subject:"\[NetBehaviour\] linux laptops"

Re: [NetBehaviour] linux laptops

2017-05-29 Thread helen varley jamieson

well, the price is more like what it really should cost to make a phone
- if the people making it are paid properly and not exploited.

so if you believe that people should be paid properly, & have good
working conditions, then you should be prepared to pay this and more for
phones & other technology.

you also get good service - humans respond promptly to enquiries, there
is a good online support forum, & you can send your phone back for safe
recycling when you've finished with it.

really, the price is very reasonable!

h : )


On 27.05.2017 13:50, aharon wrote:
> Thanks Helen, didn't know of lineageos.org. will try the os..
> Fairphone.. yes.. I wonder about the price.. out of my range, but is
> this difference in price the kind of number, in pounds, euros and
> other currencies - of a person's mobile-linked freedom?
> the price to pay for not working for google's fame and fortune?
>
> cheers!
>
> aharon
> xx
>
> May 24 2017 1:07 PM, "helen varley jamieson"
>  >
> wrote:
>
> i don't know about all mobile devices, but fairphone has a forum
> of alternative operating systems:
> https://forum.fairphone.com/c/software/alternative-oses
>
> (i don't have actual experience of any of them, i'm just using the
> standard fairphone kola nut OS)
>
> h : )
>
>  
> On 23.05.2017 23:22, x wrote:
>  
>>
>> oh.. operating systems..
>> just had over a month of being on road and having to keep
>> technologically cheap yet light..
>> hence still suffering android..
>>
>> am i missing something or there is a complete and utter absence
>> of quality free operating system for mobile devices?
>>
>> rant apart  if people need a light, Graphical and upto date os
>> for an old netbook laptop etc
>> maybe check puppylinux,?
>> you can get, in a sense, latest ubuntu or slackware running on an
>> old or new netbook
>> without habing to deal with the commandline bits..
>>
>> ciao from brasilia.
>> aharon
>> xxx
>>
>> --
>> Sent from myMail for Android
>>
>> Monday, 22 May 2017, 10:22pm -03:00 from Alan Sondheim
>> sondh...@panix.com :
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> It installed quickly for me. I think there's a way to get a
>> graphic os on
>> it but I haven't tried. Used to use Cygwin and still have it!
>>
>> - Alan
>>
>> On Tue, 23 May 2017, James Morris wrote:
>>  
>> > It's only really the command line tools (which is still a
>> lot!).
>> >
>> > I got quite excited about it at work where I'm using a few
>> BASH scripts with
>> > Cygwin on a regular basis. Unfortunately the Windows 10
>> Anniversary update
>> > which contains the Linux tools consistently fails to
>> install - and takes 3/4
>> > hour to not install :-(
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 22/05/17 23:40, Alan Sondheim wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Fwiw, one thing worth noting - for those who are using
>> limited memory (like
>> >> my netbook), Midori's an excellent browser -
>> >> Also wanted to mention that you can open up Ubuntu in
>> Win10 - I have it
>> >> working there as well. It comes with the OS,
>> >>
>> >> - Alan
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 22 May 2017, helen varley jamieson wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> thanks alan :)
>> >>>
>> >>> i have noticed how much less space the OS needs, & how
>> quickly everything
>> >>> runs!
>> >>>
>> >>> h : )
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 22.05.2017 18:59, Alan Sondheim wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I use linux on my older laptops; it's easy to install; in
>> fact
>> >>> I'm on a Dell netbook now with only 2 gig of ram and it runs
>> >>> fine. One good thing about the OS is that you can install a
>> >>> different one in maybe 15 minutes, so you can tailor the
>> linux
>> >>> distro to your needs. Fwiw, I use linux mint for the most
>> part,
>> >>> lots of terminal stuff.
>> >>>
>> >>> Good luck with this!
>> >>>
>> >>> - Alan
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, 22 May 2017, helen varley jamieson wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> hi everyone,
>> >>>
>> >>> more than a year ago i wrote to this list asking for
>> >>> advice about buying a
>> >>> linux laptop. it took me a while, but i'm now
>> >>> happily working with ubuntu
>> >>> mate on a no-brand machine :)
>> >>>
>> >>> i spent quite a lot of time looking at second-hand &
>> >>> B-ware (ex-display)
>> >>> machines,

Re: [NetBehaviour] linux laptops

2017-05-28 Thread Rob Myers

From a Free Software point of view, anything with radio communication
involved is hard because the chips that do the communication tend to use
proprietary firmware (they are blobs of code with no source available).

As a phone has at least one more channel of radio communication compared
to a laptop, it's even harder to get an entirely free phone.

Strangely it's often the camera firmware that's the problem though. :-)

My personal laptop has a replacement WiFi chip which does use entirely
free firmware. I'm not sure what I'm going to have to do to ensure that
I'm still using a free system when I get a new laptop soon (this one is
six years old!).

- Rob.

On Sun, 28 May 2017, at 07:01 AM, aharon wrote:
> might also interest people here:
> 
> https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/zerophone/
> 
> is there a workshop in it..? ;)
> 
> cheers!
> 
> ahanox?
> xxx
> 
> May 27 2017 12:51 PM, "aharon"  wrote:
> > Thanks Helen, didn't know of lineageos.org. will try the os..
> > Fairphone.. yes.. I wonder about the price.. out of my range, but is this 
> > difference in price the
> > kind of number, in pounds, euros and other currencies - of a person's 
> > mobile-linked freedom?
> > the price to pay for not working for google's fame and fortune?
> > 
> > cheers!
> > 
> > aharon
> > xx
> > 
> > May 24 2017 1:07 PM, "helen varley jamieson"  
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> i don't know about all mobile devices, but fairphone has a forum of 
> >> alternative operating systems:
> >> https://forum.fairphone.com/c/software/alternative-oses
> >> 
> >> (i don't have actual experience of any of them, i'm just using the 
> >> standard fairphone kola nut OS)
> >> 
> >> h : )
> >> 
> >> On 23.05.2017 23:22, x wrote:
> >> 
> >>> oh.. operating systems..
> >>> just had over a month of being on road and having to keep technologically 
> >>> cheap yet light..
> >>> hence still suffering android..
> >>> 
> >>> am i missing something or there is a complete and utter absence of 
> >>> quality free operating system
> >>> for mobile devices?
> >>> 
> >>> rant apart  if people need a light, Graphical and upto date os for an 
> >>> old netbook laptop etc
> >>> maybe check puppylinux,?
> >>> you can get, in a sense, latest ubuntu or slackware running on an old or 
> >>> new netbook
> >>> without habing to deal with the commandline bits..
> >>> 
> >>> ciao from brasilia.
> >>> aharon
> >>> xxx
> >>> 
> >>> --
> >>> Sent from myMail for Android
> >>> 
> >>> Monday, 22 May 2017, 10:22pm -03:00 from Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com:
> >>> 
>  It installed quickly for me. I think there's a way to get a graphic os on
>  it but I haven't tried. Used to use Cygwin and still have it!
>  
>  - Alan
>  
>  On Tue, 23 May 2017, James Morris wrote:
> > It's only really the command line tools (which is still a lot!).
> > 
> > I got quite excited about it at work where I'm using a few BASH scripts 
> > with
> > Cygwin on a regular basis. Unfortunately the Windows 10 Anniversary 
> > update
> > which contains the Linux tools consistently fails to install - and 
> > takes 3/4
> > hour to not install :-(
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 22/05/17 23:40, Alan Sondheim wrote:
> >> 
> >> Fwiw, one thing worth noting - for those who are using limited memory 
> >> (like
> >> my netbook), Midori's an excellent browser -
> >> Also wanted to mention that you can open up Ubuntu in Win10 - I have it
> >> working there as well. It comes with the OS,
> >> 
> >> - Alan
> >> 
> >> On Mon, 22 May 2017, helen varley jamieson wrote:
> >> 
> >>> 
> >>> thanks alan :)
> >>> 
> >>> i have noticed how much less space the OS needs, & how quickly 
> >>> everything
> >>> runs!
> >>> 
> >>> h : )
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On 22.05.2017 18:59, Alan Sondheim wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> I use linux on my older laptops; it's easy to install; in fact
> >>> I'm on a Dell netbook now with only 2 gig of ram and it runs
> >>> fine. One good thing about the OS is that you can install a
> >>> different one in maybe 15 minutes, so you can tailor the linux
> >>> distro to your needs. Fwiw, I use linux mint for the most part,
> >>> lots of terminal stuff.
> >>> 
> >>> Good luck with this!
> >>> 
> >>> - Alan
> >>> 
> >>> On Mon, 22 May 2017, helen varley jamieson wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> hi everyone,
> >>> 
> >>> more than a year ago i wrote to this list asking for
> >>> advice about buying a
> >>> linux laptop. it took me a while, but i'm now
> >>> happily working with ubuntu
> >>> mate on a no-brand machine :)
> >>> 
> >>> i spent quite a lot of time looking at second-hand &
> >>> B-ware (ex-display)
> >>> machines, & also at new models (lenovo, dell, hp,
> >>> acer, asus, etc etc ... )
> >>>

