Re: [nant-dev] Drop support for .NET-1.x?

2010-02-28 Thread Charles Chan
Hello Matt,

I agree, trying to bite off too much is difficult in an OSS project -- we just 
don't have the capacity to stay focus on it (full time).

As a result, I am using a agile approach to keep the cycle short and to 
generate faster turnarounds into the hands of the users. Perhaps in the future, 
when there are more active members, we can look into developing more formal 
planning process and organization. (I am not a PM by profession, so I am sure 
there are more experienced people who can do a better job than me.)

Regards,
Charles

--- On Sun, 2/28/10, Matt Chatterley  wrote:

> From: Matt Chatterley 
> Subject: Re: [nant-dev] Drop support for .NET-1.x?
> To: "Charles Chan" 
> Cc: nant-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> Received: Sunday, February 28, 2010, 12:12 PM
> Hi Charles,
> 
> I'm with you now - yes I misunderstood slightly!
> 
> Having looked at the roadmap I think the timescale is good,
> too, as long as we (collectively) don't bite off too
> much work to be done (which it doesn't seem we are). :)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sitting here waiting for more news (and trying to juggle
> things to make a bit of spare time).
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> 
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> On 27 February 2010 04:47, Charles
> Chan 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello Matt,
> 
> 
> 
> Great stuff! I think a lot of people would love to see
> VS2005 and VS2008 support in NAnt as well! (Based on what I
> have seen in the bug & feature request section.)
> Let's get 0.8x and 1.0 out the door so we can work on
> exciting features for 2.0.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> For everyone's information:
> 
> Gert Dreisen is one of the NAnt project admins and he has
> kindly configured MediaWiki on SF. I will use it put up a
> rough roadmap (what I have said in the email) for everyone
> to review / edit / comment. Then once the list is semi-final
> for the near term, and the tasks are assigned, the work can
> begin. Later on, we can also use the Wiki to document other
> information related to the project, roles, process, howtos,
> etc. I enjoy using Wiki because it's fast and it's
> collaborative.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> That's all for now, more to come.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Charles
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> 
> > From: Martin Aliger 
> 
> > To: Charles Chan ;
> nant-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> 
> > Sent: Fri, February 26, 2010 3:30:09 AM
> 
> > Subject: RE: [nant-dev] Drop support for .NET-1.x?
> 
> >
> 
> > I'd love to see 1.0 out soon. Not sure, what
> 'soon' can be though :)
> 
> >
> 
> > VS solutions 2005 and 2008 should be supported (via
> MSBuild). I wrote that,
> 
> > and using it daily :) VS2010 is comming soon as well
> (c++ project revamped
> 
> > to msbuild)
> 
> >
> 
> > M.
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Re: [nant-dev] Drop support for .NET-1.x?

2010-02-26 Thread Charles Chan
Hello Ryan,


> From: Ryan Boggs 
> To: Charles Chan 
> Cc: nant-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> Sent: Fri, February 26, 2010 10:18:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [nant-dev] Drop support for .NET-1.x?
> 
> ...
> Just out of curiosity, would fixing the remaining bugs listed in SF be
> required for the 1.0 release?
> 

No, of course not. Fixing everything would take too long and prevent more 
critical features from being developed. This is why I want to start a roadmap 
and have the community contribute to what they think is most important a stable 
successful 1.0 release. The faster we can wrap up 1.0, the sooner we can work 
on the next major 2.0.

For example, speaking for myself, I am generally happy with things the way they 
are, but want to fix a few minor bugs with the XML tasks. On the other hands, 
others might have different needs. 

I hope this helps.

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Re: [nant-dev] Drop support for .NET-1.x?

2010-02-26 Thread Ryan Boggs
Hi,

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Charles Chan
 wrote:
> Hello Matt,
>
> Great stuff! I think a lot of people would love to see VS2005 and VS2008 
> support in NAnt as well! (Based on what I have seen in the bug & feature 
> request section.) Let's get 0.8x and 1.0 out the door so we can work on 
> exciting features for 2.0.
>
> For everyone's information:
> Gert Dreisen is one of the NAnt project admins and he has kindly configured 
> MediaWiki on SF. I will use it put up a rough roadmap (what I have said in 
> the email) for everyone to review / edit / comment. Then once the list is 
> semi-final for the near term, and the tasks are assigned, the work can begin. 
> Later on, we can also use the Wiki to document other information related to 
> the project, roles, process, howtos, etc. I enjoy using Wiki because it's 
> fast and it's collaborative.
>

Pretty cool.  Can't wait for the roadmap.

