 
>- Ethan
> 

Re: "Tactical" /24 announcements

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

This will break the internet at scale. No.

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> On Aug 9, 2021, at 5:20 PM, Robert McKay  wrote:
> 
> On 2021-08-09 22:39, Baldur Norddahl wrote:
>> man. 9. aug. 2021 22.13 skrev Grzegorz Janoszka
>> :
 On 2021-08-09 17:47, Billy Croan wrote:
> How does the community feel about using /24 originations in BGP as
>>> a
 tactical advantage against potential bgp hijackers?
>>> RPKI is more effective than a competing /24. Unless they hijack you
>>> ASn
>>> as well.
>> You will usually get an as path length advantage even if they do
>> hijack your asn.
> 
> Unless your RPKI is set to allow /24 but you normally advertise /21 or 
> something shorter.. then RPKI works to the hijacker's advantage.
> 
> You could argue this is no different than before RPKI which is true.. except 
> that now that RPKI exists people are tempted to use it to automate 
> configuration and take humans out of the loop.
> 
> I imagine there are quite a few RPKI enabled prefixes (those configured to 
> allow too long advertisements) that are easier to hijack now than they were 
> before RPKI existed.
> 
> -Rob

Alien waves

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

Does anyone have a comprehensive (or any) list of carriers doing alien 
wavelengths? (background: 
https://thecinict.com/2021/03/05/adding-alien-wavelengths/ 
https://www.ekinops.com/solutions/optical-transport/alien-wavelength )

Emphasis on subsea operators.
—L.B.

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Re: 100G, input errors and/or transceiver issues

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

We... don’t see anything like this... on the transport side, FEC is more than 
sufficient to effectively eliminate errors.   On the LAN side, check your 
connections.

Reiterating that this is not normal or expected behavior.
—L.B.

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> On Jul 19, 2021, at 10:19 AM, Graham Johnston  
> wrote:
> 
> Saku,
> 
> I don't at this point have long term data collection compiled for the issues 
> that we've faced. That said, we have two 100G transport links that have a 
> regular background level of input errors at ranges that hover between 0.00055 
> to 0.00383 PPS on one link, and none to 0.00135 PPS (that jumped to 0.03943 
> PPS over the weekend). The range is often directionally associated rather 
> than variable behavior of a single direction. The data comes from the last 24 
> hours, the two referenced links are operated by different providers on very 
> different paths (opposite directions). Over shorter distances, we've 
> definitely seen input errors that have affected PNI connections within a 
> datacenter as well. In the case of the last PNI issue, the other party 
> swapped their transceiver, we didn't even physically touch our side; I note 
> this only to express that I don't think this is just a case of the 
> transceivers that we are sourcing.
> 
> Comparatively, other than clear transport system issues, I don't recall this 
> sort of thing at all with 10G "wavelength" transport that we had purchased 
> for years prior. I put wavelengths in quotes there knowing that it may have 
> been a while since our transport was a literal wavelength as compared to 
> being muxed into a 100G+ wavelength.
> 
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2021 at 12:01, Saku Ytti mailto:s...@ytti.fi>> 
> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2021 at 19:47, Graham Johnston
> mailto:johnston.grah...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hey Graham,
> 
> > How commonly do other operators experience input errors with 100G 
> > interfaces?
> > How often do you find that you have to change a transceiver out? Either for 
> > errors or another reason.
> > Do we collectively expect this to improve as 100G becomes more common and 
> > production volumes increase in the future?
> 
> New rule. Share your own data before asking others to share theirs.
> 
> IN DC, SP markets 100GE has dominated the market for several years
> now, so it rings odd to many at 'more common'. 112G SERDES is shipping
> on the electric side, and there is nowhere more mature to go from
> 100GE POV. The optical side, QSFP112, is really the only thing left to
> cost optimise 100GE.
> We've had our share of MSA ambiguity issues with 100GE, but today
> 100GE looks mature to our eyes in failure rates and compatibility. 1GE
> is really hard to support and 10GE is becoming problematic, in terms
> of hardware procurement.
> 
> 
> -- 
>   ++ytti

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe]

On the flip-side, what is the penalty for getting Telehealth calls wrong?  It 
could be death.

I’m gonna go coin “megaband” and the minimum upload is going to be 10,000mbps. 

I’m not sure there’s a rational objection to any of this.  Why should humans 
spend our lifetimes waiting on machines?  

640k, that’s all I have to say on the matter.

