Re: [newbie-it] Suggerimenti: installazione e pacchetti
On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 00:23:15 +0100 Alessandro Piaser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mi spiego meglio. Ho il pacchetto A da installare, ma ha bisogno delle dipendenze B e C, che a sua volta ha bisogno di C1 e C2. C'è un opzione che mi permette di installare A+B+C+C1+C2? In genere funziona bene il comando urpmi di Mandrake: se individua le librerie che gli mancano in uno dei pacchetti del suo database (di default i CD di installazione) fa quasi tutto da solo (ti chiede di inserire i CD necessari). Puoi aggiungere al suo database anche dei siti internet Mandrake-like 2 il cdrom Non ho mai avuto a che fare con cd-rom non atapi. Quindi deviseguire quello che ti dicono i sacri testi. Incomincio dal punto più semplice l'audio Per questo, prova a vedere il sito delle pnp-utils http://www.roestock.demon.co.uk/isapnptools/ Anche se la scheda NON è PnP? Non ti so dire niente, non ho mai maneggiato cose del genere. :-( Gli unici riferimenti che conosco sono http://www.pluto.linux.it/ildp/HOWTO/Sound-HOWTO.html http://www.pluto.linux.it/ildp/HOWTO/CDROM-HOWTO.html che immagino tu abbia già visto. Ho provato con i comandi dettati dai testi sacri, ma quando do il comando ln -s /dev/sbpcd /dev/cdrom si freezza il terminale Suggerimenti? questo mi sembra molto strano. ln -s crea solo un link simbolico tra qualcosa di già esistente e un nuovo nome-file: una specie di alias. L'unica situazione in cui credo possano verificarsi problemi è se il nuovo nome-file è coinvolto in qualcosa che si avvia automaticamente. Non è che hai lasciato attivo il supermount ? È un bellissimo tool ma che ha già un sacco di problemi con i normali CD: nel tuo caso è da piallare al volo! Ottimizzazione del sistema. Ho letto un howto che ha per argomento installazione e qualche tips su 386 e fossili simili. Tra le varie cose consiglia di ridurre il numero di console virtuali da 6 a 4 o meno per liberare memoria modificando inittab, può essere applicabile anche al mio caso? Stessa domanda per i desktop virtuali in X nè ho 4 se ne tengo solo uno (anche perchè gli altri non sono usati) risparmio risorse? e dove effetto la modifica in questo caso? Qualsiasi lavoro che togli al sistema lo allegerisce. Quanto? non saprei dirti. Per ridurre i desktop virtuali in X devi lavorare sui file/tool di configurazione del tuo window-manager, se ben ricordo ICE. ciao, Andrea
Re: [newbie-it] Scheda audio
Alle 07:59, martedì 25 febbraio 2003, Lele ha scritto: Dopo l'installazione di mdk9 nonriesco a sentire i suoni di sistema nè i cd musicali. Ho una scheda audio integrata e una soundblaster e vorrei usare solo quest'ultima, come posso disabilitare l'altra? Grazie per le eventuali risposte Ciao, la scheda audio integrata puoi disabilitarla dal BIOS (vedi sul manuale della tua scheda madre come fare). Se il problema dell'assenza di audio persiste, prova a verificare che la voce PnP OS Installed (o vici simili) del BIOS sia settata su NO e che i livelli audio non siano a zero. Altrimenti, facci sapere di più... Daniele -- «Il mondo si divide in 10 tipi di persone: quelle che conoscono la numerazione binaria, e quelle che non la conoscono.»
Re: [newbie-it] Avvio automatico Seti@Home
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 06:32, Di Fresco Marco wrote: Ciao a tutti, so che quella che sto per fare e' una delle piu' banali domande che si possa fare, ma non so come risolvere la questione e non ho idea su dove trovare la risposta nella documentazione: ho installato [EMAIL PROTECTED] e vorrei farlo partire all'avvio (di qualsiasi utente), come posso farlo? premettendo che non so di che programma si tratti. se lo vuoi far partire quando lanci ( X ) KDE /home/tua_home/.kde/Autostar se lo vuoi far partire al boot ,per averlo disponibile anche in modalita testo, crei uno script e inserisci una stringa che lo richiami in /etc/rc.d/rc.local (o direttamente in rc.local ..non ho mai provato nessuna delle strade che ti ho indicato) spero di non aver detto troppe [EMAIL PROTECTED]@*e Di Fresco Marco Ciao , Tom
Re: [newbie-it] rpmdrake
Alle 01:30, mercoledì 26 febbraio 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: mi sapete dire xké quando lancio rpmdrake-remove per rimuovere i pacchetti installati, dopo avermi chiesto se andare avanti o meno, si blocca sulla schermata sto leggendo il database dei pacchetti (o qualcosa di simile)? Hai provato ad eseguire: rpm --rebuilddb (senza le virgolette, ovviamente) dalla console di root? Daniele Micci -- «Il mondo si divide in 10 tipi di persone: quelle che conoscono la numerazione binaria, e quelle che non la conoscono.»
Re: [newbie-it] Suggerimenti: installazione e pacchetti
Il 01:13, martedì 25 febbraio 2003, Alessandro Piaser ha scritto: - Original Message - Un piccolo consiglio (più che altro per te) : Se si scrivono messaggi così lunghi e con domande così diverse tra loro Vero, ma siccome io chiamerei questo thread storia di un'ordinaria installazione su un computer datato penso che spezzettare messaggi per le diverse problematiche rischia di frammentare il tutto, vieversa in questo modo altri che si trovassero o si trovernno nella mia situazione avranno un punto di riferimento con diverse risposte, anche se non tutte. Già ma non è detto che una persona abbia esattamente il tuo stesso problema mentre è più probabile che si possa trovare in uno solo dei molti problemi che hai citato. In passato ho scritto per dei problemi con samba in questa lista, ma evidentemente erano troppo tecnici, il problema l'ho risolto in una lista più specifica (grazie! Simo Source), come vedi ci sono i pro e i contro. Scusaci se non siamo abbastanza tecnici, proveremo a migliorare (la lista si chiama apposta newbie anche se c'è gente che è abbastanza esperta e qualcun'altra che ha server samba perfettamente funzionanti :-) ), anche se non capisco a quali contro tu ti riferisca, le liste si fanno per aiutarsi, al massimo non ti si risponde ma non per questo lo si può chiamare contro (a meno che spezzettare un messaggio in più parti ti arrechi dei danni che non avevo previsto) Terrò sicuramente da conto la tua osservazione per il futuro. Per concludere un consiglio te lo do io, non quotare l'intero messaggio quando rispondi, ma solo le parti strettamente necessarie e pertinenti, mi hai quotato l'intero messaggio quando hai sintetizzato quello che volevi dire in poche righe. L'ho imparato ai tempi di Fidonet C. Grazie per il consiglio ma l'ho fatto apposta per farti capire quanto fosse lungo nonostante i numerosi punti di sospensione che ho messo al posto di altrettante lunghe righe del tuo messaggio originale. Alla prossima. Bye Alessandro Bye
Re: [newbie-it] rpmdrake
Il 01:30, mercoledì 26 febbraio 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: mi sapete dire xké quando lancio rpmdrake-remove per rimuovere i pacchetti installati, dopo avermi chiesto se andare avanti o meno, si blocca sulla schermata sto leggendo il database dei pacchetti (o qualcosa di simile)? Ti dà problemi anche con il comando rpm? Ciao
Re: [newbie-it] Avvio automatico Seti@Home
Il 06:32, mercoledì 26 febbraio 2003, Di Fresco Marco ha scritto: Ciao a tutti, so che quella che sto per fare e' una delle piu' banali domande che si possa fare, ma non so come risolvere la questione e non ho idea su dove trovare la risposta nella documentazione: ho installato [EMAIL PROTECTED] e vorrei farlo partire all'avvio (di qualsiasi utente), come posso farlo? Grazie in anticipo. Di Fresco Marco Se usi KDE e vuoi che questo parta appena un'utente accede alla sua home con KDE lo metti in /usr/share/autostart (così vale per tutti gli utenti); per la sintassi te ne scopiazzi uno di quelli che già ci sono. Se invece vuoi dare libertà ad i tuoi utenti (non vedo perchè debbano usare KDE) gli infili qualche riga di script in /etc/bashrc (almeno bash la vorranno usare Vabbè, altrimenti la metti in /etc/csh.cshrc). Se per avvio di qualsiasi utente intendi il primo che accende fisicamente il computer allora /etc/rc.d è il posto che fa pe te; mentre se hai esigenze diverse tipo un computer che resta acceso od altro ci sono cron ed anacron. Se invece ci spiegassi meglio cosa sia questo programma e, soprattutto, cosa gli vorresti far fare allora si potrebbe entrare in dettaglio. Ciao, Germano
Re: [newbie-it] rpmdrake
Daniele Micci wrote: Alle 01:30, mercoledì 26 febbraio 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: mi sapete dire xké quando lancio rpmdrake-remove per rimuovere i pacchetti installati, dopo avermi chiesto se andare avanti o meno, si blocca sulla schermata sto leggendo il database dei pacchetti (o qualcosa di simile)? Hai provato ad eseguire: rpm --rebuilddb (senza le virgolette, ovviamente) dalla console di root? Daniele Micci un certo periodo di ricerca è fisiologico cmq e notevolmente ridotto con le ultime versioni per cui direi anche , se si trattasse di una ventina di secondi , che non sia da allarmarsi francesco