Re: [NetBehaviour] linux laptops

2017-05-28 Thread aharon

might also interest people here:

https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/zerophone/

is there a workshop in it..? ;)

cheers!

ahanox?
xxx

May 27 2017 12:51 PM, "aharon"  wrote:
> Thanks Helen, didn't know of lineageos.org. will try the os..
> Fairphone.. yes.. I wonder about the price.. out of my range, but is this 
> difference in price the
> kind of number, in pounds, euros and other currencies - of a person's 
> mobile-linked freedom?
> the price to pay for not working for google's fame and fortune?
> 
> cheers!
> 
> aharon
> xx
> 
> May 24 2017 1:07 PM, "helen varley jamieson"  
> wrote:
> 
>> i don't know about all mobile devices, but fairphone has a forum of 
>> alternative operating systems:
>> https://forum.fairphone.com/c/software/alternative-oses
>> 
>> (i don't have actual experience of any of them, i'm just using the standard 
>> fairphone kola nut OS)
>> 
>> h : )
>> 
>> On 23.05.2017 23:22, x wrote:
>> 
>>> oh.. operating systems..
>>> just had over a month of being on road and having to keep technologically 
>>> cheap yet light..
>>> hence still suffering android..
>>> 
>>> am i missing something or there is a complete and utter absence of quality 
>>> free operating system
>>> for mobile devices?
>>> 
>>> rant apart  if people need a light, Graphical and upto date os for an old 
>>> netbook laptop etc
>>> maybe check puppylinux,?
>>> you can get, in a sense, latest ubuntu or slackware running on an old or 
>>> new netbook
>>> without habing to deal with the commandline bits..
>>> 
>>> ciao from brasilia.
>>> aharon
>>> xxx
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Sent from myMail for Android
>>> 
>>> Monday, 22 May 2017, 10:22pm -03:00 from Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com:
>>> 
 It installed quickly for me. I think there's a way to get a graphic os on
 it but I haven't tried. Used to use Cygwin and still have it!
 
 - Alan
 
 On Tue, 23 May 2017, James Morris wrote:
> It's only really the command line tools (which is still a lot!).
> 
> I got quite excited about it at work where I'm using a few BASH scripts 
> with
> Cygwin on a regular basis. Unfortunately the Windows 10 Anniversary update
> which contains the Linux tools consistently fails to install - and takes 
> 3/4
> hour to not install :-(
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 22/05/17 23:40, Alan Sondheim wrote:
>> 
>> Fwiw, one thing worth noting - for those who are using limited memory 
>> (like
>> my netbook), Midori's an excellent browser -
>> Also wanted to mention that you can open up Ubuntu in Win10 - I have it
>> working there as well. It comes with the OS,
>> 
>> - Alan
>> 
>> On Mon, 22 May 2017, helen varley jamieson wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> thanks alan :)
>>> 
>>> i have noticed how much less space the OS needs, & how quickly 
>>> everything
>>> runs!
>>> 
>>> h : )
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 22.05.2017 18:59, Alan Sondheim wrote:
>>> 
>>> I use linux on my older laptops; it's easy to install; in fact
>>> I'm on a Dell netbook now with only 2 gig of ram and it runs
>>> fine. One good thing about the OS is that you can install a
>>> different one in maybe 15 minutes, so you can tailor the linux
>>> distro to your needs. Fwiw, I use linux mint for the most part,
>>> lots of terminal stuff.
>>> 
>>> Good luck with this!
>>> 
>>> - Alan
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 22 May 2017, helen varley jamieson wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> more than a year ago i wrote to this list asking for
>>> advice about buying a
>>> linux laptop. it took me a while, but i'm now
>>> happily working with ubuntu
>>> mate on a no-brand machine :)
>>> 
>>> i spent quite a lot of time looking at second-hand &
>>> B-ware (ex-display)
>>> machines, & also at new models (lenovo, dell, hp,
>>> acer, asus, etc etc ... )
>>> & got quite overwhelmed by the choice & variables.
>>> nothing was exactly what
>>> i wanted, & i couldn't decide on what to compromise.
>>> i had a couple of
>>> things that were definite - not bigger than 14",
>>> must have ethernet port,
>>> prefereably separate audio in & out; so that
>>> narrowed things down quite a
>>> bit, but still i wasn't finding anything that felt
>>> right.
>>> 
>>> then i found a uk company that sells no-brand
>>> laptops with linux
>>> pre-installed (https://www.entroware.com). i could
>>> choose the hard drive,
>>> RAM, keyboard layout, etc & it arrived 5 days after
>>> i ordered it. i took it
>>> out of the box, turned it on, & started using it.
>>> the trickiest thing i've
>>> had to do so far was use the command line to get it
>>> to talk nicely to my
>>> printer - & i managed that without incident.
>>> 
>>> i'm still adjusting to the non-mac

Re: [NetBehaviour] linux laptops

2017-05-27 Thread aharon

Thanks Helen, didn't know of lineageos.org. will try the os..
Fairphone.. yes.. I wonder about the price.. out of my range, but is this 
difference in price the kind of number, in pounds, euros and other currencies - 
of a person's mobile-linked freedom?
the price to pay for not working for google's fame and fortune?

cheers!

aharon
xx

May 24 2017 1:07 PM, "helen varley jamieson"  wrote:
i don't know about all mobile devices, but fairphone has a forum of 
alternative operating systems: 
https://forum.fairphone.com/c/software/alternative-oses 
(https://forum.fairphone.com/c/software/alternative-oses)

(i don't have actual experience of any of them, i'm just using the 
standard fairphone kola nut OS)

h : ) 
On 23.05.2017 23:22, x wrote: 
oh.. operating systems..
just had over a month of being on road and having to keep technologically cheap 
yet light..
hence still suffering android..

am i missing something or there is a complete and utter absence of 
quality free operating system for mobile devices?

rant apart  if people need a light, Graphical and upto date os for an 
old netbook laptop etc
maybe check puppylinux,?
you can get, in a sense, latest ubuntu or slackware running on an old or new 
netbook
without habing to deal with the commandline bits..

ciao from brasilia.
aharon
xxx
--
Sent from myMail for AndroidMonday, 22 May 2017, 10:22pm -03:00 from Alan 
Sondheim sondh...@panix.com (mailto:sondh...@panix.com):
It installed quickly for me. I think there's a way to get a graphic os on
it but I haven't tried. Used to use Cygwin and still have it!