-LB

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> On May 31, 2021, at 6:14 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> How many simultaneous telehealth calls can you be in at a time? In my close 
> family (15 - 20 people), do you know how rare it is to have a medical 
> appointment in the same week as someone else, much less the same exact time, 
> much less the same exact time *and* in the same household?
> 
> That's the difference between people speaking emotionally and people speaking 
> rationally. Well sure, *everyone* has to care about healthcare, so let's 
> throw healthcare on the list of OMG things. No one is helped by people trying 
> to debate something's merit based on emotions.
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, WFH (or e-learning) is much more likely to have simultaneous uses.
> 
> Yes, I agree that 3 megs is getting thin for three video streams. Not 
> impossible, but definitely a lot more hairy. So then what about moving the 
> upload definition to 5 megs? 10 megs? 20 megs? Why does it need to be 100 
> megs?
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com 
> 
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com 
> 
> From: "Owen DeLong" 
> To: "Mike Hammett" 
> Cc: "Abhi Devireddy" , nanog@nanog.org
> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2021 5:17:36 AM
> Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections
> 
> 
> 
> On May 28, 2021, at 06:56 , Mike Hammett  > wrote:
> 
> "Bad connection" measures way more than throughput.
> 
> What about WFH or telehealth doesn't work on 25/3?
> 
> Pretty much everything if you have, say, 3+ people in your house trying to do 
> it at once…
> 
> A decent Zoom call requires ~750Kbps of upstream bandwidth. When you get two
> kids doing remote school and mom and dad each doing $DAYJOB via 
> teleconferences,
> that 3Mbps gets spread pretty thin, especially if you’ve got any other 
> significant use
> of your upstream connection (e.g. kids posting to Tik Tok, etc.)
> 
> Sure, for a single individual, 25/3 might be fine. For a household that has 
> the industry
> standard 2.53 people, it might even still work, but barely. Much above that 
> average
> and things degrade rapidly and not very gracefully.
> 
> Owen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com 
> 
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com 
> 
> From: "Abhi Devireddy" mailto:a...@devireddy.com>>
> To: nanog@nanog.org , "Jason Canady" 
> mailto:ja...@unlimitednet.us>>
> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 8:07:34 AM
> Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections
> 
> Don't think it needs to change? From 25/3? Telehealth and WFH would like to 
> talk with you.
> 
> There's very few things more draining than a conference call with someone 
> who's got a bad connection. 
> Abhi
> 
> Abhi Devireddy
> 
> From: NANOG  > on behalf of Jason 
> Canady mailto:ja...@unlimitednet.us>>
> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 7:39:14 AM
> To: nanog@nanog.org   >
> Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections
>  
> I second Mike.
> 
> On 5/28/21 8:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> I don't think it needs to change.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com 
> 
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com 
> 
> From: "Sean Donelan"  
> To: nanog@nanog.org 
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 7:29:08 PM
> Subject: New minimum speed for US broadband connections
> 
> 
> What should be the new minimum speed for "broadband" in the U.S.?
> 
> 
> This is the list of past minimum broadband speed definitions by year
> 
> year  speed
> 
> 1999  200 kbps in both directions (this was chosen as faster than 
> dialup/ISDN speeds)
> 
> 2000  200 kbps in at least one direction (changed because too many service 
> providers had 128 kbps upload)
> 
> 2010   4 mbps down / 1 mbps up
> 
> 2015   25 Mbps down / 3 Mbps up (wired)
>  5 Mbps down / 1 Mbps up (wireless)
> 
> 2021   ??? / ??? (some Senators propose 100/100 mbps)
> 
> Not only in major cities, but also rural areas
> 
> Note, the official broadband definition only mea

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe]

Agree Mark, we are lighting fiber into EADC Nairobi as we speak.  Watch 
society’s next golden age come out of Africa.  
-LB

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> On Jun 1, 2021, at 7:19 AM, Mark Tinka  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/1/21 15:49, Don Fanning wrote:
> 
>> One thing to consider in regards to "developing" places - most people in 
>> Africa and India get their internet from SmartPhones/Mobile devices.  Reason 
>> being: power, mobility, and that in many places, the phone company in many 
>> locations acts as a "western union" for their areas... including bill 
>> pay/wire transfer and digital wallet.  This is due to everyone has phone 
>> bills/minutes/data to purchase - as well as mobile purchasing with 
>> barcodes/SMS, etc...
> 
> The main reason mobile phones took off in Africa is because while almost all 
> countries on the continent had some kind of national telephone network and 
> infrastructure for at least 2.5 decades after independence, it suffered 
> neglect. It wasn't until around 1998 - 2003 that mobile operators sprang up 
> all over the continent, and immediately made landlines obsolete.
> 
> Had public PTT's been serious and kept looking to grow and serve, 
> post-independence, they may not have survived the "scourge" of the mobile 
> network, but they would have been in a great position to deliver wire-based 
> Internet access, be it copper or fibre, later in their lives.
> 
> That innovative services such as phone banking have emerged simply goes to 
> show that the mobile phone (and the network it rides on) is a pathway to 
> solving problems in a local community in a way that matters to them. No point 
> in crying about not being able to open a bank account simply because you 
> don't have a national ID or a street address, when someone who cares can 
> build a simple version of the need for use on even the cheapest of 
> un-smartphones.
> 
> 
>> 
>> They don't really "Netflix and chill" but when they do, you're likely to see 
>> multiple screens occurring and they'll still be on mobile or wifi.
> 
> Most users in Africa that can afford Netflix will usually have some kind of 
> wired service, or failing that, will use a MiFi router that translates 4G to 
> wi-fi. The mobile companies have data plans for all major content services, 
> so that helps deal with affordability there.
> 
> 
>>   So 4G/5G will be of greater benefit to crowded neighborhoods which there 
>> are a lot of them there.
> 
> For me, I still don't see 5G being a model for the mobile operators; too much 
> cost in a space where 4G isn't struggling.
> 
> Moreover, 5G makes sense in dense cities where fibre is already available. 
> Given the chance, the kids will choose wi-fi over *G, even if you offer them 
> unlimited mobile data.
> 
> 
>> Backhaul could easily occur over the LEO satellite constellation since it 
>> will be a long time before you'll see Africa and most of Asia needing 
>> constant signal coverage.
> 
> Africa's days of satellite to build backbones are long behind it. Fibre may 
> not be able to reach all the people, but it will reach the data centres, and 
> the mobile towers.
> 
> 
>> 
>> It's a mistake to think that everyone uses the internet the same way as 
>> people thinking that we all use our cell phones the same way.
> 
> +1.
> 
> Mark.