[newbie-it] D-link dfe 538tx
Ok ragazzi, devo ricorrere alla vostra gentilezza ed alle vostre esperienze: ho montato una scheda di rete D-link dfe538tx e siccome non ho mai avuto a che fare con reti e adattori di rete non so completamante come fare a farla accettare alla mia mdk 9.0, so che dovrei cercare il modulo ma non trovo sorgenti di driver adatti nel sito d-link. Qualcuno e così gentile da scrivermi un breve how-to? Grazie, marvy mdk 9.0 - i686
[newbie-it] BenQ DC1300
Aiuto!!! Ho acquistato una stupenda fotocamera BenQ DC1300: 1280x1024 colore 30 bit registrazione video con sonoro fino a 90 sec. audio fino a 9 min. flash-autoscatto-varie regolazioni del bianco-macro per solo 79,00 euro. Dalla pagina http://www.everythinglinux.com.au/item/BEN99900?elinux=f45de1a2d519d71e38532 c98e48c5b19 ho letto che la DC1300 è supportata come periferica usb mass storage (Note for Linux Users - usb-storage mode works fine with this camera, but PC control mode does not, there is preliminary code in the developers version of gphoto2, but it aparantly does not work, yet.) ma a me non riesce di farla vedere alla Mandrake 9.0! Sigh! Non voglio usare Winzozz per utilizzarla! NON VOGLIO! :-((( Aiut! RinoX
[newbie-it] File Temporanei
Ciao a tutti. Qualcuno sa dirmi se e dove si depositano i file temporanei internet e come eventualmente eliminarli? E come comportarsi con i vari tmp? Grazie Gabriele
Re: [newbie-it] Avvio automatico Seti@Home
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 6:32 am, Di Fresco Marco wrote about [newbie-it] Avvio automatico [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ciao a tutti, so che quella che sto per fare e' una delle piu' banali domande che si possa fare, ma non so come risolvere la questione e non ho idea su dove trovare la risposta nella documentazione: ho installato [EMAIL PROTECTED] e vorrei farlo partire all'avvio (di qualsiasi utente), come posso farlo? Se vuoi usare lo stesso seti per tutti gli utenti, dovresti probabilmente metterlo nell /etc/rc.local qualcosa del tipo setiathome -nice 19 se l'hai nel path, altrimenti va aggiunta la directory dov'e' il seti. Per chi non lo sa il seti e' un progetto di calcolo distribuito. L'acronimo sta per Searching for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence. Incomincio a dubitare che troveranno mai qualcosa, ma gli sono affezionato:-) bye -- Devil Inside Experiment - C'era un bambino che odiava la polizia http://www.acidlife.com/mayhem/freefred/ Davide Banda Partial Arts [2000] - http://www.marcob.org/go.asp?~freefred/ ICQ uin 5887365 - PGP key available on keyservers
RE: [newbie-it] Avvio automatico Seti@Home
Se usi KDE e vuoi che questo parta appena un'utente accede alla sua home con KDE lo metti in /usr/share/autostart (così vale per tutti gli utenti); per la sintassi te ne scopiazzi uno di quelli che già ci sono. Se invece vuoi dare libertà ad i tuoi utenti (non vedo perchè debbano usare KDE) gli infili qualche riga di script in /etc/bashrc (almeno bash la vorranno usare Vabbè, altrimenti la metti in /etc/csh.cshrc). Al momento sono l'unico utente, comunque provo la possibilita' descritta nel prossimo paragrafo. Se per avvio di qualsiasi utente intendi il primo che accende fisicamente il computer allora /etc/rc.d è il posto che fa pe te; Credo che questa sia la possibilita' migliore. mentre se hai esigenze diverse tipo un computer che resta acceso od altro ci sono cron ed anacron. Non e' il mio caso. Se invece ci spiegassi meglio cosa sia questo programma e, soprattutto, cosa gli vorresti far fare allora si potrebbe entrare in dettaglio. [EMAIL PROTECTED] e' un programma di distributed computing. In poche parole metto a disposizione il mio computer (soprattutto quando e' acceso ma non usato [idle]) per fare elaborazioni scientifiche; il programma riceve pacchetti di informazioni da elaborare, le elabora, manda i risultati indietro al server e scarica nuovi pacchetti. Questo tipo di programmi viene usato dagli istituti di ricerca che non hanno fondi sufficienti per comprare mega computer per fare le elaborazioni e quindi cercano volontari a cui ripartire la mole di dati da elaborare. Il sito e': http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ Di Fresco Marco ICQ #51985192 |--| | Spock (Court Martial - TOS): If I let go a hammer on a planet having a | | positive gravity, I need not see it fall to know that it has, in fact, | | fallen. | |--|
[newbie-it] Problema pppd
Ciao a tutti, sono un nuovo iscritto della lista. Ho un problemone con il demone ppp. Ho installato la Mandrake 9 per curiosita' ma non riesco a configurare la connessione. Quando la creo tramite il centro di controllo mandrake mi dice che... sono stati riscontrati dei problemi... e di provare a connettersi con Net_monitor. Anche se alla fine mi da questo messaggio la connessione viene creata ed il modem funzica correttamente. Se mi connetto con la finestra di connessione di Kde riesco a connettermi ma non riesco a navigare mentre se uso Gnome non mi permette nemmeno di restare online e mi da un errore sul demone ppp, se invece utilizzo Net_monitor funziona, ma per usarlo devo essere root e non esiste che tutte le volte che ho bisogno di connettermi devo fare su per passare a root. In /ect /option ho: lock noipdefault noauth usepeerdns defaultroute ho messo anche il DNS del mio provider in /etc/resolv.conf ma non cambia nulla... Scusate se mi sono dilungato un po' troppo. Grazie Ciao Davide
Re: [newbie-it] Avvio automatico Seti@Home
- Original Message - risposta nella documentazione: ho installato [EMAIL PROTECTED] e vorrei farlo partire all'avvio (di qualsiasi utente), come posso farlo? Utilizzi anche SetiLog e KSetispy per caso? Bye Alessandro
Re: [newbie-it] Suggerimenti: installazione e pacchetti
- Original Message - From: Andrea Celli [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mi spiego meglio. Ho il pacchetto A da installare, ma ha bisogno delle dipendenze B e C, che a sua volta ha bisogno di C1 e C2. C'è un opzione che mi permette di installare A+B+C+C1+C2? In genere funziona bene il comando urpmi di Mandrake: se individua le librerie che gli mancano in uno dei pacchetti del suo database (di default i CD di installazione) fa quasi tutto da solo (ti chiede di inserire i CD necessari). Puoi aggiungere al suo database anche dei siti internet Mandrake-like Ma l'urpmi non viene chiamato da rpmdrake? Mi riferivo al caso di rpm da linea di comando, prima di un'eventuale installazione di urpmi. Per la questione del database dei pacchetti e la sezione errata che mi avevi segnalato ho lanciato il comando urpmi.updates cdrom8 come scritto, ma mi dice command not found. Gli unici riferimenti che conosco sono http://www.pluto.linux.it/ildp/HOWTO/Sound-HOWTO.html http://www.pluto.linux.it/ildp/HOWTO/CDROM-HOWTO.html che immagino tu abbia già visto. Infatti, oltre a qualche documento specifico sui cdrom con interfacia proprietaria. ln -s crea solo un link simbolico tra qualcosa di già esistente e un nuovo nome-file: una specie di alias. L'unica situazione in cui credo possano verificarsi problemi è se il nuovo nome-file è coinvolto in qualcosa che si avvia automaticamente. Non è che hai lasciato attivo il supermount ? Penso di si anche perchè ho modificato solo quello di cui abbiamo parlato Dove dovrei andare a vedere? Per ridurre i desktop virtuali in X devi lavorare sui file/tool di configurazione del tuo window-manager, se ben ricordo ICE. Avevo già dato un'occhiata alla configurazione con icepref e IceWMCP, che mi avevi segnalato, ma non ho trovato nulla che si riferisca a quello, solo i nomi dei desktop. Quali sarebbero i file interessati? Non finirò mai di ringraziarti Bye Alessandro
Re: [newbie-it] Avvio automatico Seti@Home
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 21:56, Di Fresco Marco wrote: server e scarica nuovi pacchetti. Questo tipo di programmi viene usato dagli istituti di ricerca che non hanno fondi sufficienti per comprare mega computer per fare le elaborazioni e quindi cercano volontari a cui ripartire la mole di dati da elaborare. come un cluster.figo! Ciao , Tom
RE: [newbie-it] Avvio automatico Seti@Home
Utilizzi anche SetiLog e KSetispy per caso? Attualmente no. Avevo provato SetiLog per Win, ma dopo un po' l'ho disinstallato perche' non lo usavo. Di Fresco Marco ICQ #51985192 |--| | Spock (Court Martial - TOS): If I let go a hammer on a planet having a | | positive gravity, I need not see it fall to know that it has, in fact, | | fallen. | |--|