- Alan

On Tue, 23 May 2017, James Morris wrote:
> It's only really the command line tools (which is still a lot!).
>
> I got quite excited about it at work where I'm using a few BASH scripts with
> Cygwin on a regular basis. Unfortunately the Windows 10 Anniversary update
> which contains the Linux tools consistently fails to install - and takes 3/4
> hour to not install :-(
>
>
>
>
>
> On 22/05/17 23:40, Alan Sondheim wrote:
>>
>> Fwiw, one thing worth noting - for those who are using limited memory (like
>> my netbook), Midori's an excellent browser -
>> Also wanted to mention that you can open up Ubuntu in Win10 - I have it
>> working there as well. It comes with the OS,
>>
>> - Alan
>>
>> On Mon, 22 May 2017, helen varley jamieson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> thanks alan :)
>>>
>>> i have noticed how much less space the OS needs, & how quickly everything
>>> runs!
>>>
>>> h : )
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22.05.2017 18:59, Alan Sondheim wrote:
>>>
>>> I use linux on my older laptops; it's easy to install; in fact
>>> I'm on a Dell netbook now with only 2 gig of ram and it runs
>>> fine. One good thing about the OS is that you can install a
>>> different one in maybe 15 minutes, so you can tailor the linux
>>> distro to your needs. Fwiw, I use linux mint for the most part,
>>> lots of terminal stuff.
>>>
>>> Good luck with this!
>>>
>>> - Alan
>>>
>>> On Mon, 22 May 2017, helen varley jamieson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> hi everyone,
>>>
>>> more than a year ago i wrote to this list asking for
>>> advice about buying a
>>> linux laptop. it took me a while, but i'm now
>>> happily working with ubuntu
>>> mate on a no-brand machine :)
>>>
>>> i spent quite a lot of time looking at second-hand &
>>> B-ware (ex-display)
>>> machines, & also at new models (lenovo, dell, hp,
>>> acer, asus, etc etc ... )
>>> & got quite overwhelmed by the choice & variables.
>>> nothing was exactly what
>>> i wanted, & i couldn't decide on what to compromise.
>>> i had a couple of
>>> things that were definite - not bigger than 14",
>>> must have ethernet port,
>>> prefereably separate audio in & out; so that
>>> narrowed things down quite a
>>> bit, but still i wasn't finding anything that felt
>>> right.
>>>
>>> then i found a uk company that sells no-brand
>>> laptops with linux
>>> pre-installed (https://www.entroware.com (https://www.entroware.com)). i 
>>> could
>>> choose the hard drive,
>>> RAM, keyboard layout, etc & it arrived 5 days after
>>> i ordered it. i took it
>>> out of the box, turned it on, & started using it.
>>> the trickiest thing i've
>>> had to do so far was use the command line to get it
>>> to talk nicely to my
>>> printer - & i managed that without incident.
>>>
>>> i'm still adjusting to the non-mac keyboard
>>> shortcuts - it's easier to take
>>> a screenshot but more difficult to do an umlaut (?),
>>> & there are a couple of
>>> things i still need to work out. & one loss is that
>>> there are no linux
>>> drivers for my wireless webcam, so i'm back to a
>>> tethered webcam for now.
>>> but it is s much faster than my old mac, & i've
>>> found most of the
>>> software that i need.
>>>
>>> so if anyone else out there is also considering
>>> making the switch to linux,
>>> i say - just do it! :)
>>>
>>> h : )
>>> --
>>> helen varley jamieson
>>> he...@creative-catalyst.com (mailto:he...@creative-catalyst.com)

Re: [NetBehaviour] linux laptops

2017-05-24 Thread helen varley jamieson

i don't know about all mobile devices, but fairphone has a forum of
alternative operating systems:
https://forum.fairphone.com/c/software/alternative-oses

(i don't have actual experience of any of them, i'm just using the
standard fairphone kola nut OS)

h : )


On 23.05.2017 23:22, x wrote:
>
> oh.. operating systems..
> just had over a month of being on road and having to keep
> technologically cheap yet light..
> hence still suffering android..
>
> am i missing something or there is a complete and utter absence of
> quality free operating system for mobile devices?
>
> rant apart  if people need a light, Graphical and upto date os for
> an old netbook laptop etc
> maybe check puppylinux,?
> you can get, in a sense, latest ubuntu or slackware running on an old
> or new netbook
> without habing to deal with the commandline bits..
>
> ciao from brasilia.
> aharon
> xxx
>
> --
> Sent from myMail for Android
>
> Monday, 22 May 2017, 10:22pm -03:00 from Alan Sondheim
> sondh...@panix.com :
>
>
>  
>
>
> It installed quickly for me. I think there's a way to get a
> graphic os on
> it but I haven't tried. Used to use Cygwin and still have it!
>
> - Alan
>
> On Tue, 23 May 2017, James Morris wrote:
>  
> > It's only really the command line tools (which is still a lot!).
> >
> > I got quite excited about it at work where I'm using a few BASH
> scripts with
> > Cygwin on a regular basis. Unfortunately the Windows 10
> Anniversary update
> > which contains the Linux tools consistently fails to install -
> and takes 3/4
> > hour to not install :-(
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 22/05/17 23:40, Alan Sondheim wrote:
> >>
> >> Fwiw, one thing worth noting - for those who are using limited
> memory (like
> >> my netbook), Midori's an excellent browser -
> >> Also wanted to mention that you can open up Ubuntu in Win10 - I
> have it
> >> working there as well. It comes with the OS,
> >>
> >> - Alan
> >>
> >> On Mon, 22 May 2017, helen varley jamieson wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> thanks alan :)
> >>>
> >>> i have noticed how much less space the OS needs, & how quickly
> everything
> >>> runs!
> >>>
> >>> h : )
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 22.05.2017 18:59, Alan Sondheim wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I use linux on my older laptops; it's easy to install; in fact
> >>> I'm on a Dell netbook now with only 2 gig of ram and it runs
> >>> fine. One good thing about the OS is that you can install a
> >>> different one in maybe 15 minutes, so you can tailor the linux
> >>> distro to your needs. Fwiw, I use linux mint for the most part,
> >>> lots of terminal stuff.
> >>>
> >>> Good luck with this!
> >>>
> >>> - Alan
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, 22 May 2017, helen varley jamieson wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> hi everyone,
> >>>
> >>> more than a year ago i wrote to this list asking for
> >>> advice about buying a
> >>> linux laptop. it took me a while, but i'm now
> >>> happily working with ubuntu
> >>> mate on a no-brand machine :)
> >>>
> >>> i spent quite a lot of time looking at second-hand &
> >>> B-ware (ex-display)
> >>> machines, & also at new models (lenovo, dell, hp,
> >>> acer, asus, etc etc ... )
> >>> & got quite overwhelmed by the choice & variables.
> >>> nothing was exactly what
> >>> i wanted, & i couldn't decide on what to compromise.
> >>> i had a couple of
> >>> things that were definite - not bigger than 14",
> >>> must have ethernet port,
> >>> prefereably separate audio in & out; so that
> >>> narrowed things down quite a
> >>> bit, but still i wasn't finding anything that felt
> >>> right.
> >>>
> >>> then i found a uk company that sells no-brand
> >>> laptops with linux
> >>> pre-installed (https://www.entroware.com). i could
> >>> choose the hard drive,
> >>> RAM, keyboard layout, etc & it arrived 5 days after
> >>> i ordered it. i took it
> >>> out of the box, turned it on, & started using it.
> >>> the trickiest thing i've
> >>> had to do so far was use the command line to get it
> >>> to talk nicely to my
> >>> printer - & i managed that without incident.
> >>>
> >>> i'm still adjusting to the non-mac keyboard
> >>> shortcuts - it's easier to take
> >>> a screenshot but more difficult to do an umlaut (?),
> >>> & there are a couple of
> >>> things i still need to work out. & one loss is that
> >>> there are no linux
> >>> drivers for my wireless webcam, so i'm back to a
> >>> tethered webcam for now.
> >>> but it is s much faster than my old mac, & i've
> >>> found most of the
> >>> software that i need.
> >>>
> >>> so if anyone else out there is also considering
> >>> making the switch