Just out of curiosity, would fixing the remaining bugs listed in SF be
required for the 1.0 release?

> That's all for now, more to come.
>
> Regards,
> Charles
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
>> From: Martin Aliger 
>> To: Charles Chan ; 
>> nant-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
>> Sent: Fri, February 26, 2010 3:30:09 AM
>> Subject: RE: [nant-dev] Drop support for .NET-1.x?
>>
>> I'd love to see 1.0 out soon. Not sure, what 'soon' can be though :)
>>
>> VS solutions 2005 and 2008 should be supported (via MSBuild). I wrote that,
>> and using it daily :) VS2010 is comming soon as well (c++ project revamped
>> to msbuild)
>>
>> M.
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Re: [nant-dev] Drop support for .NET-1.x?

2010-02-26 Thread Charles Chan
Hello Matt,

Great stuff! I think a lot of people would love to see VS2005 and VS2008 
support in NAnt as well! (Based on what I have seen in the bug & feature 
request section.) Let's get 0.8x and 1.0 out the door so we can work on 
exciting features for 2.0.

For everyone's information:
Gert Dreisen is one of the NAnt project admins and he has kindly configured 
MediaWiki on SF. I will use it put up a rough roadmap (what I have said in the 
email) for everyone to review / edit / comment. Then once the list is 
semi-final for the near term, and the tasks are assigned, the work can begin. 
Later on, we can also use the Wiki to document other information related to the 
project, roles, process, howtos, etc. I enjoy using Wiki because it's fast and 
it's collaborative. 

That's all for now, more to come.

Regards,
Charles



- Original Message 
> From: Martin Aliger 
> To: Charles Chan ; 
> nant-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> Sent: Fri, February 26, 2010 3:30:09 AM
> Subject: RE: [nant-dev] Drop support for .NET-1.x?
> 
> I'd love to see 1.0 out soon. Not sure, what 'soon' can be though :)
> 
> VS solutions 2005 and 2008 should be supported (via MSBuild). I wrote that,
> and using it daily :) VS2010 is comming soon as well (c++ project revamped
> to msbuild)
> 
> M.


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Re: [nant-dev] Drop support for .NET-1.x?

2010-02-26 Thread Martin Aliger
I'd love to see 1.0 out soon. Not sure, what 'soon' can be though :)

VS solutions 2005 and 2008 should be supported (via MSBuild). I wrote that,
and using it daily :) VS2010 is comming soon as well (c++ project revamped
to msbuild)

M.


Roadmap
===
0.87 - bug fix only to stabilize the existing features; eg. Mono/.NET
compatibilities issues.

1.00 - "golden" release, perhaps last version to support .NET 1.0
2.00 - add support for .NET 2.0, 3.5; VS solution 2005, 2008; update NUnit,
etc.

Thoughts? 
(Once we all reach a consensus, we can work on further breakdowns, divide up
the work, scan the bug lists, etc).



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Re: [nant-dev] Drop support for .NET-1.x?

2010-02-26 Thread Martin Aliger
Same with me. Target 1.0/1.1 is important!

M.


-Original Message-
From: Gert Driesen [mailto:gert.drie...@telenet.be] 
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 7:36 AM
To: 'Charles Chan'; nant-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [nant-dev] Drop support for .NET-1.x?

Hey Charles,

I have no problem with dropping .NET 1.x as supported runtime, but I
definitely want to retain .NET 1.x as target framework.
There's no reason why we should drop support for that.

Regards,
Gert

-Original Message-
From: Charles Chan [mailto:cchan...@users.sourceforge.net] 
Sent: vrijdag 26 februari 2010 4:39
To: nant-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [nant-dev] Drop support for .NET-1.x?

Thanks for all of your replies! Sorry, I am a little busy today, so please
excuse me for the quick answers.

Gert:
Based on my understanding: (please correct if I am wrong)
Requires .NET-1.0 SDK / VS2002 to target .NET-1.0 -- The SDK is no longer
available from MS, making it difficult to develop or provide further support
for NAnt?
Requires .NET-1.1 SDK / VS2003 to target .NET-1.1
Requires .NET 2.0 SDK / VS2005 to target .NET 2.0

So I am hoping to drop support for .NET 1.x (at least .NET 1.0) runtime AND
target ASAP.