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe]

Thank you Baldur.  I also operate an owned and designed FTTH network, as well 
as global carrier networks.  

If you look at this from first principles, glass fiber optical cable is cheap.  
PVC/HDPE seething is also cheap.   Underground space is cheap.  

Construction, regulation, compliance, and financing are hard.

The latter are all human-caused.  There’s nothing fundamental here stopping us. 
 

So, we have a duty to proceed.

-LB

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> On Jun 1, 2021, at 2:40 AM, Baldur Norddahl  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 2:27 AM Mike Hammett  > wrote:
> No one's paying me anything except 15 years of practical experience building 
> last mile networks for myself and my clients. I'd imagine that while a larger 
> percentage than most venues, a minority of the people on this list build last 
> mile networks. Even fewer do so with their own money.
> 
> I have a fiber network where I offer gigabit bidirectional to the home.
> 
> 
> Few people have any sort of grasp of the cost and complexity of building what 
> they want.
> 
> Raising the the minimal definitions for everyone to what power users expect 
> is a foolish venture.
> 
> 
> Since you also replied to some of my comments, I will say that I am the 
> founder of a last mile FTTH provider in the greater Copenhagen, Denmark area 
> with thousands of customers. All built for our own money with zero subsidies 
> to customers that would pay good money to upgrade from DSL. I planned, 
> designed and built everything from the network, the outdoor plant, the method 
> we use to dig (directional drilling mostly), which pipes to use, what cable 
> etc. Also marketing, sales and funds raising - in short: everything. We did 
> this from nothing to a company with more than 100 employees today.
> 
> I claim to know the cost and complexity better than most.
> 
> I'm just trying to connect some of you to reality.
> 
> 
> I could say the same. But maybe our reality differs. You seem to be very hung 
> up on what minimums are needed to do a certain job. But that simply is not 
> it. If a person believes his internet is slow, then it is slow, no matter 
> what some experts think would be enough for that persons needs. That means he 
> will buy my offering even though he probably already has VDSL with speeds 
> faster than what you propose. It also means he will consider the available 
> options when weighting pros and cons of a new home.
> 
> Here in Denmark we have a problem that people are moving away from rural 
> areas and to the bigger cities. There are many reasons for this, but one 
> often quoted reason is the lack of good internet.
> 
> Good internet in Denmark is 1000 Mbps for less than USD $50 per month. But I 
> accept that 100 Mbps at a somewhat higher price point is probably a fine 
> speed for rural US, where distances are huge and alternative solutions, such 
> as fixed wireless, may need to be part of the solution. Or maybe Starlink is 
> the solution.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Baldur
> 
> 

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

Then honestly we should organize and do a better job.  

Imagine if all the carriers represented here worked together, combined builds, 
etc.

We’ve finally got a few of the tier-1s playing ball with us, but it took 27 
years. 

Anyone interested, reach out.  We’re going under the SF bay in a $50m project 
for instance.  First crossing in 20 years.  Clears the SFPUC cable too.  

I want everyone onboard, I don’t care about the money (though I’m not 
irresponsible with it) I care about connecting the world.

Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
CEO 
l...@6by7.net
"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
world.”

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> On Jun 2, 2021, at 12:33 AM, Mark Tinka  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 6/1/21 19:37, Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe wrote:
>> 
>> While I agree with you Mark that any practical technology should be used 
>> first to extend global communications in the first place, My goal of fiber 
>> water and power to every human remains.
> 
> I am reasonably certain that every NANOG reader shares this goal.
> 
> Mark.

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe]

I’ve had people cry about how fast the internet is at my office…

I guess your mileage may vary, but yes humans do notice those kinds of delays 
and they are cumulative.  (It’s not just bandwidth, it’s latency.  The 3ms ping 
in my signature is real too.)

-LB

Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
CEO 
b...@6by7.net
"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
world.”
ANNOUNCING: 6x7 GLOBAL MARITIME 