Re: [NetBehaviour] linux laptops

2017-05-24 Thread helen varley jamieson

i've had no trouble with wireless connectivity, just entered the details
& it worked. installing the printer driver via the command line was
easier than i expected too, i followed the instructions i found online &
it worked first time.

this laptop came with LibreOffice preinstalled, & i was going to switch
to Open Office since i've been using that for a few years already, but
then i found that i would have to deinstall Libre first if i wanted to
install OO. it started to look complicated & so far there doesn't seem
to be a lot of difference between Libre & OO so for now anyway i'm
staying with Libre.

yes, not being able to use flash to create swfs is a temporary problem
for me - since previously this was quite important for creating media
for UpStage. however we are now well underway with a rebuild that frees
the platform from flash, & everything is moving away from flash. i am
using blender for a few things - mainly simply text animation & video
editing - & have found it easier than i anticipated (anticipating
difficulty means that one can be more often pleasantly surprised ;) )

one thing i don't have yet & will need, is a good screen recording app
(audio-video). can anyone recommend one?

h : )


On 24.05.2017 10:35, ruth catlow wrote:
> I've been running Linux Mint on the same Samsung laptop for the last 4
> years without a single unfortunate incident... and low level
> maintenance. With Gimp, Open Office (sometimes annoying), Inkscape,
> Kdenlive, Audacity, VLC, Filezilla.
> Good wireless connectivity. Some trouble with print drives (that's it)
>
> Linux Ra Ra Rah!
>
> Ruth
>
>
>  On 23/05/17 19:15, Edward Picot wrote:
>> Helen,
>>
>> Good for you! I agree that Linux is much less deterring than we are
>> generally led to believe. I started by putting it on an old spare
>> computer a few years ago, and since then I've been buying cheap
>> laptops and over-writing the existing Windows operating system with
>> Linux, which always gives me a bit of a transgressive thrill. Apart
>> from anything else you save a fortune in anti-virus fees. I started
>> out with Mandriva Linux - which was probably an odd choice, but I
>> came across a disc for it somewhere - but I now use Ubuntu.
>> Unfortunately Ubuntu 16, which is the one I'm currently using, has
>> some well-documented wireless connectivity problems, so I have to
>> connect to my router via an ethernet cable, not that that's the end
>> of the world. There are some rather lengthy fixes out there, but I
>> haven't got round to trying them yet.
>>
>> The range and quality of software available for Linux never ceases to
>> amaze me. Libre Office, the Gimp, Audacity, Kdenlive and Inkscape are
>> all wonderful. As for Blender, it's mind-bending to be able to get
>> your hands on a piece of software that powerful for nothing, although
>> it's extremely challenging to learn (I've only scratched the
>> surface). The only thing I genuinely miss is Flash - but Flash in its
>> Adobe incarnation is now so expensive that I wouldn't be able to
>> afford it anyway.
>>
>> Edward
>>
>> On 22/05/17 09:47, helen varley jamieson wrote:
>>>
>>> hi everyone,
>>>
>>> more than a year ago i wrote to this list asking for advice about
>>> buying a linux laptop. it took me a while, but i'm now happily
>>> working with ubuntu mate on a no-brand machine :)
>>>
>>> i spent quite a lot of time looking at second-hand & B-ware
>>> (ex-display) machines, & also at new models (lenovo, dell, hp, acer,
>>> asus, etc etc ... ) & got quite overwhelmed by the choice &
>>> variables. nothing was exactly what i wanted, & i couldn't decide on
>>> what to compromise. i had a couple of things that were definite -
>>> not bigger than 14", must have ethernet port, prefereably separate
>>> audio in & out; so that narrowed things down quite a bit, but still
>>> i wasn't finding anything that felt right.
>>>
>>> then i found a uk company that sells no-brand laptops with linux
>>> pre-installed (https://www.entroware.com). i could choose the hard
>>> drive, RAM, keyboard layout, etc & it arrived 5 days after i ordered
>>> it. i took it out of the box, turned it on, & started using it. the
>>> trickiest thing i've had to do so far was use the command line to
>>> get it to talk nicely to my printer - & i managed that without
>>> incident.
>>>
>>> i'm still adjusting to the non-mac keyboard shortcuts - it's easier
>>> to take a screenshot but more difficult to do an umlaut (ü), & there
>>> are a couple of things i still need to work out. & one loss is that
>>> there are no linux drivers for my wireless webcam, so i'm back to a
>>> tethered webcam for now. but it is s much faster than my old
>>> mac, & i've found most of the software that i need.
>>>
>>> so if anyone else out there is also considering making the switch to
>>> linux, i say - just do it! :)
>>>
>>> h : )
>>> -- 
>>> helen varley jamieson
>>> he...@creative-catalyst.com 
>>>

Re: [NetBehaviour] linux laptops

2017-05-24 Thread ruth catlow

I've been running Linux Mint on the same Samsung laptop for the last 4 
years without a single unfortunate incident... and low level 
maintenance. With Gimp, Open Office (sometimes annoying), Inkscape, 
Kdenlive, Audacity, VLC, Filezilla.

Good wireless connectivity. Some trouble with print drives (that's it)

Linux Ra Ra Rah!

Ruth


 On 23/05/17 19:15, Edward Picot wrote:

Helen,

Good for you! I agree that Linux is much less deterring than we are 
generally led to believe. I started by putting it on an old spare 
computer a few years ago, and since then I've been buying cheap 
laptops and over-writing the existing Windows operating system with 
Linux, which always gives me a bit of a transgressive thrill. Apart 
from anything else you save a fortune in anti-virus fees. I started 
out with Mandriva Linux - which was probably an odd choice, but I came 
across a disc for it somewhere - but I now use Ubuntu. Unfortunately 
Ubuntu 16, which is the one I'm currently using, has some 
well-documented wireless connectivity problems, so I have to connect 
to my router via an ethernet cable, not that that's the end of the 
world. There are some rather lengthy fixes out there, but I haven't 
got round to trying them yet.


The range and quality of software available for Linux never ceases to 
amaze me. Libre Office, the Gimp, Audacity, Kdenlive and Inkscape are 
all wonderful. As for Blender, it's mind-bending to be able to get 
your hands on a piece of software that powerful for nothing, although 
it's extremely challenging to learn (I've only scratched the surface). 
The only thing I genuinely miss is Flash - but Flash in its Adobe 
incarnation is now so expensive that I wouldn't be able to afford it 
anyway.