Ryan, Matt:
Your comments makes sense. FYI, I am planning to first release a new version
0.87-beta, rc, etc. (it's been too long since 0.86 and many changes since,
so I want to use a new number to signify the differences) This is mainly a
bugfix release. No new feature, but mainly to work towards a "golden" 1.0
version of NAnt to complete the 0.8x roadmap. 

Roadmap
===
0.87 - bug fix only to stabilize the existing features; eg. Mono/.NET
compatibilities issues.

1.00 - "golden" release, perhaps last version to support .NET 1.0
2.00 - add support for .NET 2.0, 3.5; VS solution 2005, 2008; update NUnit,
etc.

Thoughts? 
(Once we all reach a consensus, we can work on further breakdowns, divide up
the work, scan the bug lists, etc).


All:
Thanks very much for you interest, unfortunately, I only have developer
privilege so perhaps one of the project admins can help setup the
permissions. (Gert? Gerry? Can you help?) 

I am interested in learning more about your backgrounds and why you are
interested in helping NAnt. I assume most of you are using NAnt in the
workplace? How much time can you spend on this project? Is there any aspect
you are particularly interested in working in? 

If you know anyone who might be interested in contributing, please help
spread the word! 

Cheers,
Charles


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Re: [nant-dev] Drop support for .NET-1.x?

2010-02-25 Thread Gert Driesen
Hey Charles,

I have no problem with dropping .NET 1.x as supported runtime, but I
definitely want to retain .NET 1.x as target framework.
There's no reason why we should drop support for that.

Regards,
Gert

-Original Message-
From: Charles Chan [mailto:cchan...@users.sourceforge.net] 
Sent: vrijdag 26 februari 2010 4:39
To: nant-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [nant-dev] Drop support for .NET-1.x?

Thanks for all of your replies! Sorry, I am a little busy today, so please
excuse me for the quick answers.

Gert:
Based on my understanding: (please correct if I am wrong)
Requires .NET-1.0 SDK / VS2002 to target .NET-1.0 -- The SDK is no longer
available from MS, making it difficult to develop or provide further support
for NAnt?
Requires .NET-1.1 SDK / VS2003 to target .NET-1.1
Requires .NET 2.0 SDK / VS2005 to target .NET 2.0

So I am hoping to drop support for .NET 1.x (at least .NET 1.0) runtime AND
target ASAP.


Ryan, Matt:
Your comments makes sense. FYI, I am planning to first release a new version
0.87-beta, rc, etc. (it's been too long since 0.86 and many changes since,
so I want to use a new number to signify the differences) This is mainly a
bugfix release. No new feature, but mainly to work towards a "golden" 1.0
version of NAnt to complete the 0.8x roadmap. 

Roadmap
===
0.87 - bug fix only to stabilize the existing features; eg. Mono/.NET
compatibilities issues.

1.00 - "golden" release, perhaps last version to support .NET 1.0
2.00 - add support for .NET 2.0, 3.5; VS solution 2005, 2008; update NUnit,
etc.

Thoughts? 
(Once we all reach a consensus, we can work on further breakdowns, divide up
the work, scan the bug lists, etc).


All:
Thanks very much for you interest, unfortunately, I only have developer
privilege so perhaps one of the project admins can help setup the
permissions. (Gert? Gerry? Can you help?) 

I am interested in learning more about your backgrounds and why you are
interested in helping NAnt. I assume most of you are using NAnt in the
workplace? How much time can you spend on this project? Is there any aspect
you are particularly interested in working in? 

If you know anyone who might be interested in contributing, please help
spread the word! 

Cheers,
Charles


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Re: [nant-dev] Drop support for .NET-1.x?

2010-02-25 Thread Charles Chan
Ryan,



> >
> > Roadmap
> > ===
> > 0.87 - bug fix only to stabilize the existing features; eg. Mono/.NET 
> compatibilities issues.
> > 
> > 1.00 - "golden" release, perhaps last version to support .NET 1.0
> > 2.00 - add support for .NET 2.0, 3.5; VS solution 2005, 2008; update NUnit, 
> etc.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> > (Once we all reach a consensus, we can work on further breakdowns, divide 
> > up 
> the work, scan the bug lists, etc).
> >
> 
> I think I am confused about your roadmap.  Specifically the line "2.00
> - add support for .NET 2.0, 3.5; VS solution 2005, 2008; update NUnit,
> etc."  Doesn't NAnt, as it stands today, already support .NET 2.0,
> 3.5?  Or am I misunderstanding something?
>

Yes, you are right. I meant adding support for VS2005, 2008 and .NET 4.0 fixing 
any outstanding issues in .NET 2.0, 3.5. Too many ideas on 
my mind.