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> On Jun 1, 2021, at 10:33 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> "Why is 100/100 seen as problematic to the industry players?"
> 
> In rural settings, it's low density, so you're spending a bunch of money with 
> a low probability of getting any return. Also, a low probability that the 
> customer cares.
> 
> 
> "There's an underlying, I think, assumption that people won't use access 
> speed/bandwidth that keeps coming up."
> 
> On a 95th% basis, no, they don't use it.
> 
> On shorter time spans, sure. Does it really matter, though? If I can put a 
> 100 meg file into Dropbox in  under a second versus 10 seconds, does that 
> really matter? If Netflix gets my form submission in 0.01 seconds instead of 
> .1 seconds, does it matter?
> 
> 
> I think you'll find few to argue against "faster is better." The argument is 
> at what price? At what perceived benefit?
> 
> 
> Show me an average end-user that can tell the difference between a 10 meg 
> upload and a 1 gig upload, aside from media-heavy professionals or the 
> one-time full backup of a phone, PC, etc. Okay, show me two of them, ten of 
> them...
> 
> 
> 99% of the end-users I know can't tell the difference in any amount of speed 
> above 5 megs. It then just either works or doesn't work.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com 
> 
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com 
> 
> From: "Christopher Morrow" 
> To: "Mike Hammett" 
> Cc: aar...@gvtc.com, "nanog list" 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 1, 2021 12:14:43 PM
> Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 12:44 PM Mike Hammett  > wrote:
> That is true, but if no one uses it, is it really gone?
> 
> 
> 
> There's an underlying, I think, assumption that people won't use access 
> speed/bandwidth that keeps coming up.
> I don't think this is an accurate assumption. I don't think it's really ever 
> been accurate.
> 
> There are a bunch of examples in this thread of reasons why 'more than X' is 
> a good thing for the end-user, and that average usage over time is a bad 
> metric to use in the discussion. At the very least the ability to get 
> around/out-of serialization delays and microburst behavior is beneficial to 
> the end-user.
> 
> Maybe the question that's not asked (but should be) is:
>   "Why is 100/100 seen as problematic to the industry players?"

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe]

While I agree with you Mark that any practical technology should be used first 
to extend global communications in the first place, My goal of fiber water and 
power to every human remains.  

SMF28 has shown to be the only physical safe bet over half a century now, and I 
feel like we owe our customers a future. 

-LB

Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
CEO 
b...@6by7.net
"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
world.”
ANNOUNCING: 6x7 GLOBAL MARITIME 

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> On May 31, 2021, at 7:53 AM, Mark Tinka  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/31/21 11:32, Baldur Norddahl wrote:
> 
>> 
>> But why would the goal be fiber to every household? There are other ways to 
>> deliver good internet. In fact all of the major platforms can do so: fiber, 
>> coax, DSL, fixed wireless, 4G / 5G. The fiber platform will do so naturally, 
>> the others may require some extra investment but are still options.
> 
> I think the goal to get fibre to all corners should be maintained. However, 
> one has to remain practical and use the most appropriate alternative, if 
> fibre is not feasible.
> 
> 
>> 
>> Of course there are developing countries where the goal is any internet at 
>> all. I hope that is not the case for US broadband.
> 
> I have often been surprised about the quality of the Internet in "developed" 
> environments :-).
> 
> Mark.

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe]

Exactly <3

I’m not building today’s network… why would you build todays’ network?  It’s 
obsolete in 24 hours.

I’m building a network to out-last me…

Are other people not doing this?  The speed test in my signature is a 
residential connection, it’s real.  I can do 7gigs to a laptop now.  It’s 
astonishing.  AR environments and heck, video games are already there…. 

How can it be that so many fine minds don’t see this?   Does this create more 
opportunity for me, or just make my job of connecting the world; harder?

Happy Tuesday all.

-LB

Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
CEO 
b...@6by7.net
"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
world.”
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> On May 31, 2021, at 4:47 AM, Christian de Larrinaga  
> wrote:
> 
> Nobody needs more than 64k of RAM. 
> On Sun 30 May 2021 at 14:28, Mike Hammett  <mailto:na...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
> 
> 
>> That doesn't really serve any value and 99.99% of people would not 
>> pay
>> any more than $50 for the ability, so your ability to execute such a system 
>> is
>> limited.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>> 
>> Midwest-IX
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>> 
>> ━━━
>> From: "Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe" 
>> To: "Laura Smith" 
>> Cc: "NANOG Operators' Group" 
>> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 4:43:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections
>> 
>> I’m right there with you.  I can download an entire Mac OS update in 6 
>> minutes.
>> It’s astonishing.  I’d pay a grand a month for this.  I’d pay  five.
>> 
>> -LB
>> 
>> Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
>> 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC CEO b...@6by7.net
>> "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the
>> world.”
>> ANNOUNCING: 6x7 GLOBAL MARITIME
>> 
>> FCC License KJ6FJJ
>> 
>> 
>> [cid][cid]
>> 
>> 
>>On May 29, 2021, at 1:57 AM, Laura Smith via NANOG  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>I agree with Dan.
>> 
>>In Switzerland you can get 10Gb symmetric to the home for 49.95 per 
>> month
>>(or 39.95 if you have a mobile with the same ISP) .
>> 
>>As with Dan, average utilisation is measured in Mb. 
>>But then the ability to go from that to download 10GB of the latest 
>> patches
>>from Microsoft or Apple, or the ability to upload large files for 
>> off-site
>>backups or for friends/customers  I don't know what I'd do 
>> without it !
>>   
>>And of course, the days of the buffering wheel of death when 
>> streaming 4K
>>TV is long gone ...  I can have multiple people in multiple rooms in 
>> my
>>house streaming 4K and nobody notices.
>> 
>>I would never, ever, go back to DSL.  Even if they hiked the price 
>> 5x, I'd
>>still pay it.
>> 
>>Coming back to the original question on this thread, my answer would 
>> be the
>>minimum for 2021 should be 1/1.  Anything less than that is a bit 
>> silly and
>>will soon be obsolete.
>> 
>>‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>>On Saturday, 29 May 2021 04:50, Dan Stralka  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>But it is reality, it's just not your reality, Mike. 
>> Brandon's ISP
>>can provide that service.
>> 
>>So should there be a more granular definition of speeds 
>> mandated based
>>on population density, last mile tech, etc?
>> 
>>I was in the camp that you didn't need higher bandwidth than 
>> you'd
>>normally find - I was happy on my 50/10 plan. Then my ISP 
>> upgraded me
>>to a 300/50 or thereabouts and it was a night and day 
>> difference in
>>getting things done. 
>>Just like your example of average utilization being in the 
>> single
>>megabits per second, my average utilization is near zero. But 
>> when I
>>need to move files I can burst to speeds that aren't 
>> embarrassing in
>>2021.
>> 