Edward

On 22/05/17 09:47, helen varley jamieson wrote:


hi everyone,

more than a year ago i wrote to this list asking for advice about 
buying a linux laptop. it took me a while, but i'm now happily 
working with ubuntu mate on a no-brand machine :)


i spent quite a lot of time looking at second-hand & B-ware 
(ex-display) machines, & also at new models (lenovo, dell, hp, acer, 
asus, etc etc ... ) & got quite overwhelmed by the choice & 
variables. nothing was exactly what i wanted, & i couldn't decide on 
what to compromise. i had a couple of things that were definite - not 
bigger than 14", must have ethernet port, prefereably separate audio 
in & out; so that narrowed things down quite a bit, but still i 
wasn't finding anything that felt right.


then i found a uk company that sells no-brand laptops with linux 
pre-installed (https://www.entroware.com). i could choose the hard 
drive, RAM, keyboard layout, etc & it arrived 5 days after i ordered 
it. i took it out of the box, turned it on, & started using it. the 
trickiest thing i've had to do so far was use the command line to get 
it to talk nicely to my printer - & i managed that without incident.


i'm still adjusting to the non-mac keyboard shortcuts - it's easier 
to take a screenshot but more difficult to do an umlaut (ü), & there 
are a couple of things i still need to work out. & one loss is that 
there are no linux drivers for my wireless webcam, so i'm back to a 
tethered webcam for now. but it is s much faster than my old mac, 
& i've found most of the software that i need.


so if anyone else out there is also considering making the switch to 
linux, i say - just do it! :)


h : )
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Re: [NetBehaviour] linux laptops

2017-05-23 Thread x

oh.. operating systems..
just had over a month of being on road and having to keep technologically cheap 
yet light..
hence still suffering android..

am i missing something or there is a complete and utter absence of 
quality free operating system for mobile devices?

rant apart  if people need a light, Graphical and upto date os for an 
old netbook laptop etc
maybe check puppylinux,?
you can get, in a sense, latest ubuntu or slackware running on an old or new 
netbook
without habing to deal with the commandline bits..

ciao from brasilia.
aharon
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It installed quickly for me. I think there's a way to get a graphic os on
it but I haven't tried. Used to use Cygwin and still have it!

- Alan

On Tue, 23 May 2017, James Morris wrote:
> It's only really the command line tools (which is still a lot!).
>
> I got quite excited about it at work where I'm using a few BASH scripts with
> Cygwin on a regular basis. Unfortunately the Windows 10 Anniversary update
> which contains the Linux tools consistently fails to install - and takes 3/4
> hour to not install :-(
>
>
>
>
>
> On 22/05/17 23:40, Alan Sondheim wrote:
>>
>> Fwiw, one thing worth noting - for those who are using limited memory (like
>> my netbook), Midori's an excellent browser -
>> Also wanted to mention that you can open up Ubuntu in Win10 - I have it
>> working there as well. It comes with the OS,
>>
>> - Alan
>>
>> On Mon, 22 May 2017, helen varley jamieson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> thanks alan :)
>>>
>>> i have noticed how much less space the OS needs, & how quickly everything
>>> runs!
>>>
>>> h : )
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22.05.2017 18:59, Alan Sondheim wrote:
>>>
>>> I use linux on my older laptops; it's easy to install; in fact
>>> I'm on a Dell netbook now with only 2 gig of ram and it runs
>>> fine. One good thing about the OS is that you can install a
>>> different one in maybe 15 minutes, so you can tailor the linux
>>> distro to your needs. Fwiw, I use linux mint for the most part,
>>> lots of terminal stuff.
>>>
>>> Good luck with this!
>>>
>>> - Alan
>>>
>>> On Mon, 22 May 2017, helen varley jamieson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> hi everyone,
>>>
>>> more than a year ago i wrote to this list asking for
>>> advice about buying a
>>> linux laptop. it took me a while, but i'm now
>>> happily working with ubuntu
>>> mate on a no-brand machine :)
>>>
>>> i spent quite a lot of time looking at second-hand &
>>> B-ware (ex-display)
>>> machines, & also at new models (lenovo, dell, hp,
>>> acer, asus, etc etc ... )
>>> & got quite overwhelmed by the choice & variables.
>>> nothing was exactly what
>>> i wanted, & i couldn't decide on what to compromise.
>>> i had a couple of
>>> things that were definite - not bigger than 14",
>>> must have ethernet port,
>>> prefereably separate audio in & out; so that
>>> narrowed things down quite a
>>> bit, but still i wasn't finding anything that felt
>>> right.
>>>
>>> then i found a uk company that sells no-brand
>>> laptops with linux
>>> pre-installed (https://www.entroware.com (https://www.entroware.com)). i 
>>> could
>>> choose the hard drive,
>>> RAM, keyboard layout, etc & it arrived 5 days after
>>> i ordered it. i took it
>>> out of the box, turned it on, & started using it.
>>> the trickiest thing i've
>>> had to do so far was use the command line to get it
>>> to talk nicely to my
>>> printer - & i managed that without incident.
>>>
>>> i'm still adjusting to the non-mac keyboard
>>> shortcuts - it's easier to take
>>> a screenshot but more difficult to do an umlaut (?),
>>> & there are a couple of
>>> things i still need to work out. & one loss is that
>>> there are no linux
>>> drivers for my wireless webcam, so i'm back to a
>>> tethered webcam for now.
>>> but it is s much faster than my old mac, & i've
>>> found most of the
>>> software that i need.
>>>
>>> so if anyone else out there is also considering
>>> making the switch to linux,
>>> i say - just do it! :)
>>>
>>> h : )
>>> --
>>> helen varley jamieson
>>> he...@creative-catalyst.com (mailto:he...@creative-catalyst.com)
>>> http://www.creative-catalyst.com (http://www.creative-catalyst.com)
>>> http://www.upstage.org.nz (http://www.upstage.org.nz)
>>>
>>> We have a situation, Coventry!
>>> 24 November 2016
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> New CD:- LIMIT:
>>> http://www.publiceyesore.com/catalog.php?pg=3=138 
>>> (http://www.publiceyesore.com/catalog.php?pg=3=138)
>>> email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ 
>>> (http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/)
>>> web http://www.alansondheim.org (http://www.alansondheim.org) / cell 
>>> 718-813-3285
>>> current text http://www.alansondheim.org/up.txt 
>>> (http://www.alansondheim.org/up.txt)
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> helen varley jamieson
>>> he...@creative-catalyst.com (mailto:he...@creative-catalyst.com)
>>> http://www.creative-catalyst.com

Re: [NetBehaviour] linux laptops

2017-05-23 Thread Edward Picot


Helen,

Good for you! I agree that Linux is much less deterring than we are 
generally led to believe. I started by putting it on an old spare 
computer a few years ago, and since then I've been buying cheap laptops 
and over-writing the existing Windows operating system with Linux, which 
always gives me a bit of a transgressive thrill. Apart from anything 
else you save a fortune in anti-virus fees. I started out with Mandriva 
Linux - which was probably an odd choice, but I came across a disc for 
it somewhere - but I now use Ubuntu. Unfortunately Ubuntu 16, which is 
the one I'm currently using, has some well-documented wireless 
connectivity problems, so I have to connect to my router via an ethernet 
cable, not that that's the end of the world. There are some rather 
lengthy fixes out there, but I haven't got round to trying them yet.


The range and quality of software available for Linux never ceases to 
amaze me. Libre Office, the Gimp, Audacity, Kdenlive and Inkscape are 
all wonderful. As for Blender, it's mind-bending to be able to get your 
hands on a piece of software that powerful for nothing, although it's 
extremely challenging to learn (I've only scratched the surface). The 
only thing I genuinely miss is Flash - but Flash in its Adobe 
incarnation is now so expensive that I wouldn't be able to afford it anyway.


Edward

On 22/05/17 09:47, helen varley jamieson wrote:


hi everyone,

more than a year ago i wrote to this list asking for advice about 
buying a linux laptop. it took me a while, but i'm now happily working 
with ubuntu mate on a no-brand machine :)


i spent quite a lot of time looking at second-hand & B-ware 
(ex-display) machines, & also at new models (lenovo, dell, hp, acer, 
asus, etc etc ... ) & got quite overwhelmed by the choice & variables. 
nothing was exactly what i wanted, & i couldn't decide on what to 
compromise. i had a couple of things that were definite - not bigger 
than 14", must have ethernet port, prefereably separate audio in & 
out; so that narrowed things down quite a bit, but still i wasn't 
finding anything that felt right.


then i found a uk company that sells no-brand laptops with linux 
pre-installed (https://www.entroware.com). i could choose the hard 
drive, RAM, keyboard layout, etc & it arrived 5 days after i ordered 
it. i took it out of the box, turned it on, & started using it. the 
trickiest thing i've had to do so far was use the command line to get 
it to talk nicely to my printer - & i managed that without incident.


i'm still adjusting to the non-mac keyboard shortcuts - it's easier to 
take a screenshot but more difficult to do an umlaut (ü), & there are 
a couple of things i still need to work out. & one loss is that there 
are no linux drivers for my wireless webcam, so i'm back to a tethered 
webcam for now. but it is s much faster than my old mac, & i've 
found most of the software that i need.


so if anyone else out there is also considering making the switch to 
linux, i say - just do it! :)


h : )
--
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he...@creative-catalyst.com 
http://www.creative-catalyst.com
http://www.upstage.org.nz

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Re: [NetBehaviour] linux laptops

2017-05-22 Thread Alan Sondheim



It installed quickly for me. I think there's a way to get a graphic os on 
it but I haven't tried. Used to use Cygwin and still have it!