RE: [newbie] Opera7
now, if only i can wean myself off Outlook Express for my email. I am with you on this one except i am using Outlook. I cant find any way to move data over. However i havent setup an IMAP server, then moved my email to that and then pull open evolution/sylpheed/etc and then pull it down. Any other thoughts on how to move from Outlook/Express to Linux email? I have tried Netscape/Mozilla but they dont allow exporting, GR. Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Telnet
So, if everything works, why doesn't telnet?!?! I am almost out of ideas...
What security level are you running? In msec 4 level, Services not
contained in /etc/security/msec/server.4 are disabled during
package installation ( considered as not really secure ) ( but the user
can reenable it with chkconfig -add ). telnet is not in the default
server.4 file. Security level is stored in the SECURE_LEVEL env variable.
man msec and /usr/share/doc/msec-0.36/security.txt contain more details.
sorry, no other ideas :-{
raffaele
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 25 February 2003 17:30, Raffaele Belardi wrote:
Raffaele
when i ping 127.0.0.1 all is ok i get replay.
when i urmpi i get
everything already installed
when doing the ps command i get
1364 ?S 0:00 xinetd -stayalive -reuse -pidfile
/var/run/xinetd.pid
3724 pts/2S 0:00 grep xinetd
there is a file call /etc/xinetd.d/telnet and it contains the line disable=no
/etc/xinetd.conf contains only data regarding to hotwayd
Gil
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Re: [newbie] Opera7
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 03:18 am, Robert Wideman wrote: now, if only i can wean myself off Outlook Express for my email. I am with you on this one except i am using Outlook. I cant find any way to move data over. However i havent setup an IMAP server, then moved my email to that and then pull open evolution/sylpheed/etc and then pull it down. Any other thoughts on how to move from Outlook/Express to Linux email? I have tried Netscape/Mozilla but they dont allow exporting, GR. Rob I'm not sure this will answer your question. i'm not sure this is your question, But with Kmail you can import Outlook Express mail. File / Import. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ARTICLE: Operating Systems to become obsolete?
On Wednesday 26 Feb 2003 4:09 am, A V Flinsch wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 09:35 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 09:04 pm, A V Flinsch wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 08:14 pm, Jerry Barton wrote: Found this interesting, thought I'd pass it on. (Is the future really now?) Jerry. Personally, I can't find it interesting, since I don't know where or what it is I think Jerry was referring to this http://newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/02/24/1717223 Interesting, but seems to be very little difference from my old Commodore 64 and OSI C1 days. My reaction was 'Didn't the ZX81 have that?' As one of the comments pointed out, it would tend towards proprietary standards too. And if we are talking flashing the bios to fix security issues I imagine that might have security issues of its own. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Opera7
Visited website Opera. But Opera7 download is only for Windows. When I go to Linux download icon, I can only download the 6.11 version. Or am I missing something? Thanx _ Valentijn bij MSN ! http://www.msn.be/valentijn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] urpmi updates
I have 2 systems with MDK9 installed. One is my workstation that has been running for a few months and urmpi/grpmi have contrib/updates/plf/unsupported sites listed and working just fine. Reading the man pages for urpmi it uses the /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg file as the configuration file of the sources. I copied that over to the new system that i am setting up and opened grpmi and all sources were there. The only problem is that contrib/updates/plf/unsupported sites were not enabled. So i enabled them and saved/quit. I then opened sources manager again to check to see if the enable took effect...NO it didnt. I then went to CLI and typed urpmi.update -a and it excluded the 4 sites again. Is there away that i can get them working and enabled? Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Opera7
I'm not sure this will answer your question. i'm not sure this is your question, But with Kmail you can import Outlook Express mail. File / Import. I didnt see anything about PST files. I have attachements on a lot of my emails. Maybe i will give this a try since it is just a copy/paste onto my samba drive. Thanks Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake so slow in a pentium 200
. There is no way you can run KDE 3.0 on 32MB of RAM - you need 128MB for even tolerable speeds, and 512MB would be necessary to give full performance. As a comparison, 32MB is barely enough to run Windows 98, and Mandrake 9.0 is not the equivalent of Win98, it's more like XP (except that it doesn't give the world access to your computer, and you don't have to sell your soul to install it). Sir Robin Oh contrare Sir Robin :) I have installed Md9 along with on a friends cyric 300Mhz 32mbRAM just fine. A little slow compared to windows but then what can you expect. Guess what, he also dual boot to Windows98 and that works perfectly. Maybe these larger chip sizes that companies keep telling us we MUST have make us forget how useful the older slower ones can still be! Andrew Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake so slow in a pentium 200
Well, the problem then seems to be low RAM. I'll try to buy some more and see what happens. I really thought that Linux+KDE wasn't so heavy, memory demanding. But as someone said, for low-end machines, text mode is the solution, and KDE equals to XP resource-wise. But the installation really need to last 4 hours? In text mode? It certainly doesn't do a mere copy from cd, maybe compile some things, I think. I would like to thank all that replied to my question, i really got surprised to get that much replies! Thanks. Rodolfo Lima. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] urpmi updates
Rob, You have to copy over the lists created for these sources on your system to the other server as well. I can't remember which directory it is, but search the archives as this has been asked before. (At work and Linux box at home) Tony. -Original Message- From: Robert Wideman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 9:53 AM To: Newbie Subject: [newbie] urpmi updates I have 2 systems with MDK9 installed. One is my workstation that has been running for a few months and urmpi/grpmi have contrib/updates/plf/unsupported sites listed and working just fine. Reading the man pages for urpmi it uses the /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg file as the configuration file of the sources. I copied that over to the new system that i am setting up and opened grpmi and all sources were there. The only problem is that contrib/updates/plf/unsupported sites were not enabled. So i enabled them and saved/quit. I then opened sources manager again to check to see if the enable took effect...NO it didnt. I then went to CLI and typed urpmi.update -a and it excluded the 4 sites again. Is there away that i can get them working and enabled? Rob -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either Tony S. Sykes or the postmaster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com http://www.bcpsoftware.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Opera7
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 February 2003 04:25 am, ivette brusselmans wrote: Visited website Opera. But Opera7 download is only for Windows. When I go to Linux download icon, I can only download the 6.11 version. Or am I missing something? Opera 7 for Linux is currently in beta, so it is not referenced on thier website. Someone gave a direct link the other day so you should check the archives. Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+XLSRGu5uuMFlL5MRAkI3AJ0c4Ccl7p0ol++0jzEf87HEk0Z9rACfcyhP 4sYou9OTa8g9LvY/8PRm0/I= =VWvI -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] urpmi updates
You have to copy over the lists created for these sources on your system to the other server as well. I can't remember which directory it is, but search the archives as this has been asked before. (At work and Linux box at home) Ah, no wonder. Thats ok. I installed the sources manually via urpmi.addmedia. Thanks Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ARTICLE: Operating Systems to become obsolete?