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe]

I’m right there with you.  I can download an entire Mac OS update in 6 minutes. 
 It’s astonishing.  I’d pay a grand a month for this.  I’d pay five.

-LB

Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
CEO 
b...@6by7.net
"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
world.”
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> On May 29, 2021, at 1:57 AM, Laura Smith via NANOG  wrote:
> 
> I agree with Dan.
> 
> In Switzerland you can get 10Gb symmetric to the home for 49.95 per month (or 
> 39.95 if you have a mobile with the same ISP) .
> 
> As with Dan, average utilisation is measured in Mb. 
> 
> But then the ability to go from that to download 10GB of the latest patches 
> from Microsoft or Apple, or the ability to upload large files for off-site 
> backups or for friends/customers  I don't know what I'd do without it !   
> 
> And of course, the days of the buffering wheel of death when streaming 4K TV 
> is long gone ...  I can have multiple people in multiple rooms in my house 
> streaming 4K and nobody notices.
> 
> I would never, ever, go back to DSL.  Even if they hiked the price 5x, I'd 
> still pay it.
> 
> Coming back to the original question on this thread, my answer would be the 
> minimum for 2021 should be 1/1.  Anything less than that is a bit silly and 
> will soon be obsolete.
> 
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Saturday, 29 May 2021 04:50, Dan Stralka  wrote:
> 
>> But it is reality, it's just not your reality, Mike.   Brandon's ISP can 
>> provide that service.
>> 
>> So should there be a more granular definition of speeds mandated based on 
>> population density, last mile tech, etc?
>> 
>> I was in the camp that you didn't need higher bandwidth than you'd normally 
>> find - I was happy on my 50/10 plan. Then my ISP upgraded me to a 300/50 or 
>> thereabouts and it was a night and day difference in getting things done. 
>> 
>> Just like your example of average utilization being in the single megabits 
>> per second, my average utilization is near zero. But when I need to move 
>> files I can burst to speeds that aren't embarrassing in 2021.
>> 
>> Higher bandwidth is both welcome and necessary. It doesn't have to be 
>> sustained throughout the contract to be required. The only question is how 
>> feasible it is, and I suspect it's quite feasible for larger players. 
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> (end)
>> 
>> On Fri, May 28, 2021, 22:33 Mike Hammett  wrote:
>> 
>>> That's not based in any kind of reality.
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>> 
>>> Midwest-IX
>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>> 
>>> From: "Brandon Price" 
>>> To: "Sean Donelan" , "NANOG Operators' Group" 
>>> 
>>> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 5:21:53 PM
>>> Subject: RE: New minimum speed for US broadband connections
>>> 
>>> 100/100 minimum for sure.
>>> 
>>> In our small neck of the woods, we are currently doing 250/250 for $45 and 
>>> 1000/1000 for $60 no data caps.
>>> 
>>> We have lost some grants on rural builds because "someone" in the census 
>>> block claims they provide broadband.. Not hard to put an AP up on a tower 
>>> and hit the current definition's upload speed.
>>> 
>>> I get a chuckle when the providers tell the customer what they "need"...  
>>> 
>>> Brandon Price
>>> Senior Network Engineer
>>> City of Sherwood, Sherwood Broadband
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: NANOG  On Behalf 
>>> Of Sean Donelan
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 5:33 PM
>>> To: NANOG Operators' Group 
>>> Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections
>>> 
>>> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not 
>>> click links or open attachments unless you are expecting this email and/or 
>>> know the content is safe.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 27 May 2021, Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE wrote:
>>>> At least 100/100.
>>>> 
>>>> We don’t like selling slower than 10g anymore, that’s what I’d start 
>>>> everyone at if I could.
>>> 
>>> At $50/month or less?
>>> 
>>> Maximize number of households of all demographic groups.

Where do you hire telecom relationship mgrs?

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

At the risk of running afoul (moderators pls delete if inappropriate) - I’d 
like to ask the group as a whole where you go these days to find experienced 
enterprise telecom relationship managers/salespeople?   I’m talking about the 
1-2% of the pool that bring their own book, have existing relationships, and 
perform to high 6 to 7 figures.

Where do find, or have you found, the people you’d never let go?

This can be a resource for all of us, though I should disclose that I do own a 
telecom company (see sig).  However, after asking several other telecoms where 
they hire people, and getting “we don’t know” - I thought I’d put it to the 
entire list.

—L.B.

Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
CEO 
l...@6by7.net 
"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
world.”
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Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

Good point, but developments in QAM technology benefit both fiber and radio 
nowadays.  Starlink will eventually be capable of 10gbit links through... 
essentially just carrier aggregation to a massive LEO cluster. 