- Alan

On Tue, 23 May 2017, James Morris wrote:


It's only really the command line tools (which is still a lot!).

I got quite excited about it at work where I'm using a few BASH scripts with 
Cygwin on a regular basis. Unfortunately the Windows 10 Anniversary update 
which contains the Linux tools consistently fails to install - and takes 3/4 
hour to not install :-(






On 22/05/17 23:40, Alan Sondheim wrote:


Fwiw, one thing worth noting - for those who are using limited memory (like 
my netbook), Midori's an excellent browser -
Also wanted to mention that you can open up Ubuntu in Win10 - I have it 
working there as well. It comes with the OS,


- Alan

On Mon, 22 May 2017, helen varley jamieson wrote:



thanks alan :)

i have noticed how much less space the OS needs, & how quickly everything
runs!

h : )


On 22.05.2017 18:59, Alan Sondheim wrote:

  I use linux on my older laptops; it's easy to install; in fact
  I'm on a Dell netbook now with only 2 gig of ram and it runs
  fine. One good thing about the OS is that you can install a
  different one in maybe 15 minutes, so you can tailor the linux
  distro to your needs. Fwiw, I use linux mint for the most part,
  lots of terminal stuff.

  Good luck with this!

  - Alan

  On Mon, 22 May 2017, helen varley jamieson wrote:


hi everyone,

more than a year ago i wrote to this list asking for
advice about buying a
linux laptop. it took me a while, but i'm now
happily working with ubuntu
mate on a no-brand machine :)

i spent quite a lot of time looking at second-hand &
B-ware (ex-display)
machines, & also at new models (lenovo, dell, hp,
acer, asus, etc etc ... )
& got quite overwhelmed by the choice & variables.
nothing was exactly what
i wanted, & i couldn't decide on what to compromise.
i had a couple of
things that were definite - not bigger than 14",
must have ethernet port,
prefereably separate audio in & out; so that
narrowed things down quite a
bit, but still i wasn't finding anything that felt
right.

then i found a uk company that sells no-brand
laptops with linux
pre-installed (https://www.entroware.com). i could
choose the hard drive,
RAM, keyboard layout, etc & it arrived 5 days after
i ordered it. i took it
out of the box, turned it on, & started using it.
the trickiest thing i've
had to do so far was use the command line to get it
to talk nicely to my
printer - & i managed that without incident.

i'm still adjusting to the non-mac keyboard
shortcuts - it's easier to take
a screenshot but more difficult to do an umlaut (?),
& there are a couple of
things i still need to work out. & one loss is that
there are no linux
drivers for my wireless webcam, so i'm back to a
tethered webcam for now.
but it is s much faster than my old mac, & i've
found most of the
software that i need.

so if anyone else out there is also considering
making the switch to linux,
i say - just do it! :)

h : )
--
helen varley jamieson
he...@creative-catalyst.com
http://www.creative-catalyst.com
http://www.upstage.org.nz

We have a situation, Coventry!
24 November 2016




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Re: [NetBehaviour] linux laptops

2017-05-22 Thread James Morris


It's only really the command line tools (which is still a lot!).

I got quite excited about it at work where I'm using a few BASH scripts 
with Cygwin on a regular basis. Unfortunately the Windows 10 Anniversary 
update which contains the Linux tools consistently fails to install - 
and takes 3/4 hour to not install :-(






On 22/05/17 23:40, Alan Sondheim wrote:


Fwiw, one thing worth noting - for those who are using limited memory 
(like my netbook), Midori's an excellent browser -
Also wanted to mention that you can open up Ubuntu in Win10 - I have it 
working there as well. It comes with the OS,


- Alan

On Mon, 22 May 2017, helen varley jamieson wrote:



thanks alan :)

i have noticed how much less space the OS needs, & how quickly everything
runs!

h : )


On 22.05.2017 18:59, Alan Sondheim wrote:

  I use linux on my older laptops; it's easy to install; in fact
  I'm on a Dell netbook now with only 2 gig of ram and it runs
  fine. One good thing about the OS is that you can install a
  different one in maybe 15 minutes, so you can tailor the linux
  distro to your needs. Fwiw, I use linux mint for the most part,
  lots of terminal stuff.

  Good luck with this!

  - Alan

  On Mon, 22 May 2017, helen varley jamieson wrote:


hi everyone,

more than a year ago i wrote to this list asking for
advice about buying a
linux laptop. it took me a while, but i'm now
happily working with ubuntu
mate on a no-brand machine :)

i spent quite a lot of time looking at second-hand &
B-ware (ex-display)
machines, & also at new models (lenovo, dell, hp,
acer, asus, etc etc ... )
& got quite overwhelmed by the choice & variables.
nothing was exactly what
i wanted, & i couldn't decide on what to compromise.
i had a couple of
things that were definite - not bigger than 14",
must have ethernet port,
prefereably separate audio in & out; so that
narrowed things down quite a
bit, but still i wasn't finding anything that felt
right.

then i found a uk company that sells no-brand
laptops with linux
pre-installed (https://www.entroware.com). i could
choose the hard drive,
RAM, keyboard layout, etc & it arrived 5 days after
i ordered it. i took it
out of the box, turned it on, & started using it.
the trickiest thing i've
had to do so far was use the command line to get it
to talk nicely to my
printer - & i managed that without incident.

i'm still adjusting to the non-mac keyboard
shortcuts - it's easier to take
a screenshot but more difficult to do an umlaut (?),
& there are a couple of
things i still need to work out. & one loss is that
there are no linux
drivers for my wireless webcam, so i'm back to a
tethered webcam for now.
but it is s much faster than my old mac, & i've
found most of the
software that i need.

so if anyone else out there is also considering
making the switch to linux,
i say - just do it! :)

h : )
--
helen varley jamieson
he...@creative-catalyst.com
http://www.creative-catalyst.com
http://www.upstage.org.nz

We have a situation, Coventry!
24 November 2016




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Re: [NetBehaviour] linux laptops

2017-05-22 Thread Alan Sondheim



Fwiw, one thing worth noting - for those who are using limited memory 
(like my netbook), Midori's an excellent browser -
Also wanted to mention that you can open up Ubuntu in Win10 - I have it 
working there as well. It comes with the OS,


- Alan

On Mon, 22 May 2017, helen varley jamieson wrote:



thanks alan :)

i have noticed how much less space the OS needs, & how quickly everything
runs!

h : )


On 22.05.2017 18:59, Alan Sondheim wrote:

  I use linux on my older laptops; it's easy to install; in fact
  I'm on a Dell netbook now with only 2 gig of ram and it runs
  fine. One good thing about the OS is that you can install a
  different one in maybe 15 minutes, so you can tailor the linux
  distro to your needs. Fwiw, I use linux mint for the most part,
  lots of terminal stuff.

  Good luck with this!