> Also,
> Are you planning on only bug fixes between 0.87 -> 1.0 or will new
> features be introduced during that period?  Don't get me wrong,
> planning this out is great.  I just want to make sure I am
> understanding this path.
> 

No more additions between 0.87 -> 1.0. I just wanted to get a 1.0 release out 
so people can use a formal release. (ie. Some companies won't use a version 
less than "1.x")

> > I am interested in learning more about your backgrounds and why you are 
> interested in helping NAnt. I assume most of you are using NAnt in the 
> workplace? How much time can you spend on this project? Is there any aspect 
> you 
> are particularly interested in working in?
> >
> I can answer this in another email if needs be.
> 

It's non-compulsory. Just send me a private email if you feel like it, your 
choice. :)

Regards,
Charles



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Re: [nant-dev] Drop support for .NET-1.x?

2010-02-25 Thread Ryan Boggs
Hi,

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Charles Chan
 wrote:
> Thanks for all of your replies! Sorry, I am a little busy today, so please 
> excuse me for the quick answers.
>
> Gert:
> Based on my understanding: (please correct if I am wrong)
> Requires .NET-1.0 SDK / VS2002 to target .NET-1.0 -- The SDK is no longer 
> available from MS, making it difficult to develop or provide further support 
> for NAnt?
> Requires .NET-1.1 SDK / VS2003 to target .NET-1.1
> Requires .NET 2.0 SDK / VS2005 to target .NET 2.0
>
> So I am hoping to drop support for .NET 1.x (at least .NET 1.0) runtime AND 
> target ASAP.
>
>
> Ryan, Matt:
> Your comments makes sense. FYI, I am planning to first release a new version 
> 0.87-beta, rc, etc. (it's been too long since 0.86 and many changes since, so 
> I want to use a new number to signify the differences) This is mainly a 
> bugfix release. No new feature, but mainly to work towards a "golden" 1.0 
> version of NAnt to complete the 0.8x roadmap.
>
> Roadmap
> ===
> 0.87 - bug fix only to stabilize the existing features; eg. Mono/.NET 
> compatibilities issues.
> 
> 1.00 - "golden" release, perhaps last version to support .NET 1.0
> 2.00 - add support for .NET 2.0, 3.5; VS solution 2005, 2008; update NUnit, 
> etc.
>
> Thoughts?
> (Once we all reach a consensus, we can work on further breakdowns, divide up 
> the work, scan the bug lists, etc).
>

I think I am confused about your roadmap.  Specifically the line "2.00
- add support for .NET 2.0, 3.5; VS solution 2005, 2008; update NUnit,
etc."  Doesn't NAnt, as it stands today, already support .NET 2.0,
3.5?  Or am I misunderstanding something?

Also,
Are you planning on only bug fixes between 0.87 -> 1.0 or will new
features be introduced during that period?  Don't get me wrong,
planning this out is great.  I just want to make sure I am
understanding this path.

>
> All:
> Thanks very much for you interest, unfortunately, I only have developer 
> privilege so perhaps one of the project admins can help setup the 
> permissions. (Gert? Gerry? Can you help?)
>
> I am interested in learning more about your backgrounds and why you are 
> interested in helping NAnt. I assume most of you are using NAnt in the 
> workplace? How much time can you spend on this project? Is there any aspect 
> you are particularly interested in working in?
>
I can answer this in another email if needs be.

> If you know anyone who might be interested in contributing, please help 
> spread the word!
>
> Cheers,
> Charles
>
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Re: [nant-dev] Drop support for .NET-1.x?

2010-02-25 Thread Charles Chan
Thanks for all of your replies! Sorry, I am a little busy today, so please 
excuse me for the quick answers.

Gert:
Based on my understanding: (please correct if I am wrong)
Requires .NET-1.0 SDK / VS2002 to target .NET-1.0 -- The SDK is no longer 
available from MS, making it difficult to develop or provide further support 
for NAnt?
Requires .NET-1.1 SDK / VS2003 to target .NET-1.1
Requires .NET 2.0 SDK / VS2005 to target .NET 2.0

So I am hoping to drop support for .NET 1.x (at least .NET 1.0) runtime AND 
target ASAP.