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 04:22 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 26 Feb 2003 4:09 am, A V Flinsch wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 09:35 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 09:04 pm, A V Flinsch wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 08:14 pm, Jerry Barton wrote: Found this interesting, thought I'd pass it on. (Is the future really now?) Jerry. Personally, I can't find it interesting, since I don't know where or what it is I think Jerry was referring to this http://newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/02/24/1717223 Interesting, but seems to be very little difference from my old Commodore 64 and OSI C1 days. My reaction was 'Didn't the ZX81 have that?' As one of the comments pointed out, it would tend towards proprietary standards too. And if we are talking flashing the bios to fix security issues I imagine that might have security issues of its own. Anne my first reaction was this yo-yo has no clue at all the very first line he says computer operating system as we know it today is as dead as the planetary transmission that drove the Model T Ford. A fact checker should have told him all current automatic transmissions are derived from that same planetary gear system, and it ain't an obsolete concept, the only thing obsolete about plantary gears tranmissions from model A Fords is the outside case, and that same style of case is still in use today. if he statrs out so very wrong and miss-informed about stuff he states as fact it the very first paragraph, why in the name of crap would I read on, or begin to think this guy has a clue about OSs. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Opera7
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 02:18:46AM -0600, Robert Wideman wrote: now, if only i can wean myself off Outlook Express for my email. I am with you on this one except i am using Outlook. I cant find any way to move data over. However i havent setup an IMAP server, then moved my email to that and then pull open evolution/sylpheed/etc and then pull it down. Any other thoughts on how to move from Outlook/Express to Linux email? I have tried Netscape/Mozilla but they dont allow exporting, GR. Rob Anders just asked this on the Sylpheed list. Here are a couple of links that were recommended. http://mbx2mbox.sourceforge.net/ mbx2mbox Converts Outlook .mbx and .dbx files into standard UUCP mailbox files. http://kmail.kde.org/tools.html Mail Import Tools HTH, Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Memory limit?
I stand corrected. I knew everyone would set me straight :-) Thanks to all who set me back on the path of righteousness! ;-) Terry Greg Meyer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 25 February 2003 02:50 pm, Terry Sheltra wrote: If I recall correctly, you need to purchase the server version of Mandrake. That version will allow memory to be used higher than 1 GB. Of course, if I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will be more than happy to set me straight. ;-) You are correct in that you need the kernel that was intended for servers, but this kernel is included in 9.0 download edition and teh package name if I recall is kernel-enterprise. - -- Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+W9yWGu5uuMFlL5MRAguKAJ0Sr6s+esnoPJmM36PlNRTY27AXdwCcD0m5 0rEcD7wQMcH0kYmnvzUtwSI= =cbcY -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Terry Sheltra PC Technician/Asst. Network Administrator University of Virginia School of Architecture 434.982.3047 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Registered Linux User #218330 This email was composed on a 100% Microsoft-free PC Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake so slow in a pentium 200
* Rodolfo Lima [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030226 08:24]: But the installation really need to last 4 hours? In text mode? It certainly doesn't do a mere copy from cd, maybe compile some things, I think. OK, try installing Win XP on a blank disk. Now install Office XP. Now imagine you have several CD's of commercial, shareware, and freeware to install, one-by-one. Most Windows users have never installed Windows. They may have the few little applications, Solitaire, Notepad, etc., that come with Windows, and maybe they go through the installation of MS Office. Then maybe they install two or three commercial applications, including things like Quicken or QuickBooks. Just those few things are going to take the better part of an hour, on a fairly fast machine ... much longer on a slower machine. Most people who install Mandrake 9 are installing HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of programs ... an entire computing system, not just an operating system. Not zero or one, but maybe two or three office suites, several email clients, lots of CHOICES, all for a very low price. On a fast machine ALL that can be done in less than an hour. Let me see anyone try it on Win XP. I bet it would take longer, and cost several thousand dollars in license fees ;-) -- Jan Wilson, SysAdmin _/*]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Corozal Junior College | |:' corozal.com corozal.bz Corozal Town, Belize | /' chetumal.com linux.bz Reg. Linux user #151611 |_/ Network, PHP, Perl, HTML Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Telnet
On Tuesday 25 February 2003 17:30, Raffaele Belardi wrote: Raffaele when i run tail -f on /var/log/messages i get the following Feb 26 13:35:38 katz xinetd[18006]: socket creation failed (Address family not supported by protocol (errno = 97)). service = telnet any idea? Gil Gil, you should provide more details in your message for us to be helpful! A cut and paste of the output of shell commands, in particular, could help understand what's going on on your machine. Does ping 127.0.0.1 work? You should see something like 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1:... repeated on the screen until you press CTRL-C. Understand that telnet is composed by a client (invoked as # telnet) and a server (named telnetd, note the final 'd'). Normally the server is _not_ installed by default. On MDK9.0 the server package is named telnet-server-krb5-1.2.5-1mdk To make sure the server is installed, type # urpmi telnet-server-krb5 You should get a message like everything already installed. I installed the telnet server on my MDK to check. First of all, it's a xinetd service, so it will not normally be shown by ps (I was wrong on this regard in my previous message). xinetd is a daemon that monitors the incoming calls on all ports and starts the registered services on request. So, try this: # service xinetd start Do you get an OK? To double check, type # ps -ax | grep xinetd you should see two lines. Then, go to /etc/xinetd.d and do an ls. Do you see there a file named telnet? This is the telnet server configuration file read by xinetd daemon when it detects an incoming request on the telnet port. Open it with a text editor and check that it contains the line disable = no (it means that the telnet server is enabled). Finally, open /etc/xinetd.conf and check that it _does_not_ contain any only_from lines. If it does, delete them. There's not much more to telnetd configuration. good luck, raffaele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 09:36, Raffaele Belardi wrote: Raffaele it seems that i can't start telnet service when i do service telnet start i get ok but in mcc the status is stop hosts.allow and hosts.deney are empty. Gil I would: 1. make sure interface is up (ping 127.0.0.1) 2. make sure you have the telnet server package installed (Mandrake Control Center) 3. make sure telenet server is up and running (ps -axl) 4. check /etc/xinetd.conf for any ONLY_FROM lines 5. check that /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny are empty The last two are the least probable causes, unless you have messed up with the security scripts. What level of security are you running? raffaele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 24 February 2003 11:33, Raffaele Belardi wrote: Didn't work any other idea's? Gil Assuming that you have the telnet server installed, you need to start it (Mandrake Control Center, System tab, Services icon). Also, I had a similar problem on the MDK PC I use at home, where I have a modem Internet connection. I looks like if you don't connect to internet, loopback port is not enabled by default, so you get the error below. I had to issue a # ifup lo as root, then it worked ok. raffaele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi when ever i try to connect to telnet 127.0.0.1 port i get Trying 127.0.0.1... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused in /etc/hosts.allow i wrote telnet : 127.0.0.1 what should i do? Gil -- -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- = So long, And thanks for all the fish. = Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake so slow in a pentium 200