  - Alan

  On Mon, 22 May 2017, helen varley jamieson wrote:


hi everyone,

more than a year ago i wrote to this list asking for
advice about buying a
linux laptop. it took me a while, but i'm now
happily working with ubuntu
mate on a no-brand machine :)

i spent quite a lot of time looking at second-hand &
B-ware (ex-display)
machines, & also at new models (lenovo, dell, hp,
acer, asus, etc etc ... )
& got quite overwhelmed by the choice & variables.
nothing was exactly what
i wanted, & i couldn't decide on what to compromise.
i had a couple of
things that were definite - not bigger than 14",
must have ethernet port,
prefereably separate audio in & out; so that
narrowed things down quite a
bit, but still i wasn't finding anything that felt
right.

then i found a uk company that sells no-brand
laptops with linux
pre-installed (https://www.entroware.com). i could
choose the hard drive,
RAM, keyboard layout, etc & it arrived 5 days after
i ordered it. i took it
out of the box, turned it on, & started using it.
the trickiest thing i've
had to do so far was use the command line to get it
to talk nicely to my
printer - & i managed that without incident.

i'm still adjusting to the non-mac keyboard
shortcuts - it's easier to take
a screenshot but more difficult to do an umlaut (?),
& there are a couple of
things i still need to work out. & one loss is that
there are no linux
drivers for my wireless webcam, so i'm back to a
tethered webcam for now.
but it is s much faster than my old mac, & i've
found most of the
software that i need.

so if anyone else out there is also considering
making the switch to linux,
i say - just do it! :)

h : )
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Re: [NetBehaviour] linux laptops

2017-05-22 Thread helen varley jamieson

thanks alan :)

i have noticed how much less space the OS needs, & how quickly
everything runs!

h : )


On 22.05.2017 18:59, Alan Sondheim wrote:
>
> I use linux on my older laptops; it's easy to install; in fact I'm on
> a Dell netbook now with only 2 gig of ram and it runs fine. One good
> thing about the OS is that you can install a different one in maybe 15
> minutes, so you can tailor the linux distro to your needs. Fwiw, I use
> linux mint for the most part, lots of terminal stuff.
>
> Good luck with this!
>
> - Alan
>
> On Mon, 22 May 2017, helen varley jamieson wrote:
>
>>
>> hi everyone,
>>
>> more than a year ago i wrote to this list asking for advice about
>> buying a
>> linux laptop. it took me a while, but i'm now happily working with
>> ubuntu
>> mate on a no-brand machine :)
>>
>> i spent quite a lot of time looking at second-hand & B-ware (ex-display)
>> machines, & also at new models (lenovo, dell, hp, acer, asus, etc etc
>> ... )
>> & got quite overwhelmed by the choice & variables. nothing was
>> exactly what
>> i wanted, & i couldn't decide on what to compromise. i had a couple of
>> things that were definite - not bigger than 14", must have ethernet
>> port,
>> prefereably separate audio in & out; so that narrowed things down
>> quite a
>> bit, but still i wasn't finding anything that felt right.
>>
>> then i found a uk company that sells no-brand laptops with linux
>> pre-installed (https://www.entroware.com). i could choose the hard
>> drive,
>> RAM, keyboard layout, etc & it arrived 5 days after i ordered it. i
>> took it
>> out of the box, turned it on, & started using it. the trickiest thing
>> i've
>> had to do so far was use the command line to get it to talk nicely to my
>> printer - & i managed that without incident.
>>
>> i'm still adjusting to the non-mac keyboard shortcuts - it's easier
>> to take
>> a screenshot but more difficult to do an umlaut (?), & there are a
>> couple of
>> things i still need to work out. & one loss is that there are no linux
>> drivers for my wireless webcam, so i'm back to a tethered webcam for
>> now.
>> but it is s much faster than my old mac, & i've found most of the
>> software that i need.
>>
>> so if anyone else out there is also considering making the switch to
>> linux,
>> i say - just do it! :)
>>
>> h : )
>> -- 
>> helen varley jamieson
>> he...@creative-catalyst.com
>> http://www.creative-catalyst.com
>> http://www.upstage.org.nz
>>
>> We have a situation, Coventry!
>> 24 November 2016
>>
>>
>>
>
> New CD:- LIMIT:
> http://www.publiceyesore.com/catalog.php?pg=3=138
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> web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 718-813-3285
> current text http://www.alansondheim.org/up.txt
>

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Re: [NetBehaviour] linux laptops

2017-05-22 Thread helen varley jamieson

hi pall,

the webcam is a BT-1 (http://www.ecamm.com/support/?cat=bt1) & it seems
to be mac only (& isn't made anymore). i had a bit of a look for a linux
driver for it but didn't find one. if you know of one, please tell me!

i'm still experimenting with the keyboard, & which keys to use for what.
i often need spanish accents as well as german & sometimes serbian or
other alphabet characters too, so i'm used to having to do a bit of
switching around :)

h : )


On 22.05.2017 13:55, Pall Thayer wrote:
> Hi Helen,
>
> What is the wireless webcam?
>
> Also, you should be able to find a keyboard layout that makes it
> easier to type an umlaut. I frequently have to switch between English
> and Icelandic, so I have things set up so that right-Ctrl-Shift
> switches between American and Icelandic layouts.
>
> Best r.
> Pall
>
> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 4:48 AM helen varley jamieson
> > wrote:
>
> hi everyone,
>
> more than a year ago i wrote to this list asking for advice about
> buying a linux laptop. it took me a while, but i'm now happily
> working with ubuntu mate on a no-brand machine :)
>
> i spent quite a lot of time looking at second-hand & B-ware
> (ex-display) machines, & also at new models (lenovo, dell, hp,
> acer, asus, etc etc ... ) & got quite overwhelmed by the choice &
> variables. nothing was exactly what i wanted, & i couldn't decide
> on what to compromise. i had a couple of things that were definite
> - not bigger than 14", must have ethernet port, prefereably
> separate audio in & out; so that narrowed things down quite a bit,
> but still i wasn't finding anything that felt right.
>
> then i found a uk company that sells no-brand laptops with linux
> pre-installed (https://www.entroware.com). i could choose the hard
> drive, RAM, keyboard layout, etc & it arrived 5 days after i
> ordered it. i took it out of the box, turned it on, & started
> using it. the trickiest thing i've had to do so far was use the
> command line to get it to talk nicely to my printer - & i managed
> that without incident.
>
> i'm still adjusting to the non-mac keyboard shortcuts - it's
> easier to take a screenshot but more difficult to do an umlaut
> (ü), & there are a couple of things i still need to work out. &
> one loss is that there are no linux drivers for my wireless
> webcam, so i'm back to a tethered webcam for now. but it is s
> much faster than my old mac, & i've found most of the software
> that i need.
>
> so if anyone else out there is also considering making the switch
> to linux, i say - just do it! :)
>
> h : )
> -- 
> helen varley jamieson
> he...@creative-catalyst.com 
> http://www.creative-catalyst.com
> http://www.upstage.org.nz
>
> *We have a situation, Coventry!
> *
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Re: [NetBehaviour] linux laptops

2017-05-22 Thread Alan Sondheim



I use linux on my older laptops; it's easy to install; in fact I'm on a 
Dell netbook now with only 2 gig of ram and it runs fine. One good thing 
about the OS is that you can install a different one in maybe 15 minutes, 
so you can tailor the linux distro to your needs. Fwiw, I use linux mint 
for the most part, lots of terminal stuff.


Good luck with this!