That’s global 10gbit...  I’m cautiously optimistic that we will see an 
incredibly bandwidth rich future, and I’m absolutely confident that humanity 
deserves one.

Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
CEO 
l...@6by7.net
"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
world.”

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> On May 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Mike Lyon  wrote:
> 
> We are all happy for you that your technology allows for that, really, we 
> are.
> 
> For those that cannot get fiber, we’re still dependant  on the physics of 
> radio waves for last mile. And, hell, even for the middle miles!
> 
> -Mike
> 
>> On May 29, 2021, at 07:47, Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So I’ll do this, on purpose.  Here’s the result:
>> 
>> We decided, oh, 28 years ago, not to offer an insulting service tier at all; 
>> all our services, even the most “entry level” are designed to make you feel 
>> not just special, but like you’re one of perhaps 6 billionaire customers we 
>> have and depend entirely upon.  The entire framework of my company is built 
>> this way, from encrypted 10g enterprise and now residential connections, to 
>> access to c-levels for every customer.  Scaling that will be a challenge, 
>> but it’s something I look forward to bringing to 8 billion people.
>> 
>> Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
>> 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
>> CEO 
>> l...@6by7.net
>> "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in 
>> the world.”
>> 
>> FCC License KJ6FJJ
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone via RFC1149.
>> 
>>>> On May 28, 2021, at 7:00 PM, Sean Donelan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would love to see an experiment where the CEOs of the major communication 
>>> companies were forced to use only their "lifeline" products for 30 days, 
>>> including only their "lifeline" customer service lines.

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

So I’ll do this, on purpose.  Here’s the result:

We decided, oh, 28 years ago, not to offer an insulting service tier at all; 
all our services, even the most “entry level” are designed to make you feel not 
just special, but like you’re one of perhaps 6 billionaire customers we have 
and depend entirely upon.  The entire framework of my company is built this 
way, from encrypted 10g enterprise and now residential connections, to access 
to c-levels for every customer.  Scaling that will be a challenge, but it’s 
something I look forward to bringing to 8 billion people.

Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
CEO 
l...@6by7.net
"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
world.”

FCC License KJ6FJJ

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> On May 28, 2021, at 7:00 PM, Sean Donelan  wrote:
> 
> I would love to see an experiment where the CEOs of the major communication 
> companies were forced to use only their "lifeline" products for 30 days, 
> including only their "lifeline" customer service lines.

Re: MPLS/MEF Switches and NIDs

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

Ciena was chosen by AT&T to deliver much of their enterprise fiber in MTOBs and 
such.  Unsure if they run MPLS but it looks like it from the physical topology.

Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
CEO 
l...@6by7.net
"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
world.”

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> On May 28, 2021, at 3:46 PM, Colton Conor  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes, I was surprised as you that they have these routing features. I was also 
> surprised they had multiple boxes that compete with aggregation devices like 
> the ACX5048. The question is how good is Ciena's MPLS, switching, and routing 
> stack compared to the established players of Juniper, Cisco, and Nokia? Ciena 
> is no small company, so I think they would have the resources to make it 
> happen.
> 
> 
>> On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 12:32 PM  wrote:
>> Wow, ciena has the means to implement SR and MPLS services?  I mean they run 
>> the underlying LS IGP to signal those SID’s ??  I didn’t know that.  I may 
>> look at them in the future then.  I thought Ciena just did some sort of 
>> static mpls-tp or something…
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> We use Accedian as NID’s with SkyLight director for PAA (SLA stuff)…and 
>> uplink those into our network at (yester-year, Cisco ME3600’s and 
>> ASR9000’s), but now, ACX5048 and MX204
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> -Aaron
>> 
>>  

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

We’re about to become a multi-planet species. Upload will matter.

Remember this message lol.

Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
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CEO 
l...@6by7.net
"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
world.”

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> On May 28, 2021, at 4:08 PM, Brandon Price  wrote:
> 
> 
> It’s not about being lucky,  it’s that the grant dollars are being siphoned 
> up by folks providing a mediocre product. There are fiber providers that can 
> make a rural build pencil if they were eligible. The point of the definition 
> is to encourage building a better product.
>  
> To your previous question about usage,  I took a quick look at one of my 
> smaller GPON shelves and most times the download to upload ratio is roughly 4 
> to 1 across all the subs on that shelf. That’s a healthy upload by itself, 
> but there was a 5 minute datapoint just now where the upload spiked to about 
> triple the download rate. Someone did a huge upload, and got it over and done 
> with quick. Yes people can live with less bandwidth, but why would you want 
> to?
>  
> The feedback I hear from more and more customers with regards to upload is 
> teleconferencing for work/school and IOT type devices uploading to the cloud….
>  
>  
> Brandon
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: Mike Lyon  
> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 3:42 PM
> To: Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE 
> Cc: Brandon Price ; NANOG Operators' Group 
> 
> Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections
>  
> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click 
> links or open attachments unless you are expecting this email and/or know the 
> content is safe.
>  
> Fiber is cool and all, but there is a HUGE amount of areas that aren't 
> lucky enough to have fiber and wireless is the only way to go.
>  
> So, we up the minimum to 100 Mbps just because some areas are lucky enough to 
> have fiber?
>  
> -Mike
>  
>  
>  
>  
> On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 3:38 PM Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone via RFC1149.
> 
> > On May 28, 2021, at 3:29 PM, Mike Lyon  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Curious, when you look at the usage on those 100/100 plans. What are they 
> > actually using? If they aren't actually using it, then why up the minimum?
> 
> Simple, our time isn’t free.  The less time humanity itself spends waiting on 
> downloads, the more we spend loving, celebrating, embracing, playing and 
> exploring.
> 
> Really, fiber is fiber, it’s just about optics from there, and those are 
> cheap.
> 
> Relatively speaking.
> 
> (And ignoring WISPSs and rural economies of scale but I digress.)
> 
> 8 billion fiber drops for 8 billion people.
> 
> That’s what it will take to wire the future.  32k res AR environments; 1TB 
> video games, distance learning via implant, full self driving cars - Qualcomm 
> itself says bandwidth is to grow 1000-fold in the next 9 years alone.
> 
> Are you ready?
> 
> 
> 
> Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
> 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
> CEO 
> l...@6by7.net
> "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
> world.”
> 
> FCC License KJ6FJJ
> 
>  
> --
> Mike Lyon
> mike.l...@gmail.com
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon
>  
>  
>  