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 08:46 am, Jan Wilson wrote: * Rodolfo Lima [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030226 08:24]: But the installation really need to last 4 hours? In text mode? It certainly doesn't do a mere copy from cd, maybe compile some things, I think. OK, try installing Win XP on a blank disk. Now install Office XP. Now imagine you have several CD's of commercial, shareware, and freeware to install, one-by-one. Most Windows users have never installed Windows. They may have the few little applications, Solitaire, Notepad, etc., that come with Windows, and maybe they go through the installation of MS Office. Then maybe they install two or three commercial applications, including things like Quicken or QuickBooks. Just those few things are going to take the better part of an hour, on a fairly fast machine ... much longer on a slower machine. Most people who install Mandrake 9 are installing HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of programs ... an entire computing system, not just an operating system. Not zero or one, but maybe two or three office suites, several email clients, lots of CHOICES, all for a very low price. On a fast machine ALL that can be done in less than an hour. Let me see anyone try it on Win XP. I bet it would take longer, and cost several thousand dollars in license fees ;-) My experience ended with WIN98 sec addition. Just the MS98 install alone took longer than the Mandrake 8.0 complete. After the MS98 install it was another Hour and a half installing Office 98 and all the peripheral drivers and tax software. I have seen them install XP using Ghost at work on machines about as fast as mine here at home and Jan is correct it is no faster than a complete ML9.0 install. Linux is markedly faster. -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Memory limit?
On Tuesday February 25 2003 06:43 pm, Seedkum Aladeem wrote: Pretty soon all the PCs and laptops will need to have more than 1GB of RAM. What is happening here is probably an early signal for the kernel developers to revamp memory management. Seedkum The linux-kernel people are constantly 'revamping' the kernel. But in order to address memory over about 900 MB's, with a 32 bit system, there's a substantial performance hit to be paid. Solution is to provide a 'desktop' kernel, so that those systems don't suffer the performance hit. While there's already 64 bit production machines, that use gigs of ram, there's also already Linux performance optimized kernels for them. IIRC, the kernels were ready before the systems were. OTOH, before you'll see 64 bit desktops systems, 512 mb of ram will still be overkill. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] installing a new icon set
When I click on the small folder button I don't know how to get all the icons at once, just one at a time. Thanks in advance. Icons need to be packaged in a tar.gz file: this is the file that you have to address in the browse menu. If you go to themes.kde.org you'll download icons sets as tar.gz files. I hope this helps. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hams on the list
Another here - G3XOF. 73 and 88 Alan -- Alan Dunford, Derby, England [EMAIL PROTECTED] web page: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/adunford Coming to you from a Microsoft-free zone Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] installing a new icon set
Did you unzip the tar file with the icons? If so, that could be the problem. Point to the entire tar file, and it should install all of the icons. HTH, Terry Josenildo Marques wrote: I have tried it unsuccessfully, following the 'rules' How to install an new icon theme # Open the KDE-Menu an start the Control Center # Click on Look and Feel and Icons # Browse to the location of the new icon theme by clicking the small folder button # Click on Install New Theme to add the new icons # Click Apply When I click on the small folder button I don't know how to get all the icons at once, just one at a time. Thanks in advance. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Terry Sheltra PC Technician/Asst. Network Administrator University of Virginia School of Architecture 434.982.3047 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Registered Linux User #218330 This email was composed on a 100% Microsoft-free PC Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT- Mandrake OT list
On Tuesday 25 February 2003 11:03 pm, David McGlone wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I noticed a lot of people want to have OT discussions, so I created a mailing list for off topic discussions for anyone here to join. if you would like to join here is the URL: http://www.edificationweb.com/lists.html Hope to see everyone soon - -- David M. Edification Web Solutions http://www.edificationweb.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+XDx/AulWMV3BRjARAvuDAKCwCPieXlkJH6J3+agnMmpEl0PXFgCfVLY3 Jn7CzTF9kHss6q1we+IJXMA= =lDGU -END PGP SIGNATURE- hey dave, we already got one [EMAIL PROTECTED], come join... maybe we will move to your server if you give us a better deal, as it is we get free beer... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT- Mandrake OT list
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 23:03:11 -0500 David McGlone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - -- David M. Edification Web Solutions http://www.edificationweb.com Favor David, please. Change your signature separator to -- rather than - --, to enable mail clients to treat it as a signature Thanks Charles -- In a gathering of two or more people, when a lighted cigarette is placed in an ashtray, the smoke will waft into the face of the non-smoker. - Mandrake Linux 9.1 on PurpleDragon Kernel- 2.4.21pre4-10mdk - pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[newbie] OpenOffice: hyperlinks
Hi all, Can someone point me to the setting where I can tell OpenOffice NOT to hyperlink every abbreviation I type? When I type 'e.e.a.' (for instance) it is turned into a hyperlink to http://e.e.a./ automatically, while I don't want that. Thanks! Paul -- I have already told you more than I know. http://nlpagan.net - Linux by Mandrake - Sylpheed by Hiro Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Hams on the list
Me too ZL1BVJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Márkus Béla Sent: Tuesday, 25 February 2003 11:57 p.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Hams on the list Hi Guys, one more. 73/DX de HA5DI, Béla Chris Slater-Walker wrote: Chris M0BOP73On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Keith Powell wrote: On Monday 24 Feb 2003 8:16 pm, Marc Oestreicher wrote: Big snip Also BTW Dan your email address looks like a ham call Great to seeanother amature radio fan on the list. I wonder how many more hams arehere. Enjoy Marc KM5KW Add me to the list!Cheers (or should I say 73)KeithG4JVX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OpenOffice: hyperlinks
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 19:48, Paul wrote: Hi all, Can someone point me to the setting where I can tell OpenOffice NOT to hyperlink every abbreviation I type? When I type 'e.e.a.' (for instance) it is turned into a hyperlink to http://e.e.a./ automatically, while I don't want that. Thanks! Paul Choose Tools - AutoCorrect/AutoFormat - Options tab b. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hams on the list
On Wednesday 26 Feb 2003 19:12, Alan Dunford wrote: And Me G6DZJ Another here - G3XOF. 73 and 88 Alan -- O o _\_ o \\/ o\ . //\___= '' Wed, 26 Feb 2003 20:29:50 + 8:29pm up 11:56, 0 users, load average: 2.35, 2.11, 2.08 Danger, you haven't seen the last of me! No, but the first of you turns my stomach! -- The Firesign Theatre's Nick Danger Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT- Mandrake OT list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 February 2003 02:57 pm, Charles A Edwards wrote: On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 23:03:11 -0500 David McGlone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - -- David M. Edification Web Solutions http://www.edificationweb.com Favor David, please. Change your signature separator to -- rather than - --, to enable mail clients to treat it as a signature That was an accident from cut and paste, sorry about that. - -- David M. Edification Web Solutions http://www.edificationweb.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+XSX9AulWMV3BRjARAqBtAJ0dQzs9dSyRpTH5r3GrmbgO4Rr1bACgtuvb JHniasWSoKzJTJec9uptXCA= =JPvC -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT- Mandrake OT list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 February 2003 02:38 pm, et wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 11:03 pm, David McGlone wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I noticed a lot of people want to have OT discussions, so I created a mailing list for off topic discussions for anyone here to join. if you would like to join here is the URL: http://www.edificationweb.com/lists.html Hope to see everyone soon hey dave, we already got one [EMAIL PROTECTED], come join... maybe we will move to your server if you give us a better deal, as it is we get free beer... Does Free Beer and having the list on my server FREE! sound appealing? If free isn't a better deal, then I don't know what would be. - -- David M. Edification Web Solutions http://www.edificationweb.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+XSbyAulWMV3BRjARAjhbAJ4rU98BYO1TnNF3l/qoEoAg7ZrjcgCcDcIZ mk3cz/VfEOgT9kGEhd0NsRc= =Hb2g -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT- Mandrake OT list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 February 2003 02:38 pm, et wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 11:03 pm, David McGlone wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- hey dave, we already got one [EMAIL PROTECTED], come join... maybe we will move to your server if you give us a better deal, as it is we get free beer... 2 messages sent, 1 with subscribe in the subject and on with it in the body, and nothing received to confirm. Hmmm. - -- David M. Edification Web Solutions http://www.edificationweb.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+XSqnAulWMV3BRjARAqJbAJsEpf1Z+w1qo+RMPZeJ4aeuxeG7RQCghI7I dxgkcxGMTW7L07Lb/epuBJs= =dL/2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Memory limit?