- Alan

On Mon, 22 May 2017, helen varley jamieson wrote:



hi everyone,

more than a year ago i wrote to this list asking for advice about buying a
linux laptop. it took me a while, but i'm now happily working with ubuntu
mate on a no-brand machine :)

i spent quite a lot of time looking at second-hand & B-ware (ex-display)
machines, & also at new models (lenovo, dell, hp, acer, asus, etc etc ... )
& got quite overwhelmed by the choice & variables. nothing was exactly what
i wanted, & i couldn't decide on what to compromise. i had a couple of
things that were definite - not bigger than 14", must have ethernet port,
prefereably separate audio in & out; so that narrowed things down quite a
bit, but still i wasn't finding anything that felt right.

then i found a uk company that sells no-brand laptops with linux
pre-installed (https://www.entroware.com). i could choose the hard drive,
RAM, keyboard layout, etc & it arrived 5 days after i ordered it. i took it
out of the box, turned it on, & started using it. the trickiest thing i've
had to do so far was use the command line to get it to talk nicely to my
printer - & i managed that without incident.

i'm still adjusting to the non-mac keyboard shortcuts - it's easier to take
a screenshot but more difficult to do an umlaut (?), & there are a couple of
things i still need to work out. & one loss is that there are no linux
drivers for my wireless webcam, so i'm back to a tethered webcam for now.
but it is s much faster than my old mac, & i've found most of the
software that i need.

so if anyone else out there is also considering making the switch to linux,
i say - just do it! :)

h : )
--
helen varley jamieson
he...@creative-catalyst.com
http://www.creative-catalyst.com
http://www.upstage.org.nz

We have a situation, Coventry!
24 November 2016





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Re: [NetBehaviour] linux laptops

2017-05-22 Thread Pall Thayer

Hi Helen,

What is the wireless webcam?

Also, you should be able to find a keyboard layout that makes it easier to
type an umlaut. I frequently have to switch between English and Icelandic,
so I have things set up so that right-Ctrl-Shift switches between American
and Icelandic layouts.

Best r.
Pall

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 4:48 AM helen varley jamieson <
he...@creative-catalyst.com> wrote:

> hi everyone,
>
> more than a year ago i wrote to this list asking for advice about buying a
> linux laptop. it took me a while, but i'm now happily working with ubuntu
> mate on a no-brand machine :)
>
> i spent quite a lot of time looking at second-hand & B-ware (ex-display)
> machines, & also at new models (lenovo, dell, hp, acer, asus, etc etc ... )
> & got quite overwhelmed by the choice & variables. nothing was exactly what
> i wanted, & i couldn't decide on what to compromise. i had a couple of
> things that were definite - not bigger than 14", must have ethernet port,
> prefereably separate audio in & out; so that narrowed things down quite a
> bit, but still i wasn't finding anything that felt right.
>
> then i found a uk company that sells no-brand laptops with linux
> pre-installed (https://www.entroware.com). i could choose the hard drive,
> RAM, keyboard layout, etc & it arrived 5 days after i ordered it. i took it
> out of the box, turned it on, & started using it. the trickiest thing i've
> had to do so far was use the command line to get it to talk nicely to my
> printer - & i managed that without incident.
>
> i'm still adjusting to the non-mac keyboard shortcuts - it's easier to
> take a screenshot but more difficult to do an umlaut (ü), & there are a
> couple of things i still need to work out. & one loss is that there are no
> linux drivers for my wireless webcam, so i'm back to a tethered webcam for
> now. but it is s much faster than my old mac, & i've found most of the
> software that i need.
>
> so if anyone else out there is also considering making the switch to
> linux, i say - just do it! :)
> h : )
> --
> helen varley jamieson
> he...@creative-catalyst.com
> http://www.creative-catalyst.com
> http://www.upstage.org.nz
>
> *We have a situation, Coventry! *
> 24 November 2016
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Re: [NetBehaviour] linux laptops

2017-05-22 Thread Marc.garrett

Hi Helen,

It's lovely to hear such a positive outcome, in regard to someone successfully 
moving over from a 'proprietary controlled computer system' onto something, 
less based around Californian Ideology, and Acceleration, based principles ;-)

I work with a Linux OS everyday, and have done for years and will carry doing 
so. We mainly use Linux at the gallery for exhibitions, although many artists 
use Apple OS's. However, we have recycled and re-used Apple comps, which are 
now runniing on Linux OS's -- mainly Ubuntu or Mint.

Personally, my fave Linux OS is Debian. But, I mainly use Mint because it's 
easier to connect with printers etc...

Wishing you well.

marc

Marc Garrett

Co-Founder, Co-Director and main editor of Furtherfield.
Art, technology and social change, since 1996
http://www.furtherfield.org

Furtherfield Gallery & Commons in the park

Finsbury Park, London N4 2NQhttp://www.furtherfield.org/gallery
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Subject: [NetBehaviour] linux laptops
Local Time: May 22, 2017 9:47 AM
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To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity 
<netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org>

hi everyone,

more than a year ago i wrote to this list asking for advice about buying a 
linux laptop. it took me a while, but i'm now happily working with ubuntu mate 
on a no-brand machine :)

i spent quite a lot of time looking at second-hand & B-ware (ex-display) 
machines, & also at new models (lenovo, dell, hp, acer, asus, etc etc ... ) & 
got quite overwhelmed by the choice & variables. nothing was exactly what i 
wanted, & i couldn't decide on what to compromise. i had a couple of things 
that were definite - not bigger than 14", must have ethernet port, prefereably 
separate audio in & out; so that narrowed things down quite a bit, but still i 
wasn't finding anything that felt right.

then i found a uk company that sells no-brand laptops with linux pre-installed 
(https://www.entroware.com). i could choose the hard drive, RAM, keyboard 
layout, etc & it arrived 5 days after i ordered it. i took it out of the box, 
turned it on, & started using it. the trickiest thing i've had to do so far was 
use the command line to get it to talk nicely to my printer - & i managed that 
without incident.

i'm still adjusting to the non-mac keyboard shortcuts - it's easier to take a 
screenshot but more difficult to do an umlaut (ü), & there are a couple of 
things i still need to work out. & one loss is that there are no linux drivers 
for my wireless webcam, so i'm back to a tethered webcam for now. but it is 
s much faster than my old mac, & i've found most of the software that i 
need.

so if anyone else out there is also considering making the switch to linux, i 
say - just do it! :)

h : )

--
helen varley jamieson
he...@creative-catalyst.com
http://www.creative-catalyst.com
http://www.upstage.org.nz

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2017-05-22 Thread helen varley jamieson

hi everyone,

more than a year ago i wrote to this list asking for advice about buying
a linux laptop. it took me a while, but i'm now happily working with
ubuntu mate on a no-brand machine :)

i spent quite a lot of time looking at second-hand & B-ware (ex-display)
machines, & also at new models (lenovo, dell, hp, acer, asus, etc etc
... ) & got quite overwhelmed by the choice & variables. nothing was
exactly what i wanted, & i couldn't decide on what to compromise. i had
a couple of things that were definite - not bigger than 14", must have
ethernet port, prefereably separate audio in & out; so that narrowed
things down quite a bit, but still i wasn't finding anything that felt
right.

then i found a uk company that sells no-brand laptops with linux
pre-installed (https://www.entroware.com). i could choose the hard
drive, RAM, keyboard layout, etc & it arrived 5 days after i ordered it.
i took it out of the box, turned it on, & started using it. the
trickiest thing i've had to do so far was use the command line to get it
to talk nicely to my printer - & i managed that without incident.

i'm still adjusting to the non-mac keyboard shortcuts - it's easier to
take a screenshot but more difficult to do an umlaut (ü), & there are a
couple of things i still need to work out. & one loss is that there are
no linux drivers for my wireless webcam, so i'm back to a tethered
webcam for now. but it is s much faster than my old mac, & i've
found most of the software that i need.

so if anyone else out there is also considering making the switch to
linux, i say - just do it! :)

h : )
-- 
helen varley jamieson
he...@creative-catalyst.com 
http://www.creative-catalyst.com
http://www.upstage.org.nz

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