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

Sent from my iPhone via RFC1149.

> On May 28, 2021, at 3:29 PM, Mike Lyon  wrote:
> 
> 
> Curious, when you look at the usage on those 100/100 plans. What are they 
> actually using? If they aren't actually using it, then why up the minimum?

Simple, our time isn’t free.  The less time humanity itself spends waiting on 
downloads, the more we spend loving, celebrating, embracing, playing and 
exploring.

Really, fiber is fiber, it’s just about optics from there, and those are cheap.

Relatively speaking.

(And ignoring WISPSs and rural economies of scale but I digress.)

8 billion fiber drops for 8 billion people.

That’s what it will take to wire the future.  32k res AR environments; 1TB 
video games, distance learning via implant, full self driving cars - Qualcomm 
itself says bandwidth is to grow 1000-fold in the next 9 years alone.

Are you ready?



Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
CEO 
l...@6by7.net
"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
world.”

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Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

100k buildings in the US alone, but no.  

Check back in q4 tho.

Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
CEO 
l...@6by7.net
"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
world.”

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> On May 28, 2021, at 6:55 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> 
> Clearly not a residential mass-market service.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
> 
> From: "Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE" 
> To: "Sean Donelan" 
> Cc: "NANOG Operators' Group" 
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 7:30:48 PM
> Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections
> 
> At least 100/100.
> 
> We don’t like selling slower than 10g anymore, that’s what I’d start everyone 
> at if I could.
> 
> —L.B.
> 
> Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
> 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
> CEO 
> l...@6by7.net
> "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
> world.”
> FCC License KJ6FJJ
> 
> 
> 
> On May 27, 2021, at 5:29 PM, Sean Donelan  wrote:
> 
> 
> What should be the new minimum speed for "broadband" in the U.S.?
> 
> 
> This is the list of past minimum broadband speed definitions by year
> 
> year  speed
> 
> 1999  200 kbps in both directions (this was chosen as faster than dialup/ISDN 
> speeds)
> 
> 2000  200 kbps in at least one direction (changed because too many service 
> providers had 128 kbps upload)
> 
> 2010   4 mbps down / 1 mbps up
> 
> 2015   25 Mbps down / 3 Mbps up (wired)
>5 Mbps down / 1 Mbps up (wireless)
> 
> 2021   ??? / ??? (some Senators propose 100/100 mbps)
> 
> Not only in major cities, but also rural areas
> 
> Note, the official broadband definition only means service providers can't 
> advertise it as "broadband" or qualify for subsidies; not that they must 
> deliver better service.
> 
> 
> 

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

At least 100/100.

We don’t like selling slower than 10g anymore, that’s what I’d start everyone 
at if I could.

—L.B.

Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
CEO 
l...@6by7.net 
"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
world.”
FCC License KJ6FJJ



> On May 27, 2021, at 5:29 PM, Sean Donelan  wrote:
> 
> 
> What should be the new minimum speed for "broadband" in the U.S.?
> 
> 
> This is the list of past minimum broadband speed definitions by year
> 
> year  speed
> 
> 1999  200 kbps in both directions (this was chosen as faster than dialup/ISDN 
> speeds)
> 
> 2000  200 kbps in at least one direction (changed because too many service 
> providers had 128 kbps upload)
> 
> 2010   4 mbps down / 1 mbps up
> 
> 2015   25 Mbps down / 3 Mbps up (wired)
>5 Mbps down / 1 Mbps up (wireless)
> 
> 2021   ??? / ??? (some Senators propose 100/100 mbps)
> 
> Not only in major cities, but also rural areas
> 
> Note, the official broadband definition only means service providers can't 
> advertise it as "broadband" or qualify for subsidies; not that they must 
> deliver better service.
> 

Re: DDoS attack with blackmail

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

20 years ago I wrote an automatic teardrop attack.  If your IP spammed us 5 
times, then a script would run, knocking the remote host off the internet 
entirely.

Later I modified it to launch 1000 teardrop attacks/second…

Today,  contact the FBI.

And get a mitigation service above your borders if you can.


—L.B.

Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
CEO 
l...@6by7.net 
"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
world.”
FCC License KJ6FJJ



> On May 20, 2021, at 12:26 PM, Baldur Norddahl  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello
> 
> We got attacked by a group that calls themselves "Fancy Lazarus". They want 
> payment in BC to not attack us again. The attack was a volume attack to our 
> DNS and URL fetch from our webserver.
> 
> I am interested in any experience in fighting back against these guys.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Baldur
> 

Re: link monitoring

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

We monitor light levels and FEC values on all links and have thresholds for 
early-warning and PRe-failure analysis. 

Short answer is yes we see links lose packets before completely failing and for 
dozens of reasons that’s still a good thing, but you need to monitor every part 
of a resilient network. 

Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
CEO 
l...@6by7.net
"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
world.”

FCC License KJ6FJJ

Sent from my iPhone via RFC1149.

> On Apr 29, 2021, at 2:32 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
> 
> 
> The Junipers on both sides should have discrete SNMP OIDs that respond with a 
> FEC stress value, or FEC error value. See blue highlighted part here about 
> FEC. Depending on what version of JunOS you're running the MIB for it may or 
> may not exist.
> 
> https://kb.juniper.net/InfoCenter/index?page=content&id=KB36074&cat=MX2008&actp=LIST
> 
> In other equipment sometimes it's found in a sub-tree of SNMP adjacent to 
> optical DOM values. Once you can acquire and poll that value, set it up as a 
> custom thing to graph and alert upon certain threshold values in your choice 
> of NMS. 
> 
> Additionally signs of a failing optic may show up in some of the optical DOM 
> MIB items you can poll: https://mibs.observium.org/mib/JUNIPER-DOM-MIB/
> 
> It helps if you have some non-misbehaving similar linecards and optics which 
> can be polled during custom graph/OID configuration, to establish a baseline 
> 'no problem' value, which if exceeded will trigger whatever threshold value 
> you set in your monitoring system.
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 1:40 PM Baldur Norddahl  
>> wrote:
>> Hello
>> 
>> We had a 100G link that started to misbehave and caused the customers to 
>> notice bad packet loss. The optical values are just fine but we had packet 
>> loss and latency. Interface shows FEC errors on one end and carrier 
>> transitions on the other end. But otherwise the link would stay up and our 
>> monitor system completely failed to warn about the failure. Had to find the 
>> bad link by traceroute (mtr) and observe where packet loss started.
>> 
>> The link was between a Juniper MX204 and Juniper ACX5448. Link length 2 
>> meters using 2 km single mode SFP modules.
>> 
>> What is the best practice to monitor links to avoid this scenarium? What 
>> options do we have to do link monitoring? I am investigating BFD but I am 
>> unsure if that would have helped the situation.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Baldur
>> 
>> 

Re: OOB management options @ 60 Hudson & 1 Summer

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE]

We don’t advertise it, but we’ll do the same where we can, which is most POPs.  
 The 2mbit waived commit is smart, clean. I like it!

Maybe a list for mutual OOB trades?  

—L.B.

Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
CEO 
l...@6by7.net 
"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
world.”
FCC License KJ6FJJ



> On Apr 16, 2021, at 12:47 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore  wrote:
> 
> On Apr 16, 2021, at 1:49 PM, Warren Kumari  > wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 1:08 PM Bryan Fields  wrote:
>>> On 4/16/21 1:33 AM, Saku Ytti wrote:
>>> https://www.markleygroup.com/cloud/network/out-of-band
>> 
>> Wow, this is an impressive offering.  I wish more providers would do this.
>> 
>> +manylots. It's always surprising to me how often companies (in all 
>> industries) can be broken up into those that understand the value of 
>> goodwill and those that instead nickel-and-dime.
>> My local Potbelly (sandwich ship) every now and then will just say "No 
>> charge, this one's on us". This only happens around once every 30-40 times I 
>> go in, but they loyalty that it has created means that I go there **way** 
>> more often than I otherwise would. It also means that in the few times that 
>> something goes wrong/I have a bad experience, I don't really care.
>> 
>> The additional profit that they've made from having me as a loyal customer 
>> more than covers the cost of 1 free sammich every N. 
>> 
>> In many ways Markley seems similar - they feel like they understand that 
>> some things (like OOB) are annoying to deal with, and that the loyalty / 
>> goodwill provided by being "nice" more than repays the cost of the service.
> 
> As the person who created that product for Markley, I can tell you that is 
> precisely what we were thinking.
> 
> It cost us nearly nothing, made customers stickier, generated good will, and 
> created a chance to talk to them about cloud offerings or similar. The only 
> “catch” is you need a fiber xconn. The thinking was it was barely more than a 
> copper xconn for POTS yet you get gigabit instead of dialup, or you would 
> have used fiber to another ISP anyway.
> 
> Every serious colo has enough bandwidth that 2 Mbps won’t be noticed, 
> competent network engineers (one hopes), and free switch ports (or can get 
> them cheap). Why don’t they do this? Perhaps someone in finance feels it can 
> be “monetized”. I feel the monetization lowers adoption and kills the other 
> benefits Warren mentions above - which are worth a hell of a lot more than 
> the paltry sum they would get from billing a few customers.
> 
> -- 
> TTFN,
> patrick
> 
> PS: The guest SSID at Markley has no captive portal. It was a problem for 
> customers who wanted to have their equipment get on the wifi to download 
> images, etc, so we took it off.