On Wednesday February 26 2003 11:23 am, Seedkum Aladeem wrote: While there's already 64 bit production machines, that use gigs of ram, there's also already Linux performance optimized kernels for them. IIRC, the kernels were ready before the systems were. OTOH, before you'll see 64 bit desktops systems, 512 mb of ram will still be overkill. Thanx Tom, This suggests that the performance penalty is brought about because of hardware limitations (i.e. CPU architecture) and not artificially introduced by sloppy memory management software. This suggests that some register somewhere in the CPU is not full 32 bits long. I thought 32 bits of address give 4G of address space and not 1G. Maybe AMD should make 32 bit CPUs address the full 4G before going to 64 bit CPUs. Seedkum Well, you're straining the limits of my ability to explain it further ... mainly cause I dunno either ;) I will say it's not so much hardware limitations (i.e. CPU architecture), but has more to do with mathematics... in the realm of hexadecimal numbers, and 2's complements, 32 things taken so many ways (permutations and combinations). It's only been a few years since the 'other OS' even graduated from 16 bit computing, and as I understand M$ isn't there yet. Mostly due to tryin to support legacy applications. Linux has always been capable and willin to re-write software. There's been proprietary UN*X OS's and applications that have long been 64 bit capable. Hardware design isn't the big problem, user non-acceptance of change, and willing acceptance of hardware is probly the bigger factor. Many might remember the 2000 hoopla that all computers would start messin up due to not bein able to recognize the difference between 1900 and 2000 dates. My brief self taught foray into programming (C, C++) at least aquainted me with the fact that dates were stored as code numbers (even on M$/DOS OS's) and the real limitation was around 2037 when 32 bit systems would barf on higher numbers than 32 bit can address. The 32 bit mathematical limit just runs out of possible numbers in row and column (matrix) addressing. Same goes for memory arrays (ram), altho there are some kludges that can be employed to get 32 bit kernels further. BUT, that's where the performance hit comes in. So, at least in my understanding, it's not an OS or user accepted hardware limit, as much as it's just the axioms of mathematics at base 16 (hexidecimal), 2's compliment, with just 32 bits to work with. BTW, I believe filesystems are also governed by the same mathematical laws and bits ;) I'm mostly doin some educated guessing about all the above, Civileme, Juan, Warly, or Todd probly knows. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] P133 with Mdk9.0 as a router
On Wednesday 26 Feb 2003 6:14 pm, civileme wrote: On Wednesday 26 February 2003 08:43 am, Luke Stutters wrote: Hi all - first post here. I'm in the process of installing Mandrake 9.0 on a P133, 64MB machine with the intent of using it as a IP-masquerading box. This would mean my other boxes could use broadband (512 k) independently over a LAN. Is this feasible? Any advice would be great. Works--I use a PPRo 200 as a router/firewall running 9.0 Caution is advised--if you are using pppoe-ADSL, then make sure you follow the steps for install that I gave a customer on MandrakeExpert incident #49370, else hand-configure it. The MCC script for ADSL-pppoe is seriously flawed. Thanks for the tips! I've managed to install 9.0 on the box, but I'm having a little difficulty with its ISA ethernet card. It's an old GE2000III(?) with a chip on it labelled as K1306023. After a bit of Googling, I got it working with the ne.o drivers with io=0x300 and irq=5. However, although both lights (orange and green) are on at the back of the card, and there's a single green light on my hub for the machine, I can't ping any other machines on my home network. I know the network cable is working, so I assume there's something up with the way the card is configured. Does anyone have any experience with this kind of fault? Does it matter that the 'speed' light is not lit on the hub for this machine? Many thanks, __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Memory limit?
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 01:31 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Wednesday February 26 2003 11:23 am, Seedkum Aladeem wrote: While there's already 64 bit production machines, that use gigs of ram, there's also already Linux performance optimized kernels for them. IIRC, the kernels were ready before the systems were. OTOH, before you'll see 64 bit desktops systems, 512 mb of ram will still be overkill. Thanx Tom, This suggests that the performance penalty is brought about because of hardware limitations (i.e. CPU architecture) and not artificially introduced by sloppy memory management software. This suggests that some register somewhere in the CPU is not full 32 bits long. I thought 32 bits of address give 4G of address space and not 1G. Maybe AMD should make 32 bit CPUs address the full 4G before going to 64 bit CPUs. Seedkum Well, you're straining the limits of my ability to explain it further ... mainly cause I dunno either ;) I will say it's not so much hardware limitations (i.e. CPU architecture), but has more to do with mathematics... in the realm of hexadecimal numbers, and 2's complements, 32 things taken so many ways (permutations and combinations). It's only been a few years since the 'other OS' even graduated from 16 bit computing, and as I understand M$ isn't there yet. Mostly due to tryin to support legacy applications. Linux has always been capable and willin to re-write software. There's been proprietary UN*X OS's and applications that have long been 64 bit capable. Hardware design isn't the big problem, user non-acceptance of change, and willing acceptance of hardware is probly the bigger factor. Many might remember the 2000 hoopla that all computers would start messin up due to not bein able to recognize the difference between 1900 and 2000 dates. My brief self taught foray into programming (C, C++) at least aquainted me with the fact that dates were stored as code numbers (even on M$/DOS OS's) and the real limitation was around 2037 when 32 bit systems would barf on higher numbers than 32 bit can address. The 32 bit mathematical limit just runs out of possible numbers in row and column (matrix) addressing. Same goes for memory arrays (ram), altho there are some kludges that can be employed to get 32 bit kernels further. BUT, that's where the performance hit comes in. So, at least in my understanding, it's not an OS or user accepted hardware limit, as much as it's just the axioms of mathematics at base 16 (hexidecimal), 2's compliment, with just 32 bits to work with. BTW, I believe filesystems are also governed by the same mathematical laws and bits ;) I'm mostly doin some educated guessing about all the above, Civileme, Juan, Warly, or Todd probly knows. Yep 1G requires 30 bits (plus a sign bit) to address properly.. since address arithmetic should be unsigned, this represents the easiest way to implement address arithmetic using 32-bit signed arithmetic registers. 2G is as high as one is likely to go with 32-bit addressing using signed arithmetic in the registers, unsigned comes extra, unless the hardware also supports unsigned arithmetic (the C compiler supports unsigned arith whether the architecture does or not, which means subroutines to add subtract multiply and divide unsigned 32 bit numbers if the architecture does not offer such arithmetic) C compilers have target memory models as well, so that the compile is efficient for the expected runtime environment. This is where the sizing of 32-bit CPU kernels comes into play as well as the optimizations of the kernel itself. Now the more recent Windows systems supposedly support a file size of 2 Terabytes... I think that is 2 to the power 41 bytes which indicates a 41 bit address if unsigned and 42 if signed. 64-bit linices generally address either 8 or 16 exabytes (2 to the power 63 or 64 bytes), and file sizes are at least that large, potentially. One compiler, xbasic, which works on any 386 using windows or linux with X, actually offers a 64bit signed fixed-point data type. Some interpreters offer arbitrary number sizes in fixed point (like the Python BIG=1L). Limits are limits only because there are performance hits associated with size, given the architectures available. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT- Mandrake OT list
On Wednesday February 26 2003 02:43 pm, David McGlone wrote: Does Free Beer and having the list on my server FREE! sound appealing? If free isn't a better deal, then I don't know what would be. - -- David M. Edification Web Solutions http://www.edificationweb.com Only if you're willin to fully support this application for all users, without need to be root, tom$ man uubp NAME uubp - Unix-to-Unix beer protocol SYNOPSIS uubp [-acefghlqy] site DESCRIPTION Uubp allows the user to transfer beer, ale, or other fermented grain beverages between network sites. Using TCP/IP (telecommunication protocol for imbibing pilsners), uubp encodes beer from a local file system into packets suitable for FTP (fermentation transfer protocol) delivery at a remote IP site. snip the rest, including examples ; -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Memory limit?