Ryan, Matt:
Your comments makes sense. FYI, I am planning to first release a new version 
0.87-beta, rc, etc. (it's been too long since 0.86 and many changes since, so I 
want to use a new number to signify the differences) This is mainly a bugfix 
release. No new feature, but mainly to work towards a "golden" 1.0 version of 
NAnt to complete the 0.8x roadmap. 

Roadmap
===
0.87 - bug fix only to stabilize the existing features; eg. Mono/.NET 
compatibilities issues.

1.00 - "golden" release, perhaps last version to support .NET 1.0
2.00 - add support for .NET 2.0, 3.5; VS solution 2005, 2008; update NUnit, etc.

Thoughts? 
(Once we all reach a consensus, we can work on further breakdowns, divide up 
the work, scan the bug lists, etc).


All:
Thanks very much for you interest, unfortunately, I only have developer 
privilege so perhaps one of the project admins can help setup the permissions. 
(Gert? Gerry? Can you help?) 

I am interested in learning more about your backgrounds and why you are 
interested in helping NAnt. I assume most of you are using NAnt in the 
workplace? How much time can you spend on this project? Is there any aspect you 
are particularly interested in working in? 

If you know anyone who might be interested in contributing, please help spread 
the word! 

Cheers,
Charles


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Re: [nant-dev] Drop support for .NET-1.x?

2010-02-25 Thread Gert Driesen
Hey Charles,

You should make it clear if you want to drop sypport for .NET 1.x as a 
runtime environment (CLR), or as a target framework.

Regards,

Gert

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Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 4:20 AM
To: 
Subject: [nant-dev] Drop support for .NET-1.x?

> Hello,
>
> Looking at the current state, I think it's too difficult to maintain 
> support for all of the .NET frameworks. Can we drop support for .NET 1.x 
> and beginning beginning .NET 2.0 as a minimum? If there are no objections, 
> I am going to change the default release from 
> "set-net-1.0-framework-configuration" to 
> "set-net-2.0-framework-configuration"
>
> Also, I want to enlist the help of more developers to get more work done, 
> faster.
> I think SF has a way of advertising for help, where is it?
>
> Regards,
> Charles
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Re: [nant-dev] Drop support for .NET-1.x?

2010-02-25 Thread Martin Aliger
And since our competetive product MSBuild do not work on 1.0/1.1 platform,
there could be some use of that.

For, me personally, same as Ryan apply.

Ing. Martin Aliger
martin_ali...@gordic.cz


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From: Ryan Boggs [mailto:rmboggs.obsd.po...@gmail.com] 

> Looking at the current state, I think it's too difficult to maintain
support for all of the .NET frameworks. Can we drop support for .NET 1.x and
beginning beginning .NET 2.0 as a minimum? If there are no objections, I am
going to change the default release from
"set-net-1.0-framework-configuration" to
"set-net-2.0-framework-configuration"
>

Speaking personally, I have no problem dropping .NET 1.X since all of
my work as of late has been based on .NET 2.0 and greater.  However, I


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Re: [nant-dev] Drop support for .NET-1.x?

2010-02-24 Thread Ryan Boggs
Hi Charles,

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Charles Chan
 wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Looking at the current state, I think it's too difficult to maintain support 
> for all of the .NET frameworks. Can we drop support for .NET 1.x and 
> beginning beginning .NET 2.0 as a minimum? If there are no objections, I am 
> going to change the default release from 
> "set-net-1.0-framework-configuration" to "set-net-2.0-framework-configuration"
>

Speaking personally, I have no problem dropping .NET 1.X since all of
my work as of late has been based on .NET 2.0 and greater.  However, I
obviously can't speak for everyone out there and I can only imagine
that there may be some projects out there that can't, or won't,
upgrade beyond version 1.1.  Do you think it would be
possible/feasable to release a final version of 0.86 with the recent
work you have been doing as the last version that supports .NET 1.X
and then drop .NET 1.X support going forward?  I would hate to leave
.NET 1.X support on a beta.  Thoughts?

> Also, I want to enlist the help of more developers to get more work done, 
> faster.
> I think SF has a way of advertising for help, where is it?
>

I would like to help but I wouldn't know where to start.  Is there a
roadmap or todo list out there somewhere?


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> Regards,
> Charles
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