Fred Schroeder wrote: Thanks for all of the replys, guess I will try to roll my own, sure hope I don't screw this up!! you will seldom screw up if you always back up before you install or modify anything that is working. 'things' will screw up enough on their own. peace out. tc,hago. g . -- think green... save a tree, save a life, save time, save bandwidth, save storage. send email... text/plain - disable pgp/gpg/geek code attachments =+= if you are proud to be an american, then buy made in america. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Memory limit?
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 03:33 pm, civileme wrote: On Wednesday 26 February 2003 01:31 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Wednesday February 26 2003 11:23 am, Seedkum Aladeem wrote: While there's already 64 bit production machines, that use gigs of ram, there's also already Linux performance optimized [Deleted] just 32 bits to work with. BTW, I believe filesystems are also governed by the same mathematical laws and bits ;) I'm mostly doin some educated guessing about all the above, Civileme, Juan, Warly, or Todd probly knows. Yep 1G requires 30 bits (plus a sign bit) to address properly.. since address arithmetic should be unsigned, this represents the easiest way to implement address arithmetic using 32-bit signed arithmetic registers. 2G is as high as one is likely to go with 32-bit addressing using signed arithmetic in the registers, unsigned comes extra, unless the hardware also supports unsigned arithmetic (the C compiler supports unsigned arith whether the architecture does or not, which means subroutines to add subtract multiply and divide unsigned 32 bit numbers if the architecture does not offer such arithmetic) C compilers have target memory models as well, so that the compile is efficient for the expected runtime environment. This is where the sizing of 32-bit CPU kernels comes into play as well as the optimizations of the kernel itself. Now the more recent Windows systems supposedly support a file size of 2 Terabytes... I think that is 2 to the power 41 bytes which indicates a 41 bit address if unsigned and 42 if signed. 64-bit linices generally address either 8 or 16 exabytes (2 to the power 63 or 64 bytes), and file sizes are at least that large, potentially. One compiler, xbasic, which works on any 386 using windows or linux with X, actually offers a 64bit signed fixed-point data type. Some interpreters offer arbitrary number sizes in fixed point (like the Python BIG=1L). Limits are limits only because there are performance hits associated with size, given the architectures available. Civileme As suspected, the memory management performance penalty is due to architectural limitations and not sloppy software. Because the registers used for address employ signed ariithmetic, using more higher order bits or increasing the size of the registers would introduce compatibility issues. AMD will not do that. Seedkum Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] P133 with Mdk9.0 as a router
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 02:15 pm, Luke Stutters wrote: On Wednesday 26 Feb 2003 6:14 pm, civileme wrote: On Wednesday 26 February 2003 08:43 am, Luke Stutters wrote: Hi all - first post here. I'm in the process of installing Mandrake 9.0 on a P133, 64MB machine with the intent of using it as a IP-masquerading box. This would mean my other boxes could use broadband (512 k) independently over a LAN. Is this feasible? Any advice would be great. Works--I use a PPRo 200 as a router/firewall running 9.0 Caution is advised--if you are using pppoe-ADSL, then make sure you follow the steps for install that I gave a customer on MandrakeExpert incident #49370, else hand-configure it. The MCC script for ADSL-pppoe is seriously flawed. Thanks for the tips! I've managed to install 9.0 on the box, but I'm having a little difficulty with its ISA ethernet card. It's an old GE2000III(?) with a chip on it labelled as K1306023. After a bit of Googling, I got it working with the ne.o drivers with io=0x300 and irq=5. However, although both lights (orange and green) are on at the back of the card, and there's a single green light on my hub for the machine, I can't ping any other machines on my home network. I know the network cable is working, so I assume there's something up with the way the card is configured. Does anyone have any experience with this kind of fault? Does it matter that the 'speed' light is not lit on the hub for this machine? Many thanks, __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com That is an old 10M card, so the speed light will NOT be lit. Still you may want to post the contents of /etc/modules.conf and /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth* Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT- Mandrake OT list
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 06:57 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Wednesday February 26 2003 02:43 pm, David McGlone wrote: Does Free Beer and having the list on my server FREE! sound appealing? If free isn't a better deal, then I don't know what would be. - -- David M. Edification Web Solutions http://www.edificationweb.com Only if you're willin to fully support this application for all users, without need to be root, tom$ man uubp NAME uubp - Unix-to-Unix beer protocol SYNOPSIS uubp [-acefghlqy] site DESCRIPTION Uubp allows the user to transfer beer, ale, or other fermented grain beverages between network sites. Using TCP/IP (telecommunication protocol for imbibing pilsners), uubp encodes beer from a local file system into packets suitable for FTP (fermentation transfer protocol) delivery at a remote IP site. snip the rest, including examples ; Tom: Easy for you broadband types to say, but how effective is it on plain old dialup? (I guess we're talking pph -- pints per hour -- rather than kbs). And since when is free beer OT? Maybe for those wine sipping Mac types, but Linux comes from a strong beer drinking tradition going back to Linus himself. And I've read that some of the UK LUG's have their meetings in pubs. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] trouble with sis900 onboard ethernet
Greetings, I am trying to get my SiS900 10/100 onboard ethernet to work with ML 9.0. I came across a howto at http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/K7s5a-HOWTO and typed 'dmesg | less' as they suggested. I get three lines for eth0 as follows: eth0: Unknown PHY transceiver found at address 1. eth0: Using transceiver found at address 1 as default eth0: SiS 900 PCI Fast Ethernet at 0xdc00, IRQ 11, 00:0a:e6:4d:21:62 My question is this. If the PHY transceiver is unknown (I assume this is the network chip) then how can ML identify it two lines later? The howto also states that I can add sis900.o to etc/modules if everything goes ok. When I look at etc/modules the only item in there is scsi_hostadapter. I suppose the short question is really do I have a good chip on this mb or not? tia R - Richard L. Babcock, Owner Tower Training At Tower Training, We Bring the Classroom to You! www.towertraining.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] boot messages
How can I see the boot messages? There seems to be something wrong and I want to check it. Thanks. JM -- Are we speachin d'anglas landadge or are you sprakin sea Djoytsch? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] help!!! ftp server troubles
i am tring to set up a ftp server for a friend to keek stuff on my computer and he wonts his folder user name / password protected IE..he wonts a user name and a password for his stuff on my computer i am using mandrake 9.0 with pro ftp i have the newest vet of webmin and...i have verry little exp with this setting up user/password anywhere even with apache ...but thats another story ill get to that later lol o and BTW he wonts to use his browser not a ftp client to log on my computer IE url would beftp://...xxx then he would type a user name and a password in a pop up box any help would be greatly apreacated Thank You David Jones Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Cervisia
Thank you Sharrea for your help on my kdeinint problem, it works beautifully now. I also have something in my Preference Order called Cervisia. Just wondering if anyone knows what this is? R - Richard L. Babcock, Owner Tower Training At Tower Training, We Bring the Classroom to You! www.towertraining.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] boot messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 February 2003 10:04 am, Josenildo Marques wrote: How can I see the boot messages? There seems to be something wrong and I want to check it. You can type dmesg and see if any errors are in there, along with examining /var/log/messages. - -- Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+XYeDGu5uuMFlL5MRApsEAJ91tqORR3DHHW0HL4cMpyJDeMri1ACcD8zI opD3mVZBLgQQY75g8ojIzrU= =flk/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] trouble with sis900 onboard ethernet
Hi Richard, I have the same board k7s5a with onboard sound and network. I have MDK8.2 installed and it configured my nic on install but I had troubles with sound. Thanks! to your link I'm going to attempt to get my sound working again. Anyways I'm a newbie so can't help much but heres some info from my system. Also all I have in my /etc/modules is the same as you scsi_hostadapter, but did notice the nic was in my /etc/modules.conf as below shows.I did notice that the HOWTO's and mine were IRQ 5 and your dmesg say's IRQ 11 I'm not sure if that makes a difference as long as there is not a conflict somewhere. (This is from dmesg) is900.c: v1.08.02 11/30/2001 PCI: Assigned IRQ 5 for device 00:03.0 eth0: Realtek RTL8201 PHY transceiver found at address 1. eth0: Using transceiver found at address 1 as default eth0: SiS 900 PCI Fast Ethernet at 0xdc00, IRQ 5, 00:07:95:27:f8:d4. (Further down in dmesg) eth0: Media Link On 10mbps half-duplex (This is what Harddrake shows) Vendor: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Model: SiS900 10/100 Ethernet Kernel Module: sis900 Bus Type: PCI (This is what ethtool shows) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mike]# ethtool -i eth0 driver: sis900 version: v1.08.02 11/30/2001 firmware-version: bus-info: 00:03.0 (This is what is in my /etc/modules.config) alias eth0 sis900 Mike On Wednesday 26 February 2003 07:50 pm, you wrote: Greetings, I am trying to get my SiS900 10/100 onboard ethernet to work with ML 9.0. I came across a howto at http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/K7s5a-HOWTO and typed 'dmesg | less' as they suggested. I get three lines for eth0 as follows: eth0: Unknown PHY transceiver found at address 1. eth0: Using transceiver found at address 1 as default eth0: SiS 900 PCI Fast Ethernet at 0xdc00, IRQ 11, 00:0a:e6:4d:21:62 My question is this. If the PHY transceiver is unknown (I assume this is the network chip) then how can ML identify it two lines later? The howto also states that I can add sis900.o to etc/modules if everything goes ok. When I look at etc/modules the only item in there is scsi_hostadapter. I suppose the short question is really do I have a good chip on this mb or not? tia R - Richard L. Babcock, Owner Tower Training At Tower Training, We Bring the Classroom to You! www.towertraining.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] kde help
a few days ago i was having trouble adding fluxbox to my window manager list in kdm. i decided to go ahead and upgrade to kde 3.1. now fluxbox is added to my list but there are too additional problems. for some reason i cannot get the new kdm to boot kde, but kde works fine when i run startx from from console. also i need to figure out how to add all of the applications from kde 3.0 menu to 3.1's. i'm hoping to find a better way than adding everything with the kde menu editor tool individually because it would be much simpler to just cut and paste from one file to another and because i don't want to search for the paths for everything. thanks in advance for any help _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Backup to CD-R/RW
Hi Is there some sort of backup/restore utility that I can use to make backups using the CD-R on my machines? CD-R's cost about a dime each these days. That price makes that media much more attractive than investing in a big tape drive and tapes.. I've got 5 machines on my little network. Each has a 20 gig HD (or less). How about another machine with a couple 50 gig drives that would be used just for backing up the others? That would cost about as much as the tape drives and tapes. Another strategy you'd care to suggest? Thanks a bunch Harv Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] P133 with Mdk9.0 as a router
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 05:15 pm, Luke Stutters wrote: On Wednesday 26 Feb 2003 6:14 pm, civileme wrote: On Wednesday 26 February 2003 08:43 am, Luke Stutters wrote: Hi all - first post here. I'm in the process of installing Mandrake 9.0 on a P133, 64MB machine with the intent of using it as a IP-masquerading box. This would mean my other boxes could use broadband (512 k) independently over a LAN. Is this feasible? Any advice would be great. Works--I use a PPRo 200 as a router/firewall running 9.0 Caution is advised--if you are using pppoe-ADSL, then make sure you follow the steps for install that I gave a customer on MandrakeExpert incident #49370, else hand-configure it. The MCC script for ADSL-pppoe is seriously flawed. Thanks for the tips! I've managed to install 9.0 on the box, but I'm having a little difficulty with its ISA ethernet card. It's an old GE2000III(?) with a chip on it labelled as K1306023. After a bit of Googling, I got it working with the ne.o drivers with io=0x300 and irq=5. However, although both lights (orange and green) are on at the back of the card, and there's a single green light on my hub for the machine, I can't ping any other machines on my home network. I know the network cable is working, so I assume there's something up with the way the card is configured. Does anyone have any experience with this kind of fault? Does it matter that the 'speed' light is not lit on the hub for this machine? Many thanks, __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com Hi Luke, with 9.0 install you might want to check your iptables, especially if you installed shorewall or it installed as default. I know, anyone who can get 9.0 on a P133 probably knows this, but I have had to configure shorewall with MCC on every install or it won't let anything out or in. I don't know the exact settings that work the magic cause I always go and change a few defaults and then internet connection and lan are functioning. If you are using text only someone else will need to jump in here. Hey, Civileme nice to see you back on the newbie circuit helping out us perenial dummies. : ) HTH -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Backup to CD-R/RW
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 09:12 pm, Harv Nelson wrote: Hi Is there some sort of backup/restore utility that I can use to make backups using the CD-R on my machines? CD-R's cost about a dime each these days. That price makes that media much more attractive than investing in a big tape drive and tapes.. I've got 5 machines on my little network. Each has a 20 gig HD (or less). How about another machine with a couple 50 gig drives that would be used just for backing up the others? That would cost about as much as the tape drives and tapes. Another strategy you'd care to suggest? Thanks a bunch Harv drakbackup, backuponcd and scdbackup are either in the distro or easily locatable by google search on name. As for the extra comp as a backup fileserver, activate linux on each of your systems and run webmin, then log in from the big fileserver and create cron jobs to cp vital files over once a day or so--the cp is possible since you will share out the directory for storage via either Samba/lisa or NFS so that the drives on the fileserver appear on all the computers make sure it is a copy and that people don't start storing things ONLY on the fileserver. Yes that is workable with only a couple of lines of command stored in a file made executable and run by cron on each of the local machines. I maintained backup data on 16 machines the same way when Mandrake 6.1 was hot stuff. If you do opt for tape, figure a full investment--that is that you keep the tapes rotated and aged and clean, and you test the integrity of the copy. Disasters lurk for fools like me who don't do that when using tape--I lost six years of work. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
